welcome to the february 10 2022
architectural review board
for bexley
uh kathy can we call the role
here
uh this part of the meeting is for
public comment so if there's someone in
the audience who would like to speak on
a matter that is not before the board
tonight
um you can speak on it now if you want
to talk about something that is before
the board tonight you need to have
standing and we will discuss it when it
comes through on the agenda so is there
anyone that wants to speak on some other
matter the
public tonight
okay
uh seeing no one
we will go to
the staff report
so we need to so next uh we we're just
doing consent agenda items then right
yeah dude do we have minutes oh no
minutes i got my sister's stuff reported
well i just i've got something i
accidentally started it in before yep
okay we need approval of uh the minutes
from last month
do you have a board member that
will approve it
and you might call the roll
okay so um
yeah i just wanted to introduce you guys
are used to working with jeff sod and
matt is going to be our new
representative for city council welcome
thank you for coming we appreciate it
good for you to see that
yeah
thank you sorry to put you on the spot i
just want everybody to be familiar of
what city council member is now
representing us in the board of zoning
and planning
thank you
okay um let's do consent agenda items
next so um the board has reviewed uh the
following consent agenda items
that um we have given our feedback and
if we had any changes that we requested
they have been made and so these items
will all be voted on in one
vote
so the first consent agenda item is
application number arb 21-58 the address
is 221 ashborn the applicant is carrick
cheryl and the owner is alex marsh
the next application is arb
21-76 the address is 754 euclaire the
applicant is bonnie pyle and the owner
is joseph kyle
next application
number bzap 21-44
280 south columbia uh the applicant is
corey tishkoff and the owner is corey
tishpa
the next application number arb 22-5 the
address is 768 grandin the applicant is
amy lauerhouse and the owner is beth and
michael
mate matas
sorry about that
uh next application is bzap 22-3
address is 755 vern vernon the applicant
is pete foster and the owner is nathan
and rachel lane
do i have a board member that wants to
approve those consent oh wait before i
do that is there anyone in the audience
that would like to speak on
any of those applications
before we vote on them
seeing that is there a board member that
would like to move to approve those
and a second
second
call the roll mr scott yes strausser yes
mr hall yes
yes
okay so the next item on our list then
is um under old business
is application bzap 22-2 the address is
2488 fair
the applicant is aaron mccord the owner
is kevin and dara albert and the
applicant is requesting architectural
review and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for a two-story addition
to the rear of the existing home
karen do you want to give your staff
report yes this application was tabled
at last month's
um with the suggestion that the apple
can go back and have
a look at a different
not necessarily placement of the edition
which seemed fine but the um the massing
the shape the scale it was kind of a
modern little skinny addition on the
back and we asked to please have it
looked at in terms of its connection to
the existing structure matching windows
siding etc um
aaron mccord was here and see him again
here now and you can come on forward and
we'll swear you in a minute um he was
great to work with had a designer um
hone the drawings and i think they look
a lot better i did have a conversation
with aaron today
about the difficulty understanding how
that roof line was going to tie in even
though i think it's way better than it
was before
and aaron came up with new drawings
today so they're not
new design but there is a
three-dimensional
um a better site plan and some
three-dimensional representations which
i will
show you these are the the
the middle that was
that was given for this month the
elevations the side elevations and i can
bring up last months if you want to see
them but they were just pretty much a
flat roof um
same footprint
and here is um three-dimensional
representation
so i appreciate very much that you were
able to get that from me today it's a
very last minute request but he came
through
so you haven't seen this one drawing yet
but um
it was added today
so
i feel pretty comfortable that we're
moving in the right direction if the
board has
any further recommendations i'm
comfortable if you want to remand it to
me but um we can open up for discussion
and swear aaron in first
please state your name aaron mccord you
saw my swear firm testimony you're about
to give this evening is the truth yes
thank you
so can you give us um maybe just do a
small presentation of the changes that
you made based on what you heard last
month
originally we had it with a flat rubber
roof and
he had it drawn with cement board siding
uh more or less
we actually brought someone else in mike
schulte but she's actually run a little
bit late where he would be here
um he kind of just came up with a little
different setup he did the uh he shows
up with vertical siding
and one of the main things was tying in
the existing
shed style roof above
so
on the edition we kind of pulled in the
same scenario that's on the uh i guess
would be the east elevation of the
existing i try to tie it into the make
it match what's there
and then he kind of moved the windows
around to line them up a little bit
better
and added a small shed roof over the
back door
and
just kind of dressed it up
are you ready for questions then yep
okay
all right mr hall we'll start with you
yeah so i was looking at this this
afternoon and i think the
um there's a definite improvement the
the pocket if you want to call it that
and the way that addresses that flat
roof piece up there i think is uh is
very positive especially since it i
think it appears
on the same detail appears elsewhere on
the house so i think it's very
appropriate from that perspective
it looks like the eaves and everything
line up appropriately
windows line up um
i do have concern about the board and
batten
um
again simply because i don't know if i
really agree that it's
difficult to get the varied look um you
know to at least get close to matching
to what's there
and i think once painted it would it
would blend and be just fine and not be
so foreign um i'm afraid the board and
baton when i look at the renderings just
it really um exemplifies that this is a
addition to this house
so that's my only comment and that was a
good good pick up because i forgot to go
over that we actually talked about that
today
and my suggestion was really even if you
couldn't get the cedar shakes that you
just might want to go with horizontal
siding yeah i don't think i don't think
she's really married to the board and
baton to be honest yeah um
on the original one we had actually
planned to use the cedar shake and he
had drawn it on cement board and she
like when mike drew this his renderings
with the board and bat and she kind of
liked the look of it in the separation
of it so the thought was to just stick
with it
but i don't think she's totally married
to this one with you i i think with the
way the roof is addressed in that pocket
that's been established for the windows
and everything and there is a
a very honest approach to make this
blend with the existing architecture i
think if the sighting could match the
siding i think that would reinforce that
yeah that's easy and i just did a quick
google search there's hardy plank
materials out there that look very
similar to you know to what's what's on
here so that's
mr scott
uh i would agree with a lot of that i
think much improved i think the massing
is
appropriate to the uh
the way you've kind of tied that upper
floor in that third floor uh so i don't
have any major concerns with that i
think
i would be comfortable uh with you we're
continuing to work with the uh
architectural consultant on just the
details
and like that little i like having a
little
kind of canopy shed roof over the back
door but like the brackets and the
details for that it really need to be
looked at and make sure that's
appropriate um but everything else i
think is is fine
mr
yeah
the treatment on the third floor
it's just really well done
yeah yes yeah so i also agree i don't
think the board met and fits and i think
just to get close
uh would be a great i also wondered if
there was any consideration to putting
any kind of window on the side of this
because i feel like especially on this
elevation
that there's just a lot of
um
on this one yeah but it just feels to me
like it needs another fenestration
another opening
and um i just wondered
on both sides if there were any
consideration to putting any small
windows on the sides of that addition
well honestly she's trying to stay away
from having any other windows on there
just based on looking at the interior
drawings with the layouts of them
as far as keeping the continuity of the
kitchen and the bathroom upstairs
yeah do any other board members agree
that that should
that it needs a window on the side of
that as you look at the elevations
i mean the one the side of the house
that they're showing here
to the back of the house there's like
by the time you add this edition on
there's no windows i mean there's one
window from the chimney back
and then the other side of the house
they don't show so i don't really even
know
but i feel like this just
it was it is a lot of fun to me so i
would prefer that there is at least one
window added to the side of
add it to each side of that
so looking at the the floor plan i think
on the first floor plan based on the
layout that you have it's probably not
feasible based on the mudroom and the
kitchen cabinets but on the second floor
potentially is small i mean you have
an opportunity maybe next to the vanity
in the bathroom above a higher window
but again you have a water closet across
from that window so
there's there's wall space but you know
maybe not the most ideal and then of
course you would be looking at maybe
being above your washer and dryer which
is
typically where you would find a shelf
or something but right there is
opportunity i don't disagree that those
are
really blank walls but the fact that i
think the elevations are a little
deceiving and
they show that they're kind of all up
against that same facade and they're
fairly step back so they are it doesn't
the windows that are on that rear facade
of the existing house
will read as windows on the composition
in perspective so i think it's not as
as drastic as that proposed west
elevation is representing
yeah
remember where this house is i'm not
sure
i don't think really
i'm not worried about the street i'm
worried about what the neighbors see
yeah but i think that said that it is
going to hold off
in the window that's on the proposed
north elevation which is the rear on the
upper right above the new first floor
edition will help offset that the west
elevation the east elevation you still
have that uh
the
double
double hung on the second floor and that
three bay window
on the first verse i think
i think it's it's it feels like an
elevation that's a lot of black wall
which it is flat but i think in reality
it won't be that bad yeah and i agree
when you show the 3d
it is definitely better it feels better
right because it doesn't it doesn't feel
as overpowering so
um
okay
okay so are we comfortable then uh
leaving the details of
the upgrades to karen
i think it should be a condition that
the siding better match the house but
then
it'd just be a recommendation or to look
at a window i also don't
feel that strongly about a window on
that that facade because i think it's
just a skinny you know
it looks worse in elevation than it will
look in
real life so
i'm kind of agnostic on that one but i
do think the sighting would be way
better to try to match the horizontal
nature
of what's existing just because
it's not really like a huge addition you
kind of want to blend it in rather than
stick out
one thing i noticed about the site is
it's like a sea of asphalt in that
backyard area
and they may consider doing something
that soften up baby landscape even if
it's a skinny bed along the back of
there well that is something that
they've talked about tackling but
honestly i guess
i don't know if it was the previous
owner the one before him was a jeweler
so that asphalt
is like
one that's two feet thick and it's got a
slab of concrete underneath of it
so they had someone come out to look at
tearing it out so it's not going to even
be an easy chore to do what we're doing
i mean it's a monster
so
that in itself is going to be a tackle
so maybe some above asphalt planters
some nice pots
i mean he's been trying to grow a
gardener beside the garage but
even it won't grow
okay so do we have the findings in fact
i have i'm sorry i have one more
question
on the existing rear facade where that
little bump out door is uh you have the
condensing units for the ac
where are those being relocated
should be directly on the east
side
so those two units they're next yeah so
they're actually going to flip where the
little basketball goal was sitting
or like kind of by the windows
it's kind of
going to go in this little is either
where the bump out is it should go
against the bump out wall correct
yeah
okay
i think it's part of the the request to
work with karen i'm sure they can work
it out it's just i don't feel like
there's enough detail on the
model
yeah i mean there's some eve details and
bracket details and things like that
that will
should be developed
and i would be improving them between
now and construction documents sure
well done thank you for
you got kind of you know
slammed last month
it's moving forward
that's all that matters right yeah okay
the findings of fact the decision of the
board for application number can i
interrupt you for a second is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about this
this
application okay
sorry let's go ahead finding the fact
and decision of the board for
application number arb-22-2
for property located at 2488 fair avenue
the architectural review board finds
that the two-story addition at the rear
of the principal structure
is architecturally compatible with the
existing structure
and further moves to recommend to the
original planning for approval of a
certificate of appropriateness with the
condition that the applicant work with
the
design consultant on an alternate
material for the board and patent and
minor design changes
do you understand those yep
can we have it driving board members for
move to approve
i move to approve
a second
i'll call the role ms strasser yes
mr hall yes mr scott yes madam tony yes
thank you
thank you all right thank you so much
okay the next item under old business is
application number bzapp 21-48 the
address is 219 north drexel the
applicant is amy lauerhouse
the owner is francis moss and eric katz
the applicant is requesting architecture
review and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for a detached garage
and art studio
karen
hey this application was before the
board last month um
it is a
she's
asking for a recommendation to be zapp
for um
architecture review and approval or
certificate of appropriateness it will
need a variance
the original um proposal the board felt
just to remind all of you that it could
use some honing of the design to better
match the existing house which is just
an absolutely charming house
um there's
amy you can re you know go into some of
this again if you need to but just to
remind you all the the
owner is an artist so there was a strong
desire to keep a studio
space on the ground floor
um because we did suggest maybe looking
at a two floor like more of a carriage
house look but it doesn't really go
programmatically
um there
i'll let amy talk about it but i
um
these are the new
elevations
um
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and amy can walk you through what the
differences are but basically
some tudor timbers have been added and
windows that are more in line with the
shapes sizes proportions of the existing
house
i can bring it up on the staff notes if
you want to but i think all the board
members if you've looked at steph notes
i actually cut and pasted last month's
elevations in next to this month so that
you could kind of see the difference
but i'm going to hand it over to you
email like kathy
swear you in first please state your
name amy lower house do you only swear
from the testimony you're about to give
this evening is the truth yes thank you
uh yes so uh just like karen said after
last month i
went back and did some tweaks based on
the feedback i received
so the things that i did was i took off
the brackets
uh we had some brackets on the rake trim
and i removed those
um i lowered the cross gable so it was
up to the height of the garage cable
the ridge so i lowered that
i
the the windows oops the windows in the
front
on the left side i had a double there
that was smaller
and so i turned it into a triple that is
lower to give that that space a little
more verticality
i did have the half timbering both in
the uh both gables
um
i did arched garage doors which uh
respond to some of the arches on the
first floor of the house
um i added more brick so where i had a
water table
in the original around the whole garage
for this one the
piece of the garage with the doors has
brick all the way up to the soffit
and then the last thing was the window
head trim this is more of a
minor detail but uh the trim above the
windows in the stucco fields is angled
up uh to the center which is uh
mirroring the detail on the original
house
okay thank you
uh so let's start with questions miss
josser
i will just observe
okay
mr scott
is there i don't have the photos of the
existing house here is are there is
there a
tutoresque
uh type of uh
design on the existing house and the
gables
yeah it does have the hamstrings
um yeah i agree i think you responded to
the comments well
um
i think the the dropping of the the
ridgeline is is nice on the massing
i see that in order to do so you drop
the eave height as well
which i'm not as a big a fan of but i
understand why that is there i think it
was maybe a little bit better to have it
all kind of tied together but i think it
still works
and i like the arch garage door so i
think
i don't have any any criticism of the
current plan other than making sure that
it ties together
with your vertical kind of tutor effect
but i think that's fun
yeah i concur with everybody else i
think these are you know very nice move
adjustments i think you know quite
honestly the biggest move is taking that
brick on the garage up that really
helped dress it up and then bring in the
tudor style so
yeah i think this looks great thank you
much better direction
uh yeah so i agree um i think you did
what we asked you to do and so um i
think it's definitely better than it was
last month so thank you
okay um
so do we feel like we have the details
and stuff good enough that we are are
okay to approve it is everyone in
agreement with that i am it's a
recommendation to visa correct yes yes
uh audience
yeah is there anyone in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application
okay thank you
okay we can the findings of fact and
decision of the board for application
number
bzat-21-48 for property located at 219
north drexel
the architectural review board
recommends
that the detached garage with art studio
space is architecturally compatible with
the existing structure
and moves to recommend to the
bordezonian planning for a certificate
of appropriateness subject to zoning
review
do you understand the findings of that
yes
is there a motion to approve
so moved
second
i'll call the role mr scott yes
mr
yes mr hall yes adam turner yes
you are approved thank you so much
okay so we're moving to new business now
um and so the next uh application number
is arb 22-6
the address is 71 south cassidy the
applicant is amy lower house and the
owner is bruce
and melissa wilson and the applicant is
requesting architectural review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a one-story addition
to the rear of the house
we'll have karen present the project
okay this application is um before this
board for the first time
it is seeking amy's seeking
architectural review and approval i want
to go through some photos of the house
is a absolutely charming house
um
the
really the only reason this wasn't on
consent is that um they're
looking for the elevation sorry amy
this is the right packet now yes there
we go
the only reason this really wasn't on
consent on the consent agenda list is
there a few elements in it that i
thought would be worth talking through
i'm comfortable with conditions of any
changes or maybe the board doesn't agree
with any changes but
i had a little bit of trouble
understanding
or kind of thinking about that back
these back windows
their size seems so overwhelming
compared to the scale of the windows
am i looking at the right elevation
um of what's existing and i was also i
also thought maybe we could have a
little discussion about the water table
in the back which just kind of seems
like a near miss
with the existing water table in the
back
maybe it isn't brick maybe it just needs
to be brought up a little bit more i
don't know but
um
you're already sworn in so if you want
to comment or hear the comments of the
board um yeah i would just be open to
their uh
feedback the the brick water table the
idea would be that we would do a brick
that would match
the house brick
um and it would come up to there's a
soldier course there that is above the
um
the basement windows so it's hard to see
in the photos but i was just having it
come up to below that but if it's more
appropriate to have it come up to
and incorporate that
water table um or the soldier course
that's that's fine too
as far as the windows you know they they
just wanted to
maximize the light coming into the space
that's kind of the reason they want the
space is is for natural light um
so
is there anything else you want to say
are we ready for questions okay uh mr
scott you want to go first
sure um
i i would
i think that soldier course is very
unique
it's
it's a
flush water table right so it's just a
design
transition and give the existing house
base right because there's no
elevation change on the facade itself
right right so the brick is all flush so
i think maintaining that through the
addition if you're able to match the
brick would be a really nice integral
aspect of the of the addition to help it
blend together
if you're unable to match the brick
exactly then then you're able to then
twist up a little bit of the design
because you're not trying to tie that in
as a kind of yeah i agree i
you know until we get a builder involved
and really look at brick samples i
definitely it's a unique brick and so if
we're not going to be able to match it i
don't want to do it yeah so that that
gives you a little bit more flexibility
in tying in it may be similar brick but
then maybe you don't but i think the
transition between the brick
and your siding is definitely going to
have a
depth change on your addition yeah
unless you're purposely building out the
siding above the brick yeah or doing
thin brick which i don't know if we can
find this brick in thin brick but um
i've
done that on other jobs where it's been
very successful and it's it's you know
but i think architecturally you're going
to want some sort of water table
and then i think there's and i was just
because i was looking at all of that
side elevation and i don't want to pick
any drawings the side evolution back
porch
um
where that lives versus the
the rear elevation which uh i keep in my
head keep seeing it as a front elevation
so you really kind of flip the
orientation of the house uh the
elevation just seems a little off which
is fine because i think in the end when
we talk about these details those will
we'll figure out because it looks in the
side elevation like it's at the top of
this existing soldier course but in the
rear elevation it takes itself oh i see
what you're saying so it's a very subtle
thing but yeah as i was trying to tie
these lines together yes
so
now i see exactly what you're saying
i'm assuming the rear elevation is maybe
the correct yes yes it is so it's going
to sit at the bottom yes
the soldier course so
if that's the case you know how that
transitions around is something that we
just need to pay attention to yeah ask
you to pay attention to because that
elevation
will affect if you actually do a full
soldier course or if you're actually
going to maybe do a half and just do
kind of like a rollock and then making a
little bit of the existing but changing
that i don't want to give any specific
direction but i think that will that
height tie-in is going to be one of the
things that would be critical of looking
at agreed and then i would agree with uh
staff's recommendations the size of the
windows
in the rear of the edition uh seem
really at a scale and it's it's
proportion to how the existing windows
are separated so in your even your rear
elevation
that that gable windows make the way
that kind of plating window and the two
little squares they're all separated
with structure
gained windows so i don't think you need
to separate all four windows but i would
recommend maybe two and two two and two
yeah or look at that and get a little
bit different scale of those okay i
think having that one in the program of
that room having those windows is really
nice
so i wouldn't say you would want to
eliminate any but i think the scale of
that just feels well off yeah they look
like they're too
they're too wide too wide i after we
talked this afternoon i looked at it and
i thought oh if we make them like just a
little bit narrower because the ones on
the front of the house that i'm looking
at
yeah
pictures
so yeah i would just be conscious of how
the existing windows are separated okay
a little bit yeah
but i think that'll help give you blend
that can give a little bit more quality
and character to
how those windows are being punched in
the facade right
okay other than that i think the
proportions and the masking and hitting
this great such a great house it is
so would that be a condition on the
windows
uh it wouldn't be for me i don't like
the way
and i will before i'm done i want to
thank you for your consistency and your
submittals oh thank you again obviously
we see you a lot but you're
the way you present the new versus old
and your your
graphic ability to kind of render out
these facades and the clarity even if i
have a discrepancy on an elevation of a
front porch it's not a complaint um it's
it's really helpful so we i appreciate
those efforts that you put in thank you
mr hall
yeah i would concur with the uh
the approach to
the water table specifically i think
that is a pretty important detail
and then the other thing i want to point
out is the existing gables and the way
they're framed in with their detail and
everything i think it's pretty important
if you you know if you look at the
existing house and how the how the trim
and the fascia and everything's turned
out that that matches here and it looks
like your intent is to do that so
absolutely um i i don't think it's drawn
exactly to match there but that's that's
irrelevant i think the antenna is that
those two match yes and then just for
clarity i
with the way the gables are drip drawn
over the porch there's a flat roof there
is a little flat spot there okay all
right
yep that's my only comments
um
i'm not i didn't follow exactly what the
point is on the soldier course on the
edition what's if you can't get that
kind of
i agree that that's important to tie
that together yeah what are the options
or what what's the intent there so in
this picture she's zoomed up and you can
see that it's it's basically the brick
stand on end there
so uh what we were talking about was
putting that soldier course on
the top of the brick that i've shown on
on my edition so that that band kind of
ties around
all the way around the house and then
relates to the so yeah right there we
would put that soldier course and what
about the materials if did i hear
something about well if we can't get the
same brick we're going to use
something so right now um
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the intent is to use brick that matches
the existing i think if we didn't find
something that was a good match
i'm pretty confident i haven't had
issues with that much it's only one
house that i can remember recently
they're pretty good at finding
um that i wouldn't do the brick because
i i think it's important that it either
matches or we just we don't do it and in
that case i would probably put a trim
board there
that aligned with that that soldier
course to um relate back to the house
this would be a solid piece yes instead
i think yeah that sounds that sounds
good as long as the line
continues yes
perfect thank you
what would you so if that's the case
what would you just have exposed block
he said maybe underneath that wouldn't
you yeah
it's um i like the option of doing the
poured walls with the brick forms
um because then we still get the texture
of the brick even if the color doesn't
match so that's another option as well
long as it's not like a split face block
no i was saying i wouldn't match this
house at all yeah i was thinking more
like something a solid
it could be if you can't do this then
it's just a solid yeah piece or what i
don't know the right material but the
stamped concrete brick pattern is a
pattern of brick but it's more subtle
yes it gives you texture but there's no
color right right
it's an improvement in just concrete
worry it's just flat concrete that's
been purged
that's what flat rate has just been
purged oh okay yes so i think
you know that might even be a better
approach so yeah i i would agree like
it's still really true
yeah
rather than let's hope you can get the
brick i hope so that's the goal
i don't think that that's
such an oddball color so i think
okay and i don't have anything
additional to add um i had that
the same especially that back window was
a little bit bothersome but your idea of
breaking it up i think is perfect so
okay so um is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about this
application
okay seeing the one
we have to find it reminds me of that
old city hall brick maybe we can find
out what we did yeah yeah
oh it really does look like that
the findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number
arv-22-6 for property located at 71
south capacity
the architecture review board
finds that the one story addition to the
rear of the principal structure is
architecturally compatible with the
existing structure
and moves to recommend
a certificate of appropriateness
with the condition that the applicant
worked with the design consultant on the
window
size
and spacing
and brick soldier course
you understand it yes awesome
is there a board member that would like
to move to approve this application so
moved
second
i'll call the world mr hall
yes mr
yes
mr scott yes madam tony yes
thank you very much thank you thank you
thanks amy
the next application under new business
is
application number arb 22-2
the address is 2785 elm the applicant is
valerie hallis
the owner is david chay an applicant is
requesting architectural review
and approval of a certificate of
appropriateness for the addition of a
new roof
over the existing porch pad
okay karen explain this one um okay this
is um actually
valerie's first time before our board we
had a really nice talk today
um
i i have a couple of um i just want to
go through a couple of suggestions and
and critique that i went over today with
valerie and um i think generally
there was agreement with everything that
i pointed out um conceptually great idea
to add a cover over this pad
um i do think that the
uh the design detail of the roof would
be better served in this house to match
the existing kind of details of the
gable that's to the left of it
um valerie expressed the desire of the
client to have a little bit more um
i don't remember what like quirkiness or
detail or something they just really
like the the spindle
some of the details so i think that you
could probably find a way to work that
out
um with the same shape and some of the
the eve details and return details that
match the house but still give it some
lightness by the way
um if you finish it out
both on the inside and on the outside
the biggest help would be to move the
columns to the foundation that's
existing now
i know that the from our discussion
today that the client wanted a bigger
porch pad but didn't want to tear out
the porch pad but this suggest this
this kind of solution even even though
constructability wise i get it that you
could put footers and you can make it
work but
it just doesn't we talked about this
already today design wise it doesn't do
it because it really needs to be done in
the correct
detail which is to put the porch columns
on the foundation on the pad
um
they also just seemed a little bit
spindly to me we talked about that to
build them out to make them a little bit
um a little bit heavier a little heftier
not much but i think they could stand to
be a little bit at least on the drawings
um
that's the critique that i have like i
said i already went over it with valerie
once when we talked about the meeting
today so i will hate to have you sworn
in by kathy
and we can open it up for board comments
sure
please state your name valerie
you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you
um yeah so i talked to my client and um
they're in an agreement of
um
enlarging their existing porch pad to
accommodate the columns
now and
increasing the column
dimensions to be eight by eight instead
of six by six um
they do
um
so the reason why the roof shape is not
matching the pitch of the existing gable
is we're tying into the existing shed
roof that is behind that and that is an
existing roof
so
the geometry
really doesn't work out to
tie into that existing so then we can
keep that existing um the line of that
existing fascia of that
um existing roof and so we're trying to
keep and also have the gutter tied into
that existing fascia as well for that
new
roof structure
um
so that was really um the the reason of
why that's not the same shape and in
regards to um
the
spindle design that's um
and not having just like a uh you know
mimicking the return of the gable
for the existing um
house is um
it really responds to the spindle design
and that's something that they really
love
um and they wanted to
to
have that on their porch
you talking about this right here
anything else yeah okay
uh mr hall you want to go first
sure
um
i agree with some of the earlier
comments i think that
the columns coming down outside the
porch
are uh
they need to come down and engage with
the existing porch i think for that to
really be pulled off um right
i'm a little concerned about the pvc
wrapped
treatment i mean i i would think that if
we're gonna go to eight by eight well
we're gonna have to go with something
different
you know kind of would make them a
little more real a little more honest
like whenever we were going with a 4x4
post the 6x6 made sense but now that
we're switching that it needs to change
yeah and i'm assuming that every all the
other wood details on here and
everything are wood painted wood yeah
okay
um and then the the spindles in the
front they you know this is a
traditional
bexley colonial style house
um embraces
that style of architecture pretty well
um i am concerned about the spindles and
and and what they are doing i i don't
know if it's the
they just don't seem to match the
overall character of the house they look
very foreign i like the metal roof i
think that's a nice addition
and we'll class it up a little bit but i
i think the spindle
detail is
it's just a little odd to uh to what's
going on with the rest of the house yeah
i think um you know there are presidents
um within bexley of this uh particular
way of detailing um and it's of houses
that are are not
foreign in um form to what we're looking
at here
so um
you know i i
see
the
what you're saying
however i tend to disagree that i do
feel that that could um
be a nice aesthetic to this house
board members think
i'll go next okay
in addition to the
post being on the pad which i think
you're going to um address but we're
going to enlarge the pad what doesn't
make a lot of sense to me is the fact
that the
porch posts are
not on the
corners i assume they're still going to
be inside that's not a typical
um
feature that you would see in a in a
porch it
and i understand it's because of the way
the spindle
system is set up but again
yeah go ahead um it's not it's it's um
so yeah we're working with the tying
into the existing but what the restrain
is tying into that existing shed roof
that's there and having that connection
if you can see on the side
um for that to tie in
nicely and not have a weird return on
the side of the house
with that new
the roof
but doesn't the porch
roof
line up
with if you go back to the
drawing it looks to me like where the
gutters are or
that seems to yeah it does it does but
um you know so now it's centered um
we could push it out a little bit as
though you're saying have the columns
being wider offset towards the
existing porch pad
or like well we're going to be
rethinking the porch pad
you know this is the existing porch pad
um
it almost feels like
the post is in the
is in the wrong place
like it should be
out out further and under supporting
that
yeah the column i'm sorry
yeah that
and
the other thing i the the point i would
make is that the we we already talked
about the
the
porch pill posts they um
it feels like they should relate more to
like the existing brackets
um under the overhang you know you've
got those nice chunky brackets there's
existing brackets that we actually align
the posts with so there's articulation
that's already there
it's hard to see but
um
the posts so you can see there's smaller
posts and those are repeated
so you're trying to keep in the language
of that bracket that's already there
okay
um so that was kind of a
rationale um so that's why i articulate
all those details
and if somehow the
porridge columns could be i don't know
if they could be fluted or maybe that
would pull some of that detail forward
from the existing house because you've
got that nice storage yeah um you know
that hasn't been selected yet but the
the floating is a nice ad
and the base of the columns i know we're
picking on that a little bit but the
base of the columns don't seem to relate
to the house you know a simple um
a simple base would probably be more
consistent with what you've got going on
i'm sorry can you explain a little bit
like there's yeah
yeah that's that's gonna be um
developed when whenever we
re-look at the
um
purge pad so a lot going on and i i
think i agree with keith that i'm not
sure the spindle thing is really doing
the house much um
i mean it's cool right it's a neat thing
um yeah this is something that the
client really desires right um
but when i i guess i get that but it
might not be the right choice for this
house design
i'm
i'm i'm not
i'm having a hard time with that as well
and one of the things we talked about
earlier today is that
some of these choices might make more
sense if
everything else matches better and lines
up the right way right you know but i
can't tell right now because it's hard
to tell
how
how that roof pitch how the the span of
the columns the columns matching the
flush
trim around the door more and both in in
thickness and then
i think you were talking about that okay
so you guys so another goal of the
client was um so having the call the
columns move in more
um and if that's what you're saying um
that creates too small of a port
overhang they want to be able to sit out
on this porch so
by moving the columns inward towards the
sidewalk
is kind of going away from their goals
that that was not what i'm saying oh
okay i'm sorry i misunderstood that
sorry about that
i know i think board members still have
mr scott my turn
i totally agree with your comments about
roof pitch and aligning with the
existing roof and thieves i think all of
that works actually works very well
and i wouldn't propose changing any of
that
i also agree with the
discussion on the column sitting on the
porsche that's kind of where through all
that yeah a wider column
i think at first i was in full favor of
suggesting widening the on center of the
columns pushing them out
until i realized that you had them lined
up with the existing brackets
from the photographs the brackets look
like they are
not just stuck on the in front of the
stone they look like they could maybe
protrude into the stone
which would be a much harder thing to
move right uh if they were more
decorative in front of the stone then i
would say we would move those out with
the columns
because i think your proportions are
wrong on the
column width but i think yeah
the stone is put on around them yeah so
i think that
that's not something that i would be
like oh you need to change that i think
that's much harder to do than and then
too disruptive so with that being the
case and i think your your direction of
aligning the columns with those brackets
is the right direction i think it then
comes down to how you detail the the
wider column at that
cable end of the open gable end of the
uh
porch roof
and its overhead right the your your
your eve detail on this porch is very
different than the existing house
there's nothing like it in the house but
there's flavor of it with the brackets
and things so i think right you're not
far off with getting that to work
um
i think my only comment would be is the
kind of
maybe over stylized end of the gable the
the
the v
so i would recommend looking at
something called a king truss
yeah which is really just removing the
angle pieces but leaving the center
there's usually a little piece of the
vertical uh truss that comes because
almost like a fitting that hangs down
not that you have to do that but looking
at that truss design but also because we
have done an approved uh open porches
that have an interior vault um ceiling
as you're proposing yeah that's right i
think there's precedent for that i think
that works i think it's just the
the design of that gable is just a
little foreign to the rest of the house
if there was any precedent of pulling
from that i would push for that but i
think it's just
i'm not in full favor that i think
there's other ways to still get that
same effect
all the other elements are there it's
just maybe eliminating the angle pieces
i understand yeah so what if you took
the little bracket key so it's on the
house and you turned it sideways so that
it felt like it came out and supported
the overhang of the porch
is that
a viable way to make it feel like
you know what i'm saying
oh yeah instead of
so you take the the little bracket
that's coming off that the same design
of the bracket coming off the front of
the house that you turn it sideways and
you put it out at the at the column
yeah you basically copy it and turn it
sideways so that you're getting
it looks like it's supporting that
overhang and then the placement of the
column i think might seem a little bit
more
normal
is that
i think that i think i'd want to see
that maybe explore but with a wider
column once you start working on that
uh you know i think there's there are
details uh and probably we've actually
defined where you have bracketed columns
and when it meets the kind of eve
or the cornice side but
you know those are options to consider i
think the challenge is again looking at
the existing house and pulling elements
as much as possible from that and in
many ways you have i think it's just
getting this fine-tuned to to kind of
work together and not be too
um different from the rest of the house
right i think it's okay to be unique i
think it's okay to be different but it
just can't be too foreign
yeah i understand um yeah i get it now
that i've looked up the king trust
interest yeah it's just the basic
triangle with a vertical but it's yeah
right yeah just
maybe eliminating some of the spindle
but still having that aesthetic
anything else
no i'm sorry okay
um yeah so i actually have a hard time
figuring out how to make this
it seems fussy to me and i can't really
figure out how to make it better so
um i and i do think though that if you
put some kind of a even just a stone
pedestal or something under those beefed
up columns you may not even have to tear
out what's there but just
add to it so that was also a discussion
i had with my clients um earlier on was
to put the columns on like a stone
base yeah maybe it's raised up a little
bit or something yeah okay
so that that's also something that i'll
discuss with them further but i guess
that's if that's the agreed upon
solution
okay
does the board um want to see this again
or do they um
i see mr hall shaking his head he'd like
to see it again i think so okay everyone
that agrees with that
yes
okay do you feel like you have enough
information to
bring back to us bring it back to us
next month i do
okay um yeah
so you just need to ask for the
application to be tabled and then we'll
put you on the agenda for next month
great
all right okay so you'd like us to table
it yes okay
okay okay thank you thank you well thank
you for all your comments
do we want a table to a certain date
march 10th march 10th that will be on
march 10th at 6pm
was there anyone in the audience that
wanted to speak about that
application before we move on to the
next 14 april 8th oh wait wait wait oh
it is the 14th 14th
okay so we can table until april 14.
because i also want to check on the
depth of that pad to see how much
further she can expand that so it
doesn't become any kind of zoning issue
oh good good point
she's so practical
the collins though what have you
answered yeah i think she's got some
wiggle room there though
we need to make a motion
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okay she's asked for a table so being
the applicant
if you want to vote on it that's fine
it could be involved okay march 10th so
march 10
all right and if you find that that's
not going to work then we can move it
later on okay march 10
and i guess if we want to vote on that
we need to vote on that
can someone make a motion
i'll make a motion thank you second
mr scott yes
mr hall yes estrazar
yes madame tony yes thanks okay we'll
see you back here next month thank you
um
the next application has been tabled to
march 10th
bzap 22-1 which is 501 north parkview so
hopefully um no one is sitting in the
audience waiting to speak about that
application the applicant has asked to
be moved to next month
so uh going to the next application it
is number these app 22-4
the address is
2775 elm
the applicant is gary alexander the
owner is doug and barbara davis
the applicant is requesting a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for architectural review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for an addition of a
screened porch at the rear of the
property
a little bit behind here how about if i
go ahead and swear mr alexander please
state your name gary alexander you sound
like i swear or from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth i do thank you
okay this application is for a
recommendation to be up for
an extension of
the house to as a screen porch at the
rear property
um
here is a site plan
it is a one-story addition next to what
is existing now as two stories
um i also wanted to make sure that
everyone sees this privacy fence because
gary and i talked a little bit today
about the proximity to the neighbors and
just being respectful of you know
architecturally we're not talking about
zoning because that's for b's app but
just architecturally of a of a blank
wall so i just wanted to make sure that
you saw this
this um
perspective too it shows you how there's
that pretty solid fence
um
and that it's
a one-story addition let's see
that's the other side
do you have both sides in here yes i
don't um we put it in the architectural
drawings but i'm not sure it shows up in
the rendering i want to go to the
elevations
okay here's a
whoops
boy
and i i brought you up here okay
there
you're sworn in would you like to talk
about it sure um
first i just i know you have to make a
recommendation regarding the zoning so i
do want to mention i'll speak a little
bit about the zoning first i do think
this clearly meets the standards for
zoning variants because of the shape of
the property the property is a pie shape
so
the space adjacent to the house actually
gets narrower as you move deeper into
the lot
so it's an unusual sight condition our
addition steps in six feet
from the furthest point of the house in
the west so we're even bringing that
addition in that still needs variance
now what's a little deceptive about the
language of the variants is the actual
wall
encroaches in a little less than two
feet and it's only at the corner it's
the overhang that encroaches the larger
number that we put in the language of
the variants and the overhangs match the
existing
i don't think it's going to have much
impact at all on those neighbors because
it won the location of the porch you'll
notice it's between the house and the
garage
we also have the privacy fence there
which is six feet there's only three
feet nine of the wall above that privacy
fence the portion that is visible has
the upper screen panels in it so what
they can see will be broken up by the
screen panels so it's not as if there is
a
blank wall
facing that that particular driveway the
design is intentionally very derivative
of
the existing house and that portion that
it's attached to in the house
is an addition
to the original house
so um we have with the screens we're
matching the fenestration pattern on the
house we're matching the materials in
the house with the stucco and the trim
the roof slope matches the overhangs
match we intentionally positioned the
porch to the west to try to maintain as
much natural south-facing natural light
into the living living portions of the
house
and also so the porch
and the living space could both open up
to the patio
thank you
um
sure
um i think the massing and the the way
you've detailed the offsets and roof
is very appropriate um
i think that the drawing at first i
thought maybe the drawings needed a
little bit more detail to tell the story
but i think looking at the existing
house and the way you've tied together
and knowing uh your work uh in the
history i'm confident that that's gonna
all just blend in and it'll be nice so
i'm not worried about that
and i am not concerned about the screen
in porch location and with the
wall is the fence which is hope that's
good it helps
but right over the fence is a white
screened in porch on the neighbor's
property that doesn't fit that house
style at all so
um if anything there's an argument
saying maybe we should build a wall
we'll hire
um so i don't have any problem with what
you're designing and presenting as a
screening porch because it's much more
permanent style on the structure uh
where the other one looks more like it's
kind of an add-on
or almost a pre-purchased type of a
product so i i think there's no argument
um like visibility and screenage will
worry my mind for neighbors properties i
think it's it's fine the heights it's
it's
respective of the height perspective of
the existing structure so i don't have
any any other comments of that thank you
thanks john
yeah i think it's a very appropriate
addition i like how it just sort of
picks up on what's there and just
extends it and pulls it out
um and i think it's going to be very
successful so i you know i agree with
all those comments too so thank you
miss strasser
thank you for the clear
package of materials it's very easy to
evaluate and i don't have any comments
so i don't love the windows
um and i hear that you're saying and i
love it i love it on on the two sides
but it's the side that faces your
neighbors that i'm a little bit
concerned about
the fence the six foot fence really is
still below all those below the windows
that you've drawn in right it's just
it's just below that that wall is um
there'll be three feet of nine
of wall surfaces visible above the fence
yeah
and the goal that's really the only wall
to furnish
so one of the reasons for keeping that
solid is that's that's where the
furniture is going to go so you can face
out in the yard but we still wanted some
flow
passing through the porch and and the
ability
um
you know we didn't intentionally put
those up to try to break the wall up so
we were thinking about it but um we just
wanted a solid wall of furnish yeah
i just feel like the way it's drawn they
look like they're um
i mean i don't know a nice way to say it
they look a little bit like
they're like part of a outside restroom
or something
high windows yeah i mean i i but you
have to keep in mind
we we won't see the elevation like that
we tend to see our elevations from
corners so i think you when you see it
from the corner you're going to see that
that matches the windows as it it wraps
on the um south side it and those are
the same sizes of the
they're not windows but i'll use the
term transom they're the same size as
those that wrap around so i i i think
you're going to see it as kind of a
continuation there we go of what's
occurring
there across across that surface is it a
three season room or is it a screen
portrait no it's all screens it's a
screen porch so would you just take that
detail and carry it around to the side
where you just had three of them and
left the same gap on the corner and
carried three windows around the side so
that it just looked like you
kept the same design moving all the way
around instead of two windows instead of
two windows just do three and and make
it the same size off the corner is what
you before you start them the same way
you did on the mat you see how the west
is has before and so we were trying to
create when you're in that porch a
symmetrical relationship uh when you're
in the space from one wall to the next
so that's why it goes from too small to
four
um
no i mean if you said we had to do four
did you say we have to do four i think
it would make the space amazing to have
that much you know the whole the whole
claire story ventilation all the way
around with just
and you'd still have the wall to put the
tv but that's fair is there is there
anything i would do for
sorry sorry
sure
i'm done is there any privacy issues
concerns on the owner's part for having
those windows from the
neighbors second floor windows be able
to look down into the porch
the overhangs
are pretty broad
so i think from that upper view
the overhangs are going to block a lot
of that so um
yeah i think
if you felt better about the four we can
do we can do the four i i feel better
about the four
than the three
um but you sleep you sleep at night
three right
i'd sleep with two but
frieza
okay yeah
i might be a little sensitive about
buildings being built very close to
their neighbor's lot line so
but you know it what's deceptive here is
it's only that corner i mean that and
and it's just the corner that's
projecting it's not the whole wall but i
also want to remind us that this is
that's a zoning issue well and it's
concerning if the neighbor believes
you're building a screened porch i'm
going to think i'm going to look over
and see screens when in fact i'm looking
at a wall with two little folds at the
board
i don't know that davis has been this
part of here um in florida so i i don't
know if there are conversations i mean
even if you told me well that you're
gonna you know put trees there or
whatever and you want the green and
instead of the windows
you might sell me on that yes it's just
that little slither yeah can you go to
the overall just like playing the shows
zoom into that because you're basically
looking over their backyard well it's
just this piece right here
right yeah so i think again if you look
at and i pulled on google street view
where you catch this neighbor's screen
and porch which is the
box there on that side
they also have this large blank garage
wall that faces the office applications
properly so
i don't you know the defense there i'm
not as concerned about it
because look how these are stepping back
as it's going back because the angle of
the lock is less than the mask
and i think it's also stepping down in
this roofline so originally
i think it's less of an issue especially
i agree with the added four three or
four
uh transfers will help that view in that
lightness of that space it won't be a
solid wall because the fence is there if
the defense wasn't there i think we'd
have a stronger argument about that
being much more normal but i guarantee
that most of that facade probably
doesn't have a ton of windows looking at
the neighbors
i'm not for sure
no that's not almost concerned about
that i think
you're okay with two i know before yeah
i think
i think i think it's a good observation
if the owner is not very concerned about
privacy because again the second floor
windows of the neighbor's house would be
able to look right into that
so i
i'm hearing that other board members
would like to see the four windows also
i don't feel strongly of them either
i appreciate your observations and i i
if that's a condition or
if there's consensus it's i would i
don't disagree
just let us know if it's a condition or
a recommendation
are we okay making it a uh condition
oh can you bring it up
i'm okay
what elevation is that that's on the
west
side two additional screenings
audience
got it okay do you have findings of fact
category
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the findings in fact and decision of the
board for application number easy ap
22-4 for property located at 2775 elm
the architecture review board recommends
a certificate of appropriateness
recommends a certificate appropriatist
to the board designing a plan
or a screen porch edition at the rear of
the principal structure
with the condition that the
applicant add two additional screens to
the upper
elevation
further subject to zoning review and
approval
yes
mr scott
yes mr hall yes
madame tony yes
okay thank you thank you all thanks
our last application is arb
number 22-4 the address is 65 ashborne
the applicant is don highlander the
owner is laurie jones the applicant is
requesting a recommendation to the board
of zoning and planning for architectural
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for an addition to the
north side to replace existing windows
to replace the existing greenhouse
walkway and to relocate the side entry
door
okay
um
this application um
is before the board for the first time
i do have some additional drawings i
spoke to um justin today
for a while and um told him some of the
issues that i had
which i
had heard a little bit from the board as
well um i'll just kind of list them and
then we can go ahead and look at the new
drawings that justin had added to the
packet today
for clarification
um
the the issues that i had with it
design-wise first of all i think the
project is an absolutely fine project
perfectly appropriate
um i was very concerned about the steps
going right into the driveway
uh i'm
being the mother of four now
almost 30 so 24 to 30 year olds i am
positive that if it was like it was
represented in the first drawing you
would
the applicant the owner would be
replacing those steps probably
100 times periodically
having had a lot of teenage drivers
how in the new plan new site plan
justin
provided us today
it it looks as though there's actually a
bed there that the steps would be
that that's already existing that wasn't
represented so it makes me a little bit
more comfortable you know when i looked
at the floor plan and just i talked
about it not even really sure you need a
door there anyway but you know
um at least there is a how big of a bed
like a 12 uh
25 inches 25 inch bed so that made me
feel a little bit better because i can
just picture it being hit is that where
the cursor is right now yes okay thank
you
um secondly the window um overall
proportions seem great lots of light
good into the kitchen
um i worry about the big big plate glass
you know being kind of like not broken
down into better proportions and also
not being
operable i would even if it wasn't my
main sink i'd probably
like the air as much as the light
um so i think that would probably be an
easy thing to accomplish just making
like you did on the other one maybe
one of one casement or two casements in
a middle plate plate glass or whatever
suggestion see what the board has to say
um and my last thing was i kind of
questioned
the elegance and
um
maintenance and utilitarian issue of the
glass enclosure just by the way it was
drawn it looked kind of hatred
restaurant atrium looking in the drawing
and as a result of our conversation
justin has
put in some specs of the system that
they would like to use and he can talk
us through that as well
looks much better i mean these are big
commercial projects in this brochure but
at least um
you can get an idea of some of the the
better detail i just didn't want to
picture it as a place for birds to nest
and
things to gather in corners so
um i did ask for that so we can go
through those additional drawings
there's no changes to the design per se
yet
based on our conversation though there
are these additional pieces of
information to look at so um i'll give
it to you to kathy to square you in and
then
i can pull up whatever the board or you
need to as we go
please state your name justin highlander
you saw me swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you
um
thanks for having us here tonight um
as uh karen said we had a good
conversation today
we were proposing a 120
square foot kitchen addition
onto where the existing kitchen is
located
we are aligning it with the existing
garage
and
there is an existing
kind of garden wall where the stone ends
in the front
and so it's a clean finish to already an
existing
setback to the house
so it kind of all
fits in
you can kind of see there's a about
three inch setback right now where that
stone finishes so
we're proposing the
the new wall to come out from
where that stone ends and then
align perfectly with the existing garage
the roof would be aligned exactly where
the garage gutter line is
and then as you can see these existing
photos the all the windows are very tiny
so the existing kitchen only has three
small windows right there
ganged in the middle so it gets
very little light
so our proposal
is to with this edition to have all
these additional
glass windows in there to bring in more
light
you can see in the third photo
that the arch doorway is their side
entry that exists today we're proposing
to relocate that existing arch door to
where the
window is and the fourth photo
for that side entry and then you can see
that i accidentally i will take full
blame for drawing
not drawing the landscape
so now we have the 25 inches of
landscape drawn into the drawings to
show that the two steps will work
um so that's about the yeah and then if
you go to the rear
existing today
there is a sliding glass door
to their patio
with
a skylight system
and so it is not a full greenhouse
system today so we would basically
be replacing all of this with um
newer material
better design clean up everything
there's you can see in the third photo
there's different elevations between
uh where the gutter line is for the
skylight versus the gutter line in the
garage
so we want to clean that up make it all
the same
planes so that the new
sliding doors will kind of meet
a new staircase window the gutters all
line
and then
so you'll have a sliding glass door
a header
and then we're proposing the v-lux
skylight system above it um so be much
cleaner
a little less noticeable of a
glazing system up there
so be
much cleaner
that's what i have so far okay thank you
you're welcome
uh mr scott you wanna go first
let me know what you want me to put up
there
i love
the mastering of this house
i love the uh
there's a few of these investly that
you just look at it and you're like okay
how are they thinking about doing i mean
i'm sure there's some amazing interior
spaces
maybe some really cool
uh
but but it creates such a
kind of all these little nooks and
crannies around the house and all these
little interesting roof lines and you
know probably a huge challenge to
maintain and keep making things leak or
get the snow out of it but in the end
it's very interesting so i was curious
about the arch door that i'm looking at
that existing window i was like well
there probably was an original arch door
there at one point because there's some
stucco work there which isn't unique
anywhere else i'm like well that's
totally appropriate
um i'm kind of glad that that kind of
skylighted
porch roof is coming out
the kind of third photo there i think
that's
doesn't fit the character of the house
but then you know the new addition in
that location i think is good uh
obviously you're relocating a radon
system
we're trying to figure that out uh and
the ac units all your acs so um you know
other challenges that i'm sure you're
fully aware of
um i think on the overall design i think
that the the skylighting system is is is
a commercial
solid system uh it's all about
installation it's not necessarily about
the windows so
and you're really replacing what's there
now in essence you're just replacing
a similar form so i don't have any
objection i think the window above it
looking at that in in the photo uh it
probably looks like it needs to be
replaced so uh that is going to be
replaced uh same size
um and just uh we're going with a marvin
gloom and clad exterior um
we love marmot so that's that's great to
hear
so i think my only only kind of
criticism on the overall design is the
is the scale and this really shows up in
the 3d shots a14
of the kitchen windows and i think and i
i like the
and i think you have the ability to with
all the other quirkiness things of the
masking of the building to open up that
kitchen and have larger windows i think
it's critical that the window details
and and the um you know if there's
buttons that are buttons that are
actually in those
details in those windows or how those
are you know some are operable or not um
and i think all of that was fixed is
probably i would think is a mistake i
think that doesn't mean that are all
operable
but that that to me is not worth in the
proposed design because i don't think
it's balanced enough i don't have a
problem with the openness at all i think
it just needs to be
it's not characteristic of the rest of
the character and some of the kind of
quaint things that you see in the
windows and all these little in this
kind of
style of architecture so
i'm okay with that it's different you
have a flat roof you have a little bit
obviously but you don't want it to be
too different so you need to kind of try
to pull some of those details in
and maybe one of them is a little bit
more of a smaller punch or there's two
or three or four four-square punch or
something but
i would
think that that area needs to be looked
at a lot larger but i i'm okay with the
openness of it because i get that that's
gonna bring a lot of i think you saw you
love a lot of light in your house so uh
i'm fine with that i think just the
details so that's my only overall
criticism
mr strasser
i agree 100
the
for me the windows are not working
and i i just want to thank you for
relocating the door you know and
keeping that that's great idea uh
overall
you know right now kind of some of the
the additions and the skylights i would
put it like in the hot mess category it
was just kind of this your design's
great and
just i'd say work on the windows and i i
would feel comfortable with karen
working on that
mr hall
yeah i think my only comment is that the
front of the house you've relocated the
air conditioning units it looks like to
the front so i'm a little concerned
about that being seen from the street
um it could be some special attention
you know shrubs whatever just to screen
that okay but i agree with all the
comments um
i am can you maybe tell me a little bit
about the
the approach for the flat roof and
other other flat ropes on the house or
so the approach uh for it was
when we aligned it with the existing
garage
if we were to put another pitch
there it would be
it just doesn't seem symmetrical with
that entire elevation
so that side of the house you can see
that
the angle of the roof on that side is
all the same
all the way down whereas the exterior
has about three different pitches
so for us to try to align that pitch and
keep the existing second story windows
above the kitchen edition
we didn't think was feasible so then
we're adding a different angle into the
side
so we thought
it would just be cleaner and concise if
we aligned it with the existing garage
gutter line and just brought it out
there
i think it works um because i think
there's a lot of variation going on with
the house anyway
um so it's just kind of wondering you
know
how you got there
so than anything but i think my biggest
concern is really the you know the
windows you've heard that and then the
um the air conditioning units that's
being seen from the street absolutely
is that it
yes
um okay um so i have a question on this
side door i'm a little concerned you're
showing a rail there and i just picture
anyone trying to back out of that
driveway is going to take that rail out
was there any consideration taken to
just
setting the door in under the roof and
making a tiny little like two foot porch
area so you could actually get in out of
the rain and i think it would
eliminate some of the mass on that wall
i actually think it could be a really
beautiful little detail to have it just
inset a little bit
um i know it takes a little bit of your
closet out on each side but it seems
like
that really makes that elevation to me
much nicer
yeah i think we're just
doing to keep all that closet space in
there i just think it's something you
should maybe think about because i feel
like
having those steps come out there and i
know you you're saying you've got
landscaping there but it's flat and if
you run over a plant it doesn't
do anything any harm to your car and
stuff but i worry if you end up with a
rail there and stuff it's i think it's
eventually going to get hit
um so i i just think that would be
really nice to consider that and then i
just i agree with the with the windows i
think if the windows were
similar to the windows on the rest of
the house i think and maybe it's just
smaller mullions or something could be a
way to make them tie together and then
my last question was so the roof system
that you're doing do you have enough
pitch to that that you're not worried
about water sitting on it at all and
getting like muddy and gross correct um
so we're we are doing the minimum pitch
that's allowable for snow snow load
so it kind of allows us to
raise up a little bit to align with the
garage roof
but then not hit the second story so we
are bringing the elevation down a little
bit more
but every every spec that we've talked
to and when i've talked to the vilux
person in pal
they have no concerns on anything that
we're drawing so far
with with the conditions of
you know the gutters and the flashing
and the and just how it's installed yeah
they're telling us that if it's
installed properly that it
should be a-okay yeah i i guess i just
worry a little bit that where the metal
meets the glass
if it's not a high enough pitch that no
water can sit there you're going to end
up with little muddy lines around your
um
you know around the metal work where it
meets the glass and you're going to see
that from inside as well as from outside
so
um and i don't i don't know what system
you're you're using to really know the
details but i think i i would just want
to think through all that and make sure
that you're not going to end up with
that
being a maintenance item so
so do we want to
leave this to karen to figure out the
details or do we want to see it
back here again
i'm comfortable with the details
referring to karen yeah i am too so much
okay
what i'll be looking at for the windows
is just to tighten up the grids
so they're smaller and in proportion
with the windows that are existing and
then totally up to you whether you
want to make i personally would very
much recommend that you make something
operational in
in each of them because i think you're
gonna love getting fresh air as well as
the light
but that's what i'd be looking for just
to tighten up the grids and to put some
dividers or something to
yeah
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it's a scale thing more than anything
okay so uh
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about the application
okay
do you want to read findings effect sure
the findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number arb
22-4
for property located at 65 ashborn road
the architectural review board finds the
addition to the north side of the
principal structure and modifications to
the structure
are appropriate
and compatible
with the existing structure
and further moves to approve a
certificate of appropriateness with the
following condition that the applicant
work with the design consultant on the
windows style and size
and that the applicant provide a
landscape plan to staff for screening
the new location of the ac units
okay do you understand the findings of
that absolutely
is there a board member to approve
so moved
second
mr hall
yes mr scott yes
mr
yes madam tony yes thanks
thank you very much thank you thank you
stonewall
anything else from the board
which comes right up to the driveway
did you not get the message
corey
oh well i don't know
which one you clearly didn't get the
message i left for corey um you said to
still come just in case oh just at the
beginning
you didn't have to stay till the end
it's passed
are you 280 south columbia
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i'm sorry i thought it was really clear
that like it was in the consent agenda
and i i always it's good news i always
tell people to show up because i never
know if a neighbor might
golf or something
um yeah
some spring breaks coming up i joanne
brought to my attention
is it march or april for spring
so it could be an issue is everybody
going to be here march 10th
i'll send out an email
i don't do spring break anymore since i
don't have kids
yeah i was just sensitive because i knew
i was going to miss the 14th and i
didn't know what it was
of april and i didn't know what spring
breaks were like and
i just didn't want us to not have a
quarter sure and by the way other people
it's just because it's march in april
i'm always thinking
maybe folks are traveling or
i'll send out an email to everybody
that's not attached to anything meeting
and get a consensus
yeah it would be good anyway