audience that would like to speak about
something to the board that is not on
the agenda tonight this week
this is the time that you can do that um
if you want to speak about one of the
applications that is before us tonight
you can wait until that application
comes before us and you can do that if
you have standing so is there anyone in
the audience that wants to speak about
something tonight that's not on the
agenda
okay seeing nothing
we will go to approval of the minutes
from last month
is there a board member that would like
to approve the meeting minutes
so moved
and kathy can call the roll
um
mr higher yes mr kraske yes strasbourg
yes
mr scott yes adam tony yes
okay um our next item to uh is is to
approve our consent agenda items so
um i'm going to read through all of
these applications and then if there's
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about one of these applications we
can have you come up and be sworn in to
speak about them if there's no one that
we would we have all looked at these
applications as um individually and
given our comments if we wanted
something changed it was changed and so
these are six items that we will approve
as a group that have all um
met our expectations so the first is
application number
b zap 22-23 the address is 261 south
park view
application number bzap 22-24 the
address is 922 chelsea
application number arb
22-26 the address is 708 chelsea
application number arb
22-27 the address is 167 south roosevelt
application number arb 22-29
the address is 373 south drexel and
application number arb 22-30 the address
is 641 south cassingham is there anyone
in the audience that wants to speak
about any of those applications those
addresses
please come forward and you can be sworn
in
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yeah yeah please come up and we'll swear
you until you can
can you push the button on the
microphone at the bottom there can you
raise your right hand so i can swear you
in please state your name
do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you and
which application do you want to speak
about us
my neighbor 640 one source casino i'm
from
so
641 south cassingham is that what you're
saying yes okay um do you want to speak
for it or against it oh full for it yes
okay so that's already on our
pre-approved um agenda so is there
anything else that you want us to know
before we approve it or
uh
yeah no
um
it was just in case
because i am the neighbor yes so like i
said we are going to approve that as one
of six um
applications so if you wanted to speak
against it you wanted us to have a
discussion about it i can take it off
the approved agenda and we can put it
back into i don't want to talk again
you're for it
okay
all right thank you so much thank you
okay is there anyone else that wants to
speak about any of those applications
okay seeing no one um we just need a
board member to make a move to approve
those six applications
yes strauss yes mr scott yes mr heyer
yes tony yes thank you
okay so next then we will go to old
business
and the first application is part of old
business is application number arb 22-1
the address is 501 north park view
the applicant is jonathan
inyama i believe
the owner is jonathan inyama
and the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a sun
room edition um is the applicant here so
karen will go ahead and give us a staff
report
first
yeah go ahead okay
please raise right hand state your name
jonathan yum do you asam i swear from
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
okay
i'm going this application has been
before the board i believe this is the
fourth time
it's been tabled a few times so it
hasn't actually been hurt but it's the
fourth time um before the board
at this point i really would like to
boil down the discussion to this the
roof issue but this is what has been the
issue and i can review it if anybody uh
maybe mr
landscape issues and some fencing issues
and a whole bunch of issues that aren't
really relevant to this particular
hearing but
um the applicant is working hand-in-hand
with to save the city's landscape
architect myself kathy the code
enforcement officer
kind of a bundle of different issues
what what this is in front of us for
is the addition to the bathroom which is
basically a storage unit on the bottom
and a screened-in torch um
we have had some
um
conditions that the applicant has agreed
to although they have not yet been
translated into plans on some finishings
which are the trim and the paint have
all the germans with details
oh thank you
thank you all the truman wood details to
match the existing home as well as the
cmu block on the bottom to be
finished
and not exposed in a way that would
match the house
while those could have been added to the
plans they haven't yet been but are part
of the conditions and will be by the
time this is
um goes to
um
building permit
it has a lot of steps to still go
through with the landscape our with our
landscape consultant
um
a few other different things but what i
would like to do is just to focus on
this roof plan which we've had a lot of
trouble getting
the exact the correct roof plan for what
is existing but then also a roof plan
that isn't going to cause a ton of
headaches
um and leaks and not being able to drain
um i did
talk to the first architect and we
really couldn't get to the right place
but then um and you can clarify anything
i'm misspeaking but i talked to a second
architect who drew what you're looking
in front of you right now i also tried
to to hard to lobby for a flat roof kind
of like in the in the in the tradition
of like a sleeping porch or you know the
traditional so that it would be
better
drainage but the applicant you can speak
to this yourself really wants the
pitched roof to match the house um this
is what they have come up with um you
know it's complicated i don't i think it
will work but this is what we have here
now um so i'm in support of going ahead
and
getting this application approved so
that we can go ahead and work on all the
other issues
i did not put it as i didn't suggest to
put it as a consent agenda item because
i really do want to read all the
conditions into
the minutes into the record
um along with any other conditions the
board might see fit so
if you want to go ahead and add anything
to that or if you think i did a pretty
okay summary
it's good just what you just say okay
do you have anything at all to add no i
mean just okay great
okay is there a board member that would
like to go first
audience
is there someone in the audience that
wants to speak about this application
seeing no one is there a board member
that would like to go first well i have
a couple of comments if it's okay the
drawings indicate the framing but they
don't say what the roof material is
for the value
for the valley sorry
all shingles no it can't it can't be
shingles for that for that area i would
think that you'd need something that was
metal
because it's a low slope it's too low of
a slope for
for shingle the backhand is going to be
elevated i know but it's still too it's
too low for shingle the slope is this
okay shingles but this no
it's going to be like this
uh
not according to the drawings it's a
it's a kind of a low slope area
that tilts forward right toward the end
yeah
i mean i'm i would if if you're going to
be doing
shingles um
you need to verify the warranty
on the shingles do you know what i mean
the warranty okay uh because
if there's any problems with water
they're going to say that it wasn't
applied properly if you use shingles
there
okay
because they have a minimum slope that
you have to have to put shingles on am i
right
so 12. so 412 will give you a warranty
um on shingles but a lot of times you
have to get uh stuck in the use of
special manufacturer to meet that 412
and no manufacturer that i know will
allow shingles to be on 212 which
appears
in this drawing based on how they're
drawing it looks like it's going to be
around too small but i have no
indication of what that is
if you built our 412 pitch you should
it's highly recommended to do an ice and
water shield over the entire
cricket
because
that water will back up on your shelves
it will leak okay so that's you have to
really follow the manufacturer's
recommendations but again that's not
what this board's about
um
i i think i'm a little
i don't want to jump in
oh well i mean yeah i mean we're all
talking about the same issues so i think
it's really a round table here but
the the valley is going to get a lot of
water and the shingle is not going to
last and it may not be under warranty
you should consider strong i strongly
consider using a metal
material like just a metal roof for that
condition or you could do a membrane
um
like a rubber membrane yeah like a
rubber membrane yeah
okay okay yeah so i don't have any
problem with the approach i think that's
exactly what you want to do i'm a little
worried about the drawings
and i think you have based on some of
the discussions you have some experience
in construction yeah so i'm sure there's
no worry there
uh and you probably will uh build it as
close but even looking at the roof plan
of that
the way the lines are drawn and the
angle against one of the slopes of the
roof indicates that it's a compound
slope it's not a single slope but it's
going to slope to the side as well
because the line isn't parallel with the
slope of the roof so or perpendicular to
the slope so
i'm not convinced that the person who's
drawing it fully understands what's
going on there but in the end
you're going to be building that belief
see you've done this before so
you know yeah my my sense is
the drafter whoever where the drafter
was you know what this is like you
explain it to somebody in your office to
to do this and then they draw it in an
angle so
i think whoever who's the builder for
this this is uh sun valley or
sunroof
i think he's you're the owner's building
but the construction document will have
to be it will have to be
but i think for us it's the intent of
how the skill is represented and if it's
not represented correctly in the
drawings it starts to bring concerns to
the overall the elevation shows it
straight straight yeah which is what
would be expected um
even in plan i think the way that the
lines come together they cross and
they're not at the exact
point
the only concern i have is you have a
lot of water coming to each point trying
to their point um and that's you know
oh there's it's coming against a
rakeboard it's coming against a soffit
or fascia and there's that cricket so
that's really hard to control you can do
it it's going to do a lot of flashing
but it it can be done
four wise i think the roof is fun i
think that flat would be would work but
i think this form works as well i have
no concern over the actual form of it um
i'm more concerned about the lower level
right the look of this the door is fine
but there's this unit that's
popped on and then there's a little
window but none of the
the elements line up which i understand
i guess based on how dr work is going to
be run um but also then of course the
drawing show just cmd so my comments to
the uh mr mrs booker was you know i
think working with her to get in it
sounds like you've agreed to make sure
those finishes match these houses
that's fine i think we've there's plenty
of times that we have agreed to that on
this board we're working with you
karen to make sure that those details
are picked up and then carried through
the construction documents
um you know i think the the cut and
paste from the internet on construction
details is
i wouldn't highly recommend that because
they really don't apply to your project
so
they're a reference but to me it's
they're not really relevant
but that's not
i believe he was opening up the door for
you to jump in he said it was a round
table
i just i agree that you should probably
you need to consider
one of the two other materials that were
mentioned tonight on that
portion of the route either the metal or
rubber yeah it should be
we make it a condition i mean this is
constructability it's not
necessarily i think for the
the for the homeowner represent because
you can remember you're representing
homeowner contractor homeowners state it
cannot be shipped
is
these drawings have not been up to par
at all in any of the times that you've
brought them in front of us
and each time you've been in front of us
we have come back with some things that
we wanted to see changed and i don't see
the changes being made in the drawings
you did update the roof but all the
other things that we talked about some
of the windows and some of that stuff
you talked about i don't think some of
those things got picked up in the
drawings so karen is going to read
through all of the or kathy's going to
read through
uh the list of things that we've asked
to be updated um as you're building
and so that will end up being in the
application right and they need to be in
the final construction documents which
we'll work with you on that
i mean
you're
permit will not be issued until all
these conditions are met but you you
kind of already know that we've said
that every time and
also um ellen is gonna the one i met on
your site she'll help you with the
landscape
approval as a condition of this approval
as well okay
okay so that's a really big deal for
this site and i'm sure none of you
took the opportunity to walk back there
because it's in his backyard but it is
it's a difficult landscape situation
okay so kathy can you read through read
through all the findings that we've come
up with in different meetings okay uh
the findings in fact the decision of the
board for application number arb 22-1
for property located at 501 north
parkview the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued
for the sunroom addition and open deck
which is architecturally compatible with
the existing structure with the
following conditions
one a final design be reviewed and
approved by the city's design consultant
which includes the following conditions
details to match existing home design
solution to expose block wall
roof structure and connection to be
refined with staff
all changes to the design are subject to
approval by the residential design
consultant the landscape plan be
reviewed and approved by the city's
landscape consultant and also the
appropriate material is used for the
cricket
you have anything else to add no that's
what i was going to add to
appropriate
okay
do you understand the findings of fact
as they were read
as far as the roof goes i understand
that but the rest of the list of stuff
of the
the remainder of the items that you need
to do in order to get your building
permit do you understand all that she
said pretty much the uh to make sure the
uh
the addition matches the existing which
is like i told a total booker that's
called the obstacle
it'll need to be in the building
permit drawings okay yeah so your
drawings are going to need to be updated
to what you're actually building for you
to get a permit wait wait are you saying
i mean just i just need to write it out
or do i need to know the the last
architect that i spoke with who did this
final roof
maybe he will understand how to
do the elevations that show the stucco
finishing and show
the window placement correctly and the
air conditioning unit so he has to
because he has to go back and
draw showing the exteriors that we all
start to get a permit yes you can just
you can type it in no
i mean you can write you can take out
the cmu and just
put a note that says stucco to match
existing
but it has to be on the drawings oh okay
physically stuck on the wall he can just
erase the cmu and write stucco in the
notes oh okay
okay
yeah but there's more than that right
right but i'm just saying i'm explaining
that it has to be in the drawings yeah
he might want to speak with karen before
he finalizes the instruction plans okay
so you want to have them call you yeah
you i have all of their numbers
they can call me and i'll call them
yeah
okay so do you understand what you still
need to do in order
to move forward with the building
promoters okay so now when i get that
through to karen and davey
and
now we'll walk you through the rest of
the process this is just the
architectural review but you need to go
to the building permit process so
outside of this forum kathy and i and
robin can help you
go to the next step i'll help you
understand what you what your architect
needs to do to the drawings to get to
the next step
but there this is just the beginning
step we need to work with elena we need
to get the job the documents up to to
par for a building permit okay all right
that's fun
and we need to vote on this yes and
yes mr scott
yes
mr hired yes
oscar yes
madame turner yes
okay you are approved stay in touch with
karen she will help walk you through the
process thank
you
okay the next application is number arb
22-28 the address is 243 south
cassingham the applicant is megan dixon
the owner is
tamara or tamara reynolds and jeremy
henthorne the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
two-story addition
uh karen will give a
overview and then if the applicant wants
to speak about this they can come
forward
yes i um we'll give a brief overview
first i wanted to pull up the pictures i
added these i by the way for the board
members the audience members may not
understand what i'm talking about but i
think i have finally conquered the
issue with that elongated stretching
it's a it's a project because i have to
put them into photoshop but i have to
convert them to pdf so if i think i've
conquered that
um but i wanted to to for sure for you
to take a look at this facade it's just
a beautiful home
um i did think that some one of the um
board members in passing mentioned this
that and i do agree the drawings were a
little bit hard to read but they're
really beautiful
once i kind of sifted through it all i
think that this is going to be a really
nice project
the reason that i didn't really want it
to come to consent i wanted to come
before the board
is to have some discussion and
clarification on the color choices
because since they're not gonna do all
brick for the matches and it's stucco i
just wanted to really talk through some
of the detail work and some of the color
choices to make sure that it blends
pretty seamlessly but i think they did a
really good job in terms of proportion
and window proportion choices and and
making it
blend to what the front the front of the
home is
is the applicant here
please state your name megan dixon of
midland architecture do you solemnly
swear or from the testimony you're about
to give this evening is the truth
thank you
did you want to
talk about it so i can just um add to
that when i spoke with you on the phone
earlier to clarify what we meant in
terms of color for the stucco
we didn't want to go with brick because
it'd be very difficult to match that and
cost per head prohibitive for our
clients
what our intention is is to do the
stucco and to match sort of that mortar
color there and the trim in the gable
there and the trim there so it'll be
stucco to the window and we will have a
wood sill
um
but yeah just that complimentary tone to
the house itself
awesome
anything else you want to add about this
no i'm happy to answer any other
questions though is there a board member
that would like to go first
sure
um the elevation and the plan for the
skylight system
so in the elevation it looks like
they're sloped
right yes which is i think a clever idea
but in plan they look really skinny is
that really the way they are you're
seeing them at a slope so
they will be
less than two feet the idea is we're not
gonna be looking right at the neighbor
and the fence and we have to relocate
those condensing units in meters
so that will be a blank facade um
and then we will have this atrium above
the kitchen set up there
right so you're just flooding down with
the light yeah and you can actually see
it in section there and the rafters
between are how far apart are they so
there won't be rafters between we'll
just run an lvl and we'll figure that
out structurally but
okay
um
because i mean usually we we don't
recommend you know having walls be that
close and offset but because you have
this special condition it works to me
um
why would for the sills do you think
that's going to last or you know for the
for the sils
the trim out front is wood so we were
going with that rather than you know i
understand the brick has sort of a stone
stone
yeah so we're we're really going more
with that trim look that's out front so
we'll have trim there at the top as well
along the eaves there
it looks like in your elevations that
the windows just have a brick mold and
then there's stucco
there's no trim detail on
we're going to run the stucco to the
window to the window to a brick mold or
a stucco mold i mean that they the
windows come with so it'll be the
aluminum yeah we're trying to get a
really sort of clean mineral right so
the only wood is really the sill just
the cell the apron i mean would you
consider doing even like a precast or
something that you know would
because it's a stucco facade yeah i i
don't know if the depth could
accommodate that okay um it's just an
idea because you know stucco usually
means that there's stone behind it
typically that's the way we perceive it
right or brick or something but
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and then this little existing porch that
there's on that's on the back yes
currently it has a box capital and a box
plinth at the bottom and your drawing
shows those removed is that your
intention oh no we're not touching that
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can you redo
it if you pay for it i'm in our scope
currently uh but can we make it a
condition can we
see we're
this is not i mean the
homeowners have been
uh how do i say this nicely
we this is the look of the box capital
and the box i mean the blocks box plint
i understand but the box capital is it's
just not the character of bexley
when this got done how it got approved
or whatever
but
you you're drawing something that's very
clean
and if you can figure out a way i'm not
making it a condition or anything but if
there's a way to convince your homeowner
to
to clean up that that detail and not
just have the box capital i would be
very appreciative
and then the trim details for the rakes
and for the fascists
just to be working with ms bocor on
making sure that they're compatible with
the existing house because it has more
detailed
eaves and rakes and so we'd be looking
for something that's a little more in
line with that
i understand the simplicity but
i think it would be good if you were
able to be a little more compatible than
just the the flat rakes that we're
seeing on the the gable ends absolutely
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residential design consultant yeah
um i agree
with everything that bill was just
talking about i would highly suggest you
consider something different than the
woodsill as a stucco owner and someone
who just replaced it all on her home
here
it's it would i highly suggest they
consider something different okay
absolutely yeah maybe hardy
yeah yeah we can do a composite material
or azac how about brick
be like the reverse of the house
yeah except it would have to be a
licking
it would have to be yeah
see use the term licking stick
yeah yeah i think we'd be more inclined
to go to a composite like party board
azek makes those boards they make them
thick you can get an inch and a half i
think yeah just funny i would i was just
thinking you guys would prefer
natural materials
but durability is important to us too
and the cilla we've rejected wood sills
in other projects so
good to know i'm sorry no it's okay
as someone who replaced the majority of
her stucco on her home because of weight
sills
it's
it's a concern that okay it should be
addressed
is that true also for the
composite material
okay
in my mind no though the rake is
i mean would we use we would is normally
what we see we just don't see wood sills
or if we do we
we'd like them
more durable sure
mr scott
i have no comment
the stressor
my only concern was the cells as well so
that's
obviously a dress
and i have nothing i thought it was
really nice very nice job thank you i
won't do drops of shadows next time
i didn't bother me but the shadows are
great it's it's it's
just the thickness of the lines on our
pdf that we're looking at
the elevations are really faded like if
you zoom in they're great but
when you first look at them you kind of
yeah
and just by the way thank you for doing
a section
oh yeah
i think you're very optimistic of
fitting that skylight in that detail
because it doesn't fit now
but it'll be interesting to see how you
work that out
i'm sure it'll be weather tight of
course
then you also have they all she also has
a cricket right that she has to deal
with
yes yep where the two roofs come like
this yeah yeah yeah there's some details
here that need to be filled up but
that's beyond
like talking about them
yeah
thank you
it's like the
gutter going into this just a little bit
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about this application
okay saying none do we want to read the
findings back
the findings fact and decision of the
board for application number
arb-22-28 for property located at 243
south cassingham the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued for the proposed two-story
edition which is architecturally
compatible with the existing structure
with the following conditions
that final color choice of materials is
to be submitted uh final design is to be
reviewed and approved by the city's
design consultant
with regards to wood cell and final
design details and breaks and needs to
match existing structure rakes and needs
to match existing structure
do you understand the findings of facts
as she read them
okay
is there a board member that will make a
motion
so moved seconding
mr heyer
yes
mr scott yes mr strausser yes mrs
yes adam county yes
you are approved thank you so much
okay the next application is arv 22-31
the address is 790 chelsea
the applicant is james drain and the
owner is karen peacock
the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a new
front porch
uh karen can give a little bit of
background
um there's
well the background on this is that it
was first applied to i think as a just a
general like a staff approval as a
replacement um but it ended up that
there were too many
different details than the original one
that i felt like it it really needed to
come to the board um just per ordinance
but um
i think that they've done a really nice
job um
the
existing porch there's a picture of it
in here is
really
not in good shape so the intention the
intention of the new design is to keep
the peers and to build new
albeit not tapered columns on top of
them um and to do a hip roof
and um
the details i i hope that you all looked
at the brochures because i think that
one of the things that made me feel so
good about this project is the
materiality that's been chosen there's
just really
good quality
construction details
or at least material details i
also think i had a board member
in
some replies
sorry i'm trying to shrink these down i
was concerned about the capital the
columns and the beams
not
um
matching up um
meeting in the middle but i don't think
that's correct i think they are properly
designed but i'm looking for the
drawings but we could have the applicant
come up and be sworn in thank you
please state your name aaron peacock
do you swear from the testimony you're
about to give this the truth yes thank
you
i think this might have been the
confusing plan is that
this is actually just a footer schedule
plan
but you can see here
there's the final
did you want to talk about it because
you're the owner correct yeah okay
yeah i didn't speak to you but i spoke
to your designer yes
uh yeah um i'm giving this
i think this house was 1925.
and the man that owned it before me
lived there for like 50 years his family
did and he redid the inside of it really
well
and and so i'm giving it an outside
facelift and i asked him you know
i wanted to look modern but also
you know respect uh the look of bexley
as as you mentioned a minute ago and so
we're keeping the
the current brick but i'm painting that
my daughter specifically wanted it to be
white so it's going to remain white and
we're doing some light gray
uh just to give it a face lift and use
the hearty
siding which is supposed to be high
quality
uh
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about this application
okay saying that uh you want to go first
me sure
sure um
i like the existing i mean i haven't
seen them look close i like the existing
brick it gives a little bit of contrast
but uh
painting brick and
mixing seems to be popular it does
modernize it so i get that i would worry
that it becomes like that
maybe it'll dive into a little bit more
because i don't think it's clear
all white the whole thing being white is
a mistake so you did say there's
additional colors you're trying to yeah
so i asked them to i think we decided
that we're going to do kind of a dark
charcoal gray
um on some of the some of the trim i
think the uh the very top little
rectangular
is gonna be like a light gray so it'll
have some contrast to it won't be just
all white like it like it looks now
that's that picture of that door that
you had there
is is just a obviously an example
of the door that we would use without
silence sorry no side lights just the
correct just the door itself
um
so i think the game plan is that they're
gonna
so they're gonna
um
demolish the entire porch
and the roof over it and they're gonna
and they're gonna put in a metal roof
above that
and then
secondly i think or maybe they can do it
back to back then they're going to side
the house so i think that the porch is
it's supposed to be first
but i don't know if they're going to be
able to do them at the same time i guess
it depends on how much work
that they have already scheduled okay
um so yeah can you go to the photograph
the exact columns you know my one
concern
looking at this was that the columns
aren't lined up with
the freeze and you can see the column
here is actually more proud which is
outside the actual beam that holds up
the roof which is is kind of typical
that you see this type of a condition
construction where your your drawings
these drawings are starting to come in
so i think
yeah the drawing just doesn't represent
what it's going to be because in the end
the structural column is going to line
up with me
if you could pull the drawing back up
real quick so instead of column yes so
he's adding i don't know what you call
that the beam in the middle there the
the middle one
which currently doesn't have the free
speed the freeze above above the column
the capital is adding a column the third
this is not existing right now correct
yeah
it's not there
so if you go to the left to right pick a
side
uh the the columns coming up and then
you have the column capital which i
think mr higher is probably going to
comment on
and then the beam above so that that
line the band above the column itself
typically is that outer edge is actually
inside the column
the top of the capital column
it's minor details but if it's built
that way it's actually going to be wrong
so i'm guessing that when it gets built
the column will actually be proud
because the way that the structure lines
up with the structure above i think it's
your drawing but you can see here that
this tapered column actually probably
has a structural column inside that
lines up with the beam
that they wrapped in the vertical side
and if you look really look at that your
your top of your column the flat part of
the column
sticks out past that vertical face of
that
thank you from the freeze
it protrudes it's proud of that that
surface there's you can really see it
here very typical detail for this type
of a house kind of construction
these types of things so
for us that's the kind of detail we get
excited about so
i think in the end we in the
construction details we're going to want
to see that i don't think it's it's an
easy easy fix i think it's just
something that we need to fix well it's
for the record that's all gone
no i know that like i'm pointing to that
whole thing
i know but i'm pointing to that as an
example of how
columns and freezes and gable torches
work architecturally and then they hear
the drawings as being submitted it's not
being represented correctly okay i want
to be able to communicate that to him
and i i would i will
i will yeah
and i i don't know it's not a problem i
just want to make sure we get it on the
record this is something that's not
going to work bill do you have your
pointer with you yeah no he was still
here because it's oh i'm sorry
the one on the right side is really
really visible the only other question i
have is is you have your front elevation
in the front steps but then they look at
the side elevation and their steps on
the side you have steps coming down on
both sides as well
so a513 on the drawings
so if you go one more sheet the sign
elevations both side elevations point to
look what looks like steps on the back
on the back of the house
that is the back
it's not just science
timber tech decking that stairs and he's
pointing to
oh and skirt so he's using the timber
i'm sorry
at the skirt so that's the skirt okay
and then my last comment would be the
braille link so if you go back up one
sheet
so right now again this is just a detail
in the drawings but your black railings
die into your pier
and they should be
inside of the pier run up and and
because code wise that won't work right
so i'm not going to talk about the
specific code the uh okay so your hand
rails that are coming down from your
front steps should be go past your
column your brick column okay because if
you dive into the brick column that's
not a good detail you have a tendency to
grow that brick pretty easily um but
also for continuous handrail for code
and building these things called
building codes
wants it to go all the way up into the
top steps
you're making a note of that as well
here so the right now the the rails
between the two columns there
i asked them to do wrought iron i guess
or some other material that
looks like that
but i've noticed that a lot of houses
mexico are doing like a thicker kind of
a white
what do you call that
to give you a little bit more privacy do
you see
does it make a difference to you guys or
no yeah yeah
um
i think if if you come up with a wrought
iron to detail
that has some character to it you know
contemporary whatever that that's going
to be a better detail what we've been
seeing a lot of is just kind of what i
would call lego construction you know
where they just take these fat you know
things and they run them along and they
put a two by on top and a two by on the
bottom and they paint it out and some
somehow that has character but if you
can do a wrought iron i think that would
be great and then we give you some color
too
yeah no i
i think that would be very appropriate
to stick with that that's that's the
plan if you're looking for a little bit
of privacy radar is probably not going
to give it to you right um but you're
doing the whole thing dark you want to
do this in greys and
so the right armor would fit into that
better yeah give you that contrast
plus when you're sitting on these
porches you know to be able to see
through them better because you'll have
thinner baluster balusters would be
nicer to be able to sit and then look
through it yeah as opposed to the fat
white
you know details are those
beautifully trimmed edges coming down
there they're down there
yeah it's turned in place by some
smaller they're very well trimmed but i
um
got to go
yeah those are good the mosquitoes love
those things so they attack me when i'm
not going they're gone
thanks
uh it's a great house i love the house i
hate that really i'm sad paper columns
are going
but i get it but those aren't easy to do
but you know
they're gone because it does it's subtle
details like that that really give that
character to this
around the porch
we've been talking about that i
i read this right it's the
kind of prefab kind of black powder
coated poles that go in a rail system
and for the front of the house i'd say
that's a detail that's not maybe
very impressive or it's not going to add
much so
you were talking about wrought iron or
something more traditional would be
not the lego set
which i think that's probably what this
is i i'm pretty sure i know what this is
gonna my neighbor didn't want this deck
in the back of the house and it looks
fine but it's
it's not charming or interesting at all
it looks very
suburban
so if you think about that detail a
little bit i think you'd be well served
oh i will talk to them about that see
what other options there might be
give it a little more character you're
going to spend a lot of time on the
front porch if you don't already so it's
important to have get it right i want it
to look good yeah
i guess it seems you know it's just a
railing splash because it's those little
details that really do
yeah i would i would encourage you
actually to
try to with the peers
to
i don't think outside the box no pun
intended
you know because we we we discourage
these box capitals because you'll see
them everywhere you drive up and down
stills a road and they're on all these
new apartment complexes
top and bottom capital you know the box
capital in the box plinth at the bottom
are exactly the same thing
and it's just stacking of legos you know
these pieces
um so a lot of it a lot of times it's
due to
the people who are drafting these
projects
they there's no design
directive for these things and so they
get they just get drawn that way as
these squares you're saying
yeah the cap at the top is that yeah i'm
talking about yeah you would like to see
something a little bit more than just a
leg or a little less because what i'm
what i what i want to encourage june and
you can work with miss vocor on this
if you look at some of the more
contemporary porches in bexley and
german village and other places where
they get approved
um a lot of times and even in some of
the older houses in bexley you will see
a
like a plate it's like a thin plate of
wood
that is at the top instead of this you
know this fat you know box thing that's
stuck at the top there's lots of
examples even over here in south bexley
on college
where it some of them are tapered some
of them are straight but they have a
much cleaner detail at the top it's very
thin it's very elegant um
you know i'm trying to go to the
simplest form here possible that you
know you
you and your builder would be able to
understand because
the other end is to do something with
wood profiles and all of this which you
can do and still make it look
contemporary but that takes another
level of expertise
that
what i'm seeing in these drawings is not
there
so you know you can i would suggest
and i i recommend strongly that you work
with ms vocor to come up with a more
contemporary
thin look for that
capital and then i would get rid of the
plinth altogether there's no need to
have it there um it's another piece of
hardy that's going to have another
joint in it and if you're going for a
contemporary get rid of your plants
there's no need to have them these
columns are already short and you're
making them look even shorter by adding
that block at the bottom
and hardy board can withstand you know
the weather there's no difference
between the shaft of the column and this
little block that's at the bottom in
terms of how it withstands
the weather so contemporary look clean
all the way up thin little block at the
top
and you're done great that'll make the
columns look better yeah it'll actually
raise the roof up that's really
reasonable what's your hourly rate
you're already paying it and then and
then
your taxes at work
so you get you get rid of these guys
right here these blocks
you have this line run all the way up
you have a thinner
you know plate at the top and then like
mr scott said you're going to make sure
that this line here is in line with this
line here
and the only thing that protrudes is
this thin little block at the top
and that'll give you a nice contemporary
look
thank you
that's that's really all i have except
for the the wrought iron i would just
explore
and don't and don't go for the ones that
are pre-manufactured uh like like um
ms strauser is talking about where i
mean i've even seen the metal ones where
you in the end they they clip them
together like an erector set am i am i
dating myself by saying that but you
know it's like the bar and then there's
the clip and you see the screw heads and
then at the bottom you see the same
thing that's just tacky and it's not
bexley's character so
doing something in wrought iron with
even a contemporary look even a
contemporary design that you wanted to
put into it would be fantastic it's
worth looking at like ford and iron in
grand view there it's not they're very
reasonable they are and they'll custom
yeah sometimes they have things already
made that are just
sitting there that could work so okay
well dude
and
as far as i'm concerned yeah a good
contemporary replacement of a porch
can be a model for
your neighbors you know they see what
you're doing here and
you know if you do that they're going to
say oh well we can do box capitals and
box and it does the basically the period
that the look of the pier
doesn't have to have any character it
can just be that
um but you're going to set a little bit
of a standard on something that looks
contemporary is fairly simple and
i think that's a great thing for bexley
if you can do it
we'll do thank you
miss crosstalk
yeah i echo check out some of the
wrought iron companies or iron companies
uh they are much more affordable than
people think
and they they can do a really nice job
with stock parts that they have
but make it look really nice so i would
i would encourage that um
i was looking at the
because it was put on to
the link here
or it's one of the links but the james
hardy
and page 11
has something that i think
was mentioned
the tapered columns
it shows it so
i know if you want to stay straight but
the tapered are there
just hardly any time thinking about that
there they are so
just you know
better than just the straight ones
yeah you prefer that
i i think it's sort of unique to your
house and i i don't see them too often
that would be that would be nice yeah
but it
it's in the catalog so
explore it consider it you're not you're
not gonna overhang like that yeah
and it's there so
but it is a good example of the thinner
capitals too yep and it has the center
base too it's kind of contemporary too
in a way it means simple
yeah that's really nice
all right we're redesigned
okay i have nothing in addition
so
do we have
findings of fact or we do
the findings of factor decision of the
board for application number arb-22-31
or property located at 790 chelsea the
board finds that a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued for the
new new front porch
which is architecturally compatible with
the existing structure and should be
approved with the following
the conditions are to be lined up
appropriately with beam
handrails comply with the building code
uh wrought iron desk railing can be
modified and all changes by the
conditions of this approval are subject
to further review and approval by the
design consultant
do you understand their findings in fact
basically you're going to be working
with karen
[Laughter]
nice to meet you
okay is there a board remember to make a
motion
so moved
take your pick
this is like
the night of women okay
yes
mr heyer yes
mrs crosby yes adam tony yes
you are approved okay thank you thank
you so much for coming in
have fun
okay our final application for tonight
is a uh roof replacement it is
application number ma22-121
the address is 250
25
brentwood
the applicant is able roof and the owner
is ronald and susan hirsch the applicant
is requesting architectural review and
approval and a
certificate of appropriateness to
replace a slate roof with an asphalt
shingle roof
okay
um
i'm actually going to let the applicant
do the presentation on this this is
before you tonight because
the original application
though not intentional had asphalt
replacing asphalt on it so we kind of
caught this one late in the game
uh and looking at the approval i
realized this is not an asphalt roof
this is a sleep roof albeit it does look
pretty rough in the one picture that i
have but i have asked the applicant um
because of
um the lateness of
kind of the catch of
to bring in pictures which he has of the
and then speak to
um the condition of the slate
you know i did explain that we typically
ask for an independent assessment of the
slate and history of the repair i'm
going to go ahead and let the applicants
speak to it but this the the um
applicant that is actually doing the
roof replacement has for 10 years now
repla been repairing this roof so he'll
speak to that i believe the story the
owner said to me and then you can speak
to this that they called able um to
replace this roof ten years ago and abel
said no
we're gonna repair it and for ten years
okay
so that's the story as i know it
i'm going to hand it to you
uh yeah we got a call and we
she had leaks she has uh
what it's the only time i've run across
the vane slate in mexico most of the
time we have good hard new england slate
in this town and it doesn't wear out so
badly but if you look at the photos i
took it's obviously a vein slate it's
it's climbing away
uh pennsylvania
maybe
uh but it's not it's not the old it's
not the hard new england slate that we
see most of the time in this town which
is
last for well we're not sure how long or
less because it's still there 100 years
later
this does not it's about
80 something years old according to her
i'm guessing
she's lived in the house for 40 years
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what can i say i i would not sell repair
on this roof now
because if i took off one i would have
to replace six or eight
and i don't know where it would stop and
i can't do it
and i can't estimate a price so i'm not
gonna i don't want to do it
uh to this this had come to the end of
its next
uh as far as i'm concerned this roof is
worn out and needs to be replaced
we're also doing the same time there's a
flat roof on the rear that's that's
getting older and we're going to do that
at the same time
this picture was just taken last week i
was there
and did a temporary
mr hearst
is out of town for a long
scheduled
time away and so that's why she
asked me to be here
we have been there i've been there like
i said i was there
february 2011
uh and did repairs we've been back a
couple of times since to make minor
repairs
uh and up to this time so and i didn't
feel like at that time
we could work it but uh 11 years is a
long time when slate's getting close to
the end
and it didn't certainly didn't look like
that 11 years ago so
that's why and why someone in my office
put the wrong thing on the application i
don't know
i don't fill it out someone that
supposedly knows what you're looking at
and doing it does
but larger organizations have
potentially lose track
so
we're trying to schedule to put on on
coring durations um
shingle
uh it's a dimensional shape
we're going to put new wood over the
whole thing
and then put put the dimensional
shingles over that according to all the
specs that we use and owens coring
requires in the city after we use six
foot ice garden and the whole thing so
i don't want else whether information to
give you
is there a board member that would
like to ask questions
uh i'd like
i don't know if you install slave roofs
but was there any consideration for
regular it's not a very big roof not a
very big that's nice
uh but it still would add
15 to 20 i'm i didn't figure up exactly
15 20 000 additional dollars
i mean
to find somebody that's good enough to
put slate on almost impossible
but there are some
and and we've done it but not often
in fact we were having we even had
trouble when i was young i did slight
repairs myself but i don't want to get
up on them anymore i'm getting old
so even a good slave repair person is
difficult to have but we have we do have
one we get to uh
for repairs when when that's what we
have to do but uh
i don't know why he was in a position
they couldn't offer her a replacement
but i knew what it would what it would
cost would be an additional 15 probably
double the cost of the project we're
looking at now
because by the day standards we still
have to put decking down we still have
to put the underlayment down and the
drip edge and this that and then we'll
come back with these expensive
not cheap slate but a good good doing a
hard slate that we can count on to be
there for a long time
what what's on the um
the structure on the side and then it
looks like it it goes all the way to the
back and then
um i see the flat roof on the back
because i'm looking at a 3d roof on the
back flat area the shingles
all the way around
okay so it's asphalt shingle on those
lowers
and you were replacing all of it all of
those things oh yeah your whole house
whole house
okay
and then the other and the and the flat
roof we'll get a new
rubber membrane
right okay and so then the ones that are
sort of ringing the back and the side of
the house will just remain the asphalt
shingle that they are now
um is
78
some years old okay and she don't
doesn't seem to be wrong she's spending
more money she has to that's right sure
and they're not like
these two are yeah
are leaking do you know what the age of
the shingle is on the these i imagine
you can only guesstimate from looking at
it but i'm suggesting it's over 15 years
old
it's not going to be long yeah
it's a little bit lower pitch especially
the back side of that lower
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i hate to be the bad guy but um i don't
think this board can review this
application it's incomplete it doesn't
have all the paperwork that's required
of a slate roof replacement
we would on what is required
enlightenment
a new application you beat me to the
punch there i was just going to look for
the
ordinance i think it's in our staff
report isn't it
i just wondered if his
so does your company if this if she
wanted slate would your company do the
slate roof for put a new slate roof on i
don't know quite honestly i have not had
to do
a new slate roof for some time
and when you say you've been coming in
and repairing it over the years yes you
you came in in 2011 when when was how
many times have you come back in between
three
so about every three or four years
you're coming in
right now
as
each time you came in or was it just one
or two here or there
it's never one or two
20 or 30.
and now
it's like i said the problem with the
slate
is not that someone is old swipe so some
of them are gonna nails are gonna rust
off
and freeze and fall and they'd break
comebooks
we've got to a place with this slate
this fisher is supposed to show you how
it's scaling off
that also indicates that this is a very
soft slate
you
to replace the slate you have to put a
metal grip object up underneath it and
cut the nails with it well you can't do
that these slate without breaking them
because they have no gear that
they will not tolerate any kind of
pressure up or down without breaking
so that means you end up replacing a
very large amount to replace one slate
and that's the problem that it's being
created here it's so soft and by the way
most of the german village
it's the same way it's miserable
but nevertheless
it would be very difficult for repair
that's that's because there's so many
because of the condition of currency
it's a it's a difficult case because
we we don't really have a codified list
but i as the staff person and i didn't
talk to you on the phone yep yeah
and i also talked to mrs hirsch and i
explained that we would typically like
to have
an independent about that two days
well i know but that's what i'm saying
like that
i understand the leaking is happening
and i understand
i mean i'm not saying
things happen it just got filled out
wrong so we saw it
late i don't know if you want to add
anything but when it was explained to me
by both mrs hirsch and by mr wein
wagner wenger that the history of the
repair and replacement and the knowledge
of the type of slate is well known
because they've been the one to maintain
the roof i said i just think you should
come to the board meeting and present it
and that's what we have right now it
seems to me we have a credible witness
that i feel comfortable with is saying
that this cannot be repaired
i'm not questioning that right i
completely
believe and understand and based on
those photos to try to repair this seems
incredible
so really what you're saying is you can
you replace what what does the
replacement have to be does the
replacement have to be
slate because we have slate now
or
i mean frankly i'm not even sure that's
within our authority
i know that we can say repair your slave
rule if you're not taking it off
but
can we
i just don't know what the answer to
that question is
i'm not even sure i'm advocating for
that but to answer your question
procedure and what's required i know for
demos with specific things they have to
be submitted i'm not sure we have that
from this we just have a course of
practice and what we correct
and
i'm not sure
i don't feel compelled to say i want an
independent
roof person to tell us that
this roof is not salvageable
i think i think we have a credible some
incredible testimony
under oath even
the question is what kind of roof
should we do
are you going to force her to spend the
extra thousands of dollars and actually
maybe already
below is shingles
it's not that's not right no no
next thing loves their sleepers
irrelevant the issues well i think we're
both
they do a wonderful job for a hundred
years plus
shingles i suppose you will last daily
i took off the last black slate i ever
saw that was
40 years ago probably so
someone was soft
no no
i i was concerned with the single photo
again there's there is a procedure we'd
like to follow
here and i don't know if you're i know
you were looking at some more notes
um about the procedures for sling
replacement
i i looking at the photos and what i
know and i'm no expert on slight roofs
but
um
it doesn't look like it's in good shape
so the challenge for the board is
is one
we like to have you know the documents
that we we
kind of i think we officially request
but that we request to see so that we
have backup based on you know the cost
of impact of respectful replacement cost
or
cost to repair and then very specific
information on the actual product and
samples and photos of those examples
installed so that we can compare apples
to apples and apples and oranges
i think
justin brings up a great point about
you know the membrane rift in the back
can i be interested in the color but
if it's tpo
nope black rubber black rubber great
flat
um and then the side shingle right
that's such a great architectural
feature side of the house uh 15 years
i'd like to know what the existing color
is at least to see if what color is that
it was a weathered wood color
what is it
what are you i can't recall off the top
of my head i can go to the application
but what is the
shingle color that you're proposing go
on it
but whatever she picked out
but that certainly can't be i think it
was a weathered wood that i told her
that was the closest thing to the
shingles she had on the rest of the
property so and i don't know if i'm
convinced that you'd want to match that
well driftwood there's probably
something you know and it could be good
either way but i'd love a little darker
roof on this one but i don't think we'd
all have an opinion on that we're having
a state i think it leads to
i'm sorry i think there's a holistic
approach to the roof replacement you're
doing two is there an option for the
thirds i think that would be important
for me to kind of
to kind of hear out and see here if his
opinion from the owner even if there's
options to actually replace the side
roof as well especially if you're saying
it's 15 years and will be followed
shortly there this yeah
she make that part of the budget i don't
know i know she's not here
um so i think i would like to see more
information and maybe it's been
submitted i haven't seen it yet as a
word number
there are some better um products out
there that just look better than you
know the slate line and things like that
straight lines love it
right i know jf shunning
the only thing is close is the uh
certainty products
i can't remember
but you know real super heavy dude once
you can't tell from sleep
okay
there's a variety of products
and again
you know
it's not our determination to tell you
what those need to be i think we
as a board we're we want this it's
beautiful
my name
i love that she's been in the house for
40 years
uh you know
in no shape we should perform where we
hear as a board to kind of penalize or
see it has to be slight replacement but
we we are here to try to protect some of
this character i think
um you know it's pretty evident based on
just the photo evidence and your own
testimony here that uh you know it looks
like the slight roof is is time for
replace i just think we need to make
sure we have all that paperwork and the
um everything in front of us so that we
can make it help make it perform
decision that's going to be the best
product for them all right where do i
get the proper application and get the
proper information
that you people need that's the decision
i think it's
a question of the board whether
whether he needs to go through finding
an independent
you want me you want her i'm not going
to spend money you want her to spend
money on that
engineer
i've had the owner she's been in my
office a couple times and she was really
upset about the entire process
and and what i did when we first
realized that the applicant who filled
this out there's a few people that share
an email address over there at able
which is probably a bad idea
so there needs to be one specific person
that's working on these so when we
realized we had bad information reached
out found out who who did that we went
as my father passed away that period of
time someone else stepped in that's what
happened so but she had that
and so it was an ma application and you
know we told them to go ahead and file
the arb application but we want to bring
the m.a because the fact that she's got
leaks
you know and she didn't want to wait
that long but it's like we can't make a
decision on this
but she did share the fact that abel had
been maintaining this roof and i thought
well you know what that's worth a lot
you got to make sure that you share that
with the board because people that just
simply let it deteriorate don't try to
maintain it that's one thing when you've
got you know a strand of slate that's
not going to last but you've been
maintaining it you know
the last 10 years 11 years that you're
aware of that you know they're aware of
can confirm that
we can't bring it to the board to see if
there's anything we can do the issue i
have with
getting another opinion i kind of follow
the same category that mr also does is
like i'm i have learned
aside from the fact that i have a slave
roof personally i've learned so much
about the different types of slate and
this is
really the bottom of the barrel of the
types
of slate it
because on my house i have a really nice
sleeve i just keep it'll last forever
because i have
well it doesn't matter but i've learned
a lot about different types of slate
we have one that's before us that
we're just not gonna even
come here so
but my point being was like
and this is not your problem it's a
process question that our board needs to
deal with as we constantly we will
forever but when somebody goes to get an
outside opinion when somebody that's
currently working on it has a history
with it and knows a lot about the slate
type and has these kind of pictures to
me it's about now what do we replace it
with not about making the applicant go
back and get another opinion because
what's happened in the past is that
somebody goes and gets an architect that
honestly doesn't know any more about the
sleigh roof than we do
or
that's all right but i agree
well yeah i was bringing up this
application to see if they had listed it
i mean i would at least like you to
explore something a little more
interesting than just
and i have a problem that with leaving
that little roof that's existing as old
and then unexplained new because they
never match and
so no they won't but you can't see them
you can't see them at the same time not
really i mean maybe one that one picture
showed a little bit of that side
and then and
one part of the well not in the summer
or anything when the trees were out
but right
is up on the second level i mean you'll
be able to see this
uh
you know
this and this roof
you'll be able to see it
when
you know if you're over here you're
coming down the street you'll be able to
see it
so
i mean for me i don't think like an
independent analysis is needed yeah i
mean just you know
provide a written statement and the
pictures right
uh
provide
provide the information on what product
or products you're considering this is
the price this is what's on the
application okay onyx black owens
corning orange black that's what she
chose that color
so if you
if you're going to do a black roof on
the house it seems like there's a little
that little side roof they're not black
that might be the condition
it should matter
approving something where you're going
to leave that little boat that's visible
from yeah so it'll look weird
an application
with the lower roofs included you guys
will just put it through there
well no we don't have to resubmit um all
right this is
you're already before us
i can't i can't answer for what
yeah
we'll let you know there's procedures
okay
what about the belmont if you look at
that
no what is it it's certainteeds asphalt
looks like slate oh yeah i saw i
mentioned there's they had three of them
actually three different styles if the
slate line's not around they still have
this one well slate lines made by gaff
right
but certainty makes this belmont
i don't know what availability is a lot
of these insane companies
this this
it shows it's available in this region
shutdowns well they shut down lines and
everything else or the grand manor
manor i've used that yeah but not
actually
there is something next oh yeah yeah
yeah lots of i hear you i've been
waiting for a new roof on my house since
february
so what are you trying to get i was
trying anything on an iko product that
looks like slate also right really
manner
i'm just saying i know that it's hard to
get there
good products right now but
i guess i i would like well the cost is
different which is brilliant
for example this section comes there's
five bundles to a square versus three
i mean the weight of it is they have
special caps they have special starters
and yeah they covered but
it's and usually we have to get a better
food and make sure they put it on
correctly they have some experiences
so the cost to her will be quite a bit
more
grand manner but i can figure it out
yeah
the last i heard look we're probably
talking
hopefully she understands that our job
as a board is to try to keep
the charming integrity
that bexley has in these old houses and
slate roofs are a huge part of them so i
understand from her perspective she
doesn't care you know what her roof is
or she maybe she does but she just can't
afford it but well she figures she's got
seniority on all of you
she's been in the house for 40 years and
she had to be able to decide what to put
on it that's what i understand that and
i'm better off with me here than her
because she'd get mean by that hopefully
we preserve that her house value is uh
is as high as it possibly can be because
of the work that we do to try to make
all of these projects
the best that they can be so
um
i don't know so where are we leaving
this are we asking well i guess i'd ask
the board
what is the
is there still a feeling and a need for
there to be an independent i don't think
anybody's asking okay so that we can
take off the table
so the question now becomes what is it
going to be replaced with
and i get the sense that everyone feels
it's pretty important that the sides
match the primary structure too
so i guess it's really up to you guys
whether you want to
remand that to me to work with them on a
shingle choice or we could there's no
reason that we can't do this because
this doesn't have to be
noticed at the next meeting we can send
out i can send out an email consensus
when you talk to your client so that the
leaking
you know issues went out there last week
and i did temporary repairs hopefully i
didn't hear from her
um last
thursday evening so it must have worked
well she did she did a lot of work on
the floor maybe i should have already
mentioned this to you but um she did ask
me
when it was on and it was on zoom she
was going to watch it from ireland so
she likely could be watching it right
now i hope
i she does
hope she understands too that when we
approve two different roofs on a house
they are typically different materials
so we would approve a metal roof and an
asphalt roof or a slate roof and an
asphalt roof or you know they're
different materials we really don't
approve two different asphalts
on the same
structure
so i think that's what we're all
struggling with so so if she does the
entire roof
that's going to be easier to accept with
the dimensional
well it's a standard price it's still a
higher better shape especially with the
it's 15 years old and it's yeah to be
replaced
and it's not very much
there's more than what you see
yeah because on the back side
it goes around in a circle
yeah the house it's got a offset in it
then they
started off with a
lower pitch roof then they turn the
corner and
do you know if the subsurface of that
roof is adequate so you you wouldn't
it has to be an addition there's no way
this this is going to say so i believe
there's
okay
so as i'm proving the demolition the
removal of the slate
could be conditioned on
uh consistent roofing materials on the
entire house
mine is several
minus the flat on the slope
that seems like a very reasonable
condition for aesthetic that's what
we're here for
and then the next step is is that to say
you're taking off a slate roof you need
to put on something that's
architecturally
uh similar
like one of these higher end channels
well that's two different asphalt
shingles you're talking about
the whole thing that's just the opposite
of what you just told me you don't want
to do because are you going to insist
that you put that on these low-pitched
low roofs as well
i'm
not insisting on anything well i'm
discussing the alternatives
so i guess what we're if you want to
have two different materials
that don't match
then we would ask that
they do that they beat you two separate
materials understood
if they're both going to be asphalt then
we would ask that the whole house match
fair enough
right
so what else do i need to give to you
people to get this approved besides her
approval to do the lower roofs i think
what are you suggesting we prove it
today conditioned on um that this i
think this all still just just goes back
to karen yeah to work with them to
figure out what product they're doing
yeah
um sounds good
yeah
with the conversation
consistent materials yeah are you done
just tell me what you think i think
i don't know if i'll
might not see her for a month who knows
she just left but less my sense is from
talking to her that she will probably
follow up
well i don't know
but i should get here
actually
if you could write down your email
because
this is that one that goes to 100 people
yes we don't want that yeah scrubber
columbus
okay
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so if she only wants to replace the
slate roof
then it needs to be a separate material
from what could be a fake slate it could
be new slate
um it just means it shouldn't be another
a different asphalt product
if she wants to do asphalt because she's
already got asphalt on half the house
the whole thing should be replaced
because from the front you can see it
should match it should all be the same
material this light can be a an
alternative material this lake
this lake could be a synthetic
i mean
i'm just saying that there's other
products that could be used there
and
and that might be more cost effective to
look at one of the synthetic slate
materials on the house rather than i
could do the whole house in a lifetime
warranty duration shingle cheaper than i
can do the top and any of the
upgraded materials that we've mentioned
well that's always true but that's not
our only consideration you're not hers
that's why i'm trying to represent those
are options for you
i don't believe she wants to put in
monies that
to upgrade it
she feels like it's
fine it's hard
work for 40 years yeah
i know how she feels i'm in my house 30
now
is that clear
yes there's mud
mud we appreciate you working with us we
appreciate the applicant working with us
and just try to understand we're trying
to
preserve bexley's beautiful you know old
houses
german village for example as a single
list
but that's it yeah right we don't do
that
tell your client that that's not what
we're doing here
but they're getting tougher and tougher
to get the slate torn off i used to get
them to do it
it's getting
some people are just ripping it off
because you know they can't run they
just don't want to prepare they just
want to replace it
again there's all different scenarios so
it's hard to say it really there really
is yeah someday it's all gonna be gone
for sure eventually probably not in my
lifetime well it's holding up
so am i done
almost no
okay so do we need to read findings back
with or are we just
commanding back to camp remaining it
back to karen because i think you should
make a motion to
remove
to
remove the slave subject to
the entire roof being re-shingled
under my
yeah remain that to me yeah that's for
my review
i'd like to have it on record yep right
okay
common material the condition is
yeah sure okay
finding the fact the decision of the
board or application number
ma-22-121 for property located at 2559
brentwood
work finds a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued
for a roof replacement with the
following conditions
if only the slate is removed
it needs to be
replaced with a synthetic or an upgraded
material other than asphalt if all
of the
if asphalt is chosen it needs to be
consistent material on all sloped roofs
and final approval subject to the design
consultant well done
good job
okay therefore remember that we'll make
a book so move
on the second
joint
this is going to be easy to write these
up
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yes
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okay thank you so much thank you very
much and i don't think we have anything
else right
we're adjourned
you should be expecting a pdf from me