and then a park
sorry about that
you're good
um and then a parking lane on each side
um and that's all within the existing
footprint of the roadway that you have
right now um and then i will add that we
have some bump outs at intersections
which you'll see more detail in the next
sheets that we show um but this is just
you know looking at it as if you're on
the street with the cars there
um so that's our first option and then
the other option is looking at
adding cyclists into the mix here now
unfortunately just based on the
existing roadway width um
you can't have you know kind of the best
of all of the world's um
just fitting in that area you know we
can't have
the through lanes for our vehicles and
the bicycles and parking on both sides
so this is kind of a compromise
between those ideas having a bike lane
and a through lane in each direction
and then parking would just be on the
one side of the road
and so then going back
the to view here um same idea just you
know a different view of it looking at
um just
this typical section
around the bryden road area
where we have parking on the one side
and the other side and these are the
bump outs that i was suggesting there
um and that's basically at
pretty much all of the intersections and
you can see that that adds a little bit
more
depth there for our pedestrians crossing
that way you can get out in front of the
vehicles that are parked
and you have a nice little median there
for refuge before you make your way to
the other side
and you'll see the medians
this is what i meant earlier when i said
that the medians you can't go the whole
width of the road
the whole length i guess
just because then we would be blocking
driveways you'd be blocking you know
some of these side streets
um so we really just have the medians
and areas where we think it's possible
to have them where they won't be
blocking any movements
um so this is our first option here
parking on both sides
through lanes on both sides
within the existing roadway so then our
other option that i mentioned
has bike lanes so
we have our bike lane on this side with
the through lane
and then same thing in the opposite
direction your through lane your bike
lane and then the parking
is on the west side so i guess i forgot
to mention that in the beginning if you
didn't catch that
uh north is to the right in these
pictures
so the parking would be just on the west
side and
same thing as before you have the bump
outs on that side where we have parking
but you know it's not as big of a deal
because you won't have the the on street
parking that's you know blocking the
visibility of those pedestrians since
it's just going to be a bike lane on
this side
so i'll pass it back to you ben if you
wanted to add any more to that
um i think
one one just having um heard
some kind of preliminary feedback on
this a couple things to draw first off
you guys drew it so that there was
if it were a cycle lane that there would
be parking on one side on the west side
in this instance that could be parking
on the east side it's it's
interchangeable based upon what would
work best um
we're not expecting the idea of losing
parking on one side of the street to be
popular with people who live on the
street so we really want to hear your
feedback um and the other is you guys
also drew up a cycle track option which
was one that showed um a really similar
concept but that's just that the the
bike lanes would be going both ways
together on one side of the street so it
would kind of sequester the bike lanes
together they're all interchangeable
concepts the big
shift is a the idea of bump outs in the
first place
um the idea of those you know protect
those those more protected crosswalks
and whether or not introducing um
a cycling component to this uh would be
important and i do want to say i didn't
really set the stage properly that there
there was a bike plan that was created
um last year and adopted by city council
called bicycle friendly bexley it did
suggest that we should be examining the
idea of bike lanes on drexel drexel
being specifically
a connector street between maine and
broad street that gets used a lot by
cyclists and um would provide a really
excellent interface to the community
both to main street and the north to the
park systems and other places in north
bexley so there's some logic to that um
and there's some there's there's a uh
you know there's a plan but potentially
behind it but again feedback is really
important so i don't want to
add a whole lot more and unless andy or
dave you have something to add
i don't have anything to admit
all right so i think maybe what i'd love
to do is just add everybody here to as a
panelist it's going to take me a little
bit of time here to do it
so
bear with me but what that means from
your perspective is you guys will show
up in the video view and the audio
you'll have full access to that the
thing i would ask is that people use um
that people take uh turns talking
i'm trying to see if there's a raised
hand feature
uh for panelists
um
maybe we should just use ray's hand on
attendees i'm sorry guys we didn't
we normally do uh meetings like this not
as a webinar so if
maybe if people have feedback go ahead
and use the raise hand feature you
should see your raised hand button and
then i'll move you over as a panelist
how about that it's probably the best
way to do it
so any questions comments thoughts
all right suzanne whistler you're up
first and i'm going to move you over
and you guys we'll just move people over
as the as the hands are raised okay
so suzanne you should be able to talk
all right can you hear me
there we go all right um thanks for
doing this those are these are great
designs
the one question i have from for both of
those is which one is
best for slowing down traffic on the
street i think that's a big issue for
the residents on our street is is people
who zoom down the road
me included sometimes but we'd like to
be able to slow it down to at least you
know the speed limit if not a little bit
lower and so i'm wondering what what
which of those options would be best for
that
yeah so i would say that both options
will calm traffic compared to the
existing conditions right they're both
going to be an improvement compared to
what you have now
um but if you're comparing the two
options to each other
um i would say the first option with the
parking on both sides and the bump outs
on both sides and the median in areas
where we can have it
that will probably give us the most
traffic calming
and you know that that is with the
caveat that
you don't have enough space for
dedicated bike lanes on that option you
know so that's why it's kind of a
trade-off there um
i do think that the bike lane option
will still have traffic calming because
you still have
that
the bump outs on the one side where you
have the on street parking um but you
don't have that benefit of having space
for a median in areas um all of that
width goes to the bike lanes um but you
know like i said i think we'll still get
traffic calming in both options okay
okay
and then in the part of town on drexel
where i live it's it's closer to broad
street we get a lot of um csg parking on
both sides of that street and seems like
that'll
those it'll push the parking much
further south if with both of these
options
so it pretty much goes down to elm
right and that was honestly the reason
you know when we were deciding with that
option do you want parking on the west
side or parking on the east side that
was why we chose parking on the west
side
was because of csg up there on the north
end of the site
and yeah i do agree i think it will
it'll change things a little bit there
as far as parking since you're losing
parking on the one side
but overall i think they should have
enough space to have you know the
operations that they need there yeah you
want to add to that then
um i just would add that so i was um
speaking briefly to our tree commission
before this meeting and um they took a
look at it and
an excellent point was raised which is
csg and i know csg is on the call so i'm
sure we'll hear from a second but they
um
they have bus parking dedicated on the
um on the west side which is one of the
reasons we we thought that it would make
sense to have that be the parking side
but the point was that's not often used
and when it's not bus parking it's no
parking and so the question was could
because there's not parking there
typically could that be the bike lane
side and then from time to time you know
it would just be a situation of buses
would be able to pipe part park sorry in
that in that area so that's
that's a question to consider and i just
wanted to raise that um i do i also want
to apologize i realize my name is city
of bexley i for those of you who don't
know me i'm ben kessler i'm the mayor
and uh i know a lot of these names here
but i didn't want to assume so i
apologize suzanne thank you so much if
it's okay with you i'll just keep you on
and then like i think that will work
there's no hand raised features a
panelist i'll just you don't have to
keep your video on but you'll have the
ability to kind of pop in and maybe
we'll do visual hand raises or something
we'll make this work
seth i'm moving you over
this is the awkward pause as people get
added as panelists
you there there we go there we go sorry
i didn't know it was muted
well this is great i'm really excited
because years ago i think i um mentioned
doing something like this the late mayor
brennan
and he told me to circulate a petition
to start there and i just wasn't so
motivated but i've always i've always
wanted this to happen so i was really
excited to hear about this
i live across the street from suzanne on
drexel closer to csg
and
just wanted to give some of my
impressions i like the idea of a bike
lane but i'd say my impression of the
two options is that having a median
would add a lot more beauty to the
street
i think and i agree with what you
already said is that it would seem to
naturally slow down the traffic just by
having that present plus you'd have both
the bump outs
um i would just add one comment being a
resident here and also having grown up
on bexley park
um i'm not so concerned about not being
able to turn left if there's a median in
front of my driveway i never could when
i grew up so like having medians and
being so concerned that every driveway
can access left turns that doesn't seem
like a big concern to me i think it's a
small price to pay for
something like this that i think would
add so much to the street
um
and i think the the option of having
bike lanes without medians in my opinion
just looking at the image i still felt
like it had this appearance of an
interstate and maybe i'm wrong just
seeing it in person with those bump outs
it wouldn't but i didn't think that made
it look more residential
if you don't add the medians so that was
my impression and then i just had a
question is it not enough space to do
a bike lane on one side still have a
median because it looked like you only
did bump outs on one side
where you had the median so wouldn't the
bike lane just take the place of where
the parking and bump outs were on the
one side
do you guys want to answer that gina or
i know we've we've done this geometry so
many times that i think anyone on our
team could kind of
answer that yeah and i can
i can share screens again to bring it up
while you're doing that seth the one one
thing to know and we we looked at this
uh
every way that you could think of to
look at it the medians that are being
discussed here are five foot width so
they're not what you would think of on
um bexley park or brighton or fair those
are much wider medians and and the
reason that that is is is with parking
on the side of the street so that's in
this it's that kind of bright green
color in the middle and in this instance
and i've tried it on my car uh the
u-turn action that you can do and on
those wider streets the brightons and
the bexley parks doesn't work with these
medians so it's not the same condition
where like you overshoot your driveway
and you do a quick u-turn it's no big
deal that's what we thought going into
it and our uh and our engineers quickly
disavowed us of that um turns out
i can do it in my tiny little chevy bolt
uh you know with no one else parked
around but any sort of
larger car can't do that turning motion
so it doesn't allow for it anyway so
sorry gina
yeah
yes you were asking so like looking in
this view
the bike like maintaining the median as
well as adding the bike lanes in each
direction
adding maybe one bike lane at the bottom
possibly or top
because because the the image you had
with the bike lanes you actually only
had bump outs on one side
yeah so you have the median in places
but there's a bike lane on one side as
well is that what you're saying
yeah so if you had one bike lane but
still had medians is that is that not
desirable
oh so a bike lane in one direction or
i don't know maybe it's not wide enough
to be two directions but
yeah and that was that was an option
that we debated um previously and and
that's something to do with um
it's a bit of i won't defer to odot but
it is in their guidance and you know
just general traffic engineering
guidance is that
um you don't want to provide a bike lane
in just one direction
because then it invites people to
ride in the wrong way
on that bike lane and then you can have
some serious issues there with cyclists
and that bike lane um so so really the
the should statement and what we call it
is that you should have bike lanes in
both directions if you have it
um so that was kind of what pushes us
you know that that next step is okay we
have to have bike lanes in both
directions um so and each bike lane has
to be five feet wide
and we have what you can see and here
it's we have 6.3 feet and that's so that
we can have this little bit of buffer
between um that that vehicle and the
bicycle i know as a cyclist that always
makes me feel a little bit safer when
i'm riding
um
so yeah i think does that answer your
question
yeah
so you could have a bike lane you could
just have it going only one direction
yeah yeah and and
general traffic engineering guidance is
that
you don't want to have that option of
just a biplane in one direction you want
to provide
it in both directions
thanks so much seth um robert farin is
on as a panelist
i should just say
is on
what's up
thanks everybody for the time uh robert
farron i live on north merkel
uh drive up and down drexel often uh
also also bike
um and participated in the bexley bike
plan with uh several residents and
stakeholders to that process over covid
and as the mayor indicated you know this
is
one i'm really excited to see the option
of bike lanes because it does support a
lot of the recommendations
in that plan to provide north-south
connectivity
um you know direct access to the
business district also direct access
from from north to south
um
a couple questions and kind of comments
for carpenter marty you mentioned the
idea of a cycle track
is there a way to show that image here
because you mentioned it but i know i
didn't see that
um
i'll stop there for a second
yeah
we can bring that up if you want
yeah because i know i i agree um i think
suzanne apologized if i didn't say your
name correctly um
i agree the number one goal is about
slowing traffic down i'm also very
guilty in my little nissan leaf of going
as fast as i can up and down the street
because it allows for it right there's
not a lot of cars parked on the street
it's pretty wide
um and it's
really unique in a north-south street
you really can't do that on either
north-south street in bexley
um
and so
i i feel like with a cycle track
um you could still achieve slowing
traffic down
and still provide
really i think a really amazing cycling
experience for families and and folks
that want to go up and down drexel from
north to south
um
you would lose parking on one side and i
don't live on drexel so i'm not going to
speak for residents but i know driving
up and down it's not very well parked
which again leads to speed speeds
increasing so
i love if you could show that because i
think it'd be a cool visual to kind of
have other folks on the line see what
that looks like
um
yeah so this is that idea so it's you
know kind of like the bike lane option
that we brought up except you know
instead of being on either side of the
road you have them both lanes are
squished on the one side of the road so
basically just
you know for all intents and purposes
just taking that parking lane on the
east side and replacing it with a cycle
track
um so you know it it has the benefits
that you mentioned um you know the
the negative side of it is you know kind
of the same with the other biplane
option is that we can't have those bump
outs on the east side now because you
have a bike lane there
um
and you know it it does in some areas
you know it is kind of just still that
that sea of pavement if you will you
know
add another thing so when we looked at
this option too um just given the the
existing width of the pavement we
noticed um the bike lanes the actual
width of the lanes themselves were
getting fairly narrow yeah
so we're still able to maintain i think
we've got so it's two four and a half so
it's it's a little wider than four feet
um in both directions but that was
another thing we noticed just trying to
maintain our lane widths maintain the
parking with um the bike lanes we're
getting a little tight so still above
the four feet
um in each direction but the the width
of the pavement was limiting for how
wide we could actually make the cycle
track itself
yeah
two things i want to pull out about this
concept if you could zoom in on the
crosswalk section uh between brian and
short bride and lombard and i guess
so there are some other possibilities
back to seth's kind of question
that marking that shows up as a marking
right now the three and a half foot
marking if you could hover over top of
that gina near the crosswalk
that could and tell me if i'm speaking
out of turn engineering team
that could be
constructed as curb in certain areas
which would with six inch curb on both
sides gives you a two foot
center which could be used with i mean
it could be andy's going to kill me for
saying this but it could be ground cover
yeah he is
it could be something that does soften
the interface so it achieves
some narrowing beyond
just the pavement markings um that's a
potential option it's something that we
could explore the other thing is that
any of these options bump outs all bump
outs or bike lanes on one side or both
do solve another problem that was
brought up and i forgot to address this
which is residents talked a lot about
backing out of driveways and the safety
experience of backing out of driveways
and site triangles from driveways and
from intersections
both of these ideas
give you as a driver when you're on
these t intersections approaching drexel
a much clearer line of sight to traffic
coming in either direction and as a
driver on a driveway in many situations
you'll have better line of sight coming
out of the driveway plus the enhancement
of having
most likely
uh slower traffic so just wanted to draw
that out
so that's great
yeah no that's fine no thank you i think
again you know um
i would say if there was parking on both
sides and it was all parked up
um you know i think talking about bike
lanes probably would be a non-starter
but i think between it not being
parked very well except around csg
um the goal of slowing down traffic i
think a really great opportunity for our
community to provide a really superior
cycling experience and not just for
people who are doing like the long rides
i'm thinking about my twin
nine-year-olds that i wouldn't
necessarily take down drexel but if
there was a cycle track if it was
vertically if it was vertically
protected either with bollards or some
kind of curve as you mentioned mayor
um that would be something that that we
use and we used to connect from north to
south i think it'd be good for
businesses
um and it would still achieve slowing
down traffic and i think that's really
the goal um
uh for pedestrians for vehicles for
cyclists so i think from a besley bike
plan perspective it's great i think from
a beautification standpoint providing
that space for cyclists is great
and it still achieves uh still achieves
uh
going from an interstate kind of a
subset to something much more calmer and
narrower so
appreciate the opportunity to comment
thanks robert um
one real quickly before i bring someone
else in here as a on the panel side um
question
in the q a
basically asking for clarification on
can you still park on the street where
those bike lanes are and i and uh i
think the answer that is if the with
those with the track both ways there
would not be parking on that side of the
street
right
correct yeah yeah you cannot park on the
area where the bike lanes are
okay and then um
hi can you hear me yes we can hear you
hi it says evan but my name's actually
dana
i thought maybe that's good yeah
so i just wanted to um give some
comments i live on south drexel between
bryden and sherwood so my house is one
of those houses that's in your photo
and with all due respect to the previous
speaker i very much
am in favor of more of the boulevard
plan the first one that was shown
because we cannot afford to give up the
parking on our side of the street near
us um those houses honey we're on a zoo
um the houses all around they're all our
neighbors
we don't have
driveways
um in the fronts of our homes we just
have these little tiny driveways in the
back and so
we actually use our street parking every
single day
we have elderly relatives coming over
frequently
babysitters um you can imagine the
landscape trucks parking there very
frequently
um and to lose that parking would be
a big issue for us
um and even to just move the parking to
the other side of the street and have it
on one
really isn't helping either because then
you have people dodging across drexel to
try to get to the house that they need
to get to
and the folks that live across the
street from us they also all use the
street for parking and so it would just
clog up the one side of the street um
and
similar to what one of the previous
speakers okay sorry
sorry
uh similar to what one of the previous
speakers said um the boulevard option is
gonna be much more attractive it's gonna
really add some beauty to the street i'm
thinking similar to what's on broad
street i think that looks really nice
and it's gonna do a much better job of
slowing the traffic down and just
personally i'm not a fan of bike lanes
um i just i think they're unattractive
um and personally like i have little
kids if you can see the running around
um
i i wouldn't want them really riding
their bikes on drexel i you know i think
the much better option is to go up
dawson or go even columbia or parkview
that are or less traveled i think it's
safer
and just for all those reasons i really
feel strongly that the first option is a
lot better for the neighborhood
thank you so much
um
there was another question on the q a
about uh can you still park
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sorry to actually show the exhibit again
confused as to where the parking
wouldn't be allowed basically
it could be either um either side it
would depend on which side the bike lane
was on but the side of the bike lane
concept there was on would not have
parking because the curb gina you could
kind of show the curb on the on the east
side there in this particular exhibit
is is uh where the existing curb is
today and instead of parking it would be
a bike lane essentially and that could
that would be interchangeable if that
bike lane concept was either on the east
side of the street or the west side
yeah
it goes for this bike lane option as
well the parking on the east side
would go away
you don't have parking on the west side
over here
all right lauren um in a second here you
should
be on
thank you guys for dealing with this
this tech i thought we would we would be
done with remote by now but here we are
my turn yep
hi hi everybody um i'll be quick because
most of what i have to say sort of
mirrors what other people have said i'm
uh i live on drexel between powell and
elm um i'm sort of at the bottom end of
the csg parking um and so i also lean
heavily in favor of not doing the bike
lane and doing
the extra parking um
i don't think that it's reasonable to
say that you can get all that csg
parking on one side i think you're going
to end up having the same issue which is
that the students are going to park just
further down the line all the way down
to elm possibly down to dale um and so
you're going to um just kind of extend
that parking down in that direction um
you're not necessarily going to
um
you know it's there's it's gonna be a
lot of redirection um if you are not
traveling drexel during the hours that
csg is parking it's a very heavily
parked area um i would go so far as to
say if if everyone insists on a bike
lane it would really need to stop at
album um i would not have it go all the
way abroad um the one other thing i'd
like to add is i actually grew up in a
town that had a bike that has a bike
lane on it sort of main main drag if you
will and there were a lot of accidents
growing up um cars trying to turn right
and left where the bike line lanes were
um
bikes were often going in the wrong
direction on the bike
they don't stick to the traffic patterns
um bikers have tended in those instances
and obviously maybe our back sleeve
bikers are different but growing up
bikers got very brave
and would zoom through intersections
when they thought they had the
right-of-way
um not stopping and looking both ways as
they sort of passed um a road that was
coming in to the main road and that's
again where a lot of those accidents
would happen
numerous unfortunately numerous
instances of bikers being hit by cars
growing up numerous numerous um
and so i don't know that drexel is the
right place for a bike lane to be honest
especially if we're not going to slow
down traffic with the medians
and then you're going to also have
people coming in from their driveways
and from these sort of cross streets so
i just want to put that on your radar i
don't know if any study has been done
about the safety of bike lanes in these
situations but growing up my anecdotal
experience was it was not safe and my
parents wouldn't let us use it um
so that's sort of where i stand on on
all of that um
and
i wanted to ask whether or not we've
considered stop signs or stoplights
throughout jackson
so that was something from the beginning
um we did collect count data through the
through the corridor
um and we did so we have traffic signal
warrants
and so it's basically it's it's based on
the volume of vehicles that are making
movements at the intersections um and
and based on the volume of vehicles that
you have now out there um you do not
meet signal warrants on drexel um at
least you know obviously have signals
abroad in maine but you know between
those um we don't meet signal warrants
in between there and in traffic
engineering our general best practice is
to not install stop signs as a means of
slowing vehicles down because
studies show that
what vehicles do is you know you stop at
that stop sign but then you speed up
right after it so you know it might be
slowing you down right at that physical
stop sign um but then you're kind of
making up for lost time after that
um so that's that's what traffic
engineering points us towards um so
that's why we don't suggest things like
um a stop sign or
a signal for traffic calming we like
things that are a bit more physical like
medians and bump outs um
so that's that's why we have what we've
recommended here
great i'm just very grateful you know
just before i sign up just very grateful
you guys are looking at this it's been a
long time coming and long overdue and
very excited about the prospect so thank
you guys so much for all your work
thanks lauren thank you
um a quick answer to a question um on
the q a which was uh the the the bump
outs what would they be made out of on
the exhibit they show up as gray that's
simply to call out the difference
um
we're not envisioning uh concrete or
asphalt bump outs we're envisioning
grass
uh maybe down the road uh the tree lawn
could could as you know trees get
replaced there might be an ability to
have the trees placed a little more
central between those bump out curbs and
the sidewalk
but that would that would be a down the
road thing because the trees that are in
the on drexel in general are are
a little younger and hopefully in okay
shape for the most part
um but it would be long story short it
would be landscaped green bump out
interface
if if anyone wanted to kind of see
this is not analogous by the way but
kind of see like what this looks like
and if you look if you go to the short
north and you see what happened to those
outside travel lanes no not analogous
because that was you know four-lane road
essentially becoming a two-lane or you
know five lane becoming a three-lane but
um at least you can get a good feel of
what that sheltered parking feels like
and um
again not analogous because this would
be green this would be this is a
residential street uh and an infant in
fact that bump out is designed to
enhance the residentiality of the street
um
and lisa i am moving you over sorry
about that i should have done that ahead
of time it takes a little pause
anything to add to any of that
all right
lisa you should be able to speak
can you hear me now
yeah okay
sorry i uh
you answered my question one of my
questions had to do with the bump outs
in terms of what it looked like i wanted
to see an image of it i was worried it
was concrete which is not very appealing
we're a newly resident of the street we
moved here in july
so we are
um learning the traffic issues around
here that we were not necessarily aware
of even though we lived in bexley or
have lived in bexley for
60 some years but um
i was wondering too
have you thought about and i know that
they're not necessarily a way to
reduce speed but you know like on
cassidy where they show
you're driving down there and you can
see what your speed is
um you know a few here and there to say
okay i'm aware i'm going over the speed
limit i'll slow down a little bit if
it's like in your face and you see it
the other thing i wondered about is are
there examples outside of the short
north
that
have been successful in other
neighborhoods where we can see you know
the results of this kind of a change
that made a difference rather than just
you know assuming it will is there
something we can actually refer to that
this is the way it was before this is
how it is now and it's really made a
huge difference with the changes that
were made
i think we can definitely
look at options in other areas i know
that we've definitely recommended it in
a lot of places it's following through
with some of those cities and villages
to see if they have i know off the top
of my head that springfield
has some um but i can i can get with
ben and send him maybe some links
to some examples that can be shared out
that'd be great
um and to i think upper arlington has
done
i'm not sure if it's double-sided bump
outs but they've done bump outs
to to try to create some of these
effects not to not that i'm aware of as
ambitiously as what we're but we're
talking about it
um
and actually what i'd like to do is if
um
i'm gonna create a quick
trying to think how to do this
uh
if you could actually okay i'll do this
we're gonna put andy bayshore's
email address in the chat
um
and if you could send him your email
address we just have it would be great
to have an email list for those who are
on this call
you can do that or you can
add your email address to the chat i
think right now it might be somewhat
restricted but
andy uh we'll we'll put your email
address in there as well um just so that
anyone who wants to add theirs that way
it would just be helpful to be able to
um
keep track of you know what's going on
give you guys an update also if you're
registered for the blast and you've put
your address as drexel you will be able
to send out special blasts
julie i'm moving you over
okay
um good evening everybody i'm julia
eichenberry i'm the chief financial
officer at columbus school for girls and
um i think most of you who don't know us
probably know that at the school we try
to make sure that we are very good um
residents so we comment that i think
robert made
is could us in the city work together
absolutely if that is is where we need
to go
um what i am concerned about is
of course is losing the parking
and
i i'm just guessing because i don't go
out there and count the cars but i bet
you on a given day looking at what's
both sides of the street on drexel the
parking we could have up to maybe 25
cars and maybe that maybe i'm
too low on that one
um
so what what we're going to do
sorry um
john hold on one second what we'll end
up doing is we will end up moving those
cars to the side streets which i think
is going to move it really to dawson
because the parking in on parkview
already is two hour parking
and
um so is columbia so that's my concern
is that we're just going to move
students faculty and staff into dawson
um
and and
i'm concerned about that the other thing
that i wondered and this is a question
is
um for that bike lane
if you do two bike lanes and you do the
one where it's parking and then the bike
lane like how safe is it for the bikers
to be driving down and i mean
having car doors opening i mean i'm sure
people are paying attention but to me
that just
that seemed kind of scary
that is a that's a legitimate concern
yeah and yeah in traffic engineering in
the bicycle community
um that is
what do we call that door swinging
crashes horizon
oh yeah sorry door zone yeah um
that is a concern and i think you know
if if we like i was saying um how you
know some of these options it's a
compromise between parking and biking
and you know your travel lanes um i
would say that the the bike lane option
in and of itself is a bit of a
compromise as well because
we're working within that existing
typical section you know our existing
roadway width that we have right now
in an ideal world you know you would
have a nice bike lane with buffer on
each side
so that way you you don't have concerns
about the door
opening up on on that parking lane um
but we are we're restricted by the
the existing roadway with um because you
know we don't want to go wider than what
we have now um so that is the compromise
and and that concern that you bring up
is legitimate yeah
thank you
thank you julie anything else
no unless anybody has any questions for
me that i can answer
i was about to come up with a bad joke
so i won't do that but it's good to see
you thank you
send that to jennifer
also john um aaron caldwell you're being
moved over
and um
while you're being moved over uh kenny
brown joined a little bit late he was
wondering he hadn't seen the designs he
was wondering if he could quickly flash
him up on the screen so
maybe as aaron is speaking you guys
could just show like the median or the
bump out double bump out option and a
bike lane option
kenny i will disappoint you in advance
and let you know that uh
we don't have those shown in the
business district
um this is just kind of a cross section
near short and long bride and the reason
for that is there's a lot pending
another you know what would happen in
the business district do we kind of
reroute bikes down the sherwood and
bride and bike boulevard at that point
but
so this is just an illustration north of
business district
uh so sorry for talking too much but it
happens uh aaron
you should be able to my first question
is if you could just zoom out a little
bit um i haven't seen this image like at
full thank you i'm just trying to get a
feel for where the other cross streets
are
um
i and i apologize because i was a little
tardy to the meeting has anyone asked um
if this will affect like the marathon or
um
given that it goes down drexel or any of
our like snow removal leaf removal
things of that nature especially if
there's a bump out
so we have not specifically asked the
marathon andy bay shore is our service
director and he's here on the call we've
had lots of conversations about snow
removal
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and
leaf removal andy i don't think we've
talked specifically about leaf removal
but we have talked about snow removal
and plowing that's often a a concern in
terms of the the bump outs themselves uh
the width of the street
uh is not unlike other streets of the
marathon's coming through with that with
that throttle bump out however the
median would present a different
condition and um and there would be
meetings from time to time and that's a
really great point you raise we can
reach out to the organizers of the
marathon and just see if they have any
feedback on that if they have analogous
situations or having thoughts
and then um
in these two images do they go past
brighton like is there is there
something farther north that i'm just
not seeing or this is the only place
that you're making a change
great question so carpenter marty has
designed this particular scenario
in rough concept all the way along the
street
because we've tried to really understand
the feasibility of it with where
driveways are and making sure that if
bump outs occurred that there would be
every lot would still have some access
to on-street parking
so there is a bigger wider view of this
i don't know if if you have a specific
area you want to take a look at gina are
you able to open that scroll plot
yes
okay
so my my house is in in that image
you've shown but i i cannot tell um like
what's happening in front of it and
we're relatively new um to this area we
just moved here in march um i would say
to echo um lauren rubin's point around
the driveways i guess my concern is
backing out of the driveway on drexel is
already kind of hard enough without
having to watch for bikers um so that
would be my biggest question on what
does that look like uh farther north on
drexel
so i don't know that we have a scroll
plot of the cycle lane concept i think
that was done as a scenario we have a
scroll plot of the double bump outs
along the whole street is that right
guys yeah that's correct yeah
and it is
massive
yeah
my computer half the time
yeah in in an ideal world when we were
you know just
talking about the idea of this public
meeting we plan to have a nice big
scroll plot you know a physical
um drawing of this out for everybody to
see and point to um but
it does not show up as well on zoom as
you can see and
so you can zoom in
yeah
so like we could zoom into maybe the you
know the powell or the fair
intersections or
and actually as we look at this there's
one i want to highlight one other thing
that we responded to from our may
workshop
um julie did apply csg which is that
left turn
motion out of the circle uh has
shows up as a as a solution in here a
little bit
so aaron would like to see
yeah if you could um we live between
bryden and bexley park so that would be
helpful
um
and welcome by the way welcome to bexley
um appreciate it and the crosswalks are
those will those have the flashing
lights similar to the one that's farther
down
so the way that this is currently
conceived the flashing light beacons are
designed to be crosswalks which are the
which are direct routes to the school
um
we use them
we use them sparingly not not because
we're trying to be cheap about it but
because we really want drivers to see
them and pay attention to them so there
they flank the north and south
approaches to the cassingham complex
today
this plan does call for preserving those
obviously and those are newer on drexel
but also adding one at powell for the
crossing for csg because that's a
crossing that especially when buses are
there
um even though there's optional officer
there
um can um can be problematic
thank you this was helpful i appreciate
it
thank you
and then um i think we're gonna get up
to that circle that we were talking
about and julie i don't know if you
recall that but that was at the workshop
a discussion about
um you have a prohibition against
left-hand turns out of that
drive this would put a physical barrier
to make it so that that left-hand turn
would be
um not possible or kamikaze
yeah so so we would be adding a little
bit more of a curb
coming out here um to kind of pinch it
down and and direct vehicles more saying
you know i know that there's a sign out
there that says no left turns but now
we're physically directing you to make
that right turn
in addition to that
median that we're adding here
you know obviously like ben said you can
still make some crazy moves here and do
whatever you want
but
i think that this
will go a long way in um you know
getting rid of those left turners that
you have out of there and that issue
that you all mentioned in the last
public meeting we had
yeah we we would fully support that it
i've been out there in the mornings and
it is it's dangerous when some of the
people want to turn left with all the
cars that are coming so we fully support
making you know forcing it to be a right
turn
thank you um anyone else uh
first up okay i've got another attendee
couple more attendees with hands up
appreciate that i'm going to
move you over oh
and then if others who have already
spoken have any kind of follow-up
thoughts or questions we'll move back to
you
so mark subal
um kenny i'm gonna move you over but if
you could just wait until mark's done
that would be awesome
thanks man yeah hi everyone i'm actually
not a resident of drexel but i was on
the bike study
that went around bexley
throughout the entire neighborhood i
mean north south east west
with the purpose of you know trying to
promote a better cycling infrastructure
for bexley so i have a little bit
different perspective i also commute by
bike downtown from bexley i also take my
kids on my bike
from south to north from north to south
so i
am innately aware of everything
throughout uh bexley in terms of bikes
and everything like that so a couple
things here it's i think that the cycle
track option the one where the bike
lanes are on the on the one side of the
street provide will still provide you
know an aesthetically pleasing
look it might not be as good as the
median but it will still won't be like
this concrete field i mean there will be
some green greenery that separates the
lanes in terms of the parking i
understand from the one
person that talked earlier that is
really tough at the south end there i
understand that um so like part of it is
that you know anytime you do something
like this for kind of like a greater
good of you know getting people safely
from one part to another having an
another option instead of driving i mean
most of my routes
uh in bexley are like under a mile and i
hate driving to try to find parking and
do that so we found it actually a very
pleasing way to get around the
neighborhood so losing parking i
understand is a concern there still
would be parking on the one side from
what i saw in there and also on some of
the side streets as well
it also provides just you know the one
comment about you know cyclists i i can
attest to uh rogue cyclists i actually
ride with them
you know to work and back and throughout
bexley this typically will have the
impact the cycling the track the uh the
lanes because i've i've ridden lanes
i've written them here other cities even
in europe it actually makes cyclists
almost behave better they will stay in
the lanes they won't be darting in and
out of course there's going to be
unscrupulous people that will do that
just like unscrupulous drivers there's
no doubt about that but generally we see
safer bike riding the other thing about
the median in terms of you will see more
bike riders as a result of that even if
you don't put the cycling lanes in there
they will take that route because it's
going to slow traffic down naturally so
what i think you'll see is more people
take that route which will actually slow
traffic almost too much to where you're
going to start to see like these bikers
and then what's going to happen is
they're going to start going right to
where there's no parking no nobody
parking and dart back into traffic so
you're going to actually make it less
safe for them and it's going to create a
little bit of havoc i've experienced
that multiple times especially in neil
avenue race to live there where you
would just ride people would be on you
you'd be going 10 miles an hour and then
you would dart to the right where there
was no parking for maybe a block and
then dart back in it caused a lot of of
havoc so just a little bit different of
a perspective again i don't live on
drexel don't live and breathe it but
just from what i saw kind of getting
around bexley those are some of the
things i just wanted to you know bring
to the forefront
thank you mark
thanks so much uh kenny brown
should be able to
did i move you over hold on kenny you're
there
oh i'm sorry kenny hold on one second
i thought i did that already
you'd think that we would have figured
out how to use this platform by now
there he is
hello
uh two quick comments one to mark's
comment um
my wife and i ride bikes in the summer
quite a bit we never go on drexel just
because there's so much traffic we
always go on columbia or
or street to the east so we avoid that
and it's not that difficult i don't it
just worries me whatever changes you
make to drexel just
having bikes there it's so much quieter
and easier to drive to ride on a
columbia or another street the other
comment is the uh what do you call the
the flashing bit pedestrian
call them beacons we'll call them
beacons
do people this is the carpenter marty i
guess do people start to learn how to
that they're there
over time because every every time i
stop when they're flashing probably
a third of the time there's somebody
zooming through them what people are
starting to walk across
i'm just worried
yeah i would i would absolutely agree
with you that there is a learning curve
associated with those beacons
um and and i would say that that
learning curve is for drivers as well as
pedestrians you know sometimes
pedestrians don't know that they have to
push the button or sometimes they just
choose not to push it um so some of it
is a little bit of education to the
pedestrians you know make sure that you
push the button you'll have a safer
crossing
if you do
and then like you said also the drivers
obviously some education there
i think that since you already have an
rfb up there on the road um oh sorry i
call it we call it rfbs that's
rectangular rapid flashing beacon
but yeah so
you know when you have it already um you
know
hopefully when you know you start
putting more up people are going to get
the idea um and i also think you know
they're becoming a lot more prominent
around columbus in general i know
hillyard is putting them up everywhere
there's some around easton
um
i would say any given
columbus suburb there's an rfb
out there
so yeah i think i think there's a
learning curve i think that people are
learning more of how to use it and it
will get better over time okay great
i do want to say one thing and that is
just like it's not a cure-all i mean
we've been um
i've been discouraged because we we put
that law in place a few years ago that
uh you know requires people to stop for
pedestrians at the crosswalk that you
know has the sign that with the sign of
the fee is 250 bucks and andy has to go
out there every week and replace them
because they get hit for cars
but
and and honestly it's been a little
disconcerting to see some of the
pedestrian behavior um this year
especially capital we've dealt with
seeing kids hit because they're just
assuming that a car is going to stop for
them because as people have gotten
better at it general
that's great but then from time to time
you'll have the car that doesn't and and
so it's a it's a line you tow between
you know creating this infrastructure
that's
in theory much safer but but at the end
of the day like we can't give
pedestrians a false sense of security
that you don't have to still look at the
traffic that's oncoming i think that
both of these concepts where you have
those bump outs the advantage of the
bump out
and if you have a bike lane the same
kind of thing happens is that you the
pedestrian would be much more visible to
traffic because it gets you out from
those vehicles there's a much clearer
view shed and then the crosswalk
distance is a lot shorter so with or
without the beacons i think we're
excited about the potential that this
has for the the crossing environment on
drexel
um
i don't see any other hands raised if
there's someone else in the attendee
side who wants to make a comment or has
any questions
um
now's a good time if there's anyone
who's already been moved over
who has any follow-ups um we're here so
you could go ahead and just there you go
i have another comment sorry um
i didn't see a lot of my neighbors on
this call tonight and i just want to
make sure that everyone has the chance
to give their feedback for this so what
should be
the next steps for folks who maybe
didn't get to participate tonight but
would like to be heard
thank you so much that's a great
question so
our next step with this is we're gonna
as a team kind of try to synthesize some
of the feedback and comments we've had
and narrow the concept a little bit um
and then we'll circulate that
back to drexel neighbors and also we'll
have a city council discussion uh to
discuss to to talk about it as well
there are you're right there's only 25
people on this call right now um
much better feedback than we had in may
so that's good but but we this is we
know we need to continue to just to get
this out there distributed out there
thank you um any any other questions or
comments or thoughts i just chatted um
but what what's the timeline can you
remind us on all of this
well um
we are hoping to go get drawings for
construction in the coming months um so
we're trying to get a decision made
probably in the next month or two now i
know dave coke is our city engineer and
that's longer timeline than he wants but
i think it's i think it's really
important for us to get this right and
to get feedback uh before we go to the
to finalize any drawings so
um
having said all that we have funding
lined up for this project we're hoping
to do start construction this summer on
it
and you know the construction window
closes in november so we are hoping to
make a decision in the next month or two
ben can i say one thing on schedule we
are
we are due to start
the underground infrastructure portion
of the project being a water line
replacement
and some drainage improvements and
that's going to start tentatively in the
first week of march
so that's the occurring first
right to that point thanks dave
since we have y'all here on the call you
know we focused a lot about the street
piece of this but you've seen this the
sewer trucks and experienced their
impact on the sewer lining project that
happened this summer that's part of the
same project this past summer sorry
um dave do you want to just give a real
brief overview of what's going to happen
this summer before any street
improvements
yes
thanks ben
starting uh starting the first available
opportunity when weather allows we're
going to
work on a water main installation and
tentatively we're gonna start at main
street and work north
we're working in small phased areas of
one to two blocks at a time
and
they're gonna
be working extensively
within that within that zone
on the side of the street where the
water main will be located
the other side will be open to two-way
traffic
in the work zone there will not be
necessarily
street parking allowed
during during that phase
so when we have the new water main
installed
and or the storm new storm sewer for
that block
we'll repair the pavement we'll clean it
up and then we'll move
northward to the next area julie your
area will be tentatively scheduled for
when school's out
and that will be
later
in the spring early summer hopefully
so
my idea afterwards after we have cleared
some of these areas is that we could
start
with the surface improvements the
traffic safety improvements as a
separate contract and separate crew
again starting in the south and working
north
so there would be a potential another
time when certain areas not whole blocks
but certain areas would have
improvements taking place
and that would work in the same fashion
most likely from south to north
the odot is is working with us also on a
repaving project which we're finalizing
the documents on and they're set to go
to bid
now in may
and that tentative date for repaving the
road
will be contingent on our finishing
the projects i just discussed
and would be no earlier than september
october time frame
if we can if we can finish by then if
not cold weather and temperatures will
push us off into the spring 2023
so but but in no case we'll uh will
there not be pavement down to use over
the winter
every every trench will be patched
in every phase before we move to the
next phase
so
we'll be putting more notices out over
time too and you'll for residents not
not necessarily for
uh travelers but for residents on the
street they'll see a lot of notices for
different activities and different
different um
ideas that were uh
need to communicate to them
and that'll probably start in about
about a month
a month and a half from now
dave um just to give people a preview of
coming to attractions the storm sewer
work that's happening is that going to
get rid of the fair and drexel pond
that's the primary that's the primary
focus is
to uh create a storm sewer that can
drain that area effectively in in most
storms not all storms but most storms
right now it backs up quite frequently
as people are aware
yeah so i just wanted to make it clear
that there's a there's a storm sewer
piece to this which you know we're
pretty excited we'll solve some
infrastructure shortcomings um in that
stretch of drexel and help with lots of
other issues um
the i want to be clear on the next steps
in timeline because i see some questions
in the chat about that um
we will send another letter out to
residents with as those drawings are
refined
with any drawings that are going to be
brought to city council um and so that
the concepts are clear and because i
understand that a piece of paper that
just talks about a meeting doesn't
really send the message the same as
saying here are some things that are
going to be discussed so we'll send it
with illustrations and then a specific
time for a
uh
discussion at a city council meeting um
i would imagine in february so that's a
timeline we still need to i need to come
back after this feedback with our team
and make sure that those timelines are
realistic um but as i said before
you know we're not going to close the
door for comment after this meeting i
want to still continue to hear back from
you guys and and we'll share with you
the progress that that happens and yes
i will reach out to the columbus
marathon we'll we'll do that this week
just to make sure that we get their
feedback in in pocket as we uh consider
this
anyone else have any questions or uh
comments
i just wanted to come in and uh thank
everyone thank the consultants and the
city staff for the opportunity for us to
talk about this
um and also just for for considering
bike lanes and prioritizing cycling um
and the fact that the city is making
investments like this so i don't think
anyone should take that for granted and
most importantly uh showing my
nine-year-old daughter how things get
done in a city so thank you appreciate
it
thanks forever
all right well thank you so much guys uh
we will reach back out to you with our
next steps and really appreciate your
feedback this evening it's been super
helpful
so uh thank you very much and have a
great evening i'll see you
all right bye