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appeared okay I'm I'm talking to see if
Natalie who's going back to her desk to
make sure that those who are watching
bya YouTube can actually hear
us this is very similar to what I had to
do at the last meeting where I'm just
talking into the
microphone sounds
horrible okay thanks Natalie
okay three two
one turn on Let Us call the Wednesday
March 20th 2024 meeting of the Bexley
tree and public gardens commission to
order and call the role Mary mcmun here
szan quintens here Sheila strob here
Dave Wakeman is absent Celeste Williams
Jim Wilson here Linda znik is out of
town we have a quorum we'll check on our
alternates Barb Giller is out of town
Larry helman's unavailable and Ellen
Bowen ex officio is not with us so for
our staff Ellena Andrews here Spencer
Martin here um Andy basore Jordan
cavalero Troy Markham
here um Monette Freelander is out and
the mayor is not with us today I I don't
think that he's planning on attending am
I correct about that
Elena all right good so on we go we have
a quorum so I'm looking for approval of
the minutes of February 21st
2024 so second is there any discussion
uh I was not at the February meeting and
I'm shown as being on there as you're in
spirit yes in spirit you're everywhere
Mary all the time here we go were there
other Corrections beside your
attendance no no other Corrections Jim
okay okay so may we uh amend the motion
I move to approve with the correction
that Mary's absence beinged with regret
with regret is there a second second is
there in discussion
motions made and seconded that we
approve the minutes of February 21st
2024 as sent with the exception of
noting that Mary mcmun was absent all
those in favor say I I I all those
oppose same sign motion carries uh do we
have any additions to the
agenda no additions let's go on to
announcements small victories and
comments um again I want to extol the
tremendous success of the rooted and
Bexley lecture series
um last week Mary um hosted or roted and
Bexley hosted uh Rick dark there were
about a hundred people at the bexy
library Auditorium and about 75 online
and I thought he gave a great balanced
informational tretis he was on he was
talking for I don't know 120 Minutes 148
I think it was 148 minutes and he never
ran out of things to say so Mary did you
have any takeaways from his performance
let's say and his lecture and his
presentation and his wisdom um well I
think there were a lot of Rick dark
groupies there and that was really fun
to see and they all had their books and
um you know what was nice about it was
the fact that so many um come from other
areas of the county and we had some in
from Lima and Granville and they come to
Bexley and they have lunch and then they
come to our library and so it's just a
nice experience for them and it's
positive obviously for the uh rooted
Bexley group so um Rick's message was
good he's he is not quite as extreme if
you will in regards to planting of
natives which he doesn't even use the
term native he uses
indigenous and he believes in mixed
which is interesting and um but he takes
great photographs he's done a lot of
really interesting work he helped with
the Highline in New York and um oh well
he was at Longwood Gardens for 20 years
and he he's he's extremely knowledgeable
and he's really interesting so it was a
great learning experience right yeah so
good good attendance that the first two
when Ellena was the kind of the MC this
one and then the last one will be April
10th in Bexley and it's the a
photographers uh Diane cook and Len
gentel who are National Geographic
photographers and who are showing images
about wise trees and then also sort of
transitioning to their new book which is
going to be on Forest
Force are kind of a thing right now so
and we do have one more on Friday April
the 12th Dr um Nicole Cavender who's the
currently C Cavender Cavender okay yeah
she's the uh director of the botanical
gardens out at um the Huntington in
Pasadena and um she grew up in Ohio
Southeastern Ohio she's going to talk
about her life down there and her um
eventual uh work at the wilds and then
from there she went to Morton our
and now like I said she's out in
California so she'll be in on Friday the
12th down or yeah the 12th down at the
gra aabon Center um and a lot of the um
state and federal um naturalists know
her and I'm hoping a lot of them come
down and support the program so if
you're available come and see us all
free all free and open to the public yes
only uh Mary's uh Blood Sweat and Tears
that has been a cost so any other any
other announcements or SW victories or
should we have our professor Markham
tutorial for those of you in the
audience Troy Markham is the immediate
past president of city council he's um a
educator plant pathologist and at the
moment he is overseeing interns in the
I'm the political science department
right I'm just into a little bit of
everything master of all subject and
he's a great reader so Professor margam
why don't you tell us a little bit about
today's tutorial can you bring that up
on the screen I know there should oh you
do have it oh
good yeah I found a it just found a
little cartoon for us here uh you know
my first job even just before I got into
Graduate School uh at Ohio State was
working in the plant and pest Diagnostic
Clinic there I don't know if any of you
had any experience with it but uh people
from anywhere in Ohio could send in or
the anywhere I suppose their plants and
have it diagnosed like either identified
or diagnosed with the problem that's
having and so it was very fun it was
like a uh I became a plant pathologist
that way by like getting these little uh
Mysteries you know or whatever and it
would be like a murder mystery you'd
have to figure out what is causing the
problem with the plant and we would run
tests and everything like that so I just
thought uh maybe it'd be kind of fun
just to spend a couple minutes talking
about
diseases and uh I know we have a focus
on plant diseases right here I have all
the different four agents of human
diseases or animals because we are
animals and that is viruses bacteria
fungi and
protozoa uh protozoa are like um complex
one- celled organisms like you know
amoeba paramia things like that bacteria
of course are very s simple uh single
cell organisms um but all of these cause
diseases in humans
and I just thought uh can you tell me
which of them cause diseases in plants
which ones are we concerned
about go and shout it
out all the above I would say all of the
above maybe not protozoa I'm not so sure
about protozoa but certainly viruses
bacteria and fungi cause diseases
implants one of them is by far away the
number one cause of diseases imp plants
which one is that this I say bacteria
you're both wrong F fungus fungi fungi
are actually by far in a way the number
one uh cause of plant
disease uh and typically tons of
different fungi uh that can cause
various uh diseases in plants of course
plants have vascular systems like we do
and fungi can get into those vascular
systems and travel in the plant and
cause problems as well bacter viruses do
cause diseases in Plants but they're not
really usually such a problem although
there are some viruses that are uh can
be kind of devastating and the very
first plant disease uh was a virus that
was discovered as tobacco mosaic virus
and we were able to isolate that and
there these gigantic uh rods or whatever
that you can see under the microscope
very easily so it's kind of interesting
that fungi is such a problem in uh
plants and fungi is the least common
pathogen for humans and when humans have
problems with fungi it's usually sort of
um you know they're on the skin you know
it's uh you know all those little uh
bacteria that are causing or fungi that
are causing you know skin issues and
stuff like that uh we don't really have
uh defense system set up for fungi and
fungi are what we call uh an emerging
disease problem for animals and not
quite humans yet but um we are seeing
fungi now emerge as major uh disease
problems in frogs they're devastating
the Frog
populations um bats we're seeing fungi
devastate bat
populations um there is a zombie fungus
in ants that maybe you've heard about
that will infect ants and kill the ant
or not before it kills the ant it will
direct the ant it'll make a zombie of
the ant and make it go forage and and do
things to help it propagate as well and
if you does anybody watch The Last of Us
on on HBO it's uh science fiction about
a version of that fungus that might
attack humans and you know and that
would be uh kind of exciting as well I
suppose so uh it's kind of interesting
to see you know how those different uh
how those different uh uh things work
what is the deadliest of of the
different types of pathogens at least in
terms of
human and bacteria and you know and I'm
gonna say you're all wrong again but I
don't have any actual data to back it up
because viruses certainly are a major
major human pathogen bacteria used to be
a much larger uh problem for us before
we had antibiotics but prota
plasmodium uh causes a lot of major
diseases denter is certainly a huge
disease in a lot of countries with uh
less severe uh less secure water
supplies and malaria probably the number
one killer uh a million people a year I
think in Africa now caused by a protozoa
little little microscopic animal one
last thing which I just learned this
year as anybody here had
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shingle nobody's had shingle I just had
the vaccine and it was horrid yeah i' L
I've had the pleasure of having both
shingles and the V SE and they are both
horrifying experiences but shingles by
far uh pretty bad and uh shingles is
becoming more and more of a problem now
too it's caused by the chickenpox virus
and if you've had chickenpox like some
of us older people have it's in your
system and it's defeated but dormant or
whatever and then at some point it can
rise up and cause shingles attack your
your nerve system and things like that
but here is something that's pretty
interesting shingles is much much more
of a problem now than it used to be more
and more every year and younger and
younger attacking younger and younger
people every year too but why we don't
have any chickenpox anymore so why is
shingles so much more of a problem now
anxiety starts at an earlier age it
might be it might be anxiety but you
know that it's actually linked to the
fact that we don't have chickenpox
anymore so you think about all those
years when your kids and people around
you were getting chickenpox everybody's
immune system we're getting like little
tiny bursts of uh defense against that
that chickenpox virus and now since that
doesn't happen uh it's it's strikes and
our defense systems are much much less
able to take care of it which is also
why there's people who think that
they're not going to get sick by
sterilizing everything and keeping
everything out it doesn't work as well
either because then their immune systems
are like not battle
ready cell
phones the cell phone is
definitely uh juicing your immune system
regularly probably right thank you Troy
thank you very interesting yeah very
interesting of course we're still all
suffering knowing that um Cheetos are
made with a corn manufactured products
so that was last month that was last
month so um anything else under
announcements or small
victories uh do we have any
conversations with residents and
visitors that wanted to come
forward if not we'll go on to our staff
Report with uh Spencer Martin Spencer is
the parks Forester an arborist and a
Communications major so Spencer why
don't you give us an overview of what's
happening in the with the trees in
Bexley this spring sure so this spring
we plan on installing around 60 trees
new plantings sites around the city
which is great um maintenance updates
right now during spring break we've been
pruning the trees surrounding the
schools taking advantage of that uh
schedule opportunity mitigating hazards
in those trees cutting out Deadwood and
so
forth um the arbor in
website I've been too busy doing tree
work I have not made any progress on
dating that any and the Jeffrey Woods
Festival I would say was a big success
we harvested I think roughly like 500
gallons of U raw maple sap and um which
ended up turning into boiling down to 12
gallons of maple syrup after all day of
boiling we got there about uh 4:30 in
the morning to to begin the process and
by the end of the day we were bottling
which was great we we don't always get
to that point um of the day because it
takes so long to evaporate but no I
think a lot of people came out they got
their firewood they had a good time good
conversation and I think it went well
good good so questions for
Spencer so I know that you have two
seasonals helping out oh we just have we
have uh one that was hired yeah or
actually we have no current seasonals
now we had the we converted one recently
to a full time staff and we're waiting
for the next POS um someone's been hired
but they haven't started yep that's
correct okay any questions questions sir
Spencer okay then we'll go on to our um
landscape
applications uh Elena Andrews our staff
consultant and Jim Wilson Vice chair
will lead the discussion on these so um
hopefully everyone that has an
application is here so I don't have to
read the rules every time um uh we do
have certain rules and it's unusual for
us to have five applications in a
meeting so we're going to stick pretty
tightly to the timelines uh in our rules
today um so everyone should be aware
that our our meetings are um live on
Facebook um and or not on Facebook on
YouTube um and our recorded so anything
you say can live for
posterity um you know as Commission
members I think we all know this but we
do not comment or discuss the findings
of other commissions uh nor do we
subject or do nor do we comment on
subjects under review by those other
commissions um as always we were not
will not be a party to negative or
disparaging comments about City staff
elected officials appointed officials
City Consultants or other commission
members then that goes for everyone if
you have a problem with another
commission take it up with them um
comments presented today should be
Germaine to the subject at hand I know
everyone presenting an application will
will do that um May perhap I don't see
anyone in the audience that wants to
comment on any of the applications but
that's a warning that we give every
meeting um and hopefully this will not
be the case but if in the chair's view
any presentation is trending towards
being inflammatory or confrontational
we'll take a recess of 10 minutes catch
our breath said come back again and
behave in the simple way that we expect
to so uh for everyone that hasn't been
before us before we start with a
presentation by Elena who will give us
an overview of the application sometimes
that's preceded by comments from me as
well um then we hear from the applicant
um and you will have 10 minutes to
present um your
application if there's anyone that wants
to speak in opposition to the
application they would get three minutes
and if anyone wants to speak in support
we'd hear them after and they would get
three minutes we usually don't have that
happen but if we do we'll listen to them
if there are comments um made in support
or opposition then the applicant would
have five more minutes to address those
um and then we move on to any questions
from the board or staff that we may have
for the applicant uh again I don't see
anyone in the audience that looks like
they're here to comment but it's not
appropriate for those in the audience to
ask questions that's the role of the
tree commission and then we'll move into
our deliberations and we do our very
best to have a dividing line between the
questions of you and our own internal
discussion so um we'll try to ask all
the questions we have of you before we
start talking about your application on
ourselves so um with that Ellen I think
our first one is 2711 rwood yes it that
is one that I might just say something
to the commission about just to remind
us this is one that we're hearing under
the provision in the Bexley ordinances
dealing with new bills just want to
remind everyone that um while we do
require an overall Landscaping plan for
New builds the concerns that underlied
that ordinance were not to allow us to
judge which perennials look best in
people's yards there there were two
concerns one was ensuring that we
preserve as much as possible existing
trees um on the property and also
looking at whether there's any removal
of screening with respect to neighboring
lots that might raise concern so while
you're free if time permits to offer
suggestions for the the sper details of
the plan those are really the concerns
that we have under the perfect thank you
so much Jim um so I've got a couple of
new things that weren't necessarily
associated with what I sent out they
came in after the emails but um just to
start with the staff report the
landscape plan is associated with a new
build on the corner of Brentwood in
South Roosevelt it's a modern style home
and the landscape supports that modern
design but um it's my understanding that
the designer really wanted to make sure
that the public facing of the yard um
the landscape fit in with the general
style of Bexley the footprint of the
home was designed to save one large
caliper tree in the rear of the yard um
but there is a it was a 36 or 38 in oak
tree that needed to be removed just
because of the footprint of that but in
general they try to save as much of the
existing trees as possible as well as
remove all of the invasive species
there's a lot of honeysuckle that um is
along uh the property line um that they
want to remove there's a row of hemlocks
along the Eastern property line that are
at the end of their lifespan and are not
healthy and they provide little to no
screening um the homeowner spoke to the
neighbor and the neighbor is in support
of the removal of those hemlocks and
then actually shared an email um so the
neighbor was Jeffrey Walker and um sent
an email to Susan quintens and I if it's
okay I'm going to read it to you guys I
apologize that I don't have it up on the
screen so I will I will try to read it
slowly and clearly hi Susan I wanted to
follow up on our conversation from a few
weeks ago and also wanted to submit this
email for the tree commission's consider
of Rick and Marley snowden's those are
the owners brentwood's landscaping plan
since we spoke I've had the opportunity
to review the Snowden Landscaping plan
and Megan and I fully support both the
Landscaping plan and the overall site
Redevelopment in our opinion both the
home itself and the proposed Landscaping
will be a dramatic improvement over the
existing structure in landscaping and
will serve as a wonderful anchor for the
final block of brenwood and Bexley in
particular I want to express support for
the removal of the hemlock trees that L
the property to the east of the site or
essentially along the property line of
our home at 2725 Brentwood I have hoped
for the removal of these trees for some
time but never felt it was appropriate
to discuss the issue with the previous
ownership the trees are in very poor
condition with a couple being
essentially dead the trees are not at
all visually appearing and in fact do
not serve as a privacy barrier because
the greenery as thin as it is begins
well above the sight lines in addition
they drop debris yearround including
branches which becomes problematic
considering our driveway along the
property line the snowden's planned
Landscaping along the property line is a
significant Improvement and we fully
support it thank you in advance for your
consideration and all of the
commission's good work Jeff and Megan
Walker so I thought thank you Susan for
reaching out and speaking with him on
that
um so we speaking of that so they are
proposing to remove those hemlocks along
that line and putting up a six- foot
wood privacy with Landscaping on their
yard side the property line is Right
adjacent to a concrete curb and so
there's no opportunity and the the
driveway comes right up to it so there's
no opportunity to do any screening on
the neighbor's
property um while 17 trees will be
removed from the site 25 new trees are
proposed to replace them in addition to
more shrubs and perennials all invasive
honeysuckle will be removed from the
site tree protection has been indicated
for both City trees and private trees
the proposed landscape plan provides a
variety of site appropriate selections
of trees shrubs and perennials for both
the foundation of the home as well as
the rear of the property line to
maintain screening for the neighbors and
um I recommend uh approving the plan as
presented I know that there was some
discussion um prior to this in terms of
the city trees on the right of way and
so I'm going to just jump
to
ah excuse me I'm just going to jump to
the demo plan so the right of way along
so to the to the north here you can see
this is um brenwood this is Roosevelt
here and there was a city tree that was
here and it was recently removed Spencer
drove by thank you so much for driving
by um the street tree for that area is a
green vase zova I believe is it a green
vase or Green Mountain suar map totally
wrong close I got green right it's green
Tre so it's a sugar maple there there is
space for an additional Street Tree in
terms of um potential like mitigation
factors to consider that there is also
um there's a a removal of a tree here
that is right on the border and they're
asking for it to remove for a new curb
cut in terms of where the um site is
coming in with the removal of that and
the change of the the driveway there is
a potential possibility of having a tree
in that location there is another
Maple yeah I think that one is a silver
maple okay a silver maple that is aging
that they could potentially put in or
just you know kind of wait as just you
know in you know kind of anticipation of
that one aging out so I think that this
is potentially I mean there's a lot
that's kind of going on in that corner I
think that there's definitely an
opportunity for um some here just to
call out this is this is the row of the
hemlocks and that's really where that
number of 17 trees you know says that
it's coming out the two main ones that
are being removed are this 36 38 inch
caliper this guy and then this one was
about a 12 to 14 inch caliper in that
location these are relatively minor and
not really you know doing very healthy
but you can see the larger trees that
are along the edge of the property and
in the front yard and this they want to
maintain and protect in terms of moving
forward so with that I'm going to invite
Joe Moss
up and then Joe I have the just the full
presentation if you want me to just kind
of just scroll through it for you to
speak to it or if there's something that
you want me to jump to first I can tell
you the story about the house is your oh
if you could hit the button right here
excellent and could you introduce
yourself so
sure uh I'm Joe Moss I'm with gizi
Rosenthal architecture and design
um and I could tell I I see these happen
a lot and somebody tells the long story
about the project I would rather tell
you uh things that you might want to
know about the project um I will say a
few things if you could go to the site
planting
plan this one uh the planting plan which
I believe is L3 there we go so
the um Ashley's landscape plan for the
project uh works really nicely with the
house it uh it does it the house which
is designed on kind of
cruciform pattern um makes an l-shape to
frame and preserve as much space as
possible while still kind of holding the
neighborhood Edge so at the northwest
corner uh so the intersection quadrant
of the house it remains open generous
lawn and then um frames the the house
which has a a generally a stayed and
neutral but natural pallet um the the
surrounding plantings provide uh a nice
pop of color and also uh kind of work
with the dining room uh which has an ex
exterior outside corner window um to
remain open to that corner and then you
know continuing
Eastward along Brentwood you get a more
formal uh it remains a kind of formal
Edge there somewhat
articulated um by the there is what we
think is a katala tree there at the
northeast corner along uh South
Rosevelt um the mode changes a little
bit to a layered approach uh with the
Magnolias providing uh capturing a
little bit of space just outside of the
kitchen uh and there's a window well in
front of the kitchen so you get a nice
layered Zone there and of course uh the
Southeastern quadrant of the site um
focuses mostly on making uh making an
elegant Edge and preserving privacy for
the neighbors and for the
snowdens uh remaining open for their
use there has been um an application for
a variance to widen the curb cut uh from
I think the 12 feet which would be
standard to something uh closer to 20 or
22 feet I'm not part of that effort but
uh at that at the West Edge you'll see
that that rather um restricted curb cut
uh we hope will become more um will open
up to allow better access for the
stens
color uh is very important to the pette
and again it's going to uh be used to
complement the texture and color uh of
the house um some of the renderings
might help to illustrate that the
renderings are later on in the packet I
believe right um a bit dark um but
particularly the lower lower right hand
corner you can see the outside
closer yes yeah that's better thank
you we assume that the whole world is
listening on YouTube so that's right ah
don't make me
nervous yeah so the the foundation
planting um spreads out and creates a
space so you can see it kind of doubles
the edge of that outside corner window
into the dining room continues
Eastward
um yeah maintaining the
lawn um
the uh the lilac tree has a nice um its
color has uh stands out because the
neutral background of the brick wall
behind
it formal axis to the front door
accentuated um by the
L I'm reading off uh plant names as we
not I'm a bricks and mortar person um
yeah so this this view also
uh yeah this is uh facing Southward on
the right side um this is from A View
essentially from inside the kitchen
facing out uh toward the Magnolias with
um the lower uh planting
bed that's used to screen the planting
bed is there to use Ed to screen a
window well that's going to allow access
um egress access to a basement
bedroom and there uh there you get a
little bit of the layered space behind
the
Magnolia
um yeah trying to trying to screen as
much of that um you would kind of call
that that's the uh general public goes
to the front door the friends go to the
back door so the back door is on the um
West Side there at Rosevelt so screening
much as we can
uh while still kind of maintaining a
proud uh element for the vehicular
entry um outdoor space Terraces down
from the interior uh to a midlevel stone
uh patio with uh brick retaining walls
uh and then down to um I believe a gold
dust or uh decomposed aggregate or
decomposed Granite um base for where you
see the picnic table
generous outdoor spaces um and then the
edge uh lowo grass is uh used in the
backyard
um partly because we think that it is uh
dog friendly and also will allow lower
levels of Maintenance so the Snows that
they're uh out of town they can still
allow the maintenance lawn maintenance
and landscape companies to Manicure
around the public sides while the back
quadrant um will not require access to
them so it's just another layer of
privacy for
them
yeah one thing that I also just want to
call out is the the property line along
here that with the fencing um there are
two different types of fencing there is
both a metal fence and a wooden fence
they're two different properties and so
they are looking to keep that fence as
in and then just add a variety of
evergreen trees this is an existing
Foria that they want to maintain um and
so they're just providing more screening
with a kind of a combination of some
green Giants and some Arbor in through
here and then the fence along the
Walker's property along and through here
has a variety of um shrubs and
perennials just in front of the wooden
fence so that's going to be a horizontal
slat wooden fence a privacy
fence oh do upper right hand corner
photo we're not doing questions yet no I
just want to see something hold on see
it ask
questions if I can find it hold
on oh gracious hold on give me two
seconds might be your preview window
there to the left my preview window to
the left keep going to the left and
there's the uh not that one not this one
I'm GNA go here there we go let there
you go there we go okay sorry thank
you thank
you this one yes no
com thank
you I'm sure there'll be questions but
have you said what initially what you'd
like to say yeah I could keep going if
you want that's
okay is there anyone that wants to speak
in opposition to plan see no one is
there anyone that wants to speak in
support other than the letter that we've
already
heard
so since you have nothing to respond to
you will soon because now we'll turn it
over to questions
for get phone
closer okay thank you um so I want to go
back to the trees that are being planted
in the backyard or is it the
backyard
um there
was it it was a um not the plan view it
was the cross-section it was a um
implied photograph drawing you could go
back my point my point is that there
were trees in a line and they all had
grass growing up to them and what one of
the things that we propose for people
and care of trees is that the that they
are surrounded more with uh not I'm not
speaking specifically to all the
correctness of how to do it but uh that
there should be some mulch around the
trees and not go the grass should not
grow up to the tree trunk so that mowing
cannot hurt the the tree trunk would
this be
uh just so that I understand is this
related to potentially the um there's an
existing tree in the upper right hand
corner where we're showing that there's
sedge
grass uh up to the trunk well there were
a number of trees so I'm going to just
jump in if we look at the plan they all
of the trees along the property line
here there is a bed yes and the grass
starts right short of that so there is I
think it's just probably more of a
rendering technique so the the
renderings are giving an overall kind of
impression of what it looks like it's
not exact in looking at the plan all of
the plant material has mulch beds around
the perimeter of it with you know a lawn
panel here none of the lawn comes up to
any of the um grass areas with the
exception of this area where the grass
underneath this tree is starting to die
and so they decided to put sort of more
of a sge grass underneath that just to
you know that's going to take the shade
it'll grow a little bit more and there
are some mulch rings around the proposed
magnol is along in through here sitting
what I saw sitting within it went up
right to those okay yeah thank you
that's what it
was other
questions um first of all uh I want to
say that I was so excited to not see any
um
boxwood so congratulations on using
inkberry um and sedges and um I also
um was very impressed with the
instructions for the installation of all
these plants where um it was
specifically stated to remove uh burlap
balls and metal cages um there's a lot
of um talk if you will in from you know
different uh people who I've heard from
who say you know some people insist that
the cages can remain and others say the
cages should be removed and um you know
people who go in and repair
installations will tell that all of that
should be removed and um so needless to
say I'm I'm excited to see that you
actually spell this all out um thanks I
guess my only comment negative would be
that you chose lopy which I feel is
extremely overused just like boxwood but
um I guess I could I could live with it
when I saw you had sges too so um I just
think it's a really good plan um I guess
the other issue or concern I might have
would would be the fact that um if we
want to put new Street trees in are the
trees that you're planting on the side
that faces Roosevelt spe is probably
more so would those interfere with our
plantings of of the trees in the right
of way the
Magnolias yes I don't know Magnolias
aren't underst stories are they or are
they they could be yeah they're
understory trees and the prescribed tree
for Roosevelt is popular so I don't
think that would be a conflict there
they wouldn't get too large to shade out
the
magnol no I don't think
so so but other than that um I I really
think it's a beautiful plan thank
you questions no I think it's very
creative um on the use of this lot in
this beautiful home that's being
constructed I think there's a lot of
variety I think it's very well
done
yes so to Jim's point about the reason
that we review plans it's to try and
ensure that the canopy grows instead of
diminishes and like Mary I'm concerned
about the removal of the tree on the
Roosevelt side and then and losing a
whole I guess lot distance of of the the
ability to install Street trees so I
would personally be interested in having
a street tree
shown with the Magnolias and then I
would have would be interested in one to
the north of the driveway
um the ability to add Street trees will
help not not only increase a canopy but
will help soften I think the uh the look
uh from Roosevelt we have a tremendous
LA on Roosevelt of tulip popplers and um
not to have any Street trees on that
side with the addition of a larger
footprint house I think is uh is a
liability in my mind so I would put one
you know to Spencer's point that a tulip
popper is can cohabitate with the
Magnolia put one in there and then one
to the north of whatever Drive is going
to be there whether it's the board of
zoning appeals allows a wider driveway
or
not you mean to the South nor okay yeah
you mean south south of the driveway and
North of the driveway right the Magnolia
or north north of the driveway right
sorry good thing I'm not going to the
South Pole
right um and the the only other thing
Mary and I were overlooking this morning
and you said that tree on the northeast
corner of the mature tree that stays
that's a
Catalpa did you say I think so okay so I
would just suggest that
um some tending start on that tree
uh while the building is while the house
is being built because there's Ivy
growing up into the crown yeah and um I
think taking it off sooner would be
better than later and then I would you
know like to ask um the homeowners in
the midst of this construction if they
would consider planting a street tree in
the front on Brentwood to replace the
one that was taken down and have their
landscape people do that when they come
in to install the rest of the plantings
so I I I I missed a little bit at the
North Edge the northeastern portion of
where that street tree just came down I
think it has to go a little bit to the
West so just north of where the catala
is right right but it's on the other
side of the
sidewalk I I have we're saying that
those are potentially poppers no no
they're the popers on Roosevelt it's the
Green Mountain sugar maple yeah on
brenwood Green Mountain sugar
maple yes okay that's the
cultivar just for clarification um
Spencer in terms of in the right of way
for the Tulip poppers along than
Roosevelt what's the spacing on that and
do you think that there's do you think
that there's adequate spacing to get two
of them in there or is that something
that we should walk the walk the site
with the owners and sort of figure that
out or is that I think walking is
generally best but
you know tulip poers are a large growing
tree they do have quite a big Crown so
right I'm just wonder if we can get two
real like where if we could get two in
there or not or by the Magnolia and then
one on the uh south side of the pro yeah
just because of the existing large
growth trees that are here like I would
imagine we'd have one there but then
also then potentially I just want to I
mean I think two would look great in
terms of carrying that LA but I also
don't necessarily want to do something
that is gonna that the arborist then
would be like why did we well walking is
always the best idea Mary and I walked
today and and before we knew the
driveway was going to come for um
a I was going to say variation but I
guess is not it's variance right um we
actually felt two trees could go in on
the north side of the driveway so
well the north side of the driveway and
then one on the south side yeah mean
where the Magnolia where the old
driveway was was much further south
right right right and then okay right
then along Roosevelt if there were New
Street trees going in would they go in
the tree lawn west of the sidewalk
between the sidewalk and the curb or
would they go along the RightWay line
like the other one in the right North in
the RightWay about at the RightWay line
would be typical probably for this if
not a little yeah yeah you know the
trees always do better when they're on
the inside of the sidewalk well that's
that that section really have
widen corre sidewalk Street correct plan
anything that meets our hopes uh suan
are you done I'm done thank you um I
think I think it's a a a really good
plan um as as a house that I walk by
three times a week at least um a great
Improvement to the neighborhood I um
since you're since you're the architect
I would just ask that you communicate to
the general contractor that we take it
really seriously that the tree
protections stay in place the most
annoying thing to the tree commission I
think is having a great plan like this
and then having contractors come in who
don't respect the need to keep the tree
protection in place so if you can
understood and we we've been through
this before and we know what to do well
we respect that for sure it's it's
usually not the Architects It's usually
the folks the subs working for the
general
contract we've gotten some of those
frantic phone calls
yes is there brick curb that is there a
brick curb on no I'm neither I might ask
that so if if there is um I don't know
if it needs to be a formal agreement or
a tested agreement informal agreement
today that uh the additional Street
trees are um something that the snow are
okay with which I think that they are um
is that something that we need to put in
writing today uh if there is an approval
so I I think the way we can approach
this is with a motion to approve the
plan um subject to um staff the City
Arborist and Elena uh inspecting the
sites uh site and making a
recommendation regarding those Street
trees um and the if the property owner
disagrees with that then they can come
back uh to us for further hearing that
way you would if if they're agreeable to
it you'll have your approval today
subject to to their visit um whereas
otherwise if we if we wait for the
consent then you're going to and I don't
know what your schedule for construction
is but you'll be delayed at least to our
meeting next month so yeah Jim the
caveat to that might be that they still
they also want have a curb cut so if you
want to put a a tree a tree on either
side of the new driveway then that
changes that so that might have to be
looked at first cve cut that we have
authority over Oh I thought okay that's
only that's another layer out as part of
the
curut within our jurisdiction so I
believe we could probably anticipate uh
what the ask is for the curb cut and we
would know dimension Ally how to work
around that great great um
just can I make a motion yes you may I
move approval of the plan uh with the uh
condition that um that City staff um
inspect the property with the homeowner
and their Architects um and make a
determination as to whether one or two
City trees can be planted along
Roosevelt
um and if so um that the plan be
contingent on that um and then if
there's a second I can just explain I
second if the if the homeowners disagree
with the staff's conclusion then they
can come back to us it's just all I
wanted to explain but this lets you move
forward with I think a good plan okay I
think we just
Roosevelt um well do we want to
add I guess we'd add that we also would
make a contingent on the homeowners as
part of their Landscaping replacing the
city tree with the appropriate maple
species on
Brentwood the one that just came down
okay and is there a second to that
motion second is there any
discussion a motions made seconded that
we approve the landscape plan as
submitted with the um addition of the
qualifications that the arborist and St
staff consultant work with the homeowner
and the landscape designer to look for
possibilities of two trees Tula popplers
on Roosevelt and the addition of the
Green
Mountain um sugar maple on brenwood all
those in favor say I I all those oppos
same sign okay motion carries he thank
you very much thank you
Joe all right takes us to 2741 East Main
Street yes
Catalina's
yep bring any pancake balls I did
not no sweet talk follow the same
procedure and I assume that you don't
need me to go through the rules
again all righty so bear with
me all righty so our next project is
tpgc
24-2 the Catalina Restaurant at 2741
East Main Street um so this project came
under a BAP application Bap 24-1 which
was approved by the ARB on
2824 for the conversion of the Boston
Market restaurant to a Catalina
Restaurant which I understand the
pancake balls are very good um the
project will provide an expanded
Courtyard for outdoor seating as well as
landscape around the development as a
commercial project we have have the
ability to review the landscape plan the
proposed landscape shows a variety of
Evergreen boxwood tall grasses cone
flowers and two ornamental trees around
the patio to screen the um to screen the
fence as well as provide seasonal
entrance to the patio note that the two
um multi- stem red bods we actually move
that um and thank you so much um Matt
for moving that um for the plan for that
um so those are actually not in the city
right away just as a small note that
there is space to add a second London
Plane um between the curb and sidewalk
for that so there will be and so that is
going to be on one of the planting plans
for Main Street the parking spaces do
have evergreen shrubs per code um to
screen the uh the cars and the emerald
VI uh Arbor emerald green Arbor are
placed on the East elevation between the
wall art to provide landscape ARB did
ask for some additional um definition of
the murals within that and so that is
what they're working on and then the
Evergreens kind show in between um those
areas to frame that artwork there is
room as I mentioned to have a London
Plane um as a city tree I recommend that
the um plan be approved as presented um
with the correct um location of the
trees which they've already done and so
we don't necessarily need to go through
that um I want to just bring up the plan
just to kind of show everyone that this
is the location they're um there's a
Street Lamp here there's kind of like a
outlet that comes in through here but
there is enough space between where the
uh curb cut is into the parking lot and
that to have a new additional City tree
this is the sidewalk and then these are
the Red Buds that in the previous plan
that we had emailed out were in the in
the wrong location so they've moved them
back behind the sidewalk in that
location um I did say that um in terms
of for the um renderings for this
particular one and I don't remember do I
have them excuse me in this the
renderings because of where things were
it wasn't enough I mean just imagine
that these guys are back behind the
sidewalk right so just in terms of again
the the renderings for that particular
area um that those would be the multi-
stem Red Buds that would go in but
they're just on the other side of that
so I didn't think it was necessarily
worth having to go through the effort to
to redo that so with that I'll I'll kick
it over to you
thank you and then we can talk about the
landscape plan so thank you for looking
at this for us uh Catalina is Kathleen
is very excited just introduce yourself
oh sorry Matt lonus with orange frog
Design Group I'm the architect for the
project um Kathleen is very excited to
be in bexy for one um she's extremely
excited about this site as well for a
number of reasons being a corner lot
parking which is great and then have the
ability to enlarge the patio out front
to get more outside dining so um
Catalina is is someone that is
restaurant is open in the morning but
they close roughly 3:00 so there's no
night um dining or anything at this
location and I don't think there will
ever be that in her model or business
model so so with that the everyone's
familiar with the current site um the
Boston Market has a small patio out
front now with some um not so friendly
Landscaping in front of it uh with a
street sign or their sign so that will
come down the patio will be enlarged and
then the Landscaping you see there is
boxwoods I apologize but they have been
switched out to inkberry in in so um
that the plan new plan reflects that uh
the Landscaping with um from the
landscape architect the idea was try to
screen the seating uh so I'm not a lan
architect but I believe there are
different heights of planting he has
there to help kind of make it look
um good uh the Red Buds
we moved from the RightWay back so that
kind of anchors both sides of the patio
which I think works well and then the
east side is really the only other side
that we can do something with to try to
soften the building right now there
really isn't a whole lot against the
building at all the building is kind of
a little different in the sense of
there's about an 18inch curb along the
building actually touching the building
so you can get Foundation plannings to
the building so we will be off a little
bit um but with that Kathleen is very
much in favor of uh wall art and so uh
during the uh architect review um they
discuss the building to the north side
has some wall art on as well and they
like the idea of having wall art uh with
that uh we put in some Arbor to break
that up to give it some balance or some
some rhythmic pattern uh there so U the
Landscaping to the South is to help
screen there's no Landscaping there
currently but help screen the parking
lot so if we kind of look at this in two
parts we have the east side that we're
trying to soften the building a little
bit hide the parking and accent some of
the artwork and the north side we're
trying to mask the patio a little bit if
we can and um make it look a little uh a
fresher look on the
front one of the staff's concerns or the
committee's concerns may have been the
tall grasses collecting trash I
presented that to Kathleen and she's
very much uh image-based she's um so
that that would not be something that uh
she will be very tidy with with that so
there should be no issue with that
whatsoever uh but if it's something that
you guys are every the committee
is not in favor of we can look at
another play material for
that um anyone speaking in opposition
or in favor all right we're ready to
move on remember questions first then
discussion didn't do that well last time
but does anyone have any questions for
the
app oh I was gonna ask if it's irrigated
it is not irrigated it's something that
she's leas in the building so the land
the building owner currently doesn't
have that we're running into some issues
currently with some uh the Water Service
and what have you there so uh we can
look and see if there's an opportunity
to do that see what the costs are uh
currently they have to replace the water
service to the building uh so um
unexpected expense um but uh we can look
into that if it's something that the
board wants to see and well another um
another area to look at is is there an
outside spigot or are there outside
spigots there is one I believe it's on
the uh West
Side about halfway back um near the
canopy so something that yes they can
use that to
irrigate when when is the plan to
install you I mean I realize that it's
fluid but yeah we are um hoping to have
a uh plan submitted for a walk through
on April 3rd so contractor
could potentially start next week in the
inside demo uh she would like to be open
by uh July so we're going to be sometime
in she's allowing three months for
construction so the Landscaping would
happen
sometime June July iest summer yeah the
hard the harsh the harsh time yeah yeah
so then I I I think um that i' I'd like
to you know have the landscape architect
think through an a watering plan okay or
if it's not an irrigation system what is
the watering plan and who's responsible
how often when how all those good things
okay I just add to that I mean um she
doesn't I mean she may want to for her
business's sake to have it all installed
but if if she prefers to wait for
instance to have the trees installed in
the fall I think that's perfectly
acceptable okay because anything that
doesn't Sur she's going to have to
replace right right so with that I think
it's a great discussion point in the
sense of
um being is going to be right in the The
Heart Of Summer June July um is that
something that she's allowed to defer to
the fall I she doesn't want to uh but is
that something that is that a discussion
point or is that something just to trees
only get deferred or how how would that
work I would think it would probably be
just the the trees um just in terms of
availability because I think that there
might be an occupancy issue that if the
landscape is not installed that it might
not get full sign off on your occupancy
okay but if we let the building
department know that the tree commission
said that due to either availability or
the health of the trees that those can
hold off then that should be okay
okay other comments or
questions um I just wanted to comment
about the um well I was going to comment
about the boxwood so you definitely are
switching that then to the inkberry
that's new plan has oh wonderful um the
other thing also um with regard to the
instructions for the installation I
noticed too on this plan that there was
very specific instructions for
installation removing cages burlap all
that sort of thing which um is is going
to ensure success I think as you know as
long as the plants are maintained
properly once installed and and that
sort of thing um I just curious and you
you probably don't know the answer to
this but I'm going to ask it anyway um
do they follow up on these sorts of
things to make sure that the plants put
in are put in correctly um Brent King is
landscape architect um I'd have to look
at his proposal to see but I'm sure that
he has some type of a a site visit so um
I'll verify that but normally he does
have a side visit when it's being to
kind of make sure they're putting where
they're supposed to be yeah uh so I'll
check his proposal and see but most of
the time he does yes okay
Mr Wilson do you have a motion you'd
like to bring forward uh I would move
that we approve the plan as modified um
um and provide that um if the decision
of the property owner is to delay the
planning of I think just the Red Buds
that that would be acceptable delay for
the purposes of the tree commission is
there a second second is there any
discussion does it matter about the
shrubs or Elena do you think they would
be okay I think the shrubs would be okay
I mean provided that they're watering
right right right and I mean as as a
commercial property if anything dies
they are required by code to replace it
sure so in the discussion do we want to
um of the motion do we want to address
any watering plan do we want to put that
in the motion or do we want leave that
just for a staff comment I did not put
it in the motion because
at least my own view is that they pay a
high price for not watering adequately
so I think that the incentive is there
but if someone wants to add that the
motion amen okay so motion been made and
seconded that we approved the plan as
presented with the potential
installation of the Red Buds in the fall
of 2024 all those who in favor say I all
those poos same sign okay motion carries
thank you very much
I think that takes us to 2529 East Broad
Street see yes you were here for the the
overview so we'll follow the same
procedure
okay bear with
me yeah so we have to send um ploted to
Elena who's taking notes leading the
review using the
computer and offering comment so let's
be patient thank
you bust out my
readers all righty
so next project is tpg
24-1 RightWay plantings a private
residence located at 2529 Broad Street
um
so this project has a um I'm actually
I'm going to switch over to this so you
all can see this um this project
originally came before
um the city the house was for sale the
homeowners bought it and a soon after
they bought it a car jumped the curb in
an accident and SL slammed into the
house destroying a brand new fully
renovated kitchen right so then that
then led to the homeowners looking at
what can we do to kind of enclose our
lot a little bit more maybe provide some
screening looking at some fencing they
were proposing having fencing um along
the
property um along broad as well as along
um uh Cassidy and along the backside of
that the baps ruling was that in order
to have they were looking at the the
right of way behind the sidewalk on
Broad Street is only two feet the right
of way behind the sidewalk on Cassidy is
67 in the Bap ruled that they were okay
with the location of a fence along
Cassidy um at 67 in but said that if
they in fact wanted to have a fence
along um Broad Street that it needed to
be 8 to 10 feet back behind the curb
the homeowners looked at this looked at
different sites and they have now
decided instead of having a fence right
now um at all along Broad Street they
are only looking at having a fence along
Cassidy that then um kind of has a
pedestrian gate at the 67 Ines and then
it stops the 8 to 10 feet behind that
sidewalk and then they have a row of
Evergreens planted um on their property
to help with screening and we'll we'll
see that um as a landscape plant but
just to kind of explain what all the
information was that we sent out so you
can kind of get a history of what this
project is so what we are looking at now
is the fence of 42inch high black
aluminum open clear fence has been
approved by BAP to be installed 67
inches behind the curb and they are then
now planting in the right of way shrubs
to screen that fence and so we're
looking at the landscape and selection
for the trees and shrubs there so long
you know rather than kind of reading
through all of this um there is an
existing tree that sits on the um
property line um just south of The
Pedestrian walk to the front door and
the homeowner explained that they will
modify the fence around the tree as
necessary in the field and move the
fence onto the property and not into the
right of way to avoid the trunk so
they're just going to wait and then
where it is appropriate to stop it at
the fence and then do like basically a
little u-shape and then continue that
along the landscape plan includes
Evergreen boxwoods two hydranges on
either side of The Pedestrian gate as
well as Arbor V at the Northeast east
corner which continue West along Broad
Street to screen the property as a small
also note um we did check the lines of
sight and none of the proposed plantings
are within the triangle line of sight
that you need to maintain at a stop sign
so we don't necessarily need to worry
about that the row of boxwoods Define
the property line um that you see is a
common typology seen throughout Bexley
and fits with the traditional
architecture of the home once the
boxwoods are mature a twoot space will
exist between the boxwood the homeowner
I suest J may want to consider planting
perennials between to provide a variety
of plant material and visual interest
and this is up to the discretion of the
tree commission to discuss um City staff
recommends approving the plan as
presented and will support the tree
commission's recommendations on
additional plant material between the
boxwood if
required so just as a couple of existing
site photos um one of the reasons also
to pull this is Broad Street and um this
is a mature existing on their property
that um the 8 to 10 ft would kind of
stop just behind that and that was I
think one of also the reasons why they
were looking at not necessarily having a
street there a fence there that would
impact the um that would impact the uh
the roots of that tree but they are
looking at having a row of arborite
which you see on many of the properties
along Broad Street to provide screening
for their yard um they have I believe
two two children two
children
um this is a row this is a view of um
where their their sidewalk
is and then just moving in through there
and then pulling up the plan so within
the plan um the fence turns the corner
on the private property comes along the
right of way and there is a row of about
there about four smart guard Arbor so
the smart guards are the ones that stay
a little bit more narrow um the Emerald
Greens up towards um the north corner of
the property that then turns down into a
bed on their property um still leaving
you know kind of a lawn that two feet of
lawn space you know for for mowing and
not having um the material go into it
and then they have boxwoods placed 5
feet on Center it's a green velvet
boxwood which will get to be about three
feet or so in diameter which will then
leave a little bit of space in between
um they are looking at having two um
probably Limelight hydranges on either
side of The Pedestrian gate here the
boxwoods continue and then they have a
couple of Arbor down here um just to
kind of clear that off in terms of let
me see if this is the
one so in terms of this is the existing
tree shown and then the other City trees
that are on the site The Pedestrian
gate oops excuse me
and then this is looking at the towards
the Broad Street side and then the
opposite side by the driveway so with
that I know I went over but let me know
if there's anything that you want to
talk about as well so if you wouldn't
mind introducing yourself to everyone
and then tell me where you would like me
to navigate with all the stuff that I
have
shown is it on yeah okay so I'm Marcel
bishov I'm the homeowner together with
Melissa rodia my wife and all two kids
we live there we bought this house last
year in springish around May and as you
mentioned it happened the accident in
Fourth of July where some van crashed in
and we were so we were wanted to have
that bit more shielded um about the
Landscaping PL
so so we want to have for our kids we
want to have a front yard fence where we
got the special permit under the
Restriction that the landscape planner
needs to be approved and we always felt
like if you come from Broad Street most
of the houses are have like AB or
something like this in the front on
Broad Street now if you come from the
west side it's like it suddenly turns
very open and it's kind of slightly
destructed it's a very old nice 9040
Stone home so we don't want to
completely cover up but we want to have
like a little bit better blending it in
and actually we
uh it's it's a updated plan so we
actually uh opted out for also inkberry
because
like elen pointed out to us that you're
not fan of boxwood and then I also
remember the problems with boxwood
lately that they just die and we're not
anyways not the most Green Green Thumb
person so we wanted something which
doesn't die away and um so thank you for
the suggestion so we were opted out for
the inkberry and we we want actually
keep the option for theen I just said
for the fans on uh Broad Street so it
has to be 10 ft back from the sidewalk
which 8 feet from the right of way we
want to keep that option open we're not
100% sure we want to start to plant the
tree as soon as possible and then start
with the fans and see if it makes sense
to have the fence on Brad stre or not
but we want to have the option in so we
draw it back in and yeah
so for the that's the entrance way we we
have a small gate and we want to have a
hydr just to the left and right just to
break it up a bit and then the 5 ft
apart on the um on custody the um ink
berry
and and then yeah we want to there's one
more up down we uh four more down on the
south
end yeah just to kind of make it more
symmetric and give us a little bit of
privacy to like that the driveway is not
so open just for screening
thank you anyone here to speak in
opposition or
support um I just want to clarify
so D we're just approving the plantings
in the right of way the homeowners don't
need approval to along Brad no correct
they do not um so just in terms of our
discussion that's what we're looking at
I just because you you you said you may
put the fence in and you may have
already done this I would just make sure
with Kathy Rose how long your variance
or special permit is in place if you
don't utilize it I think there's maybe a
year limit in which you'd have to go
back if you don't put the fence and just
don't want you to be upset with the city
because so should be one yeah yeah and
and I think per also the that original
be up if you do go in with that fence
and you do any additional landscape just
contact me and a city staff I'm able to
review that for so it would have if the
fence does go in we would look at if
there needs to be if it's appropriate to
have additional landscape it doesn't
necessarily need to come back to the
tree commission but it is in the beep
ruling that it would be approved by City
staff so questions about the aspects of
the plan that we're looking at any
questions
Celeste no Mar no my concern was the
variance and you answered that question
I so and the
boxwoods Jayla three for three
yeah I have no question I understand the
situation I think it's uh well deserved
and for a young family um that's a busy
corner so we were going to talk about
the perennials between the plantings
because they are being planted 5 feet on
Center did you say and the ink berries
will grow to about three fet in diameter
so we have two feet to talk about the
prenal and um I think we're looking for
suggestions from the tree Commission on
potential perennials yes correct yes and
um I would guess that that area gets a
lot of sun because the city trees there
are not very large and don't have a big
canopy um so I would I would suggest
that if we're looking at perennials and
Mary and I mean all these women actually
are terrific with perennials so I I
think that we need to offer some
suggestions and varieties of what would
do well there well a lot of perennials
would definitely do well there because I
think you're going to get a lot of sun
um you know do you have a particular
color that you like
or I think low maintenance and long low
like so I think maybe yeah maybe to be
most efficient with our time we could
suggest a variety and then Ellena you
could present those okay um to them and
and you know I don't know if you want
just one variety let's say all purple
cone flowers or if you want purple red
yellow green you know um it's so I think
that would be a conversation with Elena
we'll suggest the variety and then have
you helped choose does that sound okay
to you Jim are we suggesting the variety
today or are we just no we're suggesting
the variety today we're going to we're
going to help him out and and um make
use of his good time that he sat in the
audience today so let's go let's go for
it um well one that comes to mind would
be a
Rudbeckia um those do well and they're
low maintenance um the cone flowers of
course are low maintenance um maybe some
lower growing asers which are great
pollinators
um I'm big on B balm I'd like to say it
really fast too bbal bbal yeah I think
yeah I think that that's a great one
pretty low maintenance I like Mountain
mint that has a nice white flower for a
long time and great for pollinators and
green that is um low maintenance what is
the Latin on that one C mint yeah cat
mints there's a low growing cment that
you could put in
lavender I wouldn't do
lavender okay we get too much rain
anymore for those how about penamon
pamin are nice penamon that give some
interest in the winner that's I think
that's a pretty good selection right
there you want more Elena no that's
seven yeah so I
think more um I think so what what I can
do is is work with you in terms of
understanding you know the what you're
looking for what the You Know M low
maintenance versus no maintenance versus
you know all of that and then also just
you know aesthetically if you want it
all the same or if you want a variety or
if you want like groupings of different
things and so I can certainly um I can
email you what these flowers are and
send you some pictures and then we can
kind of go from there how long of a b
season they have exactly yes blazing
star too okay that's all so I would move
to I have one more question for Spencer
okay so I have um looked on Broad Street
like you have to see how the arbet are
planted because there's a variety of
planting methods that people have used
and I was going to ask Spenser if when
planting in a row of Arbor did the arbor
do better when their planted sort of
triangulated it's the same number it's
just that there is more movement I
wondered if the the sun um has a has a
better chance to shine on them if
they're not in a straight
row or if that doesn't make any
difference I'm not too familiar with it
we don't plant them as a street tree but
um you know they need light that's true
but it at the same time it's very common
to have them in a in a straight line
right right from a from a design
perspective often times when you see a
double row the reason why they do a
double row is they are trying to get
more dense coverage faster because the
arbor tend to be more of a pyramidal
shape and so when you stagger them you
are kind of filling in the open
triangles and so if you plant them 5T on
Center and the row behind it is also 5et
on Center but it's shifted over then you
start to get a fuller coverage um it
doesn't necessarily help with the the
growth of them it's really just in terms
of the full design that you want and
sometimes it also then takes up more of
a bed space right so rather than a
three-foot bed you want to have a five
or six foot bed in order to get enough
space there so I yeah so my part of my
question was you know for these down in
here what are they on Center are
provided down those arbs on Center I
think you had said that you were going
to plant those three feet Center three
feet on Center yeah yeah so they're
gonna be planted pretty tight yeah and
in comment to um
Ellen's um just previous comment I like
the idea that it un the line undulates
if you don't plant them all in a row
because you already have a solid fence
and back and then you're just adding
another solid line of shrub so it really
often it to give it sort of an ulation
and you might enjoy having um when you
put the perennials in you'll have more
space every other Road give you some
feeling of Rhythm which is one of the
basic designs of element elements of
design so unfortunately for that we
don't have enough space along Cassidy to
achieve that because we need to have
they have a two foot grass strip
immediately adjacent and it's only 67
inches so then so it's you know say five
five and a half feet we're taking up two
feet and then we have a three and a half
foot bed we don't have enough space to
undulate it along that I I completely
see what you're saying but I just want
everyone to understand sure they're
gonna it's going to have to be in a row
along Cassidy I was going along with
Susan's great idea yeah we're full of
great ideas Mr Wilson I think we need to
move to a motion yes please do I move
that we approve the plan uh as presented
with the stipulation that um the city
consultant will offer them uh options in
terms of bals for planning between the
the main plantings um and the usual
stipulation that um any change or
replacement in the plan since it is in
the right of way we'll have to come back
to the tree
commission okay is there a second second
okay is there any
discussion um this is a question for the
staff consultant do you um do you feel
that there will be any need to have
protection or for Spencer around the
city trees for for the installation of
the inkberry or the arbor or the fence
no okay no usually not I I would say
with I mean Spencer you can jump in but
I would say usually with fences I don't
think that that they've got a driveway
the lay down area is probably going to
be the driveway they go in pretty close
none of them are none of the posts are
going to be close into the city right
way and then the landscape crew I mean
it's all going to be done by hand okay I
mean you think that yeah if it's done by
hand it's fine I just worry about
compaction um with like dingos and ditch
witches and or otherwise but I mean if
there's obvious routes like sidewalks
and driveways it's probably fine I
typically just recommend it but if it's
hand installed I don't feel much risk
okay do we want to add
it okay
um how would people feel about adding it
to the motion I I agree you agree okay
anybody deny disagree Jim okay okay a
motion has been made and seconded that
we approve the installation of this plan
as presented with a condition that
Ellena work with the homeowner on a
selection of perennials for um the
spaces between the inkberry and that uh
tree protections around the city trees
be installed and observed all those in
favor say I I same oppose same sign okay
motion carries okay thank you thank you
thank you so
much um 141 South Drexel I would remind
the commission we've got 35 minutes to
get two more
applications are you saying we're wordy
or diligent I'm saying that we don't
have a lot of time to give advice as
close to approve what I think that's I
think that's appropriate
okay okay
hello okay so
interestingly um the next two projects
both have to do with not only plantings
in the right of way but columns located
within the right of way there is um most
recently now now um in terms of talking
with Kathy as well as Ben um the mayor
there's been a decision that both of
these projects are going to need to go
to council for final approval for the
review of The Columns that are in the
right of way so these projects most
likely are going to be looked at by tree
commission Bap ARB all of us will you
know have our findings and then that
will then all go to Council in terms of
understanding the appropriateness of the
columns the plantings the structure and
all of
that as a small as side there's going to
be a discussion I think within the city
in terms of understanding semantics of
right you know what is landscape what is
Hardscape what it structure if it has a
foundation within the right of way just
so that we all understand that you know
all of us are on the same team and we
all want to make the city great and we
all want to make sure that it's going to
the proper reviewing bodies with all of
that and so um this is one that kind of
covers all the different areas and so um
just want to give a little background it
kind of it goes to both of these
projects right so this next one is tpg
24-2 RightWay plantings uh project is
located at 141 South Drexel it is a
private residence so per the decision
and record of action of Bap
23-37 on January
21st January 25th 2024 two stone columns
were approved to be placed 12 in behind
the sidewalk in the city right away Bap
preferred the landscape plan to tbgc for
approval a hold harmless agreement was
requested by BAP and has been prepared
by Kathy Rose as a waiting signature at
the time of this writing it had not yet
been decided that you know this is going
to have to go to council as well so
just my comments supersede this two
quarter round beds um are proposed
around the columns that flank the inside
edges of a circular driveway the beds
are approximately 7 feet deep a row of
green velvet boxwoods buxus on the
outside uh curves um are located each
bed while the plan indicates purple
Palace cor balls HRA the owner would
instead like to have four seasons of
annual plants installed while four
seasons of annual color would be
beautiful I have
concerns about what they would actually
be proposed the time frame the expected
length of the plant life for each season
additionally if the homeowner decides to
no longer install for seasons of color
or they move a large portion of the bed
will remain empty if the tree Commission
sees fit to allow four seasons of color
to be installed is the city staff's
recommendation to have the owner provide
additional information on the seasonal
annuals including the proposed plant
material the anticipated lifespan of the
plant material and the in and an
installation schedule there should also
be a condition that if four seasons are
no longer installed a new landscape plan
needs to be submitted for approval if
the tree commission prefers perennials
the purple Palace cor bells are
appropriate to the site I would however
recommend that a smaller perennial and
the 12 in space between the column and
the sidewalk and driveway such as Lori
sorry Mary or dianthus um be installed
to soft from The Edge that can be
proposed by the design um proposed by
the design and submitted for staff
approval apologize should have relooked
at that a little bit more so let's pull
up
um so just so we know we are on um
Drexel Avenue between pal and Elm on the
west
side of the street
and what we are looking at
are the columns located here the row of
boxwoods and then on this particular um
plan talking about the palace purple
Coral Bells and then
just some actual images of what it looks
like
currently on
site so with that I am going
to Pat if you wouldn't mind introducing
yourself into the microphone and then um
let us know where things stand sure I'm
Pat Ryan the owner of Ryan brothers
landscaping um we've been working with
Joyce soul and Bruce soul for quite some
time now they were having an issue where
nobody could see the house see the
address if you notice there's a big huge
Maple in front that personally I've been
trying to get him to take down because
the roots are kind of girdled and it's
blocking the the house so the kind of
median was that we build these pillars
that they could get you know anybody
could see the house we they're lit at
night so that you can see them all
throughout the the day uh we presented
the Coral Bells as a as a plan that
was not looked favorably upon with the
homeowner she wants to see a ton of
color um the boxwood we played with a
couple different species that are
actually Freedom boxwood like the the
new species because she's got boxwood
all over the house we tried to do
inkberry we tried to do everlow and it
just didn't quite match you know if few
look from the street up you can kind of
see the columns then she's got a
beautiful brick or stone front that we
kind of replicated with those columns so
we're trying to kind of repeat the theme
Here by putting the boxwood in and she
does have a ton of color um in front of
the rose bushes and then speckled in
between the boxwoods year in and year
out very adamant about the annuals um I
am constantly having to update you know
it's too cold we'll be there next week
you know but they it's it's and I love
it it's a huge emphasis on it the idea
was the crowd that column um you know
and again I personally feel that like
annual insulation should be kind of like
an expression of you know mood almost
like you know if you're into purples
this year and pinks the next year there
are certain annuals I try to steer away
from is because you know like regular
imp patients would not work there it's
too hot uh so we talked about like New
Guinea or sun patience on like a blush
pink color or a white color to kind of
continue with the trim of the house um
and then moving into like fall you know
she wants to do pansies we put pansies
there right now um and you know again I
I'm worried about
dogs particularly um I've been there
when dogs have saw through by and you
know done their business so we're trying
to stay away some for some of the vinka
uh because I see that burnt out a lot of
places and I know it's GNA be a heavily
trafficked area so that was one of the
reasons that we were staying away from
the perennials and and just taste
basically but we did situate the 141 a
little bit higher so we can't
accommodate you know the annuals that
are get 18 to 24 in tall and not block
and not negate the the entire premise of
the project so that was our thought
process there it is
irrigated um so we're not worried about
you know the watering situation the
souls travel Bunch everything's got to
be kind of on automated which it is
um so that was our thought process on
that
um
that's why I'm
here uh anyone want to speak in
opposition in favor no one questions
from the Tre
commission Susan uh so Mr Ryan do you
talk with the owners at all about a
combination of say something like a low
growing Juniper and perennials so that
there'd always be something there if the
Four Season planting didn't occur we did
sequentially the only thing I could see
how that would work is if we did
something in the front and then like
layered it you know did taller stuff in
the back like if we did L RI or you know
vinka you know as like a border but I
don't know how it would work I don't
know how it would look good on the
pillars just having it on like the back
side of it because it's basically what
we'd be left to on some of the annual
installation I only have about a foot in
between the sidewalk and that pillar so
if I if I'm putting I think it should be
either all perennials or a you know
annuals I I and again I'm not the design
guy I I mean I can't write my own name
um legibly so we were trying to figure
out how do we how can we mix that and
have it have it look good all year round
I guess if we do the front or we do the
Border in perennials and we do the
backdrop that's still going to be open
right like there still be a space you
know if we're doing Sun patients we need
20 24
inches well it's just curious what what
what other options might have been
discussed so it wasn't this or this
was questions
comments
anything goes down to Choice research
and choice I Celeste could you turn your
microphone on thank you um this is a
difficult situation because you are so
close to the the sidewalk and U the
vulnerability of dogs uh it's not just
dogs taking care of their needs but it's
also being trampled so something low
growing in the front that is uh can
withstand uh trampling I think is but
Mary's are s s Mary are well you know
they're very they really do tolerate a
lot and they do um I mean I could see
you know those kind of scattered around
through there and then in the summer you
know putting the the um annuals in and
actually sge I'm sorry to cut you off
Mar I didn't mean to do that sge was uh
talked about for winter winter planting
and and treated as an anel because
there's not a whole lot you know um that
was talked about so I mean s is a big
we're big fans but um yeah I think you
could leave them in year round and then
plant around them too and give it kind
of that filler or thriller or spill
whatever it is Phill
spill but I think it needs some color
you know I I I do but that's the plan we
gonna pack it full of color year round
switch it up in and out so I'm mindful
of ellena's Staff review um and I want
to go back to that um and I don't know
if you'd like to read it again but I
think she's suggesting either a um
planting plan if it's annuals so that um
and knowing that if we approve an annual
planting plan it will have to be
attached to the deed to the house and it
because it would go in perpetuity when
the homeowner sells so do you want to
just refresh us a little bit on that
information so so my my my one concern
with annuals was just you know in terms
of understanding what what that season
is because Ann seasonal annuals means
different things to different people
right so it might be that it is just a
spring plant a summer plant and a fall
plant and then there's nothing there in
the winter um and then you could say
well the boxwoods are there in the
winter but even looking at that you know
right now that feels you know it does
feel a little bit you know kind of empty
so I think that the idea is that if it
is an annual planting plan there needs
to be like a hey these are the plants
that were were doing right and then this
is like this is the time frame where we
anticipate the installation the length
of the time and then when it's switched
out then also with the caveat that you
know if those no longer happen then
something needs to kick in because this
is is planting in the right of way that
does it come back with perennials or
other shrubs or or something I mean my
my one concern is that having something
that um is potentially up to the
homeowner to then be like well I don't
have the budget to do it this year right
I mean doing that all the time that is
beautiful and it's fantastic and it's
commendable that they're doing that but
again it's something that you know if
it's in the city property we know how
expensive you know our potted plants are
and our you know flowers that we have
you know in City Hall just to kind of
understand that so that was more of
trying to make sure that there are some
allowances of if it is an annual
planting plan what are the conditions
that we want to place on that and then
if we decide that it makes more sense to
be perennials then you know what are the
conditions conditions that we place on
that right well I bet Mr Wilson can come
up with the motion that I have one okay
Mr Wilson I move that we approve the
plan subject to a the requirement that
the the homeowner and Ryan brothers
present a planting plan um to our staff
consultant for approval um secondly that
modifications to the planning plan would
need to be presented to the saff
consultant
um those occur um you know third I think
this is implicit but since this is in
the right of way any plantings um that
don't survive would need to be replaced
um and any changes to the planting the
what I think of is the permanent
plannings will need future approval and
then lastly I'm not sure exactly how
this is going to be done but the
homeowner is going to have to convey
this condition to any future owners of
the home um since the prop the prop that
part of property is always going to be
in the right of sure is there a second
to the motion a second is there any
discussion a motion and Maiden seconded
that we approve the planting or we
approve the plan as presented with the
condition that um the uh homeowner and
the landscape architect submit a
planting plan to the staff consultant
any modifications also have to go to the
staff consultant that uh plantings that
die um whether they're perennials or
annuals or shrubs or trees need to be uh
replaced and that um some type of
addenda go on to the deed that um
requires continuous plantings in this
area for the approved planting
plan all those in favor say I I always
oppose same sign okay motion carries
great thank you all have a great night
thank you P yes
please with annuals that they maybe have
another set of annual somewh else on the
property they can replace them that's
what we plan on doing back backup plant
so there's a like in between those box
would we normally do um Bonas and then
on the left hand side there's a pocket
that will do like a vibrant like hot
pink or purple sunp patient New Guinea
and we we're trying to bring all that
into the front the foreground too so
you're welcome thank you okay on we go
let's move forward very patient patient
and the first applicant here wow
394 South Columbia you want a trip to
Hawaii and um the indefatigable Mr
Wilson is giving a speech at Capitol
University law school at 6:15 so we do
not have much room for error here uh oh
of course we could all go come and hear
your speech Jim what is it on what is it
on
oh in three easy
steps all righty so our final project of
the evening is tpg 24-3 RightWay
plantings located at 394 South Columbia
Avenue it is a private residence um so
as background this project was
originally reviewed under application
number tbg 213 as a new build on May
19th 2021 wow like almost three years
ago um the project was approved as
presented mksk has been hired to provide
an update to the landscape plan which
includes three new columns
and plant materials in the right of way
the installation of the columns is on
the 328 Bap agenda since the landscape
plan is intrinsically tied to the
columns the applicant has chosen to come
to the tree commission first to obtain
feedback on the proposed landscape plan
in the right of way um the tree
commission should then provide a
recommendation to Bap including any
desired conditions with the
understanding that while Bap has the
authority to approve the columns they
will defer to the tree commission for
final approval of the landscape plan in
the right of way again superseded by the
comment that we can look at the
landscape plan provide our our comments
and approval and then all of that will
be forwarded to council the request for
the columns um to be in the RightWay is
because there's a large mature oak tree
along the South property line and the
applicant did not want to disturb the
structural Roots by placing the column
outside of the RightWay on the property
Bap recently approved columns 12 inches
from the sidewalk at 141 South Drexel
with the condition that the landscape
plan be approved by the tree commission
a boxwood and ly hedge connect the two
Northern columns and the bed is located
immediately behind the sidewalk it is a
city staff recommendation to provide a
12 to 14 12 to 24in lawn strip
immediately adjacent to the sidewalk so
Mulch and plant material would not
obstruct pedestrian traffic the two beds
around the columns flanking the driveway
can extend to the sidewalk as that is
the typology that exists throughout
Bexley there is a large existing bed
that was present during the tpg
r213 review and still exists today it is
the city staff recommendation to allow
this bed to remain as is and continue to
touch the sidewalk as it provides
landscape screening to the north
neighboring property a revised planting
plan should be submitted to show any
recommended adjustments and can be
approved by City staff and the landscape
improvements outside of the RightWay
while not subject to the review of the
tree commission it should be noted that
they are not only in keeping with the
original design intent approved under
the original plan but also increase the
variety and layering of the plant
material throughout the site so as just
as a reminder for everyone this is what
was approved back in
2021 this is the larger bed that I was
talking about that continues to the
sidewalk and we are looking at the right
of way plantings then along
here so then we've
got just a couple of Street image views
of where this
is and then oh
no well all of us can pretend that we
can see let me see if can't get it any
larger I'm gonna I can get it larger I
don't know if I can rotate
it that's we're good on our side so
there's that and then I also wanted to
just share with this in terms of um the
existing conditions and then um we have
uh Karen McCoy here with mksk um to
present and so you were out doing
measurements right and so I'm going to
let you speak to the landscape plan and
the measurements and some of the things
that you were looking at with
this so as Ellena stated um the owner
purchased present owner purchased the
home while it was uh nearly complete
with construction and the approved
landscape plan had already been
installed uh the homeowner wished to
have more robust landscape increase the
number of trees and the layering as she
said and also make the um porch a little
more private because they use it for
seating and a desire then to kind of
Define the edge of the front yard which
was the idea of putting in the stone
columns at either side of the driveway
and a stone column at the North property
line um the photograph that was shown
was it the
landscape was installed um so you do see
the boxwood hedge the boxwood hedge
right now sits 34 to 3 6 in uh behind
the sidewalk The Columns would be
constructed at 2 foot behind the
sidewalk and the columns are 26 in
square and then so um in order to be in
keeping with um I guess the preference
of the Bexley trim Garden Club
Commission in terms of what they uh
recommend I think with this landscape if
um
you would be an approval of it would be
that the Loria could simply be moved
back um adjacent to the Hedge and then
we could install the sod strip at the
back side of the sidewalk so that would
give you probably an 18inch sod you know
18inch strip of sod which could be
easily mowed then you'd have the layia
and the
boxwood
I think it's fair to say there's no one
here to
oppos members of the commission
questions so Karen ju I maybe I missed
something here so um this was
not this was installed recently or this
was installed for an original the
original plan in 2020 some of the plants
that are there are from the original
plan but the homeowner went did install
the embellished landscape okay so the
box would are within the right away
right so go ahead I just I don't know I
don't know if I should say this or not
but I just don't think it does the home
Justice you know that Lori especially
it's so scraggly I realize it's you know
this time of the year so moving it
probably is a good idea
I personally I'm not in favor of having
mulch right up to the sidewalk at one
point we we we are more strict about it
and I just don't think it's appropriate
and this is there a lot of beautiful
Lawns around there so I'm I think this
um it's just too much
openness I think what we heard though is
that she's gonna gonna get moved back it
it couldve back it could it's still
still both the would in the right here
in the right way yes and they have not
been approved to be in the right way no
correct we're looking at so we could say
it could be removed it could be removed
okay what what are the choices yeah it
could be removed it could stay ly could
Mo move back ly could come out the boxer
could come out I mean I think those are
I didn't hear that necessarily that that
the L the ly would come out I don't
think it's y that's my point of view
that is your yes your out yeah okay Mary
I would have to say the same I just I
don't think it
works Sheila I think the boxwood has the
formality of the home I don't really see
an endorsement of
the Ria I'm sorry I can't hear you I
like the boxwood where it is I don't I'm
not in favor of the planting in front
whether I I think it should be removed
but the boxw I am in favor okay for the
formality so so Karen Mary and I walked
today and I guess I would agree I I this
was the L RI in the Box would was not
the MKS plan was it the Loria in the box
with the MKS plan was for lopy at the
back edge of the sidewalk okay so the
plants were not installed per the
planting in the in the correct location
okay for the planting plan so it was
never MKS did not design a planting plan
that has this much exposed mulch it was
planted tight to the sidewalk
okay um you know I what one of the
challenges that I find in this kind of
planting plan is that it's so close to
the sidewalk that it takes your eye away
from the house and I I I think that's a
disappointment because the house is
quite lovely sits there very well and I
also worried then about how does that
encroach on the right of way now I think
the right of way on Columbia is just
between the curb and the sidewalk
because that's where we have paper bark
maple so it may not affect this site but
that's that's what I always worry about
when we have plannings unlimited
plannings in the RightWay now now where
can we put the trees um I would you know
I would say that the ried has to come
out I would actually say I think the
whole plan would look better if the box
would had some sort of context with the
yard or the lawn you know it's just sign
kind of stuck out there you know like a
flag and I don't I don't think it works
well for the H with the
house or the other point let's move to
Mr
Wilson um well I'm I think I'm with the
rest of the group on the ri I'm um more
agnostic about the boxwood I it wouldn't
be my choice of a plan um and I think
U I think the homeowner does need to
understand that if they stick with the
boxwood given everything that it's
subject to given that it's in the right
of way they're going to have to replace
it prly if any of it
dies um you know I think the personally
I think the home owner would be better
off reconsidering the plan and doing
something that enhance the the house but
if the homeowner really is in love with
this I I I wouldn't force them to take
out the box I would say has to go one of
the um I was going to say more uh global
concerns would be
if let's just say we approved the
boxwood installation and remov of the
riopy and the boxwood fails we have a
lot of failing boxwood and Bexley and
we're kind of boxwood Central here so
then when the next installation goes in
the ink berry it goes back in the same
place so it's kind of like we're
compounding an error we saw by then
allowing another planting to go in where
we perhaps didn't like the planting in
the first place or maybe we did like it
so I I I just want us to be thoughtful
about a motion that either approves this
installation because that would lead the
way for the replacement in that same
right of
way am I not correct
yeah yeah I I'd like to add another
layer of comment about the boxwood in
semi- relation to what Miss quintens was
saying is that it doesn't really quite
relate to the house in fact it actually
parallels and strengthens the line of
the sidewalk and it takes away from the
house so um that's my thought I would
add that this is
not this is not actually a fair
interpretation I know you walked the
site Susan and I think you did have that
opinion um once the columns would be
installed and that boxwood is small it's
going to get much taller and more robust
and it would be trimmed to a formal
hedge and once that happens I think it
would be in keeping with the style of
the house and what is planted back near
the house
um the homeowner actually was interested
in having a fence they definitely would
like to have some demarcation at the
front edge there are a number of homes
on North Drexel around the
275 area that have that kind of scenario
where there's boxwood there's grass
sidewalk grass boxwood and then a stone
wall low stone wall going so she might
want to look at that and see if that
works for her I know that's going into
bigger price range project so um I'm
sorry you're the last one and we've we
we doing columns now but uh one of my
other Global thoughts is by approving
plans are we approving are we giving our
endorsement of columns in the right way
I I think that's I think that's a
separate question and I'm not sure by
approving a plan and then making it
ready that that is a positive or A
negative message to the the other bodies
because uh we're not really able to talk
about the columns right and so I I'm
concerned that oh they approved the plan
so they must like the
columns again right you know so tying of
approval to the columns is an issue Mr
Wilson so I have a suggestion okay could
become a motion you know I don't want to
make this harder on the homeowner but
the columns haven't been approved at
this point and we don't know what city
council's going to do about that I would
suggest that um we table this till next
month um if we will know I think by then
whether I mean if if city council
doesn't act that quickly we table it
till later but I'd like to know whether
the columns are going to be in the fact
I I have a little concern that I'd like
to hear think about when you said the
the Box wit are going to become a hedge
I do have a bit of a concern about a
hedge in the right of way um I know
believe we in the time I've been on
Mission we've ever approved a hedge in
the right of way um so I'd like to think
about that and as you said the columns
do impact the overall design I I would
say if the city council says no columns
then I would really urge the property
owner to reconsider this whole design as
I said I'm not trying to make it harder
on the property owner but I just
think in light of all those
considerations we'd be better off seeing
what city council does there there 's
also I think um you
know an an eighth option right I mean I
understand that the homeowner wants to
have that front lawn definition right
and that row of boxwoods would have that
it according to the plan it looks like
behind the sidewalk the right away is
only about five feet so there is also an
option for that
entire
boxwood area to be moved back five feet
and then you have a five foot lawn panel
there's no planting in the right of way
for a hedge if the tree commission is
concerned about that right I mean that's
obviously up to the the homeowner but I
mean that that's something that you know
in terms of not trying to split hairs
but there was a project on Dawson that
did come before the tree commission
about a year or so ago that they wanted
to have a row of boxwoods in the right
of way and the tree commission said no
um they said you can put it back on your
property line and your bed there because
it that condition did not exist now
Columbia is a slightly
different street right there because
there are existing Hedges so up the
street North up on Columbia in the newb
build right there are a row of taxes and
there different things and so that
typology does exist it did not exist in
on Dawson and that was why the tree
commission made that decision so this
has a slightly different ruling but it
is something that you know it it would
set a precedent for future houses to
potentially put a a hedge row of
boxwoods in the right of way but it
could be something that if the homeowner
realizes okay well I didn't understand
maybe that I wasn't allowed to plan in
the right away then what would happen is
that the if the columns are there and
the columns are approved then the
landscape around would also still have
to be improve looked at by the tree
commission but that that is a smaller
bed than you know 100 foot linear bed in
the right of way along the column were
not in the right of way we on the
private property would they have to be
approved by city council no okay I will
say I commend the property owner for its
concern with the Oak and putting the
columns where they they are and that way
it's in my consideration I just think we
need to know what city council does
before we can
really understand yeah we see it but
it's right
there the big tree that they're talking
about is right there I apologize that
it's so dark Mr Wilson do you a
motion the
application by city
council is there a second I'll second
that is there any
discussion a motion to maid and seconded
that we table the application until we
have a decision from City Council on the
on the columns um all those in favor say
I I all those oppose same sign the
motion carries Karen I'm so sorry thank
you
you know like no good deed goes UNP
punished coming early and being the last
one so I but it's good to see you it's
good to see you as
well yeah okay and when you come back
you'll go first oh okay okay so but I I
would still like as a commissioner to
talk about um you know whether or not we
as a body want to provide
recommendations to City Council on the
appropriateness of approving
installations like columns in the right
of way yes be because to my point you
know all all those all those kind of
things installations wider drives um
flag poles uh what what else have we
seen there uh you know I was going to
say telephone boost but I'm not sure
that's in the right way you know really
hamper our ability to increase canopy
CLS it it clouds it CLS it to to me I
don't I don't think I don't have an
issue with any of these columns because
these columns typically are immediately
adjacent to driveways and then usually
it's not than in an area where there's a
tree that is super close to that so it
it might be that
if that there are a series of things of
like hey before there's a final approval
best wishes Jim good let Jim yeah break
a leg go knock it out of the park the
other aspect I do think that city
council needs to consider is like maybe
the whole har does this but making sure
that they're actually
maintain I mean there's nothing worse
than a Decay call unless you're trying
to get run into also yeah run into the
yeah whole it's nice to have those
visible addresses though because Bexley
does have a problem with that I do
appreciate the columns writing the
visible address yeah and that and that
that typology does exist throughout
Bexley having columns that demarcate
property boundaries it is a very classic
it is a very kind of old englishy type
you know kind of feel and some of the
more estate type homes they have those
right oftentimes I think that some of
the the homes that are bigger right
maybe say in North Beckley they have
they have the ability and they have the
space to kind of pull things back a
little bit further from the sidewalk
just because they have a bigger front
yard they have so you know to me it's
more that I don't I don't have an issue
with the columns as long as the columns
are looked at holistically and are
looked at hey has this been reviewed by
the City Arborist has it been reviewed
by Grant and Spencer have they looked at
to sort of say like hey if you're doing
this we we have a tree there or is it
going to impact a tree or not I mean I
think that this is a very Collective
kind of everyone needs to potentially
kind of come together kind of look at it
and kind of say like hey these are
things that we understand that as a tree
commission if it's a structure and it
has a foundation we're not supposed to
look at it but just so you know you know
where are the utilities where are the
down spouts as far as trees are
concerned I think proximity to the
driveway plays a huge role because in
general we're not planting trees that
are within 3 feet of a driveway if we
can avoid it yeah because it's not good
for the tree right okay okay it would be
the one then that is marking the
property down the road on the other side
right or or if you have a if you have a
tree that or that you could get in two
trees and you've already lost the column
and the planting bed to Crown the column
and it's three feet from the driveway or
whatever it is how many feet are you
actually taking away it's just not it
does extrapolate yeah right you got
three feet from the driveway 24inch
column A planting bed of two feet so
let's see how many is that three four
five six seven and if you do that on
both ends that's 14 feet and if you
plant something 20 feet on Center 25
feet on Center
so Ellen I know that um we're not the
most important Commission on the Block
but I'm wondering I'm wondering about
trying to bring um the people involved
with this discussion together rather
than sending a hundred emails to other
people and saying you know I don't know
if it's you Karen and Kathy I you and
Karen Kathy Spencer and Grant yeah but I
I think there should be some
understanding of of the problems and the
and you know let let's just say the
opportunities right so one I did have a
conversation with Karen prior to this
meeting just to get her thoughts on this
right I had talked to Kathy about this
and Karen is a aware also of this is
going on because she also understands
that oftentimes then a column may or may
not be architecturally appropriate to
the home or proportionally may or not be
an appropriate design to the home it
might be too tall too squat too skinny
too fat whatever right so there there
this is an issue that I don't think it
has anything to do with um which
commission is more important I think all
of us have an important role to play in
terms of where our you know kind of our
areas of expertise are but I think that
this is one where we certainly can all
work together and say hey here if this
is happening these are the concerns from
the B app these are the concerns from
the ARB and this is the concern from the
tree commission and I think having some
kind of
holistic wellth thought out you know
kind of just even an explanation hey
these are things that need to be
considered to present to city council to
me makes the most sense right so that
city council knows that you know all
three people have talked right Aaron
Kathy and I are all talking about it but
to understand is like hey does this
impact Street tree placement because I
think that to me the the the concern is
setting a precedent that everyone thinks
that that they can do it and then all of
a sudden someone realized well you can't
because there's a tree there and then
why could this person do it and not this
person right so that's where you know
that kind of a problem I mean so and so
both installations both drexal and
Columbia already have installations
those people have plants those people
have columns right yeah and actually
five feet what did we say 5 feet seven
inches behind the sidewalk for right of
way I think I will double check with
Kathy in terms of what that is and
confirm what it is I don't want to say
that's substantial but it's not ins
substantial for planning us no no it's
not it's definitely not we could get
something in there Spen we have smaller
tree lines with trees so what we have
smaller tree lines five feet with trees
yes yes we've had pork trees and three
feet and some of yeah look at dale dale
you know that's probably just a few feet
right right one of the things that Ellen
was talking about is um I'm thinking
trying to keep the scale
correct which is to many people visual
but maybe there is some sort of ratio we
could come I agree with that I agree
with that 24 in
column on a 125 foot wide property may
be appropriate yeah or maybe not yeah
yeah but then be careful what you wish
for because the bigger the column the
more issues with tree size so but maybe
if they were moved out of the RightWay I
mean I mean again to less points some
sort of ratio yeah I will probably I'll
follow up with Karen about whe or not
the homeowner is interested in moving
that boxwood installation at the very
minimum just out of the right of way I
mean well I think actually they have to
well well yeah yeah I mean it's not
approved
right really quickly the c one the
caveats would be like and on Stanberry
someone just put some Stone posts up in
there they have gas to gas and if
somebody took a corner or didn't take a
corner right then you're just crashing
into an open gate gas L line of sorts I
I'm not a professional on that but that
could be
dangerous okay so um is there anything
else to come before the good of the
order so we can get Spencer on the road
back to
Springfield or
Indianapolis safe yeah all right our
meeting is a journ thank
you