would everybody make sure that you have
on your microphones before we because i
tried to listen to the meeting from last
month
and it was obvious that some people
didn't have their microphones on so
um cathy cole roll
ms trouser yes mr helman here
mr scott here
mr heyer here
and chairman turner here
okay so we are not approving minutes
last month correct
um
and are we asking for public comment on
other things or because this is we only
have one item we would only be doing
that seems appropriate okay so we will
be not be doing um general public
comments today we'll save that for our
january meeting
so we will get right to applications is
that correct
that is correct
okay and we have one applicant tonight
so um
do you have that up yeah okay so it's
application arb
21-58
the address is 221 ashbourne road the
applicant is carrick cheryl
the owner is alec alex and katie
walker marsh
their applicant is requesting
architectural review and approval of his
and a of a certificate of
appropriateness for the demolition of an
existing fire damaged home and the
construction of a new single-family home
okay let's start with karen's comments
um this applicant is before the board
for a special meeting uh as they were
tabled
um i think for a third time right mike i
think so at the
november meeting
and the board agreed to have a special
meeting so that we could
potentially get them going
and hopefully get some problems resolved
with the design
as they wanted to get moving ahead of
with their project
um during the course of the last month i
have had a couple of zoom meetings with
the applicant
um to be honest with you the only
changes that i've seen which are good
and i'll go over them just came about as
of last week so
my reaction is
the staff report is a fairly new staff
report but i think you all have seen it
i both
um posted it to the
um
website and i emailed it to all of you
along with the list that i sent to all
of you with the changes which i'm gonna
try to go over them
off the top of my head because i didn't
print out a staff report rather than
going back and forth but i'm also going
to let the architect come up and talk
about the changes um there the list that
i had sent to all of you was a
cumulative list of all the things that
we
had been asking
um to for further study for for the uh
proposed new
structure
among which were i'm going to highlight
some of the important ones that i was
really looking to happen before
tonight's meeting and as of this week
they
they are have been completed one of
which um
is that the eve line on the front of the
building be lowered to match the rest of
the house that it would be a clean line
and the gutters would all match up
and it would be um
just a much better design
aesthetically as well as um maintenance
wise for for the applicant etc um there
were a few things on the drawings that
i'm sure some of you have saw that were
not completed like there was a door on
the screen and porch that really was
it was in contrast with the floor level
so i asked that they solved that issue
and puts instead there were no steps to
the backyard
smallish details but in a new build that
is replacing an existing structure we
really have always demanded that all of
those things be shown in their
completion
um at this level because it's important
to us when you replace a structure
um
you'll also see that they lowered
the sill level the first floor plate to
where we had asked them
and the ridge height is also now
reasonable in comparison to the houses
on the remainder of the street the other
i think big change that i got the
applicant to do
is to
change the kind of standard
builder grade
gutters to half rounds so i think it
will really beef up the look of the
house and and have a much more quality
um finish to it as well as extending the
brick all the way on the gable sides up
until to the ridge line can you pull the
drawing up as so we can everyone can see
what um these are drawings from
yesterday
which
i had posted
yeah sorry i should be talking through
this the other um change it really was
reflected in the
in the perspective before but um
was not in the elevation
was to
align the the
caps of these columns here with the
crown so that we really get more clean
lines all the way across which is very
typical
of that part of the neighborhood
so i
think that
i'm sure i've left out a few things that
we have already covered last time for
example the wood sills have been changed
to brick molding
the oh the back patio
columns
have been refined a bit
with some paneling so that they have
more of a hierarchy they were just kind
of a plain
um
wood column
before and
i think that
at this point i think it'd be a good
idea to have the applicant the architect
their attorney whoever is going to
present for them to kind of fill in any
gaps that i did i did also speak with
the applicant about um
going back to the client what some kind
of a higher level
roof material like the existing house
had simply because a couple of the board
members i know had pointed out that
concern
um we have had people that have replaced
demolished houses and new builds that
have used slate and clay tile or
whatever was existing but we've also had
it the other way um i i you know i think
that's at the well of the board's vote
and the board's request
um the applicant on our zoom called did
the owner did bring up a potential
exploration of
another type of material like a
composite or something like a a
a mimic slate but i don't know where
that that was just this week
um
i do think that a lot of the upgraded
materials like using all brick using the
half round gutters start to really
customize the house in a way that may
negate um using a slate tile or a clay
roof a clay tile
um
as long as some of the other materials
are upgraded but you know that that's up
for a board discussion as well so
how'd i do
okay
thank you
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yeah
can i have you both state your name
starting with you sir
you saw me swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth
yes thank you
uh
um
uh
we don't have a microphone for
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you so do you want me to repeat that
that's okay
okay madam chair
members of the commission mike shannon
on behalf of the applicant i'll be
uncharacteristically brief tonight and
give most of the presentation to carrick
however i'd be remiss if i uh to the
extent we're hopeful of calling the
question this evening
if i did not state for the record that
um i believe we've met the statutory
codifications in bexley for the
requested demolition
um and i believe there's been consensus
developed through the last four meetings
that we've had with you
in that regard but i wanted to state
that for the record
uh i do think that um it's been a
process that um
to say that it improved the project
would be an understatement um and the
attention to detail and the meticulous
review
uh and my civilian opinion has uh
resulted in a terrific
replacement home and with that i'll turn
it over to carrick thank you
good evening
thank you for
having us again
and taking time out of your busy
schedule to have a special meeting
um i think karen did the majority of my
job
explaining kind of the changes that
we've um applied
through discussions with her along with
um
reacting to previous comments from the
on the board through
the several months that we've been here
to
review this replacement project
um
i i think karen mostly covered it but
i'll i'll i'll touch on the highlights
um
the eaves
on both floors are
now fully aligned
um we've replaced
wood sills um with with
brick
uh rose and
there are brick heads above windows um
on the first floor
um
addressed
um the first floor eaves and made a more
consistent profile throughout the whole
perimeter of the home
um
really making a consistent style on all
four sides of the building
and i think that's really all i mean
i'll be brief in my comments we've we've
been through this a couple times and
karen did a very good job of kind of
going over what has occurred
over the last month but primarily over
the last week and a half or so that
we've been in discussions with her
thank you um okay we'll start with the
board questions uh mr heyer will you go
first sure
well thank you so much for all these
adjustments that you've uh
met uh i think
you know the only thing outstanding that
i would like to talk about really is the
uh roof material and to to if you could
bring up
um a couple of the
ideas that you had or the the owner had
about material for the roof
i think it's important because you have
a large roof exposure
on this property that a nice roof
material be
part of this especially given the
beautiful clay tile that the current
house has
that i think you know again our
standards are that we build as good or
better than what's existing on a demo
and so it would be important for me uh
for my vote that we at least hear about
those material options that we would
have for the roof
you can
do that at the end if especially if the
owner needs to come up and discuss that
but
i'll just say that the refinements that
you made
for the a lot of the details are great
um i love the fact that you
have a grade to uh eve of roughly 20
inches because i'm thinking of the
soffit of the eve not the bottom of the
wood you know fascia detail or i'm sorry
the sort of corona or freeze
um
so it's right in line with the
neighborhood fantastic
uh the windows and their alignments
fantastic
there's a lot of little details that i
can't really read in these drawings that
i think are important for the design
consultant to work out with you
particularly the raking cornice of the
um dormers
and
uh
you know the the especially the wood
trim around the door entryway and the
windows on the first floor as well as
the dormers that are kind of wall
dormers on your side extension
those are not clear to me but i think
that those are easily worked out with
somebody like our design consultant who
knows these like the back of her hand
um but they're very important
for the quality and the look of
this house for the neighborhood
particularly if you look at the front
entryway
you have vertical styles that go up
through a header condition and that
wouldn't be the that's not the way we
build
so you want to have a consistent you
know
lentil wood lintel or whatever it's
going to be there that goes over the top
of all the windows
um i would consider a different style of
you know mutton pattern in your front
door
um it seems kind of odd to me especially
given the large glass sizes of the of
the windows it just looks out of
character with the rest of the house so
i'm really kind of going into nitpicking
stuff but um
also the 16 inches from grade to first
floor is is brilliant
eight and eight you know is is a great
it's in keeping with the neighborhood
for sure
um
and then i just have another suggestion
for you that the chimney
um
you know on the elevation on on page
eight two four
um it sort of penetrates the roof
at the eve
and typically we don't do that
um it's just a
it's just a
detail for flashing and for longevity of
of the roof and the chimney that the
chimney would really just present itself
all the way up
and also in the elevation the chimney
doesn't actually extend down the porch
roof which
you would see there and so you have to
be very careful about flashing that
condition where it bumps out and appears
to go down the roof slightly you see
what i'm saying there on that sloping
roof where the chimney bumps
that and um
i did notice that the the west elevation
you have a different pitch on your roof
and i never caught that before but
if you could explain that does that is
that for head room in the attic in in
like a third floor space that you have
it's to create volume in the master
bedroom
um and it's also
um kind of extends uh to create that
third floor
potentially occupiable attic space yeah
and the chimney does meet code where
it's 10 feet away from the top to the to
the to the roof edge i believe it does
you better check that i will
because uh
that that'll change your design if that
chimney has to extend higher in order to
meet the code requirement
um i would expect that we're incredibly
close um just by looking at it uh the
width of the triple window there is um
you know out to out nine feet so i mean
just kind of
you know thumbing it will worry about
right there well you one of your options
is to
um
take the chimney and simply move it out
more in order to meet that 10 foot
requirement but then it's two feet above
that to your cap so just be careful on
that um in this case i mean i don't have
it's a it's this it's the back elevation
of the house i don't have an issue
having two different slopes in this in
this condition if it was a case where
you would see them both from the street
from ashborn i would take a little more
i would have a little more to say about
that you know but in this case i think
it's fine
so really
i'm very grateful for all the effort
that you've put into this and really
appreciate the time and
i just i'd like to hear about these
other roof material options that you're
talking about sure mentioned um i'll
just say that the application includes
asphalt shingles for right now um so
that's what's in front of you uh
at the
maybe at the end of the comments we'll
have the owner
come up i know that there's a
simulated uh slate tile um
that has been used
um i don't know the product names off
the top of my head it was something that
came up kind of very recently so um
well i think the comments of this board
going back were always that we wanted an
equal or better material for that roof
and so we we really are looking for
um
a clay tile or a slate and or an
imitation slate if that's the direction
you want to go but
i have a lot of experience with slate
and imitation slate you know the
comparisons between the two and
um
believe it or not real slate is actually
more economic material
i've never seen the imitation slate and
its life span actually compare with with
the the real thing
in terms of a long-term economy not not
upfront cost okay
so i would be careful about that okay
those are my comments thanks
mr scott
well mr heyer basically
stole all my thunder
one uh i was hoping that would happen
yeah he was first out of the gate he had
the privilege of stealing everyone
yeah um i agree on the chimney i think
the chimney though it does there's
appears to be a flat roof in front of
that chimney above that porch so
i was wondering if it should be uh
kind of pushing into that
roof line as well but i think it's from
the other west elevation you can see
that maybe it's a flat roof yeah um
yeah no i appreciate the efforts i think
uh you know we appreciate uh listening
to us and taking the kind of comments
and incorporating that into the design
and i think it's come a long way
um
you know stepping back and looking at
the the comments over the last couple of
meetings my position hasn't changed i
think i was pretty clear in the last
meeting about
uh
the qualification of the demo of the
existing property
that this existing property
pretty significantly meets a hardship on
refurbishing the existing
and as much as i may like the exterior
and of the existing house i think you've
met that
qualification
so i will be in support of that
demolition
um
and i think that the the new design is
is really come a long way and it is
fairly solid there are plenty of little
details at any point you're still you
know you're working in a
maybe a revit or maybe a sketchup or
you're still in this 3d model
and you have to get into the
construction details a little bit more
and i'm confident that we can you'll
work with the design consultant to work
through those
i think the only thing i'm going to lose
sleep about is that offset downspout on
the east elevation the front of the
house
between the dormers
uh maybe we could center that
uh that's a recommendation i like
but it's uh it's just something that
it's
it we don't like using downspouts as
design elements i'd struc i i honestly
struggled with that i had it in the
middle and i had it to the side and i um
when it was in the middle i really felt
like it kind of was an architectural
element and i didn't uh
i don't that's that's a personal
preference it's not a condition it's
just the recommendation yeah uh and i
and i have a question about the little
brick piers in front of your main
columns at your entry
i'm i'm curious about how those may work
in the perspective i think on the first
page there you can see them a little bit
better
and how that detail may end up so i'm
really curious what you see those
functions are
how far it looks like it's coming out of
18 inches maybe two feet
seems a little odd to me
i would not be disappointed if there's
one away or there was just a detail at
the base of that pier
about the steps but um or if those came
out more more proud of the the house and
there was a little bit more of
incorporating the sidewalk i'd be
interested in in that as well but again
not as a condition i just think they're
a little
they seem like there might be a remnant
in the design where you kind of kept
those so funny i read them as the base
of the column until you just said that
in elevation they do but when you look
at the 3d they're actually they stick
out so i think they're just
to me it doesn't i'm wondering how that
detail will end up really working and
yeah i don't i don't think it's working
in this but again i think it's a minor
minor where do people put their stone
geese
exactly so that you may need another
foot or two so uh
my house currently has a big concrete
absolutely i love it so i think it's
just making sure it seems like it's in
between sure
but other than i have no other comments
thank you
mr author
this is more of a question for staff
maybe i think you noted that we're
intended by the statute to have a
completed preservation plan of the site
is that something that you would
you can condition that but it needs to
be done so that we can make sure that
the trees that are currently there are
preserved
and yes that's part of the requirements
but it wouldn't be
it could be conditioned
you know the
preservation plan
the construction document the permits
can be conditioned on that yeah
yeah we have that in the i think i've
listed that in the conditions all along
okay thank you that's all i had
uh
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maybe going a little
sideways here but if
if you've been involved with a
architectural firm this is maybe more
for the owner
uh what what typically happened
you