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here Jim Wilson here uh Charlie flower
not here yet uh alternate Barb Gill here
Audrey Young is traveling Alinda znik
here okay and then as um representing
the city and as our uh would say
computer expert today City Forester
assistant service director father Grant
Archer here I'm here okay so I am going
to turn the meeting over to Jim Wilson
who has kindly thoughtfully humbly
chaired the planting and tree
maintenance uh study group for the last
several months so Jim take it away
through the blistering pace of our work
um we do plan to to increase the speed
but um so thank you all for being here
the our little subgroup thought it would
be useful to have a
conversation um where we had some real
time to talk about um the issue of our
street trees and
particular whether um we should maintain
our historic approach which has been the
single species on each segment of our
roads or whether we should depart from
that structure to plant um multiple
species whatever that might mean uh on
some or all roads and then secondly to
take a look at the list that we have of
Street trees assigned to different
segments of our roads now and um before
we jump into that discussion I do um
think I owe folks an apology I was
looking at some comments um um and there
the the spreadsheet that I sent you I
probably didn't offer enough
explanation um and Grant can correct me
if I'm wrong about this but there's
there's four tabs to it and one the
first one's called species but that's
not necessarily species that we're
currently planting is my understanding
because like it still has a couple
species of Ash on it and I don't see
those on any of the actual streets that
we're still
planning
yes right so they may they they may be
still on the city but if you go to the
North Central and South tabs that's the
current list of what we're planting to
replace trees or fill inre do you have
copies of those or should we get copies
oh that's what I promised to bring I
didn't do that um yeah I can go get
copies he which one is it I have you had
yours it was thank you
grant so there's there's different tabs
there's one that's called recommended
Street trees and it says at the top last
updated
3701 that's what I was talking about in
terms of as Grant describes it that's
those are trees that have been planted
but not necessarily the current species
of trees and then there's one that that
on the tab is called North and on the
top of it says city of Bexley North
recommended Street trees in its last
updated January 22nd
2013 and that would be the current list
for North Bexley and then there's
similar ones for Central and South
Bexley and it looks to me like they were
all updated in January of
2013 I do I I do think and Linda you
jump in here that there have been
updates since then
because I remember you bringing some
species forward in August when I wasn't
here a few years ago and um I think Jim
was chairing uh just because I remember
looking at them and writing them down
and you know putting them on to my
master sheet yeah they have been I mean
and this was started way back when uh
you know Jim toris and I toured the city
and created the list to begin with to
see what was on the streets and then
went ahead and uh then come up and
worked with Grant stuck be
recommended I said I think there there
are updates since 2013 Jim that may
added but but the date may not have been
changed and maybe Grant will be able to
clarify that for us when he gets back I
know that for instance
there are some that are highlighted in
yellow and so maybe those are updates
so and one one one more thing um on some
on some streets Grant and Mark Moore
before that had recommended a secondary
species um maybe to change out or just
because of different conditions
um
so it's a work in progress to your point
to yeah thank
you thank you
Brant thank
you um one question Grant the ones that
are
highlighted are those
um those recently CH okay so those would
have been after this last update date
that's at the top yeah that 20 13 is not
accurate change
to that
tree so is everyone clear on the list um
so my suggestion would be that we begin
with a conversation about um
monoculture um and whether we um want to
continue our existing practice of
planting one species uh per segment of
street because some streets there's a
segment that's planted with one tree and
then because of wires or different
conditions with all that sort of thing
we have a different species um um and um
and so I think that's sort of an opening
issue for our little working group is um
do we want to
maintain that um or do we want to
there's all kinds of possibilities you
you know you could from one you could
continue our current practice and go all
the way to the Other Extreme which at
least if I read Arlington's website
they've got like a list of trees that a
resident can choose to plant in front of
their house they have other streets that
are like ours where it's all one street
tree but then in some residential
neighborhoods if I'm reading it
correctly you can plant from a list of
20 trees
um I wonder Jim to um help move this
along in a more empirical way rather
than an opinion way if we should um all
make a table together of what are the
advantages of one system and the
advantages of a second system and maybe
the same the liabilities of each of
those systems I'd be happy to try to
record a table um here so should we
start with the advantages
of monoculture I think I I don't love
the word monoculture because it sort of
has negative connotations that there's
no flexibility in it but it's an easy
term to apply so um maybe we could start
with the ter with monoculture and then
um
um we then secondarily get to positives
about um more variety in our in our
plannings um so I am ready to hear input
on
monoculture I can't think of any
advantages of a mon very very stting I
think Mary that's more that's we closing
argument I have to go back to litigation
school well I say that because
everything that I've read and based on a
lot of the research that I did in order
to St to be prepared for today you know
is basically saying you know at this
point in time monocultures aren't you
good thing to do anymore so that being
said um perhaps ease of maintenance for
Grants crew if you had
multure that's good point yeah I I'd say
efficiency I mean Grant we're we're sort
of assuming that what we're saying is
correct if you disagree please say so
yeah no it is I mean when it comes to
Street tree planting which is what we're
talking
about yeah I don't it's it's easy to say
I need 12 spots on Drexel or 12 Maples
going
in if
efficient I think I mean when the list
was first put together Jim and I drove
every street and then we took the
dominant Tree on that street and then
created the that monoculture with the
idea that that street would not have
adjacent street that had the same
species so you're not I mean monoculture
on the street but then you have a
variety going down and also it was
aesthetically pleasing I mean for part
of the concern and problem we have with
the previous service director was that
whatever he had growing in the nursery
threw it in somebody's yard and it just
looked so you know aesthetically so I
would think another Advantage would be
consistent
profile what they say you know studies
show that you know U Treeline streets
slow down traffic and you're really only
going to get that look if you're
planting all the same
tree which we did on you know casting
the little trees that we put along when
they flower they look really look
lovely so so if we again if we think
about that as an advantage I would say
um impact of like
Mass uh I mean to your point of all I
think those are crabs like they on
casting C on casting Oaks behind them
yeah so so going back to the argument of
not which I realiz is was all part of my
question for Grant
um going back to the monoculture Define
a monoculture though I mean having one
street filled with all crabs is that a
monoculture or is it a monoculture when
a certain percentage of your plantings
are all the
same well that's a great question I mean
I don't know the it's individually
defined I mean I I don't think we we
might have a handful of streets that are
are defined as mon culture but most of
our streets are very
diverse um in that aspect but um yeah I
for for my purposes I'm defining
monoculture is what's in our list of
approved Street trees so what are we
replanting where there are potential
planting spots and should it be I mean I
think it probably varies by most every
street how much variety there is but for
our purposes I'm just defining mon
culture is what's in the tree lawn that
we have the ability to plant and what
would we replace a tree with if if one
were removed today um and no more than
that because I I would wager there's not
a single Street in Beckley where the
plantings behind the property line at
all are the same as in the tree lawn so
in that sense I don't think there's any
monoculture in Backle well for instance
I live on Stanberry and I think the
recommended Street tree is Sycamore
and yet we have two Oaks in our yard and
was it Siberian or Chinese Elm that came
down uh Chinese Elm Chinese Elm and then
north of it is a maple and then there's
honey locust so um but you still have 25
C on your
right2 thank you Sheila for that
clarifications director I would also
suggest that um one of the positives of
selecting a single Street tree is that
conditions vary planting conditions
vary in the right of way from Street to
Street and sometimes from block to
block
soil I think wasn't that part of the
reason that they chose specific trees
for certain streets and
um I'm sure that Mary has some good
wisdom for us to hear but I do think
there's a Clarity of Aesthetics and um a
vision from the public and people that
live on the street there is a beauty
about keeping the same I'm biing my
timeing your time I I I would add
another one which is what I would being
the lawyer call administrability I mean
as soon as you have more than one
species then you're going to have people
telling Grant in my view well I don't
want the maple that's approved on my
street I want the oak that's approved
for my street and so you know you it
does to me seem more difficult to
administer something where there are
multip unless we're just going to say
we're still in charge sorry you don't
get any choice but that it's harder to
do when there's a variety of trees so
that's does we we rename it then
that they that they have no choice or
let's say limited limited yeah I mean
yeah it makes my job much easier when
it's this is what's what you're getting
um it would be difficult to contact a
resident and say these are your five
options you
know or two options it would be yeah
because there'd be a lot of back and
forth and such a limited window that we
do plant
trees so did you call you made that into
administ I called it I called it
administration because I couldn't um
figure out how to spell administrability
do we have other positives
or whether we're going to call it
monoculture or single I'm G to suggest
affordability I again I'm I I need your
input on this grant I would guess if
you're buying
12 um Sycamore for sandbury it may be
more cost effective than if you buy one
Sycamore one white oak one Shingle Oak
one Maple I don't know that H not
necessarily I mean fact of the matter is
we're buying 200
trees um if they were 200 different
species I still think we would get the
same discount as if they were 200 of the
same species okay is there um is there
any significant difference between the
price of different species
yes so like an oak tree would be very
much more you know I'd say $400 versus a
maple that's $200 but a maple gets two
inches quicker than an oak does so
that's why there's a difference in
price I think that not giving people
option extremely good idea because
yeah know what
happen options and if you want to see
what looks like when somebody replaces
the stre tree without asking anything
there are plenty of places that have
really plenty trees in the street line
in the tree line where people have just
put in what they wanted you know what
they like so and I think the the visual
just what you were saying the visual
part is just I think that's very
important and can we extend a category
of Aesthetics about if one has a
distinctive shape if you go to another
type that is so alternate that it may
not be appropriate and there might be
some trees that we match up that a large
tree could be with a smaller tree or
something like that cap cap visual
capability
visual
adaptability well we did we did list um
I think consistent profile consistent
profile consistent profile okay I mean
it doesn't I mean that's the beauty of
planning in a single culture if does
that sound better than monoculture
single culture huh
sure none of it sounds good to
Mary do you have other any other
positives about um a single a plan that
follows a single tree per street are we
ready to move on to the advantages of um
variety or I would say that residents at
least you know have know what to expect
basically if they're used to seeing you
know certain trees on tree bonds you
know like everybody knows an oak
or well I was also thinking of um when
we talked about efficient of you
planting you know 12
or I'm also thinking of the the end of
life Journey so as we know we had some
challenges on Park VI on the west side
and um those trees came down and they
all came down and then they were all
replanted and I keep thinking if you had
let's say 400 ash tree on 400 ash trees
in the um Tree Lawn and they all died
and from Emerald ashb and you had to go
around the city to 400 different spots
how different that is than if you had
them on a single Street or five single
streets where you could just go through
take them all down in PL so I don't know
if that counts in the efficiency
category Jim both beginning of Life and
end of life or not and Grant again I
value your opinion is that helpful to be
able to you know to mobilize once and
take down everything and replant or is
it you know doesn't make much difference
I don't think we're such a small if it
was city of Columbus I'd say yeah you're
probably right but we're not that big
and it takes us two to three minutes to
get one location
okay all right anything
else um so advantages of um how would
you like to phrase this
Mary would you like to go first Mary
okay all right anyone besides Mary want
to offer us any advantages of diversity
well sure so if you you know if you have
a um a single culture or or what should
we say the majority of the culture on
one street and there's a
disease um then they're wiped out I mean
then your shade is all gone your
canopy's all gone you kind of made a
naked Street or a Bieber or
aie and if you have um a a greater
diversity of cultures then um no Street
would be negative
right
Sheila you can pass I will pass right
now I'm next to the Thinker and it's a
lot of pressure so I think education
just visual
education be able to enjoy the different
parts that nature is offering the
variety that relates to young
children that means all of our community
can enjoy it
okay pick a pass I think that you the
whole idea of the you don't wipe out
everything at once it's
really Advantage diversity
was it it was beach trees last year that
had a
problem it hasn't moved this way yet
though I don't believe has it green not
that I'm aware of okay I they're all GNA
have a problem right sass press has a
problem well yeah I mean you you can any
Street tree any tree planted has some
kind of insect or disease that could
potentially take it out so I
mean that's a factor I think that's the
biggest Factor is the fact that you
don't want to create a Golden Corral
buffet for insects coming in and just
working their way right down the street
especially if you've got 22 sycamores in
a row and you've got something that
comes in you potentially could lose
every tree on that block right yeah that
that's the biggest disadvantage to it
that's really the only one I could think
of well even looking at Charlie's
information that he sent over the fact
that there's some that get interested
that are very
high very low or like don't bother
anymore um I think you know I think
there's an advantage to diversity um
especially say for
example Grant help here with this you
know there's very there's so many
different kinds of Oaks that we could
potentially be planting are are
different species of Oak as prone
perhaps to the same types of illnesses
and viruses and insights uh no so you
have different families so Red Oaks and
White Oaks Red Oaks tend to the oak w a
lot more than White Oaks do I mean that
that would be the difference in that um
but when it comes to Insects they're
they're really not
spe they take whatever they want so but
I'm saying though if there's a specific
light to a particular type of tree say
you have um a like a chinker pin oak and
next to it's a shur Oak and next to that
a pin oak I mean you got Oaks is it you
know does it Target all three of those
or is it only targeting the shoe part or
you know it depends but yeah I mean so
you have you mentioned two White Oaks
and a red oak so it'll probably
depending on if you do oak wlt it'll hit
the pen Oak first versus the the shmar
Oak and the the chinka pen Oak okay so
my thought was you know oak trees are
you they're they're just such good trees
to plant um does it Mak sense to
diversify our collection of Oaks versus
and maybe I'm getting off the subject
matter here
um what I'm saying perhaps diversity
within the species would be more to our
advantage
than maple
Oak you know I think that's appropriate
topic but maybe after we sort of finish
our our chart
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um
um so do are there
other well I was going to just say so in
talking with
talking with Charlie and then I'm
talking with um Luke they said that
planting in single cultures is out of
date so so it reminds me of a little bit
of golf courses which planted a lot of
trees in the 40s and 50s to shade the
grass and then they decided about a
decade ago to cut down all the trees
because the grass was too shady and they
wanted more sun so I I do have a sense
these thoughts are cycal um I don't know
if that's an advantage or not but I
would say that one of the advantages is
now the culture is to plant in a diverse
a much more diverse I think that's the
current thinking that doesn't mean it's
always going to be that way but that I
think that's the current thinking I'd
also suggest that there is a difference
between maybe um Street tree planting in
an organized first rength suburb and in
other kinds of communities when I've
driv I've driven in Grand VI Dublin New
Albany Upper
Arlington recently and at least the
streets I've been on they've all been
single
cultures they've all been single
cultures there's our opportunity to be
different no so but so I'm thinking so
I'm thinking again you know these are
pretty organized communities you a lot
of them are in grids and so perhaps the
the um now I don't know what what I
which if this is advantage or not but
I'm assuming that the single culture
sort of aligned with the landscape plan
of the communities at that time and that
the and the architecture and the
architecture and the diversity um uh
doing it in uh diversity was not as u a
favorable elastic architecture technique
for
mhm
so know I think part of that you know so
is an advantage it is an advantage if we
had a more
diverse uh culture of trees because our
architecture is more diverse here than
in other
communities kind of well is it an
advantage because of the fact that if
you do have something that comes in and
wipes out a specific type of tree and
everybody around you is losing all their
trees but yet you are immune because you
don't have you know a
monoculture and where does climate
change come into this factor and
discussion that's a pretty strong
element I think even more so than
insects well I think you have to um
identify trees that can survive the
types of climate changes that we expect
to experience so you know take for
example this summer I'm sure we've lost
trees as a result of this drought oh
yeah so are we planting trees that are
going to be drought resistant right and
then are we planting that can tolerate
the Heat and um again looking at what
Charlie had provided us um you know I
think a lot of what we have already will
meet those those two criteria but we
vers
and bring in new species new cultivars
maybe you know that's that's hard to it
all depends on what the nurseries are
growing you know no one's going to bet
put their all their money in in a tree a
new tree that's never really been tested
and
um or even existing cultivars that we
haven't looked at correct again you know
people it's all depends on what the
nurseries are growing I mean you know
the money makers are Maples and Oaks um
and that's what they're going to you
know mostly grow now it depend it's all
about where you get it from so the
further south you go for nursery you
know they're going to be more tolerable
to the current zones that we have today
so I mean that would be what you would
want to switch up not necessarily you
know a maple grown in Canada is going to
do not so good here versus something GRE
that was grown in Tennessee or
Georgia Grant not to T to uh toss out
our um fishing line too far at the bait
but our Target how common or how um
realistic is it for us to hope that
there are more cultivars coming down the
road is is it mostly the universities
that are doing this and and as in
experimenting and developing better
cultures or is it the nurseries that do
it it's not Acorn Farms it's not you
know a Browns Nursery it's it's the
universities that are testing the stuff
what about Morton do they I mean Morton
are bedum I know that they're very I
don't know that they have a nursery they
don't it's just okay they they could be
yeah so know that um you know they're a
different C price coming out now and are
they
typically um grown in specialty
nurseries I mean you know I hear about
the specialty nurseries that are around
Ohio but I have have any any idea about
them or any that seems access to them
and I'm keep wondering again if you get
a you know one of the new cultivars it's
supposed to be better do you have access
to 80 of those or 100 of those or 20 of
those yeah no I mean if you look at the
maples there's probably a thousand
different kinds of sugar Maples out
there and each one of those Maples were
designed to tolerate something that the
one before couldn't tolerate
anymore right so that's why they have so
many different varieties of them um
which that's an easy species to switch
up when it comes to the Hardy rubber
tree as on Sherwood OR the London plane
I mean they're not making different
species of those they're changing the
shapes of them you know you can get more
upright or weeping varieties of those
but they're not they're not really
testing out
different how do you find out what
available is there like a um barous RS
group you know no you can go on like
Acorn Farms you can go on their website
and it'll they give a list of
availabilities but I mean as far as like
changing your inventory or anything like
that do you do you
have a society of ERS that you know chat
about these things and say hey look at
this what we've done here in you
know some city in the United States no
that's more of the the nursery uh
industry arborists are really kind of
there for maintenance and um um and and
pruning and tree health of what's
existing uh you need to get into like
the nursery part of it which they have
their own little uh sub group um and
they're not really arborous they're just
uh you know plant experts and and so
you'd have to go that route so I can't
call up Acorn farm and say Hey you know
we need to start planting oage orange
you know they're going to look at me and
say that's stupid we're not going to do
that they don't
well they're not going to sell enough to
invest money to plant a thousand of them
in hopes that they're going to sell five
10 years right that's the bet anything
planted Now isn't going to be available
for another five years so that's the
investment that they have to
make then clearly we need our own
your we used to have one did you think
that was a good thing
uh no it was no I don't think it was
that's all you need another Avenue to go
down I think it'd be super fun but you
probably have to be outside sounds like
a project for morsy to me
yeah let we let the mayor know we'll let
the mayor know that that's what we want
has their own Nursery so they you know
they can they can invest in that where
you know because it's not a money maker
for them but these other nurseries you
know the bottom dollar is what they're
so have we um exhausted the advantages
of
diversity tree climbing tree climbing
what do that mean that means enjoying
for uh enjoying have people the a Comm
again the community
enjoying the trees a different in a
different way the experience of them
well we do the
Maple um maple syrup
too I think that's for the the uh their
own trees in their yards I don't think
we want to encourage anyone climbing
City
trees do you agree with that
Grant uh yeah I don't know that you
know it's Climbing doesn't hurt it's the
sudden stopping at the end when they
fall um so we've sort of created some
advantages and disadvantages I could and
review those um that' be good um so what
what I have um and correct me if I've
gotten any of this wrong and I think
some of these overlap with one another
for um the single Street tree approach
I'm calling it um ease of Maintenance
efficiency aesthetically pleasing
consistent
profile um consistency of trees slows
traffic
uh like
Mass conditions vary from Street to
Street um so that could include right of
way with the soil how much salt
particular streets get um it I'm going
to call it
Administration um um avoiding sort of
homeowners becoming demanding in terms
of what's planted in front of their
residents
affordability um
price differential um and Resident
residential
expectation then under advantages of
diversity I have risk of disease wiping
out a street uh education as to
varieties um I think this may be similar
to the first one but it was too well
described to not include the Golden
Corral buffet for insects um
uh I mean my experience with golden Crow
is that might Wipe Out the insects
but I shouldn't have said that in a
public
meeting uh monoculture is out of date um
climate change resilience and then uh
Celeste tree climbing yes yes
residential value of our our tree
ones so that's that's what I have um you
know we we we have about 15 minutes
before we have to convene our regular
meeting um and we can you know assuming
we move through our agenda with
reasonable dispatch we can come back to
this subject but I think it might be
useful to turn to sort of the street
tree list I know that some of you have
put some significant time into looking
at our existing Street tree list and so
I would say we can we should turn to
that and get some of that input um
because if we run out of time today at
least your your little task group will
have that input to to to use in our next
meeting if that's all right with
everyone sure um I was wondering if if
Grant had um you know crossed or exed
some of these out as being no no to
plant I wouldn't say no NOS I know on
Denver uh we can no longer get the A Mir
cork
tree no no nurseries are
growing so we we definitely need to
think of something for
Denver
um and that's on the
North if you're
looking that's the only thing that that
is stuck out I mean the the Golden Rain
trees nobody wants them nobody likes
them but they they're beautiful when
they're
mature but once they're mature then
what's the lifespan after that it seems
to me that once they get to the place
that people love them then they've got
like three years left yeah they don't
have much and you know
uh so that that is another species that
could be looked at
um I was talking with Grant before this
about my position on the um Kentucky
coffee tree and he it's part of the um I
guess is it part of the family of the
buck guy no it's not okay but he was
saying of course most of us know that
the Buckeye nut is is
poisonous and people really enjoy it
enjoy them and gather them so I think
that that's a keeper but then after we
Grant and I spoke I also looked up the
specifics of what's poisonous of the
coffee Tre and it is everything that's a
part of it basically it's the leaves
it's the bark it's the um the nut as
well
and I wouldn't want to be the last I
just had a friend visited a friend and
in her neighborhood in their median they
have Kentucky coffee trees they don't
like them sticky mess she said they're
the dirtiest trees oh okay yeah she said
that was a mistake planning it
interesting looking with the light
coming through the leaves so
aesthetically that part in the fall we
have them currently right U South
Stanwood stwood yeah um and are we do
you get complaints about them Grant no
um and celest your suggestion was plant
more of them less less okay so you two
are on the same page okay I I think
they're a little bit more risky from the
toxic side if we make list of trees that
are toxic that would be probably the
lead one but Grant would know that more
than anybody else here or maybe Mary
they toic to
animals yeah not
both so when you see
squirrels Birds they're toxic they
probably don't go there I don't know I
have them on my street
soar to squirrels I have no problem but
birds if they wipe out squirrels I'll
take a couple I'll take
several I was going to have us at South
and the pear tree the Cleveland select
pair have we changed that out on Aster
west of
Sheridan in South it's the second one
down west
of Select yeah those are
um excuse me
we don't have any Street trees on Aster
west of Sheridan west of Sheridan we
don't that heads into the Schneider Park
Schneider Park yeah I don't think we
have much of a rideway there and we put
in sidewalk not too long ago yeah I was
thinking about that did we we didn't
plant anything into the neighbor's yards
right no and there isn't there isn't a
ride of way behind the sidewalks there I
don't think no there is a so would have
to be a really tiny tree because I don't
tiny tree or a an agreement with the or
with okay so we'll just cross that off
and just say no right away yeah and then
uh North Remington I which I disagree
with this but the Norway Maples on the
evasive species
list but I on the states OD andrs yeah
okay that Amer pork tree too is
considered invasive now which might be
the reason might be reason why we can't
buy it yeah but I have to tell you they
have done well in in a very impossible
right right oh it's it's like two feet 2
and a half three feet and they have even
have some
candy so where did you say that was the
Norway maple on Remington North North
Remington
yeah which I you know I would suggest
keeping it because it is a pretty tree
but well just don't plan anymore right
is that what you're saying no we still
plan it oh you do it is known to be a
problem you know the problem to who I
don't I mean I I just State list is that
would that be your guide to say sorry I
can't do it uh I mean nurseries are
still selling it it's still on this list
so sell all kind of stuff that people
shouldn't plan but no Grant one of the
um you know one consideration I think of
paig Ken brought up is um can we uh note
on some of these streets when the wires
end for instance on like um Colum South
columia there are wires and so we have
paper bark maple under those but then at
a certain place and I don't know where
because I didn't look the wires are gone
I mean maybe they went underground maybe
they went behind into some sort of
alley um do you don't have any idea do
you grant where that happens I know it
happens on Drexel someplace maybe north
of around
Powell uh yeah I mean I we could
definitely take note of that
um and um I mean the two places I'm
thinking of right now are Drexel and and
then I think at um on Park viiew you
know north of uh or just south of the
shottenstein home on the West Side the
lines are buried right there as they
continue North so but they we have Oaks
planted there they'd be what they're
Oaks that are planted there oh Oaks that
are planted okay the only street that we
have two two different species to plant
on either west side or east side is is
Colombia because Drexel we still
planting Maples right all the way down
regardless of the power lines or not and
how do you feel about
that uh I I definitely think we should
switch up something on Drexel and the
same on H College underneath the power
lines because those trees are just
getting
butchered do those um those lilac
trees story yeah we could I this I know
this group is not a fan of Japanese Tri
lilac but that that could be a that
could be definitely a tree that could be
planted there what would you I mean if
you think about the fact again let's
just say that we wanted something in the
same profile as the the sugar Maples are
behind sidewalk
right uh no they're on the east side
they're between a curb and
sidewalk on the west side there are a
few behind the sidewalk are we talking
about brexo or college or sorry uh
College college on Drexel we have red
Maples between a curban sidewalk and
sugar Maples behind the sidewalk so if
you're talking about what would be I
guess it'd be a small tree because a red
maple is a mediumsized tree right so
we're going to grow into the lines what
would it be underneath there then would
maybe have a similar Red Leaf I mean the
red leaves on Drexel now are pretty
exciting in the fall so what would turn
red like that calie pair how about burn
are you familiar with that one that's a
Dark Tower black
ball is is it a shrub or a tree no it's
a tree it makes a nice small street tree
under wires according what I found yeah
I I have not heard of that one
so
syring Beijing
Golding another small street
tree yeah a lot of these syringes were
suggested um also some birches
bring out those beavers river right
amazing the Red Buds I don't knows are
not a Prett I they look so much better
when they're kind of tucked along you
know the edge of the forest and some of
those red bus on in the South part
of Y although I I would say that I get
more praise for the red bud that's on
the corner of my lot than any other tree
that I've got I what else do you
have I've got my River Birches I've got
I've got I mean I've got ornamental
trees people I mean throughout the year
I I think it looks great in the spring
I'm more ambiguous about it than the
rest of the year but people come by my
house all the time and say we love that
tree yeah spring there is do you have
any trees that you feel we've uh that
you like that we've underused as a small
tree in Bexley Grant or that some that
you understand the nurseries are growing
now because they're coming into
favor uh no I'm not really up to date on
what exactly the nurseries or or new
trees that they're they're bringing out
um I I mean I think we use our current
species list well um well we an
opportunity to find a couple of new ones
that we could you know maybe test out
and add to the overing would that be a
possibility yeah that I mean that's what
tree commission's here for they're the
ones that decide that so so uh Grant is
it
possible for someone from Acorn to come
and talk to us about what they see as
the new wave of plantings I mean I feel
a little bit I guess unschooled
about you know what they're doing and it
seems to me they're probably the most
popular Nursery or the most accessible
Nursery that we have they're the biggest
here in Columbus right I mean and and as
nurseries go they're kind of small oh
they are other nurseries uh in in
Ohio but I I mean I can call and ask see
if there's someone that's willing to
come and discuss this that' be great for
me because I'm just you know otherwise
I'm just like you know Mary trying to
research on my own and figure out what
other people like and of course liking
is an individual opinion is North Branch
Grant one of the larger ones in Ohio
North Branch uh they're they're big um
would they have that brown and Suns is
is pretty large there's a a few other
new nurseries that are out there okay
thank you so I think we need to um
adjourn this discussion with the
potential that we'll come back to it in
our regular
meeting but I think we need to very
shortly convene our regular meeting of
the tree and public garden
commission very interesting discussion I
enjoy it very much I think it was
helpful to our little group as we and
and I think we can reconvene and decide
um you know how we present back to you
on these issues but I know Mary and
maybe others have done a lot of research
and if you want to share any of those
suggestions questions with us that'd be
really helpful Mary I didn't make notes
on every species that
you that' be great if you and Grant if
you could follow I mean it could be
Brown Brothers you know again we're
looking to you for some sort of guidance
on that yeah I I'll see what I can do
yeah great tell them we're not
scary most
days so let us um adjourn this special
meeting this meeting is adjourned and
we'll take a three minute break and then
come back and start our um October
monthly meeting that all right do we
have to stop the video and reconvene it
or can we just keep it rolling mayor
keep it going just pause the audio the
audio hello mayor Kesler I'm gonna be in
in a little
bit I think check where I am on the time
here okay all right we're trying to get
our budget oh my gosh I need to make
sure have money next year so we'll be
happy to join your meeting
mayor okay okay so we have some drinks
right there and um we'll be back in one
minute
e
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any text from
Charlie no I can email me in I said we
see you a few minutes at City Hall and I
haven't I checked I didn't get the text
my
mail I can email him um and ask if he's
coming to our
meeting well my last one was
228 see I got some information from him
at 249 but I
thought oh
wait he is not coming to our
meeting apparently he had a sick kid he
had to pick up from school so
here we okay everybody
ready let rock it
okay the rock
commission I'm calling the Wednesday
October 16
2024 meeting of the beex tree and public
GS commission to order and I'm calling
the RO Shea STW here Susan quintens here
Celeste Williams here Mary mcmun here
Jim Wilson still
here Linda snet Charlie flow absent um
Barb Giller
alternate Barb Giller oh I'm
sorry okay you're here all right so Barb
you are now uh you will be voting today
for Charlie uh Audrey young is traveling
um Ellen bow X
officio over here here okay and we have
um Grant Archer our city Forester and
assistant service director with us today
here here okay all good so we have a
quum and we have appointed the
alternates and now we're looking for
approval of our minutes of September
18 I move the approval of our minutes of
September 18th I second our
minutes all good good made it and
seconded that we approve the minutes of
September 8 2024 as emailed all those in
favor say I I all those post same sign
okay any additions to the
agenda none okay so um you will notice
that uh we have no landcap applications
today and Karen Boker our staff
consultant um intern staff consultant
isn't with us today since we don't have
any landscape applications but she had a
couple things she wanted me to mention
to you one is that she's doing a slate
Rook
tutorial on October 23rd from 4 to 5
right here with the president of
precision slate tile to talk about you
know the kind of slate that if you use
does not have to be replaced ever and
how to take care of the slate and and I
don't even know the questions but it
seems to be an
ARB um Endor program and I'm not sure
who all is invited but she thought
that because we're curious and ambitious
group that we might like to be included
so again then re tell me the date again
uh so it's a week from today 23rd 4 to 5
thank you um and she views it as
conversational interactive rather than
sort of dactic so um if you want to come
I'm going to come it's on my calendar is
it up open to the public yes
good uh because I think since ARB is
sponsoring it and they'll probably have
again a quum of ARB members there that
Beal to the public um and then she
doesn't have any updates on the Bexley
historical preservation study group
because they have not met since she
reported last time so those so those two
things so under our announcements of
small victories that's going to turn it
over to Sheila stra for a little preview
of or review of The Golf Park tour and
it's possible grant that Jordan sent
folks photos to be attached to this I
know she's having trouble loading them
so I was going to just see if you see
anything they're on the website she said
um does that mean the city's website
well it's either that or the arum
website she wasn't
specific um it
says all photos are now on the website
thanks smaller file would work much
better app
so whatever website be be great
to you want to look and then Sheila do
you want to
talk so we had a absolutely perfect day
um last Friday we had very good
attendance some of our members were
there with much appreciation and support
um we had a lot of good energy we have
we had a few snap Boos that turned out
to be a smile so everyone was excited I
have continued to have either texts or
emails to say how much fun it was and
then I've also had people reach out to
say why didn't I know about it I would
have come so um I think we can um expand
this year was bigger than last year next
year we will be featuring the beach tree
and so all of you can take a a year or
I'd like to know in February if possible
what your favorite Beach tree is um
there are many and uh what else we had I
had a couple big trays of cherborg
treats they were all eaten up so I mean
when I went in and the one tray was gone
there were just a few of the second tray
so apparently these are hungry people as
well so um it was really just a fun day
and the weather couldn't have been more
perfect
so thank you all that did join us and
maybe next year all of you
can it was fun and I was you know she
and I talked about why was it fun I mean
the day was fun yeah um at the first ter
the mayor took a a turn that none of the
rest of us took so we lost the mayor
well you know I he knows where to go
rout but we all ended up with some trees
and Pleasant Ridge and then we did go
over to the bir and many of the people
had never seen the Birch Walk and I
doubt if they'd ever been down to that
area so that was you know sort of a
revelation you talk about beavers was
pretty yeah and they were about beavers
right and and the Sycamore surround down
in
St yeah so that was another elevation
that a lot of people had not felt or
been present yet and uh so it was really
a great day
yeah and we have some tips for next year
the gas powered golf carts do not go as
fast as the electric
golfed yeah kept thinking why are these
people not faster never realizing first
that it was probably because of the the
dog so I could have had traum traumatic
head injury from the one I was driving
it was shaking so
bad doing 11 miles hour so thank you sh
well thank
you that's right um and now we'll just
talk about into the woods uh festival
and our
participation uh Mary and Ellen were
there yes a week or so ago we two left
out with the weather actually it was too
warm but a very good crowd and um our
friend Gavin drove up from boom County
Kentucky with his mobile AR mon
unfortunately wasn't good because the
Bengals were playing
he made it and um his Taxidermy was very
interesting um the kids I think like the
snakes in the best more than the tree
crosssections and the five-legged frog
was also a big so but yeah he he really
did a very nice job he was very engaged
with the kids and the adults and he had
a very nice B nice boys and just
it's just very engaging have the job
last
DEC presented
to we did a tree walk that Cindy how and
uh Deborah Stewart a former B res had
created as part of our as as part of our
Master Gardener tree class that we had
taken and so i b i v in for cind had one
little girl with
her they were they had
fun yeah they do have another a date for
Into the Woods for next year um they
didn't were unable to find anyone to
wear the new improved triador costume
fact it was 85 Degrees might have had
Sun bearing on well work we'll work
on yeah Matt can fit into
it yeah just say yeah sure he hasn't
seen the coste on
record did you say there was a new and
improved one there's there's an improved
one Lisa goldsand had has added the
branches back into the headpiece with
some hot glue gun and so now it's so
robust that needs just the headpiece
needs its own storage
unit Susan do you know because
I only had one bin I didn't have two
bins I think that Ron had second bin oh
he he he bought a second bin okay we'll
check with him tomorrow
okay and then tree protection scenarios
Grant can you pull those up you might
remember that when we reviewed that
application last month I suggested um
that my favorite was a chain link fence
because nothing could hurt a chain link
fence for protection and I told Grant
when we were in um DC visiting our son
and I asked him to take a picture this
tree and he said to me why are you
taking a picture of that tree it's got
all that fencing around to protect from
construction I said well because I'm
going to show it to tree commission so
even something that strong yeah yeah
yeah even something that's strong
becomes you know part of a is I guess is
no assured thing right and then Mary I
think there's one more yes Mary had
suggested that we look at this one
around the trees of the governor's
residence um it's not so good it's not
it didn't seem to me to be all that
exciting other than the fact that it was
a larger diameter than a lot of them it
seemed a little flimsy actually some of
the tree prediction on the governor's
property though looks sturdier to me oh
is that right I didn't look on I I
thought this was what you were
mentioning what I was okay okay so I
only ask as you're out and about I mean
whatever area of the city that you're in
if you see um tree protections that's of
interest you know I I think it'd be
great to have a little catalog of those
so that we can see which ones that you
do the best and maybe the chain Wing
fence is not the answer although it is
impressive it's impress so thank you
grant anything else under announcements
or small victories
okay on we go to Grant's report so Grant
what's happening in the world of tree
planting this fall so we went in
contract
Withers for 200 plus trees that are
going the ground this year this year yes
so probably late November
really what we're focusing on now we
grinding stumps for the new
locations how do we find out where a
tree is going to
be I have list currently we'll put a
little GRE flag the location that
says
here asking for a frame
got having a stump taken out what's that
I said was that a St Tak out you're
putting
green well in the new location of the
tree we put a little green flag okay
that says I think we we got those last
year we Mar I Mar white dot on the curve
sidewalk depending on it Go
sidewalk for the contractor flag
disappear but yeah I have the
addresses so is contract include
watering they water in that they do
onetime watering that's at at the time
of tree planting so can we do like a
congratulations you have a new tree
here's what you need to do we we have
that we have door hangers that asks the
resident to water the tree Forest
throughout the year maybe we should put
it in twice once in the spring or once
in the fall once spring yeah so yeah we
do uh inform the residents uh that they
they should water the tree and our
Parkview and Broad going to be um what
should I say uh get a major major
installations uh I think there's 32 Oaks
on Broad and 29 trees on Parkview yeah I
think that's what Spencer said last time
yeah that's
great um planting post drought uh you
know it's it's a risk um I brought this
up earlier but um I was told to plant
the trees anyway
I mean I you know that that would not be
good if we got another summer this like
we had last year and they're I mean the
trees are warrantied but they're not
warrantied for not watering
them so so um do you have any opinion on
a a volunteer program for watering City
trees and not a Jeffrey I mean you know
the the that because that's a more
protected environment but yeah I mean
that that's you know um that would be up
to the mayor to be okay with that I
can't really say here's a City truck go
drive around the city and water trees um
we would have to get equipment for that
uh because we currently only have one
truck with a tank on it um so
we that would be ideal
yeah so yeah we'll see I mean is it's
your water truck used every day with the
the flowers and all that yeah
um just an idea off the top of my head
if we do look like we're heading into a
drought next summer what if we um took
your list of where the trees had been
planted and did sort of a second
literature drop at those houses that
sort of emphasized we're heading into a
drought and watering these trees is
really important um that kind of thing I
me we can do that on a volunteer basis
definitely that I mean the last time we
did the door hangers it did not get a
very good review from residents
uh
so remind us a little bit about that
well they went on Facebook saying that
they can't believe that the city is
asking us to water the city
tree that got that went and then there's
people for it people against it kind of
went both ways so yeah you mean they're
they're against it because they don't
think trees should be watered well the
the price of water in Bexley is
expensive I guess yeah I don't is that
true the price of water inly expensive
um yes yes it is especially if you don't
have a deduct meter for like an
irrigation system so you're paying for
the sewage and the
water and years ago I did when we did
Roosevelt I walked door Todo and talk to
people and that was face to face and it
wasn't pretty yeah it was like Hey if
the city wants to plant the tree then
it's their
responsibility it was it was not pretty
well you know I mean it's always it's
always good to know the sentiments
before you get carried away with your
own opinion so all right Brant please go
ahead uh the mulz volcano um that's more
of a
Spencer thing I um I know they went out
in the water bill or some mass mailing
or something like that uh I know the
mulch sale they were
distributed
um but other than that I really don't
know okay well we we'll get on that try
and get ahead of it for this year I just
wondered I mean I don't know Matt you
weren't in place but I think part of
that program was sort of registering
landscapers and I'm wondering whether
since we have a while till the spring
WEA something could be put in place to
enhance the registration of landscapers
so they know about the ordinance yeah
we'll reach out to the ones that we know
of that work in Bexley I did uh uh
export a report um the last few years
and we've had very few
registered contractors that are
landscapers in Bexley that register then
the mayor and I did speak about
um having a pamphlet printed once they
register almost like a permit um for
those contractors so I think it's going
to take more Outreach on my part to
figure out who those contractors are
because we have very few
registered send your
pictures if people are putting an
application in do they have L to their
landscap
um we encourage registration uh we try
to let those that we see in the
community know it's not required um for
like a renovation project for a house if
you uh plant new bushes in the front of
your house and you hire someone um so
it's it's more of a on on us to reach
out to those that we know and then those
that we see in the
community educate
them how would it be to drop um or to
put on the door uh through volunteers
walking the multi volcano ordinance
or or specifications is that appropriate
or is that threatening or is that
educational um I mean yeah I I don't
know I mean I
so would
be how many people
use but that's really a common practice
that's why I thought it was a good idea
to put them in with the water bill you
know just put in an educational flyer on
hey you may not realize this but get
your
water emailed he get ears mailed oh well
I think the Bexley times goes to
everyone now so maybe that's that's I
think we'll put this in like maybe a
December meeting with the mayor because
I believe he writes the quarterly
newsletter that goes out and see if in
March we can get that
in that's all I have okay anything um in
like on the gateways or anything like
that that um you know needs tending we
could talk about the Broad Street meia
but why give ourselves a headache right
yeah right another one was hit the other
other week took out all the trees in the
island um did they
catch no that guy had to be straddling
the island yeah yeah where was this onad
right one of the islands on Broad I it
wasn't the usual one it was yeah it was
more East it's you you know the one in
front of Wolf Park knock on wood is
looking pretty good right now oh no
don't say don't even think it don't even
think it right yeah I think the bike
lane on broad's going to slow everyone
down because no one's going to speed up
when they get past that
right is that coming in be know I think
it ends at nelon Nelson so far so any
questions for Grant
then well he's right here okay all right
well I I guess we'll wait for the for
the mayor to come back so um as long as
we're doing staff reports Matt why don't
we go to you why don't we talk
about where did I put you down under
reports from reps from mattler yes I
want we wanted to know if you had any
updates on monette's installation
inspection progress I don't I don't have
any updates on that um I have reached
out um I still need to get a hold of um
I have two applicants for the landscape
architect consultant the new one I need
to do interviews and I'm collecting
resumés I need to reach out to um the
contact that Jim sent me as well to see
if there's interest there um was that
Molly yes I think Molly's already said
to and she's not she said she'd be one
time project but not the job gotcha okay
why out to um someone on Monday and sent
them um some of the work that Ellena did
so they would have a kind of a basis to
judge whether they were interested so
I'll follow up with her and then
give her your information okay very good
um and then uh we we will have one
application coming before you all next
month at the November meeting uh for 236
North Columbia so we're working with the
um landscape architect and the Builder
and developer now to make sure that they
have all of their requirements on their
drawings for you all to see so and do
you have any indication of whether
there'll be more than just
one as of right now that's the only
one how do you like your job so far it's
great it's great love
it good
good
all what's
that um I'm the mayor would like me to
go once a month so I've been to two yeah
the first Tuesday of the month is the
ones that I go to but I I think Matt are
you not going to like a or and Bap and
tree commission all three of those oh
yeah yeah I go to all of the I go to
yeah I go to ARB and Bap as well so and
do you know from Bap or ARB if any
applications um have been approved with
the stipulation that they submit a
landscape
plan um
no other than the one coming to us other
than the one coming to you yeah no none
of none I've had that stipulation so so
have questions for
Matt I wonder you know the process when
you just talk about registering
landscape
people it's a voluntary thing for them
to come in register as the landscaper in
the city well I mean it's a requirement
but it's hard to regulate it because
they're sort of transient so if we see
them if we see them working and we know
they're not but um I haven't really
took a big dive into that yet you know
it's it's it's I always look to see if
there's a sign on truck right and I
would say 70 to 80% do not have signs on
the trucks right so I mean you know the
ones that you see are Stewart yard
barers but there's a whole bunch that
are white pickup truck or the back with
SUV with the lawn or paying out so yeah
it's difficult because they don't have
to pull permits for things a lot of
times so whereas an electrician or an
HVAC or plumber has to pull a permit so
we we make them register there's certain
uh requirement that they have to fulfill
in order to do the work and pull a
permit for landscapers it's it's much
more
difficult Matt is there a requirement
that if you are doing something over,
dollar in landscaping that they have to
submit a request for working here I mean
is there a monetary piece to
that so I mean that's different than
somebody that just comes and mows your
lawn you know as opposed to installing
something I guess where we had some sort
of well I think work on the right
different yeah yep it's I'd have to
review the code again the code
requirements for what we want uh for
what we we mandate that they get
registered but it's definitely any work
in the right of way which you know many
of them you know they mow the right of
way they they blow leaves into the right
of way there's things that they do in
the right of way
um but yeah they've installed a wall in
the RightWay
too Roosevelt yeah that's that's a
different yeah
that's it's a different
conversation that's that's a big one
that's that's a big that's a big that's
a Pandora's Box yeah um go ahead I did
notice that last October we approved um
a offense
screening um that was was supposed to be
put in within a year and at least so far
they have two days left um so if I send
you that information maybe a gentle prod
would be useful before enforcement as
necessary yeah I'll reach out to them
for sure I can send you the the minutes
or the information so you figure out
which one it is okay to that point um I
think grant that perhaps um some folks
at sessions have talked to you about the
planting of a maple Tree on Broad Street
where uh they had one that came down and
the removal of the stump and when we
approved the installation of the one on
the let's see East Side we yeah we also
approved then the second installation on
the one on the west side but now I'm
thinking it's been certainly more than a
year um since we approved that does that
need to come back um or Jim do you have
any you know we approved
it that it would happen when it happened
well I thought
session they are they are but it's
still right correct the other tree just
came down not too long ago it wouldn't
right it hadn't been a year has it no I
was going to say I think it's been more
than a year since we approved the
installation of another Maple gotcha and
so yeah they
so
um I know that like when we're talking
about applications that go through
Matt's Department there're sort of a
year time period once you get approval
like from ARB or Bap typically to begin
the project I don't know of anything
that would apply to what would sort of
be permission to plant is in the right
of way I don't think there's anything in
our code that specifically puts a time
limit on that I can investigate that um
you know but it might be useful to Brad
them I mean are we the obstacle or are
they okay right but but to Grant's point
they knew the tree was failing but they
were giving it some time to really fail
and then for them to collect more money
to plant plant the tree I think it was a
two two-edged
you know kind of
motivation so so Jim why don't I look
back in my old minutes and find out when
we did this and then okay I'll have
better wording for you okay anything
else
ma okay thank you now well let's go back
to Old business then uh do you want to
return to uh reviewing And discussing
the tree planting and maintenance plan
Mr Wilson um well I think we can give
folks an opportunity if folks want to
have fur further
conversation um first of all about the
issue of um whether we want to maintain
a single tree on each Street or expand
the list in some way um if folks have
additional ideas I mean I think
ultimately the ideas that our small
group would bring back the report which
would contain either a change or the
status quo there so there'll be further
opportunity for discussion but if folks
have more ideas and didn't feel like
they had the opportunity to share those
in our special meeting I think now's a
good time since Susan's rapidly trying
to break my record for the shortest tree
Comm meeting ever well we haven't heard
the mayor yet so yeah well if he's still
in his budget meeting we may never hear
from the
mayor well I was just um I'm I'm mindful
of what the options are when we talk
about single culture versus a diverse
culture so because as we talked about
we'll never have a single culture
because the trees in tree law or in
people's yards diversify it and to
Linda's point the adjacent streets or
perpendicular streets are planted in
different varieties um so we can have a
preferred single culture and then we
could have a very diverse culture or we
could have to Grant
suggestion um a couple meetings ago
where uh 30 to 40% are I'm going to say
the preferred culture and then you have
a secondary culture and then maybe a a
third you know kind of fill in and um I
think it would be interesting for us to
look at that as a practical way to take
two or three streets and see how that
plays out to you know stel Roosevelt
stand what it could be one that's not as
heavily traveled and challenge ourselves
okay let's say the shimari oak is the
preferred tree then what's going to be
the secondary and the third tree that
would um kind of endorse those uh
priorities we had of a similar profile
you know and similar mass similar you
know
presence and and see how it works
without you know because the Practical
side is it may be extraordinarily
difficult or it may be easy as five
I mean I don't know Grant how do you
think that sounds no I think yeah once
we h a certain
percentage
Street the larger projects that
weion have done like
Roosevelt
Rex College you know you really want to
start introducing another tree those
streets those would be the streets I
start the big
streets Street yeah those streets yeah
um just an idea I walked Remington um a
block between Mount and Maine and
there's a lot of empty space along the
uh the right away between the street and
the sidewalk now there's a lot of large
trees further up that little incline but
I I thought there was a lot of space
here perhaps we could experiment too
with um some new species
if we could find
them
can I don't Ty plant
like so if a resent has larger trees in
their property Tre drive
there lean out towards Street
is that why you think there aren't any
there's AR trees behind sidewalk now
there's a lot of locations the May drove
South that residents have taken out the
lar
trees now there
is I mean I I remember when we walk Park
you there are a lot of on the east side
there are a lot of big trees in front
yard so it really
you really have to be careful where you
planted in the RightWay even though
that's pretty big RightWay because it's
going be shaded
sure so I don't know if that helps Jim
or not yeah no I think that's helpful is
that sort of approach resonate with
folks to what I would call experiment
with this in selected areas and see how
viable it is and then um in the next
iteration of our tree planning plan we
may say we're never going to do it again
or we're going to do it everywhere or
something in between I would try it on
paper
first on paper yeah I mean I I I would
take a
street that uh that maybe needs some
trees I don't know if there's one let's
say Francis I haven't been on the
Francis in a long time and see how we do
with with I'm going to just say three
varieties the preferred secondary and
third and see how that looks on paper
well Grant's Grant's part of our group
so maybe Grant between now and our next
meeting you could think about whether
there would be a good Street to use as
an Exemplar here to actually look at how
it would work yeah we can do that I mean
what I mean Charles would be a great
street because we're currently putting
in sidewalks there are no Street trees
we're planting service berries currently
but you know we could definitely could
up the cany yeah and then you've got
streets like Franc something likeing all
those streets that are
just but FR is Francis right away just
between sidewalk and curve yeah
yeah seems to me the streets that are um
yeah
narrower
neighbor
very verying
you don't have that perspective the
telescopic
perspective okay there other aspects of
our conversation before that folks want
to
continue um I think we we had I think
where we left sort of our list of treat
recommended tree species is um I think
Mary had some ideas for additions um you
know um if others have those um we can
consider those um and sort of come back
I mean I I would Envision that our tree
planting plan might offer if if we're
going to replace any species the plan
might call out where we would replace an
existing species with something new
well to the you know I mean to Grant's
point if we take out all the Golden Rain
we have you know three four five streets
with Golden Rain take out or be
thoughtful about the Kentucky Coffee
Tree and we had well I guess we did not
have pair since never planted any there
correct and then be thoughtful again
about the Norway maple since that may
end up on the is it unclear whether it's
on the it's on the list it's on the list
okay
that's on the list of prohibited species
Matt that's what we're talking about
invasive
invasive um and then you know the
question was on the maples underneath
the power lines on Drexel and on college
right whether we
should I mean I will just say um on
Drexel I think on a good year that's one
of the most beautiful drives you can do
so it would be really
a shame to have that disappear I realize
that and I agree with you that they they
get mauled when the P when they come in
to cut them for the power lines but it's
you're not allow to cut those are you uh
no I mean Drexel you're only talking
about five or six trees it's not a very
large
stretch um but you could also you know
if room behind the sidewalk put in a
larger tree that will kind of spand and
give you that same look but just nothing
underneath the power lines
because we do have like eight foot right
away on Drexel behind the sidewalk it's
good
size okay anything Jim do you want to go
on I do I want to go on with
what I unless there's other discussion I
think we have the input that we were
looking for and we can bring back I am
hoping somewhat soon a draft of our tree
planting and maintenance plan for your
consideration not promising it in no
November but maybe as a holiday
present planting by yeah that might be
what you need to approve it as some
eggnog in your
system so under old business I had goals
for the Arboretum I'm not exactly sure
what that was but we've talked about
additional species so that might be you
know a plus I can say that um last week
at Jeffrey we
five crep Myrtle shrubs
Grant and um as you know crep Myrtle is
more for the Zone around DC but it's uh
we're moving into that zone they're in a
pretty protected area and I guess
they'll tell us whether they're happy or
not so anything else under old
business okay under new business um as
maybe some of you remembered Elizabeth
Elman and I have worked on uh an Arbor
Day Earth Day Festival that happens
around Arbor Day at the end of April and
we've started talking about you know how
we can how we can grow that in a way
that is efficient with the city because
it's my understanding the city is now
sponsoring 35 events a year um or more
or more okay seems to be one every
weekend one every weekend and during the
middle of the week and some all all week
long and more participatory so um so
Elizabeth and I met yesterday and and
came up with a few ideas and one of them
was trying to maybe partner with the
Jeffrey Woods Festival that you're
already doing grant and and there's
already a built-in number of families
that come for the maple syrup tapping
and whether we could maybe enlarge on
that um are you able to get on the
internet here oh yeah okay so if you go
to um let's see what is it www Columbus
Arbor fest.com
um Columbus hosted uh their Arbor
Festival in August at Park of Roses and
then Westerville just did one as an
Autumn Arbor Fest and um you know it was
impressive the number of vendors they
had in the participation oh that's great
thanks I think there's some
yeah so I'm going to just turn off the
lights here so you can
see so they had a lot lot of different
vendors and they had let's see here
there's some place brand that lists the
vendors um or or does some events or you
can click on this and it shows different
images uh yeah so they had they had a
you know a lot of people come and they
had tree walks and they had the
bugmobile from
OSU
um I don't know if they had Forest
bathing but you
know don't waste your time right so I
and I I'll send you out everybody the
the link for that um and food trucks and
it was kind of kind of all day and it
just seemed like it was um what could I
say maybe just much more accessible and
interesting and would call for you know
kind of staying around a little bit
longer than what we have and um so we
were just we're just thinking we're just
thinking about it and uh we'd like to
showcase our fabulous arborous as
well so thinking about this is a
possibility and um Elizabeth was
thinking about seeing if she could tie
um green beex to maybe a a main event in
April and
May so right now we're just talking and
we're just keeping you in our kind of
noodling
session and feeling if we moved away a
little bit from Arbor Day Grant we'd
have easier access to some of the
vendors we want correct yeah yeah
because they're all pretty busy during
during the last two weeks in
April anybody have any thoughts about
that but you're saying lieth would do
something with
what is it she does World environmental
day world day sustainability yeah but
she would still do that in the
springtime looking at you know we're
kind of looking at a mutual divorce and
then a mutual you know Gathering again
so we just we're trying to see what what
would work best and work best for the
city and be the most efficient so we're
we're not another event there's a lot of
events and it's hard to compete with
those when we have sort of a a less
say I mean a more educational and a less
uh more educational activities and less
entertainment
so location as
to right well that's where you that's
where the Jeffrey Woods Festival is
Right correct yes Mary you went to the
one in Westerville what was that like um
it wasn't you know anything two grand
although I had to laugh they were
hoisting kids up into the trees which
you know as a former you know liability
underwriter cringe but um I guess they
do that yeah yeah I think Alan mon Arbor
offers some kind of service like that
yeah and they do it down the
conservatory AR day I mean that might be
an option for us well and I think a lot
like in Westerville they had a lot of
big tree companies Davey Tree um right
was
there Elman Arbor yeah and I don't know
about the what is it vog what was what's
the voy boy brothers yeah they were
there so you know you see all that heavy
equipment that gets the kids excited
sometimes they ride in the bucket trucks
let's get up and done with I don't know
about that yeah I don't know either but
you know I guess I don't know about
hoisting them up into trees I guess she
just sign a liability waiver right
yeah so so we value your input on that
too you know what if you've ever
attended any and what you think would
draw a
crowd uh I mean I do think you know
we've had the uh the tree climbing
competition at at Bexley a couple times
and you know that draws quite a crowd I
mean it's neat to see these guys up in
the trees and you know with the new
equipment that they have the uh or tree
removals is just it's pretty cool um so
yeah I think that would bring a lot lot
of people and educate these
homeowners um on you know what companies
professionals should be being used to do
the tree trimming and the and the
removals could do our handout
yeah exp we could create a MCH volcano
tree you know like you could save us a
SP of some kind we could you know show
them what
happens um could we do axe throwing
oh
yeah I thought I thought there was ax
throwing
once at the mayor's
thing yeah if you can rent a trailer
right yeah so and serve
alcohol well don't I was gonna say in in
northern Wisconsin where we have a
cottage it's uh they have poost the
world lumberjack
yes and the axe throwing tent is
sponsored by a beer company and they
offer inside so you're you're right
about that more liability I did want to
mention as long as we're talking about
trees that I don't know if all of you
know that Matt took a tree course with
Davey and he has wor worked on trees for
a year or longer two years three years
three years yeah so he could have been
an arborist he W he did did you get
certified as a no no I was just a
climber just a climber right just he's
got he's got stories to tell he also has
trees he doesn't like to work in like
oak trees
right yeah yeah yeah but your o oage
oranges are bad native honey Locus are
bad you mean with all the in Oaks are
bad you got to cut your way up you can't
start at the
top H wants to work
in Elms are nice um
probably uh just the regular honey
locust because they grow so wide so you
can get your you know you can get good
leverage on your rope and your points
and all that um any large any large tree
that's spread out you know yeah Live
Oaks like they're all good so we may be
the only people with the director of
building that has actually worked Tre
for pretty lucky it's not it's
not it's it's not glorious no do you
still have your your climbing
boots it I sold all I sold my chainsaws
I sold it all sold all the ropes all the
Saddles made a couple Grand gonna say so
no competition Grant I'm sure I'm sure
Grant has some extras if you want to oh
man next time next time we have the
remnants of a hurricane sweep through
maybe you could Grand screws so I you
know I it it's a spine line between
being observant and b a MAG you know
often times but I did notice when we
were taking our golf cart tour last week
that um the there was Milling of the
asphalt on Maryland between Parkview and
Drexel and there's brick this both of
those streets are bricks are brick and
at one time the brick had been uncovered
in front of the governor's residence I
think you're working here that point
yeah and then it was uh unveiled for
about three years and then um mayor
Brennan wanted it asphalted so asphalt
so I did call that to Karen boker's
attention since she's you know doing the
historic preservation uh study group as
you know again a potential area that
could be looked at for some sort of
Master so is that you want me to see if
the mayor's GNA join us yeah I'll go get
him okay thank thank thanks great okay
let's see what else is there what have I
missed I think mostly the mayor mostly
the mayor
so I did say parents said that they've
had a very active ARB agendas lately and
Matt probably knows they've had like she
said 15 to 23 applications per month I
don't know is that does that sounding
correct 15 to 23 applications some I
imagine some go to a consent agenda yeah
it's been it's been less I mean it's
probably
between 8 and 12 but we've had a lot of
minor architectural applications there's
there's a lot of applications coming in
just for home renovations in general
yeah
so the the other thing that we could we
could noodle about is that in December
um there will be a meeting of the chairs
and vice chairs of the three commissions
tree commission ARB and Bap as well as
mat the mayor and Karen and others to
look at um topics that of mutual
interest to all of us may I love trees I
really love trees you can make you know
what why don't we do that for aror day
2025 the mayor will compose a tree song
oh okay okay s okay I knew it
or yeah sure and Steve guys don't forget
Steve he'll do it with you of course of
course he is so mayor we yeah we have
various and Sury things for you to talk
about um hopefully you'll want to talk
about all of
them
yeah mayor how is the should we ask how
the budget's going you're you're looking
a little bit Shell Shocked oh been all
day so budget's going well okay our
income tax is softening so we're
to I people to work so when they go work
downtown we get less of
money you I encourage you to work from
home everybody
I think we all do
work
also okay we we're looking for a new
location so do you know that actually
that's true is true that's that's a big
it is you you know we take
incentives I don't know I
I may be a shock but I'm not on the
building committee
there so Gant chart I'm not actually
without
having can you call up the grant
chart
okay yeah okay I'm not sure I have any
this is our last meeting though but you
didn't have it at the last meeting I did
no it was two two meetings ago no you
didn't pull it up last okay so does
everyone know what a Gant chart is I
called it a spreadsheet of projects and
then Mr Wilson my thought it was vice
chair said no it's called Gant chart no
I don't know if Gant is for the person
that designed it or if it's stands if
it's the initials or something I think
it's named after an individual but I
can't swear to that okay so the Gant
chart talks about where you are in the
progress of completion
of a project so from initial to um let's
say design pending or design completed
you know out forbid you know
construction approved Finance something
like that so the mayor had created this
scant chart of uh as you might remember
of the projects the city was working on
and then added the projects that were of
Interest or importance to the tree
commission
and it's name after Henry Grant
what Henry Gant it's named after Henry
Gant yeah an American engineer in the
early 20th century No g n
TT as in zebra or just g n
TT Gant okay an American engineer from
the early Century thank you so now we'll
know okay all right
see so um in one of the reasons that I
was I was hoping that the mayor could
pull this up is that I have noticed our
combing circles on goul they're looking
a little bit weary would
you yeah I I I noticed that and maybe
the other one should
too
weed
and so I had l um I I guess maybe been
Cavalier about how much better our pring
circles looks than the city of
columbuses but now city of cluses are
looking pretty good Grant so go drive
eastmore and see they got a single large
tree and then some ground cover that
looks like it's being tended problem
withs is
demand oh that's right
that's well maybe we just put in the
manle could put a man
okay so does that so what kind of
planting space is there enough planting
space for a small
tree
yeah AAR
can could you do a Lyon there l i mean I
think it would be too dense I don't know
if that would yeah you couldn't see
through it could see through it
we when when a tree is run over do you
ever know with doorbells and all that
who ran over
by we weren allowed to put spikes in the
island that was I was fully supporting
spikes in the island so yeah no 90% of
the time we don't catch anybody
mayor are you close oh there oh yeah
it's here the Gant the the landscape not
to be confused with the
mega are you disappointed
[Laughter]
not oh so um what this tells us is sort
of a timeline of what we're working on
and what's coming up next and I haven't
touched this document for about a month
um partially because our primary
landscape designer on a lot of this has
been recuperating from a hip
replacement uh so we are a little paused
on some of this but um what it's saying
is at this point of time we're expecting
um to be doing infill plantings at the
ARB and walket Commonwealth which is
coming yep
happening um installing the Pleasant
Ridge and Bellwood median plantings um
and the for example it says right here
that our design process and install
should be happening for the Schneider
main trail upgrades we actually haven't
done any of that yet so that would have
to move down the chart a little bit for
example um we have engaged on the Fair
Avenue median
refresh and on the College Avenue
Gateway enhancement and Roosevelt
medians so those design processes are
due to kick off pretty soon but they
haven't yet um and then it's showing
what would be coming next
down the
down the path or the Alle if you
will um and so you know these aren't
necessarily currently ordered uh in
terms of what's to come next but you
could
see what I have in the list and tell me
if there's something I'm missing or
order that you think should take
pres well I think that we decided that
the roselt medium were a priority for
commission and for the B unification
fund so that was a nice unification of
goals y so that gotap slit up right and
then right and then um the in central
Bexley it was the Fair Avenue and then
the College Avenue Gateway enhancement
so those look to be I don't want to say
the city's list and our list because
that sounds like we're in opposing camps
and I don't think that's true but since
our so grouped in one area I would say
that and have those in priority fashion
and it would be helpful to know what who
should be involved in those um
how I haven't thought about this for a
little bit so
okay is this something where we work
internally on some Concepts and bring
them back yes who would you know I think
we just need to see design plans I know
some people I know at least one person
in this room who's very passionate about
the Roosevelt me for example and I feel
like it' be good to have some input at
the front end before doing so think work
on I take the College Avenue Gateway
enhancement if it's just I think we're
looking Beyond just pill just beond
justs and plan to also look at what's
happening Tire Choice and
Speedway I believe from our
conversations so Grant did you take out
all the Deb taxes at um the tiger shop
thank you
so yeah I mean that's all again it's
been it's been a second
since well could you add the gold cing
circles onto that
then thank
you so those were re design are you
think they need to Designed again or
just
brand
um I you know once we get the
replacement tree back in there
um I don't know they scuffy to me I I
guess they didn't look very organized
but I don't know if that's the plant
material we chose or if that's just the
time of year and maintenance it could be
I I think the ground cover which is like
a Boston Ivy that's in there is kind of
taking over some of the shrub areas um
but um well why don't we put in an airb
list to drive gold you
know okay and then come back drive it
carefully maybe drive the next meeting
the actual
right right right and then also then
drive uh you know columbuses and you
know to Grant's point we can't put in
the tree because the man will cover but
maybe one specimen or something that's
going to be better for us or three
shrubs in the middle I don't know so is
that to be determined the design process
is going to wait until we have a
landscap city projects we're still
working with Helena and that are the
ones that are in here in design proc
engaged on those that's asterisk the
unification design is more collaborative
with well
currently that
right now we're working on the phas
one it's all for that which
isation it's not as much
about
uh yeah I think we're GNA we're meeting
this Thursday okay so good news with
common unification is that the grade you
know there's a grade drop between the
fields and then down the
sidewalk and then to where the street
trees are the beaches many those beaches
aren't doing amazing well lost
already but they can they can be
maintained they can be
back
a couple
inches what I'm telling you do we need
any root cutting of the current beaches
uh I I think I don't I don't think so
okay um we can definitely get the air
spade out there and see what the the
roots are looking at like I know we did
one side versus The Other Side did you
and I think the one side that we did is
the one that's not looking as healthy as
the other side we left
alone I just knew you were worried about
the way they were planted yeah they yeah
the mulching is a little high on them
sure okay
so um is there any questions on the Gant
of two T's
chart okay
then that's right two yeah two
t we have strategy public
meeting I feel like I did talk about
that you you you you talked about that
but you you wanted some inut on
plantings around mantros and we assigned
Mary and audre to do that so right
that's yes so so Mary has some thoughts
and she has walked that area so I
thought this would be a good time to
share that all
right okay one thing I did notice was
and we just talked about it before you
came in there was um
how um on Remington I noticed that there
you know there was a lot of opportunity
there to plant trees and and Grant
explained to me why there probably
aren't any trees along that area because
of the fact that there are several
there's a large Oak and there's a couple
large Maples and to plant trees you know
next to them those trees might curve out
onto the street because of the sunlight
situation there so that's probably why
there aren't a lot of trees on Remington
in that first block south of main um and
then and um I did see a couple
opportunities over on montros where we
could put in at least one tree but then
there's also I don't know if I'm even
answering your question well I mean
Remington it has a tree Laine that's not
used right now right there are some sh
trees there are also lots of areas of
trees right and it feels
like um it's not a huge tree line it's
an ornamental tree right it could
support under story yes I would say
definitely why I do on that block of
Remington we those trees behind the
sidewalk are City trees are those City
trees well typically if I'm planning
behind the sidewalk I'm not also
planting in between the curb and
sidewalk and that's so I'm referring to
when we were talking about this
schooling so could we do under story
considering that we do have large and
Maples um on the west side and on the
west side of the sidewalk so on the east
side of the sidewalk there's Prime space
there to put
something correct and I think that's
that leads to the conversation that we
had between you know three o'clock and
four o'clock today I mean I'm limited to
the list of trees that the tree
commission tells me to plant I can't
just go stick treat but based on our
under story selection is there
opportunity to something from that we
could yeah then the other area was on
the corner of montros in Mound there's
Big Empty Space there yeah the combo
just to fill you in Grant sorry you
weren't oh that's that we were talking
about choosing like an alternate tree
for the skinny tree line correct on
around
the so yeah you know just thinking about
um how we could move ahead with actual
suggestions
Grant what do you think about you and
Mary walking that together to do that
and Audrey I think wanted to do it too
she's not be back for a week and then
come in November with species either on
the list or not on the list so on the
south Remington I mean we've got oaji
orange and white
oak well those wouldn't be understo so
well I
know I'm I'm sorry yeah today little
leaf Lyon and
M there's one's
big tree in that tree that right away
and then the rest isempty on montros or
reming Montrose was fine there's a lot
of trees on Montrose there really wasn't
any space other than at the corner of
montros and Mound we could probably put
in another tree is there a stop sign
there yeah I that why there's no
okay and then the other place that I
thought possibly was at the top of the
hill where we got those row Maples that
grow there there's so that so the funny
thing on Remington behind on the school
side there is no rideway the top you
know our rideway is just that slant
which you can't really plant on if you
move up on the hillside you that's
becomes school by the way are those
Maples that are up along that top of the
hill those are not ours those are not
ours okay well that was the one spot
where I thought a tree could go but
that's also where the kids have their
raised garden so we really don't want
any it doesn't matter because it's not
our right
correct which doesn't mean we
can't team up with a school and come up
with a plan right and get a grant to
fund it
sure but there's what are those that
grow what are the end story on are those
um r no
they're on Mound no they're the yeah
ruby red horse chests those AR get red
berries the think they're the chests
at the M it might be Red
Buds it might be a red bud I'm not
sure Red Bud silver
Lon I don't know I thought it was the
horse
chest I think they are just repeating
they might I haven't I'd have to drive
that street look I walk this street a
lot in there between the curb and
sidewalk how about walking with Grant
now I will okay happy to do okay we'll
find out what those red berries
are they do they do they've done well
there okay mayor capacity and fifth
updates we kind of talked around that
last time I don't know if there's any
more information talking around it or we
can run right still on here P the game
okay it's there was a design if you
know you know we just have to refresh
that see where okay well it's always
hard to tell when you go by I mean they
always seem to be working in that area
so it's hard to tell whether you know
lots is happening or if it's just
maintenance or the big construction
doesn't happen till very early this next
spring but it'll be at least a year but
I mean coming yeah I mean well you can
tell they took down one house on North
Cassidy north of Fifth Avenue on the
east side they're teing down the fire
station too aren
they no that's what I was
not as part of project there's something
happen fire St Beyond this
project yeah they burn down a couple of
things that they were gonna tear down
maybe that's
yeah I'm kidding all right let's hope it
doesn't get on the bus okay and I
thoroughly enjoy theour the
and thank you for for being their mayor
and we did talk about it when you were
in your meeting that it was a joyful day
um I think people were honored that you
came um I've continued to get texts and
emails about how much fun it was even
though we had a few little snap Boos
that made it you know smile and um
nobody fell out of a do real
success it was just it was a fun easy
day and people also have reached out to
say why didn't I know about it so I
think we can expand about it a little
bit more and um thanks for being
there finally as we are two days away
from broadcast in our first draft budget
is there anything that we haven't talked
about
that commission say hey we
should
Grinders the stump grinders that break
down yeah how how about one of those big
tree cutting machine trucks like boy
brothers house with the the grapple or
the so you're very limited in the South
End using that piece of too big yeah
it's it's just too big you're scary okay
well then let's move to what would be on
your wish list Grant
staff so so I just gave you yeah he did
yes no so could you could you could you
remind us um what your staff what your
department looks like as far as Staffing
no currently we're doing well because we
did hire two new uh well three new
employees we did end up hiring the the
young lady that that did the watering
this year um and then we got two more uh
ground Crews which will uh be helping
with the young tree pruning this this
fall
so um so what does that bring your so we
have
uh six seven seven employees now where
we were up four
um five including
me I have an idea okay um and I don't
know how you budget for this but if we
have another drought emergency watering
funds so that we don't lose the trees
that we've planted
I
know yeah so I did contact yard Barbers
just to get a number so 15
Waters uh for the year uh for all 200
trees that are being planted was roughly
about
$30,000 we talked mayor before you came
about training a volunteer watering core
there are many there are many there are
some cities that have that it they are
especially interested in kids like 12 to
15 that are sort of between you know
being able to work and being tired of
going to camps and um having adults work
with them um and then I know that I
think Charlie had talked about you know
there's prototypes out there for
volunteer wat
so I don't know that if we only get
20,000 maybe we need $10,000 worth of
volunteers some alterntive
solution instead of All or
Nothing yeah I mean that we would need
enough more equipment I know
right
correct so what other
ideas um I did mention this to Grant so
right now I'm on the site collection or
selection for the Beckle House and
Garden Tour and um I've nominated
Commonwealth is the garden that will be
featured okay so which is inclusive of
the wonderful pond um so we'll know on
June 1st everything is going to be
amazing I like that yes if that requires
some dollars then we'll figure it out
that's that's already been
Incorporated great thank you so as far
as actual machinery Grant do you feel
you have everything you need um oh yeah
yeah I
do and I know that mayor you said that
Mike had Mike Price had purchased
some robotic lawnmowers is that that
true should there be more more robotic
lawnmowers around the city or deploy
them
at and the way that we're connecting
them
youor I think we're
see yeah that's not the the robotic
mowers aren't going to replace mowing
commonweal I mean they're they're
designed to just do the athletic
fields and they cut you know centimeters
at a time so it's but we still will be
there mowing weekly it's not really
replacing what they do is they keep the
service so it's sort of like a golf
course yes okay so like
Schneider
okay so other things for the mayor's
budget I mean does it have to be tree
related or could it be in an expansive
and you know grants already submitt all
requests that's in the capital budget or
it might not be because our capital
budget is more restricted okay so it's I
don't mean to
suggest bar just trying to
like but just like if there you know one
of the priorities that I have that I've
thought about as I've stood here and
talk to you guys about this is we
identified some additional infill
plantings and we know that we need more
money for that so that's something we're
going to be asking for grant funding for
we probably
that's well I would you know we talked
about this while you weren't here but of
course it would be music to my ears to
think that money was being focused on
repair and upgrading of
brick and you know that
right okay anything else for the mayor
he trying to think of something for the
community garden
but sure nothing talk about that t yeah
um I wi on your behalf Susan aove
Maryland yes thank you thought back to
the sad day when I got
paid well it's true I apologize on
behalf of past administrations yes well
I mean yeah I mean it brings up lots of
questions and you know for all for all
of us and for for next Generations and I
don't think it's too late well I'll tell
you
one years ago we
started
do contract
and that's improving we're going to be
actually expanding our brick Cur work
next year as a part of Commonwealth
unification so we're gonna even though
the Commonwealth North and South sides
don't have Breck the Columbia Street
does and so we're going to create almost
this
feel sto ending so it's WRA around that
mayor is that brick easily
available we have some of it
St they don't make it like they used to
I mean how thick is that four inches
those brick
yeah yeah you remove asphalt from them
or's like a really tedious process it's
a
lot it's a lot to remove the asphalt
they grind asphalt off and then you
brick
Destro terrible it's
true so you know we have some of that we
have some exposed compromis it doesn't
look quite as
good in certain okay enough the other
thing we find in a lot of streets like
we you can see when we recently
but there's a ton it's like trenched
through Decades of city project so if
you were to show the whole street
there's
not cassingham a north of main is Brick
underneath I mean I don't know how much
of us left I know I mean there's so
much is there like how much is left yeah
how much is left right it's been mil in
the past right if you were to go out
meticulously f it back
or
whatever well I said it's hard it's it's
a small line between being a nag and
being observant so we let that
discussion not any
fur
may I know I know well one of the first
projects we did was try to raise money
to restart cassingham and we thought we
could do it with
$10,000 we of prayer yeah we to prayer
just prayer I okay mayor what else we're
letting you off pretty easily today go
back to myd okay okay who's on your
budget team uh Carrie Martin and Megan
Meyer oh that's a great every director
but right now just the three of oh good
you'll get more war okay all right
so we have covered the agenda I believe
Okay so we've been in the room where it
happens Grant thank you for being with
us for so long today everybody else also
good good stuff I do I do want to say
that I think it's been a little bit um
more challenging or uh for us to find
ways to get applications for the staff
review consultant position that Ellena
held so I would ask you if you know
Landscape Architects or people
associated with Landscape Architects to
you know check it out and see if you can
find
people at least what part-time position
is yeah it's just part I mean you know I
don't know how many hours Ellena spent
on it I don't have that
information um I don't know Grant
probably varies yeah I would guess maybe
20 hours 30 20 hours a month you know
for if you're not reviewing an
application um and at least as far as we
know Ellen is will still be doing the
design going forward it's not nearly the
hours that Ellena spent which was doing
both design work and then application
review so I would guess I yes 10 to 20
hours so so anything else Jim anything
else no Grant
anybody all right so in November we're
meeting on November 20th Wednesday
November
20th
no need a motion I think we
should we have a motion forment motion
for is our second second any discussion
all right on we go thanks so much
so Grant
um so Grant what city St you want on the