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I'll
uh call to order the October
2020 meeting of the Bexley Board of
zoning and
planning the
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I'm here also thank you all right uh did
everybody get a chance to review the
minutes from the September 24th 2020
meeting and if so does anybody have any
comments or
questions notices of any om
omissions or
errors all right I see no indication of
such could I have a motion to approve
the minutes of the September meeting
please I'll make a motion
SE second
please second thank you
Jason um all in
favor say I I I I all oppos nay the
minutes are approved
we have an opportunity for the public to
comment
on the actions generally speaking of the
bza without talking about any particular
case uh is anybody that is here wish to
make public comment or anybody on Zoom
or in the public want to make a raise
your hand there on the screen or raise
your hand here if you're here uh in
person
hello
okay Mr
Meyers yes
present no he's a neighbor I believe to
the first application okay Mr Myers are
you here to talk about the first
application yes yes I am okay we'll call
that case here in one
moment all right I don't
see should I be expected to have visual
on
my you're gonna need to either do the
computer or the phone because we're
getting Echo yes I called in on a
specific number but I'm also on Zoom but
we haven't been able to register uh in
terms of the visuals but I can see you
we can see you too oh okay well then
that's fine nice
timee good thank you so we're gonna go
ahead and start the case we'll um let
you know when we're ready for your
testimony okay all right uh there being
no public comment I'll call I'll start
new
business the first case under new
business is
application uh bz ap-20 D30
the applicant and the owner of the
property are Eric and Stephanie Quigley
the address of the property is 124
Stanberry the applicant is seeking two
variances the first variance is from
Bexley city code section
12626 which allows circular driveways on
Lots having minimum front yard width at
the street RightWay of at least 150 ft
along a single Street in order to allow
a circular drive to be installed on this
90 foot wide
lot the second variance is from Bexley
city code section
12626
F uh circular
driveways uh which indicates the
circular driveway Shall Serve as an
access Corridor leading from a street to
a garage or an approved off street
parking space circular driveways may not
be used for temporary or permanent
parking to allow the proposed circular
driveway to extend from the existing
driveway and be used for temporary
parking so with that in mind uh let me
ask the staff uh M Mr Beall before you
do that I'm gonna this is Brian Marsh
I'm gonna recuse myself from this
because I live on that block oh okay
Brian thank you very much do we still
have a a quorum here we do we do okay
thank you
um all right um we have witnesses here
on this case too so if anybody is going
to want to talk about this case that's
here raise your right hand please and be
sworn in and please State your names one
at a
time Robert
Myers okay thank you Mr Myers thank you
Stephanie Quigley Stephanie Eric
Quigley Eric
P okay Raise Your Right hands do
solemnly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank I do okay thank you
thank you all four of you all right um
Kathy do you have the um staff report on
this matter please I do so
uh first off um we've got the site plan
on display and the site that is Center
to the north to the top of the page is
the property in question uh this lot is
90 feet in width and the street has
variation in lot widths the standard
lots are about 90 ft in width including
the two lots to the north of this one
and also account for over half of the
Lots in this block the Lots South and
across the street range from 95 feet in
width to 150 feet in
width so the the code is established and
uh out of all of the items um you know
circular driveways are allowed in the R1
R2 R3 R six and our 12 districts they
may be permitted on Lots having a
minimum front lot width at the street
right of way of at least 150 feet along
the sink Street and provide that the
said driveway complies with the general
regulations uh set forth in
12621 and following additional
requirements a there shall be no more
than two points of Ingress egress which
points should be separated by a minimum
distance of at least 30
feet uh no point of Ingress erress shall
be closer than 30 ft from an
intersection which this one is
not no circular driveway exclusive of
curb return shall exceed 12.5 feet in
width and the driveway surface shall not
occupy more than 25% of the required
front yard circular driveway shall be
located so as to avoid damage to or
removal of trees within the public
rideway circular drives shall Ser Shall
Serve as an access Corridor leading from
the street to a garage or approved off
street parking space circular Drive
shall not be used for temporary or
permanent parking circular driveway
shall require sub submitt of a storm
water mitigation plan approved by the
city permit shall be obtained prior to
installation of the circular drive so in
this case code enforcement was on site
to question excavation happening in the
front yard and the owner indicated that
he was interested in having a circular
drive it wasn't the process of
installation um we requested that he sto
work on the circular drive and informed
him to seek a variance if he wish to
proceed based on the fact that could not
be staff approved as
proposed uh the Bexley tree and public
garden commission was key in
establishing the criteria in our 2017
code updates relating to Circular drives
in front yards the review was based on
existing circular drives within the city
of Beckley and then determining not only
the appropriate lot width but Al also
the percentage of lot space in a front
yard that a circular Drive could occupy
with a goal to preserve trees and green
space in front yards and within the city
rway uh the property in question is
seeking approval of a variance for a
circular drive to provide additional
parking on site and ease of on-site
maneuvering due to deliveries and
current construction traffic the site
does not meet the minimum 150 foot width
established by code and the circular
drives are not to be used for temporary
or permanent parking due to the fact
that it is in the front yard and front
yard parking is prohibited based on the
narrow lot size the uses specified and
the lack of unique circumstances staff
does not support the variance um but I
will now allow the applicant to uh
address any any comments or or or
provide any additional information okay
let let me um let me make sure that we
understand this the
many of the
reasons uh that a circular Drive might
not be appropriate are not an issue here
from what I read right in other words
it's not uh so many square feet out of
the front yard it's not it's not too big
it's it's not uh but it doesn't lead to
a garage or permanent parking or
driveway it does lead to the it's being
it's connected to the existing driveway
okay it would lead to the parking in the
rear yard which is where the approving
is located okay oh I see what's going on
so the the driveway is on the south side
of the house and goes all the way back
and there's a gate on the way through to
the backyard okay all
right okay all right the applicants Eric
and Stephanie Quigley whoever wishes to
speak first please take the mic do I
push this to turn on yeah it'll turn
green green it's it's on okay um thank
you for listening and and you know
talking through what we're trying to do
it's been a large scale project and one
that has created a lot of immense stress
and changes and and good things for us
long term but we have two small kids and
and as um you know I'm sure a lot of you
can understand it's been um a long and
and difficult project and what we're
trying to do is create a forever home
and you know our our kids are two and
four we have a lot of Nanny and child
care coming back and forth we have um
older kids that are in college who come
to visit we there's a lot of people in
and out we're not seeking to park cars
in the front yard what we're seeking for
is the safe um entry and exit of kids
being dropped off coming and going which
is going to happen for an awful lot of
years and oh I can tell you frankly I've
backed out of of that existing driveway
and knocked off my rear viw mirror a
couple of times now that may have more
to do with um skill versus what a normal
person might be able to do but it's not
convenient or enjoyable with respect to
how we want to use the property long
term the fact that we
could ride around pick someone up drive
back out go up the driveway turn it
gives so much more ease of just a more
usable um property in in our view um so
that's kind of where we're coming from
it's how do we want to use it and how do
we want to make it still beautiful at
when we're done it's um you know we want
to have a really pretty driveway we want
to have some pretty landscape we want to
have this be where we are right so
that's so from my uh perspective there
all that white uh stuff in the rear is
that that's the current construction
project that's going on um in the rear
I'm sorry the photographs see all the
white stuff in the back yes it's t yes
that was tented so we could keep doing
stuff over but yeah that's that's off
when the weather is
so I mean keep in mind I know staff is
against this but keep in mind and and I
don't know the reasons but maybe it's
because of parking but we we that white
tent is a beautiful three car post and
beam Cedar garage that we will it's
heated radiant heat on the floor like we
will be parking our cars there yeah not
the front yard right um that's the
intent it's really that's good to know I
think that's an important fact yeah
right the the
uh one of the issues that you should
know from our perspective now usually
there's seven people sitting around here
tonight they're all on the screen here
but uh is you're not the first person
that's come wanting to do a circle drive
on a smaller lot right so we have to
deal with this and we kind of have to
deal with it in a consistent fashion but
uh also we get lots of requests where
the reason for the request is we'd like
to do
this well right of course we understand
people would like to do certain things
but uh we also have to be careful and be
consistent in in the rulings that we
make so we look at each case on a Case
by case basis really and we try to make
decisions in that in that regard I I
mean I I could just add to that street
in our neighbor uh Mr Myers will agree
our street is very congested in the
morning with traffic construction
traffic and not just ours but all the
neighbors you know and and it Narrows
down and it's dangerous there's a few
cars that I you know like to not drive
down our street because they drive
pretty fast and it's it's it's it's it's
a pretty tight curve right where you
happen to live too yeah it is yeah not
just more it came to the point it's it
was more of a safety issue and and
convenience because I'm the one that
backs everybody's car out or I'll get
Nanny's car and move it and drive it up
and get the cars because I don't want
the kids getting I don't want our babies
put in the car seats while they're
sticking out halfway out of the on the
street
Stanberry um so I'll move cars around so
I can place the nanny's car in the
driveway so they can get in the car safe
and that I mean that's Y is there any
space currently to maneuver in the rear
yard there's not well I guess post
construction if you go into the driveway
or into the garage and back out
depending on what's parked in the garage
you know if we have our car in the
garage and try to go up you run into the
same thing where you can't turn around
and come back down so you're going up
and back um of course it's it's tight
yeah um it would you sorry go ahead yeah
I mean I mean we're going to park cars
in there and back out of it and then
drive out of the driveway straight so
the answer is yes but if you have
multiple cars just parked in that little
white area it's going to be tough yeah
so the intent is all that's going to be
radiant heat and more of an area where
we can hang and the kids can play in the
back we want to live in the backyard not
you know right now when we bought the
house and we really didn't realize this
and we're growing into it but our living
space is in the front you know we enter
the front door we walk in the front door
and it we want we want to live in the
back more private you know more secluded
sure and just be kind of you know
which is the intent so we're building up
our our master bedroom in the back with
our indoor outdoor fireplace in the back
um family room for the kids it's where
we can keep the toys play hang out um
you know the pool in the back everything
will be focused back there and right
yeah just it's from a usability
standpoint and you know as as they get
bigger and there's even more of that
coming and going it just seems so great
to like swoop in get the kids and leave
and way way safer and and less
logistically difficult I think when this
house was built in
1927 um no one anticipated people having
multiple cars back then and so we're
trying to accommodate um you know a a
growing family with multiple vehicles um
coming and going different schedules in
a way that still can be beautiful and
preserve you know how big trees and and
the landscape of of the street and
Bexley in general all right thank you
very much uh let's let the people who
are here in the audience that wish to
speak to this matter Mr hack uh yeah I
just wanted to add uh I I know you guys
update your zoning codes from time to
time if you zoom out on that aerial plan
uh I think you can let me stop you there
though for a second this group doesn't
make any laws ever right the city
council makes the laws we just have to
deal with them yeah when I said you I
meant the city of Bexley not you
personally right um but but yeah if you
look at the this one down here on
ashborne road here's a lot with a
circular drive that's only has an 80
foot Frontage so this is not out of
character from the neighborhood there
was it also precedes the current code
which
is one of the concerns that we addressed
in the code I
understand there was a there was a
second aerial plan submitted as well
that shows prop properties to the north
uh across the street and five houses to
the north there's another uh circular
drive that has a 100 foot or yeah 100
foot width and on the next street over
behind that there is also uh another lot
with about 108 foot um I don't know if
you guys have the uh second aerial plan
that was submitted there were two
submitted with the application two PDFs
I just see one
uh we had attached to I
believe did they both commend at the
same time plan with so the point is I
mean it's it's
common you know it's common in the in in
the neighborhood and and there's there's
quite a few that are granted you know
the 150 foot lot that that meet the
requirements to have it turn around it's
convenient it's common in our area it's
not out of place in fact fact um if if
we want to talk about the Landscaping
trees we're one of a few that have two
nice growing trees in our in the
easement and you know and by Design we
we staying away from those two and we
could spread you know propose spreading
out the to get more green space in the
middle of our yard um and move the the
second and
egress to the other tree but we just
wanted to stay away from it um yeah if
you if you look at the uh site plan you
can see how the driveway is is designed
to keep the existing trees there's a
tree in the RightWay that's right in uh
we'll say inside of the circle and
there's one just outside so this
driveway does not interfere with the
existing mature trees right again we're
one of the few lots that have
two so just for the general public Mr
hadock you're not neighbor here correct
relation professional engineer uh I've
been working with them on the design of
the uh detach garage in the rear okay uh
they also are in the process of doing an
addition on the back of the home they
just put a swimming pool in they've been
making lots of improvements to improve
the property value of their home and the
community yeah it's a beautiful house
too yeah but I just want to make sure
that the panelists know that you're not
an neighbor certainly certainly yes okay
all right so let me ask Mr Myers who's
been patiently uh waiting there if you
have comments Pro or con this particular
application sir yes thank you um uh I
had the opportunity to meet Mrs
Quigley several years ago after she had
a her I think her first daughter we we
brought over a u a gift and um but have
not had the opportunity to meet uh or
talk with uh uh Mr Quigley and uh so as
as this unfolded this project unfolded
uh we were away and did not have the
opportunity to appear at at the hearing
and and those circumstances do occur uh
but I I would just give the background
that I've seen from the perspective of
of being the neighbor to the north uh my
wife Sarah and I own have owned that
property and U have lived uh in in the
property
uh I guess more years than than probably
most other
community excuse me Community which
house Mr Myers I'm sorry it's 136 it's
the property adjacent and immediately to
the north
okay and uh so uh we we didn't have any
awareness or dialogue with with the
quiglies as to what they were going to
do and uh how long the project would
take etc etc as you probably have from
your records this project project has
gone on now for 19 months uh I
understand there's been an amended
application for another level of
improvement which U is in the home
proper and uh if we use that same
measure of time uh coresponding to the
construction quote of a
garage uh you know this is going to be
over two years of of of time and effort
and I I think your records will show
from your personnel U you know there
have been dumpsters on the streets with
hitches and and and tires and rolling uh
dumpsters as I would call them trucks
that are there day and night and and so
on and so this parking issue that arises
from the concept of a horseshoe driveway
or a circular driveway I I think that
the first step is to say what has the
city of Beckley contemplated when they
created this uh legislation and if and
what is the purpose of it and uh would
the purpose be met if this were allowed
and uh I I suggest in in the simplest
terms it it wouldn't be so then the
question is well why why do we have uh
the legislation but from the standpoint
of impact on us uh aside from this
duration uh I have developed and
reconstructed two and 300,000 square
feet and less time than this project has
taken and I appreciate that it was quote
been long and difficult and but for the
long-term benefit of of the owners well
it's certainly not been in the in the
benefit of of the adjacent Property
Owners including Tom fernald who I'm I'm
I think he's going to try to call in but
but having said that what we have is a a
reduction uh with a this circular
driveway of probably one parking space
in front of of their property which
moves the parking a parking place uh to
the North and then encroaches on our
ability to come out of the driveway and
and make a leftand turn uh to go south
uh secondly from the standpoint of U uh
you know this green area that we have in
our front yards and I appreciate you
know uh our our cultures are changing
and and activities in the back of the
home become I think more attractive
especially during night excuse me nice
weather but the fact of the matter is
that uh we put a circular driveway in uh
it's just you have parking period you
know otherwise I mean to have anything
less than that you have a cars just
rolling through and out to have
temporary and permanent parking is not
permitted and there's a reason we end up
having metal in the front of our homes
instead of softness and grass and so on
and so forth uh I I think that uh this
has been a a major uh change in in this
particular uh neighborhood in terms of
this uh 19-month period and what will
continue to go on from there and at some
point in time I would hope that it
brings itself to a conclusion but I
can't fathom how a garage can take this
period of time and I think that be
speaks to the issue of of U uh perhaps
not just the
inconsideration uh but the brazenness to
come in and on a 90 foot lot where the
code is very clear code is very clear
that uh circular driveways are not
permitted
that that suddenly we have uh it's not
something that they came to the
community came to the city and said we'd
like to
consider uh a circular driveway it came
to issue because a they cut the driveway
in uh they've had Vehicles parked on
that off and on over time equipment and
so on if you were to go past this
property I'm going to tell you it looks
like a war zone and that war zone has
been there virtually uh for for the
greater part of 19 months so I I I just
can't fathom how we can expect to have a
code that has meaning and enforcement if
we come and we say ah we're going to do
this uh and and uh when when challenged
they said we're told by I understand
people inspecting the sites that this
isn't uh uh something that's permitted
and it probably would not be approved
but they chose to go ahead again anyway
uh and I would just tell you that uh uh
you know if if this is permitted uh I I
don't know I talk to Sarah and see if we
might want a horseshoe driveway or a
circular driveway in our yard and I
think it goes down and down and down the
street and uh in neighboring streets and
so on there's a reason that that code
was created I think everyone needs to
reflect on why it was created and why it
should be abandoned in this
situation uh you you know it's uh we we
really just accepted month after month
after month well it can't last much
longer
does so I I I think that those are are
my thoughts and um would would hope that
they would be respected thank you Mr
Myers we appreciate your coming and
giving us your perspective on things
which we uh like to hear what the
neighbors have to say Mr and Mrs Quigley
would or Mr hadock or whoever would you
like to respond to the comments you've
heard on and the board is going to ask
questions too by the way you Mr Myers
and I apologize for the long 19mon
project there's no I don't think we're
in violation of timeliness if you walk
around the neighborhood you'll see how
it been under you're not addressing Mr
Meyers okay you can address his points
but not him you can address me well his
points are I think he's upset that it
looks like a war zone and we agree but
the future and what we're trying to do
is take the cars off the street so he
can make a leftand turn if we don't get
this turnaround there's going to be cars
parked on the street there's no
violation for us to park cars on the
street no so what we're trying to do is
help our neighbors by taking the cars
off the street so let me ask you a
question what if every one of your
neighbors wants a circular drive and I
give it to you do I have to give it to
every one of them too well first of all
Mr Myers no not Mr Myers I didn't ask
about Mr neighbor and he couldn't do
that well but I'm not
the last time we went in for a variance
he's still in violation he didn't
fulfill Mr Quigley listen this isn't
about Mr Meyers or his rot lot or
anybody else I'm asking you about a
consistency of rulings by the board here
okay right can we give one person with a
90 foot lot a circular drive and say no
to the next five people that come in
with 90 foot Lots well I believe you you
started the
with listening to the reasons because
you have are are but I'm asking you a
question now which you're avoiding the
question is would you be okay if
everybody up and down Stanberry that had
a 90 foot loot had a circular Drive yes
100% I okay if they didn't park on the
street that's where the danger is okay I
understand point is I for just my
personal opinion is I I love them I
think they're beautiful um I agree with
not addressing M I agree with Mr Meyer's
point you don't want cars parked in
there I love that you don't have to like
turn around and maneuver like Austin
Powers to try and get out of your
driveway I love that and I actually
think it's beautiful um when we drive
around the neighborhood I'm like I want
that kind of driveway this is this is me
who want that's good your op is just as
good as anybody else's believe I I see
it whether it's a big lot or not I I
enjoy the ease and the beauty and the
Elegance of the lines and I think the
Landscaping in between the way sometimes
there's grass in between pav in I just
think it's pretty um so I would you know
to your question broad broadly speaking
do everybody on the street have one what
do I think okay I mean I don't think
everyone would ask for one but in that
conceptual you know scenario I'm I
wouldn't be against it um that answers
my question perfectly yeah yeah let me
ask members of the board who've been
patient and quiet there whether you have
any questions or comments of either the
staff or the
applicants I've got to I just have a
question and a point um the yeah you you
were stating that part of the reason you
this is because of the construction
traffic are you referring to the
construction traffic on your own house
or you referring to some other
construction traffic that I'm unaware of
that's a good question and I think it
was unclear the way we described it
there's a lot of um traffic in General
on our street construction um
maintenance people Landscaping um all
all day long so it's it's sort of to to
keep the it's not correct it's it's
there's a lot at our house right now but
generally speaking it's more for the
road you know at large um so that's that
was not clear so that was okay thanks
for the clarification on that and then
the other question I have is um you know
you're you're talking about moving the
it'll move the cars off the street I I
don't really see that
because by code you even with the
circular driveway you have to park the
cars along the side of the house or in
the backyard of the house and so moving
the cars off the street you're just
going to create more blockage from
trying to get out of your garage and get
to the street because you're not allowed
to park cars on the circuit Drive fully
cor fully correct I agree with that 100%
um I think the point in my mind that I
would try to make is we in our current
lifestyle we have a lot of either and I
don't mean this from a construction
standpoint I mean from a the way we live
Amazon grocery drop off nannies kids
work running in it's more of a move off
this temporary Park here for five
minutes run in here grab this come out
and this flow instead of doing the
street hop it's just to to ease the
logistics of that um that's that's the
way I I picture it being utilized as
well as like I said backing down the
driveway um turning around in a
different way not not to leave Parks
cars parked on that street um on that
turnaround um because I do 100% agree
with the point that was made earlier by
by Mr Myers we don't want a metal front
yard I we don't at all I mean I love the
elevation of our home you know I'm an
architect and and I bought that house
because of the the facade I don't in
front of it I've got more landscape
lighting in there than you know like to
light it up at night because I I'm proud
of it I don't want to park a car in
front of it
yeah Mr chairman the the thing that I
I've grown concerned about is that it
appears to be have admitted three times
tonight that this would serve as
temporary parking so my concern is that
we'd be creating more zoning violations
by permitting this um on the property um
much to the um much to the detriment of
the homeowners they'd be creating a um a
nuisance have you uh talked to any of
your neighbors other than Mr Meers about
this
project 125 they yeah our neighbors
across the street I mean we're friends
with them um and also there's a neighbor
down the street who wanted to do the
same thing but didn't know if you know
how how to even go about doing it didn't
understand the process um so no I mean I
wouldn't say we've widely asked
consensus or anything and and we didn't
actually put in the dri the driveway
already we've been digging up to redo
the plumbing to redo electrical
everything is being redone in this house
yeah and and and to his point his
background is architecture and
construction so if I say this isn't
working all of a sudden that gets added
into the plan for Better or For Worse
and um he's married ultimately better I
I believe because I'm starting I'd like
to make that com because it was
addressed by the the committee and and
and Mr Myers as well but I I didn't cut
that driveway in with the intention that
I was going to you
know over without approval we actually
put a a drywall in
or we dug a whole we have a water
problem we have so much water in our
basement more than probably anybody on
our street if you look at the front the
Eric from the city the pling you know
utility company comes over and says you
have a water issue our street is always
wet like right at the front of our apron
it's always wet because of our storm so
we're trying to fix that and one of the
solutions was to put uh what are they
call the French drain not it's the it's
not the French strain it's it's a it's a
holding tank in your property so when
all the storm water comes off your roof
retention Bas that's the reason why we
cut the front yard off because that's
where it is okay there's 10 tons of
stone in the front yard with 200 linear
feet of French drain to withhold water
that comes from our neighbors because I
don't know where else it's coming from
so it doesn't go on the street or in
Bexley storm
yeah are are we allowed to address staff
or just be Bard I'm sorry are we allowed
to address staff or just the board no we
we have limited jurisdiction here we we
can only consider the variance request
question for the board
um prior to
2017 were there no limitations on
circular
drives prior to
2017 were there no restrictions on
circular drives No there were
restrictions but prior to a certain time
frame there were not in that time frame
though was in the
40s 7 70 1970 1970 do you want me to
give a little history please because um
what
happened yeah what happened in 2017 is
that we had so many of these coming and
we did have restrictions they just uh in
terms of the width and they had to come
before us for the radius all kinds of
things um surfaces you know whe Stone
concrete it did we had a lot of wasn't a
freefor all but we had so many that came
to us on smaller lots that we that the
mayor at the time put together um a work
group and it was taken very seriously it
was a work group that worked for months
and rewrote the ordinance and the
decision was made to take ordinance to
City a code change to city council um to
in that was the
150 um foot limit limit and that was
approved by Council so it's not really
this board that it
was we did not want a bunch we did not
want not we but that committee wanted to
limit the amount of circular drives
because it it it it may be beautiful to
some but as the custodians of the city
we want to limit The Hardscape and we
want to maximize green space and that
was the vehicle to do that and they're
also removing a parking space off the
street right by adding an approach so
that was another concern got okay I have
a question if that's okay Miss Dorne
please yes thank you um I you know I I
understand what we're looking at that
you know obviously it's pretty clear
that you know these two um code sections
um aren't met but I I'm kind of trying
to figure out if there are any unique
circumstances for this lot that makes it
any different than anyone else's um that
might qualify it for a variance and what
I've heard so far and I guess this is if
there's anything else please add to it
is that um there's construction which is
essentially the construction going on at
the home as well as other uh work
vehicles that you know for other
neighboring uh properties um and then
there's traffic but we're not talking
like traffic of city road right I mean
we're talking about Stanberry which is
not really a cut through compared to
like a a Cassidy is that correct well it
is in the morning it is pretty busy yeah
it's it's busy but I agree with you it's
I would never compare it to a Cassidy I
think that's absolutely 100% true you
wouldn't be living there if it was as
busy as Cassidy probably correct we
didn't think it was that busy and that's
why we moved right yeah right so that's
a yes um very correct and valid point um
I think from again just talking about my
perspective and the livability the space
it's it's a really narrow driveway
that's not doesn't have a lot of ease of
getting backing in and out of and and
just being able to to kind of swoop
around in the circular turnaround that's
that's really what it comes to it's that
it's safety and just the picking up and
dropping off of kids and I know that's
not unique to just us there's a lot of
people who have the same concerns um we
just happen to want to do something if
possible about it that's that's all but
you're you're right I agree with you on
on those points and I don't think
there's anything else you guys ID any
any other followup questions uh Heidi um
I if if there's any other unique
circumstances that you know aside from
what we discussed I'd like to hear that
but otherwise no other questions all
right so the the question is any other
circumstances that are true in your
situation which are not true in other I
mean it just doesn't sound let's just
say it hypothetically this doesn't get
approv then what stops us from stopping
it right at the apron you know we can
stopping what I'm I'm sorry
drive it's not it would not be allowed
it's a turnaround on the front yard
somebody wanted to do so if we could
pull the plan up if
we St my wife would like where she can
back up and turn you pull up what stops
us from you want a pointer can we give
him a pointer so he can well um are you
talking about right
here turn
arounds us
from of house because it's a parking
space and front yard parking is
prohibited by code not to park right you
mean to turn around Eric is that what
you mean right but it it meets the size
requirements to park a car so as far
as we're concerned it would be
considered a parking space and it would
require this board's uh review and
approval you can just hit that little
green button
line yeah so like so we went in and just
stopped it right here so you could come
in back out drive out or back
here come in pick up the kids and then
they back out and move
out right yeah Stop Parking at least it
gets the what our intent the street yeah
the street is busy for us maybe not as
busy as C Eric you should say though to
get the cars off the street because
we're trying to load and unload the kids
the way you're saying that mean sounds
like it's to get cars off the street to
Park which is not at all yes I'm
notun don't cars there yes I mean there
was Construction in the beginning
con you know there but construction's
going away Mr Myers we don't like living
in mud I
mean you know we want this to be done
our goal is to be dried in sure be
careful be careful though
okay yeah I
mean here's here's the uh procedural
reality of this evening there are
ordinarily seven people on the board you
need four votes to pass a an application
tonight there are five or there are six
now let's see five five shank Levine F
Dorne Marsh Turner Marsh is he's not on
oh Marsh is not on where's line Levine
is was on there I know so that's six you
have Turner Marsh Dorne F Rick and Beall
six so you have to get four of six as
opposed to
407 right Mr Marsh is not participating
Mr Marsh is not I understand that but
they're still
s can I say something about the
turnaround yes um because we've had that
before okay um that would just require
you if you wanted to move ahead and have
a vote and if this was voted down you
could come with a new proposal for a
turnaround but I would tell you that
when we've approved I can only think of
maybe two turnarounds and have been
doing this for three years and C's been
for a lot longer and one was on they one
was on directel they require a a very
detailed landcape land as well when you
do the presentation because we want to
make sure it's not you know from the
street look like just a square of right
concrete or asphalt so I think that is a
real possibility that you could come
back to this board for if this isn't
improved but it's not something that we
would just do tonight in L and this
all right are there any other questions
from members of the
board or comments all right I see no
indication and I can't see Mr line but I
chairman
behall yes yeah I just have a a quick
Point sure uh the question
of automobile safety is an important
one the greatest factor though in
automobile safety is speed and
ironically the way the best way to slow
down cars is actually on street parking
to have a narrower Street people
naturally slow
down so I'm I'm just mentioning that
because that seems relevant here
okay thank you
um
do I think that's it I think everybody's
had a chance to give us their opinions
if there's no questions or comments from
members of the board I would uh ask for
a motion to call the
question so moved so moved and then will
you read us the findings of fact
conclusions of law Miss Rose the
findings of fact and conclusions of law
for application number bcap
d2030 for property located at 124
stanbury based on the testimony
presented the board finds it appropriate
to Grant a variance from bexy code
section 12620 6 and 12620 6f to allow a
circular driveway to be constructed in
the front yard of a lot that is less
than 150 ft in width noting that the
subject lot is 90 ft wide the parking
would be permitted in the front yard and
this is a standard lot with no
significant or unique
characteristics and I I think it should
be noted that there would only be one
additional curb cut as compared to
sometimes there's two right because
they're going to use the driveway as the
other curb cut correct yes just to be
just
additional C right it only has one their
design only has one which distinguishes
it from other designs
so
um do you understand the findings of
fact and conclusions of the law as she
read them so if you'd like for us to
take a vote tonight we'll do so and
you'll either get your four votes or you
won't I don't know how it's going to go
I'm only one vote so you know sometimes
I don't know how I'm going to vote so I
hear everybody else's vote so you never
know how it goes but or you could ask to
table it and come back with a different
design but then you won't know whether
this would pass or not so you want to
take a let us go ahead and vote this
evening okay all right with that in mind
do I hear a motion to approve the uh
application and the findings of fact and
conclusions of law as they were read by
Miss Rose
Please Mr beho yes sir Mr Turner heard
the conversation last month do we have
to have a kind of definition as to what
a no vote means as what a what no
vote yeah this was read in the
affirmative in other words it says that
the findings of fact and conclusions law
are such that we would allow the
variance to be granted and we're talking
really about two variances here too but
I I think they both can be voted on it
one time because they're they're a
serious similarity here so yeah and the
vote dictates whether this is approved
or not yeah so the vote Yes means you're
allowing the variance to be granted and
no means you're voting against the
variance to be granted
so I'm not quite sure I understand two
variances I think they're
going
well this says that there's that the
circular Drive serves as an access
Corridor leading from a street to a
garage so a portion of your Drive is
your driveway right actually actually
it's the first variance to 12626 is to
allow a a circular drive on a lot that's
less than 150 fet in width yes and a
subsection under
12626 f is that a quarter leading yeah
from a street to a garage to off street
parking which
this and it not to be used for temporary
why would that be yeah so you you need
to
in other words to to do what your design
requires you'd have to get by both of
these subsections and the reason I
pointed that out because in the verbage
and in the application itself uh Mr
Quigley did intend to use this for
temporary parking so that's why I added
that in that's probably my fault because
I I I didn't I should have clarified
that again it was more of temporary in
the sense of a couple minutes it's not
it's people that are employed by
us or are dve deliver it doesn't matter
who it is it's it's a car parked in a
front yard that's front yard parking
regardless of of who it is so you can't
park in your driveway wait no no no let
me can I ask a question is it but but
you can temporary part I mean the point
of the circular Drive is also to stop
and maybe drop something or pick someone
off and leave so in my view that's
temporary Park but by temporary parking
you mean more visitor parking for an
extended period of time okay all right I
okay I'm sorry I meant temp like Park
get something I think it's not parking
it's a drop
off spot not a parking spot well let's
vote we
amend let's vote on the let's vote on
the
one uh read findings of fact conclusions
of law as to the 150 foot width and
we'll find out whether that's the
problem and if it's not then we'll go to
the second one we'll discuss whether we
even need it that's a good
approach okay so the findings of factual
allow based on the testimony heard to
allow a variance F go section 12 62.0 6
right to allow a circular driveway to be
constructed in the front yard of a lot
that is less than 150 fet in width
correct right so that's one one right
thank you all right um do I hear a to
approve the findings of fact conclusions
of law and the
application uh as read here a few
moments ago by m
Rose no motion to
approve that's an unusual
situation um
you're just moving you're not voting
you're just moving I'll
motion okay Brian thank you do I have a
second second second thank you Miss
Dorne all right uh Kathy please call the
role uh Mr
Turner um based on the the president
that's been set in the past and the
width of the lot I and the current code
I'm I'm voting now
no you voted no okay uh Mr LaVine no Mr
shik no Miss
Dorne no Mr fou no chairman
behal I'll vote Yes but it doesn't
matter you needed four votes so you only
got one but uh the application fails on
that basis and now you know there's
other methods of moving forward we don't
make the laws city council does you
could go to city council and talk to
them about changing the law for certain
predicaments yeah there you
go there you go that might be the next
step okay all right thank you very much
what what did he say I couldn't hear him
just out of
curiosity well that's that's mute it's
mute now because it's a subsection of
the first one so okay you're right thank
you thank you very much I appreciate it
thank you Mr Myers for your
participation thank you Mr hack thank
you the second case is case application
bz ap-20
d32 that the app involves 464 South
Parkview Avenue and uh the owner and
applicants Bob and Mary
Kendrick there we go are you Mary
Kendrick I am Mary Kendrick all right
thank you the applicant is Seeking a
special permit in accordance with Bexley
city code section
1264 uh 02c which
states um that decorative Landscaping
walls and fences which exceed 24 inches
in height above ground level but not
more than 42 Ines above ground level may
be allowed with a special permit from
the board of zoning and
planning
um so
staff why don't you give us a little
background information and then we'll
swear uh Miss Kendrick in
okay so the code allows a fence in the
front yard 24 inches in height to 42
inches in height with a special permit
from the board of zoning and planning
and the board in considering allowing
this that these are the following
criteria the proposed decorative
landscape wall or fence is compatible
with other properties in the
neighborhood the height of the fence or
wall does not exceed the size permitted
measured from the average grade of the
yard when the fence or wall is to be
installed artificially raising the
height of the lot by the use of mounding
retaining walls or similar means shall
be included in the maximum height posts
columns and finals may be extended up to
six inches above the maximum allowed
height of the fence panel a landscape
plan shall be filed with the application
indicating how such fener wall shall be
integrated in with the existing front
yard landscaping
uh the installation of a fence or wall
shall not create a visibility or safety
concern for vehicular or pedestrian
movement no chain link wire mesh or
concrete block or other similar type
materials shall be installed as a
decorative landscape wall or fence the
fence or wall shall be shall have a
minimum of 50% transparency and the lot
exhibits unique characteristics that
support the increase in the fence height
so I first want to show the uh site plan
uh this is a corner lot and and although
the front door faces brighten and it
appears as the front of the
house no probably one of the last
files U yeah so so the the front door
faces brighten road so that would appear
to be the front yard however this lot is
technically platted to Brien road so
along this the bottom at the screen that
is Brien road yeah and making the west
side of this lot the front yard so off
to the right and the
applicant um have photos indicating
there was
a overgrown vegetation pine trees that
were
removed and the applicant submitted for
a permit for a fence to install a
decorative rod iron fence so uh she has
since proposed Bo a row of boxwood that
are in place and have been reviewed by
our staff uh landscape consultant Ellena
who was very surprised to see the size
of the box wood and pleasantly surprised
thank you uh
so I see it there in the foreground yes
yes there it is there and so the fence
is proposed just behind that row of
boxwood uh the unique characteristic uh
that exists is the fact that the front
lot is planted to Park View yet the
house is oriented to brighten a sagard
fence limit is limited to 48 inches in
height and this proposed fence is in
fact 36 inches in
height uh so it would not appear out of
character for this corner lot or the
neighborhood so based on the unique
orientation of the house in lie of the
pled front yard and the compatible
design of the decorative fence and
Landscaping improvements staff
recommends approval of a special permit
as proposed
okay Miss Kendrick will you raise your
right hand and be sworn please yes
please please state your name Mary
Kendrick do you somly swear orir the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you so
that was a pretty good rendition of what
you're trying to do here is there
anything that you could add I mean this
is this Dr hicks's old house it is right
on the corner there yeah yep Sarah Frank
um sold it to us but Dr Hicks before her
I think right I think I would bet $
thousand dollar that it's that it's a
Briden roadh house if I were to bet my
money yeah right that's part of the deal
here is that west side is not nearly as
gracious and large as the front side as
the as the Brighton Road side I just put
it that way the north side yeah
well tell us a little bit about what
what you're trying to create here a
little bit and uh that will help us so I
think Paris I think French I think
beautiful so um so it turns out the
setback is eight feet so we want to
respect and follow the rule for the
setback so the fence would be put right
at the 8 foot Mark so at first I wasn't
sure put boxwoods behind or in front so
I looked at all sorts of photos from
Paris and from London trying to figure
out and a lot of them have the fence
within the boxwoods in front
so we went ahead and bought the biggest
boxwoods we could get from Oakland um so
a lady over there who's also named Kathy
took care of us with getting our
boxwoods in so so those are in placed
and we may add one or two more on the
other side of the tree that if you're
walking by you'll see um the tree to the
left but regardless so the those will
grow to right about three feet which is
the height of the fence which is three
feet so we just when we moved in it had
three lovely Scotch Pines but the Scotch
Pines apparently are dying of a fun
oh so they're dying from the bottom up
so the tops actually look pretty and if
you look at the property there are still
several Scotch Pines that we're trying
to hold on to as long as we can but
eventually they may have to go but um
but regardless when we took out the
Scotch Pines we had so many neighbors
walking by that said they loved it it
was opened up so rather than closing up
that space we thought we should leave it
pretty and open and show the chandeliers
and things like that so our goal is to
just make it you know pretty and in line
with Bexley because it's a very busy
corner it is and we love that it's such
a bu I I just I love it there I love it
so if everyone loves it it'll go in if
they don't love it then we'll find
something people like is this the fence
that you're putting it is so we found it
at architectural Savage over you know by
the um by the fairgrounds the owner
Chris um sold it to us and I'm not sure
where it came from but it's quite old
it's 35 fet in length so it does not
span the entire length of that um
property line
so it's definitely just decorative you
know it's not really going to keep
anyone out or anything but um but it's
be so it need needed to be fixed you
know it has a couple welds that needed
to be um stabilized and so it's being
painted at Forton um Iron Works and I
think they're now done with it and Dave
at Freedom welding was the person that
did all the welds to make sure it was oh
thank you so this did not come before
the architecture review board so I don't
have a report but just for the record I
I I appreciate so much what you're doing
here yeah this is a great great so
beautiful it is exactly the kind of you
know enhancement to our streets Gat it
yeah um love thank you so much for
saying that at the Gateway to Beckley to
Central Bexley at least that that corner
is pretty much a Gateway
yeah well okay let me ask if there's
anybody uh in the audience that's here
on this matter anybody showing their
raising their hand on the screen nope no
thank you members of the board do you
have any questions or comments about
this
project uh Mr sh do I do um I really
would like to thank you for what you've
done with this property as somebody who
lives in bexy park but likes to drive D
sorry dogs chasing the cat
um as somebody who likes to uh drive
down um uh Brien to catch Park View by
skipping Main Street um and then drive
back home that exact same way I've
always found those very tall boxwoods
that were there that preceded you to be
um somewhat of a danger um I think that
what you're doing here really does meet
the character of um many of the A4
mention studies that you've done and it
also um improves the safety for what is
a very busy Corridor there not only with
uh children and Runners and other
pedestrians but also with the nursing
home across the street so I I simply
applaud what you're trying to do here I
think it's very nice thank you all
right any other members of the board
have any questions or
comments with that I I'm sorry I have
one sorry Mr is this I'm not trying to
be nitpicky but is this truly a fence or
is this more of like yard art as since
it's truly just a fence down one side
and it doesn't really even cover the
whole side I mean I love the idea and I
love the whole premise of it to be
honest with you my in-laws did the exact
same thing buttled rod iron fence and
put around their yard but I I'm just
making sure that we're doing it
correctly because you know they have a
red Phone Booth up the street that's
considered yard art that we had to
approve so I don't know I I just want to
see what everybody's thought was on that
I I interpret this as a fence a
decorative
fence okay I just want to make sure if
it's getting approved it's getting
approved for the right thing is the
fence to go along Brighton or Parkview
or both par
Parkview Park
you all right if this was placed along
brighten it it wouldn't require a
variance because Brighton allows a 48
inch fence but being this is the front
yard they're they're limited to 42 with
a special
permit so the question here is are we
going to Grant a special perimeter or
not uh Kathy can you read the findings
of fact conclusions of law regarding
this matter please yes the findings of
facted conclusions of law for
application number bza ap-20 d32 for
property located at 464 South Parkview
based on the testimony presented the
board finds it appropriate to Grant the
special permit in accordance with beico
section
12640 2C to allow 36 inch high rot iron
fence along the west property
line very good do
I miss Kendrick does that comply with
your understanding of what we're seeking
here today what's your seeking yes thank
you thank you uh do I hear a motion to
approve the findings of fact conclusions
of Law and Grant to Grant the special
permit Mr shik thank you sir second I'll
second second thank you Mr
fat um please yeah Mr Marsh was down
there is he still down there he's there
I'm here okay thank you we lost your
photograph there's a good looking face
want to make sure you're there I start
calling names all right so
Mr Fout yes Miss
Dorne yes Mr Turner yes Mr Marsh yes
LaVine yes Mr sh yes and chairman beh
yes your special permit is thereby
granted and uh that's a nice imaginative
lovely way to handle it so I we applaud
you thank you so much thank you
all right the next application or case
before us under new business is
application bz
ap-20
D31 the applicant and the owner is Allan
Shore the address is 91 North Columbia
Avenue and uh the applicant is Seeking a
special permit here as well in
accordance with Bexley city code section
12 64.0
3B which states no fence wall or
combination thereof shall exceed 48 in
in height in the side yard setback area
as it faces a public or private Street
in order to allow an 18inch lattice trim
to be added to the top of the existing
48ft fence 48 foot 48 inch fence along
the South Clifton Avenue side of the
property there at Clifton in
Columbia do we have Mr shore
on the video here on the zoom have put
Mr sh into the panelist room all right
good should be good Mr here Mr
Shore yes can you hear me I can hear you
yes can you hear us okay as well iar I
hear you fine yes okay great let me ask
you while I've got you there uh see if
we can get your
video are we going to be able to get
that or is
people don't do okay they don't have
video will Mr Mr
Shore oh there you go how's that that's
perfect will you raise your right hand
so I can swear you in or have you sworn
in thank
you please state your name uh Alan Shore
you somly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank
you all right so staff tell us what and
why uh you believe this application to
be attempting to application for special
permit I should say to be trying to
accomplish here so quarter lot fences
are limited to 48 inches in height and
currently the applicant has an existing
48 inch fence along clipon Avenue that
runs between his garage and
house the house actually on this
particular lot is platted to
Colombia so Clifton Avenue is a side lot
and there's a city ride of way there
where we have actually made improvements
to the ride of way so I'm gonna get into
that all right uh the city has recently
made Street rideway improvements along
clipon Avenue the existing vegetation
and fence have provided an adequate
buffer over the years however with the
recent RightWay improvements made there
were certain amounts of veget tall
vegetation removed or trimmed back along
the existing fence the owner wishes to
provide an 18 in section to the top it's
a lattice section to the top of the
existing 48 inch
fence
um and provides transparency as well as
compensates for the vegetation removed
uh there's an opal landscape plan due to
the fact that there's still a good
amount of existing vegetation that is in
the city RightWay on the exterior side
of this fence um I believe I've got a
photo also in here that shows a little
section of the lattice added to the top
Oh I thought saw it there there it is in
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non-painted or painted and this one is
in raw so the board the board is able to
Grant a special
permit uh in in circumstances where
there's proper uh treatment of the upper
portion of the fence and adequate
Landscaping so uh the style of the fence
meets the criteria and that it includes
transparency from 12 to 18 Ines of the
fence the existing overgrown bushes did
impede on The Pedestrian RightWay and
although it's been cut back during the
RightWay improvements a good portion
remains I'm not sure we see the need to
add additional due to the right of-way
modifications the amount of existing
landscaping and the addition of lattice
to existing fence staff finds the
proposed modifications to add 18 inches
of lattice to the existing fence meets
the criteria and recommends approval of
the special
permit okay
Mr Shore uh looks like we we have
similar to the last case we have a 48
inch high fence which you're going to
maintain and then I assume the lattice
tell us a little bit about what your
plans are for the appearance uh of the
lattice the color that kind of thing and
what your reasoning is for wanting that
additional footage um so it will be the
same color as the
fence um I believe it's a sure when we
Willams color called heavy
metal
um we found out we're we're getting a
sidewalk and so we will have people what
we've always considered our yard we will
have people s eight feet into our yard
which is into the
RightWay um and we would just like that
extra amount of
privacy right what what is between the
fence and your actual house is there all
green space in there
yes
okay um is there anybody in the audience
that is for or against uh this matter
that would like to speak to the board of
zoning and planning there is no one here
there indicate there's nobody that is
here to talk about it members of the
board do you have questions or
comments either from Mr Shore or the
staff a quick question I think this is
for staff uh on the present picture
where will the sidewalk be going in will
we see it on what's presently on the
screen or no
right will be uh as I'm looking at the
picture you see the green um uh oh hey
the little Evergreens it will be to the
right of those
okay okay thank you the fence is roughly
20 feet off
Clifton
okay the
existing all
right and the sidewalks along Clifton
correct along Clifton yeah
right
okay
um members of the board any other
comments or questions
here if not I'd ask u m Rose to give us
findings of fact and conclusions of law
regarding this special permit
request the findings of fact and
conclusions of law for application
number bcap
20-31 for property located at 91 North
Columbia based on the testimony
presented the board finds it appropriate
to Grant a special permit in accordance
with bexy code section 12640 3B to allow
18inch lattice top on the existing 48 in
wooden fence and painted the same color
as the existing
fence okay I think that's good reading
uh Mr Shaw are you uh okay and
understand the the terms and conditions
uh that were associated with that
finding a fact and conclusions of law
yes I am okay uh do I hear a motion to
approve the findings of fact and
conclusions of law please
who mooved Sean Turner thank you there's
a second Mr Marsh thank
you Kathy please call the role Mr shik
yes Mr
Levine
yes Mr Marsh
yes Mr
Turner yes Miss
Dorne yes Mr Fout yes and chairman beof
I also vote Yes Mr Shore you have the
special permit and may proceed to do a
nice job there and hopefully you're G to
be able to protect your privacy a little
bit all right thank you very much guys
thank
you all right I just want to know
there's no um new further new business
than I'm aware of does anybody on the
board have any new business Mr chairman
there's a question that was asked in the
chat which I thought was a good one uh
Rick and I uh both noticed that we were
not able to see the the
witnesses is there any way that that
could be included somehow so that we
could see who's speaking normally you
would because they're usually at home
and on Zoom however we were surprised
this evening and two of the applicants
actually showed up here at City Hall so
we had the microphone set up so you
could at least hear them and they
couldn't display anything additional
just what you have received in your
packet I don't know how that problem
right we've never had anybody just show
up we could have them on this side of
the camera but it it gets us all too
close to each
other I yeah that that's fine I
understand that I mean when we were
talking about the the possible
turnaround um I know that uh Mr Quigley
was uh you know indicating something on
the diagram there but we couldn't see
what was going on and what was being
proposed it was it made any material
difference I think to our eventual vote
but it would have been useful from my
perspective speaking from
well that was that was a I'm glad you
point it out because when you're here uh
like I am who's somewhat electronically
challenged I mean I don't know how the
how it's all going on but somehow the
person always appears there but in this
case I couldn't tell whether you could
see them or not so I didn't know either
that's interesting it would have been
use it would have been useful even just
to recreate it for us after after he he
did it there on the screen yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah that's good don't ever
feel bad inter ing to ask to do that um
I never envisioned becoming a zoom
expert at
my useful age Twilight of
my can you see the screen though is that
kind of hazy when you're looking at the
screen that's behind us it's washed out
yeah yeah we should do it on this
one can they are they viewing this are
you VI can they no they can't do that I
I could yeah a I'm hearing that and B I
can only see a quarter of the screen
behind you no what I'll do from now on
is annotate it like this okay I was
about to ask if we had like Ms or
something like I don't know why I didn't
think about that but I I've done
that I just I can do that it's my fault
I just didn't it a little thrown off
having people here right could there be
a front faing
webcam what could there be a
front-facing webcam that maybe could be
a just participant but I I'd like to try
to minimize people being here as much as
possible right um you know the cases are
rising and the mayor has closed down
City Hall again to the public okay so
what I always do for ARB and we'll now
do it for Bap as well um we usually we
have it covered because so many times
people come to ARB first is call them
ahead and confirm that they know it's on
Zoom so we we just kind of miss that one
um if we get to a point where it loosens
up a little and we can have people here
we'll look into a webcam but I know that
restrictions are now are getting tighter
so maybe for the foreseeable future you
it don't offer the option of personally
appearing well it says to see the
website on the notice that I send out so
I was that's why we were surprised that
they did check in so um also just before
we go since it's a nicer shorter meeting
I wanted to just let all of you know
that um we had a I think I already told
you this but we had a wonderful meeting
um with the garage group work group and
did also just send out doodle to
schedule the next one we wanted to do it
two weeks later but we are underwater
here yeah um just to give you an idea of
what's down the pike Kathy and I have 19
applications for architecture review
board I don't know how many will filter
down to all of you I don't I I didn't
think seven so you know be patient with
us work but we'll keep you posted we're
we're um working hard at the garage
workshop and I will get to the other two
as well but um you know the construction
business and remodeling is doing great
in economy and being we break in
December I think that's why we kind of
get this rush in November so would that
make sense yeah so thank you for
patience and thanks for pointing out
what we didn't realize on this end yeah
no that's good I can annotate it from
now on I like this is Ryan um I don't
want to miss another garage meeting I
did not see a doodle go out so I just
want to confirm that
oh I sent one today I will double check
your email all right that'd be
great all right folks uh there being no
additional
business the meeting is adjourned have a
good evening thank you everyone thanks
good night you good night everyone thank
you guys for coming