Foster here here and fun here says
everyone tense here she was strong here
they wave I'm not here on Celeste
Williams here Jim Wilson is not here
here I'm uh artillery very common yeah
I do all right and then
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interests
Unfortunately they decided that I mean
through the minutes of in 1923 as a
female
um
to give us a quick uh piece of no two
pieces of good news the Bexley Community
Gardens were recently awarded a fifteen
hundred dollar Grant from the little
Garden Club of Columbus which will be
used to fund um uh new giving Gardens
for both the North and South at some
point and in addition we were the
recipient recipient receipt I can't say
a recipient of a grant from the page in
my crane fund for our new to start
Memorial Day uh Children's Garden
um educational program to be led by uh
Bexley resident Susan Cowden
and
um I'm not sure the exact number
anywhere from two to six hundred people
will be on buses on uh Wednesday next
Wednesday the 24th touring Heritage
Gardens up the road and cruising the
streets of Bexley so yes yeah it's so
the Garden Club of America is having
their National Convention in Columbus
and many of their activities are in
Bexley including a dinner at celeste's
home and tours of gardens in session
Village Barb Killers being one and
um some formal tours of informal Gardens
at the governor's residence so I think
we should be very very excited about the
notoriety and the beauty of our
community
so
so I also want to mention Mary and I
were talking about when was the first
date and time that Bexley considered
Community Gardens and I looked back in
my minutes it was November 1st 2006 just
in case you're interested so we've come
a long way in 16 years
um I'm going to just a quick update on
the Arbor Day week month celebrations
that we've had
beginning I think on April 4th or April
5th the committee met on Monday and
declared all the events of success
declared committee a success and we did
find that there are a few little uh
uplifts that we will try to improve for
next year one is a a better
communication plan and an integration of
more events so those will be our goals
for the coming year and we're also very
proud that we undersent our grant from
the Bexley Community Foundation so that
could be a first
Barb do you have any update on the
Bexley
in bloom
a little more money than we had left
here at this time we have fewer donors
but larger larger larger checks okay
well that's that's not a bad way to go
out though we do like you know quantity
too
okay
and then you have big news about the
tree plaques for the landmark tree
Sheila
we have good news they are on the trees
we appreciate the city and their
cooperation with us to make this happen
we're very excited about that and
looking forward to 2024.
um we'll be a little bit more ahead of
the game I think we were pretty good
this year but we'll even be better next
year
and I want to thank Sheila again for
um underwriting the drone images of the
landmark trees in their winter dress and
their spring dress and now we're halfway
to summer and fall dress yes all true
any other announcements or small
victories
okay then we're going to go on to
requests from residents are there any
requests from residents
if not mayor Kessler will go on to your
report
thank you madam chair
I am reporting on these things uh Mark
schieber has joined our code enforcement
team
um he had an initial
uh orientation I believe last week two
weeks ago
um right that's what I mean when you met
with him and did you guys do yeah you
want to talk about what you guys did yes
so um Mark schieber is joining us to
help with the review of the commercial
uh landscape installations as well as
the review of the new build uh landscape
installations that have been installed
so um I met with him and kind of the
chart that we had kind of developed we
actually made a couple of tweaks to it
and even more so kind of split it up
into residential and Commercial so we
can have a better um look at that we're
going to add some more information I'll
share that with everyone next week but
we drove around the city and just in
terms of what you know we're hoping that
he will be doing and accomplishing
um and one of the the big things is
really helping with code enforcement for
the commercial properties in terms of
looking at the commercial properties
understanding what was the original
landscape plan what is what was supposed
to be installed if it's still there or
not and then reporting back to Dave
herdlicka who can then give them a
notice and say hey you know this is out
of violation
um and so he is going to be
um working on that and kind of helping
us out with that so hopefully we'll be
able to you know start taking those
things off of our list because it's been
on my to-do list I think for three years
and um better than November 1st 2006.
yeah exactly it'll be nice to get some
movement on that right and has he
started yet mayor
started on doing the inspection right
right
uh that I I am I will have to check with
him um I met with him right before I
left out of town last week and kind of
gave him his kind of marching orders
okay here let's do this and so I'll
follow up with him and see if he's you
know to kind of start but I you know we
basically said release the hounds and go
go for it okay well I haven't seen any
hounds but hopefully we will so uh mayor
Kessler do you want to continue uh yes
thank you so um we had a front yard
Corner Lots meeting group on May 3rd
um and
I have been I identifying the universe
of issues I'm trying to
try to find my document my my
notes from that which are not readily
available for some reason but um talking
through the multiple issues with front
yards core Lots Larry Hellman produced
some compelling visuals to assist the
the group which was really great
um and I think we have a follow-up
meeting coming up June in June there we
go thank you Larry you should just give
this update but it was uh it was a good
meeting I think um some some uh
assignments were put out for different
members to do some research and come
back with some uh some additional
thoughts and feedback I think uh a lot
of the work is focusing on sort of
what's what what defines the structure
uh do we want them in our front yards
you know and then also how do we treat
Corner Lots with more nuance and I would
say the word sensitivities in my head
but it's not probably not what you guys
think Nuance in terms of like what is
actually a corner lot what's the front
here with the side yard we know what a
Cornell is what's the front yard what's
the side yard and how do we treat them
in a way that's fair to the owners of
those properties uh that is contextually
appropriate for the properties and it
also honors the uh sort of the common
park space that is our front yards and
our right-of-ways
um
and Main Street guidelines updates
frankly
I need somebody who just be like I'm in
charge of this let's do it Larry I've uh
nominate you
um so we haven't we haven't made
progress on that you know um mayor just
as a suggestion to move the ball down
the field I think I mentioned before
Mark schieber and Molly O'Donnell were
incredibly competent chairs in 2002 when
these are done the first time and
perhaps with Mark in a staff role now
that might could be assigned to him
uh he knows how to do it and now he
could be paid to do it so it's just an
idea
thank you yes I'd be happy glad to help
somebody but my day of taking on
something that major might slide away
here but they uh I I would like to say
this
um
it took a while to do the architecture
review standards for
our residential areas and in the in the
nature of that we defined uh a whole
series of neighborhoods which is in
effect how the Bexley Bexley is an
effective community of neighborhoods and
they're they're distinctive
characteristics for many of those
neighborhoods which then are picked up
in the standards and I guess when you
hear this for the first time today uh
given where we're at now we probably
should start to seriously consider East
Main Street as a residential
neighborhood as well obviously it's
mixed use uh all of our standards to
date have really dealt with the
presumption of its staying commercial
and in fact the initial design
guidelines when they were put together
kind of emulated like Uptown Westerville
you know it had been managed two-story
and three-story retail buildings and
kind of like there was some rhythm of
that and we've got a way out a lot of
one-story buildings uh and then we've
got tall residential buildings well
there you go
um so however we move forward on those
guide headlines in whichever Board needs
to be assigned with it
we need to pick up that Nuance because
we have a lot of potential residential
still coming in seminary Apartments the
other half a Gateway
um whatever happens on some of these
other vacant pieces that are up and down
the street it'll become either
increasingly desirable context for
something that really was not
anticipated at all and the design
guidelines not at all higher story
buildings residential more people
because residential speaks to more
pedestrian
friendly settings things that make uh
you know the things that really make a
neighborhood work so that's just a
little bit of a some speech but uh I I
would work with somebody but to take on
the responsibility that I think is uh
it's just not what I think I I'm going
to be capable of doing as old as I am as
much as going along I appreciate that
and it was actually I I wasn't joking
because I'm serious I meant that but I
didn't really assume that we were going
to say yes to that
um what I am what what a next step is is
I want to put together a meeting with if
Larry would allow you to be part of it
because you've had such uh
uh spiritual and thought leadership in
this
um and then Molly if you could be part
of that and Elena again initial meeting
Molly Elena Karen Boker and myself just
and Susan you're welcome to join just to
talk about process because it's a joint
ARB bees that tree commission sort of
thing
um and so I want to get the framework
for how we're going to do it and how
we're going to launch it we do have
budget for it it's just a function of
like it's Bonkers here right now what
the amount of stuff that's going on so
it's just like getting the time and once
we get the once we get the process
rolling we can start we can start
rocking and rolling so you think there's
a possibility of getting some younger
folks on this so I do there's a lot of a
lot of people are there a lot of younger
folks here
I would quite frankly want this group to
be existing board commission members
that are playing in the space right now
and are familiar with what works and
doesn't work largely but then also some
outside input would be great so but we
that's what I want to talk to you guys
about like just get get a scout and put
together so we can get it moving
um
Arboretum website updates and
improvements have been scarce because uh
Spencer who's working on that is
weighted on his laptop which is has a
ship date due to arrive June 9th now so
good work yeah good yeah right that only
took us like a month to order laptop
well it's um better than the last time
we met yeah that's true progress rapid
updated daily
um it's not on here other is though no
does that mean the other the other Parks
update we are moving forward with many
of our projects already we had a uh Pond
groundbreaking at Commonwealth
um I haven't been back to see if it's
Excavating this started
uh Monday will be excavation uh we're
going to be laying out the pond tomorrow
and Friday so we'll have to meet out
there and make sure it's what we want
okay and then um we'll start digging it
on Monday yep so if you want to walk
Commonwealth you'll get a good feel even
today
the fencing is in place to to get a feel
for the size of the pond it's roughly
like the size of a
an average uh residential lot in Bexley
just in terms of just to help you kind
of quantify that in your head how large
it is
um I know average is a tough let's
define that a little bit better 60 feet
wide by 120 feet deep so like a sort of
a central Bexley uh north of fair kind
of a lot ish
um well it ranged from like just sort of
walking along 18 inches in depth to uh
55 feet 55 to 60 feet at the deepest
yeah we're hoping to get the Loch Ness
monster we're looking for some Inland
salmon now
uh I think it's all seriousness I think
the size of this room when you count the
ceilings
this is about 60 by uh
it feels bigger than that when you're on
site doesn't it I think it's bigger than
this room yeah it's a little bigger than
this room and it's also
um
the shape is a blob so think of it more
of like a peanut shape that's pinched in
the center so it's not like a rectangle
more natural I I would if anybody walks
it I would like you to not
um be too concerned I hope about how
close it comes to some big folks Grant
do you want to talk about how you're
going to protect those with the
excavation that's why I'm here oh yeah
right now we have uh fencing around them
uh we haven't marked 20 feet out and
then a mark from 25 feet out from the
trunk of the tree which puts us roughly
right at the drip line
and that's a very shallow part of the
pond so the deeper we get the further
away from those trees we get are you
going to have to do any root printing uh
we'll see when he starts excavation okay
if that's the case then yes and that's
Spencer will be there every day making
sure
something's not going wrong with it well
mayor that was a topic that brought a
lot of what introduce the bank itself
it's a natural
it's natural stone like large chunks of
stone that will be built up around the
edge we might have a small lip right at
the edge but then basically it'll kind
of stair step down and then the base
will be a natural stone as well we we
did that Schiller it didn't hold up so
great but it was because of a lot of
dogs now maybe there's more control
because you have dogs on leash and
they're not allowed no dogs are alive
that's the issue with dogs so it doesn't
happen those are big these are Big Stuff
they're yeah each stone is a few hundred
pounds yeah that's we've had that too we
had a lot of people fishing and a lot of
dogs okay so it turned to Mud pretty
quickly
or supervise will there be a fountain
there is a pump um and so there's not
going to be a fountain that you actually
see but there's going to be a pump that
we are we have a certain you know
basically kind of RPM of water movement
throughout it and the intent is that um
it'll the leaves leaves aren't going to
sit there they're going to go and be in
a catch Basin so that we can continue to
try to keep the pond as clean as
possible okay
that's real nerdy about his spots but
um
uh then also our dog speaking of dogs
our dog park grand opening is we think
June 11th not off the press sometime in
the afternoon finalize that still is it
with dogs
bring your dogs
just asking please hope hopefully
they're well-behaved dogs we don't want
a disaster on our first day but um so
that's happening and then I think
um we'll be welcoming the grand the
grand opening of paperwood Park will be
at our Memorial Day jazz in the park on
May 29th
um the grand reopening of Havenwood
refresh
and that's what do we have any other
ground breakings happening
uh the following Follies might will be
probably next Maybe
in a couple months
not yet probably not before the next
three commission made okay you're on the
blast okay you're talking about
questions for mayor the mayor we uh the
mayor and I have chatted and we're uh
although he could talk to us probably
all day about the projects that he's
doing that we don't know about we're
going to try and keep more focused on
the green spaces and the parks and the
trees
um even though the festivals and what's
happening in the parking lot library of
interesting we're going to try and hone
ourselves in pull ourselves in
newsletter will be hitting your mailbox
and knock your socks off there's so much
stuff in it so you'll get it all there I
just have a question since I haven't
heard been out has there been a decision
about what's happening with the
apartments
no so Capital
um Capital received all their rfps I
believe they're negotiating with the
final
potential developer but I wouldn't say
it's a decision yet as far as I know but
more to come and the first thing out of
my mouth when we meet with them will be
landscape plan tree commission save
those trees that's right you know well
yeah we've learned a lot of things about
you know how to be agitators now through
social media that we're all so equipped
to do yes yes Miss fiebel mayor Kessler
have you had any
um
conversation slash complaints from
Neighbors in
my part of the Arboretum about
um
street closures because of the pond
being put together
not that I'm aware of okay so we have
yeah just send me to them I'll discuss
it with them
it's just yeah I'm not sure I'm sure
it's just one section of Commonwealth
North yes I know yeah
but uh was concerned yeah and I'm happy
to go speak to whoever I'm sure you are
and I haven't heard yet but I'll let you
know if you do thank you
other questions trees green space
public areas for the mayor
oh mayor you're getting off flight late
today yeah yeah so
that's great thank you
all right so if there's uh nothing else
for the mayor we're going to go on to
our review of landscape applications and
for those of you here presenting we have
some general what we call Rules of
Engagement the man who usually reads
these took has them on his laptop he
happens to be in New York at the moment
but I can remember some of them so I'm
just going to review them
so um all of our meetings are videotaped
so anybody can watch them any place in
the world at any time because they're
free and so we just are mindful that our
comments can be broadcast worldwide uh
if um if we have some comments about
commissions from either the presenters
we do not comment on their decisions or
their reports our comments are purely on
what you know we're charged as doing
which is reviewing landscape plans if we
become a little heated or over excited
about our comments we'll take an
intermission of 10 minutes and get
ourselves back together and then come in
and discuss some more we have an order
of uh of presentation so that our that
our presentation sort of dovetails with
ARB and bzap Eleanor will present then
um we'll ask for a presentation they
will take questions from the tree and
public gardens commission then we'll ask
the African to sit we'll discuss if we
need to we'll ask you to come back up
and then we'll move towards some sort of
motion so if there aren't any questions
we're going to be reviewing first 202
South Columbia Nate Samson B Hall
Sampson and Dietz is here I don't think
I need to recuse myself your father did
help me with the project 30 years ago
which is still very valid and beautiful
I think
um and so we will go forward this
application has several different topic
areas that I'll let Miss Andrews address
and we'll see if we can address two of
them and then get to the landscape
application part so I wanna excellent
all right so we are talking about
um tpgr 23-2 it is a new build at South
Columbia Avenue and
um
I want to so
this has a lot of different moving Parts
where I will try to be as kind of
succinct as I can without everything
um but it is this is a new build
um that is on a vacant lot that is
directly south of 216 South Columbia
there's a pool house and a pool that is
at the rear or the East End of the lot
that is going to remain
um and that there's going to be a new
house that is constructed that is going
to share a central driveway now the um
the house the architecture was approved
right around the holidays or so and um
it was approved on the condition that as
a new build that a landscape plan be
submitted to the tree Commission
so the landscape plan so we have Nate
Sampson with B Hall Sampson Dietz here
with us today they are The Architects
for the project
um and so they relayed that information
to the owner and they hired a separate
firm Roger Seeley uh Seeley landscape to
do the landscape plan
um it was not until so they submitted a
building permit and then they met on
site with Grant to discuss construction
access and Grant let them know that we
weren't able to start construction
because there was not an approved
landscape plan
The Architects thought that there had
been because it was in it was hired
separately from them so the landscape
architect Is Not underneath the hall
stamps indeeds two different entities so
they are then
um things were then kind of somewhat put
on hold there are two trees in question
that there was a question for removal
and it was noted that the the two trees
could not be removed landscape can't
trees and shrubs can't be removed prior
to the start of construction if the tree
commission hasn't reviewed it it then
came back to the city and the city said
well we can start construction but the
construction access needed to change and
the two trees could not be removed now a
portion of shrub was removed for Access
for that and so that's something that we
can kind of discuss on it had been
removed previously when the pool house
was done almost with the assumption that
it was going to come back at some point
that's not at this point indicated on
the drawings and so we can discuss that
um and so I think that what we wanted to
discuss today is um it's almost twofold
the two trees that need to be removed
one is a failing Tree on on the private
property and one is a street tree in the
right-of-way
the um Street tree let me see
and I have I'm kind of bouncing around a
little bit so let me just
this was they had done a um
they have been working with alumin Arbor
to look at all of the trees on site and
assess the house and they're trying to
preserve as many of them as possible and
we'll get to that in the site plan the
two that are in question one is a 19
inch diameter Linden that is in Decline
um it has poor structure from a previous
lightning strike and so it was something
that element Arbor is saying that needs
to be removed the other is a nine inch
diameter red maple that is actually in
the right of way and that is actually
right on top of the sewer line
connection for the new house right and
so that's something that needs to be
removed almost kind of regardless of you
know what's happening just in order to
access the construction for that site so
those two trees are are one of the the
main kind of topics that we would like
to discuss today there's also a
landscape plan that we would like to
review but what my suggestion is today
is that we review the landscape plan
almost as a informational item and table
the approval of the landscape plan and
flush out some of the questions in the
the details until next month but the two
trees are really what is kind of pushing
the construction access because in terms
of being able to dig and do the
utilities prior to the start of
construction so that's one of the things
really that we want to kind of talk
about today there have been obviously
there are concerns I think on everyone's
part in terms of where was the ball kind
of dropped in terms of you know why was
the plan approved last year and then
it's now coming to us in May for the for
the tree commission and I think it was
you know a genuine you know kind of
oversight in terms of the new landscape
our designer did not know that we needed
to do this and it was a little bit of
like okay well I just assumed
um and I know that the owners have
expressed a strong desire to to have a
beautiful landscape they want to do
everything that they can
to kind of address the the new landscape
and kind of get our input from it so um
there's a little bit of a um they
understand that this has been kind of a
frustrating process for us and I think
internally we're also trying to work on
where can we make sure that you know as
the tree Commissioners this comes back
that you know we're able to review these
things and if there are
issues of you know trees that need to
come down that the tree commission is
made aware of it in some way and it's
not just you know
just you know they're gone just gone
sorry trees the trees haven't been
removed yet one was somewhat pruned
um and I think that there was a concern
of that one for you know kind of
construction access but again the one
has a lightning struck and the other one
is just on top of a sewer line so
there's a little bit of that but we're
trying to follow the the proper
procedure as it goes through
um so this was the email that you see on
here this is um from Allen Arbor in
terms of their their comments on that
and I see when that was dated please oh
that was dated uh today
right so they had a they had previously
done that and so I said listen I would
prefer to have something from the
arborist to let us know that was
happening
um I don't know and Nate would have to
you know let me know if there was an
actual kind of a formal report I know
that they've been working with them and
they've been on site
um but just so that you know it isn't
something that is just you know they're
like oh the tree looks bad you know
they've actually had an arborist come
and look at that and it has been
something that has been discussed this
is a separate topic but whether or not
an arborist report on tree removals
needs to be part of what the
requirements are for the new builds it
used to be that you know many years ago
and it's something that you know do we
need to reinstate that in terms of the
rules of the new builds
um in terms of the plans this is the
this is an existing plan so this is the
driveway here that is the existing
driveway
there's the pool house here with the
pool
um and then the trees that they are
discussing removing this is the 19-inch
Linden and this is the red maple that is
within the city right of way between
this column and this column is a row of
hicks taxes and there's a they have a
temporary construction access coming in
between these trees right now and to
um facilitate that there's a portion of
the shrubs that have been removed and
one of the recommendations is is to note
that you know the tree those shrubs need
to be replaced at the same size to just
to maintain that um to maintain that
area it's not actually noted on the
landscape plan
um
the next item to just review is they do
have a tree protection plan in terms of
protecting the existing City trees as
well as this large tree that is in this
back corner here from the gray area that
you see this is construction basically
access and lay down area and then this
is going to be kind of a future driveway
access back in through here the red
lines that you see are fence lines that
they want to make sure that they're
protecting all of the existing plant
material that is around the perimeter of
the property
the landscape plan the landscape plan
as you can see here is it's a
combination of boxwoods and hydrangeas
it is a very
um
Simple Plan of kind of like layering of
Hedges that is somewhat in keeping with
a property that is to the south of it in
terms of kind of like more of a like of
a French inspired kind of motif it's not
necessarily like English cottage gardeny
um and there are a handful of new
flowering dogwoods that are around
Korean spice viburnum the they're trying
to maintain as much of the existing
Shrubbery around the perimeter of the
property as well as everything that is
you know back around the pool house and
there is primarily new landscape that is
around the back of the area here as well
as the front in the area in this
location you'll see that on this
landscape plan they noted that this
Linden needs to be removed and they are
recommending that a you know a different
tree be be there and I think one of the
points that we would like to talk about
today is if the tree commission so
decides to approve the removal of these
are there recommendations that we want
to have them look look at as either a
condition of approval or for them to
come back and kind of modify this and I
think understanding if we want to have
some larger shade trees that are
replacing this Linden come back is
certainly something that you know I know
that the applicant is willing to
entertain
with the elevations you can see
um a row a Hedgerow of boxwoods with
hydrangeas and different flowering
shrubs behind it with the pure metal
kind of Green Mountain boxwoods
flowering trees flanking either side
it's a very symmetrical house one of the
thoughts are you know are there larger
shade trees that are in that front lawn
that could flank you know either side of
that entry point and kind of bring back
a little bit more of
um kind of the canopy that we're going
to be losing from the loss of that tree
and then looking at the rear property as
well with the landscape and the trees in
in those areas and this is just
representative of the existing
um I think I believe it's a row of green
giants that are in between the
properties that they are basically
maintaining and so there's not really
much room to put between that Evergreen
line as well as a house and that's why
you don't see much of the landscape in
that area
um I think
existing photos
um these were the two columns this is
the taxes hedge that I was discussing in
terms of coming through here and that's
the center portion that has been um kind
of removed
going in through here you can't quite
see it that is the 19 inch that they're
looking at kind of removing that is the
the pool how or that's the Evergreen
screen in between
that is to the north of the property
same side North property line
starting to turn around and go into the
pool Zone here the pool house all of
that material is stained that is the
front of the pool house none of this
material is changing
this is the tree that they're looking to
protect for the new driveway to come
around that's important they really want
to keep that tree
same tree different View
I think that that's it
so with that kind of overview
um I will invite Nate Sampson to come up
and if you could introduce oh let me
give you a microphone
and so Nate if you could introduce
yourself
and then
um I think that the the tree commission
would be
um we would love to hear from you in
terms of you know kind of where the the
breakdown of communication was in terms
of where why we're just now seeing the
landscape plan and um what your thoughts
might be in terms of if you probably
could explain a little better than I can
why those two trees need to come down
for construction reasons and um and then
we can kind of go from there thank you
um so my name is Nate Sampson I was the
architect for this project
um and uh this is a new arena for me
but there's some familiar faces here and
I think in part of this uh process being
new to us for a new house the landscape
review you know uh process that we're
going through we're learning a lot
um and at the same time realizing that
um that we're certainly out of sequence
at this point I apologize for that I
think what we're trying to do now is get
the
um this commission's input on how best
to move forward and certainly
um I'm here to facilitate and move this
project forward because I think you'll
be seeing me again on this front uh just
to help move things along
um
so a little bit of uh
history to this you know we received the
architectural uh you know ARB approval
for this project with the condition of
an approved landscape plan
um in talking with City staff uh last
year uh going into the holidays and even
beginning of this year
understanding and clarifying that
process uh that information was passed
on to the owners who hired their own
landscape architect uh to start to
develop a landscape plan for review by
this commission so
um we went out
um when we were sort of getting ready to
begin the project met Grant on site
thank you for coming out
um to take a look at initially it was
the um Street tree that is located
directly over our sewer connection and
this happened through mapping of where
our utilities were you know through the
permitting process found out it was
right there
um so with the owner had Adam Ann Arbor
and the landscape architect come out and
do an assessment of the existing trees I
think between Alman arborist
recommendations and the city's
guidelines we went through and you know
protected put up tree protection they
did deep root fertilization on a lot of
the larger trees just to get them more
robust for this process and they're
still going there was some pruning
simply for uh on some of the trees there
was a suggestion of Alman Arbor for uh
getting those trees ready for this you
know these conditions that will be on
site for a little while here so uh we
found out that the application wasn't in
uh for that on that day so we were
scrambling a little bit to talk with the
city and try and understand what steps
we could take because I think this is a
little bit two-part one is you know
there's a street tree
um that we were analyzing that's
underneath the connection for the sewer
and sequentially that's kind of the
first thing that you want to do so we've
in talking to City we've changed up our
sequencing but in Alan Arbors assessment
as well beyond the street tree is the
tree just inside the property line
um I think from the Alamo numbers note
uh email and also are taking a look at
it on site there were some pictures of
those trees in the application both of
them
um
expressed girdled root structures
um the one inside the property line uh
was hit by lightning it's rotting from
the inside there's a girdle I thought it
was a separate isn't it let me let me
see
um and so you know from our perspective
uh and and you know it was probably too
focused I'll admit that uh we were
looking at those trees thinking hey you
know in our sequence we've got to
address these trees
um they're ones in the way both are not
exactly you know the picture of Health
um the one inside the property line is
dropping limbs as well so that's when we
began in Earnest to try and understand
what the best procedure would be and
what the best next steps are for us to
balance out you know our con you know
being able to
um
move this forward
um in discussions with the city uh and
also trying to understand you know what
conditions you guys feel is appropriate
for
um those trees in particular from a
timing standpoint but I you know on the
other half of that coin or the other
side of that coin uh I understand that
the landscape plan
um
I I think the condition of that is
submitted to begin the process
um I think that the owners and we are
committed to at this point to understand
what uh how to move that forward I think
that there the idea is to you know
present this as the basic design
um get your comments back and understand
what the city and what this commission
would like to see you know meeting the
city guidelines for the landscape plan
uh and working with you to revise and
develop that so that in the end we get
an approved plan that everyone's happy
with I don't think that uh we would shy
away from any of the scope of the
Landscaping but uh we find ourselves now
and me here to begin that process with
you guys and just once you know that
we're very open to that collaboration
that development to get us to the spot
that we need to be at
what else should I cover on that
I like I think maybe just go to q a I
think yeah I I haven't had a couple more
kind of comments that I wanted to make
all right
um so I think that as as we're reviewing
this a couple of things that um I would
recommend that the tree commission kind
of keep in mind is one um having a
noting that the um shrubs would need to
be kind of replaced and kind right in
terms of that also understanding
um a discussion about the one that the
street tree that's coming down whether
or not that would be something that we
would ask the owner to actually you know
fund the cost of kind of the replacement
of that street tree
um with the Linden that's coming down
um how many trees would you guys think
would be potentially appropriate to
consider to replace you know the loss of
that you know kind of 19-inch caliper
tree for them to basically you know kind
of discuss I think that would be
something that would be important as
well as
um understanding that the driveway is
going to be a shared driveway right and
that's what the intent is but if at some
point in the future if a future owner or
something decides well I want to have a
driveway is there something that we
would want to have in a provision that
may or may not happen today but if this
if we decide to table the overall
landscape plan and just say that the
trees that they're proposing to be
removed can be removed but if a future
driveway comes in that it would need to
come back for you know kind of landscape
review right
um just because you know we just we
don't know what's going to happen they
might you know good fences make good
neighbors right to Robert process
um and then
um
I think that
um in terms of also with the with the
landscape
um I would say that the the landscape
plan is um the the plant material is
appropriate to the style of the house in
terms of the boxwoods with the
hydrangeas and the viburnums and it
really is a little bit in terms of when
we're talking about kind of the tree
replacement they do have a number of
flowering dogwoods so you can see they
have flowering dogwoods on either side
here as well as in the rear they have a
couple of flowering trees in the rear as
well I don't know if the flowering
dogwoods would necessarily count for
like the shade tree that we're removing
that it might be something that we
consider is there a different shade tree
that we would like to see in that lawn
um so with that I think we can open it
up to either questions and then sure or
discussion Brian and I just start with a
couple questions about process Nate and
then we can go to the specifics of you
know of the landscape but you know we're
always curious if we're sharing the
right information and have the right
information available to applicants and
when something like this happens it
makes us doubt that the applicants are
reading the information or it's not
clear so
um you know every day we get up and try
and do better so if there's something
that wasn't clear about you know having
a landscape plan here earlier it would
be helpful if we knew and how we could
go about you know sharing that
information with future applicants sure
no I I think that um in
having some familiarity of working with
the city I I know that um we were able
to find the answers we needed by talking
to City staff I think that
um we we did not identify or locate the
specific guidelines for submitting a
landscape plan on the website
um or part of the application process
but knowing
familiar with the city knowing who to
call to understand what that was and
passing that information along to the
landscape designer was kind of how we we
started moving through this
um I think that
um the landscape designer that we're
working with is
more old school and so if it was on the
website
yeah I would hope that they would look
at it right no you know yeah I think
that was the major effect okay you know
I I understand it but as you know we
can't do anything about who people
choose so it's it's kind of that
oversight who's going to you know who's
going to be in charge and uh it sounds
like it was a challenge but again we we
can only make you know the applicant
accountable yes yes now um are there
other questions about process let's deal
with process first Ellen and Molly I
have to recuse you guys from this
discussion because it is an application
that's voted on
so the the mayor and I have chatted
about this and the wisdom is because
it's an application that we voted upon
uh or or not that we can't have your
comments although you are free to share
your con written comments with um a
commission member and if they agree they
can share those comments with us
so that would be another way but
um I can ask others if they have
questions about protests
a question
um is your yeah is your mic on yeah okay
my understanding then uh that for this
thing to proceed that to approve the
tree removal is
first
and then make recommendations about
uh what needs to be amount of
caliper needs to be replaced for those
that are removing
um and then uh the actual landscape plan
then comes in
later yeah I mean I think I think
Eleanor would suggest was suggesting
maybe a two-step process that we look at
the tree in Illinois the trees that are
that need to that they're requesting
come down and that we do a quick review
of the plan what we like what we don't
like
um we can uh not vote on it today we
could table it today we could vote on it
today those are three options so Eleanor
if you have some yes so I think that so
what they're looking at is
um the city tree this tree and then I
believe this small little guy right here
also is that he needs to come out to I
believe
um and so just to clarify it would be
the definitely the removal of these
trees and the the reason for that is to
allow them to dig that sewer line
um I think that if if the tree
commission members feel good enough with
the plans and the elevations that have
been submitted and you are happy with it
and you feel that there's enough
information to vote on it we can
certainly you can certainly vote on that
provided are there any conditions that
we would want to address based on kind
of the rec some of the recommendations I
made or is it something that I know that
the applicant is really willing to you
know kind of try to make this as as good
of a landscape plan as possible and so
if it's something that you say okay well
we're okay with the removal of those
trees pending that you come back to the
tree commission with a revised landscape
plan that addresses the items that we
have we could potentially look at that
then next month so it really is a
question of what you as the the members
feel is appropriate to do today when I
was talking about process Linda I might
have been a little unclear talking about
trying to confirm with Mr Sampson how
how things went asunder so that if there
were some issues with
um either you know finding the
application or the direction or you know
some kind of of interaction that we try
and correct that so we're not in this
position again so I wasn't really
talking about at that point about the
process of what our next steps are so I
mean when the so with the landscape plan
just
whoever didn't it's on a website but if
somebody didn't submit it who makes the
determination that all those things are
not in line
I mean
the city that didn't know there was a
plan I mean
I don't quite understand your question
all right if you're missing up you're
missing a
a landscape planner it wasn't submitted
or the trees were in the wrong place how
did that is that the cities doing to not
note that it
it's all
in other words the trees that are there
need to be removed somebody didn't know
that or so so what happened was
um the the project was approved and we
notified them that they needed to submit
a landscape plan right so that happened
and so that was then told to the owner
and then they hired someone else then
unfortunately those were go then going
on two separate tracks and so then when
construction started construction was
thinking oh the landscape plan you know
it's been I've assigned that to someone
else I'm assuming that that's being done
they did their due diligence of having a
pre-construction meeting on site and
trying to understand what is happening
and then that is when Grant was involved
and was like hey I don't think that the
tree commission has reviewed a landscape
plan at this point so that's where kind
of that you know those two things
happened and it's something as as the
staff member for a landscape plan right
I'm not notified as to when projects are
starting right there's so many projects
that are going on in the city sure I
mean it would just be I mean it just
can't happen so I think that um what I
know that I'm learning from this is
really looking at viewpoint and and
stepping back even from the tree
commission but looking at a building
permit as well as an ARB submission that
if it is a new build that our our
requirements are attached to their
application process right so when
they're going through it they they
actually see it so that's I think a
little bit what Susan was talking about
with process is what can we do to
applicants to let them know that this is
happening so it's not caught by like
Grant in the field and Grant's like well
I don't know right right and he punts it
to me and I punch it to Ben and right
you know we kind of move forward with
that okay so Mr Hellman you had to
comment
um questions okay or questions questions
coming from my confusion what's the
current status of construction on the
property uh excavation excavation it's
happening right so the the gray area on
the plant has that already been
installed no okay I mean so how is how
are the excavators getting back is a
temporary drive through there between
the tree protected trees there uh online
North tree and the tree in question
um we're trying to push that drive down
away from the larger Street trees and
the specimen tree just north of that
drive you know those are protected and
there's a space in between them that we
can get by but I think long term
um you know what we're trying to do is
move that down to stay away from those
trees I mean finding out that one was
directly over the sewer line and with
the inspection from Alan Arbor and the
other one just being uh decaying tree
we're trying to uh you know protect the
healthy trees as much as we can with
those two questions today but that the
um area for staging is not in right now
they're getting back along the side the
south side of house passageway yeah
so there's but we don't have a drawing
of what the current access
Drive is in terms of width or location
um
I want to say we revised this to show
that pass okay we may have sent it to
the building department I mean uh okay
but we can provide that yeah I I it's
just curious to me as to why first it's
a it's what 15 feet wide which seems
pretty wide
um and then it hits two trees uh I can
understand the sewer line in this day
and age I won't find anybody who wants
to expand their sewer line
um but the but that the second tree
seems to be
I I wouldn't call it arbitrary in terms
of where the service or where the
temporary construction is but it seems
like that could have been avoidable tree
uh in terms of getting back to all of
this yes I think in the pathway
determined it's close
what they're trying to do is just
address the uh ailing trees at once and
that those two happen to uh not be in
great conditions so that's why we're
talking about them now I think we get
that out of the way it gives a little
bit more space and more room for Access
staying away from the specimen tree to
the north with the traffic right
um so I I think that you you make a good
point in that and I think it's just
trying to address a an ailing tree to be
able to replace it with a healthy Tree
in a new plant
okay so so in my mind that hinges on
somebody's assessment of the 18-inch
tree yes I was the one that was struck
by lightning right yeah so that's that
to me uh I would question a 15 foot wide
uh access that seems a bit excessive uh
in terms of your and then yard staging
I'm not sure about what we can do about
that but you're going to have that but
that's a
um so those to me are key issues and
then likewise uh I not sure it's part of
the Landscaping kind of but driveways uh
certainly are on a new build
um I presume there'll be some kind of
amazing agreement between the two
properties that they will share this
driveway in perpetuity yes and and that
was a an issue sort of well trod in our
ARB review just about between the two
properties yeah but yes because if it's
ever uh the other house would have no
and I I'm a little surprised maybe the
property line doesn't split the split
the driveway so they have to have it
jointly
um but that the uh should the South
owner ever get angry at the North owner
yeah they'll have no access around the
house to I think it'll be an easement
issue as long as it's
shared I and uh
you know in part of that process by
talking about the shared drive it was
um also in an effort to maintain the
street trees and the other more
maturities on the north side of the lot
you know there is room to come back at a
later date with review from this
commission if there ever needs to be two
drives there is legal space allowing
that but you know that's not this these
owners plan and we know that that would
be subject to review and approval yeah
it looks almost impossible to get by the
existing house or the driveway
so I mean that and so again that's maybe
not an art thing but boy oh boy there
sure should be a solid easement uh
listed shown and submitted it's not an
uncommon thing to have shared driveways
around here but the Eastman right has to
be absolutely iron flat so we don't find
ourselves in a situation of having
approved a whole bunch of stuff and
somebody comes later well you denied me
access I don't have access to my lot so
that's pretty key yeah
you know
may I make a comment about process just
to help also with this is um you know uh
the unfamiliarity like there's there's a
review of landscape surely you know
there the landscape uh process I think
for a new build is slightly different in
its requirements yes and there's so few
of them and far between it's not
something we have total familiarity with
but we work very hard to get up to speed
quickly it's becoming more and more
familiar to us just saying so
we know about this so Larry do you have
any more questions on this kind of uh
Preamble before we get to the landscape
plan uh no and I'll nude a little bit
more on on process I'm not
I I hear this issue with process but
okay certainly we should be able to do
something on a contingual basis that
makes some sense I mean I'm not sure
it's in anybody's interest to stop this
project moving forward
um but okay are there any other
questions about process Barb
about process well yes we're not to the
landscape plan we're talking we're
talking about kind of where we are at
this level of how do we get here two
trees that want to be that need to be
taken down for for construction
that to me that's part of the process
that's not the landscape
I agree so if the house was already
built and I lived there and I had a
London that was destroyed I mean I would
be taking the tree down no matter what
and if I had a much trouble with my
sewers and there was a street tree on
top of it I would be addressing the city
about how to deal with that so in some
ways I don't think that
because this is a new build doesn't
really have anything to do with those
two trees I mean the the one that's on
top of the silver bison just had to you
know dig out everything because the tree
was on top of the sewer line and uh and
the same way with a tree that needs to
be come down I mean you know so I think
we should start with that I mean to me
that's my I see the two different
sections but to me we can take those
down
and get on with it and then the
landscape plan I can see looking at it
in more detail
you know next month but let's you know
let them
take those two silly trees down and then
we need to think about caliber who
replaces that's just details Sheila do
you have anything you'd like to add
I agree with what Barb just had to say I
appreciate the sensitivity that you came
to us with the problem so that we could
work on this together I think the trees
that are in question
for this project to move forward I would
approve or suggest that we discuss
approving them to be removed and then go
on with the landscape
discussion thank you Sheila Celeste all
right Echo
comments Mary okay so what does Susan
have to say well Susan is asking if um
how long the fencing has been around the
trees and right-of-way as that was where
they were the trees protected from the
very beginning of this project or has it
just been since we've started to talk
about the landscape application the
trees and the protection Industries on
site and in the right-of-way were
protected before any access was created
and how about the bricks and the
certainly save them someplace somebody
couldn't grab them all right all right
yeah okay okay because because one of
the things that happens when we approve
an application is with the tree
protection and the brick for protection
so have not having had that opportunity
for a question about that now I want to
turn to Grant because we haven't had it
let him talk yet and say Grant if you
agree
are you disappointed you haven't been
called on yet no I knew it I knew it
that's yeah
okay
back to
long ago we removed a city Tree on top
of the sewer tap on South Parkview
yeah
you can have access to it now you're
talking about yeah
so it was a large silver maple
um
so yeah I I
didn't say that both things treating the
smaller oval treaty is not in greatest
of shape either um this little guy yeah
okay
I think it's fine for them to do their
removal I do like to commend them for
going in and doing the Deep group
injection I mean they are doing way more
than what a normal
uh over and do typically so it's nice to
see that they are taking the top of
these streets there is so
um just thinking about treason the right
of way the tree for South Columbia the
street tree is the paper bark maple
is it the paper bark maple in that area
or is it south of that
there's overhead wires in the
right-of-way in front of the house
yeah because the two Oaks are there yeah
on the South Side okay right
a large tree uh which the homeowner has
agreed that they wanted to replace it
with the larger trees
and what is the right-of-way there
10 feet yeah it's pretty generous okay
all right so is there any other comments
then as we look at talking about
um approval or non-approval or tabling
the request to move the three trees in
question
to my right we have the
we have the Maple and a small Oak and
the small Oak okay any any further
discussion on those
okay so Mr Hillman it seems that you're
good at making motions so may I ask you
um yes now the question is whether this
is conditioned upon anything
okay that's a good question pure motion
just for the trees or is it condition
about something and
um
either way but I suggest that
is conditioned upon uh we can continue
to review and ultimate approval of
financial plans yes well and I would
right though the trees are going to be
long gone so I'm not sure well well I
think I think to Grant's point that in
his private conversations the homeowner
or the architect or the landscape
architect have agreed to replace
the street tree with a large Street tree
or is there room for two Street trees
yeah okay here it is
but that's just the construction access
right right yeah
well exactly yeah right
although you might have to do some
aerating of the soil if it's been
compacted
foreign
whatever that might mean to us Mortals
so Larry are you yeah I move the
approval of the three trees and Quest
the removal of this retweet tweeze
things in question
um uh conditioned upon uh the ultimate
of replacement of those trees in an
improved landscape plan including the
street trees in front
okay is there so it's counterbalance
between what what is being taken down
and what's yet to happen okay is that
second second okay is there any
discussion is everyone clear about
what's coming down what's being what
will be shown on a subsequent landscape
plan
was the word replacement in my motion I
don't know I got stuck on the Three
Trees I got it okay okay
um
I would maybe to suggest uh I'm or I
guess we can we'll just go ahead of this
okay motion been made a second that we
approved the removal of three trees at
202 South Columbia and Oak a maple in a
Linden
um and uh to replace with like kind
uh and
and to be shown on a future landscape
plan uh all those in favor say
aye
aye all the supposed same sign okay
motion carries
thank you okay so now
um you know now now we're to the
landscape plan
so as Elena has mentioned we can we can
um you know look at this and critique it
and ask Mr Sampson to come back next
month with uh our ideas incorporated
into the landscape plan
um we can approve as is we can table so
uh you know it's at our discretion I
just say let's let's try and decide what
we want to do and then move along I'm
going to suggest for for a little bit of
of uh Pace here that we could keep the
plan give Mr Sampson comments and then
he comes back uh next month with our
ideas Incorporated rather than going
through and
having needing to have him approve
things now that he may have to take back
to the landscape architect and can we
ask one question uh is the landscape
plan that's been submitted has that been
approved by the owner
okay
so
um so mayor I'm going to ask now since
we're not approving the landscape plan
today if other voices are allowed or
because we will be approving it at some
future time if we still I will do my
best to represent the legal opinion yes
I know I know Mr caveat that I could be
wrong that's that's all right I think
that because it's in the context of a
there is a plan in front of you right
you should not have all right
thank you I I I concur with that and I'm
less legal than you are so
um but I do say to Ellen and Molly if
you have comments you'd like to make and
um and your members who are friends or
friends who are members
um agree with those comments they can
read them and and be a voice of it so
are there any comments about the
landscape plan or things that you'd like
to see or not see in the future
landscape plan
question
um
are there recommendations from Elena
that we have it's
um
that's pretty much other than the ginkgo
maybe is a recommendation for the
replacement tree right so I think for
for me I am I I think that the the
overall the foundation plantings around
the side of that house are appropriate
to the kind of the style of the house
and the look that they are are going for
for me it is more of he uh the original
thought was do we want to replace that
with a ginkgo tree to have because
there's kind of like a red and yellow
theme that is going on which I think is
fine but I also think that they have an
opportunity to since they do have this
you know kind of large lawn area is
there is there some reason to sort of
say okay well if there's a large kind of
shade tree here do you have a
symmetrical large shade tree here that
kind of flanks the house right and so I
think that's one of the things to sort
of that we could you know sort of
request that we would like for them to
come back and kind of think about if we
can increase kind of the the coverage
um or is it even some I mean they have a
you know kind of a sidewalk access path
that comes here and goes up you know are
are there any trees that you know could
go along that way I mean architecturally
you know my mind is like oh I would love
to have two flanking trees that would
look really cool right because it would
be a beautiful you know kind of home now
granted it's going to be
50 to 100 years before the tree gets
that big but you know you've got to
start something I bet the house is over
100 years old so that time will come
right right so so to me I mean I think
that they have you know they have the um
existing you know kind of sour gum trees
here
um that I know that Jim would probably
just put sweet gums um kind of put them
wherever you can
um and then they have some Evergreens it
really is more about a question of it's
a question of
um you know what would we like to have
if there's additional trees that we want
to come that basically replace the
Linden that's coming down like is it
just
put another tree there or do we want to
you know sort of say it would be nice to
not only put another tree there but also
have an additional shade tree just
you know
to help replace it because over time you
know we're trying to replace the tree
canopy
you know to this is something that you
know it's a great time of year to drive
around and look another and other lots
for
um that have large shade trees on lots
that are you know I don't have space but
I suppose it's just open space but have
the shade trees it's a great time of
year to uh to get a feeling for what
that does to your life
um I think so that might just be some of
the owners might you know want to do you
just take a look at it you don't have to
even imagine it it's right here they're
good examples everywhere yeah other
comments I
um
I'm not sure the driveway works and I
the last thing I'd like to do is add
asphalt however
um I don't know what they do with guests
so a guest comes drops somebody off the
driveway is blocked
yeah you know and somebody and I'm not
sure that's the designation of the walk
it looks like it's probably either out
of scale or maybe too small I mean
you're not going to have a grand house
like that a 90 degree turn and a
sidewalk and it's narrow and through me
so I'm not sure the arrival is quite
thought through yet
um I don't know what that is whether
it's a bump out and something special so
that there is a place where someone can
be dropped off the car can stay there
for a little bit and the other neighbor
can get by nothing will kill a joint
driveway quicker than a car blocking
yeah everybody so I I think that needs
some some serious work to figure that
out and and to make it as Grand as the
house I mean the house is going to be a
grand house and it presents itself well
big face and all that and here's this
Teensy little sidewalk and no drop off
other comments
um to Larry's Point I guess in barbs I
would suggest that the landscaper the
owners look at additional shaped trees
it seems to me to be underserved
and there's a lot of Green Space there
which is great but uh I guess the
I don't know if ARB looked at the
seating area that is the concrete with
the chairs I mean that feels like a
Folly almost you know like it's an
architectural feature but
um that is going to be removed okay okay
right so that that exists currently
right where the
um basically the new uh garage is going
to be located okay so that's good yeah
it's gone that's good that's good
because the pot almost stonehen should
revisit it but uh I I do think there's a
lot of place for shade trees
um it's an old house I mean I'm thinking
the English manor houses they all had
great trees not necessarily next to the
house because a lot of times it was just
fines next to the house but um
you know as in in their Grand View they
had some so I would suggest that they
come back with some additions and then
also that you come back with your you
know to the other motion with the
definite plans for the replacement of
the trees that are coming down however
those work and allies are
you know in some sort of series
maybe one more throw in is it has there
been a thought about a sidewalk that
also goes to the street
or parking on the street to come up or
just walk up the driveway correct they
um that was not uh something that owners
wanted okay at this uh when we were just
developing this as a big overall idea
about the site
um having that and maintaining as much
as we can that Greenery along the street
as a you know a little bit of a filter
so I think that the walkway certainly is
you know at a sort of premature stage
but thinking about those particulars is
important with using the driveway
dropping off how you approach the house
I think that they their preference is to
approach it from the drive side versus
straight up yeah that's true in that
sense does that say something about the
edge of the sidewalk does it want to or
I'm sorry the edge of the driveway
doesn't breathe and want to read as a as
a paver up the side of the driveway so
it feels like a walk or is it going to
be I know a lot of money in this house
and you want all your guests walking on
an asphalt to go to your house yeah yeah
absolutely I I think more definition
um
is necessary in development in that for
just how it works in the landscape but
also I think the owners need to
um
think through that with us and with the
landscape designer to make sure that
that's up to par
the um and correct me if I'm wrong I
think the existing driveway is concrete
correct it's a paver drive it's a paver
Drive yeah so I don't think there's
going to be any asphalt
um but I do think that they do have in
their approach is kind of a cobblestone
and so that might be interesting to sort
of say could you reuse that cop that
same material as a bump out you know
along that and then that would be
something that I think we would you
would we'd probably want to check with
Kathy and make sure that the lot
coverage would allow for any kind of
bump out I think that that's a
interesting point about you know if
someone's parked there so little I
think about it oh sorry yeah
temporarily so yes right yeah so and
then also of course I'm I'm sure you
have notes about the replacement of the
Hedge that's been removed yes absolutely
okay okay and anything else
okay well with those suggestions I would
like to ask for motion that we table
this application until uh let's see uh
I've got it on here June 21st so
I'll make a motion that we table this
project until our next meeting on June 7
21st
okay is there a second exactly okay
emotions made a second that we tabled
the um uh review and approval of our
non-reproval of the 202 South Columbia
application until June 21st 2023 all
those in favor say aye
aye all those opposed same sign okay
motion carries all right all right
thanks everyone
yeah okay so
are you still awake back there Ryan okay
you're good all right so we're gonna go
on to the Columbia Plaza as you might
remember last month we looked at The
Hardscape in general broad brush Strokes
again as far as you know the pallet you
know the materials the Follies the bump
outs and uh now today we are looking
only at the landscape plan because ARB
has I'm assumed reviewed The Hardscape
elements is that right yes okay and so
Elena if you'd like to introduce this
project and then we'll have our
applicant come forward
already so we are looking at
tpgc-31- excuse me
23-6 I don't know where I saw 31. the
Columbia Plaza landscape um and this is
at 165 North Columbia Avenue
um so a couple of things um to note
um the beds are planned to be irrigated
I'm I'm not 100 sure if we're going to
irrigate the median or not I need to ask
Grant and probably Brian that as well
um
the Columbia Plaza and the pergolas were
approved by the ARB at on June 12 23.
um the tree commission informally
reviewed the project at our 419 meeting
and there were items that were discussed
that have been included in the revised
plan that I wanted to kind of note the
medians are now less formal and have a
single Grove trees with ground cover if
you recur
um if you recall at our previous meeting
it had a boxwood hedge that was very you
know kind of pruned with then you know
annuals or perennials in the inside
um and everyone felt that that might be
a little bit too much maintenance as
well as
um too difficult to just you know kind
of keep and the maintenance department
has confirmed that they would actually
prefer to have ground cover in lieu of
lawn in this area because of fear of or
damaging the curves right they just said
it would be easier to just get you know
work to get the ground cover established
and then you know just let it go the
granite curves at the medians have been
replaced with stand Zone curbs that does
exist in different areas throughout the
city they have I've done some research
Sandstone is actually recommended over
Limestone just as a curbing material
they really look almost in
distinguishable between the two as they
they kind of age and so they have
replaced that from the black granite
curbs that was shown originally the
center section of the plaza is to be
constructed of brick as well as the
granite pavers to create a more
residential feel but still have the
durability to withstand traffic and so
one of the concerns that our last
meeting is that it was just too much
gray and it felt a little bit too much
like it was um to Urban into downtown
Columbus and we wanted to have a little
bit more of a residential feel but we
also wanted to make sure that we broke
things up visually so you know you can
have I think too much of any one
material so having the two materials
visually breaks it up somewhat
um the granite paver selection is a
lighter color than what was originally
shown with that has a tan undertone
um and you can see this is the proposed
Stone makeup this is at um a project
that is done just kind of north of the
park
um I can't remember the address it's
right on Park views the Olsen residence
and um they have new columns and this is
has a a warmer kind of stone feel and
this is actually the same stone that we
are looking to use for the Follies and
it's a little bit more elevated of um
kind of a stone selection than we have
on the Bexley The Columns and so we
wanted to make a little bit of a
distinction in terms of what our Gateway
Stone was versus this is a stone I have
a little bit more of kind of a high-end
material
um with the material it's kind of hard
to see but you can see the granite is a
little bit
um kind of lighter that the Grays that
you can see here is actually more of a
tan and it picks up on some of the Grays
with the stone this would is a sample of
this sandstone and then this is the
brick that um we're proposing to use
that is the closest match that we can
have to the the brick that we've used
throughout Bexley that is no longer in
manufacturing so I respond if they kid
anymore you don't you can't the one that
we've been using they don't make it
anymore oh wow so this is the closest
yeah this is the closest that that they
can do
um
so we wanted to kind of I wanted to show
you guys that okay let's see and then
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the whip
so I know I'm surprised that this hasn't
blown up
um and so I I'm not gonna go this is
another a full kind of complete package
and so um we'll have Ryan who you met um
last month come up and kind of walk
through it we didn't meet Ryan last
month oh we didn't Ryan you didn't oh
gosh you didn't oh sorry
it was about actually no it wasn't just
me who just it was just me okay so we
have Ryan Schultz with mksk he's I've
had so many meetings with just assume
that you've been at every meeting that
I've been at so he has been with us at
um mksk and a couple of things to just
kind of call out with the with the
overview um with this this is the the
kind of that Center brick portion now
that we're looking at that matches the
brick of the sidewalk and that we're
looking for the um for the street as
well rather than this being all kind of
you know Granite looking to have kind of
almost like a carpet somewhat um within
this Plaza to kind of break things up
and so then we have the pergolas then on
either end and the ability to kind of
enter out into the field and enter out
into the field the zones that you see
here that are just sort of slightly
suggested that is part of the overall
campus uh Commonwealth master plan where
the intent is to have a series of kind
of Brassfield fine Pathways within the
center of the park
um and so so the intent those aren't a
part of this project but this is
designed with that as a future phase
coming in mind
um
the plant material that is um so here
are just some existing pictures of the
street you guys have been at Columbia so
you can kind of see note that
unfortunately this the the trees the
city trees will need to be removed in
order to accomplish the widening of that
but we are adding then trees also on the
outside in terms of kind of the
right-of-way as well as new trees down
the median as well so we're actually
going to have a surplus of more trees in
this area to kind of accomplish this
going through the materials this is just
you know kind of more details of what
all of the materials are to note
um to call our attention there will be
brick curbing along where the parking is
here so we're going to be introducing
the brick curbain and then along the
center medians that's where the
Sandstone Curve will be so that we're
going to try to have a detail and we're
looking interestingly you guys might
think this is cool we're looking to have
a um because of the quantity of brick I
think that we're having we can actually
get a brick that is that is designed
specifically at an angle and flat on the
top and kind of flat on the bottom so
you don't correct your little point and
so we're looking to be able to have that
and so it's going to look very similar
to the bricks that we have but it's
actually going to have a better kind of
design detail you're not going to have
that weird little point with like a
mortar line so that's you know that is
something that mksk is good yeah how
about our names engraved I know right
you sneak out there at night and just
kind of kind of come in
um a couple of small things just to to
note
um we are working with City Engineers as
to the best way that we are going to be
addressing these sidewalks and so these
the the ramps to the sidewalks might
change slightly in the plan
um and so that is going to be done
during the um kind of the construction
document phase of this but I just want
you guys to kind of be aware their
concrete sidewalks will be around the
perimeter and then once you get into the
park the goal is to transition into
brick right
now this hasn't been priced out yet it
fingers crossed it might end up being
concrete but the the design intent is
that we would love to kind of have that
brick
um there will be a pathway that actually
comes and accesses the unisex bathroom
that is here and then this is the pump
house where the pump for the irrigation
and electrical for the park will be
located and we don't have a sidewalk
there because we're not trying to
encourage people to come to that area
for any reason
um a detail of um kind of the plaza
itself the yellow lines that are here
that's just a graphic
um
yeah it's reinforced Granite it's not
actually going to be a painted yellow
line
um and so that is just to be able to
kind of call it out we still though
however within that brick pavement here
would have a lighter color
um brick or Granite brick
um to basically indicate that that is
kind of a notified crosswalk the ramps
come up this is all again at kind of one
level going across
grades
and then the the plant material
and this is what we're discussing today
this is where yes this is what we're
just saying this the others was all kind
of a preamble preamble kind of
background so
um the uh the street trees that we're
looking at
um and within this
is this because we're you know what I'm
at this point I'm going to introduce
Ryan I think that's a great idea
and walk us through
the plant material
yeah
right so Ryan you know it feels like old
home week because you may not know this
but we started down the Journey of uh
of of what should I say um re having
bexley's landscape with them ksk you
know 22 years ago so you know yeah so
this is good to be back yeah good good
to have you back before you start I want
to ask Grant to remind himself and the
city about sending out a letter to all
the residents on Colombia and
Commonwealth about the removal of those
Beech trees before we take him down
after
after our little
hullabaloo on Parkview okay okay
Grant
Ed
okay thanks thanks Grant so so Ryan
please take it away sure no problem good
evening everyone my name is Ryan Schultz
as I was introduced from mksk
um it's been a pleasure to work on this
project Ellen did a wonderful job kind
of giving you a preview or
kind of a pick up where we left last
left off I know there's some comments
you guys all have comments on I think
we've addressed most or all of those
comments to date um as far as materials
Hardscape those aspects of it so again
appreciate that um as far as the
planting is concerned you kind of Dive
Right In Here
um this is our plant schedule just in
general I think it starts with the
street trees and kind of works its way
through the ornamental trees and then
all the way into the shrubs and
perennials Ground Covers
um so I think the question here that we
started off with we have four Street
trees listed as we as was mentioned the
Beech trees are being removed there's 14
existing Beech trees sadly being removed
they're beautiful species we love them
as well but with the with the widening
of the road there's just really no
option there so our thought was Let's
either replace what's there we know the
beech tree is already there that's an
option but we've also provided three
other options just to be considered
we're we're willing to go in any
direction we feel or you all feel is
necessary but we've also thought with
some of what we see out here on Main
Street with the American Sycamore is a
good option that could be considered
we've also had a lot of success with the
zelkovas and the Princeton elves just
with their upright nature the way the
forms the way they function in Cadence
along a streetscape it really felt like
we had a couple good options so we just
want to limit ourselves just to what was
there because it was there if there's an
opportunity to switch it out this this
would be the time so that's the four
trees
um then jumping into the median we felt
that the um just an Autumn Brilliance
service Berry with the with the
multi-stem you know 12 15 feet height as
you install them again that Cadence down
the street would be a nice way to create
not a not a not a stark contrast of
trees moving down the street but a nice
Lacy kind of visual see-through uh
option especially as you're looking
across the street for safety reasons and
also just just for overall um stuff so
we thought that was a good option for
the median freeze
um just keep going through this yes sure
actually could we go yeah where do you
want to the next yep
here we are this this kind of represents
the North End of Columbia it shows the
median and and the um and the
streetscape the tree Lawns are all going
to be turf grass just a typical you know
type Fescue
um again as Elena had mentioned the
center meeting in itself we've removed
the the boxwood we had admittedly had a
little bit of a more fussy feel with a
boxwood hedge tulips and and and other
things mixed in it would look beautiful
but we also understand the impacts that
Grant has and with his team but also the
safety aspect of looking across the
street that sort of thing so we've just
really narrowed this down and I see it
right outside the window here but just
use a simple winter creeper a nice solid
uh ground cover as an option there which
felt nice
um at the entries as and this this would
be reflected on the North and the South
those little Planters right there that
Ellen is pointing at we're proposing a
couple options there I think it's really
um some daylilies lining I have three
and I'm going to have to remember here
the day lilies are on the inside the
street side a nice double row there and
then we're using little lime hydrangeas
on the outside to kind of frame that in
we've had a lot of success with those
plants they're bulletproof they're
pretty maintenance friendly so that's
how we see that happening on that end
and also again on the south side
well now I know you weren't here last
month so that's okay
but you know you know every committee
has sort of what it likes and it doesn't
like you hit the magic not like word
with Daylily so but we'll come back
we'll come back to that yeah we'll make
that note yeah I'd make that note yeah
um but and then there's there are a
couple little areas that we did add some
liriope at the corners there's where the
two ramps come together we're not we're
still working through that little area
we probably think that's better served
being probably removed or trying in The
Hardscape eventually so that's the plan
there again on the other side we're
reflecting those two plants one that
will be not named again on the South
Side here
um but again just keeping that
consistent Rhythm on each side and then
around the Folly structures which will
obviously be built at this point they'd
be constructed
um we're proposing
um just more of a kind of a Hedgerow in
the front with variope and then again
more of the hydrangea kind of at the
foundation of the building itself
um and then it's a little bit more and
then again
um yeah yeah exactly so in the plaza
space that extends to the east west
and there's an image and maybe it's
almost better Helena to show the 3D
renderings for this one
yeah these are some of the this is so
this is the entry this is sort of
reflective of what we're we're
discussing here
um at the entries again you can see the
Serviceberry and the low ground cover
the median and then the Cadence of the
street trees on the on the tree Lawns
carrying down
and then here you can also start to see
what hints at the boxwood and the Royal
Purple liriope that that will basically
frame in that Plaza space that wraps the
outside so the box was pretty obvious
here in this 3D rendering that would sit
on the inside of the of the plaza so it
really kind of like hold people in that
when they're expand when they're in the
Pavilion spaces or experiencing the
plaza and then it gives it that nice
color outside to kind of capture that
the rest of that all in so again this is
a pretty simple palette I mean we really
see this as it's a pub it's more of a
public space we don't want to have this
be a fussy Garden someone's obviously
yard like other plans we've seen but it
still has a nice bulletproof clean feel
that lends itself to the Bexley uh
character that we see around around the
town so how about lighting lighting
um all the trees in the streetscape that
includes the tree lawn and the center
median we're going to do a nice low soft
up light is what we're proposing and
there's some images I think of that if
we want to show those but okay it
wouldn't wouldn't be a nice it wouldn't
be a big Spotlight you know cast up but
just to get nice and and so the street
lights that are there now will be
removed the street lights have to be
relocated but there will be the city
standards street lights there okay this
is a great plan here that shows you that
so okay the pink circles indicate the
tree up lights in the tree lawn and the
median and then the orange kind of
circles I think there's six total would
be your street lights that are what we
see out there today
um a couple other lighting features that
would be in the plaza are a hang down oh
you can see the lantern in the top left
could even be like a gas lamp kind of
lantern hanging down from those Pavilion
structures and then the blue crisscross
would be the
um the spring lights that we see a lot
of times outside but just two simple
Crossings just to give it a nice little
celebratory feel so okay so let's move
to questions
okay
uh are there
it's messy
it can be and I believe this particular
Autumn Brilliance is the least as a less
Messier variety than that it does I
can't say completely yeah
right okay
and I think one of the things
um is that since they're in the medians
and you know they're going to be over
ground cover
um you know I don't I don't know how
much of his is they're going to
hopefully just fall into that I know
that that was a comment that um I think
was Molly made for the for the Baxley
outdoor reading room where I had had
service berries and we're switching that
out with um probably like a smaller like
a you know smaller Magnolia just for
that reason so there none of the service
berries are directly adjacent to the
plaza right
to make them too messy and with the new
the winter creeper you're not hand
you're not having to deal with the
hedging and all the other fussy plants
around it's just a simple ground cover
so they'll almost kind of just dissipate
into that space and turn and disappear
hopefully mostly
I'm go ahead
Mr Helen so I'm first time seeing it so
I'll maybe bring up some things that
probably already been discussed that
they are just just flag me off
um the uh and I'll I presume the
structures we're not talking about but
the Ballers might be safe
because that would be on probably our
standpoint and I guess I I raised this
question about
um pedestrian movement versus car
movement I'm sure this has been talked
about a lot uh that there's no
definition of those Lanes in the plaza
uh and the light level on the Plaza
because I suspect there will be a lot of
kids going back and forth right and then
other cars as they go home to get dinner
from soccer and everything else uh so a
slight concern about that and then
likewise uh the grade the the streets
presume will have curbs yes but so the
streets then will have to come up to the
patio because the curbs will have to
stop somewhere right so uh something to
catch you maybe up on is and it's a
little bit harder to see here but there
is a what we call a traffic table so
there's like about a 22 foot on each
side gradual increase of six inches that
goes up to that Plaza table so the plaza
sits up six inches above the street
below so what that causes is it creates
a large wide speed bump but it will slow
traffic down considerably as it as you
approach that Center space right and and
obviously no stop signs or anything
regarding uh at the at the plaza there's
there's some risk with the plaza sure
with that yeah yeah no stop signs
propose that the fair there's a lot of
discussions at the North and South End I
know that and then uh drainage uh what's
the drainage plan for this so the
drainage the the the the site itself
actually drains from north to south just
in in general so the idea is to hide and
create uh catch basins within the
drainage
um pan we call it it's a brick drainage
plant pan it's a little hard to see I
think we're gonna you can see that
double line that separates the parking
area from this from the drive aisle and
that'll be a brick uh gutter pan I hate
to use that term but gutter pan is what
it is but it'll be a decorative sense
that'll decide that's the plaza I'm more
concerned with the plaza drainage yeah
would have area drains we would include
those with in the brick within the brand
of pavers within the pavers yeah okay we
definitely want to do that in those
pedestrians okay sure yeah
is that it
okay other other ideas trash containers
recycling containers yes we'll
definitely have those after those
as we need those for sure okay so I'd
like to just um you know kind of segue
over here to Grant and see what he
thinks of the plant material and the
plan because your life is on the line
here Grant
because you already have
Scorch on the horse chestnuts which then
we'll have in practice and there could
be a lot of time where
our farm looks like it's you've got a
bunch of safely intrigued okay
yeah sure
and how about Beach
trees
so your Elm is okay at the moment
yeah okay
uh service barriers yeah
I've had a problem with the service
buried well right yeah
and it used to be the planet of the
effects we've been using them yeah I
know yeah our love affair might be over
yeah
okay and if I understand correctly that
the the farricated lairobi is not as
invasive as the other
it's not and actually what we're showing
here in our our plans is the Royal
Purple variety which we found is a lot
less invasive than the typical big blue
and you're still saying invasive
are you thinking are you thinking it's
still invasive no I'm just you know me I
I'm all about natives I mean you've got
beautiful sedges that are just as nice
and and they work so much more
efficiently and they don't cause
problems like some of these other things
um winter creeper is invasive if you
don't believe it I'll show you Jeffrey
Woods because I'm having to pull it out
of there so I think that's like total
now in my opinion
um boxwood's got blight issues too
doesn't it
our boxwood huh
yeah I think this being a
not a main Fair Way about communication
solving and
Improvement yeah
absolutely I just like I said I'm and
the Stella doors are like oh no thank
you but um I I just feel like definitely
no winter creeper and if we could at
least consider the sedges because they
do have interesting seed pods and
they've got the winter color and there's
some that are really interesting how are
they in a I'm going to say this is more
relaxed but it still has a formal nature
to it do you feel that they're
appropriate in that well if they're
similar to a lower eyepiece okay if
that's the look you're going for they
would work Mount Cuba did an extensive
study on them and they've got a lot of
great information on their website if
you want to learn more thank you other
comments
Celeste you're not going to talk about
daylilies and it's so unlike you
well I think
yeah
okay well we'll call it okay a city
councilwoman Lori feibel lorianne huh
they're not your favorites okay okay
so
um knowing that you're in contact with
Elena and Ellen is in contact with you
you know sometimes to move the projects
along we ask that you take under
consideration some of these and then um
you know with with uh illness approval
then move ahead which I think would be a
wise course of action yes you know and
it just kind of depends on how many more
times you want to come back to see us
you know I was going to ask if there was
any wrought iron in this whole area
there's not I mean I think the only
metal pieces that you'll see in the plan
are in this you can see in this view
right here there's the metal sign in the
front that wrought iron steel sometime
and then there's the metal ball alerts
but again those aren't those aren't an
IR those are just going to be a tubular
skills
well when um mksk first did an inventory
of Bexley in 2000 I think it was two
thousand they came up with three design
elements brick curves wrought iron and
pillars so we've tried to stay true to
that as we can
um and our signage sort of reflects that
in central vexley so if there's an
opportunity or you change something out
I think it would kind of meld it all
together absolutely
but just that's just FYI so um we've
heard Ryan we've heard Grant
um be okay with this plan I think that
we could make a decision about the tree
if we want to decide what that street
tree should be we could ask um Grant to
see or are replanting this grant
okay I just wondering about availability
of of the species of the of the elm
or this alcohol
is an eligible to be ready okay do we
want to make a decision on that do we
want that to be staff review
I mean they're similar so it's not right
yeah I mean I think one thing is you
know if it's the zelkoba or the elm
based on availability right right I mean
it could be one or the other one or the
other the profile's pretty much the same
growing habitats pretty much the same
okay so let's have the motion maybe with
those few considerations
Mr Hellman how about you are you still
with us here I am okay let's go for it
make a motion
to improve the landscape plan uh
ascertain with the alternatives
plannings for your approval here at
Grants
okay yes sir second I second that
emotion okay is there emotions
the emotional motion okay is there uh
any discussion
that we approve the plan as presented
with the staff and the consultant
um reviewing the suggestions and
considerations offered by the commission
members all those in favor say aye aye
all those opposing Sonia came motion
carries all right Ryan we look forward
to seeing you again thank you very much
appreciate all your comments all right
thank you
thanks right
um I carried over the Schneider park
splash pad installation review even
though it's being installed because
there's some concern on my part that no
one's approved at Elena I don't know if
that's true
um I always think in wisdom that we
protect ourselves from having some
public body
say something about it but
um knowing how time our short time is
I'm not sure we should take our time to
do it
uh lorianne do you know if city council
has reviewed no and I don't know if
Parks and Rec has so it's just more more
of a consideration about as I said
protecting everyone
um so it's something I can I can double
check with the the mayor on it okay
um I don't have it readily pulled up but
I might be able to figure it out
um I do want to get to Grant so why
should we just should we try to I'll put
it on my agenda to discuss it and we can
review it next right and I you know as
we're doing that and again thinking
about considerations when Celeste and I
and Mary and I were there for the um
Earth Arbor Day uh Festival our concern
was future access we have a tree that's
come down that needs to be replaced
um Celeste has figures
um and installations how are they going
to be able to access it probably not
over the pad so I mean that would be
something to think about as you
activated by the button so it's not like
it's just costs no but can it stand can
it withstand a pickup truck going across
it to take in a new uh creature that
celestials yeah
okay okay well so so just concrete and I
would say that um
it might be that access is going to have
to be to the north of the shelter house
and come around that way versus having a
super easy access right to where the
fairy garden is now or we're going to
have to come you know above the shelter
house and back up and come that way if
something comes in
from where when we last made an
installation it's almost impossible
because there's the hill there there's
that great change there's a great you
know where the River Birch are okay yeah
but anyways something to consider and
come with some suggestions and then
grant us an FYI would be great if you
had a chance to talk to Celeste because
I understand the reading Garden has
moved and how we're going to reinstall
that yeah
no not the little Library not the free
little Library it's the Bear Mama Bear
papa bear and baby bear
whatever
right when I was there about two days
ago they were not and also they've been
detached and anybody could change and
put them in the trunk
so if you could just have a conversation
with Celeste and work that out okay okay
so so so Grant we're going to go on to
you and your report because we're
getting close to that magic
um
that magic six o'clock so you have some
things on your agenda whether you want
to talk about them or not sure about
tree Potter program they they have sent
that over to me and I just haven't had
time to pass
um
typically that's just my farmers will be
running that program
uh
work history and things like that
um
any information off that and probably
so
I know there was kind of training
involved right
right I get it
eventually
well so
um as you know they're remodeling Drexel
and we've seen several trees that have
no dirt around them they've excavated to
the Trunks and
um
you know it's a concerning because it's
the city doing it
to itself I guess you know I I don't
want to say self-mutilation that's a
little bit graphic but
um it does feel like we're hurting
ourselves in in this endeavor
uh
or something like that okay
a project
right away there's a lot of stuff right
well I do think we need to be diligent
you know they were all planning with
private money
you know that was one of the trees for
bexley's first project and again you
know it's it's always
thoughtful about what we do and how we
do it because uh you know for raising
private money for sippy installations
and they have a short longevity it's
sometimes hampers
the fundraising although we know this is
a very important project so it's like
looking at both sides of the coin so
yeah
a kind of yeah you and I have talked
about the Persian Ironwood do you want
to just mention that project's complete
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um
for years now we've had really good
success with them so I think out of the
last five years in the reporting costs
maybe the entry
is that they've warranty so
um
I don't I'm not I don't have any concern
but that for right now okay
free I don't have a string to take down
this as of right now
um
I was wondering about that
all right
last Saturday I was doing Friday
Saturday Sunday
with the heavy lens that we've been
having I mean the trees are navigating
schools
is one particular species of tree having
more issues than another yeah okay equal
opportunity employer right okay okay
um
they are quite aware of it
don don could you help just second Barb
yeah I know but yeah but the door is
heavy uh
thank you
there we go thanks
Central Vex new medium but assuming
that's fair very far from Brighton right
just kind of invite my time hoping that
we could get some a lot more of those
dreams removed so we can do a new
planting that is spaced appropriately
instead of having them
a lot of residents on the street burnt
out of grass and we'll draft
on something free so I've been kind of
been holding off on I have things of
those
in an island
most of the trees were used on that
island you can appropriate
so that would be a fall project with
sphere that I think we're out of my
producer start working on that now
okay
yellow wood yeah we decided on that yeah
do you have anything else you'd like to
bring forward
you want to talk about the free tree
giveaway for the Arbor Day celebration
uh sure that that
I mean it was nice because it was my
problem this year
um
we only painted about 30 degrees a lot
of residents to find another form uh
with all of that or
sign up for us to meet with them one of
the downsides is the residents at a spot
labeling a tree if there's negotiating
with that
so it's not like I could say we're not
giving you a treat because it was a
really bad idea if you're still painting
your three emergency
so
yeah no good deed goes unpunished right
yeah
well you know we can't change human
nature but we can try and increase the
tree canopy okay
okay um before we before we go I'm going
to skip the old business because um uh
Grant and Jim and Ellen and I are going
to have to talk about how we
um start to move forward on the
three-year plan to Enfield Bexley but I
do have this mulch volcano ordinance and
I want to just read it and get it on the
table and not to vote on today
but um to mention that we've talked for
long many years about trying to do
something about the mulch and we have
been unable to do much because we don't
have anything in our in our code about
it so
um Jim Wilson drafted this no person
shall play some Ultra soil above ground
level in contact with the base of trunk
of any tree shrubber Evergreen in any
public Street park or public place
and we'll talk about that next time I
think the mayor has also proposed
something lorianne and the coach so it I
don't think it's come yet he was he was
working on it
um so anyway that is something that you
know we're thinking about and then we
had fifteen hundred dollars left in our
budget after paying for his description
to tree plotter and this was a great
um flyer that green Bexley in swaco put
out and I asked the mayor if we could
use do something this size and send to
every resident about how the mulch is
killing our trees
you know Jim Wilson had made this fly
they were called buried alive and if we
did that I think it gets people's
attention again you know thinking about
we're raising money we're installing
trees and then we killed the trees so we
got to do better we've got to just do
better so
so unless there's something
urgent
I think that we should adjourn to uh
till next June or until coming June I
guess coming June 21st Elena do you feel
you have uh you're at a good point that
we can
sign off for the meeting yes okay Grant
anything Lori Ann did you have something
to bring forward
oh good so okay so Lori answered our
celebrity Bloomer tomorrow
uh uh Roger Carroll who's uh chair of
parks and rec Ford will be our Bloomer
for the following week and then the
mayor on June 1st so that's your
All-Star lineup so yeah if there's
nothing else to come before us uh thank
you all for coming and your good
comments and participation and we are
adjourned