foreign
ER before six o'clock or not
yeah like last month you were worrying
okay
yeah you're really good at that I always
forget oh it sometimes doesn't work
forget it's on forget it's off
difference
because it's fun now here we go
we will call to order the February 9
2023 Architectural Review board meeting
for Bexley
um can we call the roll
Mr Crosby
yes
here
this is the time of the meeting for
public comment so if there's something
that you would like to talk to the board
about that
um is not on the agenda tonight you can
come up and speak to us about something
that like again is not on the agenda if
you want to talk about something that is
on the agenda tonight please wait until
it's uh comes up through our uh through
our rotation and you will need to have
standing in order to do that so is there
anyone that wants to talk about anything
that's not on the agenda tonight please
come forward
okay seeing nothing uh can we have
approval of the minutes
so moved seconded
um I did not receive minutes from last
so I don't I I don't remember reviewing
uh or seeing the minutes from last
meetings were they sent out separately
they were in the Dropbox folder I'm
sorry I did not review them so I've seen
yes
okay uh the next is
um we will go into
approval of tabled items which is
actually old business right
okay so we will start with the first
application it's application number bzap
20-52 the applicant is the Community
Builders the owner is 420 North Cassidy
Avenue LLC the location is 420 North
Cassidy Avenue the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval for a
three-story structure with commercial on
the first floor and residential on the
second and third floors this application
was remanded to ARB final
decision approval as a condition of the
bzap approval uh Karen will give us some
background
okay
um
as to what's happened recently
um I put with Nicole earlier sorry
um we both decided that I it's probably
a good idea just to give a staff report
instead of going through a whole
presentation again to because I think we
all kind of know where we are
um last month we had some pretty uh
intense discussion robust discussion
about the architecture and how
um it there were differing levels of
opinion within the board and and in the
audience yet there was a pretty General
consensus that it was not the right the
right fit for that part that for Bexley
I'll just put it at that so we decided
to um the applicant decided to ask for a
tabling under the understanding that we
would
organize Nicole and I meetings every
Thursday
from January until now
um and we did that and we have really
rolled up our sleeves and worked through
design changes
um the footprint hasn't changed much
significantly at all
um that is part of the original approval
that we would stay within that generally
that footprint but I think you will see
that the
um the elevations the materials the you
name it Windows
um brickwork the sensitivity to what
we're I know that is confusing to a lot
of people that looks like Bexley is is
getting there if not there and by that
we mean that it maintains the character
of the neighborhood
um we've you know gone through the
design guidelines we've talked about
matching the residential nature of the
neighborhood
um even though it is on it on a
commercial Corridor
um a scale first floor pedestrians
sensitivity
I'm just telling you all the different
I'm just bringing up as many issues that
I could remember that we talked about so
I think the best thing to do is just to
go through the new
um this is the this is the old drawings
let me bring up the new
so Karen have the new drawings been on
the website that um people in the
community can pull them up absolutely
yeah so just so just by way of like an
update for everybody
um we changed back I would say back to
our old old system from the so the
website looks a little bit different for
everybody but the link that you guys get
as board members is the same thing that
the public can pull up so anything it's
actually quite a bit easier for staff
whatever we load into the folder we
don't have to publish anymore it just
automatically goes to the website so yes
that's a long answer to your question
but I just want to make sure everybody
knows it's been out there every time
I've gotten a final update I've updated
it too
um so this is the new elevation
and I can go through the drawings we can
stop on any
um elevation that you'd like to
we really emphasized changing at least
um adding a lot more brick to the
building
um to maintain a more traditional kind
of window pattern and look
um to get rid of those bump outs that
I think pretty unanimously the board
didn't feel were in keeping with the
neighborhood the architecture and styles
of the neighborhood
um there there is the use of awnings and
and a water table
um you know I think we can just dive in
and talk
um about it my ultimate goal as staff is
to get a sense that this is approvable
if not
um
outright but with as many conditions as
the board would like so so that we can
so the project can know that it's going
forward in a positive way and funding
can be secured Etc that there is no
implication all that anyone is being
held hostage this is on a really good
momentum we've had
um without having a quorum we have had
feedback from board members individually
we've been this has been a work in
progress intensely for the last month
and I think we've made a lot of progress
yes there is still some things that we
would like to see done I think it's
important that we make a list and have
um we can even have a condition that it
comes back for a final review or
internet inter you know intermittent
reviews doesn't matter we can do every
everything we want to do in conditions
um with that I'm just gonna unless you
want to say anything I think we can just
take questions from the audience and
then delve into
Nicole Knight
do you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes ma'am thank you I just want to
piggyback and say thank you because I
know that this the collaboration over
the last month was not an easy lift her
the ARB members or for Karen to have to
coordinate all of this and I I do think
and I hope that we have a much better
design when it comes to the feedback
that we've been hearing and what we're
seeing as buildings that you've pointed
to in the neighborhood and in the
surrounding Columbus Metropolitan Area
um we are open to conditions we
recognize that there are features even
within the elevations that maybe don't
tie out to the floor plans because we're
continuing to refine things and so we
are open to however we can move forward
collaboratively but we're hopeful that
this design is something that we are
getting closer to a building that
everybody can point to and really say
we're proud of
so thank you I'll just make one more
General comment and then I'll be quiet
and let everybody else go on because
um along with me being kind of deemed in
charge of the design process for this
through ARB I've done a lot of research
and studying and seeing what's going on
nationally and this is a big deal that
here in Bexley were kind of setting a
precedent for how the architecture and
design can better enhance affordable
living and economic opportunities in
well-resourced neighborhoods and we eyes
are on it and it's really exciting thing
to be able to say we did it right so and
I know Community Builders is feels the
same way because we've had these
discussions as painful as the process
has been at times I think we're in a
good place and we should all be
um you know proud of where we've come to
but I also recognize that we just need
to take as much time as we need as long
as there's assurances that that um
we can move forward
and at that I'll be quiet
um is there anyone then from your side
that wants to go through the changes and
speak about what what we're seeing now
in elevations even if it's not for the
board members to
um present it to the people in the in
the community that might be listening or
in the audience so please state your
name
do you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I do thank you so I can talk a
little bit about the programming um
changes that have led to a calmer
elevation
um so as we shared our funding
guidelines have strict requirements
about minimum unit sizes and around
different amenities and features and
obviously we have project costs that
we've been trying to balance and so we
did some exercises after the meeting in
January to look at if we wanted to
remove some of those bump outs what are
some of the ways we could do that could
we accomplish it by adding square
footage can we accomplish it by maybe
moving units and shrinking corridors or
you know pushing things back and forth
and so the the facade that you see along
the Cassidy Corridor is a much calmer
facade it goes all the way down it's
it's a single you know elevation from
the ground floor all the way up those
overhangs are not there the benefit of
this change is that the units are
actually a little bit larger than what
they were in our original design and so
we think that it actually is going to
lend to some Even Better Living
opportunities for the people who are
going to occupy those units on the
ground floor that additional square
footage is captured in more amenity
space for the residents it does not add
to commercial square footage so we're
still in compliance with the um vzap
requirements for the the commercial
space so it just allowed us to expand
and improve what we think are the units
the unit conditions and then from a
design perspective on my Kevin speak to
that sure sure I would say as Nicole
said that there's a lot of areas where
the building floor plan really just
pushed out to the Outer Limits so adding
some floor area to the building in
different ways but it didn't allow that
to be flattened out in a couple of areas
and then looks like we did rework a unit
on the North Area to flatten out
that
decide like
pushing it in a couple feet and
stretching it out three or four feet you
know directions somebody got us there as
well
um looking at the elevations
oops
window site we originally had
fixed windows and
double hung Windows these are now all
level homes
windows and these work has been extended
I won't say development has been
extended to about four feet beyond the
limits ago that we can add steel angles
and additional wood framing into the
wall systems that will support for that
top four trees independently so we can
get that cool
then the other portions are metal panels
there's a metal base panel that's we did
look uh whether that panel should be
similar in color to The Brick or can do
its own thing looking at available
pre-finished colors finding something
that would not only match the brick
today there's really a lot of things
that are not quite a good mix
match but
we didn't want that to look like in here
make this nor do we want those better
colors that might Fade to Pinker Colors
Over time so we felt in neutral color
and just keeping them exist what's the
other approach
and one of the things that we do want to
propose as a condition is that there's a
mock-up of the materials
um so that way we can see them in you
know constructed in a smaller scale and
in certain daylight and you know Dawn
and dusk because we recognize that
what's on the rendering doesn't
necessarily translate to what happens in
real life and the time frame for things
you know there might be new products or
different panel color that gets released
and so that is a condition that we're
asking to have placed on an approval is
that there's a mock-up and that the
board members are invited to to come and
look at everything and we've done that
before where we put the materials you
put the materials on site for a few days
so you can see it in Sun and shade and I
think that's a very reasonable and good
condition to add
anything else
okay
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about this application uh
please raise your hand
um so there's only two of you that wanna
okay
okay we can you know what I'll have this
gentleman speak and then I'll have him
give you the uh microphone
well we need to have it we need to have
it on record so so if you wouldn't mind
coming up to the podium and uh
uh Kathy we'll swear you in please you
state your name Larry golden and I live
at the corner of Rural and steamberry
drive he's right you saw me swear from
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
I'm just gonna speak
briefly about the proposed building in
the building design now I'm going to
talk in very Broad generalities
and I want you to really think long and
hard about this
how is this impacting the people in this
middle class area Bexley who had a save
and save to put down a deposit to buy a
home in this area in contrast to these
people they didn't get government grants
for subsidies
number two with their outstanding
mortgage how is this building going to
increase or more likely lower the value
of their major investment in all
likelihood this is the largest part of
their retirements and it's now at risk
and it's in your hands
would you allow this next to your
particular home
and lastly please note the following
Bexley wouldn't allow retirement housing
across from the osu's president's house
which was in a very affluent area even
though the design of the existing house
really was an impact in much please
think about these issues thank you very
much sir do you have anything in regards
to the architecture because that's what
this board discusses is the RPM yes I
don't believe that fits in this
particular area obviously
nor does a three-story fit in this
particular area thank you and if you
look at the age of this particular
building please look several blocks to
the left we were housing also went in
two floors which was controversial at
the time across from the Bexley or
Excelsior club and that housing over
time and you see how it currently looks
there's a very big difference between
people having owner occupied housing
and apartments over time historically
Apartments go downhill thank you very
much sir could you hand that microphone
to the video
thank you sir
my name is Ruth Ellen Weaver
do you solemnly swear affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth I do thank you any
great um I sold a house in Virginia
Fairfax Virginia can you tell us your
address yes 400 Stanberry Avenue and my
law offices are on Direct Sol 542 South
Drexel
um I am very blessed I thought my life
was over when I moved to Bexley because
I didn't know it very well
um I am a major part of my uh net worth
is tied up in my home which is paid off
and it is a block west of Cassidy
um in a um middle class affordable
neighborhood Believe It or Not Bexley
Woods uh even though I realized there's
some push to you know all housing has
gone up we're very blessed I would like
to see this neighborhood preserved I
remember when there was senses Gulf
station gas station and uh lanyap and
other things
um shareds that have disappeared that
were part of bexley's History I do not
particularly think this building looks
at all like what the Cassidy corridors
you call it should look like and I would
urge you to think about again as Mr
Golden said the impact on all of the
people who live in that area uh who shop
in that area whenever possible going to
Bexley natural food whose children are
in the daycare center and I don't see or
didn't hear anything and I should have
maybe done some research as to how the
parking I mean this looks like a
multi-unit on the second and third floor
and I know that I
I'm trying to think if I've ever seen
any cars parked on Bexley other than
Amazon excuse me on Cassidy other than
Amazon trucks I mean uh my son lives at
160 South Cassidy and I can tell you
that people don't usually park there
unless they're broken down or if they're
delivering and I'm not sure when you
pull up to that particular Corner
whether
um this is going to fit in at all I
would urge you to reconsider approving
the architecture which I know is your
main purpose and I speak with great
respect for all of you and I appreciate
you listening but again I would urge you
to not approve it as part of the process
that is in ongoing train and as they say
the light at the end of the tunnel is
the light of an oncoming train on this
thank you ma'am did you receive a notice
a formal note I did not okay I it was
only and I you know like the Bexley Buzz
is like the best I understand I did not
receive any notices to those who have
standing I do have standing but I did
not receive notice
um I'm one block west and one block open
block west of Cassidy and one block
north of Maryland I should have I think
been in there on my uh if you know where
Stanberry Drive comes out it's typically
within 300 feet uh within 300 feet I'm
not within 300 feet thank you for your
time and thank you for listening
but I am impacted
thank you very much is there anyone else
in the audience that would like to speak
um about this application
okay seeing
so the parking really isn't part of the
architecture
um and all of that has been approved by
bzap so we are basically the last stop
for this project
um our job is to get the architecture
right and so we have had this project in
front of us I think now six times
and we are finally making a lot of
progress
um getting to a building that I think
most of the board members are getting
more comfortable with I don't want to
speak for everybody but I would say the
parking was done at bizap months ago so
if you really want to talk about that
you needed to do that months ago with
bizap okay
yeah sorry about that
um so do you want to speak about the
architecture at all
okay
all right if there's no one in the
audience that wants to talk about
architecture I'm going to turn it over
to the board and is there a board member
that would like to go first I know you
have to leave you want to go
all right
oh it's been a long day so I apologize
um
so I I'm I'm very grateful Nicole for
your comments and for the uh obvious
uh hard work that's gone into this
and uh I really appreciate you know your
uh your teams you know working with our
board and with the city to make this
right
and
um I can see that a lot of the comments
you know that have been Incorporated
um for me it's at this point it's really
about details
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um
and really you know I don't I don't want
to I'm trying to refrain from things
that are a little too detailed that I
can certainly you know I mean I I
probably should relay them in public and
and not just to the design consultant
for the city but you know little things
like
um masonry is so difficult these days
because we are lacking in quality Masons
anymore
and
um there are there are there are some
here but I don't know what your budget
is going to be able to afford and even
when you do simple brick facades like
this the quality of a soldier course can
vary greatly
um I've seen Church social Halls that
when you walk up to them uh new
construction they look really shoddy
really shoddy and I don't know who these
Masons are but
I think it's important for Bexley that
this project makes sure that it has a
historic you know kind of long-standing
Mason
uh from the region that can do this
um
and I would also ask that you know the
mortar not be just a regular Portland
cement that used something more historic
something darker something more of like
a buff color
um because otherwise you're just going
to look like a striped building and
it'll actually change the perception of
the color of the brick
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um
does the the soldier courses over the
windows I would request that they not be
projected
um depending on the kind of brick that
you're using that can look really shoddy
it looks messy
um if you just even if it's a velor
brick you know just keep it flush these
are obviously my opinions about this I
just making a note for the record
um
certainly the belt courses and the
converge should project but I would say
that any of the lentils that you have
over windows The Brick lentils that uh
you've probably seen buildings like this
where they that's they they project all
of those by an inch you'll see them at
you know strip malls too you know where
they've re-facotted things and it just
doesn't look it doesn't look like Bexley
Bexley has a clean
um
uh I would you know they pay attention
to what the materials are actually good
at doing that's what we want in Bexley
and it takes a good Mason and a good
designer to really know how to work with
masonry the right way
um this isn't New Albany this isn't
Dublin this is Bexley and we like these
clean sort of more simple traditional
details
um and then one of my comments was that
the soldier course at the top acts sort
of like a freeze I was hoping that it
would be able to be continuous above the
windows instead of the windows breaking
through I do worry about looking up at
those windows and seeing that gfrg or
whatever it is material you know going
back deeper than the brick and uh you
know the exposed steel lintel that's
going to be there over those third floor
windows
and is it possible to you know make that
push the soldier course up so that it
goes complete over the windows and then
for the gfrg band up there to sit on top
of that
um I don't know that that's possible I
don't think it make or makes or breaks
my vote but I think it's an important
detail for for the long term
but you know in in architecture school
as as uh Mr Beam knows this was called
like a fabric we would call this like a
fabric building in the context of
community where you have
um you have buildings of different
categories different you know you have
churches you have Civic buildings at top
tier and then you've got your other
buildings that we call fabric underneath
and this is a great example of a good
Community fabric building which is
exactly what we were asking for in the
land use strategy commission when we
were looking at North Cassidy this fits
that bill to the T so I'm very happy
um to see this
and
um I hope that the awnings gain a little
more character you know to sort of fit
into The Pedestrian quality and of and
character of North Bexley
um
so
those those are really my only comments
and then I see that you have different
sizes of metal panels running along the
roof I don't see why you need to do that
I would just make them all the same
equal lengths it's really acting like a
giant freeze and there's no reason to
accentuate
by smaller panels over each window
so as you can see my comments are very
detail-oriented but
um I really think that if we're going to
go all the way which you spent so much
time already on this and we're so
grateful for that that just to go that
extra step you know and get all these
details right especially selecting the
right Masons and making sure those
details can be done well in context of
Bexley I would be a very happy
um signature to to this project moving
forward
so a question to go along with that
Nicole when you do the samples will you
have a brick mock-up with the mortar and
the style of the mortar and all that
kind of stuff yeah we can definitely
coordinate that
okay that's all for me thank you thank
you
Mr Scott yeah I'm just listening sorry
okay I was just saying your name for the
person who records this more than
anything else so thank you
um
I think it's a great move forward I
think
you know you really have to look at the
overall
influence influencers of this project
right we we're we have a kind of an
urban Corridor that's planned and Zoning
for this capacity area we have a lot of
history and and context that surrounds
this area this this building and we've
talked about that length in these
meetings
um and I think we also have to
understand the the who who this building
is being built for and and the financial
model to some sense because we don't
talk about that specifically here but uh
and and I think you've gone through
great strides to uh invest in in the
exterior
material for the facade that one is
contextual to what we call the Bexley
character
um and I think you've done a a really
good job in developing
um an overall look to the building that
fits I think very well into our
community uh at first I was I thought it
was it felt a little bit University kind
of you know there's that there's
obviously a lot of a universal brick
work in universities uh but the more I
look at the more I like the the things
that you've put into this the stone base
of the building I think works really
well I think the I I am also concerned
with some of the details I think the on
the west elevation there's two things
that jump through three things that
jumped out first was mentioned by Mr
hire the soldier course being
interrupted by the windows as an
architectural style I'm not I guess
offended by that but I'm worried about
the top of your window
uh and I would also support that being
raised up if that's a you know if you're
not getting too tall with your brick and
Wood Construction or you know the things
that are you deal with related to that
uh and then I think this might be a
graphic issue on your rendering but
maybe not on the north side of your west
elevation that Soldier course stops
is it meant to continue at the left side
oh I see what you're talking about on
the wrap around yeah I should wrap all
the way around because it does on the
South Side so I'm assuming this that's
the case and then in the center where I
believe is your entrance to your um you
have this brick detail it's a vertical
band uh that runs right down the middle
of the building
can you explain what that is
so if you uh west elevation
just a little brick details
foreign
and then you it looks like there's a
Stone base to that before the awning is
that true is that just curious what that
oh behind the tree behind the tree so it
might be a an anomaly in your rendering
precast
that reset
okay
it's it's different and are you doing
that to kind of divide that longer
facade up yeah yeah the proportion
between the windows seem winded up
something there
and then as you go around the building
uh I think the the north uh and South
elevations are are done quite well on
appropriate
um you know you for the most part on
this you you've broken up the the facade
obviously with Windows for your units
there's not a large blank wall except
for that South Wall
uh but it's really not uh not terrible
so I have no
major concern about that and then your
East Elevation uh I also appreciate and
I know it's a balance between the
materials on your exterior and your
budgets but
um you know that's where you start going
towards the single family one and
two-story structures
and the fact that you brought the um the
siding down which is a little bit more
where we would want to see the balance
for you know you wouldn't want to see a
full three-story brick structure uh
adjacent to that I think it's balanced
and I think it works really well I think
it's much more successful than your
previous versions uh so I agree with
some the comments from the metal panels
I think those should be just uniform
across the top and let them be
comfortable with what they want to be
easy to install uh and uh you know
obviously some of the other details that
were mentioned but I am in full support
of of where you're at today
okay Miss croskey
yeah I think it looks better uh I like
the fact that you have the brick going
up more on the facade uh metal panels
are nice I mean if it was
I've never been a huge fan of the fiber
cement but so if there's a way to do an
alternate to see if you can not have
that on the project at the back uh you
know test it out I don't know but uh
otherwise I agree with their comments
and
yeah that's it
I just have one more I was thinking
about you know The Pedestrian experience
of this
um ground floor
and you have one soldier course that
kind of defines the cap of the ground
floor right and then everything above
that is the residential windows
you know you might spend a little more
time on what that band looks like than
just being a soldier of course it may be
that you project another another
header course or you know a rolock
course or something that can give it
maybe a double projection or something
you know that would help to create this
sort of crown to The Pedestrian Zone and
this is something that we see you know
uh sometimes it's the material change
like you were doing in your previous
scheme sometimes it's a band that
creates a shadow line that's sort of
like a crown
um
creating you know this basically a more
visual about the fact that this ground
level is The Pedestrian Zone and
everything else above that is private I
know that this ground floor is private
um but
who knows you know in a hundred years
maybe this ground floor becomes
commercial there's a coffee shop there's
you know a salon or whatever
and so the architecture endures and it
continues to speak as a as a fabric
building addressing the public zone so I
would spend a little more time on on
that detail I I might as well say it now
while I'm here well I'm here sorry madam
chairman
thank you
um so I I want to thank you this is so
much better I am so relieved that we've
gotten to a much simpler building
um but I think all along we've been
talking about the details of the brick
are kind of so that's what I think I'd
like to
um just kind of focus on as I drive
around my office down in the arena
district a lot of these buildings now
have a recessed line of brick in it
rather than projecting out and they
might do it you know to create a band in
between and I could see where something
like that could be nice on that ground
floor or in between the second and third
floor to create just these really gentle
patterns in the brick that
um I think give it so much detail
um and and sophistication so uh I
struggle with the um with the white line
going across the windows because as I
drive around I can't find any building
that does that and looks good to me so
it to me it's always needed to be
another course of brick underneath that
and
um you know how we do that I don't know
but it I I to me it reads like that line
is just squashing those
um those windows down so I'm still
struggling with that a little bit what
are you talking about right here yes
yes
that corn is kind of detailed to the to
the building I'm also struggling with
the South elevation
um and I told Karen this I'm sure she
passed it on to you so you're showing
double windows
um that South elevation that is the
capacity side of it but when I look at
the plan that's a single window in both
the second and third floor
so I think your elevations just haven't
caught up to your floor plan
um and then on an earlier iteration you
had the window in the stairwell
which I personally think is so friendly
for people that are having to take the
stairs you know to have a window in
there you know if power goes out or
anything so I would love to see that
window come back not only for the first
floor but the other floors too and it
doesn't have to be a giant but I think
anything going up that South elevation
of three Windows creating a pattern up
there and then I'd love to see more
brick details or something that's
carrying you know windows that aren't
there or something just some pattern
across that South elevation so that the
people that will will be viewing it
because I you know you with the street
going there I think you're going to see
that whole side of the building as you
drive
um North on Cassidy Avenue so I'd like
to see more brick details on that
stairwell
um part of the South elevation
so do you see where yeah right here is
the window that is shown in plan yeah
and that's where um we appreciate you
giving that feedback and um just with
the time to make all the changes but
yeah we appreciate you bringing that up
and I think there is a level of just
cleaning everything up and working with
the engineers now to make sure like that
we're getting all the details right
about the brick and how high it's going
and that detail above the third
um that third story window and um the
windows in the stairwell are something
that we support as a company to because
we're trying to encourage people to walk
and yeah especially on a three-story
building like yeah faster to take the
stairs sometimes than it is to wait for
the a new fancy elevators that take a
really long time yeah but I thought if
those double windows got taken down to
single windows that kind of changes that
elevation on the second third floor so I
think as you look at that I'm hoping
that other windows come back into play
and then again I think more brick
details kind of fill in all those flat
surfaces that we've now created so but
just to confirm this is the correct with
the double not the plan we need to look
at the plan okay
it looks like it might be in the bedroom
yeah headboard wall right based on your
living oh it's a living room so that was
so these will be double
and then there'll be smaller Windows
going up the stair on this facade
the floor yeah the floor plan shows a
window in there it just needs to be yeah
it showed it on the first floor but it
did not show it on the second and third
and
again I I just feel like people are more
important to use the stairs the answer
is yes
and they have Windows in it so
yeah we were concerned it was feeling
too asymmetrical given the more
symmetrical compositions but Abby
doesn't have to happen we'll let that
one slide yeah I don't I don't have a
problem with the asymmetrical again you
know we look at these in elevation but
no one ever looks at a building as a
flat thing you're always looking at the
corners and so once you put this into a
model and I think you know you'll really
kind of see oh this corner might be over
windowed or whatever but
um so I I think it would be great if you
just you know next time we see it if you
have a few more of the uh details ironed
out and but you know all in all it's
it's amazing
um and the direction you're taking it is
awesome so I want to thank you for that
thank you
uh could we look at the North side too
just in context uh-huh
the north side has a lot of Windows on
it yeah so that's style yeah
there it is that's the north that's true
yeah because you have the L shape of the
building there well and it's on the
street it's it's it's on the it's on it
turns the corner on the street even on
the West Side there's a unit there so
there's a lot more articulation in the
windows Yep
okay so um where are we then with what I
know you guys are needing approval of us
enough that you can move forward with
funding correct so we can get drawings
finalized so we can get pricing and
figure out where everything falls so we
can start to move forward with the
environmental work that has to happen on
the site so we would we would
respectfully ask if we could consider a
vote tonight with conditions of coming
back either 2A or B or working with
staff and board members on the details
and refinement of those elements I I
haven't heard anything in any of your
comments that is
insurmountable for us to to collaborate
on and I think that a lot of the
comments and I'm looking at Kevin as I
say that I think that they're um they're
great details for us to to really start
to to hone in on in collaboration with
our engineers and and other partners
one quick clarification yeah
agree with us and some limitations but
we wanted to carry that work across the
top of the windows too we think that
makes sense but
we're also at the absolute maximum we've
got 30 feet of brick is what we can
support by going on the foundation then
the structural engineer is telling us
that four feet is the absolute maximum
that they want to go
the borderline scale angle supported out
of the training Transit balance of the
foundation we looked at making the
window height shorter so that we could
generate that across we're actually
within a couple square feet of the bare
minimum of glazing on those other
stories that generally can prevent so
it's it's that bad is can I ask a
question about that then if you were to
reproportion it's gfrg up there is that
what that is going to be
oh for the band for that light band so
you have all those seams
oh
why not why not gfrg
because if you did a gfrg you could you
you would have seams that you would
would be Mason you know masonry joints
basically and and they could ride free
over those windows and you won't have
all the issues of oil canning and you
know when the sunlight hits this you
know
met preform metal panels are one thing
but doing a cornice you know you can get
pre-formed cornices but it's always the
joints where they come together where it
can look really I hate to say it but
shoddy you know depending on who your
contractor is your sub so
okay and then or or the other option is
in my mind is to use a gfrg or something
that will go across the windows
basically in where your band is now okay
but it would be a brick color
that's what I was just going to say if
that band was even just brick color
right it to me it it wants to be the
jewelry on the building and it's if it's
not going to be amazing then it probably
should just blend in so
but I think again those are all part of
the details part of the materials and
stuff that we can are you shopping on
are you looking the main band that
they're looking at metal is making that
match the brick color would you then
also then delete the soldier course and
allow that to be this kind of yeah
yeah so then you don't have the soldier
course getting interrupted you just
eliminate that clean that up and there's
left that but I think that ban needs to
be Soldier course height yes and you
just change the proportions of that
element but
um I I was looking at this thinking
those were gfrg and beef up the
brickwork like Suzanne River was saying
it in between the first one and the
second floor
right yeah so that doesn't change it
doesn't change your Heights it's just a
matter of material and color that's
going to
looked more solid above those windows
okay
yeah
okay so um you would like us to put it
to a vote and um I'm definitely
comfortable with you coming back to us
with a lot of these details I
I are you okay with that Karen because I
feel like there's a lot on here that
works so let me let me just really
quickly read through what I think are
conditions one is a mock-up of materials
on the site including the brick mortar
the mortar for the brick let me let me
that would be during construction it
would yeah it would not be before it
wouldn't be yeah but I want to put it in
the condition that's fine but I want to
make sure that happens
of approval okay
um we can change the order because
there's also um approval by Tree in
public gardens commission yes I've got
um
uh coming back to this board for
elevation review of details including
brickwork metal details cornice awnings
Etc so we're not asking for any major
changes but a detailed review of the
elevations here
I think that covers it
is there anything else you want to add
so is it returning to the board for
approval yes yeah the details the
architectural details are coming back to
us when they're ready
um but then you know the rest of them
are as they happen so
the markup of finishes would be whenever
they have them ready to okay so this is
so the approval goes through per
if we vote for approval or however the
vote goes that's that's for the whole
project but the condition is that they
come back yeah they can't move on with
building permits unless they come back
the conditions but that approval will
allow them to continue with their right
okay okay
so do you want me with the findings yes
please
the findings the fact and decision of
the board for application number
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bzap-20-52 for property located at 420
North Cassidy the architecture review
board
finds
that the proposed three-story mixed-use
Residential Building
is architecturally
appropriate
and
can replace the existing one-story
building
with the following conditions
that the applicant is to
provide a mock-up
made available to board members on site
that a landscape plan go to the tree and
public garden commission for review and
approval and no trees can be removed
until the landscape plan is approved
demolition cannot occur until a building
plan approval is obtained
for construction and in conjunction with
any needed re environmental remediation
that the final design review
go to the design consultant to address
recommendations related to brickwork and
windows so it's important back here for
that Kathy is that going to is coming
back to the board okay so final design
review on the details of the bill we'll
come back to the board of the building
show or come back to the board with
relay related to brickwork and windows
in the stairwell and metal work and
metal work
and I I would I would
make the mock-up more specific to
mock-up of materials I just don't want
there to be any confusion
wow I had that written above markup so
material mock-up on an available on site
which is not a requirement for building
a permit but before we can write that'll
just be part of the process
okay so do you understand the findings
effect as they are read yes mammals okay
is there a board member that will make a
motion
so I moved Cross Key
second Scott
all right let me call the roll yes
please Mr Scott yes Mr Howard yes Miss
kraske yes Tony yes
thank you very much for all your work
and for being patient with us
okay the next item on our list tonight
is application ARB 22-58 the address is
21 South Parkview the applicant is Neil
hushild uh Cheryl where an Nth Degree
the owner is Russ Klein and the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review in a blue and a certificate of
appropriateness for a covered porch
Edition
and Karen will give us some background
yes
um this application was before you once
before and
November I believe
January and we didn't have a meeting in
December yes and that's correct that is
correct I was thinking um there there
were
um it was a relatively short hearing
just by way of reminder that the
um applicant just didn't have the kind
of full set of drawings that was is
typically expected at the architecture
review board so I've worked with
um Ms Ware on uh give I've sent her
examples of different designers who have
come before our board so that she can
see how the expectation level and I
think that um
from my perspective the intent is very
clear what is going on here some of the
drawings are probably still going to
need to be refined for buildings
um permits okay but I think that they're
very improved from what was originally
if you remember I'm not going to bring
them up but some SketchUp like
three-dimensional modeling yeah really
couldn't
you really couldn't we really couldn't
see what was going on so I think we're
definitely getting there okay um it's a
the intent is very clear to me and it's
just a matter of working through the
drawings to have permittable drawings
okay can we Square the applicant in
Kathy sure please state your name uh
Cheryl where do you saw me swear from
the testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
okay do you want to give us some updates
about
your project or do you want me to just
go to the board
um
um I'm totally honest with you this is
the first time I've ever done this and I
was told to come here
um
it's basically just a covered porch
That's being put on top of an existing
um patio
and uh we're painting a fireplace in
there
and we're attaching it to the existing
structure we're matching all the
um
Stone
the roofing everything to match with the
house existing home
um there's electrical and
tell me what you need me to tell you
well um that's fine okay all that's good
how about if I just go to board members
and they'll have questions for me
oh I'm sorry is there anyone in the
public that would like to speak about
this application
okay
thank you
okay
okay we'll go to board members um is
there a board member that would like to
go first
Mr Scott
sure
um
I appreciate the additional information
and the drawings so thank you
um it that it helps I think I'm still
not fully settled on
uh how this engages the adjacent uh roof
um I think it feels like there's two
roofs coming in and hitting
um and I saw the section so there's it
it's somewhat clear it's not a huge area
so I think it's
I I think it's gonna because you have
the flat roof that you're building out
over so I think overall you know I have
to kind of trust that you're going to be
matching and obviously this home
um is a is a size and quality that
you're going to want to match and
anything shorter that will and not work
for very well uh so you know that those
things are being said so as we get into
the construction drawings more uh we
rely on staff uh and the building
department to kind of review all of that
so uh we have to trust that that
system's gonna be fine
um so I don't I don't I think overall
the what you're doing and the addition
and the idea of the outdoor living room
and the fireplace is is fine I it's it's
it's a little hard to understand the
overall
um scale and proportion compared to the
the whole house but I think you have a
lot to
especially on the roof line when you
look at the overall roof photos I think
it'll fit in just fine there's a lot
going on on the existing house so I
think if you were going to do any
addition over the patio this is probably
where you'd want to do it so I think
that also is appropriate
um yeah these drawings were helpful so
uh you know I don't know the exact I
don't know if the actual section calls
out of height for that uh the eve but it
definitely is sitting underneath the
larger elevation of the existing
um right and a half structure so either
I think that's appropriate uh you're
above the flat roof pair pit which is
appropriate so
um I think we've kind of tucked it in
there that drawing looks a little out of
proportion if you could go back your
second floor Windows look too short
based on the photograph uh so that only
would push that roof up higher so yeah
um
so I don't have any you know it's it's
hard it's so hard because of the
different style of drawings and and how
you put together but what I'm looking at
I don't have anything
objectional to it
yeah that pretty much
I mean sums it up it's just they're just
not traditional drawings so which is why
I spent packets of several different
Architects that frequent uh and
designers that frequent our board to and
they're getting no questions they're
getting better
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um this is entirely open correct so does
it need to be attached
by the entire wall or it needs to attach
to the um main house where the um
the doors are patio doors because you
step down into that part of the patio
and then we attach it to that
there's this we want to be able to walk
out and not have to
have any space between them and the new
porch
can you come up and be sworn in
please state your name hi uh Bronwyn
Fortin these families were from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth correct thank you
um this Edition is going to mimic an
existing porch that's part of the
original house
um and so the idea is it's going to look
exactly what we've asked for it looks
exactly like the original porch that's
on the other like a side of the house
and the same thing there's a door that
opens out onto that covered porch I
think the only difference here is we're
going to add an outdoor fireplace
correct
yeah
yeah right there the little uh uh that
one right there that one so we're
mimicking that on the other side of the
house
yeah I mean like I said in both my staff
report and my verbal staff report I
think it's clear what the intent is
that's not my concern my concern is
getting you to the point where you can
get constructable
um approvable drawings by the building
inspector okay yeah
like that
I'm trying to find more contextual
photos
of where this is actually you know
photos of where this is actually
adapting
so if you look those three arcs right
there yep um those are French doors it's
going to go over that so you can
basically walk out from the family room
on this one into the covered porch area
and right down there yeah yeah exactly
that mock-up is there to the left above
you well that top photo is a actual
Photoshop mock-up of the new roof
attached to the existing building it's
kind of wedged in there
can you roll over yeah that that is not
part of the existing house that's the
new yeah this is the one that I was like
the last time we like you could take
that out oh I
there's a there's an aerial view that
shows that and without that photo yeah I
think I took it I mean I took it but
our little drone in my drone
it's confusing
all right strong oh shoot sorry
you have more comments Mr Scott or no no
okay sorry
um Jocelyn did you want to go next you
were sure ask me some questions
um
so yeah you guys gotta like the drawings
have got to get to a point where like we
can understand how it's connecting to
the uh flat roofed area
um it's not almost it's like after like
some of your pictures just have it out
of you know view like this one right
here like we're sort of seeing where it
connects but not
um I I don't have an issue with the fact
that you want to put this there I think
it'll be very nice
um but how that pitched roof comes into
where that flat wall is and your flat
roof how it's connecting where you have
a bump out in your wall
um it's just it's hard to understand
um I understand you can tell that you
want to do stone and then you want to
mimic the brickwork that I see
uh now it's not the arched brickwork
it's the brickwork that I see around
like if you were well like any of those
windows right to the left of the hand
yeah mimics the brickwork if you look at
the existing porch right there a little
bit peeking out
yeah it's just there's no arches or
stone columns in between
um and and that's fine I you know I
think that's going to look fine but um
you have stucco on that flat piece and
so how that stone and that stucco
integrates like you know or meets each
other you know that needs to be looked
at and detailed
um we need to see elevations where
you're looking at that
well literally right here and we can see
you know you've got the chimney there
you've got your stucco and then you know
you would have the elevation of your new
chimney because I think that in plan
uh is where the next chimney is coming
right with your opening yeah so it's
just I mean I have no problem with the
concept of this
it's just very hard to understand like
what you were trying like what it's
going to officially look like and how
it's going to integrate with your stucco
and that flat roof and and all that this
is what it's going to look like right so
this there's there's a photo of the
existing yeah
instead but no arches no arches or stone
but I mean or like no arches or stone
column in between I you know I get like
I like that it's Stone I like the
brickwork around the openings I think
the Cheney the new chimney needs to have
some more is it Stone as well or what is
it going to be yeah Stone okay so then
the stone chimney that you have on the
other side of the house and that picture
there's like a picture where I saw the
stone chimney down the way
on the other side of the house like you
need to look at what's going on there
and maybe probably mimic some of that
stuff
so I you know I don't know it I don't
have a problem with the concept I don't
have a problem with the materials I just
the drawings need help okay
it's too high
I guess I my question to you is why on
the stucco side of the house would you
want to do the stone
because the back side you know all this
backside stuff is beautiful stucco
with the Arches or the transoms of the
three doors
and I just think that the stone is going
to roll over like you just stuck it on
to the building it doesn't look it's not
going to look natural with
the what's happening around it I'm not
looking at the existing photos and
there's so much stuff you know stucco
with that brown window trim and brown
like lentils
it's it's kind of a different it's a
different look than the stone and the
red brick or the stone and the Reds that
red stone or is it red brick brick you
know it just it's a very different look
and because you're not doing the Arches
to me aesthetically it makes more sense
to
do something in Stucco that can have
those big open stands because you're
going to create this Stone that's going
across a huge span and it's going to
feel like what's supporting all of that
it's glued to the beam that's above it
it doesn't feel natural you see okay
you're going to be looking up at a Gwen
why did I decide to do stone that looks
like it's somehow like Defying Gravity
whereas if you do stucco it's more what
we call plastic material where it
doesn't matter what how far it spans
there's no sense of like a stone or a
brick that could fall on you it's just
it's just a clean sort of natural
um putty material but I think yeah I
mean I'm just being honest I just don't
see how the stone work is going to do
anything but draw attention
beautiful details that you have on the
stone of the rest of the house because
it's a different animal it's not doing
it you're saying that it's going to
mimic the same idea on your other side
but it's really not it's really doing
something different even though it might
be the same shape you might want to use
it similarly
you see that the existing one has these
beautiful Romanesque columns with these
arches that are being supported by the
columns and so there's a restfulness to
it you really get the sense that
uh
you know it's an integrated design but
this this new thing wants to be wide
open and you want to treat it more like
a poolside Cabana or something where you
know you have great views and it's just
more open and I don't think that the
stone and the brick lend themselves to
that field at all okay
so that's I would like to see you you
know look at it again and I would ask
that you maybe you know hire somebody
who can just do a beautiful rendering
for you just just a beautiful rendering
there's lots of people
um or a lot there's a number of
companies in Columbus that will do that
for you even if there's no architect
involved it's just a builder there are
there are people that will just do a
rendering and you could have that and
bring that to the board meeting you know
to show us how it really does integrate
with the rest of structure because
there's so much information here and you
have to understand that when we say we
are oh my gosh I didn't have my
microphone on sorry about that
but when when we look at these you know
and we see that
um you know it says everything's going
to match existing right but the images
don't really tell me that
and the IM and and so
it's important for us
to have a record of the real thing
and so the computer graphic 3D images
are not really representation of the
real thing
so somebody you know you could build
this and those details would look more
like the computer rendering than they
would the real house and you could say
well you you let us you approve this
well I didn't approve that detail that I
see in the computer rendering well yes
you did
because that's what we presented to you
well no no we thought you were going to
be matching the existing details but
they don't really match the existing
details not we don't we don't know
exactly how that's going to work
um so we need we need something that's
more of a drawing that's really shows
more accurately What's Happening Here
so I'm saying two things one is I don't
think the brick and the stone is
appropriate for this part of the house
or for this kind of structure with big
openings and secondly I need to see a
rendering that really shows how this
attaches and how the details really work
before I can
um vote for it I do appreciate what
you're doing and I I love you know I
love it when we see these kind of big
Cabana you know outside spaces
um so I mean I want to be encouraging
too I just feel very strongly about
wanting to see these things okay
sorry but sorry my mic wasn't on I hope
it got caught on the recording I think
you're loud enough
I I I'm I'm with the rest of the group I
don't understand how the corner of the
roof of this hits the corner
of the exacting house the existing house
like how are those two roofs hitting are
you gonna have to cut one out in order
so it doesn't miss the one roof's Tire
in the roof's in between the flat and
that roof there it needs to come imagine
that's a little parapet wall above the
arched Windows right that's what I
thought and it says on the one row of
line that's suppose on post structure
flush with the top of flattering bald
head that that edge where it slows down
that part went there okay I used to have
a question for you who's going to build
this for you
like don't you need like real drawings
to give to somebody so that they can dig
the Footers and yeah build the structure
well it's my understanding that
um the people who work for us are going
to be building it
so
it's pretty typical that you need
drawings to build by and so you're going
to need to show us especially for a city
permit you need to show how deep are you
digging a footer right you know all that
stuff where is that roof line hitting
you have to show that to get a building
permit and so typically those are the
drawings that people bring to us right
that we and it doesn't have to have
everything in it but we need to
understand how the new thing is meeting
the old thing and none of this does that
to me there's a lot of conflict of how
one roof line hits the other and whether
it's above it and even in your drawings
it gets really blurry where you have all
those things coming together and okay so
I think as a as a board we're very
reluctant to
um you know to approve it because there
there could be a lot of problems with
with what's happening there so okay
I think you need like
someone to really draw how it is being
built which means they need to come out
and take exact measurements of what's on
site look at how you know how far that
parapet wall comes up above that flat
roof figure out where that new roof line
is coming in think about when the snow
comes off of that part of the roof and
it all lands on the flat roof you know
like can that flat roof support all the
extra weight coming up off of another
roof line it's just okay a lot to
consider so I I think you need real
drawings all right
um are you putting a new floor
underneath it or are you just going over
the existing stone patio over the
existing okay but aren't you showing
like a kitchen and stuff in there no
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that fireplace is same elevation as the
existing fireplace here right saying
this is it's facing this direction yes
yeah it's the same side as that one yes
you have precedent for you have a flat
roof to the left chimney and you're
building a cabana attached to that
structure yeah to the right with then a
gable roof right yeah
pipped roof no it's hipped
yeah it seems not appropriate well but
they're drawing a hip roof and so yeah
you're exactly right if you go back to
that like that flat roof almost wants to
look like a connector link to the next
thing that you're doing so the way that
it attaches it it just has to look right
like you can't because it makes sense to
just make that a flat roof like a
outdoor Terrace Maybe
the chimney you have a precedent for the
chimney just copying that chimney yeah
yeah and I'm not opposed I would have a
suggestion either but looking at it
again from the side I I it doesn't mean
that the roof is actually flat no it'd
be hidden by a parapet yes it sits down
right but in your drawing you have a
roof that's
between your top of it but you even have
the line of that right above the arch
Windows you can pull that mass out
and then
your roof could slope to the cut then
basically the Scupper system you're
already having right it's tying those
two together yeah yeah I think
you're just extruding your you're just
out of out of that you just be extruding
your new how to design it Cabana I would
consider that as an option
because I think is that right here well
it wouldn't be a flat roof no slopes um
it would be sloped but it wouldn't be
the Slate as beautiful and Charming as
you're existing and I know why you would
want to copy that Arch that's beautiful
the idea is to make it look like that's
not an addition so the more we can mimic
exactly what's on the other side so I
would like arches kind of made some
notes I think we could mimic more of
what's on the existing porch because the
whole idea is that it would just look
like it was essentially original
true but I think that as Mr higher said
you have this stucco portion of the
existing house that's you know looks
like it might have been added on at some
point it was yeah so but you're you're
putting an addition on to that ah see so
then what you want to do is if you make
it you make it look like I mean you have
a you have a connecting piece that would
take you to the existing stucco and you
do the stone like you want but it has to
have like it looks like it was brought
in and set down right next to your old
stucco building and then there's a like
a piece that connects to the roof would
be to the roof a hipster would be
appropriate because yeah the hip droop
if you had a connector piece separate it
a little bit right because if it looks
like it's just stuck to the stucco then
it's going to look like uh somehow the
stucco gave birth to this Stone thing
but if you if you have the stone go all
the way around this Pavilion and then
you have a piece that's over the three
doors that's a stucco extension that's
come coming out I think that's what
Kathy was getting yeah
right
yeah yeah
so to repeat that you're making a
structure that's offset from your
existing house that's just a little one
connecting it with a stuck in a way just
a little bit Yeah way easier connection
okay yes much more functional yeah that
gets too and it gets you what you want
yeah yeah you're not you're not making a
bones about it's an addition but it's
going to be in addition it looks just
like what you want it to look like you
if you stick it on to write a butt the
stucco like you're trying to do it's not
going to fool anyone including
yourselves that it is original right
let's see what I'm saying
so what do I need to look up when you
talk about a connector like if I'm going
to go look at it I don't know that
you're going to find anything exactly I
think you just work with the design
consultant to you know to and and so
it's an architecture
that like Neil or whoever is the
architect isn't here tonight and you
know meeting all right so
it's actually come back full circle too
what you're presenting is a stone
outdoor living room right is is actually
what we want you to do we're suggesting
that that's the right decision we just
want you to pull it off I I don't push
it right up against the stucco pulled
off yeah and then just build a little
connecting roof soften a good ceiling
and roof to kind of separate that
structure and then that'll
architecturally separate that and kind
of allow it to be itself and not be in a
stucco extension it won't look smashed
together right it's going to look like
its own piece that looks like right and
can your architect talk to Karen about
this and well I was the one doing the
drawings
because I was asked to but I'm not an
architect so
so who's actually going to figure out
how big the footer is and all that kind
of stuff well Neil's the one who would
be taking care of all that yeah so Neil
needs to be doing real drawings and
talking to Karen yeah and you'll get it
approved okay I understand I think it's
a great project yeah I mean you have
like I think my favorite house in Bexley
so
she doesn't say that all the time it's
amazing I do think you can get exactly
what you want I I get that I don't think
you have to do stucco but you need to
attach it in a way that isn't yeah that
was just a suggestion and how can I
listen to you said it was November
because we've been I know that we've
been working on this stuff this hearing
was extremely short I remember it okay
um how would I feel was here
and we'll send you a link okay yeah
thank you you can I can do you guys have
hearts yeah but would you like to table
then to the March 9th meeting at this
time
oh
um well should we explain their options
can I confirm that with him before I can
throw it with you guys well it's really
your only choice unless you withdraw
because oh I get it okay okay
so it means we would you would ask for a
tabling we will push you to next month
and if you bring all the details of how
you want to build it then I got you it
can even end up on consent where we
disapprove it before we ever get to the
meeting so okay we need real drawings I
got you okay it is
okay so will somebody um please ask for
a table table to the merch ninth meeting
yes please so moved Cross Key
second higher
uh Mr Scott yes Mr higher yes Miss
croskey yes Madam attorney yes okay
thank you thank you see you next month
um Cheryl yeah you would share your my
information with your yes yes that's
fine okay okay
the next application number ARB 22-65
the address is 110 South Stanwood at the
applicant is Valerie Hallis the owner is
Nathan render and tal Bender
uh uh the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval of a
certificate of appropriateness for a
two-story addition to the rear of their
house
and Karen will give a little background
yes
so this application was tabled at the
last meeting
um yeah it was pretty good it was the
garage that was tabled or is are we
talking about there was a variance
involved that was for the garage aren't
we talking about the house right now are
we talking about the house or the garage
he said it was tabled we talked about
the house last month correct and we
tabled it to this month oh yes sorry
okay I'm sorry garage would be handed
back as well yeah well let let me yeah
we're your valves first yes okay so we
did this in two applications it's the
same property oh I see so let me back up
and explain it yes we the idea is to
look at the house first which did not
need zoning we split these into two
applications so that the applicant could
go on and move
um to the board of zoning and planning
for the garage which was approved yes
with the condition that it be remanded
back to this board for design review
just so that it matches the house
correct because and the easement issue
yeah but that's like independent of this
board right it's been resolved it's been
perfect yeah
which didn't have anything to do with
this board but this board is seeing the
garage again
um for really just like almost like a
check you know it's like a now I think
it can just be looked at as one project
we can still take two emotions at the
end but we're just one we just want to
make sure that the Aesthetics match the
so let's look at the house first yeah or
all at once it doesn't really matter at
this point but um and Valor can talk
through her decision making process but
you'll see that some of the
um some of the the higher end detail on
the front porch and the back porch has
been
um um redone to better match to make a
holistic
um vocabulary around the house the one
thing that we did talk to and talk about
and Valerie worked hard through but
concluded and she can speak to this as
well well that um
she did not want to do and the
applicants the owner does also not want
to do let me make sure I'm on the right
elevation yes this wall right here there
was a suggestion that it be stepped in
just a little bit to give some relief
but it really does compromise the
interior plan floor plan a lot and they
are going to
um resize the whole house so
um we talked about more of an
opportunity to for Windows or some kind
of other detail to break down the facade
instead of stepping it in because it is
it's very tight inside in the plan
um so here's some pictures just by the
way a reminder of what it currently
looks like we had some pretty
significant discussion
um about this front door yeah we're
gonna and
um it is it has been addressed in this
plan
um
I'm looking for the elevations oh yeah I
think if you go to sheet 803 which I
don't remember what number that is
um the renderings side by side I think
might be super helpful to start with
that in this packet as well
yeah this is an old drawing actually
let's see
um oh yeah that is January 9th okay so
there's a sheet that the image that
looks like there which I have old and
new
I think that's probably the easiest
thing to look at yeah
compare and contrast with the changes
have been and then I must be have a list
of what updates I have under the the new
section okay hopefully this is it
there we go
yeah that's that's yeah thank you okay
so these are on the left hand side are
what was brought before us in um January
and these are the new designs
proposed designs now correct you can you
I'm gonna hand it to you to talk through
anything else that I made yeah I have
left out
um so we have
um more
um you know several things
um we've looked at the detailing around
the windows
um
um and added a sill
um uh more detailed casing with also
um kind of like a crown at the top
um we've also
um carried that around on all facades
and kept that Crown detail that you see
on the front windows then
um on the doors on the
um the north side the rear as well as on
the garage
um you'll see also see that we've um
updated the um surround around the front
door to have
um pilasters as well as more of an
articulation with the crown and then
you'll see that that banding is then the
same height that goes around the um
screened porch
with kind of the
gutter emulating the crown at that point
anything else
all right really we just simplified the
materiality and increase the detail
around the
um the doors and windows okay
is there a board member or is there
anyone in the audience that would like
to speak about this application
is there a board member that would like
to go first
uh I'll go first
thank you for the updates yeah
I think it's improved
um to be honest I'm just not a fan of
this aesthetic uh the vinyl bat board
and Baton to me I I just think in 15
years it's gonna look it's not gonna
look right and it's going to look cheap
um I understand that it can always be
recited right so I'm kind of trying to
pay attention to the massing of the
building more than a lot of the some of
these vinyl details
what is the Attic Window on the south
side is that just a big piece of glass
um it's yeah it's a casement it's
existing
um does it have any light pattern in it
no really it's existing yeah so on both
sides it's just encasement window that
um
with no light detailing so I think the
thing
okay we would have um um obviously like
if they could redo all of the windows in
their house they would do it different
they don't really like the lights they
want like the two over two lights
correct but it's not in the budget but
um so that would have been ideal for
them to do
so your model views
I mean Just for future reference the the
model views to me they don't help you
I think they they wind up looking
plastic and we know vinyl is plastic but
the model views to me just they're not
pleasing and I think it's because I'm
looking at it thinking this house is
going to look plastic when it's finished
like the Jack Arch they look like Jack
arches over the second floor Windows is
that are those made out of plastic too I
just it to me the the model views I mean
I think I'm smarter enough to know where
you're going with this but at the same
time I just don't think they help you
because you know I don't know that those
aren't gonna I mean I'm looking at your
cat elevations and I see a more detailed
Crown which looks nice
but I think the model views the limited
time you know is not helpful uh the
final result is not helpful for a more
detailed aesthetic for what you're
trying to do here
in general I support the massing and I
support the details but I just I'm sad
that it's going to be plastic you know
I'd like to see real
you know enduring materials especially
for like the front surround is that
going to be plastic too it's going to be
shiny plastic no
no I mean I mean when we talk about
vinyl being I mean you can buy these
things they're like fiberglass you can
stick them on your house
um how about the freeze and the cornice
over the the family or the the bay is
that gonna what material is that I'm
sorry can you repeat next to the front
door the the big freeze that's over the
um the porch
um what is that material yeah we're
still getting the pricing for that
definitively
yeah I mean what were you initially
thinking cement board yeah we wanted
cement trim that you just build up and
paint exactly
nobody nobody knows how to cut cement
board properly anymore I I hate to say
it but you can have the best contractor
and cement board still has to be cocked
and the falls apart and then you
see all the bad cuts
I mean I don't mean to be a Debbie
Downer but I mean you have to put you
know materials that these Builders can
really
you know make look substantial and and
look clean so I I'm just in general I'm
in favor of it I think the chimney does
break up that side that that side
elevation enough that I'm okay with the
the flushness of the addition if that
chimney wasn't there and it was just one
big vinyl thing going down I would I'd
probably not vote for this because
that's a real that to me that's a really
strong our design guidelines show that
any additions need to be offset
so to let this go the only reason why I
think it can be let go is because you
have a chimney that helps to break up
that long run if that chimney wasn't
there I would say no no way
um but I'm just sad that the materials
are going to feel cheap
that's all I have
strawski
um
I think it's definitely gotten better uh
I uh I think I you know I felt like it
was a little discombobulated last time I
think that was the word I used and I
feel like it's more cohesive now so
that's good
um uh and uh between the main house and
the garage you know it's feeling
cohesive uh you know this is a again
it's a personal opinion I know he shared
a personal opinion I also don't like the
board and Baton like that vertical look
it makes me think of this really old
material from like the 70s
um that was like a wood product and uh
but you know that's that's me that's not
the owner and if that's their aesthetic
aesthetic then you know so be it
um
so I think I think it's gotten a lot
better
um and a lot more cohesive
and I just want to add that Valerie did
send me
um some sketches earlier early in the
month I don't know in between it showed
I'm showing the garage just for but it's
in every Gable end of cedar
and I thought it and you thought I was
considered to this and we okay we can
talk about that but the cedar
um vinyl shakes yeah makes it look so
flat oh does it okay the board back so I
thought getting some verticality on
on all of these pieces would feel way
better than using and I also think you
know look I I don't think it's ever been
a secret I am not I'm not a fan of vinyl
and I wish we had a moratorium on it but
we don't yeah so I don't really know
what to do there's nothing I can do
about that but
um having said that cedar
shaped vinyl looks way more fake and
plasticky than important battens vinyl
yeah you know that's why that's why it's
just was yeah that's fine and it's uh
again like that's why I said it was a
personal opinion it's not like there's
no condition on it it's just you know I
completely understand and it's not yeah
completely my choice either but um yeah
but I it's it's much more cohesive uh I
mean I think it would be nice if yeah
you could get
um instead of like at the porch you know
it being like vinyl trim or anything
like let's stay away from that that
would be great if you can stay away from
that for certain areas of the house that
would be great but I understand yeah
you're working with a budget so uh it's
much more cohesive so I'm I'm fine
Mr Scott
uh form wise I think it's uh quite
successful but your form hasn't really
changed that much
um so
um I know you've looks like you've
pulled out some of the higher end
material uh that kind of was it nichiha
yeah yeah so that's fine I I love that
you kind of celebrated the front door a
little bit I think obviously the details
are going to be critical uh
two things one I'm not a huge fan of the
white trim
okay you frame the house out in like the
white bright white trim I would rather
allow that to be either much closer to
the overall color you can you can do a
little bit of contrast but having that
bright white as a corner is this is not
appropriate
um in my mind and I think it starts to
stand you're framing out the boxes of
the massing which
it makes it a little uncomfortable for
me there are elements that you can
lighten up if you want you obviously you
have your windows and then there's the
trim around the windows is a little is a
Play Between the siding color and the
window to kind of soften that transition
uh
I wouldn't recommend matching the siding
color because you have the hot window
frame so I understand that I know
there's other alternate colors but
you're not replacing all of the windows
so you're trying to blend that so I
would suggest looking at alternate
downspout and Corner colors for your
siding if it doesn't match exactly I'm
okay with the board and bat and I'm not
a fan of board and bad and vinyl it's
high up so it's that that's less
offensive because it's not at the grade
but um board and batten is fine I think
just the vinyl aspect of it
um and then if you could go to this View
rear view of the main Edition
it might be a modeling issue if you just
zoom into the house
your soffit that your your Eve and
soffit there seems to be really deep in
the model
compared to even the cad and then
especially the existing house this is
really adamant yeah I think it's just
the angle
um it's drawn that way in the elevation
too it's a little less deep so I think I
don't know if this is a Revit model or a
SketchUp and Cat I don't know how you
draw an architect but I would that's not
I don't that's not going to work I
wouldn't be able to approve that because
I think you're pulling out and changing
the proportion of that roof compared to
the rest of the roofs of the property so
I think you want to make sure you're not
going past what the farthest one that
you have that's on the existing building
can I make an interjection here on that
same elevation or that same model view
are the are the windows at the
um is it the East End are those actually
higher than the windows that are
adjacent
they're all the same height okay but in
that view they're actually up higher
they're higher and same with the ground
floor
but they're all going to be at the same
height the same head height yes oh
that's on record double check that
obviously you're gonna want that right
you don't want the window headers going
to be different yeah
no we're replacing it oh we talked about
that last yeah we talked about that last
time the documentation is crumbling
obviously they would love to keep it
um and then you can use them into the
column on the rendering in the back
yeah see that's strong oh yeah
that's weird I'll move back to
renderings about it please zoom into the
back rear elevation uh Edition column
so that one or the one above it might be
a little better next image up
so you just have some details at the
base of the column and the
hold on
that I think
could be simplified
unless I don't know if you're purchasing
that product or if it's just a wood post
that you're putting additional yeah we
were just going to you know you can't be
built out I would just keep it simpler
and not kind of do two ornaments too
much ornamentation on the base of that
column or the even at the top I think it
could be nice and clean and we don't
want a box
uh right we don't want to box that out
but I think
um how that column sits on that stone
and the cap is going to be pretty
important do you have is there stone at
the front of the house is that right so
you're pulling a piece of stone just for
that there but the base the foundation
of the house is in stone no it's um
it's concrete so you know I I apparently
it has stucco on it the whole way you
look at the existing I guess I'm I'm not
totally sold that that little wall at
the rear exit door entry door
um has to be Stone I know you're pulling
some of that front end but it's going to
spit out as a little bit of anomaly
there I think it could be comfortable
um well
did you say the foundation was stucco or
is it no it's concrete okay block
there's stucco like on it now that goes
the whole way down to
um grade okay so they stuccoed on top of
the concrete you can see it existing and
so but we're removing all the stucco oh
okay so now we're going to paint the
um concrete foundation
but you are is visible I just think it's
a little odd that the stone is there and
not concrete pulled from the front or
anywhere else in the back so maybe you
know I hate to say that maybe it wants
to be painted CME too but with a cap but
I get that you want us here that's a
touch point of the house where you
interact so I just you know I don't have
a strong condition by the way on your
addition there next to your column
you'll see the corner on both the
corners of that Edition uh in the
rendering are matching the color of your
siding
go back to that same rendering
right there zoom in so those Corners are
not white yeah well that's that's what I
understood yeah I know body to it I've
seen that there's much I think it's much
more appropriate yeah I and I just I
think the whites I don't think the white
contrast on even on the whole house I
get the windows uh though you can get
Windows not you can get them an
off-white and tan
um or gray even
um but I know you have other existing
that you're matching but I just think
that the trim is too hot so I would look
at an alternate color for that foreign
but other than that I think it's a great
step forward
and now the front doors got the the
respected it deserves
so thank you
all right I'm last to go um so I
appreciate what you did run the front
door and around the porch I think the
details around there feel much more
appropriate I still am struggling with
the fact that you did not inset the
addition
um even six inches I understand it
messes up your floor plan a little bit
but that to me that long elevation
um is not good
she could actually bring that out there
she can bring what out six inches
instead of insetting it it could be
brought out yeah oh I see what you're
saying
yeah yeah we've seen that done a lot and
it's it works just anything to break up
that wall to me and leave the original
house with that um a roof line as a box
it reads much better and and I don't
understand what's going on with your
overhangs on the Edition they're drawn
larger
um the details at the corners are
different than the details on the
original house and so I'd like to see
all that match a little better
um you know with what it was there
originally on the original house so
okay
I do want to say uh we see all sorts of
different styles of renderings here so
and though I do agree that your The
Silence You presented here tonight uh Mr
higher calling it looks a little
plasticky uh it's very helpful
to see the forms and the massing of the
relationship so uh that was good uh you
know the the overall rendering technique
and and you know the representation of
that we could we could talk about but uh
we definitely appreciate the efforts
that you put into that to present that
so thank you
okay so
um what where are our next steps
um do you want to table this and come
back again next month or do you want us
to vote on it um it's really up to you
um could I get a vote with um any
contingencies or something
so you would like us to go ahead and
vote on it and then take all of these
changes that we're asking for and leave
them back in Karen's
so then we would create a list of all
the things that we'd like to see and
like the offset would be one of them
um and then you would have to work with
Karen to go through all those are you
comfortable caring working together yeah
I mean but I you know list I I do you
know yeah but I I reserve the right to
have it come back here if we can
yeah so if she doesn't get comfortable
with it then she just tells you have to
come back I really understand okay and
then if she does that is that a new
application or does it just get no no it
would just come back here for okay for
final
okay
is the board comfortable with that
yes yes Bill are you comfortable with
that
um
well
with with going to the vote
with conditions with conditions yeah
so you just need to get three or the
four of us to vote for that
um if you get two people to vote no for
that then you're turned down because we
only have
four people here tonight so I just want
to let you know what happens before we
go to the vote so
yeah I mean with a list of contingent
you know
you know conditions
that's what I'm asking for so I can kind
of move okay oh I would like to add
looking at an alternate Globe fixture
in the renderings that you have around
Globe I don't know if that's appropriate
to the style of the house like an
alternate to be looked at
okay so um do I need a list of uh I've
got offset and recommended changes in
file design details
do we doesn't approve what she receives
she you know simply one step back here
but do we need to give her the list well
I have it all but I can read it would
you please read it
um to look at the offset even if it's
outset instead of inset
um to create some kind of a difference
in breaking down that wall
um to look at another fixture other than
the globe I just added that one to look
at the siding and trim contrast so that
the white isn't so white is that how you
said it yeah on the rendering yep
um so to look at some
um more subtle trim board colors
um and corner boards to
re-draw and make sure the windows on the
East up is it East East Elevation it
would be the East Elevation
um are the correct there are the same
height as the ones around the corner
which they're not in either drawing
right now I just I just looked at that
um to clarify
this citing
um
the the depth how big the site I mean I
can't really tell from the
oh the height of the sighting yeah like
all those details to to make sure that
they're all labeled on the drawing I'd
want to see like you know this is a four
inch lap this is a six inch lap whatever
it is yeah I have it I think I've
uploaded the okay because
type to the website but I can label all
of that
um
to specify the materials of the front
door surround
and the cornice piece on the porch
um
eaves on the did you read the eaves on
the Traditions yeah and that also just
these and the windows they're just not
proportioned correctly on the drones
yeah and I think it just it also needs
to match the eaves that are on the
garage because can I ask why you
wouldn't want to table it for next month
with all these changes
well I'm hoping that I can kind of move
forward with the project
um so I know I have to review it with
um but that's like a whole month and I'm
hoping that I can update so then I could
review it with um Karen that'd be where
he's only 28 days you know it's not that
long till the next review no I
understand that yeah I mean I don't I
don't care either way just to be clear
on record I would just say to you
Valerie that
um I I've been doing this for 23 years
and the likelihood of you actually
producing the drawings and having it
turned around is the same timing it's
not going to be any different
but I I could care I don't care I'm
comfortable I've worked with Valerie now
she really does
apply all the suggestions that we always
give so I it's up to eat the board I
mean to me there's enough going on with
these changes
that I mean it would be nice if we saw
this again we would ask other applicants
to do that or you know request that that
be the case
um because honestly those changes you
know could affect my vote
I mean if we if I saw those changes
oh
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um
well then I guess I'll table it
it doesn't change the fact that you and
I work together on the same timetable
right and it can it could very easily if
if we'd have enough back and forth it
could be a consent agenda item next
month
which is only
three weeks away four three and a half
weeks one yeah
processary
it's not going to slow you down I'm not
going to do that
it's not that much risk yeah yeah
I mean it's just we just have a you know
a list of items that we can yeah
completely I think there were some great
suggestions you know I I would really
like to see those
and put into you know the the design
maybe you could fix your model too the
renders might still look plastic oh come
on
the program but it's a very useful tool
to clients because they can understand
yeah but you should buy chaos so you can
put it into a program doesn't do like
atmospheric like change materials and
I'll have to hire someone to do that is
it in Revit no it's in Chief Architect
okay yeah
I'll just add another person to do all
that there you go
I'll try but
um okay we'll table it I I honestly I
don't think it's I I think you can
represent all these changes that we're
talking about in your elevations yeah
okay I think you're right that the
modeling is a good tool for massing I
think you don't need to take the time to
redo I I just pull a view it doesn't
take up any time but I'm just saying
like you know to upgrade your program
and fire or render yeah I'm not going to
hire I'm I'm as Mr Scott is we're and
other board members we're concerned
about the accuracy
and you know this this whole review
tonight went on longer because we're
seeing inconsistencies between
elevations in the model right so it can
be helpful because we get to see 3D but
it might not be accurate to what you
have actually wanted to show us and so
that makes us a little more apprehensive
in the process but in this particular
case totally agree with you they're also
inconsistent in the elevation right so
it's not right it's not a it's not a
outcome of the tool I understand yeah
they're just yeah I don't think your
timing is going to be any different or
the process because you and I will just
go back and forth with drawings and and
you know if you you work
hard and fast you could be a consent
agenda item next month probably yeah
okay okay
it's more kind of issues on the second
floor but yeah
okay are you requesting a table then
to the March 19th meeting March 9th yes
so moved
seconded
remote
hurt yes
yep
yes
thank you we will see you back here next
month and then um I'm seeing that you
are also the next item for the
um garage but I feel like we kind of
wrap those in together so do we need to
we can officially just table it with it
yeah I would like to comment on it so
she knows because there's updates right
I think they're you might like to be
able to get
yeah keep them separate because I
unfortunately Madam chair have to recuse
myself okay I have to leave
all right thank you thanks
um so just so that you know now what
three board members you just need two
for approval on something and
um you can get one no and still be
passed okay okay so that's clear okay
the next application number bzap 22-47
110 South Stanwood the applicant is
Valerie Halas the owner is Nathan render
and tile Bender the applicant is Seeking
a recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for Architectural Review
and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for the demolition of
the existing garage and a proposed new
garage
okay so Karen I'll give us just a quick
update as to the changes in the garage
application
um well
it just went to zoning and it said and
that's it and it got approved with the
remain back to us to
um
to give it design review and certificate
of appropriateness
and so all variances were approved is
that she actually pulled it was on the
property line so it was reduced to one
variance the other that was from the
easement and it was conditioned upon the
service director
and verifying that it would not
interfere with city services which that
has also occurred if we've heard that
yeah I mean just by way of background
this was a very unusual zoning thing it
was about an easement and it really
shouldn't have any effect on the design
discussion at all it was really just
about a service easement and that was
um the reason it's coming back here is
that we just wanted to make sure that
easement could happen before we did
design critique last time so now she's
here for design critique okay
okay you want to just give any more
explanation on the garage or do you want
to just go to it's pretty
straightforward okay all right Mr Scott
I'm gonna go to you first because you
said you wanted to talk about it so here
we go uh I think it's great thank you no
I I I I like it I think you have you
know a door and some nice Windows uh the
garage doors are nice
um I think the scale of it of course all
of the same color things that I talked
about in the for the house will apply to
this
um but the proportion the overhangs look
a little pulled in here so uh as long as
they continue to match um
I think your board in Baton is going to
be lower here so consider that if you
really want to see that because it's the
important baton vinyl doesn't hold up as
like cement boards so it's a little it's
like pushed back it is so just something
that could never that's I'm fine with it
because it's going to match the house
um we'd love to see something else but
um
and based on how this garage sits on the
site you know putting a side window in
uh on the I guess the north side it
doesn't make sense
um because it's just kind of it
in the scale of the garage I don't think
it's necessary so I I just want to make
sure we got it on record we talked about
it and I have no other comments thank
you
no comments I think it's fine
um I too think it's fine thank you for
pulling it off of the uh lot line
um so that you didn't need to need a uh
variance for that so the three feet off
the lot line is great
um
yeah so I'm okay are we do you want to
just vote on the garage then separate so
you can get going on there that would be
great yeah is there anyone in the
audience that would like to speak about
the garage
I like it to add a condition to the
approval then yeah no I think yeah that
if any um significant aesthetic on the
house changes in its development that
it'd be carried through to the garage
right sure
the line yeah that's the only reason I
immediately jumped to tabling because I
know they need to match so as long as we
know that okay well they're separate
applications yeah zone is approved it as
long as it matches the new style of the
house
okay is there a board member do you need
findings effect on that please
the findings of that and decision of the
board for application number
bcap-22-47 for broadly located at 110
South Stanwood the architecture review
board finds that proposed new detached
garage where they can replace the old
detached garage it's architecture
compatible with business and structure
and further approves a certificate of
reportedness with the condition that it
should match any significant changes to
the house
do you understand the findings effects
as they have been read I do
awesome is there a board member that
will make an emotion so moved crosskey
Scott
yes
okay so you are approved on the garage
okay next application
vzap22-51 the address is 381 South
Drexel the applicant is Valerie Hallis
I'm
fine
still here the owner is Sarah luck the
applicant is Seeking a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning for
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness to
demolish the existing garage and build a
new garage okay so this one was an
add-on that
same kind of situation where it was
approved at bzap and
um it didn't need to be noticed or
anything but it did get remanded back
here for final design review
um by way of a reminder not that
variances are the issue at hand here but
it was a it was a design issue and then
it was so close to the law line so
Valerie has moved it the only thing that
um was still at bzap4 again not relevant
to the design discussion was the area
variants
um but in terms of architecture I think
it looks absolutely fine but it was
remanded to
um back here for design review I think
the fact that you've inset one of the
garages really breaks down the math and
it works fine so that's my staff report
I can bring it up
all right is there a board member that
would like to go first
Mr Scott
I think all the moves are great uh I
don't uh I think you know the addition
of the window and breaking up the mess
works really well I think the roof lines
and the proportions work well
full support
okay so evidently the drawings I'm
pulling up are not this is the best
current yeah so we have a window on the
end and we have a window by the door
there's a window on the east and west
facade and then the South there's a
setback on the North and South
no
okay
you're good good Mr kraske
looks fine
yeah I I okay I have a question so do we
have we have a fence line going along
that South elevation correct correct
because I think we had asked for Windows
in that elevation because it was so big
the last time right yeah
um so looking at it it does face offense
um
you know talking to my clients even if
they're neighbors I may I think they own
the fence if they take it down they're
just going to put another fence up
um and currently the fence is probably
has another 10 years so they don't
really you know they really would rather
have space for storage since we have
those other two windows on the
um East and West facades gotcha
um and this is vinyl siding yeah oh no
it's a medboard it's a medboard okay
all right
I don't have anything then do I
oh
yeah okay are we okay we're just looking
for an application yeah it's on my staff
report but I have to find myself
yeah it's on the stock report
okay sorry application 2268
yes did you hear that Kathy
oh no wait I'm sorry
no the application
um these app 22-51 is the application
for this yeah yes these app 22-51
foreign
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do you understand the findings of X as
they are written I do okay
remote
motion Scott
seconded Cross Key
yes
okay
you are approved thank you very much
thank you thank you all see you next
month thanks Valerie
I'll be here next month okay our last
application for the night is ARB 22-68
the address is 2425 Sherwood the
applicant is Andrew Calhoun
the owner is Parker McDonald
the applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for the demolition of an
existing home and detached garage
construction of a new home and attached
garage in approximately the same
footprint as existing
okay Darren will give us a little bit of
background okay this application was
before us in January
and um the demolition was kind of a very
I mean all the materials that were
needed were that were there and
submitted and discussed it was a short
discussion because there was complete
consensus about the demo so I don't
believe we need to revisit that at all
um in fact the proposed new structure
was very well received with some
requests that it
um some of the details Beary looked at
uh like the trim color being the bright
white and making it more of a natural
color
um some gutter-ish some gutter size
issues
I I'm trying to remember off the top of
my head more but I'm gonna let you talk
about it and I will um bring up
there's a lot of packets here so I just
need to find the best this is the chance
it's okay we'll swear you in
2016. Andrew Calhoun there it is
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let me just briefly go through the
changes that you made
uh and so uh as Karen said last month
generally positive but I think with the
demolition of existing home I think
there was a desire to have a little bit
of higher
um
level of just detail and thoughtfulness
given to some of the um aspects of the
home uh specifically one was the
shingles uh in the roof the kind of
dominance of the roof plane so say one
of the most significant changes has been
changing the shingle profile and the
color and also adding a small Gable on
the
um Cassidy side that actually brings
light into the stairwell but it helps
break up and changes some of the
um what was perceived as the lightness
and kind of the dominance of that roof
another significant change was switching
from a cultured stone to a natural an
actual Limestone I think that a comment
was made that there's uh
we like the form we like that the
overall design but it's in the execution
of those details having those higher
quality materials I think
um is one of the things I took away and
the other thing from the from last
meeting was just the gutters weren't as
part of the renderings of the modeling
so
um worked with the owner and we really
really love copper gutters we'd like to
do copper gutters and that became
um I think a kind of nice uh accent from
um you know if we're gonna do the
asphalt shingles as opposed to slate I
think having the copper gutters and then
a copper roof Ridge a roof vent really
highlights and frames that I think in a
really successful way if you go down to
the other renderings also
um I showed how there's there should be
one more page the next page it's just
showing how the the whoops Hopper would
patina over time
I think that talking with the owner he
was just very
um
he recognized the kind of prominent
location of this home and really wanted
wants it to be something that is uh
Timeless in in
you know worth investing in the higher
quality of materials so uh trying to see
if there are any other changes
that side of the house you could see I
guess the Gable on the on the upper roof
over the stair
um it just breaks up that kind of the
the length of that roof I think that
works oh another comment from last time
was it uh there was some discussion
about how to maybe emphasize the
Craftsman nature of it so there's a
there's a whole other page of developed
details of how we're gonna use uh
concealed hangers so we're not gonna
it's not gonna feel like heavy kind of
Warehouse steel
um
rough connections the connections will
be hidden uh so in really emphasizing
that and then the decision was made to
go and expose the rafter Tails as that's
just a very common Craftsman uh
expression so those were the big changes
um and we're uh excited about where we
are oh hi excuse me
thank you very much
their board member that would like to go
first I can go first
so uh it was great was I was flipping
back and forth between the previous and
the one now and
um I think you know on the I think it's
the Cassidy side yeah where uh you
integrated the you know the Gable over
at the stair that you were talking about
and then
I mean even just like the fact that
you're using a darker shingle uh the way
that you've integrated your you know the
gutters and the fact that there'll be
copper and then patina over time
um like I can tell like this isn't I
know I was uh a little rough on my
opinion of I didn't think it felt very
Craftsman and I I am feeling it now like
it's it's looking very good uh I really
appreciate the fact that you have
decided to go with a natural limestone
yes
so that's that's great too I think that
was a great move so
um I think it's going to be a very I I I
I love that it's you know going to be a
nice house I I was all for like what was
being designed in terms of like the
house itself and the plan and all that
and uh I think you're you've got it
there for the exterior too now so it was
it's great to see thank you
Mr Scott
uh yes
thank you
uh
right I mean so we said on this side of
the table and we asked for a real Stone
we asked for you know interesting
details because we know that there's a
in the history in the time frame when
houses were built actually 100 years ago
when those things were standard right
we understand it's not the same today
and or there's price points that just
make it unrealistic so
um it's not even refreshing it's it's
just great to see that somebody is
willing to take that investment and put
it into our neighborhood
I I'll be a very unique style to put on
Cassidy great love it because we do have
that in Bexley and we don't dictate
style we do take we try to push for
Quality so
um and I love the style so I'm it falls
right into you know things that I like
and look and look for it and I really
appreciate the real Stone really
appreciate
um the material palette that you're
pulling from I love that it's a little
more toned down uh the contrast a little
bit darker roof settles the down love
the little uh moment in the roof
breaking up that long line it brings
some light into the stairs which they
will love uh the owner will love having
so you know you've done All the Right
Moves and you know the icing on all of
this nice cake is you're putting Copper
Ridge vents in right who puts Copper
Ridge fence in I just it's so my only
question is do you have valleys I was
trying to see if you had a ballot are
you doing copper valleys there's no
valleys right there there are very very
small Valley days which I wouldn't
expect copper we're not location because
you can't see those just where those
little um Dormer over the right here
maybe some copper flashing out that the
chimney it's so subtle I think we can
just do it with the shingle
um yeah no the smaller roofs I would
never yeah I'm not the fact that you're
doing it at all is just so unique uh and
we'll actually at First we'll be like
whoa what are they doing what but after
that patinas it'll be so subtly
beautiful that uh people will know what
they're looking at so I think it's
really uh it's fantastic to see that so
you know sure we could talk in about
small details and bolting and how you
connect the connections but the level of
quality that you're bringing into this
presentation and what you've done
um it's really hard to to pick at any of
this so I think overall I see no moves
that you've done that uh need to be
looked at or revised I think it's all
balancing out really quite well uh and I
do live down the street from this
property so I'm going to be watching
this one move forward
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looks like it's level with the ground
but should we have kind of a condition
in here that indicates
you know how far off interesting grade
that would be
well building code will have it raised
up eight inches uh the front door might
be you know depending on your front
porch how the elevation of that but we
should definitely put something on the
record because we don't want this
one or I mean it's not there is not an
existence we don't want this is to stick
out of the ground three feet
So based on this drawing your porch
would you say that overall height is how
many inches off existing grade
so going back to kind of the Genesis of
this project
the owner
started off wanting to make the existing
home accessible that was part of the
what drove him to want to look at
renovating that the house and that
proved there's an existing wheelchair
lift if you remember that's kind of
stuck on the back of that so our intent
is to lower the existing floor
level to as close to grade as code will
allow so that it can be wheelchair
accessible without
ramps right yeah we're so so
uh I appreciate you seeing that and
recognizing ah that is low intentionally
as an accessible
um making the home accessible
it's good that's first yeah yeah
yeah
grades are so we'll know that yes that's
going to be going under this building no
basement no basement interesting um
that's going to be something you make
sure when you do your next step in
drawings yeah you have a very clear for
the city to see because they're going to
want to yes it's a hot topic for us so
at least know what the existing grade is
existing grade and even a relationship
to curb type of elevations
I mean that would go a long way
typically the worry is
is because
these new houses are so huge with huge
very high Ridge lines so I don't really
have a concern here no doubt but the
issues that he's if that information's
in his construction drawings yeah we
review that sometimes on this I see it
flat here so I'm not worried about it
especially now that you said you're
going to try to lower that down
um the only concern that is is it going
down next to a next door that's three
feet higher but I don't think that's the
case of that location it's going to drop
a little but no it actually the existing
home is only single story so this the
overall mass of this house is higher
because it's it's uh it's a single story
but it's it has a another story yeah
okay it's one of the only singing
stories on
uh sure what true answers it's
interesting yeah
anything else
well that technically was her comment oh
anything else Kathy
she said like four tonight right
uh okay um
love the copper gutters thank you so
much
um although if you get them to turn
green I think that'll be a miracle
because everyone in Bexley they just go
straight brown but I think it goes
beautiful with what you're doing so I
love it
um I I think it's amazing the changes
you made I think are all great
um I'm all for what you're doing but I
will so I think your kitchen is Tiny
and that's not for this board to review
but I just want your client to know that
is a tiny kitchen uh
I agree and the client is you can't be
with us tonight he's currently in
um
somewhere warmer
he was he's okay with that as a
um
a single male and his older
age he's this is what he wanted so
that's fine I just I I can I just wanted
it on the record just it's all good he's
going to spend it on the outside be okay
with doordash he sounds great he's gonna
have a microwave
okay are we um
are you do you want us to vote on this
okay and just so again you need to get
two out of three because we have so few
people here tonight
so uh I needed to hear the findings
effect right
before 25 Sherwood Road architecture
review board finds that the newspaper
then we dwelling
eyes architecturally compatible with the
neighborhood and
well a through a certificate of a
Brokenness that the following conditions
that the first floor elevation be
determined
from existing grade
so that we can
change that a landscape plan has to be
submitted to the tree public garden
commission and their trees can be
removed until that landscape was
approved and no Demolition and occur
until we have an improved construction
documents
you understand the findings of facts as
they've been read I do okay
is there a board member that will make a
motion so moved Cross Key
second Scott
and Kathy can call a roll
yes
thank you very much for coming back and
thank you working through the details
beautiful
and fantastic
you're honest you're on something here
with your presentation techniques just
in general yeah they're beautiful really
well done well I hope that I can come
back on another project well keep up the
good work I'm sure we'll see you again
we will okay and we have no more new
business or we don't have any new
business we have no more any business
we are adjourned
unless we want to talk about getting a
fire pit right in the middle here
he
is cooler in here than it is outside