yes
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we will call to order the
july 14th bexley architectural review
board meeting
and we will start
with the call of the role
yes everyone turn on their mics
uh yes okay here
here
okay uh the next part of the meeting is
for public comments so this is for
anyone that wants to speak about
something to the architectural review
board that is not on the agenda tonight
if there's something that you want to
speak about that's on the agenda tonight
and we will do that when we get to that
um to that part of the meeting is there
anyone that has anything they want to
talk about that is not on the agenda
okay seeing nothing um
the next uh thing let's do approval of
the minutes from last month
and based on my conversation with all of
the board members because of the number
of applications for this month no one
had a chance
to go back and read those can we push
that to next month that we will approve
those next month
next week
oh that's right
thank you that's a great point yes okay
we need to make a move i need to make a
motion for that
i think there's just no motion for
approval so that's fine we'll just
revisit that next week
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oh don't worry about that one
the next uh item on our agenda is to
approve uh the consent agenda items
so the board has spent a lot of time
going through the applications
that were before us this month which was
a lot of them
and we have
given our comments back on some
projects that just had quick fixes and
so the applicants have agreed to make
those quick fixes to it and so we are
going to have one vote then to approve
all of these items so i'll go through
and read those
and if you are here to talk about any of
these applications let me know before we
vote on those
okay it's application arb 22-32 and the
address is 2170 bryden road application
number arb 22-36 the address is 929
francis
application arb 22-37 the address is
2404 fair avenue
application number arb22
the address is 44 south parkview
arb
22-39 address is 145 south ardmore
arb 22-41 address is 2767 sherwood
application bees app
22-25 the address is 2401 fair
application number bzap 22-28
the address is 2595 bribing
application number b's app 22-30 the
address is 2681 bexley park road
and the last one is application b's app
22-31 the address is 2240 brighton road
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak
um about any of those applications uh
please
raise your hand or come forward
it's 21.70 is that one of them as well
2170. do you have an older printout i
didn't give you did i put an outfit that
one
yeah 2170. she read that okay
first all right
okay um so is there a board member that
will make a motion wait i think we have
an audience member
is there someone in the audience that
wants to speak about one of those
applications
um
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yes so i'm not familiar with the process
here
and your name and your address and kathy
will swear you in
uh joyce edelman um 2414 fair avenue
um please raise your right hand sure do
you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth
it is thank you
so can you tell us which application you
want to talk about uh 2404 fair avenue
2401 fair avenue
21. 2404. it's arb desk 22-37
oh i see it okay
yep okay go ahead
um not uh being familiar with your
process
um
i wanted to know
what the process is how you review the
application
um
kathy did share with me their
renderings
i don't know if there's been any
revisions to that
so if you could just speak to that i'm
not
certain that we necessarily have any
objections but
you know to me if these are significant
at least with respect to this
um
proposed renovation is significant
we've been down this road before um a
year and a half ago so just uh
if you could indulge me a little bit and
walk me through that um i'd appreciate
it before we comment um in favor or not
right so typically we take it off of the
consent agenda and we put it back into
the regular
um
uh
format of how we would discuss them so
if you would like to review that with us
then i could take it off of the consent
agenda and move it back into its place
in line then
that would be great is that what was in
here i i told him i'd call him on the
cell phone
so i'll have to get a hold of him to let
him know so we'll put it on whenever
we will remove 2404 maybe he's here you
can ask
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is the applicant here
for 2404 fair ice jacob
okay um okay so we will remove that one
from the consent agenda it will go back
and its place in line and uh we'll
discuss it as we come to it okay sounds
great thank you all right thanks
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is there anyone else then that wants to
speak about any of those applications
okay
do i have a board member then that will
um
make a motion to approve these please
so move
second
i'll call the roll
estrouser yes mr scott yes mr heyer yes
madam tony yes
okay
sorry just a minute okay
okay so that takes us to um
the next item on our agenda which is
application arb
22-32 the address is 2170 brian road the
applicant is pete foster
isn't that consent
that's consent yeah that's consent okay
so that's not
2234.
all right 22 okay
sorry that one was consent uh so the
application is arb 22-34 the address is
348 south
passingham the applicant is mexican
school district board of education the
owner is mexi school district board of
education the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness
to approve windscreens and plaques
at the schiff family tennis complex
behind the bexley high school
okay we'll start with a
staff report from karen um i do want to
touch base though because the initial
notice that went out was for review of
plaques and screens for the for the
architecture review board however in the
open space district uh the board of
zoning and planning does have
jurisdiction over any type of signage so
there is verbiage on the side on one of
the screens and there's also the plaques
involved so this board will be reviewing
the color and location of the
windscreens and we did send notice out
today uh for the signed
so we're just looking at windscreens yes
color and location
okay
um
in your in the staff report you've seen
some examples we did kind of a look
around at different kinds of windscreens
that are present in both the city of
bexley and other places
the
the windscreens that
are before us now are a very opaque blue
i don't know if everybody has had a
chance to go buy them i hope that you
have
um i really don't have a staff opinion i
think we need to hear um neighbors
testimony and then have a board
discussion over the appropriate color
for windscreens for the tennis court um
try hard as you may to just put the text
and the signage out of your mind for
this this board is simply looking at the
color and the placement
of the windscreens
i hope that's clear to everybody it was
a last-minute change in the way we're
going to approach it because
signage typically falls under zoning so
we're just looking at the screens
how high how much they cover where
they're placed and
opaqueness or sheerness of them um
as as has been seen in a lot of this you
know other courts
a lot of times they're not as quite as
opaque as the ones that are up there now
um and i say that with no bias one way
or the other i just want to set the
stage for the conversation so um that's
just where we are with this board it
will be heard in front of the zoning
board for the text the verbiage the
signage in two weeks
do you want to take audience okay so um
is there can i kind of show hands on how
many people want to speak about this
application
okay
um
let's start with the applicant
and um and then once we get to audience
members i'm going to ask you to just
keep it to like three or four minutes to
speak each since we have quite a few
people so um does that applicant want to
come forward so we're actually going to
do a a time limit because there's so
many people so if you hear my i'll do
the timer so it'll be three minutes
more than three yes applicant has five
minutes yeah
zap me and scare me
i'm not worried about you
please did you already state your name
john eichenberg business manager
fcc schools do you swear from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
good evening board members i'm john
eichmaur as i said business manager for
the school district
i start with an apology to the board in
the building department uh i view
windscreens as part and parcel of a
proper thoughtful tennis court
environment
with proposed placement of the
windscreens within the interior of the
property
not on the street side
i could not visualize the screens as an
elevation
a fencing or a signage
so i did not advise my colleagues to
contact the city for board review
so again i apologize for that oversight
the district's colors are blue and white
which is why we selected those colors
for our windscreens
this is a common practice with schools
universities and such to promote school
and community spirit
uh we asked the board to approve our
windscreen request as presented
for as the incumbent property we feel
the request is in line with the dynamic
and energetic environment indicative of
high school athletic complexes and
stadiums
thank you
questions now or
for us
i just have a question about the package
so we see in this package the designs
in blue and white i see those they do
not indicate transparency
how are we to judge transparency on the
images that are in this package
so
when we through the vendor requested
windscreens we were
that item was proposed
via
other schools of other universities um
other sports teams in our central ohio
area that utilize that same windscreen
so we went on expert advice
other than that we didn't spec
you know we want x
we just went on expert advice of and it
is is it a number that we're judging or
is there's no visual in this package on
examples of other transparent
windscreens that i can see
um unless i'm missing something we just
took some no they didn't
we just took some pictures of
windscreens i'm sorry
that we're at the
jeffrey they're at jeffrey just to show
could you direct me to that it's on oh
the clifton yeah i see him okay got it
yeah and i also spent a good deal of
time researching tennis screens because
this is 23 years this is the first one
for me
so um and all colors seem to be
available in transparency
at least that's what i have found online
but
most typically
more of a black that
blends into landscaping is used
and is the context at the high school
the same with the same
metal fencing the same kind of metal
fencing that the screen would be
attached to i believe that's the case
and i thought there were some
inconsistencies with some of the
pictures uploaded so i printed out this
one i'm not sure that was in there that
shows the transparency of what's
existing
so i just want to pass that around
this is without the screen that's that's
the screen on there
that's existing at the uh bexley rec i
apologize i just need to have the
the correct visuals i understand for all
the comments that are going to come our
way
we're going to pass this around so i
just want to
this is what where that is at the
jeffrey mansion
tennis courts along clifton avenue
and the photos that the applicant
provided in the packet uh actually shows
photos of some of those screens in place
and i've printed some of those out if it
helps so the lettering is legible from
the court side
we're not talking about science i
understand but in terms of transparency
what i'm visually seeing in in this is
going to be from courtside not from
street side street side is the metal
that we're seeing right
okay
it's it's on the
we're along the western
elevate uh elevation or right line
so it's 30
30 plus feet off the road
thank you thank you
well i want to clarify so it's it's on
the western
back side of the yeah the text is facing
east or west texas facing east so that
you can texas facing the road
because the screen is on one side of the
wire it's actually on the interior side
of the court and it's facing into the
court and it's also facing east so there
is another fence along
the exterior side of that court
that is not screened correct so if
you're viewing typically they view
matches from the stanwood
roadside
you are looking through that
that stanwood road fence and then seeing
the verbiage and seeing the windscreen
yes
there was a site plan included that was
had orange highlights to show the
location
i think this is it yeah go pan back up
karen there you go
so you can see the orange along the
upper side which is west
and then in between each court
the in between ones are there now
correct correct and and or incumbent yes
but those are going to be replaced as
well
no no
they went up before approval so they're
just kind of just having this discussion
now oh okay i thought that was photoshop
if you will the the
controversial ones were taken down okay
was there also another section that's
interior to the campus
we're looking into the football stadium
correct
so is that along the south side of the
field correct correct there's a there's
one there that
blocks the
gate that was
put up at some point
and that's also blue correct
but from
the school's perspective what's the
primary purpose of installing the
screens
proper play on them in a match
um it breaks the wind breaks the wind
yet so the wind can't carry your ball as
far
yep
okay is there anyone else
from the school side that wants to speak
gentlemen
please state your name harley williams
do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth i do thank you
thank you uh yeah i think the the uh i
think it's important to know that again
we
john already apologized we did assume it
was so far in that it would be uh
permissible as a temporary thing during
the tennis seasons to help block the
wind our fence is 12 feet high
we worked with a company that that put
windscreens up at ohio state columbus or
cleveland
for the cleveland browns
and for the columbus crew and we looked
at at the different colors they had as
you said there are multiple colors
it is not uh and ours i believe are 85
opaque i think you go between like 75
and to 100
and i think we ended up on the 85
percent you can see through it
it's not as clear as maybe the one
obviously not as clear as the one like
clifton
and um we have it you have to also match
it up
for the fence so height that we don't
want to blow the fence down and things
like that so we did purchase it at 12
feet as high as the fence that we could
secure to the rails on top and the rails
on bottom um
and again it um
i understand as i said earlier to a
friend who approached me about this was
that it's you know beauty is in the eye
of beholder we think it's
uh we think it's an attractive very uh
for an athletic complex we're trying to
give our student athletes
the best kind of facilities as we do for
all of our athletes and we put a lot of
attention this past year to make our
tennis courts
uh state of the art for our community as
well as or for our athletes so that's
that's the position we're taking
so this will come down off season right
yes
yes i think the question we would like
to have answered tonight if
we have two different seasons we have
the boys who play in the spring season
we have the girls who play in the fall
season and uh the question we were going
to leave it up for our community we've
had a lot of compliments from tennis
players that use the courts and ask
about why they're down now
um and we've explained that you know
we're going through a process so
um
and that's why i think that's part of
the reason why we're here we want to try
to work out a compromise to try to make
it work for us and worked for our
neighbors and worked for the city as
well
and you took windscreens down to put
these up right you had dark ones up
there before
no
no not on the back side not on the stage
as you can see up there the
the track it runs right next to the
fence and so
a part of the thing we wanted to do is
to keep not only the wind away but the
distractions of runners
going running around when the tennis
match is going on and things like that
you know i'm sure you remember the
facilities are quite busy especially in
the springtime
and the fall
how many weeks in the spring and in the
fall do they play we start in the fall
august
uh august 1st
and it ends usually about
like mid-october
in october that is the fall season's
over and then we pick up again around
um march
ends in
in the middle of may well now they got
back more like june because we've had
we just had a state champion at one on
the day of graduation uh so that's
usually on the end of may
any other questions from the board
thank you thank you
okay um so audience members that would
like to speak on this uh proposal uh
please come forward one at a time and
state your name and kathy will swear you
in
thank you i'm nelson genshaft i'm a
lawyer i'm here to wrap up do you want
me to please please do you soundly swear
or from the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth i do
thank you thank you i'm nelson genshaft
i'm here representing two of the
stanwood south stanwood residents uh
howard schnitz and sam nudis
uh and they're going to speak so i'm not
trying to be repetitive but
i just wanted to make some points
the neighbors are objecting to the uh
proposal and asked the board to reject
it
this is a 400 foot length
screen
10 or 12 feet high it's not clear the
application says 12 feet but the the
notice of the meeting says 10 feet
it's 7 200 square feet of opaque
material that essentially creates a wall
in place of a fence
this is not a replacement as the
application says this is really
a new proposal
there hasn't been this kind of screening
in the past and
i'm not sure that there's been evidence
to
show a need for screening
uh at this point
what the neighbors are objecting to
under the ordinance under city code
rather
1223.0
is the height
and the building mass incompatible with
the existing structures
it obstructs sight lines
it uh creates potential security issues
because you can't see through the fence
either from the school side or from the
street side
and it's just bad aesthetics
it may affect property values
it may affect the historic preservation
of the neighborhood um and it interferes
with neighborhood gatherings which go on
on south stanwood when they're
especially when they're school events
going on and people
don't want to go into the event uh
necessarily but they want to mingle with
their neighbors on stanwood
the neighbors have no objection to
recognition for this shift family i know
we're not talking about signage but
those issues are are
are not
controversial everyone wants to
recognize the shift family for the
contribution to bexley and the tennis
courts
so um i'd like to introduce howard
schnitz first who's going to speak and
present some photographs that he has
which are not part of the record but he
wants to share with the board
please state your name howard schnitz do
you sign me swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth i do thank you
thank you all of you for your public
service we couldn't have this city
without you
just for a little background i have
lived near the school
since the late 1980s i lived at 341
south castingham
i now live at 330 south stanwood i
purposely live by the school the school
is a slightly different environment and
there's other people even here tonight
that have moved to our neighborhood
because it's near the school what
happens to the school you've heard it
all already
all kinds of advantages living by the
school there's kids playing on that
field every day something the there's
recognition events there's charity
events the roth run graduation friday
night football how many kids
are standing on those tennis courts on
friday night that don't have the five
dollars to get in
and and and we have completely forgotten
about
the impact on this part of our community
it's it so so the intention is and i
heard tonight for the first time that
it's maybe temporary that's not been
part of anything i've heard yet but
temporary or permanent you're sealing
off an entire area
from
you know
400 feet so i
i
you know i
you can't see in and you can't see out
uh i i i
i think it's a real frustration for
everybody that lives on stanwood road
nobody has any problems with the shifts
i spoke with mike schiff this week i
think he's agreeable to something that
would maybe
preserve everybody's issues i mean we're
concerned about what i would
characterize as historic preservation of
sightlines
views that might be more important than
windscreens we've never had windscreen
since the tennis courts were built on
the west
fence never that i know of i've lived on
on stanwood for
21 years 22 years
and
temporary permanent i just don't think
it's in in the best interest of our
community i think it could affect our
property values i think it absolutely
affects
my enjoyment of my property what i walk
out my front door now
and i can see anything that's happening
at the school outdoors it's fun it's
good for my kids and my grandkids
they're part of an entire community and
once you put those walls up and i've
given you five pictures
uh two of two of them were taken when
the windscreens were up and and the two
that looked similar but without the wind
screens were taken when they were taken
down i walk out my front door and don't
matter i mean i put my head on a swivel
no matter what way i look i see a 14
foot wall not a 10 foot wall i'm four
feet below the grade of my house
so it's
it's just nothing but awful and nobody
has come through the neighborhood
including people on the tennis courts
that are regular people there that you
people might know like mark leiffeld and
other people that are over there every
day
there's no doubt that the windscreens
would be some benefit there's no doubt
we've never had them before
and there's lots of other benefits on
stanwood road besides the need for those
screens and
these people have pointed out
all the links they went to
other schools and everything this is a
unique neighborhood this isn't like ohio
state or
crew stadium or any this is a
neighborhood
and and people own these we take really
good care of our properties on stanwood
road
we would accommodate anything our school
might ask us to do but this was this was
an overreach and i i appreciate all your
attention thank you very much thank you
please state your name samuel nudis
you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening i do
thank you
i live at 350 south stanwood i'm
howard's neighbor nelson's neighbor and
grossman's neighbor
um my concern is and
my i guess for me it's the aesthetics of
i call it a wall because it basically is
a wall there's no transparency to it
uh
i feel like i'm living at the bottom of
a swimming pool when i look out my front
door and that's there i mean
most my neighbors were paying tens of
thousands of dollars in city taxes every
year to look out and have no sight line
we bought our house in 2013
and one of the reasons we bought the
house was to be across from school and
have
interaction with what was going on there
and that's
gone we have no interaction anymore
besides a tennis match
um
i also want to comment based off my
profession i'm in the sign business and
i can tell you that the reason why
people often choose that grade of
transparency is because it's the easiest
to print not necessarily because it's
the easiest to see through the smaller
the hole the easier it is to print
because the ink doesn't settle in
um
howard mentioned this is a neighborhood
it is a neighborhood i don't live across
from cruz stadium i don't live across
from ohio state but i will share with
you i had an ohio state tennis player
over this past week and i asked her i
said
when you're out playing at ohio state
where do you guys set the windscreens
and they said at the ends of the court
she's never seen a tennis court in all
of her travels and
matches that
boxes the court in so to speak on the
sides
so i found that to be interesting from
you know an amateur semi-pro tennis
player's perspective
um not to say that it doesn't exist but
she said that she felt like it was
unique for the neighborhood and where
they play
um
yeah i'm just
we're here out of concern tonight
and i hope the board i think the board
considers our concerns and
we'll
let it be how we'll keep the process
going
thank you
please state your name
frederick nelson
islamics
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth i do thank you
thanks uh my name is fred nelson my wife
and i and our kids live at 310 south
stanwood the
northwest corner of stanwooddale across
from uh across from the tennis courts
uh
when our daughter graduated from the
high school last year our son is a
rising senior this year and ourselves
strong supporters of the school
we
also consider ourselves good neighbors
pick up the trash and uh
otherwise try to accommodate the school
uh my wife especially uh is hugely
volunteer time as president of parent
theater parents as president of the fire
parents uh we like the school and we
like being uh near the school and we
value the relationship that we have with
the school
and i don't blame the school for
thinking if somebody suggests a
windscreen meal and windscreen might
might be a good idea i think somebody
had asked me i would have said sure why
not
and then it went up
walk out our front door
and we're confronted with a solid blue
wall
running the full length of five tennis
courts
about a block and a half long
completely
screening
the school
and the football field
from the street
and radically changing the character of
the immediate neighborhood
cutting us off
from the air and uh
and space and the views
that we
we had there and not incidentally
perhaps also cutting off the tennis
courts from the view of the school i
don't know whether that's uh concerned
properly within your purview or not
but it is i think uh echoing sam
uh something of an aesthetic
travesty it really is
a monstrosity
uh so i'm glad from that standpoint that
the school did put them up for a week
before somebody prevailed on them to
take them down
uh pending these uh pending these
proceedings
i do want to echo our neighbors in being
clear that from my own
perspective from shannon's perspective
we're not opposed to the windscreens
that are currently up
that run perpendicular to the street
that don't destroy the character of the
neighborhood they don't
cut off the
views
we don't
i should say i don't think this is a
neighborhood uh
like
um my my sense is and i don't precisely
recall that the osu tennis courts are
not located in the same uh place uh in
relationship to the streets and the
houses uh i don't think the tenant
clifton tennis courts are in the same
place uh with regard to the houses uh
they are the houses immediately on
stanwood facing the the courts are but
we don't oppose the windscreens that are
out now and we wouldn't oppose
reasonable signage you want to take
the
words
the advertising on the the banners
the advertising on the windscreens that
were up there and take
the top part of that the lettering in
the same uh same size and so forth and
put it up as banners or restore the
plaques of the state champs who played
on those tennis courts i think without
wind sprints
and and who won there
uh that'd be great as far as we're
concerned the donors to the court
deserve uh deserve recognition for that
contribution the past champions
certainly deserve uh recognition or not
opposed to that we are opposed to the uh
remarkable transformation of the
neighborhood the transformation i
wouldn't guess until i had seen it and
that i don't think you can really
discern from looking at the uh
the partitions between the courts now
because they don't uh they don't
have the same effect
i've got to think with the interests
at issue that this is something that
could be reasonably worked out among uh
fair-minded people in a matter of
discussion over the course of 15 minutes
or half an hour
i'm just as glad as i say that that
discussion didn't occur before the
demonstration week
took effect uh
but uh
it it ought for now the way to start
that conversation
is not to uh approve a uh a monstrous
wall of this sort and i do uh echo also
the folks who've spoken before me and
thank you for
your time and your uh your service
thank you
is there anyone else
please state your name katrina grossman
do you saw me swear or from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth it is thank you
well i look beside sam
i just want to state also that
the first day when i came out and saw
that blue wall i just was shocked
because i feel like
that was my whole view you know it was
just as he said
all that the whole block of blue
i have to say we've lived there for
about 20 years
my husband played tennis for bexley my
daughter played tennis for bexley and
i've never heard
either of them complain about the wind
or the distractions or whatever my
husband still plays before a leg on the
courts so
i think that there's a lot of things
that you
expect when you
live across from the school like you
know what you're getting kind of now we
have we know we have a lot of kids
parking there's a lot of traffic there's
noise there's lights from the field
there's trash from the kids there you
know a lot of things and
you know that's part of the deal you
know that when you buy the house
but i wasn't expecting to
get a blue wall in front of my house and
i i have worked for a real estate
appraiser at times and i already know
there's a little ding against your
property value when you live across from
the school in general
um so i would just have to think that
would be even more
a ding on your property values
and it is a neighborhood and you know we
just
hate to see
you know it just
it just ruins it i mean
that's just you know whatever
that's all i want to say
thank you
is there anyone else
okay um i am not sure how we are
proceeding with this are we just voting
on the screens that were already
purchased to say whether we are
approving them or what are we exactly
or regardless if they're purchased or
not we're
recommending the location and the color
and then the board of zoning and
planning well what about height and
things like that and opaqueness
i don't see why that couldn't play into
that
um
in part of the confusion on the height
on one of the documents that i passed
around it said to be determined
on site so i wasn't really sure on the
height limit
and
was curious if in fact
that height is required to block wind i
mean i know that the fences have to be
tall to keep the balls from flying out
but i'm just curious if there's some
specific height that's
i have a question about that too i
actually play tennis and so um and i
have seen them on side courts where you
are playing out in the country and you
get a lot of side wins
i wouldn't think that this is a location
that gets that were you advised to buy
screens this high because we you were
getting high winds or what was the
reason for buying them so high
i mean
we need to swear you win i don't believe
we have yeah okay thank you
please state your name eli goldberger
do you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth i do thank you
um the part of the
as you can see there blocks the whole
fence and um over on clifton where
they're doing is you hang it
from the top they had two five footers
that were zip tied together to make 10
foot
of blockage over on clifton
um so we hang it from the strong post
that's on the top if you're going to put
zip ties at a lower level on the fence
it's it's
gonna
be harder to stay up so there's a pole
that goes across
um
and
does it need to be
that high
again the the the more that it's
blocking the less wind that you're gonna
have that's that's the idea
um but i think we've talked about having
a little bit less on the ends and maybe
tapering it in maybe 10 feet on each
port so it'd be 20 feet
i mean 10 feet on each baseline because
the possibility that there's less
effect if you will from the wind behind
the baseline the ball bounces inside the
baseline
and there's less effect on play
um
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from the behind the baseline to the
to the fence at the end of the back of
the baseline if you will can you clarify
your role here
i'm the athletic director of bexley city
schools
and i also played college tennis at the
college of wooster and taught tennis
professionally for years and
so i have a little bit of a background
in tennis as well
so and how are you advised on the okay
city of it what was what
uh what the gentleman said is true we
were trying to honor um our donors
and find a unique way to also
um
honor our past state champions
um and which was done in the past except
those signs that
the other gentleman referred to in the
past
were wooden signs which were heavier
and cause weight on the fence and if i'm
correct and during a heavy wind it
pulled the fence
out of out of the ground because it was
heavy uh objects that were
you know
bolted to the fence
that by the way was the reason why we
hadn't had wind springs in a long time
on those courts in that
back fence was because the fence was too
weak
to hold it that's why we renewed and
built a whole new fence
project so when i when i came in about
seven years ago
that that was one of the first things
that i was looking at to see is how are
we gonna revamp the whole tennis court
facility including fencing around the
whole perimeter because the fence there
was frankly dangerous that jagged edges
on the bottom of it and balls were
rolling
underneath and kids were reaching for
balls that were going out so part of it
was
to to revamp the fencing and in doing so
the fence is now strong enough to
support a windscreen
without pulling over
have you looked into ways of being able
to put them up just for matches is there
anything out there you know we have and
i think it would have to be seasonal in
my opinion because the weight of trying
in the time frame to to zip tie across
all of those to put them up and down
for just matches
would be um
it's it's just it's a full day
undertaking to put them up and then to
take them down and i actually
you'd spoken to to mike i think earlier
in the week i'd also spoken to mike
um we were looking into the uh
possibility of you know looking at it
like a drape if you will and to roll
them up and
the weight of these windscreens you know
to pull them up would get back to the
original problem of the fencing is that
the weight would be so heavy that it
would pull a uh
in any wind it would pull it down so
um structurally that's not really
possible i do think that it you know is
something that we could seasonally put
up and and take down um for the tennis
season so it would benefit our athletes
similar you know and again i just
reiterate i know people have been there
30 or 30 years ago there was grass
on our athletic facility on the football
stadium um since then
times have changed
turf is is something that
is is more playable
better conditions the weather that we
get in the spring and in the fall
grass fields are not feasible similarly
are
you know we want to be able to
constantly be improving the conditions
for our student athletes
um and and and from my perspective as an
athletic director
um
and this this is providing um a better
playing situation for our student
athletes
okay i still don't feel like i have a
clear direction of how to move forward
because they have bought these screens i
feel like we are voting on whether these
are appropriate or not and if they're
not then what they replace them with i
think needs more research i don't know
that we aren't tennis experts we don't
know what pacity it needs to be
i don't really want to vote on that well
i would keep in mind that this is a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning so you could just say
um you you could vote on a
recommendation for the screens as
they're presented
it could be voted no with the next with
an explanation
i'm not suggesting this i'm just kind of
answering the question that
um
that the board is in
i'm making this up this is not what i'm
the board's decision is but if the board
for example could say
we do not have a positive recommendation
for the screens in the color as they are
existing we would be in support of
windscreens recognizing
that that is an element of a tennis
court that is important
we're not experts
you can give it to
be zap to then go ahead and determine
because i think the print on the screens
is gonna the signage is gonna drive a
lot of
of this well and there's also the fact
that the bees app could remand the
the type of
screens back to the arb
but also i don't know where a baseline
is so when you're telling me all this
but i think if it was submitted specific
to what you were saying where they could
pull it back is it for each court or is
the whole so that's so if you
bill's got a pointer i think if we put
the mouse where the
um
next offend move in for the green meets
the blue or the white little line on the
baseline that's the baseline right there
so that part the ball obviously if it
bounces in the green it's out so
anything in between that that blue
area is the court of play
and so what i'm saying is that's about
10 feet of green on each side
so that's 20 feet per quart
that if we tailor that in
as a possibility that would that that to
me is a compromise that doesn't affect
necessarily uh
the
the the playability of the chords it
still blocks wind it also gives
visibility on each quarter that you're
talking 10 20 30 40 50 60
90 feet of more
of just straight fence in that area
you're saying basically from here to
here
basically 20 feet the baseline to
baseline would be
yes right
so you're gonna have a t you would have
a t of
windscreens you'd have no you're saying
the windscreens go that's real
here
that's what we need now
yeah
the top of the tee is open though it's
open yeah the solid is so the solid
would be above each of the blue chords
so they're all disconnected so you have
a solid open between the chords solid at
the courts running north south so you
basically have a screen where you so if
you go back to the yeah over there
jeffrey mansion
across the court you have the screen
yeah if you go back to the jeffrey
mansion uh
photo and i can oh sorry that's right
that's right see that's going all the
way across the two boards
um
across that's the baseline yeah that's
going across the baseline there they
only have one screen up on the top
usually i they usually have two and they
zip tie the bottom
half to that so when that picture was
taken to the bottom
um
the bottom uh
windscreen wasn't there they put two
five footers together and zip tied with
two screens for it i don't know why they
do that way but that's the way they did
it so the tops doubled over in that
photo
because that photo just doesn't have a
windscreen on the bottom so it has a
five footer just has the top and there's
no wind screen on the bottom there's
some kind of a mesh surface that was
there i took the picture
if you look at the other side
which is on the other port
that that's what they had before which
is ten feet going
to five footers together and so
that's what you would see and so
had this had the school come to us
as
required before they were purchased or
installed what would we be asked to
review we would be asked to review
whether or not it was appropriate to
install they would put together a design
and we would be approving a design so
just to kind of move this board
right the
testimony of the neighbors
was
very insightful in that
this screen creates effectively a blue
wall
that
appears to be at least 12 feet tall
with big old words on it
to me it's no different than if somebody
had built a blue building
on this site and if they came to us
wanted to put up a blue building with no
architectural features
that looks like a walmart we would not
prove it
i understand the purpose i understand
the intent and i think that's all great
but i would never
go to approve this kind of screening the
extent of it the color the size the
height and then when you put the words
on it it makes it even worse now it
really looks like a wall
and i just don't believe this board
would approve a big blue wall
in one of our residential neighborhoods
it's 60 feet long or 100 feet long or
however long it is
and
it is a neighborhood it is not a tennis
court on a college university or a
college or university campus which is
wholly different so
although i feel sympathy for the fact
that an investment was made
i believe that the recommendation to
these apps should be to deny this
screening
that and i would
suggest that this the athletic
department or the school should sit down
with the neighbors talk about what works
then come up with a better plan and
maybe it's a different color maybe it's
less
um
hope i'd say hopefully it's a different
color
hopefully it can be less intrusive
on the neighbors i get the practicality
of taking something down for
a six a three month
session and then putting it back up in
the spring that seems very inefficient
and could be a real budget issue who's
going to pay to do that right so finding
a better solution
that is not that this that that would be
my opinion and i would
i would put forth a recommendation
that the resolution be the
arb recommended those
that this not be approved
let me just add one thing too the
applicant has the right to ask to be
tabled as well
um we can't ask for it to be table but
if you that i just want to put that out
there if the applicant wants to table
this and work with the neighbors and
internally to come up with another
solution seeing where this is going
that's another option as well which is
probably a better option for you because
if we just deny you then you're dead in
the water no they get it's a
recommendation well it's but still your
chances of getting approved is probably
slim to none if we if we don't give you
a
a recommendation that it's approved
so i think you're better off to go back
work with the neighbors and see how you
can make adjustments to it to make it
shorter smaller
you know paint it i don't know what
you're doing make it more opaque
whatever you're doing to it so that you
can get by and from the neighbors and
i i think then the board will probably
you know
give you approval on that but face i
agree with joanne a big blue
tarp that honestly looks a lot like the
tarps that you put on your roof when you
are having leaks
is not a look that this board would have
ever approved so
i mean
does anybody other board members wanna
i mean this is goes to the
solar panel and slate issue in a way i
mean that there's too many unknowns for
for me to make an aesthetic an aesthetic
judgment
and there's so many things that could be
worked out as
ms drosser says so i think that would be
my preference as well
who brought the photos
thank you
i didn't see this in person
um
right
it's huge blue wall i mean uh and i
fully support and understand the efforts
of the athletic department and improving
the course so um
and i appreciate that they're here today
and we're getting to talk about this
but it is it is a huge blue wall and i i
could not support this
uh as submitted because of of that
really that that kind of separation
though that happens and the the two
photos of the one
i'm assuming after it was taken down uh
and and the one while was up is is
really telling of how much difference it
is
um so i i'm appreciative that those are
here
um
in saying that
there
i understand that there you know there
is a need and i think that the colors
and as much as i love blue that this is
a little too much blue for me uh so
for me there is i agree with mr heyer uh
that we need to know a little bit more
about the the actual submittal and the
facts of the transparent the
transparencies and and even material and
color and options but i would be
in the end i think it's going to need to
be a compromise it's going to need to be
a way for the community to work with
the
school district on what would be
acceptable and how we could
not just live with but be happy with the
solution
that one supports our students and the
athletes in bexley but also creates a
place for good competition or
neighboring schools that are coming in
and visiting and playing in our courts
uh feel that that's an equal imbalance
for places that they may play in their
own backyard
but that's balanced with
maintaining the community fabric and the
aesthetics that we have and we've all
grown the love uh and for me i think
it's it's a balance of and it was
definitely supportive of a
direction of starting to trim back the
blue
uh or the the screening but also of an
alternate color maybe the one of the
center panel is blue that has the text
on it because the text to me i
understand you can't print text on a too
fine of a mesh so you have to have that
a little bit more solid and if it was
one chord that had that at the length of
the actual playing surface i don't i
don't think that's a big deal and i
think those are the the options i'm not
thinking of a suggestion you don't know
make design decisions but it's those
types of options and then maybe there's
opportunity for the other courts the
other four ports to north to south of
that if that's where that ends up
falling uh maybe those are gray or or
black
um so that you don't have this entire
wall of blue the other aspect is looking
at the photo there is a intermediate
rail so was there any discussion or in
your fence line is it there's a
horizontal rail halfway up on the fence
which would could be a good strong
melting point for that is there a
i know there's a benefit for full height
get that is is there a benefit to the
playing surface if you had an only half
high
yeah no particularly yeah
so
again i think it's those types of
options and things that we need to
really address and get into so we can
find a
balance to improving the courts as well
as that
an ability to hang like eight feet or
whatever i get it
that's saying that
zip tied two five foot
where you're covering
basically from
down here up to above the head where the
window blows it affects the ball but
half of things it's still a lot of
weight
yeah i'm not an expert on travels
higher than six feet high you know when
you're hitting a ball it's over the
i don't think we're going to find a
solution tonight i think it's clear that
we cannot support this
and i i also wanted to emphasize that
in my
personal opinion i think the signage
makes it even worse it makes it look
like a billboard we would not allow a
billboard on main street let alone on
this street
and i i understand you want to recognize
the donors but it does i think it's
crazy the way that looks
you put up a billboard if you're going
to do that we would not approve a
billboard on that site
so for clarity for me
if it were changed to the
bigness of clifton
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i think if a proposal was brought with
the materials that we could see what it
was going to look like and perhaps a
rendering like we get from other
applicants if we could see the material
if we could see in a photograph what
it's going to look like in real life
which would be good for you too and the
neighbors to see what the heck it
actually looks like whether it's black
or blue or
uh less opaque or whatever the solution
is but it's hard to say what was
improved because we
don't have it when we approve things we
say let's see the shingle let's see the
color let's see the specs and that helps
a lot um
and then that president said
well
this is not a presidential situation
where from a legal perspective that is a
precedent so we have to followed that
every site is different and every site
is unique
and you know clifton is that that's a
different environment and here
you know we have to look at in context
of bad building so i wouldn't say just
because it's good and it at clifton it's
good here okay but but also i'd like to
point out the fencing along clifton is
also
uh has a landscape
on the exterior side of it so you're
spacing you can't possibly do that
one quick point this is from
professional experience something that's
85 or 90 transparent is optically a wall
you can't see through it when you're
looking at it
so when we're talking about opacity you
have to go way down
to see through it
at that point
yes
thanks
okay i also want to put on to the public
record um i have a letter here from matt
wolfe at 273 south roosevelt
in bexley i'm not going to read the
whole letter i'm just going to read his
summary
in summary i urge you to reject the
design approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for the windscreens for
the following reasons the opacity height
and the opacity of the screen is a
danger to public safety so
i just want to put that in the record
since it was sent to the city and it is
um
notarized
so at this point the applicant either
tables the application or we go to a
vote for uh recommendation or
non-recommendation to the board of
zoning appeals correct
zoning and planning
is there a board member is there a vote
on that or is it just yes yep you need
to with the recommendation to visa okay
no just table just table i just need
somebody to do a recommendation to table
well i'll make the recommendation
a second
mr
no
mr heyer yes mr scott
yes adam tony yes
okay so when you get table you are on
the agenda automatically for next month
so if something happens that you don't
want to come back next month you just
need to let karen know
um but what we'll be looking for next
month is like a
a real design something that we can look
at in elevations and color and and say
yes or no to that would be august 11th
nothing in visa
no
there's nothing at visap at this point
they won't go to b zap until
arb is done with them august 25th
understanding that you're recommending
that there will be some community input
before this presented to this board
again
that's exactly what so probably to
swap names or whatever now and come up
with a plan of how you can work together
to
to come up with a nice compromise we
can't require that but we would highly
recommend that you work with the
neighbors right it certainly has done
wonders for other schools that needed
approvals when they had the support of
the neighbors
would it be possible to get down
yeah we have 15 cases on our agenda
tonight so reach out to you we have to
we can organize this outside of it
all right
thank thank you thank you thank you
yeah give me a call john
thank you
okay our ex next application number is
arb
22-35 the address is 2456 sherwood the
applicant is sean snyder the owner is
bill
litvin
the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness to remove
the slate shingles and replace it with
slate like
certainty belmont stonegate
gray
asphalt
shingles i'm gonna ask karen to give us
a little bit of background okay
um this application is for the removal
of a slate roof
um and replacement with asphalt shingles
uh we
as a board have worked hard
to develop guidelines
um
that those who want to follow well let
me back up and just say a regular roof
um removal and replacement or repair
that is asphalt shingles just goes
through staff but it is within the city
ordinance that if you're removing slate
clay tile any really historically
significant um what we consider
important
landmark materials for the city of
bexley and you know any older
neighborhood that is architecturally
significant
they have to come to the board of
architecture review board i don't have
the authority to do that
um
we have developed guidelines which i can
put up on the board but they're they're
very long that we have given to this
applicant um
things such as um
letters that support the removal
pictures of leaks the replacement the
quality of the slate a cost of replacing
it or repairing it with um
slate tile it's a it's a process that
we're evolving as we go but this
applicant today
has um submitted everything that we have
currently done on the list
um
it's a it's a beautiful slate i'm gonna
put the picture up
the applicant is still very
determined i would say to replace this
slate with
asphalt shingles oops that's the wrong
project hold on just a second
yes i think nothing in here yes
yeah
you can come on up um we'll swear you in
as soon as i'm done but let me let me
put some of the pictures up of the roof
um these are the materials that have
been included a warranty
a um
the
example of the asphalt shingle that they
would like to replace the roof with
pictures of
the leaks in the house the pictures of
the slate on the exterior
a
estimate to repair the leaks including
the underlayment and metal replacement
for valleys what not from durable uh is
it from durable yes from durable
um
an assessment
and various more screenshots and
pictures of leaks so i can put up any
and all of those
but um
the applicant is here you can get sworn
in
please state your name uh bill litvin
2456 sherwood road do you silently swear
or affirm the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth i do
thank you
um so um karen i appreciate that um the
um i enclosed a note with the
application
um we have thank you um
we have
we obviously love the aesthetic of the
roof we love the aesthetic of our house
um
we've
not neglected the roof we've done active
repair work on it
call it every other year since we bought
the house
um we've spent close to five thousand
dollars on the roof so far the estimate
to repair the roof um current state is a
little over seven
um and
you know in in speaking with with um
with uh karen as part of this
you know if we were on a um sort of a a
program or a regular
um
repair to the roof where it was a couple
hundred dollars every every other year
or even every year we would be
all on board with that um but it's
actually cost us quite a bit more and
we're looking
at a substantial investment now so we
explored looking at um
replacing it with a
an asphalt shingle roof
and where
we sought out a high quality shingle a
shingle that is it's not slate but it is
slate like and it is a shingle that you
can see in other
houses in and around neighborhoods in
bexley
so we're trying to
find the right balance between
the aesthetic of the home and something
that is
reasonable from maintenance standpoint
for us
because
as was mentioned we do have
two active leaks in the home right now
and we're reluctant to do any repair
work on those um
that's in my office
and reluctant to do any repair work on
those
because
we don't know if the roof is going to
start to leak
again and so here to
try to find the right um
answer um i understand that this is a a
more complicated issue and um
that yes i mean we chose to live in
bexley because of the architect of
architectural significance of the homes
and our home in particular
but we're just trying to find a balance
that doesn't result in us spending
an inordinate amount of money on the
roof only to have it turn around and
leak
after we've had the repair work done
so i'm happy to answer any questions um
and just to give a little bit more
background because i feel like this is
fair to to explain our conversation that
we had
yesterday or today i can't even remember
they're blurring together
um i had we had a very frank
conversation yeah about my expectations
um of
these slate roofs and you know when
they're
on a significant what i would call
cottage style house i'm sure where
there's quite a few of them i i drove by
it today and there's maybe six five or
six of them that have these
um these slate roofs that are
um really beautiful
um
that the board you know may ask
them to get another estimate or
maybe the city needs to to get a review
of the slate so
we need to have a discussion and and you
can make your case but i i
really the expectation is that this is
going to be an intense discussion we
already discussed that
um and just so the board knows there are
still options that we can do
that the list
that i gave you was really done very
well and very complete but there still
are a few more things that we could do
like get another slate company
to get a second estimate and really to
understand
what that 72 25 would guarantee
and you know what is being fixed like
removing
slates over the years
can help but really doing the
the
valley replace of the metals and some of
the underlayment could actually solve
the problem so
um i don't want to go on too much
anymore but i want to make sure the
board understands that we've had a very
in-depth discussion and he's been lovely
about it
and understanding
okay um are you ready to go yeah yeah
i'm happy to answer answer any questions
is there an audience that wants to speak
about this application
let's start with mr heyer
yeah um
well i appreciate that you're coming
with a
uh with the belmont
uh it's not every day we get an
applicant who wants to take off their
slate show us
something that has a little bit of
architectural character so i appreciate
that
um
i mean in terms of i mean it's a
beautiful slate i hate i hate to see it
go
and the leak issue
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you know from my standpoint
most of the issues that any of these
roofs have whether it's asphalt shingle
or whether it's slate or any kind of
roof if there's a leak it typically has
to do with the underlayment and the
flashing it doesn't have to do with the
material the roof
so i just you know i automatically push
that off as not an issue in terms of the
slate it's an issue of just a roof that
that's got leaks
um primarily primarily due to
underlayment and
maybe some bad nailing that happened in
repairs or something like that and then
you have slates that come off and expose
areas i get that but
historic preservation we've done a
number of his slate replacements
and i can tell you that all the issues
we found had to do with the copper
flashing in the underlayments
where the water was penetrating
especially on rising wall flashings and
things like that
so
you know that being said it would be
nice to to have a company come in and be
able to explain that to you as as a
homeowner who
has a beautiful slate roof you know do
these companies come in and explain to
you
where the issues are why why
what they would have to i mean they're
talking about doing seven thousand
dollars worth of repair but if it's an
underlayment problem we're talking about
taking all the slate off anyway because
they'd have to replace the underlayment
yes so the the conversation with durable
which is the slate um
the 7200 repair was talked about um some
of the valleys and some of the metal on
the roof we didn't talk about
underlayment in particular but we did
talk about some of the
the the work that needed to be done on
the valley around that so it was a it
was a
medium robust conversation um with that
with that company
um
so i i did appreciate that from that
vendor
yeah
um
i mean we've gone over these issues so
many times the lifespan of a slate roof
when it's
installed the amount then the cost of
repair every year you know for slates
that fall into your gutter and
you know the
the veining uh
breaks off where the nail was or the
connector was put through and it falls
so
i i don't know where else what else to
say about it other than it's it's
sad
that we would
see another slate roof go
um
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follow up on that i guess i'm not really
convinced that it's not a good
it's not a good idea to repair a really
good repair situation and maybe it isn't
a good idea but i'm not convinced from
the materials that that's really
conclusive and it's an important house
it's an important feature of the house
as you know that's why you probably
bought it you loved it
and
i i'm afraid you're really going down
the wrong path because
properly repaired
by a competent company
you know
i'm i'm not sure you're going to have
this ongoing problem after problem and i
also one of my promises the letter
i see it saying that a slave room lasts
75 to 100 years or something i'm not
sure that's really accurate because
depending on the type of slate yeah i
think it can last much longer
and
properly repaired
of
we would deal with economic hardship but
i guess i'm just not convinced that it
is an economic hardship to repair and to
continue to maintain it
especially when you balance the
importance of the
that particular house in that particular
location and that particular roof and
that gorgeous
i had one of those
the slate the uh
shingle you're proposing i think that's
the one i have in my house
because someone had already torn off my
tile
and i look at that that shingle and i
think yeah it's pretty good but it's
still just it's still a shingle it's
asphalt it's not it's not the tile and i
think
you know you're gonna look at that and
go yep it's really not my slate and um
we're all going to say nope that's
really not slate so i'm i'm not
at least i'm not there yet to approve uh
removal yeah i i appreciate that and i
do want to address i mean we have had
durable as the the company who's done
the work on the house and so they've
come
and responded to prior leaks they've
come on the like hey it's been two years
can you crawl all over the roof and tell
us what needs to be done so we have done
um the earnest work on the roof um it's
just that
as i mentioned before if it were a
smaller
amount every month or every year or
every other year it would be a little
easier to swallow um
and i'm
you know so i i'm trying to find the
right balance
i'm curious because i'm looking at the
durable slate what they're recommending
and it actually says replace up
approximately 20 slates
all over the roof with similar salvage
slate and this includes missing and
badly broken
so when you compare that to
how many are actually on there i mean
i mean this might keep it carry it for
how many years but that's so we had them
out in 2021 and so this is 2022 so
that's
20 slates in the span of a year um and
we've asked them to do the same thing
every time they come out which is
come all over the you know come and look
all over the roof gonna fix the guy this
time got up climbed all over the roof
like spiderman
so um
how long have you been at this in this
house uh
2014 2014. so eight years eight years
and did you know what you were getting
into with a slate roof yeah our prior
home had a slate roof and we had done
probably ten to twelve thousand dollars
worth of repair on it um it was in
clintonville um which didn't have an
organization like this um so we
probably did 10 or 12 thousand dollars
worth compared to that roof before we
ultimately did replace it
so because you know as you know slate
requires maintenance almost you know on
an annual basis yeah and we and we
totally understand that
um and and we've committed to it and
we've committed to it in our prior home
it's just at some point the
pendulum swings too far
because you're not prepared in a sense
because you're not aware that wow why am
i buying this house where i'm going to
be where i know that it's going to be
exponential
i i think there's a
i don't know if i would characterize it
that way i think it's just from a
we know slate requires repair and if
it's the you know durable and some of
these companies have a minimum which is
x amount of slates if it were that
minimum every year totally fine but when
it starts to stack up
um and be more than the minimum
and we
fair point on the leaks earlier but like
when we were hesitant to do anything to
repair those leaks until we know like
sure it's sound that makes sense
um
but i'm just i'm just trying to
understand homeowners who have slate
roofs and take them off
you know
it's helping me to understand what
people are getting into what i what i
would hope is that a company that's
going to come in and make
recommendations and make repairs
would give you fair warning
somebody who's especially knowledgeable
about slate roofs should come in from
day one and say
look mr lipton i know that this roof is
going to cost you this much this year
but i can pretty much guarantee that in
the next five years you're going to
spend another 12 thousand dollars on
this roof yeah i think that's fair and
even i i don't know where it is and that
you're looking at the durable estimate
it'll in there somewhere they say like
the roof will always require of course
but but but if they're giving you a
number
that you that they us that they predict
you're going to be spending every year
based on their professional experience
and it winds up being
exponentially more than that as time
goes on
then
are you working with the right company
you know that that's part of my concern
here for
not just your property but for all
bexley properties in terms of getting an
honest assessment so that a homeowner is
not
making all of these costly repairs
only to know that in five or ten years
they're going to have to replace it
anyway
yeah i i think that's fair and um
again and we spoke a little bit about
this is like this this process was new
to us like we obviously didn't know that
this was a step that was required and so
i don't even know if there are you know
within the city of bexley obviously
durable's done work on our house so
they're licensed and can operate in the
city like are there
companies that can be certified to do
that and offer sort of what your i can
give you two or three other slate okay
repair and replacement there's a number
of excellent slate or roofing companies
that they might not be in columbus they
might be regional
but
they're some of them are excellent and
you know they're very competitive i'll
just put it that way
and they have excellent staff you know
that have long history working with
not only different kinds of slate but
underlayments and all that i
i would love to see you
uh
you know work with somebody who
is going to give you
like i said before a more honest opinion
about what what this is what's really
happening here no maybe what you've
gotten is what's happening yeah and i
hate to see that because of the time
frame that you've spent money on this
not knowing that you'd be out of pocket
this much money when they
basically told you that they didn't
think that was going to happen that it
was going to be three four hundred
dollars every year
yeah and i i i don't want to
mischaracter sure mischaracterize that
in any way so and we talked about the
potential of tabling the case to get to
give
you a chance to have a couple more
estimates doesn't mean you shouldn't be
loyal to durable and doing the work if
you decide to go that route but
informationally i think it's a really
important piece for you to find out and
also the city is committed to doing our
own assessment if it gets tabled
by an independent
okay um
historical preservation
company
are they are they are they proposing
copper for the replacement flashings is
it uh a galvanized
with durable yeah yeah it's copper i
think it's all copper yes copper it says
right here
there's your money
there's also chimney leaks and water
requirements well chimney leaks it has
to do with the flashing as well most
likely
the rising wall flashing at the chimney
i don't know that but there are other
ways to flash copper is great right but
there are other ways that are durable
um
so i'm just
when we look at one of these it it i
mean honestly it's heartbreaking from
our standpoint because the character
bexley is oriented around materials
and proportions of details and things
like that the wood the slate the stone
uh as as larry hellman would say one of
our historians he says
you know even this even the brick you
know
uh curbs on the streets you know in
north bexley are part of that character
the trees obviously
so
you know
can we run the gamut here and find a way
to
at least exhaust
everything we can before we make that
decision
yeah okay well if it's okay can we keep
moving i want to give pete a chance to
yeah of course some questions
i have a lot to say no
so
estimate twelve thousand dollars or part
of the actual cost over eight years
um
25 to replace it with belmont that's 17
to replace that the estimate had some
other stuff it had copper gutters in it
and it had the garage which we're not
doing
that's part of this so it's the gutters
the house has copper gutters on it now
so of course um
17 okay that's a little bit of resin
so
man loves i've never had such a
love-hate relationship for slate roofs
since i've
started the board uh right we we do
that's part of our kind of our almost
mandate is to kind of protect that
character because i understand i
understand here tonight
um
your proposed
replacement
shingle um
i think it's great i think
if you get the color
close i i think most people wouldn't
know
that it's not a slate material there's
so many products up there that try to
mimic slate i think this asphalt shingle
does a decent job you know if you look
at a 15 to 20 year
replacement on a 17 to 20 000 job
versus 12 000 every eight years you're
you're still paying more on maintaining
that slight roof and who knows what
happens
but you're not
hundreds of that you're ten thousand
maybe more maybe seven thousand over a
thirty year period
um
but then you know there's there is no
true number of how long a slight loop is
going to last so you know how long do
you actually keep duct taping that roof
eventually it's gonna be replaced so our
job is to hold on to this stuff as long
as possible but knowing that someday
it's going to get replaced
um so for me that argument is is good
and we should have those discussions we
should hear all the and i really
appreciate that you submitted all these
things
for us to review and then working with
karen i i really that makes our review
of this and our discussion a lot easier
so i appreciate that thank you
in the end for me it's it's curb appeal
it's the character of bexley as you're
walking down the sidewalk and the impact
of doing a even an architectural
dimensional shingle replacement versus
what you're proposing the this even
further upgraded material
it is much less painful for me to see a
better upgraded material that you're
actually investing in that character as
well you're not just trying to
you know fix your roof right you're not
doing this because you want to
you love asphalt shingles you're doing
it because you feel like you have to uh
and that argument we can continue to
have but
you know depending on how that goes i
you know this product that you've
submitted i'm in full support of
um if we can get to the point of
actually you know all the green
and this slate can come off
um so just to let you know that's that's
that's that's you have my support on
that um
we've talked about the repair costs to
to match the existing slate is there
been a
condition of i didn't see it and i i
did my best but i might have missed it
an actual report on the condition of the
existing slate we've seen some really
bad yeah there there's not a formal one
that's sort of implied with the durable
um that they believe they can repair it
but um the slate itself isn't failing
there's pieces of it that are seem to be
fixed but the yeah they believe they can
hold it yeah they can believe they can
repair it um the
um i have to believe and a little bit of
cynic and me would say is that they're a
slate roof company so they're gonna um
have a desire to keep repairing sleep so
how do you how do you find the right
balance of that well
we've seen some come through here that
it was a really bad slate when it was
installed from pennsylvania
well i would also point out that and
i've become so familiar with slate now
i've learned so much that even on the
durable
estimate you'll notice that it's not
checked off as ribbon slate ribbon slate
is the problem
so
that's good news for you um
maybe
um so that that's that's part of the the
discussion that we've had in the past is
that the actual material itself is so
deteriorating that there's no point in
duct taping because it's just it's
falling apart crumbling
i don't see that here so
that leans my
discussion and interest into you know
balancing out what is what is the
estimated repair cost over time versus
the full replacement to the new product
which i've already discussed is
i i don't have any objection to i kind
of like it um
so i don't have any definitive other
questions for you other than you know
just wanting to say my piece here it's
just i think i'm interested in
in hearing uh more what the board has to
say if that's the case or um
if there's additional material that's
going to be submitted estimates from
other
dislike companies
it is a beautiful roof
um
so that leaves me
you have a beautiful roof
i mean it's gorgeous
um it breaks my heart at the idea that
you want to tear it off to be honest
i would ask
that you let the city try to help you
find someone who can really get to the
bottom of the problem
and get it fixed appropriately so that
you aren't dealing with thousands of
dollars worth of repairs every year
knowing that you're going to have
the checkup of
you know five or six hundred dollars
every year because i think that's what's
pretty normal
um
and i uh
i would ask that you table this and work
with the city for at least another month
and see if we can help you fix it and
keep
that beautiful roof on your gorgeous
house
here's a question
would you it was just hypothetical
question i didn't even have to answer
uh
if you could spend seventeen thousand
dollars on fixing this roof right then
it's not gonna leak and it's
you know would that be a course of
action that you would take if it would
last 30 years because again when
last week's shingles don't last nearly
as long as sleep
in the hypothetical sure
i mean so that's that's that's that's
kind of a little bit of what i would be
interested in is like okay
you're putting an investment in your
roof you want to fix these issues and be
not have to worry about it anymore i get
that
uh but you're also a fan and a supporter
of the
aesthetic of what you have
you know 17 000 does that actually get
you much in sleep repair
probably not a ton you're not ripping it
all off and putting it back on
um but that would be a question i'd be
interested in you know if what what
these roofing companies would say well
if i'm going to give you a 15 to 20 000
investment in fixing this you know what
could be what could be done so i'm
guaranteed that this will last another
30 years i guarantee is a hardware right
right yeah no i understand
there are people out there too um i i my
last house had a wood roof and i had my
guy come out every year
and he was very honest with me you know
when i got five years out he said
honestly you probably only have five
more years left in this roof and then
the next year he's like
i can't even get up on it this year so
i'm he was just really honest with me
and i think that that's maybe what you
need is someone who isn't
just a slate person to come in and say
here's what you really have um
i if you have a great slate it might
have another 100 years in it right
and so that's what breaks my heart we
talk about that it might eventually be
torn off but not in my lifetime
and that's what i think bexley's goal is
is to try to keep some of the heritage
and the quality of the materials here as
long as we can so
i mean i would ask as as staff i mean
it's up to you whether to take a vote or
table this case
i i put this picture up because you can
see
how much
i know this is elongated i had that
picture problem that i'm working out
with technology but the the roof is so
prominent as what you see in your house
from the streetscape
that i'll i'll work with you the city of
bexley will get an independent
um opinion on the slate and
if it's not repairable
with a guarantee of some kind of
manageable maintenance that's reasonable
you'll come back next month
okay i i'd be willing to table it and if
you and i and can work together on it um
and then we'll see where it goes
awesome thank you no thank you guys yeah
thanks okay so um
we just need someone to make a motion to
table that's still next month still
moved
so table to a certain date august 11th
we need a second person
all right thank you thank you so much
thank you also for how great you have
been to work with and i'll read that
do you think we don't have to vote
the request of the applicant i don't
know if it's necessary because they can
file a letter even before the meeting
and say we want to table our application
okay
okay our next agenda item is arv 22-37
the address is 2404 fair
the applicant is bryce jacob the owner
is tyler chamberlain the applicant is
requesting architectural review and
approval
and a certificate of appropriateness for
a mud room addition off the back of the
house so this is the uh
item that was on the original consent
agenda
that is being added back in so um
we'll have karen give a quick okay
i'll give a quick
um
i also want to chime in on some
background because this was actually
before the zoning board
at one point for a variance where the
addition was two stories oh i was gonna
give that all
oh okay that's okay
you can do it
anyways so there was a two-story
addition that was that needed a variance
went to the board it actually was
approved it was reheard by the board
asked for reconsideration which they did
and the variance then
was
gone
so the
applicant has this is a different
applicant for this homeowner and they've
submitted a one-story addition which
does not require
a variance because they do have the
proper separation between the addition
and the detached garage
our concern with the
previous proposal with the two story is
that the neighbor
the way their house is situated the
neighbors all have large structures that
seem to box them in
so i guess there's been some thought put
into what they're what they've
redesigned and resubmitted
based on that
yeah that was wayne that was a
good explanation of what came before us
before i wasn't even going to go into it
because i was going to talk more about
the process so that the
neighbors understood why this was a
consent agenda item um which is also
noticed so um i i
um
any case this is a vastly different
project vastly different it is a
pretty much
right here where you see that shed
edition
that's there currently
they're just kind of expanding that out
and making it into mud room that's it
it's not two-story it's not hanging over
yes
um
so
um
in the staff report i kind of explained
that briefly um i was pretty pleased to
see that
the siding will match they're using the
stone to skirt the bottom
it's just simply um utilitarian like an
additional mudroom piece which the
designer i called him because i didn't
think he needed to be here so i text him
really quickly to get here
to put it back on the agenda
we did have a very good discussion which
now i'm going to put on public record
that um the only thing disappointing
about this to me was
um the asphalt shingle roof when the
whole rest is a beautiful slate roof and
he totally agreed and agreed that he
would bring it up to the homeowners
about putting slate but that the cost
was it was extravagant it was over the
top because of the small amount
it's the cost is scaled so a tiny tiny
bit of slate is very expensive so we
talked about doing a standing seam metal
which
you know i have a history with this
board for a very very long time i was
pretty confident that having two
separate materials that aren't competing
like a asphalt and slate would be
appropriate i put that in the staff
notes and the staff i mean the board
seemed to agree that this could go on
consent um my bad in some ways because i
had forgot not forgotten but i really
didn't think this was going to be very
controversial i probably should have
reached out to the neighbor knowing the
history but that's not really my place
so
if neighbors come to me i respond but i
don't really go out so
here we are
that's why it was on consent because it
is
um this is this is the project right
here the windows have pretty much been
duplicated in the same proportion as
what is already a mixed
square grids and rectangular grids
um what looks like concrete block is
actually the siding to a match existing
the details are on here the doors
um
are match exactly
to what's already there
yeah but i just wanted to make sure that
the um neighbors understood kind of the
context of which it was approved as a
consent
or
suggested as a content
please state your name i'm bryce jacob
you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth i do thank you
just explain the project
i can it's a eight-foot addition comes
out eight feet we're matching materials
we're actually taking the stone off that
bump that karen referenced that is
coming off
and we're salvaging that stone to go
along the perimeter of the foundation
so we keep in character with that
finding that exact stone we had looked
at possibly doing the addition in the
stone
and quite frankly we don't think the
stone would really look good with the
patina that's on there and what we would
be able to find it'd be very difficult
so we thought matching in character with
the garage and with the upper portion of
the home would be suitable
um did have a conversation with the
homeowner after karen and i spoke
and they are
supportive of standing roof
that was a conversation we had early on
the slope is going to be
very close anyway to not being able to
be shingles
we were going to field verify that and
could have possibly suggested standing
seam so
the fact that we're going to that now
really kind of saves us a step later
anyway
um but that is something we're
completely agreeable to i i'm relieved
because i don't like the shingle
to be very honest with you but
i think the standing seam on that
section it's a shed roof
uh would look very nice you're not
really going to see much of it the
neighbor may from uh from an upstairs
window might be about it but
it really doesn't project out very far
it stays at 10 feet from the garage so
that's where we are with it okay
thank you you're welcome
um
do we so uh would you like to come up
and speak next then
i appreciate it yeah
come forward so we can get you on the
microphone
she was already sworn in
thank you thank you i appreciate the
detail um when we got the notification
and then i looked at the um renderings
that you sent um
it wasn't clear to us looking at that
what exactly was entailed as karen
and kathy alluded to
we had a very very
um
unsettling experience
with our neighbors
a year and a half ago with respect to
their proposed
two-story extension
so
this time around we wanted to be sure
that we fully understood
what was being proposed what our
neighbors wanted to do we understand it
better now we don't have an objection
and so do appreciate your time and
appreciate your explanation as well
thank you thank you thank you
is there anyone else in the audience
then that wants to speak about this
application
okay
okay because this was a consent agenda
item is there any board member that
wants to speak about this or
are you okay with
just going to a vote well now that we've
had a chance to look at it
a little bit more
here we go i am not surprised no no no
the only thing that i would recommend is
that those windows next to the entry
door on the back
um you're squeezing up that light so
much that you just change the mutton
pattern so it's just maybe one bar down
the middle which you have on your door
and that way the the glass pattern is
the same as the rest of your windows on
your house i think it's just a drafting
thing like when people use cad they just
take the window and squeeze it in and it
smooshes everything but
just just to make it a a center mutton
bar instead of two because
you're really making it look like jail
bars
and you're losing more glass so that's
my only recommendation i also have an
addition on my house that has a
roof that's this slope with standing
seam metal and i do see it from my
garage and i love it so
yeah
good suggestion on the mutton bars
that's
anything else bill no
okay is there someone that would like to
make a motion to read the findings nope
yep sorry about that uh the finance
effect and decision of the board for
application number
arb-22-37 for property located at 2404
fair the architecture review board finds
the proposed one-story edition is
architecture compatible with the
existing structure and further moves to
approve a certificate of appropriateness
as submitted
okay is there still someone that would
like to make a motion
second
i will read the rule mr scott yes mr
higher yes
mr asser yes
ma'am tony
yes
thanks
so you are approved thank you thank you
i'm going to ask that we all take a 10
minute restroom break we still have i
think four more
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uh two
reviews so i think this might be a good
time to take a quick break
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are you fully charged now bill
you guys are good on your
laptop
he needs to play hard he works hard
okay we will resume thank you
the next application is number bzap
22-26 the address is 377 south roosevelt
the applicant is dean verlon
the owner is nathan green the applicant
is requesting a recommendation to the
board of zoning and planning for
architectural review
and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for a garage with
an ease high receiving nine feet
wait what did he say it's 386 north view
next that's g
no that one's moved to the end
peter
yeah
for his request okay thanks
sorry too many architects in this room
right now
uh karen will give up okay brief
background which one are we on
377 south roosevelt okay
um this this project is before this
board for architectural review
um for a recommendation to be zap
because of our new garage ordinance
which limits eaves we're not here to
talk about this but this i want to
explain why
it's before this board um which limits
the eave height to nine feet nine feet
nine feet um this
garage is planned
and designed as having a shed roof
um
there was a request
for more information which i did put on
the website i hope you all had a chance
to look at it a few days ago actually
when i first posted it it had the
building heights and the materials and
all of that
some of it was missing but it's all here
um
it is
an interesting design with the carport
and some storage i'm gonna let the
applicant talk about it but i believe
that the intent is to have the exterior
um match the existing home it's a
beautiful
home that's been renovated
i don't know if you guys did it or not
but
um the the architect will come it's
actually not dean who's here um but you
can come on up
we'll swear you in too so you can talk
about it
um
so even though the ridge height
limit is 18 feet the eave height is
still limited to nine feet so this is
the first one of these where we've had
the shed where it's yes
so here we are i'm gonna be able to
go down to the uh
please state your name
steve hurt do you solemnly swear or from
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth i do thank you
okay while kane's trying to get it
pulled up can you give us a quick
so our client wanted to do more of a
carport kind of thing and there's
actually another one
next door that
is
so it's more of a modern take on this
garage or
carport
and we just wanted to have this simple
slope and
sort of an open structure
uh there's a tree in the backyard that
they want to
be able to see
and they like the idea of sort of
looking through
um
the other reason is
to save that tree we're pushing this
thing we're pushing this carport more
forward
um
so they wouldn't be able to use that
back yard space
okay so what is the
the height of the eave that you exceeded
we're starting at nine and going up to
12.
so it's a very low
slope metal roof
horizontal siding like the
upper portion of the
addition
the main house is brick
then they have the board and batten and
the horizontal on the back
so it goes right where that asphalt
is
and we're just keeping it
i think it's 10 feet away just so that
we can deal with fire ratings and things
like that
that's the minimum setback required
and that can house two cars is that
correct
yes
anything else
i can answer any questions
pete can i start with you
sure
um
so it's an interesting argument when you
have an eve zoning regulation at nine
feet and the ridge at 18
but when you don't have a ridge
how do you define that i felt bad right
yeah well it's just
it's it's assuming an architectural
style which uh
we don't
dictate here so um
right off the bat i have no problem with
that because you're maintaining the
knife for ridge you have a starting
point there's a spring point you could
have easily done a 12 12 pitch and had a
eave height at 18 and this thing would
have been a massive structure so at 12
feet facing the street not the
neighbor's house and they were seeing
the side profile of a window
i think proportionally it's interesting
the rear photo of the house
uh with the siding um
i think is what really kind of connects
us for me right now the first floor
exciting is vertical you do have the
horizontal siding on the second floor
so i think there's some argument that
they could go vertical in the garage or
horizontal
maybe six one and a half dozen the other
but um
so overall i
i think it's uh
you know they're the thing about bexley
and its garages over the years
if you drive down any alley and you'll
see traditional garages you'll see flat
roof garages concrete blocker there's
just
an eclectic mix right we could all argue
um
you know which one we like best but in
the end it's it's it's really an
aesthetic thing and it comes down to
quantifiable things like scale and
materials and things
so i'm okay with the materials i'm okay
with the scale on this uh and i think
though it doesn't
i wouldn't say the architectural style
matches the house in any way i think the
details can do that and the shape is
allowed to be a little bit more modern
it's not foreign it's just it actually
it's kind of what you would see in
bexies is you have this very
you know significant style architectural
house and then the garage in the back in
the alley would be something a little
more simple or doesn't have to match all
the time so i think there's there's
plenty of argument for that it doesn't
have to match exactly and i don't really
have any objection to it at all
and it does seem like the era of the
carport is this
mid-century kind of
it is but i wouldn't call that house
specifically oh i'm not saying the house
is i'm saying
when people built cardboards
true that's what they look like no again
i think it's
i overall i think it's it's it's it's
subtle and it's in its its efforts in
its design and it's it's comfortable in
what it's trying to be and i think
that's what i enjoy about it that is you
know it's kind of this unique way of
of
having a carport we don't see many
carports coming through
actually designed so that that's maybe
another discussion but that's not
against the wall right or something so
yeah what am i going to say no i'd like
you so i have something to say
i'm the non-architected room um
and i have a hard time with this i don't
i don't get it i don't see how it
relates to the house
if i were a neighbor i'd look at it and
say
what's that doing there like that that
doesn't make sense to me
i like the design on its own
very much
but i'm
i'm not keen on the way it's it relates
to the house
i'm glad you spoke pete because
i can hear
i hear that i and i can appreciate that
the materials are beautiful the design
is beautiful
i'm not
in favor of it because
i don't see how it works
i don't think it enhances
the property
yeah and and
most of that is so it can be open and
transparent and
putting a traditional roof on
something like this that doesn't have
real walls
which
would seem like a foreign notion
so we're not trying to
match the house one
i don't want to chuck that but the one
reality is if you went to my house and
ripped down two of the walls nobody
would want to look at that
with all the
stuff that's in my garage so having it
enclosed is nice
uh we have those little storage sheds
you do which yeah i could get like a
tenth of a fifth of my stuff in there uh
so that would be my only concern on this
uh
yeah but you know garages are for
storing stuff um so if you're just
parking a car in there and it's like a
1950s
you know pheromone or something maybe
that's awesome but uh
that's something we need to think about
too
sorry
is there a um is there any idea that
this would be i mean this
transparency this openness
you would set up like a dining room
table there'd be a table there and you'd
have outside dinner with your friends
and things like that because we're
seeing a lot of that now honestly
and that's a beautiful thing i love it
put up the party lights and maybe your
neighbors don't like it but i think it's
great
i have no issue with this design at all
and partly because
if you visit
some of the alleys in south bexley
you'll find that there are carports that
have one slope
with a colonial house in front of it
it's not uncommon to see you know
carports like this i also don't even
mind the mix in style honestly and the
fact that from the front you're only
going to see that 12 foot eave
from the road right and then it slopes
back to the back of the lot there's no
sense that you're
looking at a one slope roof
for the from the public view correct
correct the other thing is
the
your two neighbors to the north
i don't know if you played off of this
but their additions on the south side
both have similar proportions to what
you're proposing for your garage they're
different materials
but it's very open and it's you know
horizontal and all that so you're
basically designing something that
already fits the character of the
neighborhood
based on all of that i think it's great
i don't have any issue with that also
you could argue that the 12 foot is
actually the rich and not the eve
i would like to argue that one side
but i'm not i i hate to use that as
precedent though because somebody's
going to come and say well i want mine
at 18 feet now yeah no carport at 18
feet it's an important thing for kathy
and i didn't know because you know this
is a new ordinance a new revision
and sorry that you're a learning case
but it would be good to have that
clarification at pizza because without a
without an area of variance potentially
this could have just had staff review
we've
we've had that discussion even in our
office and we actually on these single
slope larger projects where we have
these types of caps on on buildings we
just call low even a high eve because
they're both technically and eve in a
way but it is the high point of the roof
so technically you could call it a ridge
well definitely we'll need to have a
discussion
outside of this project well i think you
clarified because it's a single slab
roof right you're talking about the
ridge of the single slope we need to
clarify that in the order if there were
two of these as bookends karen and i'd
be signing off on it possibly
yeah well but that would make it
larger again my point about the
neighboring properties is to show that
this you know as ms strasser said in
another review
every project we look at is unique you
know the context is unique you know the
how we look at it is
special and
i think that's going to happen again if
we get other roofs that come up in this
mid-century type of or even more
contemporary
um yeah i appreciate your comments on
that because i wasn't able to drive by
this and
i didn't appreciate it really
it really fits in and the other thing is
is if you go north maybe five or six
houses
there's a really
bad well i shouldn't say that excuse me
there's a really uh oddly proportioned
side edition that's like it's got like a
14 foot eve and
you know so
i don't know what it is about this
street you know north roosevelt you know
that you would have or is it still
considered south roosevelt at this point
yeah it's still south
you know that there are all these
interesting
horizontal structures that are open like
that within different materials so i
think it's great
okay i love it i love the simpleness of
it
the material is everything the only
reason i didn't put it on consent was
because the original drawing that we
were given didn't have dimensions on it
and i didn't know how high the eve was
yeah and so that was the only reason i
was asking um for more information on it
so but i think it's very cool it would
actually work great with my house so
and the drawings were sent to me within
minutes when i asked so thank you
okay um
do you want to
put a vote on it tell me to read should
i read the findings yeah if is it in
public yeah is there any public comment
anyone else in the
let's talk about this
okay
the findings of the fact and decision of
the board for application number bzap
dash
for probably located at 377 south
roosevelt the architecture review board
finds the proposed garage carport
is architecture compatible with the
neighborhood
structures and further moves to
recommend to the board of zoning and
planning for approval of a certificate
of appropriateness
okay so there's someone that will make a
motion please
so moved
second
uh mr scott yes mr heyer yes
strauser yes
madam tony yes
these happen two weeks
thank you
okay our next application number is bzap
22-32 the address is 199 north
cassingham the applicant is brian
marzick
the owner is judson dunham
the applicant is requesting a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for architectural review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a new one-story
garage with attached office and covered
porch
22 32.
we see what happens in 944 eu claire we
have 944 euclair as well
which is 22.29
no
you i was asked to put it back on from
this first list because that's the one
with the two story the additional half
story
okay this is what you sent me right
before i left my office
um amy's here she knows that it's not
okay
yes it did not get voted on i'm sorry
about that so it's not on your fault
because originally i had proposed it on
my
list but there were too many um
issues that needed to be discussed i
already discussed this with amy as well
so it's bet it's not on consent even
though it might be labeled on the draft
agenda it wasn't uh it wasn't one that
was no it wasn't i don't
it didn't go to consent no no for
okay no for the reading no it didn't
okay so we will back up to be zapped
22-29 the address is 944 euclair the
applicant is amy lauerhouse the owner is
chris and kennedy stembridge the
applicant is trusting a recommendation
to the board of zoning and planning
architecture review and approval
and a certificate of appropriateness for
the conversion of a one-story home to a
one and a half story home
left karen get up a little bit about
that okay
yeah sorry this this item in
just my way of explanation was something
i thought could be on consent but there
were too many items that the board
members wanted to have um addressed and
answered so um we did not vote on it
amy's here to to talk about it this is
the um a half story edition yeah to an
existing one-story home
um
i thought it was you know a good
proposal except that there was some
confusion
on my part i thought it was just on my
part but a couple board members as well
in the plans that yeah um there it was
very hard to understand what was
happening with the front
those tiny dormers which i do think are
a little bit proportionally small but
we'll let the board members
um chime in on that but it kind of
looked like the center dormer
um was bigger on the plan but not
represented that way in the drawings so
we just decided that it was best to come
up here and talk about it i'm happy to
clarify so if you want to get sworn in
and i'll just let you present this they
need please state your name amy larose
do solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
yes the the confusion i think is the the
elevations are correct the plan is
correct but i think what the confusion
was is when you look at the second floor
plan
it looks like the front center dormer is
bigger
but
actually it's it's not bigger it's just
the rafters of the roof are coming down
and opening that space up to so that
when you come in you can see up into
that space
that's kind of there so where you see
the dashed lines in there that's the
actual opening of the dormer and then
it's the rest of the roof is sloping
down to the rafter bearing
the shed roof
no no
um
it's just showing the open space yeah
it's just showing the
i mean i didn't cut it because i wanted
to show the
client that when you are standing at the
bottom of the stairs you can see up
and you can see the slope of the roof
that's the issue i think
i didn't expand that outside wall just
where it says open to below yes can
actually probably be at the first
yes yes oh yeah
i'm looking at the background
i am i am that was more
to show the client what that was but now
that
you brought it to my attention i totally
understand why that would be graphically
it looks like it's proud of the vertical
it isn't yes it's just it's that's just
the first floor wall with the slope of
the rafters and technically it would be
in line with the other two yes well the
dash line is yes
but your cut line of the next yes
yes yeah it was a mixture of a plan
yeah
where to show that cut line is sometimes
confusing but um yeah so that that was
the intent i guess
and as far as the size of the dormers um
you know i think they're proportional
traditionally it would just be
you know enough for the window casing on
the inside and then the wall and that
that would be the width um
i personally think a lot of dormers now
are too big but
that's just my personal opinion so i
think they're proportional but certainly
if
we want to discuss that i'm open to that
as well
okay is there a board member that would
like to go first
i don't have any comments or questions
i i have um i mean i think it's great i
these things are you know as you know
when did it start it started probably 20
years ago maybe more when upper
arlington you started to see all these
ranch houses and they're blowing up
making him two-story a lot of architects
made a lot of money
it was and i think it's still going on
but
it's great to see this happening it
really is i love it
and yes the colonial dormer is long and
skinny
what you can do though is
if you want to um
you can splay the walls when you get
closer to the top of the knee wall
so in plan it would be from the window
up and then you can actually splay it
and it actually opens up to the room
more but it's happening underneath the
rafters you're talking about in plan in
plan yeah yeah yeah i've done that
before yeah yeah yeah and a lot of
clients like that because it's happening
under the roof but it makes the room
feel like it's bigger and the dormer
feel like it's more open yes lay those
walls i i actually do that quite a lot
yeah yeah but otherwise i think it's
awesome
i'll repeat the same thing i think it's
awesome i think he did a great job of of
not really
significantly impacting but actually
improving the facilities thank you good
job thank you very much
i just couldn't understand that dorm
around that's okay i i understand
okay is there anyone in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application
the board for application number
bzap-22-29
for property located at
944 euclear
the board
architecture review board finds that the
conversion of one story to a one and a
half story
home is architecturally compatible with
the existing structure and moves to
recommend to the board of zoning and
planning for approval of a certificate
of appropriateness
do you understand finding that yes okay
board member make a motion please
so moved
second will call her roll miss strauser
yes
mr heyer yes mr scott yes madame tony
yes
thank you
okay up next application number b zap
22-32 the address is 199 north
cassingham the applicant is brian
marzich the owner is justin dunham the
applicant is requesting a recommendation
of the board of zoning and planning for
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a new
one-story garage with attached office
and covered porch
karen will give it a little bit of
background sure this um again is a
garage that is
needs a recommendation to go to the
board of zoning and planning um
this this is actually i uh
i'm gonna bring up the pictures of a
very small house
um
and the garage is being added for both
the use as a garage but i believe also
as a home office i'm gonna let
ryan come up be sworn in and talk about
it
um
you know
we have
this happening a lot now with um people
working at home and our small garage
requirements and
we've had these come before us
um
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to as additional space especially when
the primary home
is um pretty small
so i'm going to let brian talk talk us
through it it is a one story
there isn't a second story correct
that's correct
so it is a one story house that matches
the existing
um it just they're just asking for some
extra space for a home office
please state your name raise your right
hand brian marsich you saw me swear from
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth i do thank you
yeah so that was a pretty good summary
um
you know right now so the lower left
photo here that you're looking at is an
existing
uh sort of up until covid was
just a shed
sort of a
parking a covered parking uh where you
could stack two cars
um
but during the course of covid uh the
owner needed a home office and sort of
did this conversion
uh on his own and loves it
and so
kids growing up
buying extra cars the need for a home
office sort of led to this solution
you know and the challenge these days is
always it to get the space
in the garage it's either you're
fighting the height or you're fighting
the footprint
and so we are fighting the footprint and
i'm going to let the homeowner actually
give some more arguments as to why the
one story
versus the two-story
um
you know is where we ended up on this
project
so
architecturally i think it's really
pretty
simple although
having printed the
new code today
obviously we knew we were over
on the
footprint
but now the new coat like i i'm going to
have to adjust these slopes as well
is this one that's 18 yeah inches so
you're going by six inches yeah so i you
know i was kind of used i thought 20 was
the code but now
on this lot side is eight like lot size
it's 18 so
you know to look forward a little bit
hopefully that's something i could just
work with karen on adjusting the slope
to get that down and i don't think
that's a problem at all um
so i just laid myself under the bus in
front of the bus on that one
but again i think architecturally
the forms will lend himself to a lower
slope roof and that can be adjusted or
you're trying to match the existing roof
pitch
not really i just like more volume than
the garages i know you know you gain
storage in the rafters and i you know
my garage looks like pete's
not that i've seen it but he described
it earlier and i know exactly so any
chance you know me as a homeowner and a
garage lover
can make give more volume i just do it
and so
that's how we ended up here i think um
you know short of matching the existing
i don't i don't think
um
it's it's probably even steeper than the
existing again for me my perspective is
getting more volume even storage up in
the rafters and stuff with no attempt of
actually getting a second floor of
course um
and then uh
you know the idea was to have sort of a
flex space
in this room you know not only will be a
home office with a full bath but uh
visiting in-laws visiting grandparents
um
a son who will probably always be living
with the family
there are many needs again i'm going to
let the homeowner kind of speak to some
of that
as to why
it is a one-story solution versus a
two-story solution and just to remind
both the applicant and the board
we need to look at this as if if it's
approved by the board of zoning and
planning if the design and architecture
is appropriate so some of the not to cut
anybody off for you're welcome to
explain anything but the reasons for
needing a variance or for zoning the
reasons you're here is for aesthetics
and design and to that point as staff i
do agree that the one story is a better
solution than the two-story um
because it's not as it's not competing
with the primary structure as much
yeah and even though the you know the
footprint is is larger
the neighbors of the north were actually
kind of decreasing because that one
comes into the to the you know to the
backyard
uh
a pretty pretty pretty good distance and
on the site plan i have that sort of
dashed in of what's getting demoed uh
so you know we're kind of actually
taking away some of the exposure to that
northern neighbor
in this effort so the dash line is the
footprint of these yeah that heavy
long skinny left and right rectangle
uh is that existing shed
that will come down
just for
for because i'm thinking about now so i
want to make sure you know that um
whether this is recommended and positive
or negative when you go to the board of
zoning and planning it's very helpful to
draw either just an elevation or section
that includes the primary house and the
garage so we can see
the height so the board will be able to
see the height or lack thereof
differences
does that make sense
but if if i work with you to get that
i'm not looking we're not looking to get
a height variance no no i'm saying
that's to your advantage okay and
showing them a one story
in elevation with the house
you have it in footprint yeah i'm saying
okay i understand yeah
anything else uh and just lastly the
third component of this sort of covered
porch uh you know the owner at some
point expressed maybe a project down the
road of having something
covered attached to the house i'm like
well let's maybe take this opportunity
to just include that i think it helps
sort of the
backyard cottage architecture going on
as well
is there a board member that would like
to go first
i'll go first i if you consider putting
any
thing to break up the north elevation
it's pretty long
on
yeah i under i understand uh the uh and
admittedly their
original uh design had a break there or
the roof the roofs
uh
where the break in the roof is there was
also a break in the wall
uh
but the owner really wished he's like
you know they wanted to do this they
wanted to keep it as far north as
possible
you know to not encroach into the yard
south
so you know having a one foot break at
that point
um
you know it was like you know i think
the logic was it's one foot of more
wasted space on the side of the garage
so
maybe
maybe a corner board maybe i i don't
know i like i like kind of keeping the
slopes the same on the roof
um
yeah yeah no you're yeah number six
yeah it's it's a lot of siding i i see
it in um
well why not a window
in our burlington
in upper arlington you're required
i mean other jurisdictions you're
required you you can't have you know
blank facades i think on the maybe it's
on the
i don't remember but i just
is it a privacy issue is is it
no it was it was true like if you can
imagine in the plan you know the office
back area was kind of pulled down to
give it a break you know to give it that
separation uh but again the client
wanted to push it up and just keep that
wall oh no i'm not arguing the wall
location but why not a window in the
bathroom and why not a window in the
office facing north right
because that would break up your facade
even in the garage yeah even in the
garage yeah
if a window really helps the solution
which i agree i think in the garage
that would help it immensely yeah yes
okay wise i don't think you need to stop
the door do you want to be sworn in and
he's got oh yeah he's
here
please state your name judson
please raise your hand disaster from the
testimony you're about to give us the
evening is the truth yes
um
it's worth knowing there's a five foot
wooden fence right next to that
and um it is like i think it's where i
mentioned that the design of this
actually shortens
that wall i mean if it matters for what
it's worth i think it's a great idea to
have a window there i think i mean it's
fine the window would be looking at a
five foot fence that's about three feet
away um but
yeah i just
felt like it was worth noting that it's
not like they're looking directly at
that
you you will not regret putting a window
in even a north side facing events i've
worked on projects in eastmore and
bexley where their added little bathroom
is facing a fence and just the light and
the green that you can see is
it's really regenerative oh yeah and i
mean spending a lot of time in that
office you know working there full-time
at home for the last year
um yeah i would love to have more with
us there i just didn't feel like it was
in my uh
personal construction skills to cut one
out
but you so your fancy windows yeah yeah
well we always talk about what happens
who fence is it is it your fence or your
neighbor's fence uh we put it up with
the previous neighbors
you share it
yeah
so it could go away i know you could
always go down
you know a nice solid blank wall in the
office which is that ended up being that
north wall of the office
you know just to keep it more flexible
uh right plus you already have a window
actually you have two windows in it
anyway
so is it the garage is it the bathroom
is it both the bathroom in the garage
i would think we had the shower
the garage i would argue that you could
leave
one two windows there i think you'd be
yeah i don't have a window in my garage
and i hate it
right
i don't have one in my garage and i
hate that i don't have one in my garage
yeah i think the office is fine you need
some solid wall space for
whatever
the big screen tv because you're really
watching tv out there to stay away from
your kids
so
office
office that's right but uh some
additional one i think you could work
with uh staff on that decide what works
because there's not one perfect solution
and i think it's appropriate to have you
know
two one or two and one maybe but two
but i don't you're not looking at five i
mean you don't need to yeah no i would i
would break up the facade of this i
would definitely look at putting one in
the garage and maybe a turn like i don't
i don't want to have a maintenance issue
with the shower and tub there with the
transom window yeah
the
issue of the ridge i mean
my garage is um eve height
is like seven and a half feet now i
unders it's it's all open you know
framing inside and i put storage up
there
and i don't have a 912 i have like a
712 or an 812 yeah so it does reduce it
quite a bit
but if you pulled the eave height down
wouldn't that get you out of you keep
underneath the 18 like it's 810 now to
your eave why not make it eight what am
i what is it i'm sorry
honestly go to the elevation i thought
it was 18 feet 6 inches
so i need to come down
why don't you just pull this down yeah
why don't you just why don't you just
pull the eve down what you need
keep the same pitch yeah no that's
that's great
because there's lots of garages that
have eaves that aren't even close to
this high they're like at eight or seven
something that'll help the scale of the
building it's it's yeah it feels a
little too tall
just
yeah
lower the cap and you can get
it's good if you
incorporate all these suggestions for oh
i will do it for monday
well it's not for two weeks but you get
it for monday that's fine
this is great we have time to look at it
yeah
yeah i'll jump right
on i have a question you're um you're
putting vinyl siding on it does the
house does the house have vinyl siding
on it
it does
so are you matching that as close as it
can be is that
with the scale and all that
yeah it would be you know the four inch
exposure
which scale
yeah that's it that's a that's a
requirement that the signing match the
scales of the signing match
let's scroll down
the existing garages yeah the existing
garage has two different
the the
existing cardboard so that that's the
site that i put on and that matches the
house and
in that gabe land wall was existing
right right that was our yeah
that's coming down yeah
okay so you are matching the house and
as close as you can to color and
uh
proportions right absolutely
all right um i don't have anything else
this is a recommendation to be zapped is
that right right
public
yeah is there anyone in the
audience that once i know
decision of the board for application
number bzap 22-32 for property located
at 199 north cassingham
the architectural review board finds
that the proposed garage is
architecturally compatible with the
existing principal structure and further
moves to recommend the board zoning
planning for a certificate of
appropriateness with the condition that
a window be added to the north elevation
and the height
and the e price
ridge yeah you'll do that for the
drawings for bsap you'll have to for
reason yeah yeah but that's not your
condition for you guys okay
i mean you can put it in or not
yeah i mean you could you're
you've got a variance request in
currently but if you modify it to make
that go away we can just report that and
just report that yeah i didn't i didn't
intentionally apply for a variance for
the height
no problem
we're also we're this is also an
aesthetic thing you know the the gable
yeah ends are too tall and so just put
it in so so that the
we're saying the eaves are lowered to
lessen the height
the eaves the pitch stays the same but
the eaves lower so that the ridge comes
down it leaves eaves be lowered it's an
aesthetic thing but it's also it gets
them out of the variance
to reduce the height
11 inches
that's all i have do you understand the
findings of fact as she read them i do
okay
all right airport so moved
second
miss strasser yes
mr scott yes mr heyer yes
madame tony yes
thank you thank you
it's full disclosure this was my
accident here
it was my cup that somehow
okay
the next application number arv 22-40
the address is 386 north view the
applicant is peter cranach the owner is
kristen sherdoff
the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a new
addition to the rear
uh for a pantry mud room the new edition
in front of the covered front porch
miscellaneous site renovations
okay
for the record peter had asked to be put
at the end of the agenda i did
then wanted back on i know nate you're
different
um
so i couldn't really change it at that
point so i apologize but i'm glad you're
here um i this project i mean there's
consensus
through my feedback with the board in my
own opinion that the back addition to
this that you put on is that you've
designed is i don't you know it's great
um the issue and peter and i have talked
about it already and as a result there
is an updated drawing that um hopefully
is on here
is that it yeah that's it
um
that there was just an awkwardness
and i do believe that peter agreed with
me that the columns were just
too too something was wrong about the
proportions
having said saying that understanding
the difficulty of dealing with this
existing window and the the pilasters
that are already
the columns that are already on the
house
um uh so peter worked through a
different solution
um as a starting point for our
discussion because
that also seemed to be the concern that
i heard feedback from the board in my
you know original
um
uh email out to to all the board members
with the with the agenda um let's go
ahead and square peter in and you can
talk your name peter cranach do you
suddenly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth i do thank you
so the question was the uh slenderness
of the columns on the projected porch
it's not a very big porch
and what we were using to determine the
width of those columns
was the existing pi lasters
on the portion of the house just to the
left of that this house has had a lot of
different
additions and surgery done to it
um
the photograph that you have in there
looks like this
and
if you zoom in yeah that front on the
right there
uh we're following the roof line
on the left side of the semicircular
transom
and then creating that symmetrical
front porch over the existing doorway
using the
width of the pie lasters that are
currently on the house
to be the
with the freestanding columns that
support the porch
what we did
recently after karen and i spoke was we
created a taller base for those columns
so that
the
from the base up to the trim and up to
the capital
is in more in proportion with how the
pi lasters are
designed
did you want to talk about anything else
in general or just
if you like it all
i'll answer questions thank you just
is there someone that would like to go
first
i i have a question peter
um because you're the existing pilesters
have you know an architrave
or
you know that runs across here
and
there's a lot of examples in bexley of
a front porch that has columns and it
just has the architrave like coming out
from the wall
and sitting on those two columns
and then you build up your you know your
eve from there
could you could you do something like
that so that the
the pilosters or the peers would still
be like this
because you could
what i'm seeing in the drawing it looks
like
you're a little bit higher
um above that roof line i know you're
you've got a triangle that you're trying
to come together on but
instead of having the pilosters or the
peers just go up and
support the soffit
why not utilize
you know like uh
an architrave or a tablature area as
well
one of the reasons for that if you look
at the north elevation i guess um
we're keeping the porch eaves above the
roof of that
portion of the house that extends out to
the north or to the left
it would be on 82.01
uh yeah if you're on the right side of
the strong you can kind of see the
relationship
of where that
roof
of the little office area is on the
house
and we're trying to keep the front porch
above that
understood but
you could bring the beam
out
from the wall of the house to the
pier or the column
and you wouldn't be changing that
you'd just be instead of the pilot
instead of the pier going way up to
support the soffit of your porch
to
you know have the
entablature come across you know the
existing and then turn to go
east you know and sit on top of your
pier
then you would you could maintain the
same pier height and you would have an
entablature that would somehow you know
you'd have to extend it higher obviously
to meet your new roof
but
then you would have it kind of tie in
aesthetically
i mean i'm just i'm throwing out an idea
here because i'm
i i think that the the columns the way
that they're
shown
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they don't
to me they're not they don't work with
what you have existing i mean the peers
that you have exist on the existing
house are supporting and in tablature
and then this one is just the pier is
just you know attenuated and it supports
a soffit so i was trying to think of a
way to you know incorporate it more into
the existing architecture and i can
visualize what you're describing one of
the challenges is again the drainage and
the
gutter on the new
projected porch and how that has to then
drop into
the roof and the gutter that's coming
across that uh office portion yeah i'm
not i'm not suggesting that that change
at that location that that would stay up
but you'd just be
building
you know this
yeah
this this would would basically come out
and it would be the width of this guy
and come out here and then you just
build up vertically so that this tear
cap is back down here and this neck is
here and this just you know is turning
out to the east
and all this stays
where it is i can see that
i haven't altered it because i i was i
was that's exactly what i was thinking
of on the front elevation
but as you described that as pete
responded i would be interested to see
even if you drop that new columns top of
column to the 109 and an eighth
so you have that new
beam sitting on the the
beam of the
wrap around the pi laster so you could
you could argue that you have this
structural you leave all your roofs the
same yeah all the same but
what i worry there is that the
temperature is going to be too tall yeah
i understand that weird proportion there
but if you think of it as a beam on a
beam
then the column is then supporting a
beam that's then supporting your new
soffit but you could create and you
could create a
a vertical above the column to create
you know the the
even if it's just above the column
you're creating like a little
square and tablet or architrave yes in
order to keep the columns the same i
could i could see how he might want to
make these a little bit taller to your
point because it's the front end right
there's these are stand alone columns
and here we are
stand-alone columns where the other ones
are more piloster-based so this one's a
little bit more prominent because it's
the front door so you could argue i
think and so the the the column is
supporting and in tablature still but
it's just up higher
right but in in visual it's sitting on
top of the highlighter and temperature
one of the reasons why peter were
trying to find these solutions is
because um
our new our new design guidelines you
know one of the things that we're trying
to discourage in bexley is like the box
eve and the
the columns and peers that don't have
you know a clear like structural support
whether it's mid-century modern or
you know colonial whatever it is okay so
it's the be it's that beam support
that's um helpful and also the boxes
like for instance
if this could come down and across
and i know you create a little bird's
mouth that way but that's also in
keeping with the aesthetic of the house
because you have those birds mounts
everywhere so that would be a really
nice
um improvement i think to this you know
to do
something like this here
and open it up
um just because we're trying to we're
trying to avoid boxies anymore in bexley
i think you've had an amazing challenge
yeah but all these different things i
think you've done a really good job i
think these are just
you know minor changes and refinements
to help them but they're important
because it is the
front of the house i agree
i can't it isn't house and oh it's a
huge challenge i can't even imagine
we're going to need to explain that for
record i don't know she doesn't yeah you
guys lost
modification i'm very clear on on what
you're describing and i think that we
could uh create a very quick solution
for it again
yeah peter right away came back with
already the second step
and i don't sense it all that you have a
problem with yeah
so that's modifications to where the
columns meet the modifications to the
um
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to the entry the front entry piers
in tablature
and eve
and is that something that you can work
with
peers tablature and what else
you don't want to see
i feel comfortable with this applicant
that he understands and if
yeah
you know karen does
i understand i totally understand
um
but
we never had so many architects in one
room at a time i know a few minutes ago
it was equal we had five architects and
five non-architects
i'll leave the room and try to make it
there
yeah anytime peter has had a project and
we've had
compromises or different solutions we
have never had a problem
okay
very professional
i do
do you want to read the findings i will
findings effect the decision of the
board for application number
arb-22-40 for a property located at 386
northview the architecture review board
finds that the pantry mudroom edition
and the
at the rear of the house and the covered
front porch are architecturally
compatible with the existing structure
and
recommend
to
for a certificate of appropriateness
with the condition that the
there are modifications to the front
entry piers tablature and ease
to be reviewed by
further subject to
review and approval by the design
consultant
thank you
okay
do you understand those we'll take a
vote i do yes
anyone
i just want to make a note to go look at
it when it's finished i'm excited to see
it
so we better get it right who wants to
make that much
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okay
uh
mr heyer yes
ms strasser yes mr scott yes madam tony
yes
great
thank you very much okay thank you can i
ask peter why you wanted to wait until
the end or uh cause you i saw you
sketching over there or something
landmarks
of course we have conflicting meetings
on thursdays
with this so i was going to try to get
another staff member to come but he's on
vacation this week
so i was trying to do both at the same
time and then
my board meeting got postponed
and when he called me today i was like i
can't switch oh my gosh i've already got
so much sugar i wasn't able to sketch
another i was gonna say you got some
work done there you go thanks for your
patience
thank you
um
okay okay northview is going to become a
very nice street by the way
don't we have two new builds on that
street yeah
crazy
um
okay so that's it for regular agenda
items um under other business and i
believe this is under other business
only because there wasn't notice put out
to the neighbors
um
so under other business application
number m822
151 the address is 250 south parkview
the applicant is nate sampson
the owner is uh
yeah i don't know i don't know the first
thing
ron not related not related really
yeah i found out my wife found that out
i was gonna ask you that question yeah
um so
are they from new york
um
uh not for me to ask
we're gonna connect this wait wait
the applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
proposed new covered entry addition to
the front facade
the new three-quarter light front door
replace side entry door off the driveway
and finish entry with the new trend
surround mirror door style and column
trim style of proposed front entry
detail
okay
may may i
um so let me just
summarize the email that i sent out i
don't really think this project needs we
don't need to spend a lot of time on it
i just want to be clear that the reason
that kathy and i had decided to ask
um you all to give me the authority to
approve it to remand it to me rather
than
just approving it straight out is that
that way we don't have to notice we
don't send a notice out a post it yeah
it's an m.a and if you find it it's
minor enough that you're comfortable
with karen doing a staff review on it
that's why we felt to bring it to the
board
um
so is that all we have to do is just
vote whether we're okay
just
phrase the facts and finding as
to remain the approval of this project
to staff
and i'm going to prove it because it's
beautiful
can i still make a comment of course
i mean that's an entryway yeah that is
phenomenal i only have one little
criticism actually it's a major
criticism but go for it you forgot the
neck molding and the side elevation the
pierced side um
yeah you did
i did thank you
let's see if he forgot who drew this
because whoever had the time to put the
doorbell in the sketchbook yeah who do
you think drew it i love did you draw
this no
oh it's fantastic
jerry's does a great job that is that is
a model tuscan entryway yeah it's
gorgeous oh look
it's different on this one yeah there's
as i was looking i was like i see it so
it's
the noted one has it yeah someone caught
it oh he finished it in this
that's exactly it and i appreciate that
there's notes so yes thank you do those
attenuated dork columns have our tuscan
columns have entities
and yeah well they actually like
they're just straight up and down
up and down okay so
yeah it's this
i keep forgetting the name of that
column
style it's the simplest one
yeah
because normally you would see this one
being straight up and down this one
would have a beautiful boat there's
there's a house on euclid south euclair
that has tall and skinny colonettes like
this and they do have a little bit of
enthusiasm if you could do that that
would be
that's that's a that's treating people
at a different level
but this is this is no i'm just kidding
so this is an example of when the
drawing you know this is going to be
perfect
another work and it's going to be
beautiful when it's built but the
drawing is more attractive than the
final result
yeah
i mean honestly like drawing it like
this it softens it and
it's almost easier to see no it just it
gives that aesthetic and i just i just
think for me looking at this spectacular
you know i know that this is fantastic
working it's spread on from what i know
and i'm not an expert in this
uh specific style but
um
and it's gonna be perfect for the house
but i think just just the quality of the
drawing that's hand drawn
so do we need to hear testimony if we're
just remanding it to karen or
i don't i don't think so i just think
it's nice to have it on the record that
we came across this and we felt that
it's filed this way but do you feel the
same that it's
filed as a minor just has a slight
protrusion that isn't there but this is
there it's just
and i'll take blame for that one because
i read the uh application
uh description wrong on the website
that's on me
okay so do we need a fact or what do we
need to move this along
i can state that the board finds it
appropriate that the front entry
modifications
to be remanded to staff for review and
approval for
250 south parkview under the minor
architecture review application
thank you so much
or we're taking a vote
sure why not just to make it official
let's make it official
why not i will call the roll
mr scott yes mr heyer yes estrazar
madame tony yes thank you okay okay
thanks thanks for see if they can do it
i get what you're saying
all right thank you nice to see you
thank you nice to see you thanks for
your patience
okay
looking forward
now
oh
excellent we're multiple runs
are we done