thank you uh welcome to the November
2020 meeting of the Bexley Architectural
Review Board uh this is our I believe
now eighth monthly meeting via the zoom
platform uh and if anyone has any
questions related to connecting please
note the raised hand feature uh for any
application in which you have standing
uh at this point please call the role
for attendance of board members
Mr Scott here miss Tony here Mr Helman
here miss crossy here chairman Bardwell
here thank you very much uh we this was
our opportunity to approve the minutes
of past meetings and in this case we
have uh uh two items to approve which we
will take independently uh the first
will be the minutes of our regularly
scheduled October meeting of the
Architectural Review Board uh are there
any comments or Corrections from the
board that have not already been
identified hearing none uh may I have a
motion to approve so move and a second
second please call the
role Mr
Scott yes Miss Tony
yes Mr Helman yes Miss crosy yes
chairman Birdwell uh yes the minutes of
the October meeting are approved and now
we will move to the November 5th I
believe special meeting of the board uh
for which you have already received uh
published minutes are there any comments
or Corrections on those from the board
hearing none may I have a motion to
approve I'll move to approve second
thank you please call the rooll Miss
crosy yes Mr Helman yes Miss Tony yes Mr
Scott yes chairman bwell uh yes thank
you very much uh this is now our call
for public comment this this is the
opportunity for any Bexley resident to
offer a brief comment on any Rel an
issue of General general public policy
irrespective of whether the resident has
standing on uh an agenda item for this
evening uh is there anyone that we have
identified in the chat room uh through a
raised hand that may wish to speak to
those
issues I do not see any raised hands at
this time okay thank you um hearing none
uh let let me just give a a very brief
overview of this evening uh because uh
we we had a uh a remarkable 17
applications uh coming before us which I
I think is speaks to the Vitality of the
Beckley Marketplace uh which I think is
absolutely wonderful but of of those 17
we have 12 that are going to be referred
to as consent agenda items which we will
uh vote on
collectively and then we have five that
we will review independently on what we
call our regular agenda and uh for
anyone listening in wishing to
particularly a neighbor
withstanding I'm going to read the
addresses of those that are on our
regular agenda
and if there is uh an
application uh to which you had hoped to
speak that you do not hear mentioned on
the regular
agenda uh we can move that from the
consent agenda to the regular agenda uh
but you will I will ask you to identify
that through a raised hand in the chat
room uh for staff uh uh very very Qui
quickly and again those five
applications that we will review in
detail on the regular agenda are 136
North Roosevelt 2702 Bellwood 970
Chelsea 219 South Columbia and 476 North
Park View if again if there was an
application that you had hoped to speak
to as a uh resident with stand in uh
please notify staff immediately and we
will uh move that to the regular agenda
so with
that uh Karen uh would you like to
review with us uh the uh consent agenda
uh with I think just the quickest of
overview of of uh location and
application um sure Kathy do you want to
read them off or do you want to what was
that to get I'm sorry just to to read
off the one these are the the following
items um are recommended consent agenda
items they will be approved and
conditioned on a final approval by the
city's design consultant so they will
these following items will be approved
for a certificate of
appropriateness um application ARB
20-59 2382 Beckley Park Pete Foster the
owners are um David I'm sorry about this
I'm going to mispronounce it I'm sure ha
H hoel and Hannah coo um application ARB
20-61 Pete Foster is the applicant Vince
mate 190 North Roosevelt application ARB
20-64 applicant is Brenda Parker owners
are Michael and Elizabeth Weinstock 190
South
draxl the next one is ARB
2065 Amy lowerhouse is the applicant
Katherine and James Eisley 833 Vernon
Road
number five application number ARB 2066
the applicant is Amy lowerhouse the
owner is Kelly shear and the address is
189 South Roosevelt number six is ARB
2068 Heidi board simplified living
architecture and design the owner is
George and Pam J jenko jenko sorry um
address is 142 North Ardmore and number
seven on this list is
ar-27 Kevin Hoffman Kim and Jim Wilson
2404 Beckley Park those applications
will be approved for a certificate of
appropriateness any comments that I have
received from board members have been
relayed as suggestions to the applicants
and have been received with no
issues thank you and again absent any
raised hand in the chat room for uh
staff to respond to uh uh I will now now
entertain a motion to approve the
consent agenda there are no hands thank
you so move and a
second second that second I seconded
Jocelyn thank thank you thank you uh
please please call the role all right
Miss
crossy
yes Miss Tony yes Mr Scott
yes Mr
Helman yes what a great invention
chairman Birdwell uh yes uh agreed uh
hopefully all in uh attendance will
agree um with
that
uh
and I can go ahead and move through the
next list uh
Karen yes Karen if you would like to Pro
proed with the the next part of the list
okay the following items are recommended
our the motion is to recommend these
items for an approval of a certificate
of appropriateness to the board of
zoning and planning and just as a note
for both the minutes and for the public
the um Regular these will all move on to
the board of zoning and planning which
will be December 2nd it's not our normal
meeting date because the Thanksgiving
the Thanksgiving day is our normal
meeting Day this year so I just want to
note that these will all be heard at
that time if approved um the first one
is application number Bap 20-34
applicant is Amy lowerhouse Matt and
Jessica Clinger 2471 brighten road the
second one is Bap 20-35 Amy lowerhouse
Lindsay scold and Dave
poula 36 Ashburn Road the next one is
Bap
20-36 Amy louse um I believe the
applicant is the ray family 20 or 200
Ashburn
Road next one is Bap 20-38 Dean Wentz
Jeremy and Jame Jamie Hinman 407
Northfield and last Bap
d237 Scott Baker is the applicant the
owner are Ryan and Michelle
odonnell and the address is
2754
Sherwood uh thank you and again absent
any raised hands in the chat room uh I
will ENT Ain a motion to
approve uh hold on let me
check I do not see any raised hands
thank you very much uh do I have a
motion to approve I'll move to approve
and a second thank you very much please
call the
role Miss Tony yes
Miss crosy yes Mr
Helman yes Mr Scott yes chairman
Bardwell uh yes uh those again the the
ones that we have just approved will be
uh move forward to the board of zoning
and planning as a
recommendation uh with that now let us
move forward with our regular
agenda uh and uh please please correct
me if I'm wrong I'm showing that the
first is application uh
ar-20
D6 uh the applicant is Pete Foster the
owner Jack grel the address 136 North
Rosevelt uh
and Karen or Kathy if you'd like to walk
us through the particulars of that
application um just like to state that
uh this porch proposed code allows a
porch to encroach 10 feet into the front
yard setback but in this case the
average
setback is still in front of this
proposed open porch so it is purely
design
review thank you okay this application
is seeking architecture and review and
approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for a new covered front
porch to the west side of the existing
two story structure the proposed
addition of this front porch to the
existing home is compatible with the
existing structure and seems appropriate
in scale massing and details um I had a
few comments which is why it's on this
um full agenda and not on the consent
item agenda from questions that um some
board members and applicants and uh I'm
sorry um attendees would let just wanted
to ask the applicant some questions
about the shutters they are a little bit
unusual I'm going to um try to multitask
here and bring
up the drawings can you all see my
screen it is a different screen
now yeah the agenda normally po I am
showing elevation images yes perfect
okay great then we're good to go um I
would hand it off to Pete Foster who is
the applicant I need to get him into as
a panelist into the room be with
me as well as anyone else that would
like to testify to this
case if you would like to testify to
this case please raise your hand and
I'll move you into I'll give you talking
privileges okay I don't see any other
raised hands and Pete Foster is now in
our as a
panelist and and am I correct we will
have Pete sworn in yeah do you mind
putting on your video our attorney has
asked that we try to have video on when
we swear people in sure can you hear me
yep please raise your right hand and
state your name Pete Foster do you saw
me swear affirm the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
I do thank
you thank you Pete is there anything
you'd like to supplement Karen's Report
with I guess um if the photographs are
available at all I guess this is an
interesting project in that um it's a
very traditional house and and as you
know sometimes uh additions that we put
on the
back uh tend to follow maybe the
architecture that's given on the front
and this particular house I believe was
um once belonged to the ficon offs and I
was quite surprised when I walked around
the back to see um this sort of um
addition that had been put on at some
point in
time um and um the current owners um
really like the energy of the back and
wanted to contemporize the front and so
they've since taken off some traditional
shutters and um though you know there's
nothing crazy about that front
porch um the shutters themselves
upstairs um were um a option that we
discussed um being something that was a
little bit more less traditional and
could almost be assumed as a a barn door
slid open if you will um but um it was
just an alternative answer to the
traditional you know shutter being
placed on each side um the idea is that
they will be wood um and will be um a
little bit more contemporary in their
slatting if you will but um metal roof
um Square columns nothing sort of out of
the ordinary when it comes to the
remaining portion of that
porch thank you uh members of the board
do you have any questions or comments
for Mr
Foster I have a quick question Pete if
you're asking them to look kind of like
they're sled across will they have a um
track or something that actually is the
hardware of them or are they just
mounted to the face of the house well
there was discussion there possibly
being a rail but the last rendition of
the shutter the wood shutter that I
actually saw um actually had a more of a
hinge look to it and so and if that were
the this the shutter scale and size that
you're seeing would not change but the
appearance of it being swinging versus
sliding uh was the last discussion that
we did have uh with our meetings so to
answer your question at this point no it
would not have a
rail I like the idea of the rail it
actually seems like it it it you know
ties the the design together so I
actually really like it maybe we'll come
back
around members of the board any
additional comments or questions yeah uh
hi this is Pete so hi Pete hi uh you
know I you know the overall when I saw
the photos uh and the the interesting
modern take on the back ition uh I was I
was actually a little surprised at the
front the traditional of the front porch
design and and um and I didn't think I
think it's well proportioned I think
it's I think it's done well uh for when
I would say a
normal back of a house uh relationship
but um did you more of a question for
you did you explore uh more of a a
modern slab style shed roof uh you have
more of a traditional triangular ends uh
was there any other explanation
exploration of kind of modernizing that
traditional front porch look uh could
tie a little bit more into the back or
um I'm just curious on the overall
process of that because I I think it
works the shape of it works well with
the house but it doesn't work with the
existing moderns back in the house if
you have time for coffee I'll show the
other 11 11 Solutions
okay I was curious about the shutters
and in my head I I uh I was like well
maybe they should be on the outside or
both on the left or both on the right
but I think uh I I looked it's un it's
uncommon at least in Bexley to see that
there there are a few instances of a um
on on a stone or a brick that I've seen
and then I researched it and uh it's
obviously it's an architectural element
and I think it's it's different and
unique uh so I I don't have any
criticism of it I think I just wanted to
hear more from you in the explanation of
it so I appreciate that thank you thank
you
um Mr chairman I don't have anybody
raising their hands at this time okay
thank you uh members of the board any
additional comments or questions sure I
do I have a few um I well I think I
think it's fine I think the porch is
appropriate I agree with Suzanne's
comment about the uh shutters and
potentially the rail at the top to tie
that uh Concept in that you explained
and I'm glad you explained it um I have
a question concerning like have have
they have you done any like Furniture
layouts and things like that to make
sure that the porch you know is
functioning for how they want to use it
and then um I'm not sure what the rules
are for railings uh at the stairs so
that's a question potentially for Karen
and Cathy well we have done we have done
Furniture layouts um you are required of
railing if you do um if well we're not
required to have a guard rail unless
we're 30 in above grade and we're not 30
inches above grade so there's no there's
no reason for us to have a a um guard
rail if you will um there is talk of
mounting um possibly a small rod iron
rail to the stair uh on the side um as
you approach from the driveway um we are
not sold yet on a railing for the front
stair as of yet okay thank you if we did
would be super minimal I mean it would
be something that would probably just be
a nice iron iron strip or something
nothing um nothing bulky nothing like
the railing in the back
sure I'm sure something minimalist would
be nice may I ask who's speaking though
I can't I didn't hear who was speaking
oh this is Joselyn crossy thank
you thank
you uh members of the board any
additional
questions uh and Suzanne I want to come
back to you you had uh made a comment
regarding the the rail uh for the uh
shutter uh at the second floor uh are
you offering that as a recommendation or
as a
condition I I I would not make it so
that they had to do it I just think that
it it makes it it it it helps that um
that detail he'll be understood a little
bit better as all so it would a
recommendation not a condition agreed
thank you thank you we certainly can
revisit that conversation with the
homeowner uh if if I hear no other uh
comments or questions from the board and
uh if no one has raised their hand in
the chat room uh Kathy May I have
findings of fact findings of fact and
decision of the board for application
number ar-20 D60 for property located at
136 North Roosevelt for the proposed new
covered front porch the board finds that
a certificate of appropriateness should
be submitted noting that the proposed
porch is architectually compatible with
the existing
structure thank you uh members of the
board you've heard the findings of fact
do you have any additions or
Corrections hearing none uh Pete you've
heard the fin of fact uh do you agree to
those as they become part of this
application I do thank you uh may I have
a motion to
approve
move and a
second I'll second great thank you
please call the
role uh Miss Tony yes Mr
Scott yes Mr Helman yes Miss crosy
yes and chairman bergell uh yes your
application is approved thank you very
much thank you very much I'm showing
that our next
application uh is
ar-20
d67 the applicant and owner Nathan
alwine the address
2702 Bellwood uh and Karen or Kathy
would you like to share with us the
nature of that application
okay
um first of all I want to make sure that
everyone who is here to testify for this
case before I get started raises their
hand so that I can get you into the
panelist room I see Miss Kate
alwine
um anybody else would like to testify
please raise your hand virtually on the
on the zoom
okay we should be good to go um this
application is seeking Architectural
Review and a certificate of
appropriateness for new roof Windows
Dormers and demolition or replacement of
the heart the front yard landscape wall
and column the proposed addition to the
ex the to the existing home excuse me
it's compatible with the existing
structure and is appropriate but seems
awkward in its volume in the shape um
I'd like to staff is willing to work
with the applicant I've actually talked
to the applicant um pending the Comfort
level with the board um I would be more
than happy to work with the applicant on
that very awkward front roof situation
um and one of for two reasons one I I
had a lovely conversation I feel very
comfortable with the applicant and two
we don't have a December meeting so I
could help them get on their way um by
helping them redesign that roof line um
of course that's the discretion of the
board whether or not you're comfortable
with that but I would recommend
approving this application with that
condition that the applic work with me
to refine the details including the
Dormers the front facade to better
complement the existing structure and
the applicant who um will be sworn in
and speak to this um did not disagree
with the awkwardness of that um roof
situation thank you so would Mr and or
Mrs allwine like to come forward and be
sworn
in
sure please state your name and raise
your right hand Nathan alline
do you somly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth I do thank you Mr
all thank you is there anything you
would like to add uh to what Karen has
already shared yeah thank you um and I
apologize for my name um I was
frantically trying to get my laptop to
work and it wasn't so I apologize I'm
actually Nathan not my wife um my wife
looks much better than I do
so but so this this property um in
general
if I could if I could name it it'd be
clean up beautify um it needs a lot of
clean up and love um but just looking at
the front in my humble opinion it is um
just awkward um and I was just trying to
figure out a way that would be Finance
um financially feasible because where
this property is located um it it can't
warrant um a large scale renovation just
from in my humble opinion where it is so
trying to do the best I can with the
least amount of funds which I guess
that's everybody's goal um um to to make
it
look uh better um and and more even um
built in 1906 I don't think they really
cared I guess for this property in my
opinion didn't really seem like they
really cared about the front of the
property being even or or anything like
that um and again that's my humble
opinion uneducated op
so I was just trying to think of
creative ideas where I can make it just
look better and not a large scale um
model or addition um and adding the
third window kind of adding the third
window made
the uh made it look even compared to the
the little window above above it um and
then kind of feeling in the void which
in my opinion that's what it kind of
looks like that that the house just
needs something in the upper if you're
looking at the front of that property
the upper left hand uh area um and that
area would be initially just you'd be
you'd get to it from a pull down attic
ladder so just be attic space and
potentially way down the road maybe a
third story but I would need to also put
in a um a staircase for that so that
would be a huge Endeavor which is
probably not in the plans but
thank you uh thank you very much members
of the board do you have any comments or
questions from Mr
all uh on the
drawings
um the the which is the facade of
preference and and what are the others
that are studies can you guide us
through those
drawings I apologize um I don't
understand your
question the we are looking
the the and again I'm sorry I'm looking
on a small screen uh there seem to be
two facades on well it keeps moving on
me so I can't go back the the sheet
above the sheet I'm now we're now
looking at this this sheet correct so
there are two elevations on this is the
one the one is existing and then the
other proposed one is on top that's
correct and the other the uh the image
right below that is the rear here or is
that just another alternative for the
front um the one to the left is an
existing photo a real photo of what it
looks like currently no I'm now I'm on
sheet two I'm sorry where it has where
are those different studies of the front
elevation no they're just the the one on
your right side on the screen is the
exist drawing of the existing and the
one on the left is the proposed okay
it's hard to see the trimp P okay there
we go thank you clarifies and what
studies have we looked at Kath or Karen
to uh remedy the awkwardness of the of
the roof
extension we haven't done that yet that
I'm willing to I'm willing to lead him
through that we can either do that and
remand it to my approval or um bring it
back in in January depending on the
board's preference but I just want to
remind you that we don't have a December
meeting I I think it's very awkward the
way it is now and we talked on the phone
Mr all so he understands and agrees um
there's a lot of different solutions I
can think of off the top of my head I
mean this window is awkward this Dormer
hits it the wrong way this floating Eve
doesn't match the existing Eve um you
know how it terminates there's there's a
lot of
things I agree that it's what he's
proposing is very awkward um and the
only thing that I can think of would be
to just make that area a flat roof um
you know again I I haven't spent much
time designing it but when I or thinking
about it but when I look at it it just
seems like a flat roof might be um less
awkward than what is there or what is
proposed but that's my two cents yeah I
mean my tendency would be to guide the
same the same way that this that this
becomes just a flat roof here in a
smaller dorm room on the back on the
side that doesn't meet at the ridge line
that is subservient to the house and to
make the window here um not jumping off
the side right and as we're looking at
that window that you were just pointing
to uh I'm curious why that window is at
a discernably different elevation than
either the second or third floor C can
you help me with that yeah so uh Jim
George is a gentleman who uh created
this for me and um he basically
basically did it at no cost because he
didn't like the idea of how it looked
either um and he said uh well let me
just put this out there and see what you
think um he he gave other Renditions of
it which the windows more appropriately
higher um but it didn't it was it didn't
have your request Ed um uh when I was
submitting this documentation online you
were asking for a specific scale and he
didn't have it in the specific scale
that you were requesting so he kind of
threw this together um to kind of give
me an idea of what it would look but
you're right the window is not
appropriate it should be higher and the
the roof line should be
higher I I I was actually expecting you
to say that they would be lower but uh
that's not something that we can
necessarily resolve as part of this
meeting I think we're uh mutually in
agreement that it's awkward um with that
let me ask members of the board any
additional comments or
questions yeah I have
a some thoughts uh can you scroll down
Karen the uh one question I have is the
front facade on the existing is is it
looks like it's flush all the way across
the on the second
floor it is that's correct yeah it
is I I think you have a real Challenge
on your hands I think the the addition
that was done as awkward as it is was
probably the best solution at that time
uh because of of trying to stay balanced
with this front Gable and the the um the
the gable roof that's 90 degrees towards
the
back without a differentiation of the uh
the the front facade uh setback between
the gate this is a great gable roof on
the right and your shed roof on the left
um without that left SP of the building
not step back at least four inches I
think you're gonna have a really hard
time making this work um maybe a
solution is to fur out the front and I
I'm not saying there's design issues but
the overall concept is I think you need
to break up these massing uh visually on
the fac
because I think you're you're raising
that roof on the left is it unbalances
the facade and it and you're going to
have a really hard time bringing that
back together and I think that's the
challenge I think with your even the the
the help that you got on the
drawings I don't I don't know which
route you could ever go that's going to
work with this front face being
appearance of it being continuous across
the front on the second floor so I would
really you know I would really look at
how we could maybe break that up in
material or fur it out a little bit or
or even step it back I'm guessing
stepping back is not really an option
just for structural reasons but I would
worry about that and my only suggestion
on the overall other than that would be
look at potentially uh can you go to the
side elevation please um looking at the
side elevation either the existing or
the
proposed and possibly doing a double
Gable with a connecting roof in between
and having the front elevation be um the
edge of the the of of the bottom of the
Gable so an eve as you as you have
almost in your existing elevation and I
think that may help go a long way to
balancing that but I don't know I'm
really with your addition on that area
of the building I'm really torn with how
you're gonna or perplexed on how you're
GNA address that without some
major changes so
um definitely going to want to see this
one I think again yeah I I I agree and
and uh Mr Allan I think you're hearing
that the board is amable to working with
you but that having been said I think
what you're hearing is that uh there is
no clear single direction that any of us
feel comfortable recommending to you
right now based upon what we know a and
my caution is I don't want to place the
burden for design on to City staff so I
I I would hope that presuming that we
find some way of moving forward with you
after this evening and again the board I
think is AD meable to working with you
but I I would strongly suggest that you
engage uh
a designer Andor architect to help you
through this because there is far more
for you to review than what we're seeing
uh in your application this
evening okay that makes
sense and I still um that that
doesn't negate the possibility of you
working with me to not to do the design
at all but just guide you because um he
articulated it much better than I did
but I'm exactly on the same page as Mr
Scott I that I do think you need to
break up that front facade finish Gable
and
step back a dormer I mean I can think of
a few ways to go but you're going to
have to have a designer on your own
figure out the Solutions in detail okay
yeah I I I would say that it is not
simply the front facade I would say that
it uh is what you're labeled as the left
elevation as well I think that there
this is a three-dimensional solution and
that's why I'm hesitant for us to imply
any recommendations uh in the
uh within the confines of this meeting I
think this takes this will require far
more study than this board has and
prospectively then staff should be uh
asked to
provide one quick question Mr chairman
what is the you know the general height
of the Ridgeline of the
house Mr allwine do you know do not
know just just we're not designing
anything here but just one thing is is
potentially uh if you look at Victorian
style uh houses which this is not really
close to but towers are always
interesting elements to if you go higher
than the existing roof potentially in a
tower format you may be able to break up
the masing difference so not designing
anything uh but just as an option you
might actually if you if zoning allows
it you may look at going higher well the
Zoning for R six is two and a half stor
and shall not exceed 35 ft just for your
information right good thank you so uh
Mr alne you you've heard our comments
and you've heard my personal
recommendations on this uh you may
certainly
request uh a
table or the board can move forward with
a vote remanding it to the city design
con consultant so uh I will turn that
back to the board and and City staff as
to what direction uh you feel may be
best are they one and the
same well if we approve this uh upon uh
uh review uh by City staff that that
means that it may not come back to us if
we table it it does come back to us
I would probably be more comfortable
with coming back to
us yeah just to be clear I was just
offering that as um you know an
opportunity because we don't have a
December meeting but I'm not sure much
gets done in December anyway we can also
um meet at the site what I think would
be very beneficial if you have a
designer I'd be happy to meet at the
site and regardless of which direction
you go which I'm going to tell you as
staff I would recommend tabling it after
hearing all this regardless of which way
you go I'm going to be there to help um
through the process and if we did vote
to remand it to me I reserve the right
to bring it back to the board if I don't
if we don't come up with a solution that
I'd be happy with anyway so I I think
it's kind of a wash and probably be
beneficial to bring it back to the board
in January for the first meeting of the
Year
okay
uh Mr alline would you like to request a
table
um and forgive me but what would be the
difference between a table and um
pushing it off until January it's the
same thing same thing oh okay that's
fine um The Roof is in desperate need of
repair so um with this knowledge of of
your opinion I think that um I will
definitely have to get the roof repaired
and that that adds a little bit to my
decision as to whether to do the um the
addition
because I was with the Slate already on
there right now um it would need to be
all re sheathed anyway so that was
already a lot of material that I was
going to be paying for so I thought well
maybe if I can make it a little better
um because I'm already putting a lot of
lumber on there anyways um so with your
guys's opinions I I think I might um
just go ahead and and not uh do the
Dormer at this at this point um just
because of the need of the uh the the um
the desperate need of repair that the
roof is in and winter
coming uh certainly
understood uh although and and I'll look
to Karen for your response to this but
uh if if nevertheless there within the
next week or two there is some
uh ability to uh to arrive at an overall
direction that uh City staff feels maybe
appropriate that may allow you to
achieve
both is that a question for
me it it's looking to a reaction Karen
to you as to whether you think that if
Mr alwine were to come back to you with
some it or if you and Mr alwine mutually
were to arrive at something that appears
to be a a direction that allows him
to uh move forward prior to winter
weather setting in I just didn't want to
foreclose that opportunity I mean we can
divide it into two different two
different motions one is to replace the
roof which the reason it's on here is
that it has that Pennsylvania slate
that's in terrible condition and
hopefully you all have read the attach
letter so we can approve that um or at
least make a motion to approve it and
see if that gets approved or not and
then also table the application that way
you can always withdraw your table you
don't have to come back but it leaves
the option open for you to come back in
January if you decide to do that okay
well that that would be
great so hearing that uh may I have a
motion uh to or Kathy you may want to
read findings of fact for the the Slate
uh but I would look for a motion to
approve the Slate replacement as a first
vote can we have a finding of facts
first yeah that's what I was suggesting
but but if if he decides to go forward
why would he want to invest in a bunch
of repairs if he's going to make so many
modifications that he may end up tearing
some of that out because it just gives
him the option just to give option so so
it's a findings to allow uh the roof
replacement independent of anything else
roof material replacement and how about
the landscape wall and
column can we include that and then
table the rest does the landscape wall
and column need board
approval typically that's something that
I could staff approve so yeah let's just
stick with the roof replacement and and
then table the modifications until
until the applicant chooses to return
correct okay so we're asking for a vote
on the roof right
now all right so the findings effected
conclusions of law for application
number ar-20 d67 for property located at
20702 Bellwood the architecture review
board finds it appropriate to issue a c
certificate of appropriateness to allow
the roof
replacement and further table the
balance of the application for mod
ifications to the principal
structure for a later date uh I I wasn't
tying the two together although that may
be
appropriate I I I was making the roof
replacement and and independent
vote okay well what's your
pleasure that's fine just take off the
table part we'll do that one now okay so
for the rof
replacement okay members of the board
you you have heard the amended findings
effect do you have any any additions or
Corrections hearing none uh Mr alwine
you've heard the findings effect fact
related to the uh roof replacement uh do
you understand that as it becomes part
of this
application yes thank you uh may I have
a motion to
approve so move
and a
second second please call the
role Miss Tony yes Miss crosy yes Mr
Scott yes Mr Helman yes chairman bwell
yes Mr Allan your your roof replacement
is approved uh now I will entertain a uh
a motion uh this can be from the board
uh to table
uh and uh we will move forward
accordingly I move we table uh the
remaining uh parts of the
application thank you and a
second I'll second please call the
role Miss Tony yes Mr
Helman Mr
Helman you're
muted I just there we are yes all right
thank you Mr Scott yes Miss crossy yes
chairman bergell uh yes your table is
accepted uh Mr alwine we wish you well
and we will look forward to seeing you
again after the first of the year thank
you all very much for your time thank
you have a good evening uh with that I'm
showing that our next application is ARB
D20 d69 the applicant is Ralph Morrison
the owner Kathy patteron the address is
970 Chelsea uh Karen or Kathy would you
like to share with us the particulars of
that
application yes I'm putting Mr Morrison
and um Miss Patterson patteron into the
panelist room if there's anybody else
that wants to testify to this case could
you please raise your virtual hand and I
will put you in the room um I do not see
anybody else okay um let me get these
open okay this application um is for
architecture review and a certificate of
appropriateness for a screen porch
Edition I'm going to kind of pull up
some of the pictures I brought this one
before the board because the
documentation is um a little hard to
discern how the masses go together but I
think it's a very simple poor tradition
um again I'm happy to work with this
applicant to further develop the design
um here's the existing home that the
addition is actually quite small this is
this is a the piece that's existing now
you can see from the photos I
believe right back
here and here so the porch and I'm let
the applicants speak to it I believe uh
comes out to the point where the
current deck
is um here is kind of a SketchUp drawing
which I think probably is not the most
accurate drawing in terms of how the
roof lines meet up it's just hard to
tell so there's
um sorry I need to move
that there's the plan which is the
easiest way to see it um but without
without some true Hardline elevations I
was I just didn't really understand how
it all connects together
um it is a simple porch Edition screened
in porch Edition I'm happy to work with
them if it's the pleasure of the board
if not I would suggest tabling it but
I'm happy to have this application um
approved with the condition that they
work with me on finishing Hardline
elevations construction
documentation um
and figure out the way it all fits
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together Kathy do you want to swear in
the
applicants could have the applicants put
their cameras on if you can our City
attorney has a has informed us that we
probably need to do that for swearing in
then you can turn your video back off if
you want um Miss Patterson and Mr
Morrison if you can and you need to
unmute
yourself do we have our
applicant okay you can hear me right yes
yes and Mr Morrison are you there yes
okay uh please state your name starting
with Miss
Patterson Kathy
Patterson umit and Mr Morrison state
your name Ralph Morrison please raise
your right hands do you solemly swear or
affirm the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth yes yes
thank you
m m either one of you is welcome to um
add to any of my
commentary
okay you had a question about the way
the roof lines tied in well if you just
want to give a brief explanation and
that would be great we'll bring
questions from the from the board and
from the the attendees okay great well
the existing room Edition um
the um New porch will tie in directly
under the existing
Gutter and it'll be a flat
roof and so the existing gutter will
remain on
the existing Edition and new gutter will
be installed around the perimeter of the
new porch
thank you uh anything additional you'd
like to
share um not at this time
no I guess maybe I should share that I
have wondered now about not having that
little area en closed but having it
totally screened
in this part right here yes okay I I
think that's a very nice idea yeah well
we were CED about we were concerned
about weather you know and then I
thought well I don't like it any that
like you know I just don't like it that
way so it would totally be screened in
so it would look the same all the way
across
correct the primary question I have as
it relates to uh alignment of new and
existing gutters is
overall height of the space to be
occupied uh are we it's not clear to me
are we stepping down here do we have
sufficient ceiling height to allow those
various changes in plane uh and and
gutter
alignments yes we
do the uh ceiling height in the porch
will
be uh approximately eight feet or more
and there is a step down out of the back
door uh from a platform down to the
existing deck
okay thank you so can I ask a question
are you building this on top of the
existing deck uh the existing deck is
going to be
independently
supported um from the new um roof of the
screen porch and it'll have its own post
and bearing and
footing okay I guess I'm feeling like
there aren't really drawings that show
how this is all being built and I'm a
little confused I guess and Mr Morris
and I talked about that today and he is
well aware that we need to have
construction documents which includes
the elevations that I'm missing to help
me determine better many of the
questions that you're asking well and to
that point what I would have valued
would be uh a a wall section or building
section through this that helps me
understand the relationship of uh the
floor and the ceiling in each one of
these existing and new
sections and am I presuming that the uh
the lower level of the porch are are um
are
shingles uh the roof of the new screen
porch will be flat rubber roof no I mean
the bottom part of the screened porch
what is that material yeah those are
shakes and that's a wood trim bottom
yes and the inside is is shingles as
well correct they're uh they're cedar
shingles on both sides of some kind of
framing so shingles on the inside
shingles on the outside
correct although that can be changed
right easily if we don't like the
shingles well I would recommend not
doing them on the inside per I would too
I mean I I Think You're Gonna Want like
just
a just a piece of a board wood board or
you know knee wall that doesn't have the
shingles on the inside that's kind of an
exterior
treatment I I don't really even
understand what those little walls
do um again I I'm I'm really struggling
with this application just because I
don't I don't really understand how this
addition ties ties into the existing
house because you didn't draw like the
the windows and stuff on the house I
don't really see how the how the windows
on the new part line up with the windows
on the existing house and there's
just I'm really struggling with
it is there Cedar Shake on any of the
rest of the house
no it's final
sighting I I I would really like for it
and we've talked about this about I want
it to be the style of the house which is
pretty much Colonial I guess um but I
just wanted a screen porch that I could
enjoy that's
basically all that I care
about Karen this is uh this has
similarities to the last application
that we reviewed where we we certainly
want to work with the applicant we want
the applicant to be successful uh but
there are things here that I sense that
the board uh has not yet had answered
that uh we we cannot fully address nor
make recommendations for within the the
scope of this meeting Karen do you feel
comfortable that you could move forward
uh if we were
to condition approval upon your review
or is this a case where again we should
table for subsequent review well this
case I feel comfortable but I think the
applicant needs to know that I would
really want to see a lot of changes you
know I don't I personally don't think
this theater shake matches the house I
mean I would put I would put um wood
panels um I would make it simple um I I
very much like the idea of not having
that enclosed space and just having a
screen porch so um you know I'm I would
feel comfortable doing this it doesn't
have the same kind of complexities of
roof situation that kind of thing but I
just need to make sure the applicant
knows that those are the kind of changes
I would I actually agree with the owner
that I would I would want to see it
match the existing home a lot more than
this drawing does Mr chairman Karen have
you met with the owner or just the Mr
Morrison nobody's that we just spoke on
the phone today yeah I think it' be wise
to have the owner and Mrs Morrison and
you
be yeah I think onsite would be
great and and we can do that
quickly again again if we if if the
board chooses to remand this to me which
I'm comfortable with um I would want to
move on I'd want to meet on site um
explain the the vision as I think the
board sees it and if I'm not if we can't
get there with then we come back um but
I'm totally fine with if the board feels
more comfortable tabling it then the
process is no different I'll still meet
on site work with the applicant and
bring it back in January that's thank
you that's your call thanks and Mr Scott
you were making a comment yeah can you
go to the rear photo
Karen is the existing rear Edition it
has a bay window does it
not has three Windows three windows and
a but
that it sticks out from the facad with
a so I I really worri that has a little
shed roof on it so uh that's going to be
complex tying in a flat roof into that
uh at that location um but you know
obviously it can be done uh but then in
the rendering I think we see Shake in
there on that so I think I agree with
all of the comments to date and uh and
actually even from
um who I think is the owner that the
opening up that um corner and not
enclosing it but making it all screen
porch would would be go a long way to
balancing this out um and I I agree with
the sheeter cedar Shake I don't think it
fits at all um but you know it all could
be white too I mean I think there could
be panels and it could look very nice so
I think I'm happy with having the client
work with Karen and design consultant
well what what I'm hearing is that
again the board wants the applicant to
be successful but that there are both
Technical and aesthetic details that
would demand significant
refinement and again Karen I will look
to you if you feel that you can address
those uh as uh a a contingent approval
by the board uh we can take that tact or
we can table this and ask that the
applicant come back to
us are you asking me again yes I'm
looking for your reaction because
ultimately in either case this uh this
place is a burden back to you um but I I
thought I yeah that's what I was saying
I'm I'm comfortable either direction
this project I am
comfortable yeah may I may I say
something commanded to me certainly yeah
may I say something
yeah I really appreciate the input from
the board and certainly appreciate the
offer from Karen and would um honor the
opportunity to work with her to detail
this into a fashion that would be
acceptable I'd like to just add one
additional thing for the owner uh being
a an inveterate lover of screened in
porches you may find that having no
panel at the bottom is preferable uh
because then when you look out those
three Windows nothing breaks your view
to the
yard right I have thought about that I
guess I the M really the only reason we
were thinking of that was because I have
dog a dog that's I don't want them
charging out through the screen or
children you
know but my lot is so small that I want
as much space as possible that I so that
I can feel like I'm Outdoors because
it's just a small lot and my joy is
going to come from the
yard once I get it where I want it to be
yep so I'm happy with most anything I'm
pretty easy to deal with well Mr hon
talk to Mr Morrison today that is one of
the reasons I'm okay with it too because
I can tell you know that there's a very
there's a willingness to work with it
and I I just think it needs to be
simplified a lot well Mr Scott is asked
to speak yeah I'm sorry I I just want to
I mean I know we we we we all hit on
having additional Hardline drawings but
uh I've seen a lot worse SketchUp models
on my day so I also want to say I do
appreciate the effort that was put into
the model uh that model probably could
give us a lot more information just with
setting up a couple additional views so
um I do appreciate the effort put into
the 3D we we do look for that and it was
though we may have issues with some of
the content I think it uh I think it was
a good effort in in the spirit in the
spirit of that optimism let me suggest
to the board that we entertain findings
of fact to have this come to a vote and
uh be remanded to the city design
consultant uh for further refinement and
that if uh if that is not successful
then this would come back before the
board but otherwise we would be
remanding it to the city
design and I'm looking for a response
from all parties as to whether that is a
viable plan of action well this would be
an approval
right correct contingent upon uh uh
working with the city design consultant
and absent uh uh
accommodation uh then it would come back
to the the
board yeah I would well I would make
such a motion upon the finding effects
okay great and I would second that
motion if it was
available so with that Kathy whenever
you're
comfortable I do have a question I don't
know if I'm allowed to ask this question
here or not but you're all Architects
and I'm a teacher so um would it be
better not to have that you mean I I
used to have one that went all the way
down to the to the floor and I loved it
is is that what you would recommend for
a porch like this on this particular
house I would
yeah yeah you may find after you check
the condition of the deck that you might
even want to go with something on a
slab and we can work out these details
between us um if we given the direction
that the board is going right now let me
let me just add the uh again being a
inveterate lover of screen in pores uh
it's really nice to step down into a
screened in porch from an interior space
because you feel like you are
progressing to the outside and then you
know there's there maybe a step down
into the yard it's a very nice
progression it also gives you a little
more height than your porch because what
you also want on your porch roof is a
fan You're Gonna Want You're Gonna Want
the ability to put a fan up there there
is um it does step down into the porch
as it
is good so so with with that Kathy
whenever you're ready we will entertain
findings of fact okay the findings of
fact and conclusions of law for
application number ar-20 d69 for
property located at 970
Chelsea for the proposed screen porch
addition the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued with the condition that the
applicant work with the design
consultant and if a design cannot be
agreed upon that it return to the board
thank you members of the board you've
heard the findings of fact uh do you
have any additions or
Corrections and for Miss Patterson and
for Mr Morrison you you've heard the
finds in fact uh do you agree to those
as they become part of this application
I'm very grateful for your knowledge and
you know your help because you know
Beckley best so I thank you for spending
this time doing this and Ralph was great
he he you know he's just great Arch he's
just
great thank you very much and that's why
we're here we're happy to help so thank
you so with that uh may I have a motion
to approve I would so move and a second
I would second please call the
role Mr Scott yes Miss Tony yes Mr
Helman yes Miss crossy yes and chairman
verell uh yes thank you your application
is approved we wish you well thank you
thank you very much look forward to
working with you thank you so we can
leave meeting now right um sorry can we
leave the meeting now we can leave you
can I said I've never done this wait
hold I'll kick you
out uh with that I'm showing that our
next application is ar-20
-71 the applicant Alyssa reri and the
owner uh Chris Haler the address is 219
South Columbia uh so with that Karen or
Kathy would you like to share with us
the nature of this
application yes um give me a second to
promote anyone that would like to speak
to this case if you could raise your
virtual hand I'll put you um into the
the hearing room
oh hold on I got a lot of hands being
raised
sorrys okay I think we have everybody
if I did not get you moved into the
panelist room um please raise your hand
but I think I have everybody thank you
okay um so ple please share with us the
the nature of this application okay this
application um this this well let me
back up this owner was before the
board I think it was two months ago not
last month to
um to get solar panels which um we have
no rule against solar panels in Bexley
but we do require the review of the
architecture review board when solar
panels are to be installed on a front
facade front roof um so this came before
the board for uh a certificate of
appropriateness and Architectural Review
um there were there was a lot of concern
about the the pattern the aesthetic the
the the frontage to the street a and and
we had significant
conversation um including some ideas of
what might be some acceptable solutions
for for this um kind of project um but
the applicant at the time wanted to go
ahead and vote as submitted and we did
and he was denied the certificate of
appropriateness um since then the
application has come back with a a
completely new application and it is new
in that it is a different design
completely it is um the removal of the
green awning um porch cover and a
construction
of a new um a new perola which will have
um it does have a slant to it a little
bit of a slope to it that attaches to
the home and will house the solar panels
on that
roof
um I'm going to bring up the design and
I also have the ability to go back and
forth to if anybody needs to see any of
the application any of the images from
the last
month from two months ago please let me
know it's really not relevant because
it's a brand new application but just to
just to get some um idea of H of some
some pictures of how the house looks now
I'm happy to bring those
up
so and yes um to I I see a hand raised
it is um the architect and I just want
you to know I think think you're
probably going to ask me if I just got
your email with more pictures and yes I
did and I will put them up there um but
if Cathy wants to go ahead and swear in
the applicants I don't know if you want
to swear in everybody that wants to
testify right now probably idea how many
do we
have let's see
um it's me and two Solar Guys on my side
okay then we have and I would ask that
anyone who wishes to speak to this uh
identify either your organization or
your address
yes okay so Karen do you want to read
the names and then they can confirm
whether they're who they're with or
where they live
um um
Chris just say your
name okay Chris haor 219 South Columbia
property owner um J Dage sorry if I
pronounced it yes uh 2241 Dale Avenue
right across the street from Crystal's
house
okay um Seth hi Seth trance the
architect for the
project is there an
Alec yeah Alec thern with uh solar is
freedom okay Jake
trubiano yes Jake trubiano with solar is
freedom as well um Dr
mine did you want to testify Dr
manine is he muted
yes there there he is
okay and it Dr Rene and your address
there we go your name and address Mike
Manan 226 South Columbia Avenue on the
east side of the property thank you okay
all right so if everyone would raise
their right hand do if you solemnly
swear or affirm the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
please say yes yes yes yes thank you
thank
you uh with that uh Karen or Kathy any
additional staff comments at this point
before we take
testimony no I think the applicant may
want to the architect may want to give
some additional information okay uh I I
know we have some neighbors with
standing who would like to speak but I
will ask that the the applicant and the
applicants representative speak first so
if you would kindly identify yourselves
and share with us uh what you may what
may have not already been
shared uh I guess I can start this is
Chris haor I'm the owner of the last
meeting it was very adamant that we
dropped the green awning and try to
replace it and use that as a way to hold
the solar so it's not um quite as
obtrusive so follow the advice and
worked with Seth trance on these
wonderful designs and uh with our solar
team on redesigning the the solar layout
and that's what you see before you thank
you
uh do uh do you uh Mr halor or your
representative have any additional
comments only if Seth
does um do you want me to pull up all
those
pictures uh go ahead yeah just pull up
the existing so they can maybe see that
the the other PDF of those photos I sent
you all right
really it's the same thing it's just
pictures of the existing and while we're
waiting for that uh for either Mr trance
or Mr halor can
you uh make clear to all in attendance
what the scope of that is are we simply
looking at what is in the foreground in
this image uh as receiving the solar
panels or are there any other existing
parts of the house to receive solar
panels Chris you can discuss that with
your team yeah there's um well excluding
the backside
correct well no i' I'd like to I'd like
to make certain that we we have an
inclusive understanding of everything
that is to receive solar panels sure so
um I don't know if we're waiting for a
photo but there will be solar panels on
the back side of the home uh on the
backside of the green awning porsch
porch excuse me and on the back middle
of the house as well and then uh Alec or
Jak side yeah forget forgive me you you
have an interesting home which with
which I'm very familiar uh the front
side and back side are not easily
defined so I'm presuming that uh South
the South side is the one that we're
predominantly interested in and and so
I'm looking for any anything that is
other than the South Side sure so there
are uh and Jake or Alec correct me I'm
wrong because we've gone through a
couple versions of this but I want to
say there's two or three solar panels on
the southwest of the home as well is
that correct still correct yes three
three panels on the
Southwest and there should be we did
submit photos with the uh permit so
there should be a a PDF in there
somewhere in this month or in from two
months ago from this month we we
resubmitted it to you guys
uh and I I'd like to just chime in that
I think because of the proposed
structure that's added to the home they
were able to shift some of those uh
solar panels that had more of an angle
and were more visible on that Central
roof on the South Side onto the porch
Edition so and that has less of an
angled roof so they're not as easily
viewed as I interrup and
clarify um
the I don't see anything that shows that
solar I don't know what happened Chris
on your end with submitting it but I
don't see the overall roof in the in
these so Karen's trying to look for it
but it's not in there yeah it's an old
one if you can scroll back to the last
application we
canl Ken arb2 d71
the solar company's application this is
a combination of theirs and and Seth
trance's application you mean this
application right
here it doesn't have
any no let me go ahead and do what I was
trying to do which is go
back yeah I can the last month um two
months
ago yeah I had it in here
I'm I'm looking at it right now if I
could email it to you guys I could
certainly do
that yeah that's fine if you just want
to email it to me do you want me to do
the porch in the meantime maybe just
clarify that
yeah that's that's all good and we we do
want to give that uh our full Focus but
uh
again this is a particularly sensitive
application because the prior submission
was was not approved uh and it demanded
an entirely new separate application and
what I'm hearing in testimony over the
last couple of minutes is that what
we're now looking at is some hybrid of
new and existing and that troubles me so
please help me understand as rapidly as
you can what indeed this application is
including so the last application if
you're looking at the photo of the green
on there we had a variety of solar
panels on that roof and then we had
three solar panels on the Southwest as
well uh the new application we were
actually able to work with Seth to
create a covered awning as you can see
in in the photo here where the panels
instead of being you know at a 45 degree
angle will be much closer to the a level
where will be less uh obtrusive to the
eye I guess is is the statement K Karen
could you go to the permit set please
the that's on the
application that has the panels on
it this one yes thank
you up top the pictures on the top and
then in the plan has the best way to
look at it is on top there right here
yeah top left or top right before we had
um couple four vertical panels like that
and then four blow it four blow it so
and again just to make certain that I'm
clear on what you're describing because
I think what I've just heard is indeed
this application is contained to what we
have on the screen right now but you've
referred to quote the
southwest side of the house and uh my
knowledge of of Bexley geography is that
what we're looking at uh in those two
aom metrics is the South face of the
house not the South West so I I want to
make sure that we're all describing this
in the same
fashion what what we what we submitted
for the full solar application is is not
on this drawing correct yeah is is there
two different applications for this
property one that that has the the solar
information one that has the engineering
for the new structure because I am
certain that we send it in and I and
again I'd be happy to resend it in I
would just need an email yeah hold on it
just a
second I think JN sent it to yeah this
is Jocelyn I it was sent to all of us
earlier in the week and so I just
forwarded you the PDF that has the solar
solar kilowatt per hour uh you know
information in it and then it shows an
image of their house and where the solar
panels
are okay hold on just a second because
this is not IM you'll be able to see uh
Peter where they have the solar panels
and their solar panels because I looked
at this so I'm going to help them out
here their solar panels are on the north
side of the house on their existing main
part of their house and then on this uh
new porch area they have solar panels on
the top part that's the new covered
porch and then up and they were showing
it to you on the left image on the first
page of that sheet up as it comes up to
the peak so
you'll be able to see it once they pull
this other document up
okay does that answer your question
Peter I think the top left photo is the
the best one for everyone to
see yes that's yeah
let me turn this over to the full board
because uh this
is not what I had understood from uh
reviewing the materials that I had found
online so uh let me turn this over to
the full board for your
questions I mean just to clarify I I
believe that the rest of this
application with the exception of those
front the front slope it Remains the
Same is that
correct it's similar yes can you walk up
through that sure so the original the
original design was vertical on the
green awning section and now we're
horizontal but the other sections we
have kept in the back side of the home
and then those three kind of
tiered ones right these yep and just to
be clear that was never an issue and in
fact if this application didn't have the
front panels that would be just reviewed
by
staff I believe just to chime in from
from the last meeting uh one of the one
of the um kind of points of concern was
that the panels on that the pergola
portion of the home were not symmetrical
and there was Open Spaces to the roof so
I remember that being one of the reasons
for the uh updated engineering docks
I remain confused the the previous
application if it was turned down we
can't pick parts of that and bring it
forward to this unless it has been
specifically
resubmitted as an
application
I folks legal risk at the so I I don't
know what how we are defining what is
current the current application as
received we can't automatically carry
something over from the previous it has
to be resubmitted I believe everything
you're seeing has been
resubmitted and the suggestion of the
board last time was to build a structure
and get rid of the green awning and so
that's what uh was gone ahead and done
um so that's why this is a whole
completely different
application and as far as I'm Kathy can
correct I'm wrong but we haven't pulled
up any of the old application photos or
anything there everything that you've
seen tonight has been applied for
correct Mr chairman this is this is Pete
and I would recommend us not doing that
I think we have a lot of information
we're looking at and bringing up the
previous application will only confuse
that I I totally agree I I
um official process about how what
percentage needs to be new versus old is
is is uh out of my domain and and uh if
this is a new application number or not
it Kathy or Karen will have to confirm
but uh I do uh very much remember that
conversation uh in the outcome of the
vot and uh I have reviewed the the
structure that is now being built to
house these solar panels um which we all
agree is on a very difficult lot uh
where there is really no the only rear
side of the house is actually the front
which is on the north um and as the
worst part of of house to really obtain
solar energy so uh I would have to say
based on what I'm seeing on this
application I have to commend the the
applicant on um hearing what the board
has suggested and when I would say were
were ideas and just kind of
brainstorming uh and taking some of that
to heart and actually moving forward on
uh removing an awning which uh really
didn't fit too well on the existing
structure and is now building a
permanent structure uh which is uh not
only
I think works fairly well at the house I
think I may have a couple comments on
that but also does a really good job of
hiding those solar panels so I I uh I I
appreciate the efforts that have been
done to date and the additional work
that's gone into this application to
continue to work towards getting solar
energy put into this this property which
uh is a very difficult property I think
to do because of its character its
location so I I um you know process is
aside I like Kathy and Karen talk about
that and clarify anything on that but I
think as a submitt um and based on our
position as a board and the city's
commitment to solar energy uh I I find
this solution to be uh one of the I I
don't see many options in addition to
this or in alternative to this of how
they could do this other than what I'm
seeing today so to clarify that I'm very
confused um Mr Bardwell about the
concern because these drawings that I
have up here now and I AP olizee that I
didn't have them at my fingertips but
they are definitely dated after the last
meeting so these are update these are
part of this whole new application what
what what um Kathy and I had determined
is that it is definitely a new
application I mean that that's a major
change for me as staff and for Kathy we
didn't even really have any debate over
it it builds a new structure it um
changes it completely changes the angle
of visibility of the um new solar panels
on the front um so that that's the
explanation of why we did not consider
it a a reapplication of the same to me
it doesn't even remotely resemble the
original application um it's it's a
significantly different project in terms
of what's being built now that's not
just you can still judge it however
you'd like to but I just want to clarify
that it's a new application uh as
determined by staff and is significantly
different which is why we did put in a
new application and it's a full
application well I I have and I will
apologize to all if if I am horribly
overlooking something but I I'm I'm
looking at the city website right now
for this application and I see nothing
other than the covered patio Edition uh
posted to the city website for this
application for this even that's why
that's why I'm apologizing I we we've
been struggling to get everything up I
brought it up for you to see right now
and for the public to see right now and
if it didn't get posted to the city's
website um I I
apologize no apologies necessary but
that that's why I am horribly confused
because and that's why I posed the
question at at the very beginning of our
discussion on this application was to
make certain that what I have seen
posted is indeed the full scope of what
is being requested and it is not so uh
again please forgive my my uh concern on
this but what I'm hearing and seeing now
is very different than what I had
presumed entering this
meeting well unless that was a mistake
on my part I mean working with the
applicant uh you know solar panels are
not
prohibited however when they are visible
from the street it is up to this board
to work with the applicants on the
proper
design before they can go forward and
the applicant I believe has made
significant improvements and changes
from what was originally submitted but I
also you know you know what I've been
through for the last couple weeks but
I'm also working with two different
applications because I had an
application for the porch Edition and an
application for the solar so these two
contractors and two companies are
working together on this case and I
thought I had uploaded information from
both so I apologize if some was missing
but I they did two separate CM medals
the drop box we're not we're not seeking
for seeking apologies or or or anything
of that nature uh what you're hearing
from me is frustration that I entered
this review with a completely different
understanding of what was being
requested than what I'm seeing and
hearing now so with that let me let me
turn back to the full board and ask for
additional
comments yeah all all I want to clarify
is that the drawing that I'm now looking
at with the orange roof and the
placement uh is is legally and
effectively part of the current
application that we're reviewing that's
what I want to confirm yes it is thank
you I'd like to make a few statements
this is Joselyn please I agree I agree
with u Mr Scott's assessment um I I saw
this document I looked at all the
documents that were sent to us earlier
in the week before I went online and
looked at things that were uploaded um
so I did get to review this document I
find it to be a well thought-out
approach for the solar panel placement I
find it to be balanced um and I believe
that the new work that they're proposing
uh over their patio is going to because
of the low slope of the roof um not only
is it allowing still solar panels on the
South Side that's going to help them uh
but it's also so because it's a low
slope and it's on the south uh at a low
slope um it it won't necessarily be
visible to other people so I don't find
any concerns with the placement of their
panels uh where you have where we see
them on this document on the left hand
side um and uh and I appreciate what
they've done uh I was on that board
meeting two months ago so I appreciate
seeing it come back and that the solar
panels are still
there thank you
uh this is Suzanne I was not in the
meeting two months ago to see the
original application um but I think that
your design of uh the the new addition
and putting the uh the panels on the
roof is is very nice I think it's a an a
very nice
application uh I too was not part of
that meeting and want to make sure I
understand all the implications than
that I'm sure this has already been
reviewed uh presumably there is no white
TR
separating these panels that that'll all
be black
trim
not proof drawing shows just to be able
to tell where the panels are uh but
presumably those white lines will be
black lines in the installation yes sir
that that is correct these are black
onblack panels so they will be black
frames
correct uh thank you uh members of the
board I appreciate your comments uh I
think it is important and I I do want to
move this meeting forward because we
still have yet one additional
application after this uh but I would
like to hear brief comments uh from uh
uh neighbors with standing so uh Karen
if you would kindly identify uh the
sequence in which they would speak uh
again I would emphasize uh we would like
your comments that are uh as brief as
possible so that we can move forward so
if if you're in the um panelist room to
testify on this case please raise your V
virtual
hand yeah how do we do that oh there's a
you can do that too you can raise your
real hand too here we are okay go right
ahead that'll have a a thing there um I
thought I heard Mike mannan first in
there he's on first don't care it
doesn't matter to us either
way okay um I I own the house directly
across the street from uh Chris's and I
and I've tried to be neighborly about
this and I still want to be neighborly
about it I will take uh offense to the
comment that the panels are not visible
the panels are horrendously visible uh
but uh we're not going to solve the
problem tonight of the city of beckley's
uh uh solar panel but I feel very
strongly that solar panels should be
integrated in the design of the house
and material and color and that it
should not be visible from contiguous
rways uh these panels are black panels
on a tan
roof uh there's wiring and cables that
are on the outside of the roof they're
going to string across the top of the
roof and because this house sits on a
corner they're going to be visible from
Colombia and they're going to be visible
from Dale Avenue I don't know that I can
do anything about that because that
doesn't seem to be your policy but as we
move forward and the City of Bexley
moves forward I think you have to think
about the precedent here this means that
if somebody had a house on Fair Avenue
or Beckley Park and wanted to put solar
panels on the south facing side of the
roof they could fill the front side of
their house with solar panels I think
that's a bad
precedent um but maybe that's not a
pertinent here what I'm concerned with
more than that uh and I don't want to
get into what the porch looks like or
anything like that is uh if Chris wants
to put panels on the south side of the
roof which directly face my house uh
that's fine but I asked him to Shield
them and I suggested that uh it could be
done with a parit or some kind of short
screen wall or whatever so they could
lay down behind it I don't think that um
I should have to look at 12 solar panels
out the front of of my house and um
there's nine that lay relatively flat
that will be on the lower roof they
could easily be hidden by a small parit
or something but there's three that are
on the existing roof there's no way to
hide those I don't think those should be
there um and uh there are three there's
staggered on the back
roof uh which are still kind of hidden
uh but they are visible from Dale Avenue
uh I think it's a bad precedent um I
would be in favor of this
plan um with a little bit of redesign of
the porch so that the panels that are on
the relatively flat roof uh are not
visible from the street or from the
sidewalk and the three panels Up on the
parit Roof where the where the where the
roof goes up could be
removed um but uh I think the porch
design is not in keeping with the
neighborhood I think to allow solar
panels to be on the front or the street
facing sides of a city like Bexley on a
street like Columbia or Parkview or
someplace like this is is the wrong
thing to do I did offer Chris
today uh to meet with myself Mike mannan
and Jeff mclusky who owns Jeff owns the
house just to the north I didn't have a
chance to talk to the Shooks and try to
work out a solution that we thought we
could be happy with uh but we're here on
the having the meeting now and uh uh I
think that there might be a better
solution here um that hides these things
and puts them farther away uh and I can
also tell you that neither myself self
or Jeff
MOSI received any notice of this
application from the city of beex first
I got about it is when I heard about it
from um a friend of mine who said have
you heard about the solar panels on
Chris's house Chris told me he was going
to do it but uh or he was thinking about
doing it but I I never saw any paperwork
on it till now um and I think the porch
is this is an older house in an older
neighborhood a little bit more refined I
think there could be a better design on
the porch itself rather than a a lean to
with four
poles uh thank you uh may we hear from
uh others
withstanding um are you able to hear me
Peter yes Mike Manan hey so you know I
would I would Echo Jay's sentiment
number one uh and you know I was busy
today
got overheated with Karen which I should
not have but you know I I misunderstood
the how the board functions and my
understanding at the last meeting was
that you know Street exposed panels were
not going to be permitted at this site
and that that was a final decision there
was an option given to Chris earlier uh
to maybe revise it but he turned that
down and said no I'll live with your
decision voted up or down and it was
voted down I understand subsequently
from Karen that's not the case and this
is a new application
so that was my understand my
misunderstanding I I would tell you your
mayor doesn't know the rules of the city
I spoke with him this afternoon and he
doesn't know the rules of the city about
solar panels on the front of the house
he thinks they're allowed anywhere you
want to put them um which was a little
disc I would like to speak to that this
is Kathy Rose I'm the zoning officer
yeah Kathy and I actually have solar
panel code in front of me at the moment
and I would like to read this so for
everybody's clarification
solar panels photo btic panels or solar
hot air or water panel collector device
which relies upon solar radiation as an
energy source for the generation of
electricity or transfer of stored heat
shall comply with the following
restrictions location one ground-mounted
solar panels exceeding two square feet
in area shall be located in a s or rear
yard only shall maintain a setback of 10
ft from a property line two roof and
flush mounted solar panels shall be
allowed subject to the architecture
review the architecture review will
consider the following a rear and side
locations are preferred any installation
on the front roof facade shall be
justified by providing an analysis
analysis of why the front facade is
necessary in order to generate viable
output B the color of the solar solar
panels shall be complementary to the
roof color as determined by the arch
tecture review board C the configuration
and profile of the assembly shall be
complimentary to the roof line as
determined by the architecture review
board installation should minimize the
number of corners and should avoid
complex and or nonsymmetrical
configurations D wiring and supporting
infrastructure should be designed in
such a way as to minimize visible Vis
visibility from the right of way and E
installations shall be sensitive to the
property surrounding properties and
neighborhood context so he's not seeking
a variance he's simply seeking design
review I understand that Kathy but what
the mayor told me today was that the
board overstepped its bounds by by
refusing this the last time that was
from the mayor today at four o'clock so
I'm just quoting what I got back I'm I'm
a citizen I'm not an architect and I I
share most of Jay's concerns I guess my
concern in This was um you know when
this first came to me when I first got
this request or this notice of the board
two months ago um you know I went
directly to Chris I I didn't I thought
we have a good neighborly relationship I
had visited them and thanked them for
the improvements they made I still hope
we have a good neighborhood relationship
and but I thought you know if I have a
problem I shouldn't just go to a board
and talk to it I should talk to my
neighbor and ask him what he's thinking
about and what could be done I was kind
of told to know uncertain terms they're
going in no matter what but that's okay
I can live with that I'm you know I was
young once I did those things uh I
understand that um but you know then it
was my understanding at the meeting it
was turned down I thought the issue was
resolved that we weren't going to have
Street facing panels and then I get my
mail on Monday and this is in three days
before this meeting I get notice of
another meeting and here's the way we're
going to do it and it it's a little
frustrating as I guess I would have
appreciated had Chris come and visited
me and said hey Mike I'd really like to
do solar panels how can we make this
work and you know maybe we could had a
sit down and talk about this and it
would have been seemingly to me the
neighborly way to handle this and maybe
we could have come to resolution I share
Jay's concern about the street facing
panels I'm also concerned about the
panels that face the north side because
this house really has two fronts there's
a front on Dale and a front on on uh
Columbia and the one ones that are on
the north side of that
porch personally to me I mean those are
evident to everybody coming down D or
coming down Colombia you know they're
black against a brown roof I guess the
question for me one of the changes I
would have suggested to Chris is put
those on that Northwest side where
there's no exposure to anybody and it's
the same roof getting the same sunlight
I I don't understand why they have to be
there on Columbia Avenue for everybody
to look at I agree with Jay that somehow
flatten ing that front roof would help I
mean I want to come to a neighborly
conclusion I am a green energy person I
drive an electric car um you know I mean
I pay attention to this as well and I
don't mean to be a kogan I'm I'm I
really want to be a neighbor and a
friend not a a pain in the neck but it
is a it's a beautiful part of the city I
hate to see things tacked onto houses
and you know additions done that may not
be in line with the remainder of the
neighborhood
which is why we have a group of very
very good design professionals reviewing
this for whatever Direction they may
provide uh thank you very much we
appreciate your comments uh is there
anyone else withstanding who would like
to speak to
this if I can just add one note since s
Jay mentioned the other neighbors who
aren't here they did tell me that they
had looked at solar but they had a slate
roof and you can't really do solar on
slate so I as far as I know in our
conversations they're not opposed to
this the neighbor of the Northwood is
concerned and I personally know him it's
important that we could not be here
because he had another engagement for
both Chris and I'm sorry Mr um I don't
know how to pronounce your name durage
sorry um we only can take testimony from
people who are actually here so this is
all heay so it it it if they want to
testimony they need if they want to
testify they need to be
here I'd like to um make a comment or
two um I I think some of us and maybe me
in specific uh was wondering when this
kind of situation would hit uh to where
we have a classic home and uh uh meeting
modern technology uh and trying to
figure out what's the best thing to do
uh
the city has
determined the city being the mayor and
the councel uh that
solar uh is a way of the future and
needs to be
incorporated uh into the fabric of our
community uh there were some guidelines
as to how that might occur the
application of that
guidelines um does not I believe the
legal side said does not give us the
right to forego the panels but rather
try to mitigate their impact on the
Aesthetics of the house um I'm in
agreement uh we we we fought for changes
to the code uh about geometry so that we
didn't fight you didn't have two
different geometries going on we've
talked about the colors uh that does
still remain uh an issue and uh this is
kind of where we are at uh and uh you
know coming up with a clear way of
moving forward with solar panners being
in my mind a slightly uh greater among
equals in terms of the materials we look
at so that that seems to be a mandate
from the city standpoint and so twofold
on this application regarding for me one
uh I do think given that solar panels
are are are approved in be
the idea of the porch and that lower
area to make things more discreet would
represent an improvement over being just
flat on all the South roofs uh and then
certainly the one in the back does have
a geometry issue but it is more hidden
so uh it's a tough one if they are
allowed and if they are to occur uh this
might be one of the better ways of
trying to hide them without them
disappearing all together which I do not
believe is a legal
option I I think that's really well put
and I I just want to clarify what
happened the last the last time the
application came by I don't want to
speak for the mayor but I was in I know
the history of this ordinance and city
council is all four solar panels um on
all sides of the house that the
compromise to controlling the Aesthetics
on front-facing facade odds was to have
the plan the architectural plan the
layout the design reviewed by the
architecture review board it was not to
say you can't have them so um I just
want to make sure the history of that
ordinance is is represented correctly
it's a work in progress we had a we had
a whole workshop with a solar panel
specialist at our last ARB workshop and
this to be honest was one of the
suggestions of a very um upgraded
creative way to lessen the obtrusiveness
on a front facade and to flatten out the
The View and to give a nice structure to
put the panels on that don't interfere
with the original
structure uh thank you uh are there Mr
chairman yes please I would like the uh
now that we've at least had time to
discuss the solar panels I would like to
Circle back around to the actual
structure being built and have the
architect um go through a little bit of
the design philosophy and how they feel
it's tying into the existing style of
the
home so you're posing that as a question
for the applicant yes sir thank
you um so uh once again
Seth the
project um you you can
see the uh Karen can you just go to the
pict page no the right PDF that you have
up of this page I think it'll help yeah
just because it's a closer picture
there's some detail which um page I just
just go to the first or second second or
third page right there okay I just
wanted to give you guys a better look at
the existing um just to talk through it
it's a Timber structure um a by8 Timber
structure both the columns and the beams
are you know 8 by 10 or so so
essentially what we're doing is
replicating that extruding out um the
current pitch of that roof is I think a
1212 pitch a one to one pitch um and
then the new pitch will be 2 to 12 um
coming out so the each each side of that
is that cedar shake that you see ideally
is going to be replicated in extruded
out to the new to the new sides and the
detail on the front of that will be very
much the exact same and they're going to
clad it with cedar um so it'll be
6x6 um pressure trade posts with clad
Cedar um that will basically be painted
the same color and mimic it almost
exactly and the the one other thing to
point out is those columns are brought
past the existing concrete Edge the
reason for this is I don't believe I can
bear structurally on top of the existing
concrete um so they come out and then
they are essentially the bases of those
would be hidden within the new
Landscaping that Chris put in recently
we'll just have to take out a few bushes
and kind of re relocate them in the
front there in between those posts it's
very much replicated um essentially just
a 2 and 12 Extrusion coming out and the
size is about 12 feet out and it's 20
feet
wide is the intent to match the the
rakes of the existing roofs that are
there now correct yes all sides yeah so
I'm really so there actually is not
there isn't much of an overhang on
either side um so that would be
duplicated essentially they would use
the I understand Chris had new gutters
put in and they're the historic gutters
per se best ways to put it that would be
brought out as
well so if you go back to the elevations
on the one on the left of the permit set
here and that's not that one that one
yeah these yeah so if you zoomed in
there you can see there not it's not
meant to be there's no really overhangs
at all it' be duplicated to what's
existing is the intent to remove the the
little the wood brackets that are there
now just simplify to be honest I didn't
draw on this one I just it was size was
weird I think they would be kept and I
think the question for Chris or maybe
you guys would be is do you want to have
those those same ones up on the new to
to really make it tie in historically
but I did not have them on this I'm
being honest I think I'd be interested
in in in exploring that and I think that
would be something you could work with
Karen on but I think I think that just a
little bit of detail like that and at
first I thought you were going very
modern like just very kind of monolithic
column and uh Timber look and I and I
was trying to get through that that's
why I've asked you to talk about it but
looking at that existing photo I think
just a little bit of that character ties
into helps that structure tie into the
existing building uh so I would I'm not
making any sort of a condition but I
think it's a a recommendation to look at
that I wouldn't want to do it if you do
it wrong it won't look good at all so it
has to be done right correct yeah but
the contractor about that adding that on
so yeah I would look it just gives a
little it just ties it together I think
gives a little bit more historic uh tie
into such a beautiful existing
home and just just to clarify the uh the
computer rendering shows uh white trim
on the sides the computer rendering and
the shake
don't I I'll I'll CL clarify you're
talking about the sketch sketch
rendering that that was an that was a
not an early sketch it's pretty accurate
in terms of what it is but it it was
hard to color that and I I think you
have to really look at these elevations
and that everything is meant to match
everything is going to be brown um and
match and tie in completely so so that's
the the the rendering we're seeing would
not be correct on the sides no no
correct okay it's a it's a sketch
rendering it's just you it's hard to to
get that really accurate in terms of
time and cost
for that's an existing copper Gutter and
down spout that's going across the face
of it again yeah it's yes it's it's
new Chris that exist existing gutter is
fairly new because they had the roof
redone fairly recently so it would be
the same we would just use that same
Gutter and bring it out and put it at
the new face so again idea is it's meant
to replicate that as close as possible
and you you know you're looking at the
difference between the woods when you're
up close you'll probably notice but far
away it's meant to tie in and blend in
like it was always
there is the new uh shed roof style roof
G to be shingle or is the intent at a
212
pitch I think Seth froze there but yes
it's going to be shingle and there was
some sort of frost proof thing migi they
talked about putting up there too yeah
shiggles are useless at 212 so uh you're
going to want to cover that with
something but I can't tell you
that uh members of the board any
additional questions or
comments uh hearing
none uh I would like Kathy whenever
you're ready to hear the five ings of
fact okay the findings effect fact and
decision of the board for application
ar-20 d71 for property located at 219
South
Columbia the board finds the proposed
addition of the open porch and solar
panel for the roof of the home are are
appropriate and should receive a
certificate of appropriateness as
submitted can you add please that um all
colors will match existing and the
brackets will be added I I think you
should but if you just want that to be a
condition that's fine but I think it
should be but the condition that all
colors match yes match the existing just
because it's not there on the drawings I
think we need to make sure it's
clarified um and trim
details trim DET I would say all colors
trim details match the existing that
leaves it open enough that if the
brackets can't really be replicated
it'll still match but I think you should
do the best you can to duplicate it
exactly like it is and and that will be
further reviewed going going forward
should this path when it's submitted for
construction
documents so I will include all colors
and trim details match
existing thank you uh members of the
board do you have any
additions or corrections to the findings
of
fact uh hearing none uh uh for the
applicants uh you've heard the findings
of fact uh do you agree to those as
those become part of this
application yes thank you uh I will I
will mention uh before we go to a vote
that uh I am compelled to
abstain uh because uh it appears that uh
others have been party to uh submission
uh information that uh I have not found
on the city website I have not found in
any correspondence and have not even
found in junk mail so uh I evidently
entered this dialogue uh uh with without
benefit of uh the full application so uh
I don't want to be punitive to any party
and therefore I will abstain so with
that uh may I have a motion to
approve so moved and a
second I'll second please call the
role uh Miss crosy yes Miss Tony yes Mr
Helman yes Mr Scott
yes and Mr will abstain
sotion thank you very much uh we
appreciate comments from all we know
that this is
difficult so with that let us move
forward we have yet one more application
uh that is application
b-20 d29 uh the applicant is Juliet
Bullock the owner Jud and Carly Dew the
address 476 North Park viiew uh and
Karen and Kathy whenever you're ready if
you would uh share the particulars of
that um Kathy do you want to start while
I on zoning while I uh clean up all this
because it's gonna take me a second yes
this application was before the board
previously and uh for a demolition of
the existing structure and replacement
with a new structure the previous
structure uh
proposed board members had concern
regarding frontloading garages and lo
location so the applicant has had tabled
the application at that time and has
returned with a new design addressing
some of the current concerns addressed
at the previous meeting and uh one of
those being that they now have a sid
load
garage however uh this the setback
varies along this street and placing
this even in the same location still
creates a variance B Bas on that fact
that it's still encroaching into the
average so they're simply seeking a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning based on the modified plans
that they've
resubmitted okay I'm going to pull up um
a bunch of drawings but then I'm also
going to pull
up these are the drawings that are
submitted that are on the website that
I'm assuming that you all have seen um
since then there have been additional
submittal
um let me get those over there
too of um and I have I've put together a
page of comparisons and I realized this
the first time that you are all seeing
these um and Julie is well well aware
that uh the design will not be approved
based on you seeing things for the first
time today what the AL let me start with
her ultimate goal um is herul ultimate
goal is that we can we can go ahead and
take this to Bap with this footprint and
ask for it to be remanded back to
architecture review board for final
design review um when I discussed this
with Julie that she did turn the garage
so that it is no longer a front-loaded
garage the client um and the app the uh
owner still wanted to keep kind of that
modern Farmhouse look so we talked
through the the problem with the windows
being kind of this mid-century modern
but the house being a different kind of
look and and anyway long story short
there's some there's a lot of redesign
of the primarily the windows I will set
I just got these either yesterday
afternoon or early this morning but I
did put them together in one sheet so
that you can see the difference in the
site plan which that's not new but the
difference in the window patterns I
think is pretty significant I think it
makes a big difference um and I'm going
to give it to Julie I don't know that
Julie's um going to be here I think it
might be can can anybody that's here to
testify on behalf of this case please
raise their hand so I can put you into
the pin list
great Aron which is new left or right on
your I'm sorry the new is right so these
are the these are the old window
patterns in the old um design and these
are
new there's also a lot of material
changes that have been made so I'm going
to let the applicant talk through those
and I just want to make it clear that um
when I talk to Julie today and I
actually don't know that it's Julie um
presenting tonight she had conflicting
meetings but I I was very clear that
what we would need is a back for final
design review and she she was fine with
that um so I gonna give it to I mean
it's the name on the screen is anab
bolock but I don't know if it's Julie or
if it's um if somebody wants to speak up
and introduce yourself um this is Julie
Bullock oh you're here okay and I'm GNA
have to leave in a few minutes my other
case is coming up but my husband David
bulock is here as well we're just using
my daughter's laptop so that's why it
says Anna Bullock thank you for that
clarification um did you want to add to
that yeah so we've we've um she we've
changed the the stone to brick um for
just a little bit more clean streamlined
look and it would be a painted brick and
we've adjusted the grids in the windows
as well um so that's the primary
difference when what was um done before
I mean what you saw on on the site or
you've reviewed I mean since the last
meeting we've made quite a f few
revisions you had asked us to you know
turn the garage um and do a side loader
garage we've done that um you suggested
we could move it up about 10 to 12 feet
we've moved it up um 10 ft to get that
um sidel loaded garage and we've created
driving court and we've eliminated a lot
of the paving that was in the front yard
from the original house so I think
that's a great Improvement um we've um
you had said you know there too many
materials and it needed to be more
cohesive so it's it's for the most part
stucco and painted brick and we've
eliminated kind of the dark light
contrast it's going to be similar in
tone as well um so and just really
trying to go more um not not necessarily
modern farmhouse she doesn't love that
aesthetic but the idea of more of a a
transitional um uh a transitional home I
think is more what we are going for with
the you know the black windows and the
the clean stucco looks fairly
streamlined was is the aesthetic really
my client is trying to get to so and I
actually I asked for Julie to put
together some I mean if we were in
person it would be a materials board but
um she sent me these these um samples
and here are some color renderings I
apologize I'm putting these were being
put together literally at 5 o'l by me
today so
um yeah after we got the feedback from
Karen we just wanted to kind of address
it um and like she said just hopefully
get a recommendation on the variances
knowing that we um and one of the other
things we'll need to provide is a
landscape plan so we're working on that
as well for the next meeting
so I what my
vide I don't know I guess guess open it
up for
questions members of the
board uh I'll jump in uh I don't have
any specific questions I think um I
appreciate the effort on the rotation of
the garage I think that's uh something
that I I'm I want to support because I
think it's it's better for the street
and the neighborhood uh and I appreciate
the effort on the house design I think
it's moved a lot uh a lot in the in the
right direction and the color pallets
are are nice and I think the windows
will be uh great so I don't have any uh
any negative to say I think it's moving
in the right direction so thank
you thank
you other comments questions from the
board uh I did participate as in this
review uh the first time um but
certainly what I see is uh is attractive
and seems well done so uh if this is the
next iteration uh it's it's uh it's
worked thank you this is Suzanne um I I
agree it's gotten much better from last
month uh is your intent to paint the
entire house one color or will the brick
be painted a different color than the
Stu out the brick will be painted a
different color the brick will be the
lightest and then the stucco is
um a cream color for lack of a better
term I think it's underneath it's on the
screen but it might be hidden right now
but so the image that you're showing
Julie of the wood like the wood slats
and stuff in that top image where is
that up here it is only between the
connector of the garage and the house
you know just as the garage pulls away
there I was thinking it might be
appropriate to wood there um it's also
on the front
door um and then um which you won't even
see in this picture but on the underside
of the back
porch so you know use sparingly but just
as a little bit of an accent you know to
signify something special so yeah I like
it and it could be a very nice garage
door also to add some more to it so yeah
I like that the slided wood I think it's
very pretty I agree with that I think
the garage door would be great with that
awesome one very minor issue uh which
we've seen in a couple cases with a with
a garage configured like this is to make
sure you got a really good place for the
trash cans um we've seen other areas to
where they kind of migrate and they end
up being a part of an entry
feature oh that's a great
idea thank you all right I'm I'm gonna
let my husband take over here because
I'm up on my other one but if he has any
if you have any other
questions thank you uh with that is
there anyone with standing who has
raised their hand to
speak hearing none uh let me return to
the board with any any final questions
or
comments and hearing none may I have the
findings of fact so just to clarify
Kathy before you read them um are
we are does the board wish to have this
remanded back or are you happy enough
with the design it no matter what it has
to be conditioned upon a final landscape
plan being reviewed by um the landscape
architect say that be remanded back if
there are substantive
changes no what I'm asking is if there I
if there are no sub changes
right the only thing that I would say
Karen is that
um because of some of the other things
that we've had on uh tear downs and new
builds I I would like you and I'm sure
the city has their list now of things
that we want to check to make sure that
um things get done appropriately but
also on other new builds we all we
almost always have had some kind of a
rendering of the whole thing and how it
sits you know kind of in the
neighborhood and all that if if they're
doing that I would love to see that
before it gets final approval but yeah
we actually went through that exercise
last time and it was almost impossible
to draw that street skate because of the
way the street Julie oh she's not there
anymore
um elevation changes uh setbacks
are they ended up looking just photos
without being able to tell
much oh because the street sits down
soow compar exactly
yeah if and just to reiterate a
landscape plan would uh will need to be
prepared and submitted to the tree and
public gardens commission absolutely yep
correct my my my my position would be
that you know Karen you continue to work
with the applicant as you feels fit I
think my only comment of to would were
two actually would be that U coming off
of Mrs Tony's garage door comment about
maybe looking at that as matching some
of that wood I think would be uh would
be a nice upgrade to the garage door and
then the flat roof over the front entry
uh you know there's a asymmetrical issue
going on and and maybe I would draw to a
haveit where it would be even on both
sides but I I get uh maybe there's a
reason because of the way the the stoop
is working below but just to you know to
make sure that's working exactly as as
it needs to but I'm okay with the actual
you know suspended flat pain a little
bit it modernizes that a little bit but
I'm I'm fine with the uh design
consultant working with the applicant
with any final any final
items yeah and I'm I'm neutral I I just
wanted to clarify because um there seems
to be om overwhelming support so I just
wanted to see just for everyone's
interest to make sure whether it's
necessary or not to come back that's all
and uh I I am uh very comfortable with
this not coming back barring any
substantive changes but one issue of
great sensitivity to this board and to
the city uh is Building height uh and uh
I it's not easy for me to see at the the
scale I'm looking at it on screen but I
believe that we have Ridge heights
called out on that uh but I would simply
ask that the city uh be
uh that that
City uh code enforcement be very very uh
strident in making certain that the
ridge height as built is the Bridge
height as approved yes that will be um
we of course like everyone in the world
lives anecdotally and we will now be
doing that every single time build no
matter what one more comment Mr chairman
the rendering that you were zoomed in I
just noticed something thing that I
hadn't noticed before uh the gables on
the brick have a dark rake trim where
the rest of the gables on the house that
look like they're white um I'm assuming
that's because of the brick painted
brick detail potentially but I want to
I'm not sure I'm totally sold on that so
something that to for a design
consultant to work with the owner on
okay which is you that's me I'm that
thank you
thank you so uh I I believe that we have
heard the findings of fact uh and that
we are now uh commenting on the findings
of fact have I heard anything from the
board uh that uh has any additions or
corrections to the findings
effect yeah Mr chairman looking at that
front facade uh the is that a roof
hanging over the door it seems it seems
out of alignment with the upper windows
and the door assembly I just noticed
that is that intentional or um it it
looks like that would be awkward to look
at over a long period of
time I'm assuming that's a suspended
roof Tung down with
cables we can presume Mr Bullock do you
have a comment on that for Mr
Helman uh this is my first day of seeing
this job so no I do not
I can clarify that with Julie when I
speak to her we just we got kind of just
had this discussion I think Mr Scott
brought it up and I think it's one of
two things it's either it might just be
matching the the porch Below in
footprint that would be my gu okay thank
you Mr Helman does that address your
question for now it it does I I I I say
that for the owners because uh that
might get tiring to look at for
everybody would kind of wonder why is
that offc
Center I can definitely bring that up to
Julie or D yeah I'll speak that to her
and she she Julie just uh poked her head
in and wanted to make sure that we all
uh vote on the variances
today uh that is December 2nd
right so get get the approval for the
voting I I'm sorry I don't the right
words that's okay we're gonna what we're
doing is voting on a recommendation of
approve of the certificate of
appropriateness to the board of zoning
and planning so it will go on and this
this board does not uh does not vote on
variances so again let me return to the
board uh for any additions or
Corrections am I correct that I hear
none so hearing none uh turning that
that back to uh Mr Bullock uh you've
heard the findings of fact uh do you
agree with those as they become part of
this application I do thank you uh I
don't think I've read the findings of
fact I think we I'm sorry I guess I got
ahead of you then so and and the the
only conditions that I'm looking to add
are subject to zoning approval and a
landscape plan being submitted for
review and approval
is that
correct along with final design details
being reviewed by by the design
consultant yeah and Kathy I'm sorry I
thought you had covered that so again uh
we we've we've covered that uh members
of the board again do you have any
additions or
Corrections hearing none may I have a
motion to
approve so move and a second
please call the
role uh Miss Tony yes Mr
hman yes Miss
crossy yes Mr Scott yes chairman
Birdwell yeah yes uh your application is
now uh sent uh with recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning thank
you very much so with that uh I'm
showing that that is that concludes our
new business uh is there anything
additional other than to announce our uh
planning workshop which would be uh I
believe one week hence if I'm not
mistaken yes and I'll send out the
reminder tomorrow I can't I can't
remember it off the top of my head um if
anybody else
but let me look on my
calendar and
I also just wanted to take a second to
thank Joselyn who pulled those drawings
up for me it's been a really difficult
couple weeks and if you remember we sent
everything out very as early as we could
through Dropbox just so that all you
could see it and I apologize if
somebody's not familiar with Dropbox or
doesn't know how to you know or their
computer was I know Larry you're having
trouble reading it um but we really did
make every effort and did send
everything out to everybody
it's it just was the fastest way to get
everything out as soon as we possibly
can because it's it's quite a process to
upload everything that we put in Dropbox
to the city's website and knowing that
Cathy was out and we were limited that's
why we sent you the link to
Dropbox i i a question uh while we're is
it once City Hall reopens or in some
limited way uh is there the ability to
come into uh and maybe there's a folder
that has all of the actual drawings or
the smaller drawings uh that we could
actually come and physically look at uh
that would be a blessing for me if I
could do
that I don't always get hard copies but
if there's ever any particular one that
you really want to view I'm more than
happy to print them and make them
available we can always print them out
for you if you don't have the ability to
do that that's fine we're happy to do
that well even if there were even if
there were a printed out set available
at City Hall you don't have to send them
out just something that if there's a
question about something that you know
could take a take a good hard look at
maybe maybe I could borrow a copy and
they'll go drive the site and look at it
just to clarify nobody hands in paper
drawings anymore it's all submitted
electronically so um I I whoa sorry I
completely hear what you're saying and I
don't disagree I agree with you but we
still would have to print them out so
we're happy to print them out and have
you pick them up or or come look at them
but um we don't get sub
mitts on paper for this no understood
but I'm just saying with would it be a
huge imposition to have a a set that is
hard copy so that if somebody wants to
borrow it take it out and look at it P
you know and have it in their hand maybe
I'm the only one I'm a
throwback the problem is that it changes
so as soon as they print it you know
then they send something new in and you
know like this stuff that that we got
this last minute here that that we're
looking at for Julie stuff you know this
wasn't in this sub middle earlier in the
week and yet we take a look at it and we
we approve it so I just feel like it's a
world where stuff comes so quickly you
know it
does and I'm afraid I'm afraid that
somebody would print it out for you
Larry and by the time you picked it up
and went and looked at it when you got
to the meaning it'd be a different thing
anyway so
it would be but at least I would known
what the original looked like and then
we better understand the changes yeah I
don't see why that's a problem once City
Hall opens but in the meantime I don't
know that I think we can talk about how
to do this and you know in a dream world
the vaccine comes back comes into play
and we can um get back to normal out on
the front how we would love to have
drawings in the building for you to come
see we'll be happy to do that
yeah hey Larry I Larry I have a question
for you and you sit on this on these
meetings do you have a second screen
that you're pulling up that you're on
granicus and pulling it up and being
able to scroll through and zoom in and
all that while
you're
no because that's the only thing that
saves me if you see me looking down it's
because I'm pulling it up on my phone
and I am zooming in and looking for the
at the notes and all that while people
are talking about it because you know
like I like I said something about the
flat roof and then as soon as Pete said
that facade went all the way across I
zoom in and I'm like oh my God he's
right there's no line there so being
able to have a second screen that you
can get on granicus could be a lifesaver
for you that you can you know that you
can actually look at things like we used
to that that's a very good point and
that's something we can talk about in
our uh in our uh Workshop next week is
is how we View this because Larry you
rais a very good point Suzanne uh your
process is is uh almost precisely what
mine is although I'm speaking to you on
my iPhone and I'm looking at the larger
screen on my laptop for the drawings but
uh to your point it does require two
screens yeah uh it's just not possible
to follow what is projected and be able
to read
it iPads are great yeah
yeah multiple iPads yeah I mean I'm
actually using two screens to manage
this meeting and I have a third one too
with my
iPad a fourth one
here uh so with with that any any
additional business other than uh Karen
did you did you find our prospective
meeting um yes we are doing hold
on um next
Wednesday uh November
18th had the most
votes okay and I believe that um Joanne
was the only one that couldn't come from
noon to one from noon to one I I'm glad
you mentioned that because I don't have
that on my calendar so um I was going to
send it out today but is there a problem
with anyone were the answers those were
my doodle poll um options with the
exception of Joanne that's what
everybody could
do if it's not that way we I can send
out a different one but this is noon to
1 pm on the 18th on the 18th if if you
all would like me to I can you know
don't forget we don't have a meeting in
December we could push this back a week
it's been kind of crazy so we can push
this back to doing it the first week in
December I I'm I'm all in favor of doing
it while everything is fresh in our
Collective mind so if that works for
folks that's good okay it does I think
that the thing that understand is
schedules fill up pretty fast a week
before so if we have a a resolution we
should try to send out an invite
immediately so that absolutely we can
all get it on our calendar yep and the
Wednesday before Thanksgiving is that
next week next Wednesday yeah next
Wednesday you got it oh my gosh I better
buy a turkey
what you been doing last two weeks
Wednesday before Thanksgiving there's
one more Thanksgiving has been
cancelled oh
God yeah and I apologize I'm usually I
mean you guys know I'm pretty good about
getting those doodle things on the
calendar it I I admit turn's been a big
help we're overwhelmed right now
sorry but we get a break because it's
December so we don't meet this month so
hopefully we'll catch up
uh I think done a great job because of
the difficulties of this 18 cases the
coordination of that uh this went this
went very well I think you both deserve
congratulations
yeah kudos to all yeah that winnowing
that down from 17 or more to to five was
uh was a fat comp was a a a very
successful effort so uh with that
anything else uh for the good of the cop
I am sending out a reminder right now
for Wednesday thank you and Suzanne next
time tag you're it yes we have a new
chair welcome all righty congratulations
yay I'll start working on my intro
now so wish everyone shoes to fill Peter
big shoes to fill um well uh you'll
you'll do it well and uh so Suzanne best
of luck starting in January uh Kathy we
wish you a full and Swift recovery and
Karen thanks for all your hard work in
in recent days thank you very much
everyone have a weekend