we will call to order the
may
what is today
12th
uh 2022 bexley architectural review
board
uh can we call the role mr strausser
yes mr heyer here mr hallman here mr
scott here adam tony here
uh this is the time in the meeting that
anyone in the audience can come in
and give us some public comment if it's
about something that is on the agenda
tonight you can save that for when we
pull up that applicant but if there's
anything else that you would like to
come and speak to the board about
in regards to architecture or whatever
um please come forward and uh
so
so i'm bill reed i've been in mexico for
about 27 years
live nearby here so first of all
mexico's doing a great job on so many
things from trees to architecture i'm
actually an architect by trade real
estate developer
pet peeve i have and i don't know if
it's in bexley's um
uh
standard or language anywhere is is this
lighting where people are doing
the bluish
in other words there's warm white all
the new led light bulbs
there's all different kinds
and
i see it on houses where sometimes you
have the
some houses on each side the front door
have actually
one bluish one and one warm white and
it's like how do they not even see that
and um
so anyway it just you know we have a i'm
with sessions and for a long time we had
to write a lot of standards from that
just as a suggestion the warm white is
so much softer and nicer for residential
streets
and and i know when we did the broad
street or bexley did the broad street
lighting we did the white versus the
high pressure sodium orange
so
lighting is important and warm white
works better in a place like baxley and
if there's a way to just sort of
recommend that
versus letting these people do this and
also i think you already have some where
floodlights can't go with other people's
houses and things like that but the
color is important that's all i had so
thanks thank you
we're actually working on design
guidelines and that might be something
worthwhile to add into it
otherwise if it's lighting that
but if it's lighting that's from a
neighbor that's going onto a neighbor's
property that's irritating that would be
ability
or anyone else's property
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and it really ruins the neighborhood
we can also require that they be
shielded if it's a neighbor's father's
life
it is a little bit of a tough issue
after the fact
for existing houses because then we
always have i mean
we could add that to a a reasonably long
list of stuff uh but then there's this
balance between um
in the ability to enforce and the
ability to check and the ability to
permit and
it's just but to do it to get go when
when the when the cases are here i think
you're absolutely
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it's surprising people aren't aware
awareness is key
thank you is there anyone else that has
a comment for the public
okay seeing none uh our next order of
business is approval of last month's
meeting minutes
did all the board members get a chance
to review those and
any uh
changes or updates or are we okay to
approve them
so moved
second
oh second
call the role
strouser yes mr heyer yes mr hallman yes
mr scott yes madam tony
yes
okay uh so we have a few uh
applicants that have asked to be tabled
at the last minute so i'm just going to
read through this list
we have application number arb 22-7 and
the address is 933 vernon that applicant
has asked to be pushed to the july 14th
arb meeting we have uh bees app
22-14
which is also arb 22-12
the address is 227 north ardmore
they have been asked to be pushed to the
june 9th meeting
application arb 22-1 which is addresses
501 north parkview they have also asked
to go to the june 9th meeting
and arb 22-22 address 789 south
remington also asked to be pushed to the
june 9th meeting so if you are here to
address any of those applications they
will not be heard tonight
and so we just need to vote that they
can be
uh pushed to those meetings do i have
someone that will make that motion
second
we'll call the role mr scott yes you're
hired yes
mr strausser yes mr hellman yes madam
tony yes
the next order of business then we have
four applications that we have put on a
consent agenda which means that we have
all reviewed those applications they
have made the changes that we have asked
for
um and so we are going to have one vote
on all those applications so
uh they are application arb
22-23 the address is 318 south columbia
application arb 22-24 the address is 229
north roosevelt
application number bzap 22-19 the
address is 292 north cassidy an
application m a
what is m a it's a short application
that comes just to me oh okay
never seen one of those before 22-106
the address is 2756 dale avenue
and so is there anyone in the audience
that would like to speak about any of
those addresses
okay seeing none then we just need
someone to make a motion to approve
those four
applications
i don't
i would like to make a comment before we
go to the vote if it's all right sure
um i wanted to point out
that i think the drawings for
318 south columbia are really a model
for what we're looking for with entry
porches
i mean it was just so refreshing to see
you know the the details uh the sections
understanding the
you know the column plan base you know
with the with the uh porch versus what's
happening above at the roof of real
understanding so i think the arb should
use that drawing as an example for other
um applications that are going to have
front porches i'm really happy to see
that i want to say that for the record
you're not talking about the style but
you're talking about the details that's
right yep
well and i i'll still go further just
your night for praise um
that would be a classic before and after
yeah
yeah classic yeah
basically i mean john it is going to be
his house and his new wife
we looked at it and there was a lot of
things out of proportion and and
something like this is so simple to
change and i appreciate the comments
it's just
paint colors shutters weren't the right
size didn't have the arch tops so there
was just three or four things and i said
you know you don't have to do much and
it'll be perfect so anyway thanks a lot
great job
okay so i just need someone to uh
move to approve those for
applications
second
call the role
mr scott yes mr helman yes mr hired yes
strausser yes i'm tony yes
thank you thank you very much
okay so i believe our next order of
business is bzap 22-8
is that correct
okay so the address is uh 415 north view
the applicant is amy lauerhouse the
owner is brian and bridget marsh
and karen will give us a little staff
report on that sure um this application
was before the board
twice yeah we can't find the podium
yeah
that's our new podium
um this application was before our board
twice um just by way of reminder at the
last arb hearing
we um
granted a positive recommendation to be
zapp
with
the ask that a condition
that the applicant come back here for
final design details
um be part of the part of the approval
and that's they did exactly what we
asked um and it has been approved by
bzap so it's here for its final design
um review
uh kathy may or may not have i think i
attached
did i attach the record yeah i did i
attached the record of decision um all i
would ask we don't need to repeat them
all from b zap but all i would ask is
that if approved the condition just be
that it you know is approved for
certificate of appropriateness with all
the conditions listed at b zap as part
of this approval as well
and those were required to simply based
on the variances that were right right
and things like i think you're in the
middle of tree going to triumph yes
commission so right all the typical
things of a new build are in motion and
have been conditioned by bzap we're here
today for final design
um approval just to kind of jog
everybody's memory this house has been
through
um quite a few renditions and changes
based on feedback from our board the
last we left a lot of the changes to the
positive have been made by
by amy
and the board was pretty pleased but
asked to have some study done to the
roof scape that's on the
north side of the building oh yeah north
yeah and the elevation right and the
approach
to the south right um i'm gonna let amy
speak to her changes but i would like to
point out that earlier early today
i received based on board requests and
my request amy this elevation which i
think is very helpful
um to show the approach from
on the south just uh in the same manner
that the rendering was already done from
the north so
um right there's a lot of documentation
here so why don't you just i'll hand it
over to amy unless you have anything to
add from b zap kathy i don't
think of anything
no she's already submitted for the
training public garden commission
um
so if you just want to talk about your
changes or
the choice not to make some changes
whatever you want to do and then just
tell me what you want brought up okay so
can you swear i was giving you this
morning please state your name amy lower
house
from the testimony you're about to give
this evening is the truth i do thank you
uh okay so yeah just
kind of two
really main changes and then a couple
other sort of detail things
um i am in the process of working with
the tree and gardens commission
and
if you want to bring up the landscape
plan first karen
um the the number two there second from
the top yes
so if we
if we
zoom or scroll down to the front of the
house
um
we had talked about
some doing some additional screening
along the auto court
i did talk with our landscape architect
about doing oh
we have the wall continuing across the
front of the garage to the left here
and then there's one pier on the
right-hand side
we feel that's too close to the tree to
do a continual wall there
so we are doing a an evergreen hedge
that starts at the right side of the
pier
and goes to the property line and then
backwards and then inside of that is
also
some additional plantings as well
so i think it's going to give a really
nice
feel to that whole
auto court it's going to be heavily
screened basically
on the
all around the right and up the up the
side
um
the
second thing was
if uh karen if you can bring up the
elevation
sheets
um so these are um
the the tree and garden commission
wanted these rendered with the actual
landscaping
so all four elevations are now rendered
with the actual landscaping that's going
to be there um but also if you scroll
back to the um
the north elevation
the two pieces on the right hand side to
the right of the tower i've lowered we
talked about lowering that roof
structure um yes and so i've lowered
those two feet um which i think not only
gives that a nicer proportion but also
uh again makes the tower that much more
of a special piece
um i did add some more
detail to the top of the columns but you
probably can't see it at the scale
but i did add a cove mold under the
column cap
and then as far as the if you can go
back to the new south elevation
rendering yes
we i talked with my client about adding
a door here
but they really didn't want to put a
door out of the laundry room onto this
side of the house so
i really think it's a nice elevation it
has a lot of change as far as height
massing um it steps in and out several
times and then along with the
landscaping that is shown there proposed
i actually think it's a quite nice
elevation um so we decided after talking
with my client not to change anything
architectural on that side
um i think that's all i have if you have
any questions
is there a board member that would like
to go oh
okay sorry we're going to do the
audience first is there anyone in the
audience that would like to speak about
this application if so please come
forward
okay no one uh is there a board member
that would like to go first and
giving comments about this
i just have a couple questions
we had talked last time about how the
shingles are going to work on the turret
yes so i did look into pricing
a synthetic slate which is
the the da vinci product actually has a
turret package
right now
dimensional asphalt shingles are about
three hundred dollars a square and
synthetic slate is over twelve hundred
dollars a square
um so it is just
um with we're getting prices back right
now and it's it we my client and i agree
just feels like it's cost prohibitive
um to use any kind of synthetic slate
product even for just the turret like if
you just did the turret
i guess i'm asking because i the second
the follow-up question is how do you do
the shingles how do you do asphalt
shingles on a turret that are going up
to a point
um without making it look
i guess none of the builders that are
giving me bids have asked have had any
questions about that or they have their
roofers so um
i i guess i'm not concerned about that i
i see lots of turrets around in asphalt
and my second question or my second
topic is about we had talked about the
the lintels the curved lentils on the
curve and how you're going to approach
that are you going to do smaller stone
pieces or i'm going to do brick yeah i
did a little research on that and i'm
still kind of
my client does not want to do brick they
they kind of like the the cleaner look
so
i think if
once they pick a builder and i'm able to
talk to their mason a little bit more in
detail
i would either if we can get something
prefabricated there
um i would prefer that but we may end up
doing the stone the synthetic stone at
yes
because you would have to match the
radius exactly right
right
and a lot of times the orders have to be
put in way before the stone is put up
right that's right
so that's that to me is a make or break
on this design yeah i if the radius of
the lentils is not matching the radius
of the turret it's going to look
terrible right
yeah i'm i'm not again i'm not too
concerned about that right now i i
those are kind of things that we need to
talk to the actual installers and before
before they're ordered and exactly what
we can do and what'll look the best i
would like to keep it
even if it's synthetic i would like to
have it look like limestone
that would be my client's goal um so
we'll just see what the mason says well
even limestone they can cut to do this
yeah it doesn't have to be synthetic it
doesn't have to be precast right but
it's just getting that radius yeah
otherwise
it'll it'll look like a mistake yeah
um
and then the last thing is we had talked
about the stucco and how you're doing
like the wood trim
that's on the stucco and the old houses
would flush out the wood instead of
having it all projected did you think
about that more yeah i think um
actually i just measured a house today
that had a beautiful detail with that um
and yes we would prefer to have it
the the trim would go on first and then
the stucco would come up to it that's
the way that i would typically detail it
and not put the st the trim over the
stucco right but and the trim will be
stick out more than the stucco or
or close
usually yeah it would be close i mean
the trim will probably stick out a tiny
bit but
it the id my idea is that it would be
fairly close to being flush yes
well you know that the issue we have
today in the building world is that
you know there there is basically a
modular way of building and
a lot of the
workers don't
they apply the same standards for
modular building
to something as special as a turret yeah
and they don't
work through all the details so it's as
you know you're going to have to be on
don't worry i will be
that's a lot
uh mr scott you want to go next
sure
um
i i love the fact that i like your line
cat elevation is better than any of the
renderers
so i i've been following this when i was
at the original i missed last month but
um i was listening but i think the
changes you've been doing in the details
uh look great i think it's a very
charming house
i totally agree that the details will
mean to break it um but um
you're obviously in the neighborhood and
and we'll be watching this
as we know so
i don't have any other comments related
to the design of these craters thank you
thank you
strasser i have nothing
i
like it
thank you it's well done and and i i you
know
i always appreciate bill's
comments on how materials come together
uh and because those will make or break
this house so um i i i'm appreciative of
his
suggestions uh about what to look for
and how careful to be during the the
process because sometimes
as we all know
something can exist on drawings and then
you try to find it later on and it's not
there
so you know that's that's a downstream
thing but you well you're well aware of
that so uh
so i uh beyond that i have no issues
like it's it's well done and it'll be
it'd be a house that
not everybody'd like to live in
thank you very much
and i have nothing new i appreciate all
the changes that you've made and uh
accommodating all of our requests so
thank you
thank you okay is there anyone that
would like to make a motion
i'll make the motion to approve
second
would you like me to read the findings
oh yeah okay i'm sorry the architectural
board
the findings affected the decision of
the board for application number
bcap-22-8 for property located at 415
northview
the board finds a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued noting
that the design of the new home is
architecturally compatible with the
neighborhood
as submitted and in accordance with the
conditions of the board of zoning and
planning approval from the april 28 to
2022 week
and then mr heyer's motion mr hellman
has seconded so i will call the roll
miss strouser yes
mr hellman yes mr scott yes mr heyer yes
adam tony yes
thank you
okay uh the next application is arb
22-14
the address is 908 grandin the applicant
is jillian dyer
the owner is kathy levine
or divine i'm not sure
to pronounce the pronunciation of that
sorry if i botched it
uh karen do you have a uh staff reporter
i i do well i don't really have a staff
report but i want to do like a quick
little introduction because we have
three of these tonight which are um
applications for solar panels on the
front
um facing roof
front meaning front street the street
that the house is facing
those are the only kind of solar panel
applications that have to come before
the board according to our ordinance um
board members and the public
if you took the time to look at the
staff report which was just posted today
so i don't expect that i did put
together a little spreadsheet checklist
that is based on the architecture of
viewboards responsibility within the
ordinance so not the whole ordinances in
the beginning of your packet but
pertinent for this board to these three
cases that you're going to hear
we're just going to go down
and review the things that we're
responsible for at this board right now
not not whether city council will change
it eventually because i do know that a
lot of people are aware there is an
ordinance on its third reading and to
change
some of this but we are responsible for
as it exists right now
and so i think the best thing to do
is to just pull up the drawings and have
the person sworn in whoever it is
professional or owner and we just go a
through e and address those issues do we
need to see if there's anyone else in
the audience that wants to speak about
this application first
well that's i need the person to speak
about yeah okay okay
you mean about do you mean audience
members yeah yeah i think we should do
that to do this first okay
it's kind of like it's kind of like a
staff report in progress because we need
them to answer
but let me first pull up
um
the drugs
yeah so we'll need that applicant to
come up and be sworn in
so who's ever going to speak if you
would both stand by the microphone okay
and please raise your right hand and
let me know your names starting with you
jillian dyer uh with ecohouse solar
and i'm kathy levine
the owner along with my husband
please raise your right hand do you saw
me swear from the testimony you're about
to give this evening is the truth
yes
thank you
okay um i think the best way is just to
go through
a3 and talk about the different issues
that our board is responsible for
evaluating then you can talk to whatever
issues there might be and the audience
members if there are any that would like
to testify um a is that the rear and
side locations are always preferred any
installations on front roof facade
should be justified by proving and
providing an analysis of why the front
facade is necessary in order to generate
viable output so if you want to talk
about that i know that
i i can bring up
the maps anything that you have in your
packet that you'd like me to show
um here is here's a good kind of front
yeah um so that is the front of the
house we also had an irradiance map if
you could bring that up yeah i can bring
it up i'm going to tell you we're having
a little trouble with some of the i
think it'll still serve your purpose
yeah but that's okay um it's a little
um
distorted but there there it is so what
side of this is facing the front
the
left side in the picture that's where
all the front panels are being proposed
yes
so
typically in the northern hemisphere we
do not install solar panels on the north
facing roof which would be the that top
side um of the house because they just
don't produce enough to make it worth it
um
for the customer
you may have some
solar companies that will try to
squeeze some out of that but we just
don't think it's worth it um and you can
see on the uh
other side the south facing which would
generally be what we would prefer
for all of our panels to go on we did
have to move two of those because there
are pipes and just the geometry
of the roof would not fit enough panels
so we did have to put i believe it's 10
on the front in order to offset
enough of the electricity
usage
in the household it looks like 12.
it wasn't did they move 12.
i was looking for the site plan
i think that's a good
is this an accurate placement of
where they're proposed yes i think you
have two that were submitted
yeah there was an earlier one um
where once we came out to do a site
visit we saw there were two pipes on the
roof and we couldn't fit the other two
so it went from 10 to 12 on the front
yeah
and then those two other
south facing areas are two shaded um
these two
yeah do any board members have any
questions is that how you want to do it
do each thing at a time or go through
all of them
well i just have a question and
and so in this drawing here the bottom
two
panels are not there
because of the pipe or that's this is
this is the installation suggestion yes
this is the final
draft yeah i guess my only question
would be uh one of the things that
uh that
is convenient if we can achieve that is
kind of a
geometry that is
um reinforcing
and so
can these panels be done in such a way
that they're not off-centered on the
roof but there is an equal amount of
area between the edge of the panels and
the roof on this side the edge of the
panels and the roof on the other side
can that be done
because geometrically when you look at
the house that would be a nice
reinforcing element as opposed to being
you know there's more area on one edge
and it it feels then like off center on
the roof um i that is a possibility we
would have to have our engineer go back
out and do another technical site visit
just to make sure that the spacing for
the
racking
would be proper and up to manufacturer
specifications to make sure that the
actual roof structure
would allow us to drill into the roof in
those sections we
otherwise what would end up happening is
the racking would extend outside of the
panels and i think that would
we don't like to do that no i mean it
appears like it that ought to be a
doable kind of thing and i just think
for from from your vantage point
approaching the house and seeing
everything kind of lined up will be a uh
make it
fit in more yes yeah i think as long as
the
structure of the roof would allow that
there would be no reason we couldn't
and just to just to confirm this one is
not the valid one right
that is not that's the old one
i just want to make sure that we're
going to enter into the record the
correct dated one so okay that's the
right one 4 8 20 22.
yeah because one of the other drawings
actually shows the panels turned
90 degrees from this drawing right
so uh that's a different different one
larry what what are you referring to
like the front facing panels like all
ship being recentered on that panel or
that the that the distance between the
edges
that if i'm looking if i'm in front of
the house here's a roof edge here's a
roof edge and the space between the roof
edge and the panel on this side is equal
to the space between the roof edge and
the panel on the other side so that the
the the solar array is not off-center on
the roof because because it is a visible
part of the house and it's just gonna
it's just gonna feel
it's gonna feel odd and you you wonder
like
why isn't that centered on there but if
i may if you look at the picture that i
wonder if the
chimney has anything to do with why it
was no i was going to add that actually
i
would scrape it because
the
the two windows really squared up
because i if you match up to the windows
then i mean it's going to it it'll it'll
hit the line over the windows and um
it's something i think
you're going to shoot down but
i guess my only comment is based on this
uh
slope of the roof
do you want to go to the second
thing
if the solar panels should be
complimentary to the root's color as
turned by the architectural viewboard
and you're using just black with the
black grid
yes and that that would be typically
um okay with this board and you are not
replacing the roof correct it is going
into this roof
um
we just did replace the roof with
exactly the same roof so i can't a newer
version
i can't tell if that's the old one or
the new one
from that photo but the roof is that
color yeah okay
okay the configuration and profile of
the assembly should be complementary to
the roof line that's termed by the
architectural viewport that's what we
were talking about already installations
to minimize the number of corners and
should avoid complex or non-symmetrical
configurations i i
just need to hear from the board i i
think
we have two different opinions but
i'm looking at this elevation i'm sorry
looking at this elevation it might tell
you a little bit more about whether you
want to have it aligned
that the wind the two windows
are centered the correct way on it
that might be more important than the
chimney yeah i would agree with that
so you just need to shift them all
toward this so that they're centered on
the windows
i really think you know again some some
things we do are advice oriented um
because having have us having brought it
up
if it is skewed you'll always see it as
skewed so yeah that's what happens just
to follow up on that you indicate that
that might not be structurally advisable
because of the way the legislation works
i am not sure i would assume the way
they did it that way was either
structural or
for setback purposes um
some jurisdictions for fire setbacks um
some jurisdictions make you
include you have to do it 18 inches away
for 36 inches away from the chimney not
just from the sides for the firemen when
they get on the roof if there's a fire
that they can access the upper portions
so there's like a three foot all around
the sides yeah so they may have done it
for setback purposes if not we can i
don't see why there would
be any reason maybe that's something
that
i think the point would be the closer
you can achieve some symmetry with that
without infringing on some other
countering issue
the better it will be
and you may even we can work this out
outside of this but you may even be able
to put
one more panel on the second sloped roof
behind the lower a
and just do
two three four
just do ten yeah just do the five just
five
and that would give you a better
symmetry it would take out one
one panel yeah i believe we measured
that when we came to do a site visit um
and we
we wouldn't be able to fit one
under that a we
tried to reconfigure it well you're
talking about on the back side of the
main gable adding another one back there
you're getting close to the
yeah oh down valley i see i believe we
couldn't fit it was just barely too like
maybe three inches too long but it would
have hung off is this another vent here
yes
okay yeah i mean we can we can work on
this but the goal would be to to keep
this
as centered as we can
um because those two windows it is going
to look awkward from the street not to
have it in centered on this what's wrong
with that next set of roofs
that have no panels too shady yeah
that's the north facing it just wouldn't
produce
i'm talking on the south side there's
blue
oh on the back they're too shaded
so those are
hard to see from this they're different
elevations um
so those are shaded by the front part of
the house and i believe some trees in
the back
kathy i have a question for you just
because i've never looked into this and
i am interested actually for my own
house when when i look at the roof you
are leaving a couple panels off because
you have a vent coming out
have you looked into moving the event so
you can get an extra panel or two has
that ever been
it was a consideration
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yes which is
back to the plan of the roof
yeah so you basically are leaving off at
least one
uh
and and possibly two i don't know how
the other one would have fit in there
but because of that little vent so
you've got three you got two with the
gap and then one and then you've got
three on the bottom so you're leaving a
whole panel off because of a roof vent
did you look into moving that roof vent
at all to see if you could get another
panel
so we do not any longer cut any pipes or
move vents um i am did you have that
discussion with michael
no okay uh they put a hole in the solar
panel
no
and i asked that because we we get so
many applications where there's just
giant gaps because of a little of a you
know one vent
and i've never had anyone say well you
know
we're going to move that vent so we can
get the extra panel on like it seems
like it that while you're doing all this
work
you could move the vent maybe to the
other to the north side of the roof and
have
another panel
i
have no idea whether that would be
possible what the cost would be to move
the vent
um
that's not on our brand new
edition is it our screened in porches no
no that's part of the house itself
that may be another from the band option
on these things i this is you know
because this is all being worked out
is why there aren't smaller modules
legos right and so they're a smaller
panel could fit right next to that
uh and then a fourth panel could sit
above it and
you don't have to move the thing but
you've got the extra solar and plus it
filling it's filling in if you will
uh more of the base form of of of the of
the array
so you wonder why they don't have them
that size
to to fit issues exactly like that going
around that
the stack we all learn through this
process too
yeah so my question is
are solar panels getting smaller more
efficient um they are getting more
efficient uh they are getting both
larger and smaller um
there's more there's more um variation
for different kinds of roofs um
yes we typically only order
uniform size panels it is more difficult
and more expensive to put different size
panels on the same system
it looks like this one has micro
inverters it would
that would be possible i don't know that
we would be able to order
custom sized panels they typically come
with either 60 or 72 cells
standard so that would increase the cost
um to get custom sized cells
well from the air from my point of view
on the arb i'm only concerned about the
panels on the front
and that having 12 versus 10 to me
doesn't make a difference
it's the same visual to me in fact if
it's less it's going to it's not going
to even look as good because you're not
covering as much of the roof
yeah
so
um right so you can center it that makes
sense and then
what are the color options i mean not
the actual solar panel but the frame
for this um how many different color
options do we have
just a couple it's just the silvery
color in black
so we're using black yeah i believe
these are black um
and the solar panels always are
perceived as black aren't they from
anywhere or down on the ground
yeah or
semi-reflective so blue i mean for this
if it's a blue well in columbus it's
gray yeah
so right so my question you know to the
from as i'm looking at this thinking why
would we do black when your roof is gray
because it's just going to make it stand
out even more in my opinion that's why i
was asking about if the roof was staying
because i think we normally do try to
match those frames to the roof
as well if you do a silver frame it is
really gonna
look
very important
your photo of the house makes a roof
look greater than it is
yeah
i recall it because there's an operating
auditor's website and it does look dark
yes
the edges are light but the panels
themselves are black you don't really
want to see a ribbing pattern on the
roof no right
so that's the dow i mean
so you know contextually they seem i
don't know they seem better if they if
they're a singular mass you can see them
sorry
you can see how marketed how dark it
actually is here well it's it's really
just a
i'm trying to work through understanding
how many colors are available for these
frames and if it can be if they can be
powder coated you know with multiple
colors
if there's 10 if there's five it sounds
like there's only three right now which
are the three you said
silver the the ones that we've ordered i
believe are just black if you actually
want to pull up the
plans there is a spec sheet on there
that'll show the yeah i was looking
through the plans trying to find the
color yeah if you go down i think it's
page seven or nine
so for arb submissions it would be
really helpful if there was like a
a submission sheet for solar panels that
included color
you know the arrangement the things that
we're looking for should be on the front
sheet and so we don't have to read
through all this stuff because
we understand you're the expert in all
of the you know the energy efficiency
and how the power works and all that
we're just looking at profile color and
arrangement
that's it so this is all very
you know nice to see how professional it
is but it doesn't really help us because
we just want to see those things like
all in a row at the front of the
submission
is this what you're looking for
yes yeah that's the color of the panels
that we have available right now we are
also being faced with supply chain
issues so we are limited in what we can
get but it'll have darker edges where
does it say the color
um it should be
in one of these lists
so in the interest of time if you know
it's
the shape you know the shape i know it's
going to be black or flat
black anodized aluminum
oh it's black anodized aluminum so we'll
have a sheen to it it's going to
actually be reflective
it's frame it's not super reflective
but it's not matte oh there it is i see
it it's a mechanical specification i see
it
but again it's like looking for a needle
in a haystack you know if if for arb i
think we should make it a
may we should make that part of the
submissions where we
list those things at the beginning of
the submission that's all
so
yeah i'm taking a little more time but i
think it's important for future
submissions and for my clarity
the the drawings are showing
a silver edge but it's really a black
edge
correct i believe so yeah yes
it's important so yeah yeah these the
edge of these are black so that so these
drawings are not representative of what
will actually be installed but she also
said supply chain may change that well
these are what we can get so that was
part of why we had to resubmit
so i'm can you show me where in the
drawings it says silver
no it doesn't it's the picture
everybody's looking at the picture
right there that's the upper edge
yeah standard
their application specifies black
framing which is to the right of that
yeah
there right there black frame black
anodized aluminum okay black is fine
okay
supply chain or not
are there any other questions from the
board
so overall we're reviewing this as a
certificate of appropriateness
for
that they've met and or exceeded the
criteria to allow panels on the front of
the house correct to set a precedent
we've allowed them on the front before
this would not be the first one it's
we've done roosevelt we did south
roosevelt north roosevelt yeah it's not
it's not so much that there's a
precedent it's that they're
the city council when they first passed
this ordinance just wanted a more
rigorous approval for front panels so
it's not that you're not allowed to have
them
and we're trying to encourage it's not
that we're trying to encourage people
not to put them on the front but we want
the rigor of the board to look at the
higher standard exactly
higher standard for the front it's not a
prohibition it's a higher standard the
standards are any insulation on the
front roof facade
shall be justified by providing a mouse
why a front facade is necessary right
that's what the charge
the color is complementary
configuration and profile
is complementary
which is another word for geometry yeah
and
the wiring that's fine those are the a3
that i have included in your staff
report
and it just says we should consider that
right i think that what is implied there
is if
there's a reasonable response to those
items then
it should be approved right here in a
certain code section that those are
right yes the code section of that is
1266.14
thank you
just so you know
that's that's what's included in
the staff yeah just reading it
it's to me it seems like they have met
the standard
any other board questions
is there anyone in the audience that
would like to speak about this i think
i've asked that
in case i didn't
um is there a board member that would
like to make a motion
yes do we have a finding sorry the
findings of fact the decision of the
board for application number arb-22-14
908 granted the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness
should be issued
for the proposed
solar panel installation which meets the
criteria established in vexy code
section 1266.14
for the condition that the solar panel
installation be centered as best as
possible on the
in line with the windows
on the front facing room
thank you
and the black's already in the
application so that doesn't need to be
repeated
i have one question before we move
forward um on this
photo of the panel
is the black anodized frame that thin
piece of trim
or is there an additional frame that
covers over the fairly large white
border so that is the frame
those edges would be on the front side
of the panel
which then also have a layer of glass
over them
they do have an anti-reflective covering
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on them so there is there is going to be
a little bit of reflection but it's it's
so it's not so great that it's winding a
pretty significant white frame i don't
believe with that angle you would be
able to see that much of it from the
ground um they're used i think with the
l-feed attachments they should be about
six inches above the roof maximum
um and then laying parallel to it
i
don't think you can typically see that
much
yeah from the ground
possibly i do i think there are two
trees we want to make sure we understand
it's not a black system that's right so
we're getting all black no there's it's
white with the black minor metal frame
and i have seen them on all black but
but i think you're right the glass is
gonna cover over that
reflectivity
as we were talking looking at this
one page it's a pretty sniffing white
frame
we have seen other panels that were all
black
come through
so this white frame up again it's not an
all pure black roof it's kind of a
medium gray
so
that's maybe even speckled with lighter
gray so i'm not against maybe not having
the white fringe i just want to make
sure we understand what we're doing
just about every provider has all black
so that white frame under is underneath
the top glass correct yes
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is the top glass tinted
it is not it's just clear it's just
clear yeah
we were against the silver frame
i'm worried it's actually white frame
with small thin blackboard
i can condition it black with black
subject to review by the residential
design console
the panel
that's right
it's this has been one of our things
right one of the things that
you know obviously the color the panels
to match the roof but then
kind of a uniform black panel trying to
minimize the
and i get that there's minor lines in
that system i don't mind it because it
gives it texture i'm just like the
shingle roof has texture to it with the
lighter grays the darker grays almost
black you know there's a mixture of
colors and this actually has texture to
it so i i would actually prefer this
than just this big monolithic black
surface on the roof so
i don't think we're heading in the wrong
direction here
test case
i just want to make sure we're clear
that yeah
yeah what you're getting
so does someone want to make the
findings kathy have you seen these these
particular panels installed somewhere on
a house um no i have not i've seen you
do you have photos maybe you can show us
um let me see
if we have
any
can you think of any q cells that we've
installed recently
well just it's from the ground
it's actually effects like um
yeah
so
that it's the reason that's white it's
just the white background it's like the
back sheet of the panel
this morning i'm sorry if i thought yeah
just did your name scott bailey
you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening
i do
but the frame is just all black you're
not going to get from the ground we're
just going to
stand all black frame the top portion of
the solar panel
is where you'll see the white back sheet
so if you're looking directly down on
the solar panel if you're on the roof
that's where you'll see that white
is there a lift to the black frame can
you can you send it to the mic
yeah sorry
i'm sorry is there a lip to the if i'm
looking at a side profile of the panel
you know it's x thick and is there a lip
it comes pretty flat actually in the
solar panel it's pretty flush yes
and then there's the white rails i'm
looking at a cross section is then flush
other than the glass it's then flush
it's the white is underneath
so it's the white isn't extended above
the frame is slightly elevated
uh the black frame and then the white is
sort of flush with the cells and then
the glasses over
the entire cell glass is over the entire
frame
uh the glass is within the frame
so the frame is the black part and that
that is maybe less than half a
centimeter
raised above
the face of the panel
and then you have the solar cells
with that white back sheet underneath it
so on the back side they're totally
white
and then you have the solar cell and
then you have
some anti-reflective material and then
you have the glass over that
so all of that is within the white is
within the panel
so you're saying that the reflectiveness
of the glass basically makes it so that
you don't see that white frame from the
street
i don't think you would see a
significant amount of weight from the
street
i
looks like we don't have any photos
that we have installed
if we can it's real helpful to get
actual installation pictures so we know
the exact piece of thing that's going in
because we you know we don't want to
tie you guys up and that the only
comment
yeah
you see that which one
i think pass that to the other
guys down there too yeah but just yeah
so what's the difference when you have
the grid
you can see that
yeah
um one additional question your xr10
rail comes in clear and black finish i'm
assuming it's black to match that that's
perfect thank you for showing that
it's not a white frame it's just the
texture within the black frame right and
i get it from from a straight on it's
very thin black from the slope you'll
see the edge of that black the depth of
the fringe becomes more black
so i guess i guess i just want you to
make sure that you know what you're
buying and i i mean i guess from my
standpoint i'm happy with you just
working with karen
to work out the details and if you you
know
if you can move it to center if you can
do something that looks more cohesive
that's our goal is to just make it the
most aesthetically pleasing as possible
which i think would also be your goal
too yes so um
i i mean i don't know if the rest of you
are okay with this but i'm okay just
giving it to karen and letting her work
through the details with
kathy so that
final design
is everyone else okay with that yes
because i think you could run into
supply chain issues things could change
and i don't want to you know have to
make you come back or anything so i
think just work with karen
she will help you come to the most
aesthetically pleasing
you know final comment on that every one
of these that we do
uh that we can perfect and make
as good as it can be
so that's a precedent to the next one
coming in so that's it's important
because then you're supporting this and
we're supporting the industry uh we're
supporting what you're trying to do and
you're trying to lay the groundwork for
others so that we work our way through
that so that's awesome
the second condition
so
yeah do you understand the findings of
fact yes okay yeah
can i have one second um how does this
gonna delay the installation
should not
if so unless there's some unless we have
to change something last minute yeah but
hopefully
hopefully we can avoid that
recall the role
yes
you are approved thank you very much
thank you very much thank you
okay the next application is arb 22-15
the address is 499 north drexel the
applicant is brenda parker the owner is
mark and cat rhodes the applicant is
requesting architectural review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriate weakness for a second floor
edition above existing attached garage
for a new rec room a single story
edition at the front of the house to
expand the master suite and create a new
portico
karen okay um this application was
before the board at our last meeting
um it was tabled until today
and um
uh ms parker has come back with
some new proposals for the front that
actually the board was pretty pleased
with this project on the whole but asked
her to kind of look at the design for
the front
entry noting that the last design um and
i put a comparison in for you of what
was last month in this one in the staff
report to make it easier for you um
there was a suggestion made and not
specifically but all kinds of
suggestions of how there could be more
of a hierarchy in the front
and that the uh front door could be
emphasized a little bit more so that it
it you know had a better front presence
on the street so
um
i i'll go ahead and
have brenda sworn in
captain
yes
can you tell me what you'd like me to
pull up i'm gonna pull up the new
yeah so we um at the last meeting
it was discussed that
you know the house started out as a
simple cape cod we put a dormer on the
rear which kind of gave it a larger
presence
now we're putting dormers on the garage
which gives that a larger presence
and when we had submitted the front it
was kind of two tiny gables
and it had a different presence to it it
was kind of felt single story versus
you know closer to the story and a half
so
it was suggested that maybe we could
take in and make
a larger gable on the front to get give
it a little bit more scale
we started
the redesign actually with the bigger
gable and integrating a front porch that
ended up being too costly so we scaled
it back
we studied um kind of standard portico
dimensions
um with different gables and they they
just could not get their arms they just
are not didn't like porticos in general
and so they they sent me some kind of
applied
um
entrance scenarios so this is
so it doesn't project out the laning
projects out but it does accentuate the
entrance since it does have kind of the
columnar
and it's tricky kind of mirroring these
two gables together with the with the
eve returns and so i kind of took that
eve return and turned it into kind of a
little um
a little bit of a a roof
over the
the entrance door
and then
we determined that
we're going to vault the edition so that
the window and the gable
and we tried different window
configurations and the circle we thought
was
kind of had the best feel to it
so that will actually come down into the
new master bedroom space so it won't
connect to the existing second floor but
it'll come down into that master
so that's where we landed
awesome is there anyone in the audience
that would like to speak about this
application
okay
seeing no one um if it's okay bill i'm
gonna go to you because you talked about
this a lot at the last meeting and i
don't know that anybody else was here
except the two of us so if you wouldn't
mind going first i would appreciate that
sure uh
just
i love the um the way that you worked it
out
um i only have some small detailed
comments otherwise one is
you're going to need to put a cricut in
here yeah it's going to have to be metal
and it's going to have to be you know i
don't know you could you could probably
get even a
like a forward you'd probably get a 412
slope on that cricket
so it's not low slope and that way this
the snow will slide out but you'll need
a pretty big downspout
right here right coming together i was
wondering how you would incorporate see
you could put a downspout here
and then because this little roof is not
going to be shedding water
uh i mean it is going to be shedding
water over the front door
that you might consider
making an i don't know
almost like a box cutter in a way like
like catching it yeah i think that's a
great idea they would take the water
this way and you'd have a symmetrical
downspout on this side right i like that
and then i would get rid of these
i would just have this be one oh a
single panel i would get rid of these
little okay mid rails get rid of those
those look
faux
oh you're not showing the circular
window yeah i think my 2d didn't marry
up with the final 3d and then this
condition
um
see you have a size here on the smaller
gable but this is really the only place
where you have
a bigger kind of bird's mouth you know
detail could you do something else here
maybe
it just looks
like it's
i don't know
it's one of these typical bird's mouth
details but i think it gets a little i
think it's it was fine when that when
each side of the gable had the bird's
mouth but once we eliminate i would just
do the same one i would do the same size
i know this is bigger but i think that
would help too
balance okay the sides gotcha instead of
doing the big one yeah because the big
one just looks like a big
tooth that hasn't gone through
orthodontics yet
but i love i love the window above i
think that's great i love the siding you
know the way you've done it here the
everything about this the proportions of
it are great
so i really applaud you on this one
just fantastic
that's all i have
uh mr hellman
yeah well i'm new to this so um
but i think it's a
an amazing transformation for the house
that's currently there so um
and the the
uh
the only comment i would have which i i
finally saw in the photo was how the um
the roof intersects the uh the existing
um
roof line of the of the house and that's
already in place so that's a non-issue
and the only issue which you seem to
have handled well before
is stucco coming to the ground and
keeping it clean
because oftentimes without some kind of
you know
datum line or something uh that becomes
uh an issue but that obviously with
existing pictures it shows that's not an
issue so uh you're so far so good with
that so okay
so i have no additional comments
mrs
uh my question was
on the plans maybe on the north
elevation
right in the center all that action the
doors and the
is that existing
yeah that's all existing yeah
all right
the photos
there's some interesting photos in the
back that show
kind of what happens back there so
yeah no i lovely thank you thank you for
listening to bill's suggestions
mr scott
uh i yeah i was i missed this one i i
listened in last week the last month but
i don't remember this conversation so i
might have missed it um
but i do remember seeing the drawings um
i think personally it is it works really
well too i think um you know balancing
out the the rest of the design and the
challenges that that has because of all
the different things going on
it works pretty well i think there is
just some quirkiness to that
front door this location of the double
gables and i think
bringing in starting with starting with
the base you have bringing in this box
gutter and then kind of wrapping it
around that may drive
kind of the design because i'm not
totally convinced this little
shed over the little roof above the
country uh is perfect but i don't mind
it because it's definitely appropriate
and then there's a lot of context
i'm assuming the render is a little
older and the cat is around no i think
the round window is is the proposed
solution versus um
versus the solid gable have you have you
thought of a light where you would put a
light at the door
so there's probably need to be a light
somewhere
yeah so i don't know if you would put it
on the pilester to the left or right
above the door i don't know where you
put it so i'm curious what you what's
your thoughts on i think we can work it
into the two pilasters that are going to
be the single panels
on each side because then it would be
inboard of the downspouts i think we
have enough dimension to just do a
little recess light above the door and
not do applied lights at all
would be better okay
yeah i think i've got it pulled out like
eight inches or so
so we could get you know a little many
resources
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and then did you explore any i mean the
porch
pulling i know you have a great issue
from um i was looking at the existing
photo
so you have a step or two that's coming
off the
little patio front porch
and i guess
my thought is did you look at any sort
of railing
and i can't in my mind settle on what
would be appropriate so i'm not saying
this is something i want to see
um how about we regrade so we're not
there so we're less than 30 inches and
then we don't need any railings
i think the issue is there's you're
setting up this kind of a very kind of
cute scale porch on the front of this on
the side from the sounds east elevation
and i wonder if there's another element
or two maybe it's i don't know where the
mailbox is on this house it looks like
it's at the store
so about where the mailbox would go i
mean these little aspects of this
because
in a way the delicacy of how this is
coming together it's going to be really
important to kind of dress it up even
further to kind of give that homey
welcoming feel
without putting a big welcome sign
off the side
so the light
yeah i must say mailbox
or something but maybe it's a post
mounted box or something
something like that to kind of help
dress that up a little bit okay and i
think it looks like they already have
flowers and pots
that they'll probably continue to have
architecturally i think that's hilarious
and the service recommendation oh yeah
well i think the light is going by code
yeah that's kind of it so there'll be a
light so
and that porch is 30
inches yeah i think we'll regrade the
landscape to make sure that it's 30
inches or less yeah
and then of course
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okay so do we have findings
the findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number arb-22-15
were properly located at 499 north
drexel the board finds a certificate of
appropriate appropriateness should be
issued
for the
this is just for the front portion and
there's it's the whole two-story
addition and the front porch
front entryway and edition
as submitted at the
may 12 2002
meeting of the architecture review board
with the condition that a box gutter be
added above the front door
and then so the stuff that she's doing
to the back is all approved as is
no one had anything to say about that
and then the last and the last board
meeting we all we all liked that so
again the front was the only thing we
were changing so if you could just add
into the findings that everything on the
back is approved as drawing for addition
at the
rear
and single story edition at the front
yes condition do you understand the
findings effect yes
there is someone that will make a motion
please
oh second
i will call the roll
estrazer yes
mr hallman yes mr scott yes mr heyer yes
madam chair
yes
thank you thank you
okay the next application is arb 22-20
the address is 855 south cassingham the
applicant is brs permitting the owner is
nancy smith the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
roof mounted solar electric system
installation with front facing panels
so we don't need to go through all of
the criteria again
um yeah did you just discuss it yeah can
you just pull up the drawings of it and
we should probably have them yeah would
the applicant please come forward and
we'll swear you in while karen's pulling
this out let's raise your right hand and
starting with you ma'am your name nancy
smith your name sir doug upstairs do you
sound we swear from the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
yes thank you
sorry
so i would like to just point out the
photos before we start
before i can't see you to address the
sure our black group has it's a black
roof now too that's what i was going to
point out anybody who hasn't driven by
this is a black group
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newman roofing highly recommend them
yeah it's a beautiful color house too i
like that oh thank you that's awesome oh
great
thank you it is a great it was my
brother who did the colors i have to
give him credit for it
and the roof is dark enough that you
actually notice how dark it is
i just want to point that out so
um
you can go ahead and tell us why you
chose
that you needed to do the front well we
had um we have two large beautiful trees
in our back
and that prevents
them so when they um that prevents them
from taking the solar panels all the way
to the back which is the
where the gable is that's the
rear-facing
so they
took so
there weren't any on the front when we
they gave us you know and then we were
like what do we have to do to get them
on the front because that's where the
sun hits and
so
here we are
and we learned there was a fire in the
middle of our roof which is why they
can't mount any in the center there
there's fire damage in that attic
right here like yeah through the middle
like all through the middle
it's not repaired i didn't notice that i
don't it was that my brother bought the
house in 94 and i bought it in 2003 and
he was like oh yeah the fire damage was
there when i bought it
and
i didn't realize it was they're not that
bad or whatever so brewers didn't
mention it
yeah they said because of the weight
bearing they couldn't
so it wouldn't hold the right now vegas
liability wise
even though no snow will gather on the
panels as long as they're functioning
explosively they're like magical melting
machines
fun tip about solar panels
okay so this is the layout that you are
proposing correctly correct and the dish
is the front of the house
yeah that's our
cupboard
porch
okay
uh
there's the can you go back to the plan
again
is that better to look at it
the big one's better
yeah
so the front of the home is to the right
ms strasser do you want to start
for me this is a challenging one because
the ordinance says we should think about
configuration and
i'm not sure we've seen
bookends
and i understand why you're doing it
right clearly
you know the other
you're not going to want to hear this
but
it is possible to reinforce what's going
on the roof where the fire damage
happens
so that you have a secure roof and you
can still do a solar panel
configuration that was
not this
unusual
i would be interested to hear what the
other
members think
i'm trying to visualize what that looks
like and i know you wanted a little bit
too yeah totally yeah yeah and
it's not consistent with what we've
approved in the past which would be
certain panels across the front
or
something more
cohesive
so i'm struggling with this for a little
bit
i like it better in color if you want to
look
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did you karen do you do we have a
picture from like across the street of
the house
is google street views gives you a
better um
i mean i i put
i can bring up the staff report where i
took
screenshots of google street views from
very different directions i can also
pull up google earth
does anybody else want to go next while
we're trying to pull up an image yeah
this is the back of the house correct
just one one question that's just for
how much edge is needed
um
for for
fire people
against the side you know
so so i thought it was three feet
well i just i don't know if that's a
standard
that applies to our application
okay
so i don't uh you know i can't
obviously we
given it had already been a fire that
doesn't really make a difference but the
uh is there is there three feet on um
each side 18 inches someone just
explained i think there's no way i heard
the requirements
eight is that it eighteen inches
yeah no as long as it's meeting that
standard
whatever that standard is
karen is that cracked 18 inches is that
for what i'm sorry i was poor
so that there's some access roof access
on the side for emergency purposes fire
or whatever oh i don't know what that is
yeah that's that's a fire for firemen to
access that's their code but what what
is the standard
18 inches is it 18 inches and this meets
18 inches
so it does me again we're we don't want
to prove it's not no he's
years ago
why they couldn't run it clear to the
edge and it was because they needed it
for the firemen to be able to walk up
the road
so this particular drawing is necessary
to scale anyway correct it's just a
diagram
okay
that's milo are we seeing the house in
that how do you
another 90.
and that's our beautiful neighbor's
house and we have the white columns
next here's the second house yeah
so the roof is quite flat
oh yeah yeah
especially if you're on the street
yeah well that's reassuring there it is
right there
that's awesome thank you
down on the porch just the roof
yeah i guess my concerns
are a little alleviated by the idea that
there's those two cute little windows in
the middle so you got bigger on the side
and something little in the middle if i
saw that correctly
there it is so the the solar panels are
going to be spread out bookend right
here and kind of above the two white
windows i'm i'm curious why
uh in the in the
pursuit of symmetry
uh why on the front
um
they are two different size rectangles
on the north side of the the front
and why aren't the other two rectangles
the same or the
why why aren't the larger more square
rectangles that are towards the ridge
paralleled uh below that
as opposed to two long ones where you
kind of have that awkward jog um in the
middle
oh i see what you're saying
there's a chimney is there a reason for
that and i guess is the chimney and
trying to maximize the
well the footage
it looks like there'd probably be as
much if not more
i'm just curious why there isn't two two
two two and a third one
uh so they're all going the same
direction
but i think they're different sized
panel let me understand that taking in
right but i'm just curious why there's
not
there's there would be four on the north
side of the roof and there'd be uh five
uh or
at least five on the lower part and
they're they're all heading in the same
direction certainly on the north side
well i i just don't think we're going to
be able to figure this out honestly i
mean
we're here to look at it aesthetically
and
from my point of view right now it
doesn't meet the requirement and so i
think they need to go back to their
solar panel designer and say look this
isn't going to fly
and
where is the fire and where where can
the structure be reworked or at least
beefed up to allow for those panels and
if they can't
you know is this does the did the fire
rip through the hole
that
it was an unknown i don't know
i don't know exactly where the fire
damage is i'm a structural engineer for
instance costly okay i have all that
checked out you might find you can get
more solar panels in the front than what
you're showing right yeah
this uh eco house
is gonna be more helpful to us than the
blue raven that's been dropping the ball
for like six months so
what i mean
if he can make it happen i know but i'm
saying that you don't need to hear your
anger at blue raven right now
but you're saying
until we can get a design unless we can
get a design that has panels all the way
across the front no okay i don't think
so i i'm looking at this and i'm
thinking of other options but again i
think that's for you and the and your
solar panel company to come up with a
better symmetrical design for the front
right you know for instance can they put
more panels up here
you know on this side and then have two
rows of panels and depending on how far
they can come over because of the fire
or maybe you can reinforce a couple of
rafters you know in the roof instead of
having to do the whole fire damaged area
just get enough for you to run two rows
that are all stacked like this running
here and running here that are
symmetrical and then you know put some
more back here i'm just i'm we're only
concerned about the front so if you can
stack up whatever you can get back here
and then minimize two rows or if you
want to reinforce that roof and run a
whole group of them across the front
symmetrical to me those are the options
correct i think that's right
yeah because i don't think we can get
any more in the back not because of fire
damage but because of the trees that are
in the back but that's it's strange that
they would just leave this area open if
that was the case yeah that's true
just because i think the
company is not going to have a good
appreciation for what is aesthetically
symmetrical and pleasing
if they came back with a design where
on the
north
side
the panels were stacked
instead of
and they were the same size panels so
you've one two
three where's the
grouping like
one two three four stacked straight up
and pulled in
because we have to clear the chimney to
be symmetrical on this side
so you can't have these at the edge of
the roof and these you know pushed way
in that's what i'm saying
right there you probably could have 14
panels in the front
versus the
from the fire damage and that might not
be cost effective for them or in the
budget right but right it started as a
game is turned into a less fun game to
be completely
so
that's it we don't need them in the
middle then you're saying for an
aesthetic design or i don't think i
don't think so so all we need to do is
move the ones on the side and have them
be equal
and symmetrical see if i can do a better
job and we're answering the two rows all
the way across the front that's where
the weight is
yeah but where is that you know is it
here is it up here you know where where
are you really having the structural
issue that they can't attach yeah
because if you could run one string of
them up here across
like right here
right is there you're saying is there
nowhere they could go in the middle yeah
i mean that's the question because
from our point of view we would assume
that that you can't do anything from
this edge to this edge based on this
drawing but that may not be the case
right
they're just trying to do push to this
edge push to that edge and whatever's
left over is
you know right
and falling on what karen's doing so you
see what she did she put the three
panels on the top on the north side just
three panels stacked up then you've got
three panels stacked up
and
i mean i might be okay with the two
last
that that's easy right you did something
like that and then you got these two on
the bottom on the south edge take a pair
on the left in front of the chimney
um you know that
seems pretty close based on code and it
does and also that's going to be access
can i ask a question did you even
consider just keeping them off of the
roof and just putting filling the porch
it wasn't strong enough the roof the
porch isn't strong enough to hold the
panels
have you physically has anybody been up
in the attic and you've seen that's how
they found the fire damage and is it uh
is are there what do you what do you see
we haven't i haven't been physically no
i i see there's a bunch of boards that
go this way and a bunch of times this
way that's just what i think
is there right is it is there charring
up there or what there's charring up
there yeah
and uh but that that because the the
roof i presume if there was a fire
the roof had to be refixed right the
roof had to be
i would assume
something had to have there had to be
roofing uh
boards to hold the roofing roofing
correct yeah this is well that roofing
boards just went on the roof well
another story when we did the roof there
wasn't actual boards so in the interest
of time i think maybe we should take
bill's suggestion
right yeah okay so the next steps would
be how do we do next
what do we do how do we do it next i
think that depends on what this board
wants to do the board can require that
you come back here
unless
they would like unless you all would
like to remand it to me what i would be
looking for is some exploration of the
roof issues to see if it's maybe an easy
fix and you can just do six panels or
nine panels right in the middle
symmetrical or
i personally just so the board knows
would be okay with what we were drawing
i don't mind there being a space in the
middle i just think it needs to be
centered on the right
yeah maybe centered among the white
windows
kind of lines up i'd be in support of
that
so i'm okay with the board
remaining it to me to work with you and
your contractor okay but that's up to
them right
looks like most people are
okay
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no i think that's fine i trust you
okay thanks guys i appreciate it sure
we'll get to work well we need to hang
out
oh sorry they have to
22-20 property located at 855 south
casting ham road the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued noting that the solar panels just
meet the criteria in mexico section
1266.14
subject to final review
and approval by the residential design
consultant
with the
suggestions discussed
okay so
do you understand the findings effect
uh folks
theoretically you have to say yes to
that you understand
[Applause]
thank you right
oh
yes
mr scott
yes mr trouser
yes mr
i want to draw it out like everybody
else
yes
mr helman made the motion and
mr mistrasser
thank you
okay uh next application is arb 22-21
the address is 871 francis the applicant
is greg pace the owner is adam dooley
the applicant is requesting
architectural review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a roof mounted solar
electric system installation with front
facing panels
i think you know the drill yeah
and are there their photos on this one
yes uh yes we'll go ahead and swear you
in
please state your names are you've
argued
what's your name sir adam dooley you saw
me swear or from the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
yes thank you
okay well uh it looks like karen is
pulling up your
yes i see i see only plans so can you
please go through the material
specifications
we just saw a little bit different the
ones we just saw yesterday you know that
the last step your application
i'm sorry white border points
so they're different they're two
different panels it's not included in
any of this information oh um
conclude that i'm scott actually by the
way i noticed you mentioned greg pace
um
it's actually these solar panels they're
all black um
already seen norwegian
well i did see it because i was looking
at the 400 wp 203
it was in the previous episode
right this is uh which application is
that
871 francis
this one is oh that one okay
this one was in the 855
cute house yeah thanks
do you see that bangles flag in the
front
you see the bengals flag up front
but yeah
playing super bowl this year
going all the way
okay so the front of the house is over
to the this is the same product right
side of the drawing
that's so that's what we're looking at
there the panels on the
right but the
far right side of the drawing
is right that's
the only three that well i should say
that there's a door
up top that do face the front but it's
very hard to see from the street
the three
that are i think a major concern
oops sorry
driveway
so the ones on the dormer for me are a
no-brainer is everybody else i have no
problem with that yeah so it's really
the only the ones on the slope roof
what a great idea
to actually draw them on what you can
see from the stream yeah
just different angles
[Applause]
this is north
of
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if it makes any difference in the the
three once you're looking at my neighbor
i share the driveway with he wrote a
letter saying you know it's okay
and all that some other neighbors wrote
some letters nearby they also said i
mean they said they were okay with it
and everything you guys can read them or
you mean you really take the time to
read all these you're right a couple
more
sitting at my home that i forgotten
as long as you have an extension cord
they can plug in well i mean that's what
it says right here please no
i don't charge my eb on that
okay
you can go first the very support of all
these all night but i'm having a really
hard time with this one because
that front
porch that
that roof line is so important to that
house it is so visible
and uh really
it's what makes that house to me
and i know it's three panels but that is
and that's about 10 maybe 12
and um
based on the fact that you seem to have
a lot of opportunity here on the other
surfaces
and
i i think it would be a mistake for
the board to approve that
just cut right to the chase there you go
yeah that drops it from what 94 offset
to somewhere in the 80s which would be
to me i would cancel the project just
because of that that just wouldn't be
useful we really don't have any other
space because all this is not south
i mean all these are all north north
north and that as we know the sun's in
the south a little bit because that's
something that would be cool for us so
we go from about 94 offset to somewhere
in the low eighty percent offset if you
take away those three panels i'm going
up the driveway because that is
super sunny there because it's on the
south it's getting direct sun
um for the longest period of time that
section in this section in the back
um which is it is not an issue there in
the back
but those first three i mean that
that'll probably
if those threes aren't there i mean
we'll we'll cancel though
9480 whatever that's that's the offset
what your normal
annual yeah based on yeah typical usage
right now
and that's
i mean that's why we're doing it right i
mean
to reduce and be more green and mindful
is there a roof on the is there room on
the um
east facing garage roof for two pounds
maybe slightly different size but it
looks like it'd be close
we got up there measured
and it'd probably be more efficient well
it would be not as maybe efficient as
south facing but you get looks like you
have two panels on that
on the garage pretty easily
which one we talked about right here
yeah he's east facing or the east facing
roof of the garage south so east is
basically
extensive oh i see what you're saying
right here actually yeah okay that's two
of the panels yeah
larry bo yeah look at look at it from
this angle and that facade or that roof
on that road it's at the garage on the
garage no not on the garage that's the
main house
so we can't see the garage from here but
yeah if you could do east facing
on the
if you go to the plan again
that's two panels
it and also too from an east-west
standpoint you lose production
so
that's kind of where we're looking for
the you know
the best place to put solar is about 30
degree angle facing south and that kind
of the front
porch kind of provides that and does
give adam quite a bit more of an offset
where the problem with the garage on the
eastern front is we couldn't fit him
there and you're going to lose a little
bit of production just because
you know you're going to get some sun in
the morning but in the afternoon
you're going to lose all that sun you
know eight times after three o'clock
as compared to the front we're gonna
have basically sun from you know nine in
the morning until you know summer until
except there's a big tree here
well that tree would be on the east side
so then the sun comes from the south
side yeah so the sun will be wrapping
around from the opposite sides of the
house in the afternoon
unfortunately i share the same concern
um
is there on the south facing
side of the i
you know are there different size panels
and uh could you could you run the south
facing panels the other south facing
panels uh the other direction
and maybe get an additional panel
or two on that roof
so you'd have a run of maybe three
and then two underneath that possibly
i mean the thing that is interesting
about the plan and just
it's so hard to comprehend here is that
some of your panels are going right to
valleys
and others
other areas of roof where it looks like
in this plan geometrically you could fit
a panel
that would with it would come close to
the valley but wouldn't touch it is not
acceptable like you can't put it you say
you can't put it there
but you're showing you're showing
valleys like here look this panel goes
right to that valley
and from the last project we were told
that's a no-no
so
how is it that you can do it here but
not on the other project and then why
not with geometrically this looks like
it would fit right here on this side and
same here
plus on the back side would be difficult
because you're going to lose a lot of
sun just because of the way that kitchen
is shaped the middle portion where the
four panels are so you're gonna get some
shade
wish i had a radiance map because you
can see we just got off the radius maps
and where it lights up in terms of
bright colors
right but but in terms of what fits and
what doesn't fit on the roof that's
that's a different question than where
you're losing solar efficiency
where do the panels actually fit on the
roof is the question and this in this
uh application we're seeing panels that
go right to valleys
which again on a previous project what
we were told was not you couldn't do
that
so in the can you actually do that can
you actually mount a solar panel that's
that close to a valley of the roof
and here too you got them right here
absolutely so my understanding is with
fire code as long as it's you know you
have a on a flat surface you have
watches all around
and the fire department has to have safe
access to the world you know if there's
ever a
apply also to your gable ends um that's
a good question because you haven't
shoved it up on the wall push right up
against the front
um so that's a good question
main gable doesn't have 18 inches at the
north edge of that either
yeah almost showing flush it is flush
yeah you're flush on the on the upper
shaft so
that
based on that that you're losing
potentially three panels just on the
lens yeah
is there a smaller panel that would not
add significant costs that you could
start to put in other places like
you know put a panel here and put a
panel down here or you know below the
through roof vent
you know
well i mean the rgc pan was one of the
smaller panels on the market um
you know there's another
panel on the market it's a it's an rec
or i'm sorry it's a player of 400 it's
more square
i knew i tried multiple designs with
this um
you know with the amount of electricity
the house uses in terms of trying to get
the most production and just get you
know adam's carbon footprint down to
basically not nothing or you know have a
very low
ap
bill
this is kind of this is what worked the
best with multiple designs now it's not
saying i can't go back to design you
know um but
this is kind of the layout where you
know
in terms of measurements too where you
know you know it would fit so
whenever myself and my electrician were
on the on the roof it's it could be
tight so it did you know in multiple
designs as adam's aware of
well but you're looking for you're
looking for optimal design and we're
we're asking for a compromise absolutely
so yeah i think i don't trust down if
this plan works based on your 18 inch
and i want to want to know more because
it sounds like it might have to change
and then we can't really approve
something
and then i actually don't you know you
got a lot of solar panels going on again
we don't really we only talk about the
backing relationships up front correct i
don't have any problem with the high
shift dormer i don't think we'll ever
see this except the edge profile yep and
i don't have any problem with this the
ones on the the front gable on the south
side because if i'm your neighbor i'm
looking at all the other ones anyway if
i don't like them yeah it's ugly for me
anyway
whatever so
uh for me then it becomes a symmetrical
thing because i'm walking as i walk by
i'm seeing that cable in and i have
built up blacks kind of stripe on one
side i'd rather mirror that on both
sides on the north side yeah that's
north facing a sufficient yeah in the
street it doesn't get stopped but not
very much
so i i guess i just overall i would have
been a support of this because i'm not
offended by the south face because i'm
not facing the street
the issue for me is i don't believe this
actually layout is working per your
requirements okay
and i was thinking about the tree there
too and maybe at least for a lot of the
year
it's not going to be very visible
and i i brought that up earlier
someone was sitting close to me said the
trick
aesthetically from the street now i
don't think you'll never see this
neighbor it's the driveway i think
you'll see a little bit more and of
course
don't forget how is this how big these
front lots are too no no i and that's
why again i don't have and i think this
of all of them that shed roof is the
best spot for them it's almost flat
that's where you want to put them even
though they'll raise up closer than that
that was my question that little roof
section that connects the garage and the
house that's we got we got three there
and that's right
but the slope that's on the north side
of that that's blank
have you thought of putting panels
lengthwise that or maybe angle maybe
they're further like up off the ground
an angle i don't know if that's gonna
work
but there might be a minimum whether
it's 10 inches but i mean if you've got
an angle that's almost level as opposed
to
i mean
i'm just asking
maybe again i think
for me i i think we have to push back on
the on the solar panel design to to meet
the owners requirement of a minimum
energy production
and make sure that we get a layout that
actually is compliant
or at least some confidence in what
you're presenting this compliant but i
don't get that right yeah i'm not sure
you get a deal
no it's
you know my understanding to the
setbacks is you know it has to be safe
and hard yeah
up there and so that's my understanding
i do know we work up at 18 inch and we
design
it's basically 18 inches that are built
into our software so we're always it's
also to a safety you know thing for our
crew where we want to make sure that
occur when they're getting up there and
selling the solar that they have safe
yeah because you know what's going to
happen if they don't
yeah or they're going to step on your
panels
put their
put their hooks into it you know just to
get up to you they're going to do
anything they can to get somebody out so
yeah
yeah i mean again i think that's just
based on that because
we can't prove it if it doesn't meet
those requirements for me
uh
i am
pretty uncomfortable with in an
application to pass it had to be a
minimum of 18 inches than the edges and
so forth and then we turn around here
and now there's we've got exactly and
i'm just
i don't know what rules are applying and
it makes me real nervous because about
the last thing i want to approve is
something that is against a fire
requirement
i'm not doing that that's not
interesting
i'm not and so that's got to get
clarified because i'm
i'm not signing look at the aesthetics
right that's what the fire code or not
that is the applicant's problem as far
as no it's my problem
it's fine you can all we can all do what
we want but i would look at it that way
because statute does not say to us
consider whether
it meets the fire codes
i know it's practical consideration for
sure and certainly for the applicant you
have to
have to be
confident
but it impacts the design right there's
also an aesthetic issue of pulling these
panels off right off the edge of the
roofs right and we could talk that's a
really good conversation because i don't
think they belong right at the edge of
the roofs
unless it's part of the design proposal
so i think it's an interesting
discussion that we probably will
continue to have yeah i think for this
one we need to i personally need to get
some confidence in the layout
but i will say again i'm not offended i
mean there's a lot going on so if i'm
your neighbor i'm seeing a lot anyway
that was all right at what point are
solar panels just going to be normalized
i mean
just like clothing changes 10 15 years
is going to be normalized in 15 years
from now so there's products coming out
right now that are certainty is making
that shingles
right the tesla ones but those aren't
approved in ohio yet so we have an
application right now
tesla's but again like that's also like
not in my ballpark of purchasing
at all yeah no doubt and again and we're
not here to make that judgment either
way the issue is all we have is we have
to review it
to miss strasser's point
we can approve this for aesthetics but
if you then go into construction details
and it doesn't conform with the 18
inches and everything else that
is required you're just going to end up
back here so
the way that the ordinance is right now
so the question is do you just you want
to go hone this drawing and come back
i mean i'd rather not come back because
it's you know it's submission i mean
it's an issue i mean you saw me with my
daughter here it's a whole to do i guess
someone watched a kid you know
personally i'd rather get the aesthetics
part that's what we're here for right i
mean right but the aesthetics are tied
to the final layout which we're not
seeing here
i mean that's not what i'm hearing you
know i'm hearing you guys are saying
this you're here for aesthetics the
solar panels on the front of the house
because everything else can be approved
by right
so it's really only those three panels
we are here to look at are those three
panels
front facing now
i thought we were supposed to be
considering things that are spacing this
one
front facing the ones
that's the front side of the house yeah
i mean on the front side of the
ridgeline where is it visible in the
street is that but we have done we have
approved as staff
it's a fuzzy thing
we've improved them with side that's why
that's why i
if you if it well what does it mean to
be front facing i mean if you can it
says front roof facade i guess that's
this is not a front
yeah i i think there's a lot of gray in
there because
you know to say that it's a front roof
means that it's a strictly a gable with
with the slope coming towards the street
and that's not necessarily what all
front facing roofs are
so i think this is in our jurisdiction
to look at this house yeah this is the
front of the house it's actually
probably more visible from the street
than a higher roof that's higher pitched
so yeah i mean visibility from my point
of view i'm okay with those panels but
what i'm worried is that because this
isn't the final layout because we don't
we don't know what the clearances are
that
i would say this i would say that we
would remand it to the design consultant
and
if it turns out that this layout cannot
work and that they need to add more
panels for whatever reason that are
going to encroach on the front that it
has to come back here i like that idea
yeah i'm worried because i'm good one of
your opening statements was we had to
remove these three that was then we'd
just nix the plane and if you had to
rotate them and make more room around it
that's your props one and that means
so you're saying too right yeah i mean
it kind of hinges on these three we kind
of knew that coming in well and again i
say if you lose one or two then just
because of the layout change then that's
going to invest your plans of coming
back
well and the big question is do these
three actually fit on that roof yeah
well this is a diagram we don't we don't
know
if they do
and you get the clearances then you
don't have to come back if you if they
don't and you have to re-modify stuff
that might be front-facing
then you come back if you re-modify it
and it doesn't and it gets put on the
back where we don't have to deal with
the front elevation then it doesn't come
back
okay that gets you
moving yeah
i might have to articulate that
i don't know
i don't even know that there's that much
to articulate because if if we if you
vote on it as it is because if she yeah
and she can keep with with the options
it doesn't work it's gonna
end up coming back if she's fine or
they're gonna kill their brother that's
right that's right now there's really
the two choices
i think i think i'm inspired by pete's
comments about
when you think about the side and the
neighbor you're gonna see a lot of stuff
going on anyway so
uh
there's a careful balance between the
practical aspect of making it effective
and
uh worth your investment
compared to the static part and
my initial reaction was very negative
but when i hear the
sage advice is some of the architects i
guess
yeah and i just think you vote on it as
it's drawn and if there's an issue
that causes it to have to be
reconfigured
the applicant's either going to cancel
the project or they're going to come
back here because they'll have to
they're going to have to get a final
approval by you before they move forward
cover color and that
yes it's black black
so what i'm hearing is that
these front three are too close to the
gutter and too close to the pitch of the
top we don't really know that yet but
we're not yeah we're that's what we need
to figure out right you do yeah well
right yeah yeah if these number of
panels actually fit in this original
that's a great question so how do we do
that because i know we've measured them
our electrician and i they fit and i
know that's the diagram so it's
different than in terms of representing
but this drawing clearly shows no 18
inch border around that
absolutely
the
there's got to be construction shock
drawings that you'll have to submit and
submit
from your
engineers yeah you need a roof to scale
yeah absolutely
thank you yeah i just wanna make sure
yeah karen yeah and to take it to its
absurdity if you're looking at the front
facade
and the panels
and and so the size of the panel rules
and the size of the panel actually goes
above
or edges the ridge then that's going to
look really
yeah i wouldn't do that right
now
we're also learning we need dimensional
drawings
and we need the standards as to what's
going to be from the edges and i think
as a contractor those are things that
you're going to have to start adding to
your stuff or we're going to be spending
more and more time absolutely doing what
we're doing now
they're going to be smaller
to me it looks like that roof is way
more than 41 inches
i would say definitely it is but i'm not
gonna
so we're talking the length of it right
so yeah
41 inches
you have to remember
we're like you might be we're so visual
okay
i guess in my head i know what it is
because i live there i'm like 40 inches
guys i guarantee it fits but your panels
are 41 inches long yeah
and that roof is at least seven feet
yeah so there's i mean so this whole
drawing could be really off it's off
it's numerous not to scale and here's
the here's some here's my point to you
know you could probably you could
increase your panels on the back it may
not even be an issue
because they may fit you may be able to
sit more because the scale of that roof
is just way off right i think that's
going to be something that you're going
to know needs to come back
it needs a scale drawing no i mean the
the rule is that if we can remand it to
the design consultant to work out
because we're okay with these three
panels being there or some of us are
maybe not enough i don't know
if if he when he draws it for midspoke
or at the scale that it is and puts the
panels on at the at the right scale
they may find that they can move
everything off of the front anyway and
then she would they would just work that
out with miss before
and this happens all the time yeah
mm-hmm
no
it would keep it moving
right yeah i mean
it
what's good what's good about this
process is you can get
a vote whether
that's that roof
to to the majority of the board if it
approves it's not gonna
probably not unanimously doesn't matter
if it's approved then you can go ahead
with your shop drawings accurate
drawings to scale to see what fits at
least knowing that
you got a nod of approval for using this
roof surface or not right
that's that's all this vote is for right
for that roof surface
so for
uh but how do we state then that that
roof surface is the last roof surface to
be used so
she knows
yeah but does she know no no they will
use that roof surface because that is
the top itself basically yeah we won't
go in the other side with the angle
and okay but that's but that's my point
if yeah i understand that it's a flat
out ask for that roof surface
you can vote yes or you can vote no but
they're as they're that's what they're
asking for but what i heard is that
you're trying to offset your own carbon
footprint
and my point is that if you can fit
enough panels on the other part of the
house and never have to touch that roof
to offset your own carbon footprint you
should be trying that first
because as bexley we go to a lot of work
to try to make the city as beautiful as
possible and we can hear the details
that we discuss with everyone
and just because that's and also to go
green as one of the initiatives of
bexley too so that shouldn't be passed
over big
going green actually going green that's
like a big thing so that should also be
put in there as well it's not really
part of architectural review it should
be i mean this is architect how is that
in our architecture
but it's
we review things all kinds of things
whether it's a roof to keep you dry or a
solar panel or a gutter or whatever
that's the kind of stuff that we review
and so
my point is this i feel like you should
be trying to use every surface of the
house except that one first
and if you can offset your carbon
footprint and never touch that one that
would be our goal as a board
to not if you can possibly do it and not
touch that roof that would be our goal
if you can't do that and you have to use
that roof then i i think we're okay that
you just make it look as aesthetically
pleasing as possible that's there the
bottom line problem
is that we'll never know if we don't
have scale drawings without scale
drawings i mean you could we don't know
i mean if for example
there's a differential between the front
gable
the entry gable
and there's three feet left over and
that and the so the the but we're
remaining to get back to carrying and
she will get the scale drawing and she
will figure it out
you you don't know how many panels you
could put on the connecting roof you
don't know how many panels you could put
here you you don't know
what you don't know
right yeah but we're basically we're not
reviewing it we can help them
figure that out we don't know what's
going to happen on the front but i think
karen knows our comments today we're
going to be able to vote this through
her
and my my process with all these solar
panels is an interactive one
so if they do scale drawings and i
see that there's space
in the back
i will question
why aren't you using that space
like i
i don't just
stamp everything that goes through right
it's good to know yeah
yeah we would i mean
we would use the back we wouldn't want
to use the front i mean we i mean you
hear what you're saying like you don't
want to see it
but again you know if it's got to happen
it's got to happen
and it's honestly it's going to become
more normalized anyway as far as i'm
concerned having panels on homes
it's a tight roof i mean i know we're up
there
it's tough to design these
to offset you know everybody's favorite
footprint because you're working off the
limited space that's why you know 100
we've got to measure
just to make sure what we screwed up on
is
that diagram and so i'm going to get
that fixed for you guys to make sure
it's scale and so you know what you're
seeing there will actually fit
okay so here's the
little point so there's three panels on
that see the front yep we don't know if
they're going to be placed
towards the top
towards the bottom
because they're not going to cover the
whole roof we would center them because
they're a lot it's
smaller so you know but we're reminding
yeah we're remanding that to karen yeah
we're voting and personally improving
we're voting on at least one of those
panels in that location as well as
really
are not not really grey at all is the
shed roof up top that's acceptable as
well right we don't know
final review by karen
yes
how wide are these pounds
i'm sorry how wide are the panels so uh
i'm probably screwed that up 41 inches
wide by um i know i screwed that up um
probably
it's on the spec sheet um
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69 and a half
so
three and a half
so are there room on the dormer
or three side-by-sides
a dormer isn't that wide
oh
71.7 inches by 40 by one and a half or
one voice
so it's
approaching it's 60.
they're six feet tall karen when you
look at this again just
look at the drawings for reasonableness
yeah
and i don't i still have to
adhere to all these
requirements in the ordinance that they
be centered that they you know
when people come and have no front
panels it's not just a rubber stamp
kathy and i both
look at them and make sure they're
centered make sure their color is
correct okay all that make sure there's
not a south facing roof that isn't being
used go out and look at the site no all
that is still done
regardless of whether it comes to the
board or not
it's just that this is asking for two
front-facing roofs that's why it's here
whether you reprimand it to me or not my
feelings will not be heard but that is
an option to approve those
and i can work out the
scaled drawings
so so the motion should be that we are
uh voting to approve that and it'd be
remanded to the design consultant for
further
refinement and clarification of solar
panel sizes with the with the applicant
located at 871 francis the board finds
that a certificate of appropriateness
should be issued noting that the solar
installation proposed meets the criteria
infected code section 1266.14
and should be
approved with the following condition
that the final design and specs
are subject to further review and
approval by the residential design
consultant
do you understand the findings fact
if there's someone that will make a
motion and to approve so moved
second
mrs
yes
mr helmet
no um
i'm concerned about the lack of scale on
the drawing i'm concerned about the fire
code requirements on the edge none of
which seem to be in this drawing so um
and i'd like that entered into my
well it's in the minutes
so i have to until that gets clarified
i'm not comfortable
and i'm not in position to vote for
thank you
uh mr scott
yes
mr higher yes
chairman
yes
you are approved
all right okay thank you
for future make sure you get a scale
drawings
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someday it's going to be this
wow
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that's it alrighty karen design
guidelines how far away are we from uh
um we're on schedule
we are very much on schedule that ben
and i set up when will we no longer be
responsible for uh let me just get
are we adjourned yeah okay
please hold on a second
oh yes we have to when will we be
right we don't know that okay so