University
yeah no it's still yeah
I just finished their auditions yeah no
I I just I had an issue with the other
one because I feel like if you're
replacing the garage we should try to
get them farther I mean
no offense to you but it's just when you
back out of that garage you're literally
like kind of Black backing it blind into
the middle of the street and I just I
don't know I don't remember which way I
voted on the other one but I in my head
every time I drive by there I'm like in
fact we let people back
into reality no the garage door screens
so you literally back out into the
street and then with bushes and stuff
along there you can't really see and I
mean to me like the other one we should
have had him move it push it away from
the street but um I don't know I I guess
it's just stress the issue of packing it
down
because here you can't even the front
doors though they've only got five foot
six inches so they don't have any apron
to back out and get to the street I mean
you're not even gonna be able to see out
like you're blind you're backing out
blind because your car's going to be in
the ground your front doors will still
be in the garage or the cars in the
street they're basically backing across
a sidewalk talking in the rear end of
the car is in the street
yeah but it's been like that for
and this it's pretty common it's pretty
common in this little area South
Remington yeah
yeah
the one across the alley also in the
street yeah it's the same
yeah there's a little a little pocket
over there where they were all done
similar
and there might be difference in the
amount of traffic on Remington as
compared to like Cassidy yeah yeah but
it's still just blind backing out of the
street and I mean I mean I just have the
opinion that if you're if if it's going
down to where they're going to have to
pour concrete in any way then why not
make it so that it's safer like like is
that kind of our responsibility a little
bit to make it
so that it can be safer I I mean
so I don't know I I
um
um it's a good question I mean it's
they could gain more parking it's an
existing situation
well it's not though I mean if they're
building back on the exact Foundation I
probably wouldn't have an issue but if
they're going to have to tear up the
foundation anyway to to report to build
the new one then then they're not really
the exact replacement of the existing
garage so are you are you pouring a new
slap yes
but it looks like to me if you move it
back you're gonna have to remove a tree
correct and I don't know what's going on
I can't yeah well you'll yeah
yeah I don't know I mean
yeah I
mean
so you wouldn't be in the garage when
you're backing up because you would
actually have to back up and go into
that sidewalk area as well which is the
city apron as well as the evening part
so yeah that five foot six goes to the
first line right there not the sidewalk
Park so you don't like back up into that
and then I think I think there's parking
along that side of the street as well
isn't it right yeah
you'd be at least probably about 10 or
12 feet out before you can see what's
coming down the street there so it
wouldn't be exactly yeah
I can see yeah it's probably further
than typically your property lines a
foot or two off the shitty walk
so we could be talking seven and a half
feet it's about nine feet just looking
at the picture you get a car on it I
think right
I'm
I I tend to look at it like it is an
existing condition you're maintaining
the existing setbacks and everything
um
you could renovate the garage and build
it
you know putting the door on it put a
new roof on it and everything I think
long term though this is a better
Improvement so it's that's how I tend to
look at it
um I think if it's moved back it's
adjacent to this alley so you're going
to have this right there at the alley
you're going to have the driveway
adjacent to the alley so you're going to
have this like mass of concrete out
there
and I I am very familiar with this area
of Remington and it that part of
Remington almost feels like it's in a
little alley too so it's a little tight
and so forth and
um you know the the cars
cars go fast during what they should
anyway but it is not Cassidy so
unfortunately I've walked down that area
every day and I've never noticed an
issue yeah with cars backing you know so
it's pretty quiet actually
well what I was saying the two of you is
because of the limited number of people
you need three out of four votes tonight
um and because you don't have the
history here I am the only person that
voted against the other one so that's
not the same I'm going to vote against
church but I'm just letting you know so
if you want to get a field for maybe
some of the other members because you
can choose the table if you'd like but
I'm because
I mean we do that occasionally you get
kind of people's feel but
so you you were saying the other one I
feel like I have I feel like I can't say
that for one and then approve the other
when I didn't do it before
so and you're saying there's not all the
members are here tonight correct
so you have to have a majority of the
members
the majority of the members that are
here there's four members so you need
three but but there's technically
usually seven so if there's seven here
you only you need four out of the seven
so you can have two two no votes when
you have seven but because of the fact
it's four only four tonight you can only
take you can only get one no vote if you
get two it'll be turned down I'm just
letting you know that yeah
so I mean I
I agree with Mr Turner that it's
definitely something we should look at
going forward I think given the history
here
this this doesn't I mean I'm fine with
it given that they're they're basically
replacing like for like and but I do I
think going forward we should encourage
people to consider look you know loading
off the alley when possible
um but again there's
this is what they're currently
because
yes okay
um Kathy you want to read the findings
of fact please the findings of fact at
conclusions of block for application
number
bzap-22-28 for property located at 25.95
Brighton upon consideration of the
application proposed variance and
evidence and testimony before the board
finds the applicant has proven that the
criteria to Grant an area of variance in
Mexico it's actually 12 26 11c have been
met and a variance from Mexico section
1252.10
a one and two to allow the
detached garage to be replaced five feet
six inches from the East side property
line and in the same location as the
existing garage
the board further finds that a
certificate of appropriateness
should be issued in accordance with the
record of decision and action from the
architecture review boards July 202
meeting
and do you understand the findings of
fact as read
do I error motion
pick a motion to approve second
a roll call please
Mr Hall yes Mr Levine yes Mr Turner no
chairman Marsh yes
it
was approved thank you
want me to be consistent
um
I just texted Amy so we can skip should
we skip just skip hers yeah you got
lucky
which one are you
so oh 944 here Amy's not here
yeah
all right we're gonna we're gonna miss
three we're gonna move to uh 199 North
cassingham
which is bzap22-32
um
okay
kind of cars parked in that garage
currently in the 1991 Camaro okay I
thought I was a Riata I was about to get
lucky you want to go ahead and give us a
background uh yes this wait a minute I
want to make sure I'm on the right one
out of order okay 199 north passing
pumpkins
so the applicant is seeking architecture
review and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for a new one-story
garage with attached office and covered
porch the applicant is also seeking a
variance from Mexico section
1252.15 A to allow an 18 foot high 11
inch high detached garage that is 895.2
square feet I'm gonna get some strange
looks from the architect because I
understand that he has modified the
garage so it now meets the 18 foot
height limit yes and the open porch was
probably not calculated in his original
square footage so he thought he was less
but you have to
include that in with being it's attached
to the garage uh the the applicant
currently has a shed carport with an
office space attached it's about 12 foot
by 44 feet approximately and he would
like to replace it instead of the 40
work beat he's going to go with 40 feet
and also a 24 by 24 garage and also he'd
like to maintain his office space uh
being it's on the first floor so he has
that attached and with the open porch
versus 895 square feet uh
777 square feet I think is what is
actually in closed space
but also Mexico section 12 2305 Gene in
no circumstance cell demolition of a
garage be approved without a replacement
plan if said demolition would reduce the
number of enclosed parking spaces below
two enclosed off street parking spaces
so I think he's got one enclosed space
right now so with the new structural
have two spaces that are enclosed plus
the attached octopus
gotcha
oh let me answer oh yeah please state
your name starting with you sir
you sound like Twitter or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you I
just want to say that the existing space
is not really it's just covered Mountain
closed garage well it's like a carport
yeah
so you want me to do that yeah
um this um was unanimously recommended
in the positive but it was not without a
lot of I think really good discussion
um particularly because the footprint is
a little bit larger than most garages so
um there was a lot of discussion about
how
how architecturally important the height
differences because these are very small
Lots
um I'm just telling you the discussion
not making argument for or against this
that's for you guys
um these are very small walks with a new
way of living that we all now a lot of
us do work remotely and so there's a
need for more space and we just had a
lot of discussion of how to reduce and
to make the space more appealing so they
definitely lowered
um the architect lowered the the roof so
it doesn't need a variance anymore
it was over 18 feet but now it is at 18
feet
um also they agreed to put
um there's a new plan that was I think
added yesterday or I think I added it
yesterday yeah you said it a while ago
but I that's okay I do it over though so
I'm a little forgetful when it comes to
emails but some extra windows were added
in to give it some more detail on the
side so that it wouldn't be just a wall
to the neighbors
um these pictures are wasn't that a
condition their conditions and okay
they're done yeah these are the updated
so this one I have both on here there's
the first one you can see the bigger
height and the massive wall and here are
the additional spaces
um
I almost wish that we would we had a
an elevation that showed the house
um to show how the height difference but
I think you can kind of get the idea
from looking at this
um it's a pretty tall but but small
house
um so although in plan it looks
very similar in footprint it's much
smaller structure yeah actually
all right do you want to go ahead and
explain exactly what you'd like to do
yeah uh
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real
first of all black space along with a
growing family and meetings
is there anyone in the audience that's
here to speak to this application
or would have questions or comments
is that one so the before previously it
was just a long narrow like two-car
carport yeah if you look up a cycle and
you can kind of see that that's dashing
in oh yeah
okay gotcha so actually
you know lessening the impact on
neighbors
um okay
thanks and this this year while Kathy
has clarified that it does count and the
zoning is open space right here
so 624 is the limit and actually 777
square feet or what's enclosed
gotcha
any other questions or comments
from the board
the ARB have any discussion about like
the types of materials used on it vinyl
siding yeah I believe
um it's going to match the house exactly
didn't you talk about you you we talked
about this you recited the so the the
original structure is
um it's painted the same color as the
house but it's the sighting is uh Cedar
deciding so you on the on the side
that's with the ugly air conditioner on
it I'd apologies for these photos this
wasn't the nicest day for my backyard
um deciding that that I put on there
matches the house so that would be what
is on the left so it doesn't match
exactly the existing structure but
great good question we did have that
discussion
any other comments or questions
do we want to have funding findings of
facts please
thank you
find these effect and conclusion of
block or application number
bzap-22-32 for property located at 199
North cassingham Road upon consideration
of the application proposed variance and
evidence and testimony before it the
board finds the applicant has proven the
criteria to Grant an area of variance of
exit code section 12 2611c have been met
and a 271.2 square foot variants from
Mexico section 12 52.15 a to allow the
proposed garage to replace the existing
shed
Splash enclosed space
in the rear yard
and do you understand the findings of
facts as read yes
you do I hear a motion from the board
motion Sean
second
is Rose row call please Mr Levine yes
Mr Hall yes Mr Turner yes
chairman Marsh yes
thank you thank you thanks a lot
okay Amy's now here oh perfect
um all right so we've got next one is uh
22-29 944 euclair uh applicant is Amy
lauerhouse you could come up and be
sworn in yes
please state your name Amy lauerhouse
you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I do thank you
thank you and Ms Rose is there some
background on this
well she looks I'll apologize for being
late you guys are Speedy tonight oh no
problem
that's great
which one is this on the agenda number
one letter e yes e
okay
so the afghanist seeking architecture
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness
to allow a conversion of a one-story
home to a one and a half story home the
applicant is also seeking a variance
from Mexico section 1252.09 R6 zoning
District which requires a 25 foot rear
yard setback to allow the existing
non-conforming structure to be modified
uh I'd like to point out that this
existing structure is sitting sitting on
a lot that is 80 feet wide and 71.3 feet
deep which is very irregular for R6
zoning the house has existing
non-conforming with the rear yard
setback of seven feet two inches behind
the attached garage and 18 feet 6 inches
behind the living space all other zoning
setbacks and lot coverage is meets code
so the applicant is proposing an
expansion to increase the height in the
existing footprint to 20 feet 9 inches
which is an overall call increase of
four feet the minor increase based on
the existing footprint would not appear
to have a great impact on the
neighboring property and that it
proposed on one new Dormer facing the
neighbor in four small Dormers facing
the street and I'll defer to Karen on
any explanation regarding architecture
review we we did have a lot of
discussion on it but we came to a
positive recommendation also for anybody
drawing was confusing yeah this is the
confusing drawing yeah I don't know yeah
the theme issue that we were having but
we couldn't really understand the
Dormers yeah but it was because of the
section that was cut through so I mean
if you need Amy too she can explain it
but it cleared it up pretty well and I
think the condition that we put on it
was just that all the details match the
existing yeah and recommended it in the
pot stuff it's a great solution I mean
that this is a weird site yeah it's
Square yeah it is yeah
because a square site
if you go ahead would like to go ahead
and just present that'd be great yes so
uh like Karen and Kathy said uh we're
not adding any uh additional footprint
to the lot it's just uh we're taking off
the roof of a ranch and uh changing it
into more of a Cape Cod style uh the
rafter bearing will will stay at the
same height that it is we're just
basically raising the rafters
um to create two bedrooms and a bathroom
on the upstairs
um the shed dorm room to the back
and then there's three small hormones
um two on the outsides for each bedroom
even number one in the middle this
drawing was not possible that conclusion
looks like the normal Dormer is bigger
but it's just opened to the first floor
um so the all three doors on the front
of the house for the same size we're
also raising the the garage has actually
two pitches it's kind of odd
um so we're raising
um the garage roof slope just to match
the mouse and adding into our room there
was no
um for Aesthetics
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to allow a half story expansion to the
existing non-combodian physical
structure to be granted as submitted
board where to find a certificate of a
program that should be granted an
Importance of Being decision and record
of action from the architecture of
divorced July of 2019.
we understand the findings of backs of
the red yes
so the second second
from the roll call please Mr Blue Line
yes
Sister Hall yes
yes
it's very nice application
thank you
very much next is
22-3
26 81 Benson Park
um
our house
we're gonna have a background on this
scene please the other hand is seeking
architecture to be more approval on the
certificate for partiness
or the conversion of an existing
attached garage to finish space and a
two-part attached garage addition to go
Master Suite above yeah and it's also
seeking an eight foot challenge variance
of expert section 1252
110 wave 1 which requires a 20 foot
Spectrum for a lot 50 to 100 feet width
to allow the addition to be located at
11 feet 2 inches from the East side
property line along South Roosevelt
the existing structure
has a portions of the
existing structure that sits 11 feet
from the existing East Side property
line
um so they're planning to
mimic that however this may be
dimensional encroachment
um all other zoning setbacks from mock
coverage would be met
um this project was uh consent
wasn't it yeah yes it was consent agenda
item and it was um unanimously
recommended uh well done thank you Amy
thank you yes you make my life easy for
Earth
the existing garage is attached
um but it's a great it's a great
structure of the stone we want to keep
it but it basically blocks any access
that falls of her backyard and so they
really don't have any good outlooking
space so we're proposing to convert that
existing Mirage into a family room space
and then add a garage activities of that
and
um we have kept the east side of the
garage the new proposed garage basically
in line with the existing house that
encroaches already onto that side here
and setback on that 400 watts
only
materials will match to existing
um and we're doing a combination of
separable being filmed as being shown as
the existing mountains
as well
is there any audience
any emotions comments
we can have abundance facts
back in conclusions of water application
under green
z80-22-30 were party located in 2016
we're on vaccine Park on consideration
of the application for first variants
and evidence and testimony before the
board of financial professional criteria
their interior variants the next
consumption as well at least
and we put an engineering some
explosives people 52.10
to allow and keep our attached to
provide the second floor the new space
above
should be granted
as submitted the board of voter finds
that
in certificate of the department should
be granted and influenced the decision a
record of action from their potentially
rewards July of 2022.
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thank you
very much
second second thank you make roll call
Mr Hall yes Mr Turner there's Mr Levine
yes chairman Marsh yes
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2240 Bryden
again
yes so the applicant is taking
architecture review and a certificate of
programs or in addition to the emergency
house the Aggregates also seeing three
variances from Mexico section 12 52.09
r37 the first to support what variance
to the requirement inside of your own
setback the second is a 7.8 to the
building department movement of 25
and a learner into these I think 7.7
variance from the 50 overall lock
coverage
so I would like to point out that a long
question is in the artery Zone district
and it's 15 55 feet wide and 133 and 18.
and 7 315 serving
in R3 the minimum lot size is 90 feet by
1 16 and 14 430.
so it's actually
a little more similar to the R6 gun
which has a 50 Foot Locker by 120 within
six thousands for the although it's a
little bit larger than ours so it
certainly is only larger that's pretty
hard
so I guess that was the mindset and then
what might be appropriate based on the
sides of the lot or the
as far as setbacks of the structure
and
he said more about this involved in
quests
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um this was also given a positive
recommendations
by the architecture review board
yes uh so again Kathy known as being
careful here you've been summaries uh
this is one short ride in the west of
Drexel and
um there are a couple Lots in this area
there are unusually small from our free
blisters being one of them but Kathy
said it's about half the size that's
required so when we started looking and
we had we proposed editions that I find
one to do
um I
my intent was to kind of follow number
six zodium guidelines because that's the
more appropriately than just the size of
the mat
um so really that's what I did when I
was looking for something to design an
admission so this important business by
who I've said about I don't know
anything
about valid in number six as well as
both of the building complicated
um
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and since
um not only it's a tiny line in the
garage it's not pushed back the forward
to the West as far as it can be and it's
interrelated conditions so they don't
want to do anything like it so that that
is gave us a little bit even less
flexibility
to design the rendition which is why we
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defining this effective inclusions of
love for application under
18-22-31 with the property located at 25
on consideration of the application of
variance and evidence detected money
report at the board of bonds together
and there's proven that the great period
of ground area variance indexes
and a very expectations
to allow in addition to the northeast
corner of the house at a neighborhood
side yard setback we've granted and then
as well a lot of coverage to exceeded
the 25 and 50 women by 7.7 and 7.8 in
accordance to the plan reviewed on 178
2022.
it is
particular purpose should be branded in
the importance of the decision and
record of action for the University who
was July 2022 in the past week yes
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the weird motion
multiple approved
second
World call please Mr Hall yes
Mr Turner
yes chairman yes
thank you very much thank you
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very much he's not actually going to be
on the agenda he removed we're going to
talk about it but we're not gonna are we
going to talk about it yeah
yes I well Karen can show them too yes
we got 22-30 this no longer needs it's
not a funnel hearing okay
um and here's why
so this was submitted under an
architecture review application and um
it was reviewed by the architecture in
the board and I believe it was going to
program item
s
Bexley code allows
open porches and uncovered decks to
encroach and uncover that can encroach
four feet into the side yard setback
this is a boarding for quite a lot so it
allowed to be two feet off the side of
property line and
the
actually a second story Deck Over the
first floor so we did take him to the
Architectural Review Board because it
decks open and the portion that is
covered needs to require your setup
however you have the staircase that goes
from the first floor to the second floor
and when you look at the side elevation
you question whether that enclosure is
on the exterior side towards the
property line which is five feet away or
if it's on the interior side so
have that conversation and you know it
was explained to be asserting which I
think it looks like a wall or even has a
window in the wall so I recommended that
it either be removed or they want to
achieve a requests in a very incidental
support that they would
be okay but you know allowing this
so I wanted to share this with you
because I guess they've decided that
they're going to remove skirting but
I just wanted to get some clarification
how the more reviews this
exactly you know an exception I never
adapt to the ground level so when you
have something that's this high up and
round and you've got
you can't see through that so
interpret that again
yeah I mean that would be my
interpretation of this that once you add
that it becomes a wall yeah okay
is there a wall is there a certainly
I can't tell but I I guess that is kind
of on the exterior side and maybe they
wanted to use that area let's explain
that there's grass underneath the stairs
so I just read their err on the side of
caution and if it's going to be there I
would have brought it to the board but
they have decided to remove it
from trying to make sure I'm making the
right call
so that will be an open staircase now
so does this board need to act at all
tonight
I'm just sharing and letting you know
what my thoughts going I haven't brought
it to you but they've decided to make
some modifications I want to make sure
unless somebody had like a totally
different view of it no I I think it's
fine the way it's presented and I knew
that it was filled in and to meet with
one of the wall right okay
yeah it's your city not mine so but
thank you very much I appreciate it
wow this was a calm quick meeting we use
table the elm
they didn't have a conversation with her
that she was worried she may be out of
town and why don't we just table it to
date certainly because I have to check
my email maybe she did an email
because
22-21 28 and 44 L do I hear emotions
until the August 25th
we involved over
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is it