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call to order the October 13
2022 uh Bexley architecture review board
can we have uh the roll call please Mr
Scott here
it's krosky here Mr higher here
Madam chair Tony here
uh this part of the meeting is for
public comment so this is the time that
if you're if you would like to speak
about something that is not on the
agenda tonight you could come before us
now uh and speak about it if it's
something that you would like to talk um
that is talk about that is on the agenda
we will do it when that matter comes
before the board so is there anyone in
the audience that would like to speak
about something not on the agenda
tonight
seeing nothing uh let's go next to
approving the minutes from the last
meeting
I did not see them I did not post them
because I didn't get them yet okay
so we will do that at the next
meeting
September so that will move on to the
November we will hopefully approve both
meeting minutes
um okay so the next thing would be old
business
and so we have
um we had four applications that were
tabled in the last meeting
three of which
um are tabled to move on to the next
meeting so if you are here for
application bzap 20-52
which is the Community Builders project
or if you are here for bzap 22-35 which
is the address is 545 North Drexel
or if you are here for ARB 22-49 slash
bzap 22-39 the address is 2735 those
have all been tabled to the November
10th meeting
so the one project for old business that
we will hear is um application number
ARB 22-52 the address is 119 South
Remington the applicant is Andrew Hanna
the owner is Ander Hannah
and the applicant is requesting
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
covered porch patio Edition and
modifications
um before we start that one I also just
wanted to point out
um
chairperson Tony that the last case 333
South Park I think it's north Parkview
is withdrawn I don't I don't think
anybody else is here oh just in case
anybody is here for that reason
yes so that was the 333 North Park View
so if anyone's here for that uh address
either that one was withdrawn so
okay
so can we uh Karen can we get your
report on yep
uh their 119 South Remington yes
so um 119 South Remington just by the
way a reminder is the project that came
before us last month just to get some
yeah you can come whenever I'm gonna
give an introduction first and then
we'll square you in and then you can
talk
um that was the one that came without
and any drawings but it was a little
confusing at first because we realized
there weren't any drawings specific to
the house but we had a really nice
conversation about they have a little
indented part in the back I I actually
in the staff report
um if you have looked at it I put a
picture in the front of the house
um because that wasn't in there for
context
um and we went through some of the
applicants pictures of of kind of what
he wants to do talked it through did it
as treated as a preliminary review
tabled it to this date specific and now
he has come back with
um drawings hired a grass person
designer to do them the floor plan which
I've already talked to
um Mr Hannah about is a little bit
rougher than the elevations but
um there I think is enough there for us
to have a good discussion I'm fine a
staff with it being conditioned on me
working with them further I think there
are some things that I already warned
him that the board I'm sure we'll talk
about
um me matching the columns on the front
not that they're anything
um that complicated anyway but matching
as many of the details as as um he can
on the primary house
um it does not need variance
um we double checked that because it's
first time we've seen it in plan
um I can bring up any pictures oh this
is the one that's sideways
I will figure out how to rotate it while
we Square you in but
um that's all I really have is just I
think it's pretty self-explanatory I
will tell you that the I didn't really
get that the last plan with all the red
circles on it was an electric
um the start of an electrical plan
for the placement of the flight so I was
a little confused how many columns are
we going to be Outlets okay but that
that's kind of irrelevant to the to the
review
okay please state your name Andrew
Hannah
do you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I do thank you
we have a
we haven't figured it out on the house
happy birthday
oh baby
sorry we're all trying to get our
screens adjusted because all of our
images are sideways
so did you get sworn in I'm sorry I did
you did okay do you want to just talk
through uh some of the changes that you
made and yeah so more or less it's um I
want to redo the the driveway and
concrete and essentially put a roof over
it but while I'm doing that I want to
start amending the siding which
eventually I want to do the whole house
uh so here uh last month the board had
asked for some elevation so I engaged in
architect uh basic uh hardy-born baton
called out some trim and some some I
guess additional details uh none of this
was in the uh the blue beam set I did
last month
um so I do have uh architectural
elevations uh that were requested I've
got all the structural stuff in there
um I know the layouts kind of there's a
lot of colors and things on there
um but again it's it's more or less
redoing my driveway and concrete in the
back there and then building this roof
um and calling it a patio
I did put an electrical uh page in there
just to let you guys know I was going to
do lighting and a fan
um my electrician will pull permits for
that and
tune that up when the time comes
okay is there a board member that would
like to go first and
talking about this application
I think Jocelyn are you okay going first
oh sure
um
so I I like that yeah I like what you
brought back
um I agree with Karen that you know uh
get the columns to look more like what
you have going on up front like carry
that detail around that'll help things
look more cohesive
um I don't know if you're going to like
have furniture out there or what but I
mean with the fact that you've turned
your one stare at the door to the left
um I don't know if you wanna I'm trying
to get mine under terms but I can't
seem to do it
um just you know where that where the
stairs not the two steps down at your
sliding doors but yeah right there in
that corner yeah yeah
um just be mindful that's why it'll be
good for you to work it out through plan
um to make sure that like you know this
the stoop that you have out there with
the railing like that you're not
depleting because you also have stairs
at your sliding doors like do you have
enough space to actually like have some
nice furniture out there and whatnot so
I do it's 14 by 28. okay there's
yeah just work it out through plan just
to make sure that you can actually you
know have a nice layout out there for
your stuff
um let's see standing seam roof
I think that's all the comments I have
thanks
I think like working details through
Karen is fine
Mr hire
well um
I'll start with one little thing that
might be helpful your wall sconces is
that an up and down light
I want it to be yes
um just be careful that you can get it
dimmable
and that you use a low Kelvin
LED because otherwise you're going to
have like Street Lamp color yeah I want
it all warm yeah warm tone and I do want
them dimmable yeah
yeah I don't know if you've seen the
synagogue renovation up on Broad Street
but they have these kind of lights and
they're they're like super super bright
I have seen that um e stuff just Easter
yeah I did notice that
um I mean I commend you for doing the
the layout and hiring the architect to
help with this
um my only comments really have to do
with details as usual
um The Columns I think you can work with
design consultant on what those will
look like in reality yeah
um the capitals and the and the bases
um and then for instance the fascia uh
if you go to the section cut whether the
structural one or the architecture one
doesn't matter
yeah
the section there's a you're showing
trusses which is fine I don't know if
those are going to be stick built or
there's going to be
right
so if you're if you're going to do that
um the section actually shows a beam
that the architecture was named is not
showing so that needs to be clarified
with the design consultant because we we
prefer to have the columns support a
beam that in turn supports the roof yeah
structurally that's how I intend to have
it done and then if you're going to do
that if you look at the structural
detail here
um you you really don't need this big of
a what we call a fascia if you just
align this with this one through your
ceiling on the inside just have that
come all the way through
um you'll have room to show the beam
above which will look a lot cleaner
instead of pulling it down and making
that gutter fascia really big you don't
need that much spaceship for it
um the other thing on this that I would
ask to review is if you look at the side
of the main elevation looking at the
three piers
I would encourage you to move that
column
um on the left against the wall because
that's originally where I had it
and
um
I had been back and forth with the
architect so many times uh I almost felt
bad
um I but I do want it in the corner that
you've got a dead space right exactly
that's what I was going to say it's it's
unusable okay you can just trim it out
against the brick yes
um you don't need to have the full
Capital against the wall you could even
do like a half a column or half a pier
and then at the other end the trusses
and the beam when you look up you're
going to see a beam coming across the
columns on top for your structural
detail that needs to return that beam
needs to return back to the house right
which means that you're going to have
another beam there that'll be right
above the column and then you'll have an
overhang for the roof like you're
showing but yeah I I wanted the roof
kind of to overhang that plane and then
the same thing with the upper column
trim a little bit right you know how
that's done but yeah again I
I was back and forth quite a bit to make
it this far yeah it's helpful for us we
it's an eye-opener for us to see
a client who wants something in the
architect you know going back and forth
I get that so once you have the beam
exposed and wrapped
um it'll take care of those concerns and
then putting it up against the wall and
working out the details with the design
consultant for the um for the column or
the peer cap and base and you want these
to sit right on the concrete
yeah I um it I was talking to Karen you
know the structure is pretty simple it's
it's really about the uplift from the
wind so I was gonna have a sonotube um
poured with like a pier and they have a
Simpson strong tie that'll it'll tie it
into the concrete but we'll trim it and
weatherproof it and right so what's the
trim that you're going to use on the
base it says wood but I want to use azac
or some sort of exact is great stuff yep
and I recommend honestly that you hold
it up a little bit because if you're
going to use a Simpson
connector to the concrete
you know it'll allow water to uh to pass
through unless you're going to keep the
azac down on the concrete and then
somehow
seal it I don't want anything be
touching okay I want to leave a little
yeah so you know you can leave half inch
inch at the bottom it looks kind of
funny because it's supported up a little
bit but um it'll be better in the long
run just a technical detail I agree but
I'm glad you kept the windows on at the
end and uh I was wondering and plan if
you would consider
um oh I do see it there your stairs in
the structural drawing the stairs are
two-sided but in the architectural it
shows the handrail
so
um my initial plan was to walk like
straight out down yeah in the elevation
and then after thinking about it
um if you exit my garage and come in
that way there's kind of a cool entrance
if it's roughly five foot
um and you can align it with the window
Molly in there and dye the hand rail in
there so it gave me enough space to kind
of have like a landing a landing with
like a kind of a more defined entry
rather than just walking out that will
either direction sure I just kind of
like that look better is it truly
just is it two steps up or three steps
it'll be three I believe okay then you
do need a handrail I was gonna say if
you did it with two and had the
threshold of the door be the last step
but the house is actually stepped so
that floor where that door is going is
at a elevation relative to that back
door so I don't I don't believe I'll be
able to overcome that height okay yeah
yeah I was gonna say I mean visually
when you're on this porch if you're
going to be using it like Jocelyn was
saying you know that's going to be a
visual deterrent to have that railing
there instead of making it feel nice and
open yeah so I would consider even if
even if you uh well you'd still need a
handrail but you could do it against the
wall if it was two-sided instead of just
being one-sided and that might clean it
up for you
just a thought yeah otherwise I would I
would say that the issues that I brought
up would be to work with design
consultant on that beam clarification
I'm open to suggestions great
that's all I have
Miss dresser
yeah my only question was about the
handrail area as well because it feels
awkward Under The Roof
to have that sort of arrangement stuck
in the corner there and it and it did
come straight out but I'm not seeing the
context like you you know the context
sometimes yeah I mean I it's code uh
essentially I'd rather not do it but you
know no I I meant if it I think you said
you envisioned a person
straight out that door yeah yes and yeah
you'd walk straight out yep
to me that would be a better result at
least from this U or this angle you
mentioned some other connecting area
that maybe when you come in from the
garage I felt like I could gain maybe
another little seating area or something
nestled up there rather than if it were
you walk straight out then that's your
kind of your Ingress egress path yeah I
thought maybe we could put some chairs
and table in that little Nook assuming
the column goes back to the corner there
yeah right where the column sitting
right here yeah that'd be a little bench
area yeah exactly
Mr Scott
let me go to the colored coded site plan
yes
um I agree with everything that's been
said so I'm just going to add to uh this
drawing here so you have an existing
driveway coming off the street right
you're adding a new concrete
um which is extending the driveway
repairing that driveway
um and then pavers in the back between
that and the garage correct correct then
you have uh new concrete to the kind of
to the left of those pavers between your
covered patio now in the garage correct
correct the new Factory basically
surrounds the pavers with the exception
that purple color which is Page left
here but up to the garage it's got a
little apron on the house side and I'm
just going to keep that into that
for me the the the special spot here is
the covered patio and it it at first
just felt like it was you're basically
putting almost like a port crochet like
in park under which you're not it's
going to be a little patio for you right
correct so I would highly recommend
putting your your
pavers your Bluestone on the patio to
differentiate that special spot and let
your driveway be the driveway right to
me it's strange to have this little
rectangular blue stone pavers surrounded
by kind of this coming up the concrete
drive and then like wrapping around it
to me that just sounds it just seems a
little strange because it makes to me it
feels like the driveway is coming and
rotating around I'm assuming the papers
are there because you're gonna put a
little patio oh yeah I was going to put
a little outdoor seating there and that
kind of delineates where that little
outdoor is because the garage opens up
on that side it's kind of a nice hangout
Zone yeah so and I think then for me
that the patch of concrete to the left
of those pavers that's between the
garage and your patio seems a little
strange uh
my thought was that's just kind of a
utilitarian walkway like it is but it's
also but it's going to feel like an
extension of your covered porch because
it's all one yeah you don't have any
elevation change right right if you if
we raise it it feels like a little bit
more of a front porch but it's a back
patio so I'm trying to keep in my head
that this is kind of a side back patio
but I just worry that that concrete
wrapping around the pavers is strange
and I would suggest bringing those
papers into your covered area
to kind of dress up that
patio
you can still pull into the garage from
that driveway in the front you can pull
into the right side but I I we talked
about this last time I have a two-car
door uh in the back okay
there's a door in the front though there
are two doors in the front and then
there's a there will be an 18-foot door
in the back right now it's whatever and
that driveway should continue to the
Austrian parking and improved location
which is the rear yard
it does do that okay but when but to try
to turn that into the patio and then the
next thing you know we have a fence
permit that that you can't do that you
would have to go to the board and ask
for variants and they'd probably want
you to remove the driveway yeah I'm just
giving you heads up a fence permit well
I'm just saying you can't consider that
you can't fence that off
and leave that driveway in the front
if you ever decide you want to fence off
that backyard patio area it is currently
fenced off
yeah it is fun stuff but fenced off
across the drive it is
did you get a variance for that I got a
permit
do you have a gate I do yeah okay it
fits it and pull back yeah it's a it's a
roughly 20 foot gate okay
okay
that means code
so that and that's not a condition I
just think
when this is all done that I mean and if
you activate it with Furniture the paper
area is nice okay yeah I'd like to do it
all in blue yeah
I know I don't know I can't answer you
right now let me price it I would love
to I love that for me you know the patio
is the active spot right yeah
it's raining you're gonna be able to sit
up there yeah and I know you got these
steps and these other things happening
so it takes away from that space But you
know it becomes your side back porch and
that's going to be where you know
dinner's probably in a you know nicer
days you might be able to sit out in the
other areas but
so that little square blue stone so
adjacent to that patio to me is the
issue if it was floating out somewhere
else I would understand it more
so to me walking that and how I see it
in my head is that it would be like this
driveway wrapping around this patio
and uh with a garage door there so I
just feel like the blue stone in my mind
wants to be on your covered area
but I understand why you have it there
because you're trying to activate that
so it's not a condition I'm just such a
record can you drive on Bluestone over
years and have it hold up he's planning
on dropping on it I mean you can I I
wouldn't you know drive it every day in
and out but um I I really like the idea
I'm definitely going to price that out I
think you're going to be happier with
that up upgrading the because you don't
want that patio to feel like you're it's
an extension of your driveway right so
having even the colored con something
different the different shade uh what's
your firm I should have
I like it so there there are um
um industrial strength pavers that look
like boost Bluestone one's called Bell
guard I don't know if you've heard of
them I have I've seen a bunch of them
where like around pool areas or like
Drive Lanes or fire Lanes you can kind
of uh check those boxes
the bellguard has a paver like this that
you'll see around pools and it has the
same kind of pattern that you're showing
in the little snippet here of your blue
stone and if you could
you know fill that whole area for the
budget that you're looking for
um because Bluestone is always yeah you
know five times right the price yeah so
just a thought
I will definitely look into that yeah
that would be gorgeous I mean that idea
is fantastic to make that call save
money on the Bluestone and do the whole
thing
that's a good suggestion you'll be
happier
anything else
no
my only question was about your
utilities that are all you've got a
couple air conditioning units some
panels and stuff there where is all that
moving to so there was a section
whenever I submitted this um with
pictures and I marked it on this right
there see on the on the other side of
the house I put that and it's adjacent
to where my neighbors is
um and there were pictures
so it's the little blue thing sticking
out on the side of the house over here
yeah okay well it's bottom of the screen
now when it's rotated there so those are
the eight the AC units yes and what what
about the gas meter and the gas meter
removed to the uh driveway side it'll
it'll move around the corner essentially
and so will the electrical feel okay
okay and then you've also got wires
coming in are those all going
underground that's all junk they're like
old cable that we don't even use one of
them was like the the support and guy
wire for you know whatever cable service
with some phones so how does your
electricity come into your house right
now it's overhead into that corner but I
want it it'll move out around the corner
it's
um basically around the corner from
where the porch is you could also put it
underground as part of the project if if
you really want to get rid of them I
would love it yeah your uh your roof is
coming you know all that is coming up to
a point right at that where if you're
just going to move it around the corner
so yeah I've varied utilities and other
projects and it's I again I would love
to do that but I don't know that I can
afford that yeah
so um but yeah that was my question was
where all that was moving yeah I'm kind
of stuck with electric and gas in that
vicinity obviously my panel is right in
there but the hvc is pretty easy to move
to the other side
okay
um
I don't have anything else then
they're a board member that would
like to make a motion
oh I'm sorry is there anyone in the
audience that would like to comment on
this project
can you guys see my sweat back there
yes please read the founding bill you
made a lot of suggestions were any of
those recommendations
okay good they're all things all right
so the findings of fact and decision of
the board for application number
arb-22-22 for property located at 119
South Remington the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued
noting that the porch Edition
is architecture compatible with the
existing structure
subject further subject to a final
design review of the construction plans
by the design consultant
do you understand the findings of fact
as they were read
yes
is there a board member that would like
to make a motion on this proposal so
moved seconded
I will read the role Mr Hyde yes Mr
Scott yes Miss croskey yes sir yes Madam
Tony yes wow
you are approved thank you for working
with me on this I'm this is a great
example of a homeowner yeah doing
himself who happens to have a
construction background too but it's
still I told Karen you wouldn't know it
from the blue beam pan plans but I am a
builder I didn't mean to say really
I think you laugh I'm impressed you're
using blue beams yeah there's nothing
wrong with the blue beam yeah it really
isn't I did the engineering sheet that's
that's my world the elevations I leave
to the pros
um thank you you were a pleasure to work
with
thank you
okay on to new business the next
application is number bzap 22-41 the
address is 317 North Columbia the
applicant is Stephen schwope the owner
is Jennifer and Seth cammeyer the
applicant is seeking and a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for Architectural Review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for an addition and
covered patio at the rear of the
property
what Karen Giver
um sure background so this application
is
um I think it's pretty self-explanatory
I think there were a few questions the
board member had about column placements
Etc my main concern over this was how
close it is to the property line not
because this is a zoning board this is
not what we do here but I did include in
your packet the site plan from Joe
testa's website I didn't care that it
was as inaccurate as sometimes they are
but I wanted to make sure that the board
could all see that it is not up against
any other structure nor will it be
because that's the governor's
um empty yard on that side and Gardens
and in the back is just another it's
it's a very odd kind of
um intersection of of lots there's
another smaller lot behind them that
also has a pool and Shrubbery so
um to me I'm sure there will be some
um discussion of the architecture but
generally seems pretty acceptable to me
but I wanted to make sure that you could
all see and I can bring it up here if
you need me to but it's in the staff
report the the um site plan which was
not included as extensively as I think
it's important to see
okay is the applicant present
Kathy I'll swear you in
state your name Steve spoke do you
solemnly swear or from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you will you give us an
explanation of your project please yes
of course
um so this is
um
basically a project that the homeowners
are looking to engage their their
backyard they had installed a in-ground
pool
um
and pull one in first
um maybe a little bit out of order as it
normally would be but uh to that end
they had a they had an opportunity to
kind of activate the rear of their house
and connected to both both the pool
element and the living space together
the primary living space so
um the the extent of the project
includes just an outdoor Gathering area
that's tucked into kind of inside corner
of the of the existing house and garage
as you can see in the site plan I do
appreciate you calling out
the kind of General context of the
surrounding sites
um I did pull it up for you here so
everyone can see
this is the site yeah so it's a sideways
house
um on the lot
um so that really is there there's
really a kind of limited
um area to work with and and kind of
maintaining the Privacy that that they
desire and and keeping within the
um context of the of the the site
boundary
um I thought we did a pretty good job of
kind of meeting the needs of the client
um they wanted to introduce a kind of an
exterior bathroom and a storage area
that you see in the site plan
um to kind of supplement the in-ground
pool area and then obviously an outdoor
kitchen element to kind of
and close that area but you know still
keeping open open Vibe
um that overlooks the pool area in the
back
um
so this was an existing the existing
living room that you see was an old
garage that had kind of a triple Bay
um Rhythm to it
um the intent for me and as the designer
was to kind of play up the that
architectural element and carry the
carry the structure through on those Bay
Lines as you can kind of see and that's
that's what kind of drove the place in
the columns to begin with
um
so
kind of the culmination of everything
together this is kind of what we came up
with and it I think it I think it suits
the needs of their uh what they want to
how they want to use the space so
is there a board member that would like
to go first on this
Pete
I was gonna go first Mr higher would you
like to diverse sure
um yeah this is
beautiful
uh layout I I dream about having a space
like this but just not possible in my
life
and I'm gonna call those beautiful
Dormers the wall Dormers you have on
that house I think I'll start calling
them a cameyer dormer because
um it's just it gives such character to
this house the eyebrow stuff oh they're
just fantastic this house is just so
beautiful
um so my comments have to do with
character of detail and what I'm seeing
here in the drawings
um just doesn't have a lot of character
uh and what I'd like to and it doesn't
take much I think to to kind of have a
little bit of a little bit more
character for instance you're getting
close with these peers but I would take
this neck molding and I would cut it in
I would cut the distance in half to the
capital this is this is a big wide area
here and just a suggestion that it would
look better and More in proportion if it
like lined up with the top of the window
instead of of being way down here it
looks like it's dropped
that's one suggestion
it'll just give you a nicer proportion
the other thing is these overhang Beams
I get the beams but I think when you
look up at this it's going to feel a
little hotel-like because it's just so
square and and rectangular and
everything and what you typically see
with a Pergola or even a porch like this
is you do something special with this
beam it doesn't need to be this thick
all the way out and you can either angle
it up okay so that it it's like a a
cantilevered beam that's actually
reducing in thickness as it works its
way out
that would be a nice touch
um and then one thing I thought about
was you could come part way out and then
curve it you know you got curves up here
you could do a curve underneath the ends
of those beams could be curved up I'm
trying to think of a way to just give it
a little more character that you know
kind of ties in with the house it's a
little more work but I think you won't
regret it because if they're spending
time out here and they're going to be
sitting there looking up enjoying a
drink watching kids by the pool whatever
to have little details like that will
just make this it'll take it over the
top
um so particularly if you if you look
here like is this overhang I don't know
why it's so short it looks Stumpy
um I would make it the same as the
overhang of this coming out
you know to go the same distance this
way as this one is coming out does that
make sense yes
and then you do something special with
the underside of that beam reducing it
as you work your way out so it's going
to get thinner uh on the underside as
you work your way out beautiful detail I
think you won't regret it you'll see
lots of pergolas that do this they might
even shape it in some way instead of
just having to go you know straight out
um and that's always a nice way we call
it like a rafter tail and they're just
beautiful and I think you could work
with the design consultant on that but I
think it would just add that character
I'm serious it would as an architect I
can tell you those little details really
do take these projects over the top
um but yeah this looks Stumpy I would if
you go to the other elevation that shows
the side of this
yeah so this Dimension here
I know this side is longer okay because
you have the bar that sticks out but
this Dimension here I would match that
on the other side at the end when you
look up you'll see these beams going in
two directions and they'll be the same
length and that'll look way nicer than
having three different lengths that
looks like you know you were doing what
you had to do but that's it now you're
intentional and now you're showing that
this does have that level of design with
these details so yeah the um reflect to
see the kind that I when I put together
should give us a better understanding of
what that how that ceiling play is you
know what I'm sorry I did something
planned reflective ceiling plan should
be on the top of the floor plan page
yeah you can see that clearly there
cool yeah that's it no right there oh no
there you go right there so these two
right here should I think should be the
same like there's nothing stopping you
from making these two the same language
have this extend out a little bit more
with this one so that this beam is equal
to this yeah that's that seems like it
makes a lot of sense to it'll it's just
yeah again you're going to be looking at
this in 3D all the time looking up or
the homeowners will and then this one
okay fine you want an extra length on
this you might even consider making the
design of the underside of that beam
slightly different
because it's longer and because it's
doing something special at that location
so these are little design things that
really again you know will give it a lot
of character you can somehow maybe you
know find something on the house that
will that you could use to tie in with
that the architect uh working on this
but otherwise
um
that's very nice I don't have any other
comments
oh my goodness
I'm good with everything he just said I
don't need to go further
Mr Scott
uh that's why I wanted you to go first
uh because I actually was I was
questioning the
you know column to beam
and roof slam on the design and all of
the I mean in this plan it looks like
you have two horizontal beams that are
carrying a lot of that roof load and
then you have this kind of coffered
ceiling inside the perimeter but then
your coffered ceiling bleeds out that
are implying that they're beams but
there's no columns so uh in in essence
you have columns picking up these these
gridded beams are on the perimeter but
then the Comfort ceiling bleeds out over
the bar on right where the pointer is
but there's no columns so to me there's
a there's a there's a the structural
essence of that is kind of falling away
which is okay but
um I was starting the question you know
do you want to bring those
beam lines above that where the mouse is
there out
so I paused let Mr higher go first and
and now I'm working this it's fine so
you're seeing I'm not you're on the
beyond the the right side beam line when
I was coming into this I was questioning
that move architecturally and how that
was going to be handled but I let Mr
High well I was asking if I paused let
Mr Harrison come come at it and
listening to that I'm more convinced
than I was that this was fine what
you've done is fine
um I just structurally just it it starts
to fall apart there but you're doing
some extra moves and
um those aren't beings because there's
nothing holding the beams up right right
because to Coffer the two center lines
that are between your fans those are
implying beams when you start to bring
them out over all the way out to the eve
but there's nothing in the middle that's
a column nothing structural yeah it's
changing from just a comfort ceiling to
a beam and it's it's playing both roles
and to me that starts to uh for me
starts to kind of Fall Apart I don't
want to add columns I think the design
of this is the layout of this is
excellent I think any neighbor that was
looking at this would never have a
problem with this outdoor living room uh
so it's just the subtleties of that play
So I really agree with
changing those the the edges of that
perimeter around the column Grid or
those those I guess those beam lines
we'll call them uh taper up or have a
shape to them I think that's that'll
lighten the edge of that roof up and
thin that because that detail seems a
little excessive and blocky to me in the
elevation so by tapering those up or
curving them or however all the things
that Mr hire suggested I think will help
thin that roof line a little bit and
give some Elegance to that to kind of
match the there's the existing house all
the details are really thin and it's
very elegant and I think you need to tie
those together a little bit so I agree
with that uh really the only criticism I
have on the design is your chimney
your double walled metal chimney that
sticks up above the roof can you hear
the elevation
that keep going keep going keep going
there it is
Gotta Have It Gotta Have It don't have
to see it okay they want a wood burning
fireplace workable fireplace so there's
a ten and two we're we're uh two feet
above 10 feet away for any combustible
side I get it you have to have it the
issue is it doesn't have to be just out
there it can be wrapped in
non-combustible cage it can be
and I was thinking maybe could be
masonry I don't want to bring masonry
into this into a chimney but it it
definitely is a modern solution
in a house that doesn't really have
anything so there are but we have done
that without you know combustible
fireplaces and metal pipes and we we've
wrapped it we we've helped him as much
as we can we still see it but it starts
to fall it starts to blend away I don't
know exactly what you would do here with
that but I would really look at some
options of how you would dress that up
because it's they won't see it because
the homeowner's gonna be underneath it
and right but you will see that from a
distance well it's also their their
master bedroom yeah they have a window
up and all that smoke is going to go
directly in so maybe it goes higher and
you then really make it a little bit
more of a design I don't know that's a
tough that's a tough one to hide in
plain sight there um I I struggled when
I was designing the whole thing I was
designing I was trying to figure out
what exactly that wanted to be and and
we're drawing more attention to it than
what it what it would have to do from a
functional standpoint seem to be going
down the wrong path
um and that that was the that's one
right so I need to put a pencil down on
that one yeah especially with the
existing home right you wanted to see
this brick and I'm not saying that it
wants to be brick because that's an
expensive Endeavor
um doing a brick fireplace here that
would be fantastic but that's something
we would push
um can you put like an old-time chimney
pot or something on it that just makes
it seem like it's a decorative element
you can you can do a lot of things we've
we've wrapped it in Wood we just keep it
far enough away from the double line
chimney and it has to be higher it
eventually has to stick up in this code
for it but
um there's just ways to dress it up and
I think you should look at that because
I think in the end it's going to be the
thing that from anywhere that you can
see that's going to stick out and take
away from the quality of everything else
that you're doing
but other than that well the one
question I have here can you can you
zoom in can we zoom into just the top
left of that door like the right above
the column
so in the drawing that
beam coffered beam is kind of
overlapping the brick here
so how yeah it just seems like the
column is it kind of set back onto the
brick and then this beam is kind of
coming out as part of your design I
wonder how this roof turns back and
maybe that's how it wants to be maybe
you need to see it in 3D and maybe you
do see it in 3D and we just don't have a
shot here I just think that paying
attention to that it would just be
something that I would want Karen to
look at if we move forward on this to
see the final design to just see how
that connection to the house works right
well
if I could just reject I mean if this if
this call
well you've got the spacing here between
those sets of windows so I get why the
spacing kind of where are these all
equal
okay so if this was out just a little
bit further you could wrap the corner of
that brick and that would the whole Pro
the whole issue would go away but that
would mean that you would be off center
and that's probably not a good solution
you might be able to shift the other
ones yeah I mean I'm not so sure if we
can go back to reflect the ceiling plan
again at that overhang those bulkheads
that extended past that last structural
line maybe maybe is fighting we're
finding that more than we should and all
those bulkheads past that beam line
don't just go away
um
because I
I'm not sure how that that big
rectangular bulkhead transitions into a
more a lighter feel I think that I think
it's a kind of an intriguing way to
consider but all the bulkheads that are
on the on the right hand side in the
overhang and the candling overhang might
might want to not be there
um well I'm assuming that they wanted
the the distance right between the the
sofa or whatever yeah it's purposeful
yeah and the and the fireplace there's a
reason why it's out here right yeah that
was per that was on purpose
um and that directly aligns with the
existing
um
addition that was put on years ago uh
which is South which is
tucked them inside of the house so
there's some there's definitely a
relationship there that we were trying
to hit
I wonder if you just pushed that
right column line to the corner
you leave the center one at the fans you
push the left one of the fans same
distance over so those are equal
and maybe the last Bay that wraps the
fireplace that's the shorter Bay on the
left side is
different but that starts to break it
down but there's one other solution and
that is to pull these out a little bit
more and do a
you know two one-on-one face here and
then step and one here these would just
pull out a little bit more and you'd
have
a peer-facing whatever direction is up
and appear facing to the to the right
it's a little a little more complicated
but um it might just again it might be a
nice uh solution to that I I think if if
that if that can reflect the ceiling
point if that I'll call the extension of
that or the beam in this location is
happening to pick up that load from that
roof because you may need the beam here
uh it just seems weird to box it around
the corner so
I think you need to find a solution that
works with the column grid and in that
corner and because it is right where the
mouse is right so I'm assuming there's a
those columns are going to be load
bearing vertically but also there's a
beam going across the pickup we're gonna
pick up that corner yeah and it's gonna
cantilever out to pick up the load of
that corner so you're going to have
something drop below the structure of
that roof so that's going to stay it's
something unless it's built up into it
yeah pulling that that wrap around
flush with the brick and the horizontal
plane didn't it felt like it was more of
just an attachment to the house versus
integral to the house design so that's
the there was actually an attempt to tie
it in around the corner because I think
there is a there will be some
further development on the design along
the side of the house there and that
works really well if the column is at
the corner right now your columns left
in the corner I couldn't get mentally I
couldn't get past moving that structure
line out past the primary house line
because I think that
that doesn't do the existing house and
Injustice by creating that differently
so but it's true because you pull out
now the that the vertical on this page
is now out proud of the brick so now
there's you have a you have a little bit
of a dilemma yeah we can't solve for you
I'm going to lose a lot of Sleepover
I'm going to be clear it is my my
impression it's a great design it's just
these little subtle these things that'll
really make or break that kind of for
you as coming out and seeing finish
you'll be like oh that could have been
different
and for us if we get the chance to see
it so I think it's they're important
um and that that's gonna you know take
it from a great project to an amazing
project
Mr traffic nothing
I just have one question um and it's
more about the function of it so if you
move up to the top of this and you think
about those bar stools sitting there at
the bar on the what is the top of the
drawing here your roof doesn't come out
over them far enough that all the I mean
you're still going to get wet if you're
sitting on those and the the overhangs
on each side of the columns are were
they were all all three different sizes
did you consider making it all the same
and giving that big overhang to
carrying it around the whole yeah to
give you more cover over your bar stools
so that if you're out there in a
Sprinkle you're not you can still use
them
I mean it's just yeah I mean it's
something that was
I think structurally speaking we could
have got we could easily get this to
work the with the
having the beam running running across
horizontally to pick up that cantilever
load the other that dimension in that
four foot Dimension or whatever heading
in the opposite direction as well takes
us from a wood just a conventionally
wood frame structure probably a heavy
duty steel frame structure that would
probably be comprehensive
um you know I do I definitely hear what
you're saying that there isn't there
isn't full protection from that partial
seating though
um
you know is that I mean the way that
it's drawn if you think about you know
you pull up to the bar we typically say
you you you hold the next two feet
behind it and so from what I'm seeing
there you those bar stools would not be
usable in a it almost be in the rain I
can almost see myself trying to convince
the homeowner to to reduce the kitchen
size down and bring that and bring the
bar in bring the bar in but there's a
that usable space inside is really key
for them to to use
um to get their Furniture layout or
whatever it is that they need but
there is there there are plates you can
get you know steel steel plates that um
you know you would get and maybe they
taper but you could start because this
is pretty wide here you know you could
have a steel plate that comes out from
that column
um and then the wood just in cases it
just like an outrigger or some some sort
kind of is that what you're thinking oh
what an outrigger yeah it's just a metal
Outrigger I mean we've done that where
we've put a metal plate and then
sandwiched you know the micro Lambs or
whatever we're using to that do you know
what you're using for your main
structure to span uh they'll they'll be
LVL LVL yeah because I mean you can
based on if you can get them that long
you can only remember that yeah four
feet easy and especially if you're
tapering it I mean the whole the whole
moment you know the weights we you know
you can taper it as you go as you work
your way out
I would think a microlam could take it I
think if you want to use a steel plate
that was you know sandwiched by micro
limbs you could do that too
it's a little more a little more work
but it's I think it's worth it to uh
you guys are saying that you guys are
suggesting
carrying that that cantilever Dimension
overhang all the way around well just to
the top it's on the top faces the pool
of course you have to match the left so
yes yes
we have a window issue there so oh yeah
that's actually a door a side door in
the garage so it would be basically have
covering half of the door maybe we would
yeah
another question I have because we're
looking at this reflected so is there
any detail thought yet for
really what this coffered ceiling is I
mean is it just drywall no this is going
to be a it's going to be a wood product
a finished wood product and we'll have a
basically a
some kind of trim around that crunch the
yeah Crown trim that from the ceiling
yeah so this is going to be a painted
painted B board or some sort that so
you'll do like a bead board yeah
beadboard ceiling we'll have a
little Crown in each of the coffee yeah
and that the goal the goal for the the
tray I guess yeah the goal for the the
um the bulkhead design is to kind of
but they do a lot of things actually but
the the one thing to do is basically tie
in all the functionality with the
ceiling design because the heaters and
the fans and the skylights are all and
the lighting layout all has to kind of
work together
um what's the feel that you're going for
is it Beach Cabana type of feel or what
or or is it just painted porch
and porch feel I think that would
summarizes it I would ask your client
about you know the finish of those
coffers to your point
if if you just do a clear coat on on the
bead board you're going to be happier it
doesn't get the White's going to get
dirty and it's gonna it's gonna look
dirty a lot you're gonna have to clean
it they're gonna have to clean it all
the time there's actually what natural
wood finish yeah just a natural wood
finish we blew yeah but any any paint is
going to be is going to collect southern
thing dirt and dust and cobwebs and and
the natural wood uh doesn't have that
tendency for some reason we have one we
put one on our house and it still looks
like it's brand new
um that's certainly something that they
were I'm sure they would buy into
um and then the trim the bulkheads and
the trim would be white could be white
to match the garage yeah it could be
quite sure definitely dress it up yeah
there's definitely some pre-finished
products out there that I've used on
other projects and there's even some
that are plastic that look like wood
that are very believable so
it's nice
you hate the plastic product you know
it's a nice uh yeah I hear you I would
recommend the maintenance man likes them
so you need the cedar boards that are
grooved yeah it's easy to install and
suggestions serious value and that's
those are kind of finished design
development drawing system
he's still working okay so you've heard
all of our comments
um
anybody can we have the findings of fact
oh yeah is there anyone in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application
seeing everyone shake their head no
um findings of facts please Kathy
in the Bible decision of the board for
multiplication number easy that's 22-41
will probably be located at 317.
the word recommends design be improved
by the board of studying and planning
subject using approval
noting that the proposed Edition is
architecturally compatible
with the recommended
you understand the findings of fact as
Kathy read them
yes
so basically you're still going to be
working with Karen just to get through
those changes and then she will sign off
on it that's
that's perfect yeah so if you didn't
understand it she did I have no idea
numbers in my head right now but
that's I think that works fine awesome
is there a board member that will make a
motion no moved
second
yes yes yes yes
you are approved thank you very much for
coming and discussing it with us
nice traveling nice try thanks
okay our last application is number ARB
22-54 the address is 2504 bexford place
the applicant is Yvonne riggy the owner
is Matt and Lindsey Van Meter the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a two-story addition
and renovation front porch Edition new
siding and new Roofing
uh we'll have Karen explain the project
um I think that is a really good
description
um
um it's I think that the only reason
this isn't kind of on consent agenda is
that we wanted to have some discussion
about the roof lines and how they work
together I think it looks really good I
I was you can come on up I was excited
for Yvonne to come to our board for the
first time in person because
um as some of you know
the first projects were done during
covet and she has had a lot of really
beautiful I think too so far before this
so we've talked on the phone that it's
nice to finally meet you in person and
kind of welcome you as a designer who's
done a really nice job thank you so
um I just wanted to add that in there
once we set it on the phone it's nice to
have more designers and Bitcoin with
quality projects so I don't really have
any major problems I just think that
some board members may have some kind of
roof line questions Etc because that was
a tricky one on the back sure
is there anything that you want to
explain about the project before we go
to board members
oh that would be awesome
Yvonne riggy
um just give brief intro the project
sure yeah so the property owners are
looking to just expand space in their
house third bedroom and the first floor
open it up for open kitchen living
dining experience
um and then also their street is a
really great community and they want to
be able to
share in that experience and have a
front porch and they have tons of
parties you know kids are always playing
so they want to be able to use that
front lawnmower so that's the purpose
for having this nice porch off the front
and then they want to just basically
revamp the whole exterior so new siding
your Roofing have the garage match it as
well so that's the main purpose for the
project I have looked at a little bit
more over the past month we've gotten a
little bit more into designing with
engineer and contractor and have looked
a little bit more at the roofing so I
can't actually speak a little bit more
to that
um we've the ridge beam right now is
sagging a little bit so I think we're
gonna actually replace it so in doing so
we can actually apply a little bit more
of a load to it so now we might actually
be able to take the hip
before there's on the drawings there's
like a double hip and that's not ideal
but it kind of it was the least invasive
type of roof to do without implying more
loads but now I think what we're going
to do is do a full hip spanning the full
width of the house coming out and then
the little bump out in the back having
another little hip off of that and if
you want I can kind of show you what
that looks okay great can you pass those
around I just have one copy yeah just
you can just pass that one around
sorry
and basically um ideally it's going to
hit right at the ridge or lower
depending on we're hoping to keep it at
the same 412 pitch I'm guessing at the
412 right now of the current roof pitch
but ideally it's hitting right there at
that Ridge so it's not going to be any
higher whatsoever but
I think this actually simplifies the
whole roof structure from a drainage
Perfection perspective and from
constructability also so that answers a
lot of our questions if you guys are
okay with what it's doing there on that
sheet then I think that's all around
from everyone's perspective on our end a
better solution
thank you
okay while while they're looking at
is there a board member that wants to go
first in asking questions
okay
Peter Joanne do they want to go first
like that again okay
I think it's a much better solution
one question I had was on the front
porch roof I couldn't quite tell
um how the new
uh angle of the front porch group
compares to the existing
you're saying the the part that bumps
out over the entry no you're saying just
in general the porch roof itself the
full width part of them this
yes you're saying the slope of it or the
width the slope I'm not exactly sure
um right now we're just trying to hit
right below the sill of the windows and
so I think that slope is
I don't think we have it on there
but
yeah we don't have it on the drawings
I'm sorry about that
um but yeah ideally it's hitting right
below the Sill
it doesn't match this
it's actually steeper what you're saying
for the Dutch Colonial roof on the sides
it's not matching that pitch that's like
a 16 12 pitch that it would you would
never be able to match that
a restroom going away yeah the little
it's like a dilapidated Greenhouse
yeah
they're gonna they're gonna basically
demo that and just put a window where
the door was
the reason I asked that is
about the front Ruth hitch is that
for me anyway the current house
that's an aspect of the house now that
is
feels appropriate for the
style of the house the Dutch Colonial
yeah and
this feels less
uh
Less in keeping with the house generally
that that more that flat pitch of that
roof
so I just have to think about in the
whole context of the design I guess
that that was my main question
why are you looking at me
um P me yes please
this was this was interesting uh there's
a lot of roof going on right you got
like every style of roof on one house
um
so obviously you're starting with a
challenge and then you're expanding on
that
um and there's some interesting things
that you're doing that
um I I think maybe that I feel like work
but are maybe just not detailed exactly
or haven't been finished detail
um so let's start with the front of the
house and uh and I'm gonna open this up
to a group discussion with uh those who
are maybe even more knowledgeable than
than I but uh so the front porch and the
roof
you're you're pulling the Dutch Colonial
roof down right and you're tying into
the front porch roof and then you've
you've done what we typically like to
see is you've then taken the the side
elevation of the porch roof itself and
pulled it off that face of that facade
but you so when you're continuing that
Dutch Colonial roof down
I feel like that that porch That's
offset off the main house actually wants
to pull back and be aligned and I and I
want to
hear what bill has to say on that
because normally we would want that face
to be pulled in on a front porch that's
just a single shed roof right we want
those masses to be different
but when that roof line is being brought
down on the Dutch Colonial and tying
into this front roof I feel like that
that that that face is also being pulled
out and I think there's there's pressure
for that but I'm not exactly sure so uh
misses to see what happens but I think
the elevations I feel like the The
Columns were were too too too thin and
and far apart in that Center section and
I was kind of wanting a third column
maybe or a fourth column and but looking
at the rendering that lifted columns are
a little thicker maybe I don't know if
that's true but uh that feels better to
me so maybe I'm not suggesting that now
um but I think the overall feel and
balance of the the front porch and even
a little kind of Nod to the front door
there uh it's not something we we see
everywhere but can has happened and I
think it works I think the detailing
around that I'm interested to see a
little bit more of course you have boxed
columns uh um and uh that you're you're
Basin and top is in our box which we
would you know prefer to see something a
little different uh here in Bexley it's
it's not one of our favorites and then I
think that the thing that on the back of
the back of the house is if you go to
the there it is
um the belts of asphalt roof
um that doesn't doesn't work for me I I
I don't I see like you there was an old
a one-story Edition back there and then
we put this two-story on top of it um I
would rather take that belt off let the
print the colonial roof come down and
they steep angle and finish and then
break that and then maybe do if you
wanted roofed areas over the little
patio in the steps uh to do another
maybe a low slope maybe like a singing
sea metal roof or a flat roof or
something that's more just essential to
those masking because you really have a
nice proportion on those kind of
two-story masses and I think the new
roof that you brought is a good solution
to that
um but I don't I just don't feel like
that back band is working and I know
it's part of an existing part on one
part of the house that you might have to
deal with but it feels like it's just
there's too much being broken up in that
the mass of the houses and
would be feel a little bit more
comfortable it was just allowed to be
what it is and those those porches were
just like covered with something
independent
um that skirt if you will was
it was our way of making the back not
look like a condo
um aesthetic so trying to carry around
that skirt which is somewhat typical of
best Colonials was our that was our
attempt
um and then you have to deal with
from a Dutch Corner The Sideburns or
whatever you want to call those how you
terminate those whether
um the existing house has a little
return Sideburn
um if you can maybe see it from the
existing photos I don't know if you can
or not from the side a little bit there
on the bottom uh right one you can see
it kind of returns a little bit so
trying to figure out when you have this
addition onto it how do you return or
what do you do with those sideburns and
so this was this was our attempt to try
to be respectful of the Dutch Colonial
but also not have the back feel so much
like a planes of condo looking thing
that's what I think the proportion of
the bag and I hear I actually totally
hear what you're saying but I don't feel
like the proportions of the back
especially how you've done the windows
and the doors will feel that way
especially if there's kind of this kind
of a little bit more you know kind of
more modern just slope shed simple
structure maybe some brackets to kind of
pick that up over those areas to break
that up instead of having this total
split in like the skirt really cuts that
massing in in half it which I think
doesn't work for me
and I see that where you've pulled it
from and I get that but I I don't think
that's working in your favor by
bringing that all the way around the
back but again it's just to hear what
others have to say yeah and just to
finish up on the whole roof thing I I'm
looking at the right
um elevation now and I see how the roof
comes out over the house and I I'm not a
fan of that I mean like there are
quite a few Dutch Colonials in Bexley
where that's one of the reasons why the
front porches are uncovered
because the that roof line is so
important to the
Dutch Colonial design and when you put
on that whole front porch it really
interrupts that roof
and and takes away from the
yeah the the Dutch Colonial look
um and I'm thinking I'm just thinking
about other homes and actually
their front porches don't go the full
width of the house and they're not all
covered uh you know there might be a
partial porch
it's hard to achieve that with one of
those what do you mean by partial porch
well like it might be a partial width
yeah right yeah and a lot of it's
uncovered because of that because of the
roof lines
it's a tough one I I think there's what
other people say yeah I think there's a
solution here
um
my neighbor has a Dutch Colonial and
they have a back Edition that they put
on and they really the it's a lean-to
roof so it's a shed roof on the back
and it just does what it needs to do it
just goes up and over that little skirt
and it looks it looks great
and what I'm wondering is instead of
eliminating these because I think these
give a lot of character to this house
that you just allow the porch and roof
to come and hit this you know you line
your your your fascia your you got your
Beam work and all that to work with it
but why not just let it overlap
why do we have to clean up the eve and
make it continuous when to the rake when
you could just let it overlap and let
the Beam work be the thing that ties it
together
it's just a an idea because I think
these do give a lot of character and
even back here you could have your skirt
go around but but you could still retain
this you could still keep it there
um I just think that you know
besides the loss of the shutters which
I'm sad is to go but I don't know if
they're real or not
um but you know this and this give this
house so much Bexley character and if
you can find a way to just let these
root and let this you know have the
skirt come in and just attach and make
it work with your horizontal lines you
know the eve and the fascia
um and then your your front porch you're
not continuing the Dutch roof down but
let it just overlap in a way that you
can get the Beam work to work out
um I think you could do it also if you
inset it a little bit and it actually
let it show yes yeah you're
strengthening the Dutch Colonial yeah
you're just putting a roof on top of it
yeah anyway I mean I've been look I've
been looking at this detail out the back
of my house you know standing in my
garage when I get kicked out hours and
uh yeah but it actually looks very
comfortable it looks very normal
um and I get the whole thing about the
condo you know that look and not wanting
to go and have it turn into a Colonial
or something because that's what would
happen if you got rid of it in my
opinion so you do it but just let it
come around the corner and keep that
return the way it is and I think you
retain the character and you get your
skirt
um I'm really intrigued also by this
front porch I don't mind the proportions
of it personally I think that if you're
go and I know you're good at this and
I'd like to see more of it is I'd like
to see a front porch that is Simple and
Clean without
um the visual of
and I hate to put it this way but just
kind of giving up on those columns you
want to do something simple and clean
put it put just a little band with a
special detail between it and the beam
above instead of doing the Box capital
and the Box base do something with a
little more style even in a modern way I
think you could do it and just I think
really when you your work in particular
you know you get into these details and
they have to be crisp right the
relationship of this beam and then
turning the corner for this triangular
area those details have to be clean you
know and Builders don't get it a lot of
them don't get it you have to show them
how this is done and that's the same
with this here you know that the front
Pier aligns with the beam above but the
side face aligns with the side of the
spear do something really clean and
simple I think you could do it I don't
mind this detail if you do it in a clean
sort of contemporary way but the details
have to be really crisp and
unfortunately here in Bexley uh you know
in recent years we see a lot of people
trying to go contemporary and it looks
like mistakes
the beam hangs over
um the capitals uh kind of go up and the
beam comes down into the capital you've
seen these details they're terrible
um and it just is not fitting for bestly
you know you are you have a chance here
to do something really clean and crisp
and to show that all those parts go
together in a particular way that makes
sense and are pleasing in in the end so
I I don't have any issue with that but
yeah pulling it in especially this
overhang to let that come out and doing
the same thing on this side great
overhang issue because that overhang
this together the other the other
question I had for you is on the um
I try I don't know which side it is
because I'm looking at these
exotometrics but
you have taken out
the windows on the fence side of this
house on the first floor is there a
reason why this this elevation on the
left side of the house it no longer has
Windows is it a privacy issue or what's
going on there
um the house right next to it I'm sorry
the house right next to him is less than
10 about 10 feet away
um and yeah which is really just privacy
that's you're talking about the TV wall
right the west side yeah this this wall
right here on this condition because
these these windows are here I assume
these are high windows are they yeah
they're about Stills probably about here
about five feet up yeah
um I I have my my neighbor is only
like six feet away or I don't know what
it is it's really tight and they have
bedroom windows that are right across
from my new family room and I put a row
of high windows in there and it's great
there's there's total privacy but I
think you want to let that light into
the space and I also think that this
elevation really suffers
um without it this is an elevation
you're gonna see from the street and I
think it's important that you have more
fenestration on that side so talk to
your client about getting high windows
in there you know having some kind of
what I would call a transom window up
there
um where's the TV is going on that wall
yeah there's whole built-ins on that
wall yeah yeah
um and this is facing north
no that's uh West this is West right
Europe right
um
yeah so you're gonna go you'll get a lot
of light in there at the end of the day
um
but I just I don't like this I would
normally not approve you know this kind
of elevation without something there
well whether you decide to go with
panels or a false you know shuttered
window or something that's going to give
it some character you know to to make up
for those windows I think you really
need to think about that and work with
the design consultant to come up with
some kind of character giving element
that will replace those windows if your
client really doesn't want to do windows
there
so I think
your your design has the potential to be
a great design uh with some of these
details and the eve conditions the porch
pulling in keeping the existing Bird's
mouth on the gambrel roof and then
really working with the design
consultant and showing us some of that
uh you know those great crisp clean
details that we know you you can do
Jocelyn
um I think the new roof is a is a better
way to go
um on the back uh
what has been called the skirt and the
belt
I actually think you could do without it
um I actually think it would look better
and if you just let your
um
the existing you know sort of roof turn
like those little
I don't know it's in the picture you can
see it on the existing side view let
those turn in and then just let the back
be clean
okay let's just
and then I agree with everything else
that was said I actually like the porch
on the front
I think make the column is going to look
like an apartment anymore yeah like it's
not going to have that issue anymore
it's going to be much cleaner too it's
going to be nice
um and then the columns I I mean I I
like the columns that are on the
existing porch that are there the round
one yeah those are nice and we looked at
Round we looked at tapered and we looked
at these square ones and the client
prefer like the really it's a bummer
because I mean the round ones are sort
of nice and so it would be neat if they
were able to keep those or if they were
interested in keeping them but that's
just a suggestion it's not a requirement
that's it
but if they are going to do Square peers
then those details really need to be
clean I like looking at early Sauron and
or some of the early modernists you know
to wait the way they work with
traditional details because you can get
ideas for how to make the proportions
look really clean and nice and I think
Bexley deserves more of that we just
don't have enough of it people and a lot
of it again is because the builders
don't know that the designers don't know
you know
um but we we need more of it we need we
need examples of how to do that really
nicely
um I the one thing I think as you move
to the next um reiteration I think you
should look at what your gutters are
doing too because I just look at what
that belt does to your gutters and how
they have to come down and go around
except it feels a little bit clunky so
hopefully as you you know kind of rework
some of this you end up with some clean
gutter lines too so that they don't end
up looking so clunky
that was all I had
do you do you have are you is your
client looking to move quickly on this
uh we're on the contractor schedule to
start in the spring
um is is there any chance we could see
it again even if design consultant sends
us revisions so I'm fine with that it's
at your your pleasure to whether you
table it for another rendition before
here or I'm absolutely I have a lot of
confidence you can move on to are you
okay coming back to us though because
I'm actually interested to see how you
um solve some of this that's what you
guys want if that's if that if that
would be okay because I think it's an
interesting project and I think how you
solve some of it helps us as we look at
to other projects so I don't think your
timing is going to make a difference
yeah so I think we just have to order a
Windows Live last week it seems like the
extended years another review I don't
know yeah
yeah so if you don't mind
um we'll come back next month second
week in November and uh when do I get
you materials bye
when do you what when will I give when
do you want the materials oh as long as
I have them so I published the agenda
the Friday before the meeting the week
before as long as I get them a few days
before then okay then that's okay like I
don't like getting him no if you need
them like this week no no no no when
you're tabled there's something there's
a lot of leeway when I do run into the
problem is Thursday at four when I
publish on Friday say no bad word first
okay
I'll work with you you can call me in
all right you got it I do want to say uh
your drawings could be used as an
example of what we'd like to see in a
submittal yes your 3D accidents were you
color shaded like the addition onto that
is fabulously clear right so uh nice job
it Sparks a lot of conversations so
maybe it's not good for you but it's
it's definitely very helpful to
understand the project it's great so
we're looking to tail this to the
November 10th November 10th
just re-upload the same yeah number okay
yeah you can call me anytime you have my
number sure all right all right so we
need to vote on is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about this
project before we
everybody's coming okay
um
yeah I need a motion to table so moved a
second
so we won't be noticing that or anything
because we're tabling to a date search
so it's just a matter of coming back
you'll be probably first or at least one
of the first on the agenda yes prior
yeah yes
Scott yes yes yes
thank you very much great to see you in
person
okay so that is it for our agenda
um
Karen has updates is that what I do have
a couple updates
um one I wanted to tell everybody that
the solar panel final reading was
Tuesday and it's been put back on the
table for more discussion and that is
it's a very good thing I want to credit
I'm gonna go ahead and credit this board
because the issues that they were really
delivering deliberating over were issues
that you guys brought up and they took
it to city council took it very
seriously and I think it is a real
compliment to this board things like the
height of the ground mounted so very
good conversation I wasn't in person but
I've talked to council members in
um the mayor and I'll listen to the
parts of it so compliments to you that's
where we are with that
um two as
a few of you know because I get comments
a lot which I love the
um I keep re-uploading the design
guidelines as I add things and I've I
think I've addressed almost everything
that people have commented on already
with the exception of sleep
um a whole section on identifying
different slates which I am going to do
um I did talk to Mayor Kessler because I
am you know getting legitimately so and
rightly so a lot of questions from all
of you about process
he did not feel like it was important if
we still like you if you still feel like
you want to continue sending comments
because I'd like you to
um I've had uploads as late as 1 45 in
the morning last night for anybody
who've noticed just can't stop doing it
um I he is not uncomfortable at all and
he said it's perfectly fine for us to go
ahead and introduce the resolution to
city council even if you haven't
recommended it officially yet it doesn't
really matter because we're going to
recommend it with the caveat thing this
is a living changing document all the
time but I don't see why we just don't
approve it next month instead of right
now because I've had a lot of comments
even even for Mr Scott today that I'd
like to put in it and give you more time
so I'm still going to be working with Mr
um with Matt Klinger
wrong name councilman Klinger to get
that hopefully on their meeting was
Tuesday so in two weeks is the next one
hopefully in two weeks or at least the
two weeks after but we're on track for
our first of the year
thing
um I've tested the system a little bit
Kathy I don't know if you've noticed
this I know you were on it but I don't
know who else has been on it today we
tested the system and Kathy sent me
brand new
um flow charts and I put them right into
the links file and it worked perfectly
so my next thing is to link the table
contents to every page
I don't think that's hard to do either
and then we'll be ready to publish it
and this will constantly be being
changed so
any comments so how does that process
work do they just read it once and it's
accepted or does it has to go through
three iterations the way Ben described
it to me is even though it's not like
it's not a part of the ordinance or cat
you may be able to address this better
than me that it it still goes through
the three still goes through three
readings and then it'll be you know
approved blessed I don't know what the
right word is because it's not a
codified part of the ordinance but
adoptive yes but it's a big deal for
them to do that and I want to make sure
that we we explicitly Define that this
will um that we have the authority to
constantly change it as long as it is in
conjunction with what the code States
well we can't go setting different rules
that aren't and so does it make sense
for some of the board members to be at
that first reading no they probably will
read it and do nothing
right I mean it's just the discussion
I'll let you know when the discussion
happens yeah okay yeah hasn't been any
public yet
um it has not been made public there's a
question out there too but let me answer
that question that has not been made
public like on the website no but anyone
who's asked for it I've just given them
the link
um my question and what I I mean you
guys can help me figure out is I've been
asked and I think it's really
appropriate to have some public Forums
on it to come with discussion a lot of
The Architects and designers that live
work in the community would like an
opportunity to have an open Forum to
talk about it I we may have somebody
here that wanted to make a comment too
the more we can get out there the better
well that's what I think what scares me
a little bit is if it if it
if it goes to council and they read it
but no one is there to explain that this
is not how you must build but these are
just guidelines on how you know there
won't be a public hearing when there's a
public hearing on it it's different you
have to introduce something and it's
just kind of put on the table and okay
yeah three readings they have time to
work out they work out yeah
okay and the adoption comes when
after the third afternoon
yeah
and the first reading is is not
scheduled yet no
no do we have to formally
vote no we have a well we would I would
like you guys to vote to recommend
adoption by city council I don't really
have the wording perfectly we could do
it today but I think we should just wait
it's not going to make any difference
I'm allowed to ask
um councilman Klinger he he's the
sponsor
he's he's in charge of b-zap and ARB
right now like that's his domain so he
will be the sponsor of this resolution
I'd like to do it we've spent so much
time on these I want to do it right
I do so a vote in November then maybe at
the next meeting
we vote in November yeah yeah but it
doesn't slow anything down it doesn't
make a difference we're going to go
ahead and get it
frustrating for city council will happen
even before we recommend it yeah okay
and
I do I mean for those of you who haven't
taken the time and I think most of you
have
I'm serious about these comments I'll
get back to you within a minute right
yeah I mean nuts
every time
really yeah okay maybe just because of
my
mind but I'll try again
before I just haven't looked there when
you stopped
knowing and understanding that it's a a
living document per se I think when we
vote on it what we're voting on has to
be solid right it has to be okay these
sections are done and there's some
things that are still maybe to do I
would almost pull those or say pending
and until we are as a more comfortable
inserting them into that document for
public use
I would be careful well I would
recommend not doing anything that's not
the half done or partially done or not
fully vetted there's so much I mean it's
come along so far from when we first saw
I first saw again come on in a day to
day
uh it's an amazing document but I want
to make sure that there's things there's
some consistency things that I pointed
out today but also um you know there's
ways for us to make that as perfect as
we can based on a public document
um and I think in my recommendation is
that we need to make that final push and
then there's sections that we're not
that's not done that's not prepped yet
we can put a placeholder and then we
insert later yep thank you questions
if you'd like to speak you can come up
and be sworn in and um
I'm sorry if you weren't here at the
beginning of the meeting I I went
through and said that these had all been
tabled
sorry I'm so sorry yeah we made the
announcement at the beginning of the
meeting but we were not
uh
what project I'm sorry I missed that
audacity
there were no comments on the table
um
be done today about about the issue
walking down to the end of what it's
going to be do you know that um do you
know how to get on the website to see
what's on the agenda because I I put in
red tabled by the applicant maybe four
or five days ago
just so that's probably why no one is
here but what was the reason that it was
tabled oh so you're not doing it it's
like what
if you're not they weren't they weren't
ready yet the applicant was not ready to
give us something to look at
you you'll have to come up and be sworn
in and give your address okay
okay yeah November 10th Elizabeth Morris
I do okay so I live directly across from
the the project that's being developed
on North Cassidy and I being that I sat
here and listened to all this I was very
impressed with your due diligence and
how you're deep diving into these things
I've never attended a meeting with all
these architectural I learned a lot and
I really appreciate that you're a
standing guard on on that way Bexley
looks and all that I just had something
to kind of go out I've never I've lived
in Bexley my whole life I'm 71. my
father was a bell very built a lot of
homes in backside and I really
appreciate architecture and aesthetic
and the look of the whole thing
um I feel that that area just keep in
mind since you're going to be our watch
guards on this the people that are
presenting you with the plans just as
all these individual people present you
with their home plans I feel like that
area North Cassidy has become the new
entrance and exit to Bexley I I've lived
here my whole life I used to use the
freeway going downtown I worked downtown
I travel a lot in the city so everybody
if you'll notice comes down Cassidy to
go to the city
Easton go to OSU to go to Grandview go
to uh Westerville to go to Gahanna any
traffic most traffic now is coming in
and out right there it's also the area
of one of the most spectacular beautiful
areas north Bexley the huge mansions and
things like that so I hope that they
realize that future people that are
coming to betsley that know nothing
about it because I have a lot of friends
that come here they don't understand the
identity of that state they just they
have a lot of money are they going to
move to Powell are they going to move to
New Albany or are they going to move the
best and there's certain reasons why
people move to bed but if you're coming
down the street and entering beds like
that's probably where you're going to
come and I think it should be any
building that's being built there we
have a lot of ragtag structures that are
still there but I think that that
particular location has to be on your
list of watching just like we do to be
showing us because it's it's an
important way if you get up Arlington
massive beautiful entrance ways with
fountains and city of Upper Arlington
old big rock stuff like that
we don't really have that on Castle we
have our railroad track that Bexley
beautified along the other side of it
okay it's beautiful to walk a dog and
stuff like that are quite little places
like the the dairy Martin stuff that's
rehabbing the yoga place looks great and
and the activity at the senior citizen
Center is great it's very much like a
more like a Grand View Clintonville
little area but I think you should
really pay attention to that because
future people are going to come and buy
homes in Bexley that's how they're going
to come in
so that just all I have said I've been
thinking about it for a long time I
think it's an important area
but it doesn't look like a cake you know
my one little sign that's about it so
appreciate that
November right yes but look on the
website because they can always yeah
is there anything else are we adjourning
um
I think that's it
we are