good evening good evening good evening
good evening
thank you for coming to our our safe
routes Bexley camcorders public Workshop
we had a different logo says bike
friendly Baxley there for a second
um really excited that you guys came out
um excited to talk to you about this
concept of com corridors before we get
started I'm just kind of by the way I'm
Ben Kessler mayor here with the city of
Bexley pleased to meet us I recognize
all the faces in the story but it's
great to see you guys
um kind of gut check who's feeling this
is kind of maybe cheesy but who's
feeling pretty good about talking about
com corridors
anybody feeling like a little uncertain
skeptical it's okay cool okay great good
good I'm feeling uncertain and skeptical
JK that's not true
um so I want to talk just real quickly
about why we call this meeting and why
we're here tonight
um and we're going to be tag teaming
with a couple folks who have been
helping out with our uh our bike
friendly Bexley working groups Eric
Bjorn yard
Craig Ness Mark subal
um about three four five months ago we
started open sourcing our bike friendly
internal staff meeting so we've been
working for the past year or two on a
couple Concepts we're about to share uh
but then uh these guys kept on like
emailing and showing up and asking what
was going on and for updates I said you
know what let's just like have some open
meetings and work on this together and
sort of in concert with that and maybe
separately uh this idea for as we've
talked about you know bike Lanes traffic
common infrastructure pedestrian safety
enhancing Grace screen spaces and Bexley
and bexley's just in general calm
environment
um
the this this imaginative idea came
around about a calm Corridor but a
camcorder that Stitches the school
campuses of Bexley together it's almost
like a template for how we can work
throughout our community and I don't
want to give away the whole plot so Eric
Bjorn yard is going to talk about why
we're talking about com corridors
it's bad
yeah so I mean in in a nutshell uh we've
already got a very safe Community for
riding bikes and for walking but we can
do better I mean sadly there's I I think
many of us have stories of
um friends friends children who have
been hit by cars uh for me this kind of
started about eight months ago I've
always been interested in biking I ride
to work for the last about eight years
um but our neighbor's daughter was hit
by a car that that didn't stop at um
uh
Remington in Denver yeah and so
thankfully she was okay
um but there are lots of examples like
that uh I think even within the last two
weeks
um Emily kalusha is here with her
daughter and her daughter was hit by a
car
um going through an intersection right
near St Catharines and so the point of
this is how can we make our streets
safer for cyclists how can we make it
safer for our kids to bike to school but
it's even bigger than that it's how can
we make it safer for pedestrians I mean
there there are a lot of pedestrian
Crossings where we hear regularly we had
an open Workshop a few weeks ago
some citizens were here concerned that
they see cars just running through the
uh the crosswalks on Drexel so how can
we make it safer for our kids to get
around Bexley and then kind of in the
process of that
that really kind of kind of comes down
to slowing and calming traffic
um and there are benefits to that it's
not just uh now it's it's more
comfortable for kids to ride to school
but it's also quieter if you live on
those streets
um it's nicer
um and as you'll see with kind of some
of the initiatives that we're talking
about with calm Corridor a lot of the
things that we're hoping to implement
aren't just going to slow traffic down a
little bit uh and make it safer but
they're also going to like a lot of the
projects that Ben's working on it's
going to make it like more beautiful
more green uh and and make basically
just nicer in general so that's that's
the objective with column corridors
um or concordor and with that I will
hand it back over to Ben who can like
give a little bit of background on how
we got here
and Craig I do have a switch yeah sorry
but there was a great graphic a second
ago oh no
do we want to talk about every map where
we can come back to that later we'll go
back to that later we've we've carefully
rehearsed this presentation this
discussion for this evening
um so I do want to talk about some
current examples of in general what
we've been doing with infrastructure and
Bexley to com traffic
um and you might have seen these started
to pop up around the community so look
for the past 12 years of course in my
position I've been dealing with concerns
about safety throughout the community
from a variety of perspectives whether
it's
pedestrian safety or road safety safety
of people in their yards
um and and generally just the conflict
that we have with vehicles and the the
quality of life in Bexley so
um you know most people call on they say
hey it's really unsafe on my streak and
we have some speed bumps that's the
default I was asking for Speed bumps um
and you might have noticed we don't put
out a whole lot of speed bumps and
there's a really good reason for that
I'm not going to go to the details but
I'm happy to talk to you about it later
um and so we've done other things we've
done active speed signs we have done
you know extra police patrol
um but the most potent and Powerful way
that we can really inform the common
calm
interface with our neighborhoods is with
infrastructure you can put up a speed
sign all day long that says drive 10
miles an hour and guess what people
aren't going to drive 10 miles an hour
in fact I was in a class at a school
that I will not name today
it was just it kind of blew my mind uh
talking to some students who's I will
also not name whole classroom full uh
recent drivers and we were talking about
City policy in general and they were
saying hey can we um can we kick up the
speed on Cassidy to 35
because like everybody drives 35 on
Cassidy so can we just raise the speed
limit and I like looked at them
dumbfounded because I was like nobody
has ever proposed race in the speed
limit backs as I've heard and I said to
him I'm so glad you shared that with me
that tells me that we need to further
bolster our infrastructure on Cassidy so
you don't feel like going 35 which is
exactly what a lot of our Focus has been
with traffic coming so this is an
example recently where we had residents
on Roosevelt concerned about
speed on their street and we did a speed
survey and we did find that this section
was higher than normal uh speed for
secondary Street and we also had the
opportunity
um to be able to put in a bump at it
relatively at a relative ease just
because of the way that storm sewer
works on this section of Roosevelt
Avenue
I don't have a final data yet on how
much it's calmed traffic I have the uh
subjective currently data which is every
time I pull up to it not even
remembering it's there it feels like I
want to go slower
this is South Roosevelt just south of
Broad Street so it's a mid-block between
Powell and Broad Street it also created
a crossing point near the alley
um we're working on a similar concept on
Drexel that's far more robust than what
we say on Rose about so you've started
to see these bump outs go in this is on
the east side of the street you're going
to see mirror bump outs relatively on
the west side of the street and mediums
and areas again just designed to really
calm traffic Slow Down Speed with a goal
to bring the speed on Drexel down to 25
miles per hour
this is an example of a pedestrian
specific bump out on Drexel
there's some really nerdy infrastructure
stuff happening right there with suit
with the storm sewers and drainage that
I'm pretty excited about because if this
works this is the first time we've tried
what's going on here with the grates
behind us we'll be able to easily deploy
these throughout the city with
relatively low cost and uh with with a
fair amount of speed
um and then some recent medians that
we've added to Bellwood
sadly those boxwoods did not survive a
winner so we're gonna have to replant
some of those but
um again designed to kind of draw
attention to the fact that there's an
intersection coming up and traffic can
slow so these are some some of the
physical infrastructure that we've been
put into place in the meantime we're
starting to deploy components of the
bike friendly Bexley plan which was
passed by Council a couple years ago
um we've been hard at work with our bike
Boulevard so there will be bike
boulevards designated through Bexley
north south and east west with way
finding signage special Street signage
along those Boulevard routes and then
Road markings and these are designated
for streets that are already viewed to
be pretty safe for cyclists to share
traffic with uh with vehicles where
Commerce streets a little bit more space
for everybody and so a bike Boulevard
designation was felt to be appropriate
so that's kind of some of the context
about what we're working on going into
the com corridor
discussion
and with that
I'm turning this over to is it Mark or
Eric
I have Eric overview of camcorders
concept but I think you did that
yeah well I guess one thing that I'll
add really quick uh as as Mark dies in
the new examples is the concept that
we're looking or the concepts Eric I'm
going to have you speak with the mic
because we're recording this yeah
all right so really quick the the
concepts here the idea is in general
these are things that we can easily
Implement they're not super expensive
they don't take a ton of time in
engineering
um two they're not just for kids like
these are going to improve the streets
for pedestrians they're going to improve
the streets for you know multi-modes of
Transportation scooters even
um
they will be aesthetic improvements and
then one of the keys here is the things
that we plan to implement on the comp
Corridor are
um like vehicles that we could Implement
throughout Bexley as we prove that hey
this does make the calm Corridor nicer
and quieter and safer and we have data
that shows that cars are driving slower
and kids are feeling safer and there's
more bicycle traffic and so the idea
here is that like com Corridor is also
going to be a testing ground uh and in a
Proving Ground for these initiatives
that that we can expand throughout
actually to continue making back sleeves
safer and more friendly for pedestrian
cyclists and all of that now Mark all
right
well let's talk about the tactics you
can use to calm traffic now these are
all going to be things that urban
planners have used for years that are
proven to help calm traffic both for
pedestrians and cyclists and even cars
as well
so a tabletop intersection you may have
seen these where they're slightly raised
in the center or as you come to the
intersection so what they do for
pedestrians and bicyclists is it makes
it known that there are going to be
people crossing here it makes motorists
slow down because they know they're
going to have a slight incline as they
go through the intersection
also this one this is a a concept by I'm
not sure what the National Organization
is but they've put bollards along the
turns there to make it you know people
can't you know turn right on top of the
sidewalk that type of thing also they'll
be enhanced with um crosswalks and
things like that so a tabletop
intersection is typically like a major
intersection where you want to slow
traffic
um you know with a lot of pedestrians
maybe some major infrastructure or
institutions schools and things like
that
enhanced intersections these are if you
notice anything that can help narrow the
road will help slow traffic and make it
safer for pedestrians so an enhanced
intersection you can see there are the
bump Out Concepts that Ben mentioned but
also then
um you know you can put Plants there
foliage things like that on the corners
enhance crosswalks that are large this
again makes it better for pedestrians
cyclists slows the traffic as it gets
through the intersection and as they
make turns
uh bump outs you can see these Concepts
uh you know this here on the right is
one where you can actually put you know
like plants and and nice things so it
enhances the beauty of the intersection
in addition to calming the traffic bump
outs and narrow the turning radius so as
a motorist you can't you know if it's a
wider turn you'll go faster naturally
when it's the narrower turn like this
and a narrower turning rate is radius
you're going to go slower naturally
again you're narrowing the road
this is something we see more
increasingly also in schools and things
like that where you can cross not only
you know across and but you can cross
diagonally as well and this is in tandem
with uh
whites at the intersections that would
be red for all directions so then people
can cross and obviously it brings a lot
of attention to the intersection and is
you know as a motorist you take notice
you stop and you wait
so this might be a concept you might use
at a major intersection at a school
especially during you know as kids are
going to and from school
this is more bike Centric but it also
helps with narrowing the road once again
narrowing the road by having the bike
lanes and the the turn bike boxes that
helps get the cyclist ahead of the
traffic so the site the motorist sees
the cyclist it's kind of akin to if you
are walking around Bexley and you're
trying to cross the street you've
noticed that all the crosswalks now
there's a five second interval where it
goes for where pedestrians can walk same
concept here with the bicycle it makes
it safer for pedestrians to cross
because motorists have to wait and they
see pedestrians and bicyclists go out
first
bike lanes and multimodal Lanes this is
not just for bikes it could be scooters
it could be the scooters you see people
riding
um these again if you look at the
dimensions here it actually Narrows the
road for motorists and when the road is
more narrow you're going to go slower as
a motorist but it's also safer for a
dedicated Lane for cyclists to get to
and from safely
and Ben just showed the concept of the
mid-block crosswalk again as a motorist
you take notice of this infrastructure
in the middle of the road it's also
safer for a pedestrian to cross and
here's that concept again on Roosevelt
where you have that mid-block crosswalk
which has slowed traffic down
anecdotally
creative crosswalks now if you're a
motorist and you see a crosswalk that's
white you're not going to think anything
of it you're kind of like blind to those
but if you see something with more color
something maybe a different shape
you know some different designs you're
going to take notice and so it's going
to slow traffic down it's going to make
it safer for people to cross
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well yeah
excuse me
yeah well first sorry for your
the issue that's horrible
second of all yeah I mean that's just an
evil person right yeah so
uh yeah I can't say that these work in
any sort of you know but yeah no that's
unfortunate that's horrible incidentally
I talked to the um
uh the I'm not what is it Andy let's see
service director for city of Bexley and
he has it on his task list to at least
enhance the white lines that border it
because we know that that pain has faded
foreign
right so that's the concept of as a
cyclists unfortunately if there is no
infrastructure for cyclists you have to
in order to be safe you actually have to
take the lane which means you have to be
in the center of the lane
and nine out of 10 people do not like to
do that so your options are
oh no for sure
yeah
yeah all right we'll keep the last last
concept here okay I'm down here
a signage I guess you talked about that
at least I guess is this
there'll be signage along some of the
the calm Corridor routes for cyclists so
and then the idea
is all of these different tactics are
kind of strung together so that feels
like a place where you're going to
encounter by suppose you're going to see
pedestrians you're going to drive slower
all right who's up next
mark
my name is Craig Ness I am a Bexley
resident for the past six years I am a
bike commuter and I have a family who
commutes to school every day by bike and
scooter
um so we want to make sure that we have
enough time for us to talk about some of
these Concepts but before we do I wanted
to run through as a group some of the
places that we think are key
intersections or key parts of this
Corridor where we might add some of
these things from the toolkit that Mark
just went over
um so I will run through them uh and
then there'll be time for a discussion
afterwards
so
uh as Ben mentioned up front this is
something we want to use up front to
connect the schools
um so starting in North Bexley we saw a
couple opportunities at intersections
near Maryland Elementary School one of
which is casting him in Maryland
from observations and from people we've
spoken to this is an intersection that
has a lot of pedestrians and cyclists
Crossing this is a place where we could
consider the tabletop intersection that
Mark mentioned if we had something that
was raised or elevated here that would
add more visibility and emphasis that
there are pedestrians and people
crossing the road here and it would give
vehicular traffic more notice of other
people using the road
another intersection nearby is the one
at Maryland and Remington in this case
what's different about this intersection
is we do have walk signals and a traffic
light so not only could we consider that
raised intersection here but we could
also consider the scramble intersection
yeah
thank you
oh yeah
okay
yeah
no thank you okay
message from home thank you
um this is also a place that we since
there's a signal here and a stoplight we
could do the scramble intersection
um also known as a pedestrian scramble
uh in this case as Mark mentioned the
lights would all be read at once and so
all vehicular traffic would be paused
and in this case the people who are
crossing would not have to worry about
which direction they're going they could
Rock diagonally or any direction here
without worrying about someone turning
or going across and running the light
uh along the same lines the intersection
of elm and cassingham this is very close
to the elementary portion of the
cassingham school this is another place
where there is a signal as well as a
busy intersection so we could consider
that tabletop design uh as well as the
scramble
we will also be uploading all things so
right
all right are we good we're live live to
the nation okay
um a few more to run through uh so this
is Elman castingham close to the main
campus of the Bexley high school and the
Central Schools
uh next is Remington in Maine
um this is uh an interesting
intersection it's a bit tricky and I
we've had a lot of feedback from people
uh at this intersection and also at Main
and cassingham which we'll get to but
the thing that's unique here uh is that
if you are crossing and trying to go
straight from South to Central or or
vice versa the intersection has a bit of
an S curve in it so that can get a bit
confusing for cars and pedestrians and
cyclists in this case this might benefit
from having all of the lights uh turn to
Red at once so that people who are
crossing can do so safely and and feel
safer as they're traveling through
so this one is very close to the
Montrose Elementary School it also
provides a gateway to South Bexley and
to Central
uh we've talked a couple times already
tonight about the mid-block bump outs
this is the one that's already installed
in Roosevelt but we could pepper these
in some key places uh along South
cassingham and North cassingham along
this Corridor this gives the advantage
of an extended curb if there were cars
that are parked near that extended curve
or if it wasn't extended if you are a
pedestrian you don't have as much
visibility but if it's sticking out a
motorized vehicles have a better chance
of seeing you if you're standing closer
to the road this way
uh next this is an idea and a concept
for a cycling infrastructure Improvement
between fair and Sherwood
um we've done some observations uh that
a lot of uh foot and bicycle traffic
happens uh to and from school on casting
him between Maine and fair or between
Sherwood and fair uh we feel like this
is an opportunity to consider a
dedicated bike lane in this case it
could travel bi-directionally and there
could be a lane on either side we've
measured this road it's wide enough to
accommodate vehicular traffic as well as
bicycle traffic and it could happen on
both sides and we could do some bike
infrastructure here
we would have to talk about the um
the cars that utilize parking that are
close to fair but for the most part the
majority of this street is not utilized
for car parking
uh lastly this one uh is also another
one of those tricky intersections where
if you're Crossing across uh if you want
to stay on casting ham you have to jog
over uh we're still examining this
welcome to anyone who has an idea about
this because it's a tricky one
definitely heard about some close calls
or some actual uh times when pedestrians
have been struck in this intersection so
it's an important one but it also
involves a lot of factors with the
businesses and Main Street and the fact
that you have to jog over
okay
turn it back over to Ben thanks
all right so
we're actually not going to do next
steps yet that's a very it's just a
misleading slide ignore that slide for a
second we're actually going to talk
about any questions that people have and
just open it up to General brainstorm
about what we've talked about I do want
to a couple things popped into my head
as we were sitting here first off we
were talking about uh current
infrastructure I did not mention that
um on common and Commonwealth Park on
Columbia we're going to have kind of the
mother of all road diet projects where
we're going to take a lot of what was
talked about here narrow the street but
that it will have a tabletop crosswalk
so some of the mid-block crosswalk
illustrations that you just saw were
tabletop crosswalks
and I'm going to pass around this book
for other fellow imperfectioners to just
leave it through the mess around that's
the National Association of
something something that creates a lot
of the exhibits and Concepts that we're
talking about tonight
um and the other thing is I think um
just uh a question was kind of briefly
talked about what about when you narrow
the street you're really sort of setting
up a conflict between cyclists and
pedestrian safety and that's something
we've talked about a lot
um because there is a sense in which if
a cyclist is not comfortable sharing the
road with a with a with a car that you
are sort of choosing are you
highlighting pedestrian safety at
crosswalks and in general throughout the
city with slower Commerce traffic or are
you highlighting cycle of safety and
I'll say that it's it's a tough question
because sometimes
it you do have to choose are you
highlighting one or the other a b
axley's unique
um and it's a sense I mean we are and we
aren't but we are unique in terms of
just our exact neighborhood Fabric and
we're doing a lot of these projects and
we're studying and we're learning so for
example we're doing this Drexel traffic
common project we're gonna be watching
very closely how that impacts cyclists
how that impacts traffic
um we're investing in this but
infrastructure is as much as it seems
fluid
I mean I've already seen projects that
are now 15 or 20 years old that we're
like looking at again how we're going to
do this next so we're constantly
learning and evolving through that
thought process
um and there are places where we would
want to highlight bike infrastructure
bike safety in other places where we
want to highlight pedestrian safety and
ultimately if traffic is calmer
um then bikes are ultimately safer
because in general it's a calmer
environment for safe cycling and the
last thing I don't think we really
highlighted a whole lot is I think the
vision is that this com Corridor would
also be a bike Boulevard so we would
have some of that additional marking
some additional enhancements that would
really suggest it's a shared roadway
throughout
and having that if you guys want to kind
of everyone who presented step up with
me and help me uh navigate any of the
questions
ideas thoughts that we thought so you
guys might have
Alex
um
because of the severity of the parts
in comparison like the ones that are
mostly around the city
you only imagine that the speeds are
very interesting to develop a broad care
to not necessarily
because like people go faster on the
internet
but what can be done to
help reduce the
theft crosswalk more than just kind of
vision
so somebody alluded to one of the
changes we've made in the past couple
years is where we've created almost like
mini scrambles where there's a five
second lead time for pedestrians at all
those crosswalks
and we've studied the routes to
understand like where especially with
pedestrians and we'll get into cyclists
a little bit more but with pedestrians
where is like the route that if I'm a
parent I'm going to say to my kids hey
cross at this crosswalk and so the main
crosswalk is casting Hammond Maine
just running right in front of the CVS
where there's a median in one section
um traffic turning southbound isn't is
is either choosing a right or a left
turn so the yawns are quite the same
amount of through traffic it's basically
like a three-way intersection as opposed
to four-way so for pedestrians that was
one of the first intersections to get
the lead time it has some additional
signage on it and it's designed to
really enhance that crosswalk to go
north from South Bexley at Broad and
Cassidy we have similar changes although
we have some turn restrictions because
it's a four-way intersection and we
added flags that don't really ever get
used but in case anyone ever wanted to
use them there are flags that students
could use and we're constantly studying
those intersections from pedestrian
perspective
so we'll
we have Center meetings and Broad but
the medians are placed
where there aren't turn motions into
properties so we have to be careful
about where we put them they can't they
are currently optimized like as curb
Cuts get eliminated we have more options
down the road we would love to expand
the medians but they're kind of where
they can be on Main and Broad if you
guys have anything to add about well I
mean do you want to I think you could
speak more than I could almost but we
did talk about bump out some of those
intersections but you brought up the
challenge of bus routes going through
there too and having a very conflict
yeah so uh right now we have
Peak restrictions on parking on Main
Street which means when it's a rush hour
if you can't park on Main Street as you
guys know hopefully no one's ever gotten
towed but that that does happen
shouldn't bring it up
um so would I love to have bump outs on
Main Street 100 like what Short North
just recently did where it's sheltered
parking it Narrows the street it slows
traffic the problem is
um even at three o'clock when that
restriction is out of place we start to
get a huge backup on Main Street of
traffic coming through add to that the
fact that Central Ohio is exploring bus
rapid transit
that bus Rapid Transit will need a
dedicated Lane so we don't want Main
Street to turn into like a super wide
thoroughfare
I would frankly destroy Main Street so
how we we need to be careful about
preserving the lanes of travel we have
and then solving some of that through
policy and parked cars can be some of
our best friends with that because
parked cars do calm down slow down
traffic
um and and are an excellent solution to
slowing down traffic when we have wider
roads sometimes
so traffic was a nightmare
um
and as much heavier now than it was
before
so yeah please celebrate please
there is no repair on the street
incentives
that's fine you mentioned that because
I live on Remington so one blocking east
of casting and so
um all of this traffic calming
theoretically makes my my street a nice
restricted drive up and down if passing
hand becomes the quiet industry
um but I think ultimately if we can they
pass again more calm that more south
before Lord then we create one safe like
really Ultra safe space for pedestrians
and silence but you're right what we do
on one street affects the end of the
streets it's a good point
it
might be an idea for babies as
Wellington
they can keep going they want to go over
and people go that way
if you don't want to process with that
fear yeah
so so actually
um
uh is this north south Corridor but once
you get to Sherwood because the crossing
at casting him and
um Maine is so on here you've been using
the idea is then once you get to
Sherwood you jump over and then
Remington becomes the most out at that
point but also
real quickly piggyback that not only is
casting him a little clunky but
Remington borders mantras so cassingham
doesn't so and there's a signal there so
it's the it's the best road to cross
that will also connect to the other
elementary schools
um
yeah and I also think it has to do with
how far east or west you are and stuff
obviously
um I would as a parent and I know your
kids are going to want to do it I would
because it's a three-way intersection at
Maine and cassingham and we
on the East crosswalk we just have a
safer condition there I would I would
encourage them to take that that leg
again they might not want to but it's it
doesn't have the REM currently the
Remington in Maine has a little bit more
complication with some of the left-hand
turns some of the stuff that's going on
that's some of what we're trying to
hopefully solve Alex
but is it possible to get an entire
but I know we can't do the newspaper
inside the blue but like a solid and
blocking detonated area of the Audi and
my family but I think I feel like that
helps with as far as having a dedicated
visual comparative fights and kids if
they're going to cut down on how to get
to ask him to be able to Preferred
acrossing because I do agree I mean I
feel like Roosevelt is better than
anything about these experience but I
think it's based on Plenty of men yeah
you want to understand that traffic
those hours
so we did repaint them yeah recently
um
so the white line is now thermoplastic I
always call it elastomeric but yeah I
mean the thermoplastic and the thick
Line is now that will last a lot longer
the creative paint and stuff that was
like more of a
not as long lasting
yeah we'll continue to maintain it the a
lot the thermoplastic is long is a lot
longer lasting so it won't need to be
repaired all the time and that's the
most important I think line
um and I'm you know if you want to add
moose tracks go for it nothing against
it and I wanted to comment a little bit
on
well you know we got a little bit of a
which I had this frankly is not a huge
concern but ODOT sent us a letter a
couple letters actually about the
colored crosswalks because they don't
comply with Ohio traffic manual
um
they're real costs they are real
crosswalks and I wish that I had been
there when you had that confrontation
because I would have had some good words
for that
motorists and by the way speaking to the
like look and feel the crosswalks like I
think all of these tactics have an
opportunity to improve the Aesthetics of
that that street that intersection and
so crosswalks there are lots of
different ways that we can approach that
with like there's some beautiful
thermoplastic options out there so they
can be wider they can be green and white
and look classy and who knows maybe we
develop our own Bexley brand template of
crosswalks yeah
um what is interesting just while we're
learning it up in thermoplastic is way
more expensive than you would think we
we got a quote to make the pride
crosswalk permanent at the library and
it was like eight thousand dollars
um actually bump outs with curves if
there's no drainage needed are less
expensive than thermal plastic Alice
like in Bexley or in that throughout we
don't currently have a dedicated bike
riding vaccine
at the moment we have several quarters
we're studying right now for bike Lanes
yeah but there's nothing currently that
we can point to and most of the examples
regionally provide plans and you guys
chime in about this but a lot of them
are on like busier streets yeah yeah
Summit so they're not exactly analogous
to someone with that but
yeah I mean hopefully this if there is
appetite for testing one then we'll have
before and after data to prove the model
right so
one last thought about I think
um Remington is a Crossing totally
understand and as a parent I also know
that there's so many so much I can tell
my kids to do it but they would do
um cassingham one of the things that's
really compelling about casting in for
bike Lanes is it is the wider Street
they can physically fit by doing so you
will visually narrow that street
uh there's not a lot of every house
that's on it has alternate parking
um either right in front of their house
or nearby because they're Corner homes
and
um
and and when when as you drive that
route in the morning like it is just
flooded with student cyclists that is a
super busy cycle is true Remington does
not have a physical space the casting
has for that sort of a solution you
looked at a lot of different ways of how
to handle that
and I would love to hear from anyone who
lives on roads yes
maybe they should be walking down
but they don't every day they walk down
hundred percent is that Remington from
um
kids lunches
so we say bye but it's
um I honestly would love and I don't
know if you guys would be okay but
considering like traffic direction as
well because it would be wide enough if
you made Remington One Way North yeah
passing him
you can honestly have a circle of
traffic Paris would eventually known as
training okay I'm gonna go out this way
and come down that way like I don't know
if one of those streets or something but
next thing would consider but if it was
a one-way we didn't have a designated
life thing and we could even possibly
widen the sidewalk one or two
um I know my neighbors supposed to have
a little bit of a size but
um so you're really here to get their
bushes
you can do that
weekend and that side was you know I
would honestly love and experience
I'm here for it thank you so uh we
looked at that I mean that Remington and
casting was like this back and forth of
like what can you do I think there were
some limitations on Remington right so
the chat what the re the reason
Remington is how it is is for a reason
it's not it's it's that the right-of-way
stops Where the Sidewalk did edges and
the sidewalk today is not conforming
with 88. so what that means is there's
not enough room to get past the driveway
apron so the sidewalk does this the
whole time which is not a good sidewalk
it also gets snowed in when the plows
come down the street
um if you were to make it one way the
concern we've had with one-way traffic
and we're open to everything like we're
fun right so we'll look at everything
but uh one-way traffic increases speeds
that's the big negative so if you don't
have conflicting traffic to mess with or
to think through as as a driver one-way
traffic will will just make you feel
better about being fast and that's why
we've they are all sorts of really
interesting options for one way around
the campus especially like what you
could do with one way but the thing that
scares us is how cities are actually
getting away from it because of the
speed conditions on one way streets
having said that
if we really wanted to go crazy on
Remington yeah this might be a real nose
to non-starter but what if Remington
were a pedestrian Bicycle Alley where it
was not open to vehicular traffic other
than but that's the reason why and we'd
have to figure out the alleys a little
bit with that interface as they they
dump in it might turn out that those
alleys can't interface with Remington
um but it actually complicates the new
services but that's all the sort of
thing like I'm I think it would be those
are sorts of things that we're really
interesting to study is like if we
really looked at this a different way
does Remington carry critical vehicular
traffic north of Sherwood
I I don't know one of the things we are
studying as part of this conversation is
exactly how many bikes and pedestrians
are on Remington and on casting that's
important data that helps
yeah we're just talking about mainly
sure yeah
yeah I mean to piggyback the main defer
specifically is where that condition
exists I don't mean but that's where
that narrow Rite of wood yeah
yeah yeah
it's a challenge because of limited
integers one other thing about Remington
that I've noticed piggyback on Libby's
comment is there I've observed a lot of
people using that route as well and I
think also part of the reason is people
students can go in on both sides of the
school it's not all entries on
cassingham there's also interested in
the back right um for the high school
and Elementary so I think that raises
the amount of people that use it as well
intersections to make can you just do a
list of
uh Chronicles
that would be ideal yeah and like if
you're living when you get some very
well and you might see people not
understand
that's cool yeah yeah they're often
painted yellow yeah yeah
well I think oh just just to add on that
like so again with the column Corridor
the idea is that we're able to test
that's something that we could test at
one of these intersections or one of the
intersections
um there are a whole bunch of different
topics that we can employ that will make
it easier to cross that will slow cars
down and make it safer for the bikes and
so the idea is we test a bunch of these
on this order and then we get a feel for
what do motorists like really complain
about what's better or worse for
actually slowing personal intersections
or getting cars to come to complete
stops before they go or making
pedestrian engine cyclists more useful
and we can attack the Remington
pedestrian Biker Alley you could test it
for like a month just see
how it impacts traffic that's really
yeah okay
you know I never do any of that on them
and of course it doesn't hurt me
yeah
I work over at cscc on base right here
and we have two pains and one of them is
closed they have those little bear keys
I'm at the ground and so you can't drive
right so it could have been something I
really didn't response but in a dream
world if you wanted maybe just a few
hours of when you can get into and from
school making therapy Maine and
Remington and it would at least prevent
people from turning on and using it
maybe eventually within our own anything
on cross streets
the streets and like
something wrong about his life yeah it's
a long line for the street yeah it's a
big problem mainstream
yeah
Ryan we just have to make sure there's
nobody like driving over top of them
when they start coming out there yeah
thank you first thing I put this thing
let me write that down
confession yeah
um
but what I did want to ask about was the
change management strategy for this
thing regardless of which sweeties end
up getting identified as the optimal
once I know I know that there's a you
know it's human nature like not in my
backyard
response to anything that's going to
affect one's immediate facility and just
some of the thing the
increased use of bicycles I think
there's a lot of data and you know maybe
some modeling it but not maybe the they
became is a little bit more compelling
it but that's I don't mean to say what
it's super important you know if you
thought about I think passing has really
challenging survive when I drive my
fun to find several children
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by health and safety improvements right
but I'm also so I'm curious about like
what what influence would be like what
gets what gets better gets in and try
like what
have we thought about you know keeping
it is there a running list of all of the
miners and adults that have offended by
by motorists and that's like do we need
do we know what percent of our community
or residents that use something with
wheels you know a whole time rather than
that I mean they
that sounds like a really important part
of the story in addition to Elizabeth
potential you know positive impact of
having
it requires in the school could it be an
incentive meeting for students to not
use their parents or I also wonder how
many families
could have one arms instead of two if
they never grow their chaos whatever
they almost never drove their kids to
and from school you know because that
also I keep waiting Elizabeth that also
could actually have a really tangible
impacts effective impact
does
well we have we have data yes a lot of
different types of data points we have
great we have great traffic crash data
we have bike cyclists crash data so we
hit and resolve data for that
um we have volume data that we can point
to we don't have a good
um I don't know of a good quantification
of how many people are using multimodal
Transportation or regular basis in
Bexley and I'm not that would be an
interesting thing to try to abstract
from this and I think in terms of change
management so this is like we're here in
the petri dish of a change management
experiment which is
um all the letters letters went out to
everyone who lives on cassingham knowing
that we're gonna talk about bike nights
um we are talking about a school
corridor which is an excellent way to
get talking about safety writ large and
Bexley and how to be creative about our
safety plan it's a lot easier to talk
about student safety and kid safety
um and to uh sort of push for cultural
change through that than it is to just
like pick you know another Corridor that
you can't directly tie to this so for us
this is a way to
um everything you said is valid about
data but also just say like pull a
little bit on appropriate heartstrings
to say that this is but this is an
opportunity for us to enhance safety and
you know learn from the different sorts
of tactics that we can use and then we
have a case study it's a lot less scary
when you say well you know look at what
we did over here as much as the main
street medians did cause some
consternation you know we were able to
actually there's data about that to show
that we didn't actually change the
traffic pattern on Main Street it might
have calm slowed it a little bit but
people still had all the access to the
same turns and so that when we put
meetings on Broad Street we had that
data in that example so then Bradstreet
was literally no opposition Main Street
was some conversation Broad Street was
nothing because Main Street we had to
point in now we know people hit mediums
on Broad Street a lot more than I do on
Main Street so we have a whole we have a
whole different set of information and
challenges so I think this is a great
way to kind of move forward with some of
these Concepts even as some of that data
is getting gathered that makes sense
thank you raising on a good point though
too which is
collect data before we Implement these
specific measures so that we can know
this is the impact these measures have
and then we can feel good about rolling
them out versus it feels necessary so we
should think about it
hopefully there's that too
question I love the idea
um can you go into further detail with
what that means for the cars industry
yeah so you mean driving cars cars
yeah so there would be no parts cars
okay in that section
if you do bike Lanes so if you do bike
bike Lanes in this yeah
correct so yeah
and let me explain a little bit of there
so just south of Bexley High School on
casting him until he didn't Sherwood
okay I know we so here's the challenge
good all right I know all the ways
yeah but I don't
I'm just man because I see the fights
meaning in and out of the bars I see all
of our cars I don't have not let my kids
to fight into middle school yet right
because I don't feel like they're the
same problem so
yeah I hear that and that's actually so
there are a variety of interventions
that you can perform bike lanes are a
fantastic intervention for a cyclist
when you have the space to do it and you
have
the the the trade-offs are acceptable
and so there's probably not agreement up
here about what the trade-offs are for
bike mates and recycle tools but if we
take away parking in the areas where
parking is like
vehicle houses don't have access to
guest parking other than in front of
their house which is not the case for
casting himself the fair in the north of
Maine then
um that's a whole other level of
conversation right and we don't
physically have enough space to have
parking and bike Lanes in cars without
we actually literally don't have to say
yesterday some of our streets we do but
it would take out the trees move the
sidewalks further out and it would be a
trade-off that most people probably
wouldn't be super happy about
um but we're like
I guess so in my opinion this is just my
opinion and you guys please chime in
with any counter advance but like our
current approach is how can we
surgically look at like areas where it
does make sense it is additive it can
happen with minimal trade-offs and sets
kind of the tone and set some examples
another place we're looking at is
Roosevelt between Fair and Main there's
an interesting opportunity there as well
and some desire from those residents to
calm the traffic so bike Lanes both slow
down traffic because they narrow the
street and they also provide a safer
router cyclists the other place we're
looking at is Maryland on capacity so
Maryland North on Cassidy that would
require some more radical reworking of
the parking on Cassidy but you can
accommodate one side of parkinac acid
potentially in two two ways like lanes
and traffic so those are some of the
places like we're looking at can we do
it and
and then we'll be able to talk more
openly with residents about like okay if
you really want bike Lanes on your on
your street and it makes sense hear the
trade-offs and is it something that can
work with the community
do you guys want to add anything to that
because I I no I mean it's good I think
that strip is a good testing ground you
know just to get people you know pros
and cons people used to it and then you
take that case study and see if it can
provide apply other places so
yeah if you look at the cities that have
rolled out bicycle infrastructure like
over the last 10 years in the US
oftentimes it starts small and then you
have success there and you scale level
and I think the same thing here part of
what we're looking at with this is
um
the ultimate safe estate is a
separated protected bike but there's a
lot of challenges with that we just
don't have wide enough streets in almost
every scenario so then what is the best
option kind of give them what we have
and also
like we're kind of leaning towards the
character as opposed to the stick
because there are things that you could
do like we could put in a protected bike
lane and remove parking and make streets
one-way streets and a lot of people
would be really happy with that and so
like what's the happy medium that does
create this safe environment for cycling
and walking without taking away much
from from other other residents who are
worried about storing their product
foreign
bike Lanes I think we did one side of
parking bike lanes and traffic yeah but
not on the street parking on both sides
that Arrangement why that might not be
safe for some incentives yeah but I
think we talked about the potential
drawback to one-way streets but if we
had a one-way Street and there were cars
parked there and you know that those
parked cars can provide the protection
for the bike lane uh which is again or a
bike lane like in the in that strip
right so then you have a lane for
driving in a protected Lane if you could
do that and it's a one-way
that would be another solution
and we're I mean I gotta say we're like
we are solving a problem and that's good
I think in general enhancing safety but
we also have
generally we do have we're benefiting
from having slower streets we're
benefiting from generally having a grid
that we can work off and it's a good
canvas to work from which is you know
well I mean I guess it's uh two part two
I'm still just thinking about casting in
some ways you guys are telling us the
first card that uh students they slow
down the traffic
but having also ever thought about like
making hard cars move during this
weekend during 7 30 to people per year
you know so it means people won't have
to look at it I mean if you want to
present to the neighbors
that's a great it's a very creative
solution that's not off the not off the
table yeah
right yeah that's it
character you can probably make it
happen
no I mean do you think about your Main
Street
yeah right and
I came here tonight because I still feel
like
the School Zone
Complex especially is
and then
we are
like we it'd be so much more ideal to
have a dedicated bus area that does not
interfere with traffic
whether it means like they're not coming
up tracking them the way it does yeah
yeah I mean there's some some schools
yeah there are some schools that have
had success with the immediate
surrounding streets not having vehicular
traffic
um yeah it's just for people walking or
biking to school and then if you do want
to drop off in a car you can do it from
a block away and you're still very close
but not the immediate one
getting on
I personally I personally love that
um but that's one of those favorite
versus thick things and that's a stick
and people who want to drive their kids
and drop them right in front it's super
inconvenient but
um maybe it's just inconvenient enough
that you walk your kid to school and
walk and a half instead of
driving them
we have an anniversary during their kids
so literally well some of them less than
a walk to Maryland every single major
like blind he named some names real
quick yeah yeah Eric's got a clipboard
he'll watch yeah I've got a long list up
here
let's talk about next steps
um so right now it is conceptual when it
kind of socialize the media is just to
get some of this feedback which is like
been really helpful
um the next step is we would work with
go back to our Traffic Engineers
and start talking a little bit more
about
specific I think I mean
Craig did a great job of showing some
specific treatments for specific
intersections come up with a proposal
and then pitch that back to the
community and
um there's a lot of asterisks in terms
of like how does storm infrastructure
work with this because that could be a
big dollar amount how do uh you know
how do some of the traffic engineering
concerns get assuaged but I would love
to see this be a 2024 project
um with even a possibility that some of
it maybe happens in 23 because very
limited amount uh casting him in Denver
is getting repaved this summer so there
might be some opportunity to work on it
so um
then obviously like anything that's
going to impact somebody's parking
pattern gets noticed to those residents
so they have a chance to have feedback
so
it's a fluid sort of like develop the
concept more more solidly gather some
more information provide better exhibits
to show what we're talking about
communicate back to the stakeholders get
more feedback and then we're timing this
hoping that we can put some of it in
place next next spring summer but one
one thing that we talked about earlier
was the bike boulevards and the signage
for those that's a hope for 2023 yep I'm
not mistake
every time we meet the bike Boulevard
has changed so we need to really like
figure out where are these bipolar Parts
but we're getting there yeah and those
would connect
to some of these possible ideas that we
talked about tonight on the corridor
and those are primarily Savage that's
not infrastructure yeah it's signage
it's yeah designation and making people
feel maybe a little more comfortable
sharing sharing the traffic yeah
thank you
yes
for our children for our whole Community
I know it's not happening
well one of us I know but you guys are
thank you thank you thank you
movement I would love to say that we
live on South Pasadena right across from
Destiny Elementary School I love the
idea of the ways
um
generally that intersection we feel the
environment as possibly but I think
we've seen we love the five-sided delay
you know on the lights here at friends
from other neighborhoods who came and
visited
that was three years of fights by the
way with electric Engineers I just want
you to know that on Main abroad not so
much guys every time what the table top
Elm and casting that intersection uh yes
um
how do you feel about losing your
parking be cool with that
thank you you know change uh because
allowed to have a part
um
it's tough but it is so there's no
biking planned for where he's at so he
wouldn't be impacted correct yeah
correct but I do agree uh it is crazy
um
yeah I'm reticence yeah and I'm
registered to get too specific into the
schools
specifically campus without having the
schools present for the being
um I will say
we have a couple things that we are
working on in terms of driver education
to signage I think that it's gone
this past year feels to be different
it's got a little
more crazy than normal and so
um specifically around the intersections
we're going to be starting to do a very
obvious kind of in their face education
campaign about like not appointing the
middle intersections like if it's just
cooperate in front of crosswalks where
the driver's distracted some other stuff
that's most most obvious
um there's a there's a lot to be said
about this weekend I'm sorry for sure
well I think speaking of schools too
there's also something in common with
earlier an education component for the
students
um yeah so some kids
um ride bikes a lot have parents who
ride bikes and Coach them and others
don't and so I think especially as we
get to the point where home portal
becomes real educate the kids on how to
use the Clone Corridor and how to be a
good cyclist too like I don't want a
victim blame cyclists
um but we can like we can get better as
well and be safer and part of that I
think you were mentioning taking a lane
um that's one of those things that like
a strategy that especially when the road
is tight uh it's safer to take the lane
than try and ride over to where the car
thinks they can squeeze by uh and they
go for it but there's that education
involved with the students
says yeah
but
um
that was born
four years ago
um our extensions that wrote lines this
is what you aren't allowed
to actually remind me
going down
and same as four years ago
looking so important than change and now
he's thinking right right
everything
first off I'd like to do a shout out to
Mrs warnicky because she was like the uh
she she ruled with a great passion and
love
um and I would imagine
yeah I'll pass that along to
I'll pass it along to the schools and to
the PTO mattress
that's a good point
well that speaks even to like a bigger
issue here too is if it's not safe for
kids to ride in the street they ride on
the sidewalks and they're right fast on
the sidewalk so you don't hear them
coming behind you and your dog goes over
your kid your three-year-olds it's just
so we need to make it safe for kids to
be able to ride in streets and for cars
to be super aware that they need to have
their eyes open they need to go slow
they need to be ready to stop
any last last question last thoughts
okay thanks so much guys for coming
um
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