good evening everyone thank you so much
I know five o'clock on a Tuesday is not
always easy I super appreciate you all
being here today and Troy thank you for
giving up your seat for the next
I can't do the math real fast 53 53
minutes keep that gavel warm yeah I'm
gonna sit like this the entire time
um
I hope all of you have had a chance to
look over the um legislative goals
concept
um sheet that we had that I afforded a
while ago and then I reforted last week
just to to brush up it has been updated
and it is attached to
um the agenda for the evening and I have
a feeling it will be pulled up behind me
um momentarily there it is
um
after having a conversation with the
mayor earlier today we've decided to
kind of tackle this in two sections so
all of the highlighted areas we will be
going over first and then we will Circle
back to the top of the list and
um go through those items that are not
highlighted
um and the American gives us some more
information on each of the highlighted
items really what we want to do today is
look at these specific items also see
where what committees they may fall
under and begin to get the opinion of
counts the whole Council as to what
items we really would like to move on
and who might be able to assist with
that so at this point I will hand the
meeting over to Mayor Kessler to begin
walking us through this document thanks
um for those of you who've pointed
following of order I think I think we
need to take attendance roll call
thank you Troy
excellent parliamentary future
Robert's Rules yeah so um
yes
I'm here miss lamkey yes Miss Robinson
here miss valuable Mr Marcelino and Mr
Markham here thanks
thank you Mr Robinson so I don't think
we've ever um literally done this exact
kind of concept where we looked through
the year and kind of map out what sort
of legislation might be coming
um I started talking to Jen about it
because I realized that we do have quite
a few things sort of we've had ideas
percolating
some of them have been assigned to
committees you know and maybe still
being worked on others just we know
they're out there in The Ether and so I
thought it'd be good to make sure
everyone knew what was being talked
about and then love to have input on
some of the concepts uh and then if you
also obviously some of these ideas are
driven by council members but if there
are more ideas to be driven just having
them kind of Chartered out helps
think through that yeah so uh
the reason we're focused on the
highlighted ones is they're ones that
maybe are a little less obvious or maybe
don't have yet have a draft or maybe
they are a little more need some more
teasing out so there's a couple of
different reasons but we can Circle back
to any of these I'll just dive in and
start talking about the Tiff funding
ordinance so as you know um the Main
Street Tiff is slated to fund the Main
Street portions of the year of the parks
projects we allocated funds to come out
of that for the project but we we're
going to finalize the way to finance
them and so the auditor and I have been
speaking in concept about uh how to do
that
um and one of the one a model that we
looked at is and this is under your
working documents there's some of these
potential ordinances are in place one of
which is this potential Tiff funding
ordinance so a a model and this is one
of many that we could do is of course we
could
go to market and borrow against the cost
of the project obviously this is not a
good borrowing environment historically
another model would be that we borrow
quote unquote from related funds of the
city and then pay back over a period of
time
and as a means of comparison currently
the existing debt out of the Tiff fund
expires this year
and it's I think it's about 164 167
000 in debt service today so what we're
talking about in this post uh proposed
chart here is similar
um the
uh the Tiff fund generates about a
hundred hundred and twenty five thousand
in excess above and beyond that right
now so it still continues to give us
opportunity to do other things with the
Tiff under this model this is just a
suggestion the general fund
infrastructure fund Capital fund
suggestion
um those funds all have uh what I
believe to be adequate reserves to allow
this concept but if we would come to a
point where for example we'd say man we
really wish that we had extra money in
the general fine or Capital fund
we could always borrow
conventionally
um and then pay back these funds and
then just move forward so there's not
really any risk with this model
um
so I just wanted to kind of socialize
socialize that idea and just kind of see
if you want any thoughts about the
concept in general
um mayor I remember when we appropriated
fund or we set aside the budget and fall
2021 uh we did I think 1.9 million to
that infrastruct was it the
infrastructure fund or the
um
and I'm just wondering do we know what
the balance of that fund is so the
balance of the fund uh is
about roughly three million dollars
right now infrastructure fund but we
have slated up to 765
000 to be appropriated for perennial
Mayfield this year so the unencumbered
balance is around 200
2.235 million so the under this concept
that would bring it down to one point
um 1.6 million a little bit more than
1.60 million okay and then my second
question was the the 10-year annual
payback is that what you said we
currently have the one that expires this
year yeah the current debt service is
uh
164
640 a year and that's our final year
here so it it floats around 164 000 so
it's analogous it's not it's not much
higher than our current debt service
and uh to give you an idea the Tiff
brings in about 346
000 a year so 171
000 in debt service it would be clean
slate for Debt Service would still
enable
additional tiff-based expenditures which
do arise from time to time so not only
do we have some reimbursements for Tiff
agreements that are in place but
um if you know there is a a Denise DG
big kindness Park project for example
that's a tiff project uh the Schneider
Park Trailhead is a tiff project so
they're Tiff projects that occur
on Main Street that are smaller and are
able to be paid for just through the
balance in that Tiff account okay thanks
Mr Martin so is that number since we're
going 171 versus 160 whatever is that
sort of coincidental that that kind of
matches up
where's the 1.7 million
I am assuming that I'm assuming that it
is maybe coincidental this is more needs
driven from the 1.7 million is can you
just talk a little bit about that so the
1.7 million is is a lines up with our
estimates current estimates for projects
okay
um
and take this into account that we do
have a balance in the tip of 280 000 so
we still have a little more wiggle room
above and beyond the 1.7 million can you
add two follow-up questions and one is
can you just talk a little bit about
like how you got the distribution
between these three and then my
follow-up follow-up is I'm gonna ask Mr
mcpeek about this plan versus the
conventional borrowing and you can talk
a little bit about interest rates and
how much that would cost us maybe so uh
the balance this is really like a first
like grenade of the Foxhole concept like
you could go so many different ways for
this with with this I'm sorry
um we have uh 6.1 million in reserves
4.2 of that in the general fund
projected for the end of the year uh we
already know that we're outperforming
those numbers
um we currently sit with 5 million in
the general fund so it it takes down the
general fund a little bit but it still
leaves a very comfortable Reserve
historically with what we have been
comfortable with so that was the logic
with general fund infrastructure fund
logic was when we take all the estimates
that we've had for Ferndale Mayfield
um it leaves enough left to handle those
estimates while also borrowing from that
infrastructure fund you know the capital
fund Capital fund has more than 400 000
but not much more so that would deplete
Capital fund reserves however we
continue to feed Capital fund every year
and we look
yeah to be in good position to continue
to do that okay
so those that was my logic but there you
could like literally just sit here and
kind of horse trade on that for a while
to get to whatever slices feel
comfortable and of course there's
nothing wrong with going to Market and
taking debt against it
um you know we would pay interest rates
probably around
I think our bonding rates are probably
around four percent maybe now yeah I
mean I haven't looked in months and it's
a volatile world that we live in but
that's directionally correct and we
could absolutely do that also at any
time if we have regrets about this
approach so we could we could take out
debt and pay back these funds and then
we would be right where we are today
yeah yeah I would just say conceptually
I'm completely on board with this
because we aren't getting you know
fabulous Returns on our our current
Investments so
um being able to utilize our own
Resources with the intent to pay it back
um again directionally I'm on board with
there's just a couple things that you
know would would clearly need to do
before we
um formalize this
um just again work through work with you
to you know Mark work work through all
the legal aspects of it to confirm it's
compliant with everything under the sun
and then you know we would want to do a
point in time review of just the the
what the market rates are versus what
we're paying but again conceptually
um you know if we have a way to utilize
our own resources and get Capital at a
lower rate than what we could in the
market
um it just seems like the right thing to
do yeah that sounds logical yeah
I don't know if I would be out of line
saying this but this given that this is
the year of the parks um it seems like
this would be something that we would
want to investigate kind of on the
shorter end of the year um so that we
know um is everybody here comfortable
with us doing a little more deep digging
um and making sure that this ordinance
as it's structured right now makes the
most sense I know we have
um the committee is listed as Finance
but it doesn't just have to be Monique
we can uh you know
um Mr McPeak if you could potentially do
a little investigating along with the
mayor and get back I think that could be
that would be a smart move
training just to be clear so we did have
slated to hopefully have a first reading
as soon as our next council meeting okay
can I pick another at-bat yeah so I is
there an argument to be made since the
general fund is fairly healthy that to
take the entire amount out of the
general fund and just pay back into the
general fund instead of splitting
between those three
it's a philosophical question
um
it it would just depend on
how you guys feel about that model
that's totally doable is there a reason
you would prefer to do it this way
instead of that way
I thought one it sort of Hedges you know
you could always for example if the
general fund
um
or or sorry if the infrastructure fund
like you wished had more funding for
example you could always do a transfer
from the general fund at that time yeah
just kind of sure it just kind of Hedges
it around a little bit and the same
would be true if the capital I mean most
of the capital fund a lot of yeah it's
funded by general fund by you folks
pushing it up in in a particular budget
year so I mean it's
almost the same dollars really in a lot
of ways same place just yeah different
buckets I think yeah
take a little bit out of three
yeah which again such a very reversible
thing right so sure yeah I mean it's all
movable right it's fungible in all those
different ways I would assume
depends why can you go back to that the
allocation just a bit
well I think just you know when we get
into deeper dive on it I just I don't
have a whole lot of historical precedent
on you know what the intentions were
when we put buddies into the capital
fund what what we what the intentions
were when we put in the infrastructure
fund so I think understanding how those
budget or how those balances built to
where they are today and just ensure
that however we're slicing and dicing it
is consistent with
um those intentions of you know those
that
the council when they made the the put
the funds in those balances I think
that's just the piece that would be
helpful too yeah it feels yeah I mean it
just feels like maybe we're adding some
extra moving parts to this but I'm I'm
clearly not a finance type person but
when I look at it I'm kind of going okay
well
is that a good a good okay or a bad okay
I I think you're selling yourself short
no I'm just
well we do have three weeks before the
next council meeting we do have that
extra long break this time so you know
if we take that time and kind of look at
a couple different scenarios as to what
makes sense I think that would probably
be the smartest thing yeah no I'm just
throwing out some questions when I look
at it it's just we could just draft it
all as general fund and then if if you
guys I mean there's you could start you
know
however you feel comfortable and then
you can through the process and then I
mean there's I just I'm just looking at
you guys so if you're happy then I'm
kind of happy but I'm just asking you
know would that be any different or
better or worse or whatever
why don't why don't the three of us talk
in the next I'm glad you asked I was
Secure you over balance in the general
funds the end of the year
so
we
attended a 800 000 above uh projected
including taking out the it was at 1.4
but then some carry Force so
it conservatively 800 000. no 8 well 800
000 wasn't the carryover what was the
total carry-on oh five million five
million
funds seven million roughly
I'm sorry remind me again what's our
general fund budget annual budget 12 18
18 okay all right I mean 5 million is a
great number
uh you know so and that's I mean it's
important too it's not but you know when
when you're thinking about it it's just
if you take you know so the general fund
can clearly afford 1.7 million at the
same time it's much more likely that you
would put money
take money from the general fund and put
it into Capital infrastructure if those
are running too low then vice versa if
you you know so it may that I mean I
think that's an argument in favor of
splitting it up but again it is
philosophical yeah
we'll we'll keep thinking about it and
talk about it excellent any other
questions on this
that was 20 minutes so we'll be done
with this meeting by nine
excellent well that's good because this
is coming up so the next one in your
list is the uh tax abatement yeah so
there is the draft which is attached to
the agenda of a change to our tax
abatement policy back in 2000 and
something roughly 10 years ago we
created we we tweaked maybe it was 14.
uh we we tweaked our tax abatements to
be
um a standard 70 abatement on
residential units on Main Street but if
the average price
or value of the units sold in
development was 250 000 or less
and if the unit was at least 1500 square
feet then it applied it applied for 100
abatement and the logic at the time it
was like a rudimentary affordable
housing it was basically trying to
incentivize housing that would be
accessible to a greater number of people
than some of these luxury condos that we
were seeing being constructed on Main
Street
um you probably know that no development
has yet hit that Target so no nobody has
been able to get the 100 abatement and
there haven't been a ton of developments
um of housing in the intervening years
so we're taking a look at
adopting instead of that model which is
like I said kind of a rudimentary fairly
blunt force instrument for incentivizing
more accessible housing a model like
what Columbus has where they Reserve
their best abatements for mixed income
projects
specifically a model where if 10 of the
units are priced at 100 Ami
which would mean the average
the average uh household income it's no
more than 30 percent of their gross
income right the cost of housing for it
and then 10 of the units at 80 Ami
then those units would uh be able to get
100 of babe
um the way that we drafted the current
ordinance which I think has some good
legal questions so this is still a very
rough draft
um literally just takes Columbus's
language and drops it into our CRA
ordinance
and that is attached here so you can
kind of read about
what this language says
but this is this is the really the most
pertinent language right there
um
for the incentive
I'm proposing that we replace our
incentives entirely with this one tier
so that we no longer have a 70 incentive
we only have this one tier of incentive
which is if the housing meets this
um then it would it would be
able to have a residential tax abatement
this would only be on Main Main Street
currently the way drafted uh I'm sorry
not just Main Street the way drafted to
be Main Street Livingston and Cassidy
which is existing there is an existing
program for all three of those districts
today foreign
Livingston that would comply with this
but
um so this is a again a rough draft
uh Matt and I've been talking about it
and this would definitely affect the
project next door yeah and unlike zoning
which you know whenever they put forward
a proposal the zoning that exists at
that time is in effect you you
absolutely can continue to tweak
incentives packages until you know a
project is eligible for them
um I do think it would be really smart
to at least get this started uh by the
end of the month so that the development
Community who has been told by the way
that we're working on this would at
least have some you know just some
knowledge it's in the work it's in the
works and it's
um something for them to shoot for
talking to developers there's like
pretty high level Comfort it seems like
with this model
um even enthusiasm I would say speaking
with uh you know we've had a lot of
developers talking about that site some
of the developers that you might say wow
those are the ones that are doing really
cool projects in Columbus are like yes
this is a it's a understate program we
get and it's actually a very good
program what they like about it is
um no one knows you know which unit is
getting that is getting that slightly
reduced rent
um and it's sort of a good equalizer and
it creates a more vibrant development so
so I'm going to suggest that maybe you
met Klingler and I get together here
in the next week or two because I have a
lot of questions as as I mentioned that
I think are very answerable I just don't
know all the answers or some of the
details so
yeah I was sure you're leaving town
I'll meet you at the airport where are
you going
until it was warm enough it's like okay
we've arrived
so we have quarter first quarter on this
um clearly the first quarter is coming
up pretty quick yeah so
um can we can we safely assume that if
we have something in place you know
second quarter by the you know before we
go on our um summer break is that a
reasonable period of time for us to look
at this and and come up with some sort
of plan
spring break is in like two no I'm
saying before we go on our summer break
like
July
yeah I think I thought you wanted it I
think he's ready for reading okay
actually the next meeting okay certainly
okay so yeah suggest before spring break
so there the rfps are due April 11th on
that site it would be really nice to at
least have something going through the
pro the fantastic
um
any are there any like concerns with
that model or or just the concept of
mixed income I just say that I I really
I really love it uh I know Ryan's been
bringing the energy on this sort of
thing for the past few years and uh you
know the volume just keeps getting
louder and louder from everywhere I
think in Ohio and probably the nation
and when you start to see something like
this where there's a Confluence between
uh what you know developers and the city
would like to do or are eager to do I
think that's a winner you know
sure
Just One Last Time One Last Time as the
mayor said this is pretty much copy and
paste from Columbus so I think our you
know a lot of the due diligence has been
done by them but I think to tweak it for
us just to make sure it's right for us
um
is the right thing to do so yeah I think
we can get it out quickly
exciting fantastic it has like yeah I
should say the Columbus version is like
10 times longer than this so it has it's
been streamlined a little bit but yeah
for sure and Mark and I are discussing
like maybe even
you know we have these we have the Main
Street the Cassidy and Livingston
District maybe we should just unify it
all so it's like in these areas but we
need to figure out yeah how to do that
so
um okay the next two items are going to
need more presentation from Andy and the
water department
uh but
the water meter replacement I just want
you all to be aware that our current
meters
are approaching 20 plus years old and
they're going to need to be replaced um
we have started
uh to start to plan for that and Eric
pointed out to me that our pierced
cities do not charge for meter
Replacements at the end of life
the cost of which I don't currently have
at my fingertips would be helpful but it
is not cheap
um and and that is not related to the
next line item but they are both related
in that I would like the service
department to be at the table presenting
it's not me
um which is that
EPA standards are changing for lead lead
lines
understandably we don't have lead uh
water mains but we do have lead some
lead connections to our water mains
Columbus treats the water system with a
with an additive that helps suppress
lead as an issue in the water but
nonetheless
um
there's a push to get all the lead in
the system out the EPA is defining
galvanized lines so many of our lines
are galvanized service lines as lead
lines even though they're not lead
that's important to know so because they
call it a lead line because if it has
had if it has had water that might have
had lead in it galvanized doesn't
Galvanize retains that in a different
way than copper so copper is not treated
as a lead line galvanized is galvanized
lines also just coincidentally are the
ones that most often would fail at this
point in time because they don't they
don't last as long mineral deposits
build up in them they're also prone to
breakage
so the EPA is requiring that we replace
a certain percentage of lead lines in
our city every year starting in 2024.
um
the important thing to note is they're
requiring that we replace
not that we but that they be replaced
and most of those lines are private
lines they're not the city's lines so
we're going to come up with a way to
nudge people to replace their water
lines in order to be compliant with EPA
standards that is as far as I'm going to
go with this presentation just to say we
need that presentation
um we have a lot of options we've talked
a lot about different things we could do
internally but we need to bring those to
you and it probably will look just
previewcoming attractions something like
maybe are a sewer line Loan program
where it's kind of an assessment based
thing when these water lines are getting
replaced so the cities and bearing the
cost long term of those water lines
um for the most part with asterisks and
subject to conversation so uh preview of
Coming Attractions and that would I'd
like to upload of that okay
great
should give some early bird
Mr klingler's involvement then I think
uh lorian and Matt and Andy and Eric and
I can meet and then we'll we'll bring
them once we only if he wears ties to
all the meetings yeah
yeah
it's hard to say no with them
uh you'll be hearing a lot more about
electrical aggregation today actually
because we had an RFP that was responded
to and so
um there's competing one pagers between
the auditor and myself about aggregation
we'll use yours nice oh they're both
they're different and good okay yeah
uh
so that's I don't think we need to focus
too much on that right now
um online stormwater competing on-site
stormwater treatment this has kind of
become a
uh passion side projects of mine which
is like increasing our standards for uh
additions and new new builds when it
comes to uh downspouts drainage of storm
water Hardscape and properties you know
we're adding if you think about like as
we've dealt with sewer capacity issues
and back to sleep you think about Bexley
in 1927 and what the roof lines look
like at that time at that point in time
and it was very different from what they
look like today so we've been adding and
adding and adding and adding
roof space and Hardscape and
there's one property in particular I
think of that I've visited during
flooding that just is like all Hardscape
and even though Arizona is supposed to
take care of that it's not always great
at it and um
so both looking at the hard surface
requirements in our zoning but also how
we're treating storm water anytime
anyone's added onto their house a
significant addition or building a new
house there are some models for
requiring on-site storage of water that
then gets kind of released more slowly
after a storm event
or and or rain Gardens or swales or rain
barrels so
um I don't know if you guys have
appetite for that that's typically
something that's regulated in sites that
are an acre or larger in the building
code this would extend it to smaller
sites because we don't have that many
sites that are naked or larger so
basically we're ignoring this issue in
our community because we have smaller
sites
um
I would love to be on that I'm
passionate about the same project cool
any any thoughts about that okay
commercial leaf removal
um we're getting into like the more like
brainstorming sessions part of this
commercial leaf removal uh
you know when you look at timing of you
know you guys start to reach out
probably in October November being like
okay when's this going to be done I'm
getting people complaining and we look
at what is holding up our leaf removal
and a lot of it has to do with
properties where there are super
efficient landscape companies that come
through and pile massive amounts of
leaves on the curb and it takes our
crews a long time to get through those
properties and so I'm putting this out
here as an idea and communities that
don't offer relief pickup service which
is most of central Ohio those landscape
Crews need to remove the leaves off the
property
um and so a question that I would ask is
is it reasonable to say that if you're
having your leaves commercially
collected that they be removed as
opposed to left of the curb
so yeah some do ours does but many don't
well since it's working we're
spitballing here I mean my concern is
how do you differentiate I don't know
because we don't have it it's me up
there raking right so I don't know I
mean but I'm just gonna keep on raking
them out there until somebody gets them
and it might be a lot by the time that
they get to me because I know they're
getting around there's a bit of patience
I'd be more interested to see is do we
want to try to find funds to hire
additional
private Crews to come around to help
during the busy months as opposed to
potentially trying to force us upon
those that I mean I think it'd be a
really tough
so but of course it on who like force on
the people who you know they hire a
service to come out and rake them and
they just leave them there and they need
to say oh we can't get them because they
didn't take them away so what's our real
argument here when they say no no that
was me on Sunday you know that was I was
I think it wouldn't that's the way I
would Envision enforcing it is that if
if code enforcement observes the
landscape crew like leaving leaves then
they could enforce again sorry not just
football sure but is that a good usage
event our code enforcements time and
would it make more sense to again see if
there's more feasible issue for private
pickup to assist during those heavier
months when we start falling so we have
um one sec we have we have seasonal
Crews that come in so we are bolstering
our careers in order to do that uh the
same commercial Crews that are
like scurrying around to help people's
properties would be at high demand for
us I don't think it would be cost
efficient for us to do that I would just
again add that like if they're working
in anywhere in Columbus they're removing
those leaves so if they're working in
any many of the suburbs they're removing
leaves it's not like it would be
differentiating
um and it really is you know when you
are raking your leaves or I'm raking my
leaves maybe you some of you are better
than I am but like I'm raking kind of
like little like I'm I'm handling it as
time comes I'm not like blowing every
single Square centimeter of the property
out so that there's this gigantic pile
and those massive piles
like I watch the cruise they get mired
on the streets that have the larger like
lots with more landscape service and
then for example I don't want to be
geographist so I'm not going to I'm not
going to point out parts of the city
where the leaf removal process is much
faster because they're not they don't
have the same commercial Crews that
they're
you know picking up after so
yeah
I mean I think we have to remember we're
in Arboretum you know and so we have a
lot of leaves and I I would be curious
to know per I mean in order to identify
as an arboretum you have to have so many
trees which is so many leaves right so
we probably have I would guess more than
average for our size
um so I do agree with Sam in regards to
I it could get tricky to like identify
between the two and here's why yeah we
do have a service but we also do our own
so we're there's so many leaves that you
know
and I love a leaf blower and I am
blowing those out on my own and so that
would be you know it would I think I
think a lot of people
run into that like maybe they have a
one-month service that helps but then
you you know to get you in a good place
but then you're also doing your own so
it could get tricky well I I feel like
enforcement would honestly be probably
the minimal piece of this it would be
registration of landscapers so if you're
it kind of gets into the next idea is if
you're registered to the landscape or
landscape professional we in which we
require registration for many other
types of contractors it would be a
standard that they would understand and
sign off on that's like if you are
servicing leaves you need to remove
off-site
um and then the question would be is
somebody properly registered and doing
what they're supposed to do
so we do that all the time with other
trades and other Concepts
this is uh
just to brainstorm it's really not
obviously a burning issue
um it's just one of those things that
every year it's like you know it takes
sometimes it took us a month to get
through one sector of the city this year
because of the it just happened that the
leaves fell more quickly this year at
the single time and then
again there's just
um on the on a particular area of the
city there's greater preponderance of
landscape Crews professional Crews that
are getting those leaves out very
quickly and promptly to the curb and
then really slowing down the our crews I
do like the idea of letting them know
that maybe we have a policy in place if
you are working in Bexley here's our
requirements which we do for
developers contractors so this would be
similar as what you're kind of saying
for a leaf collection and pickup I know
that a lot of times they may a company
may come through and do a handful of
leaves and so the piles look really big
and they don't come back with the VAC
for a day or two depending on
so it doesn't always mean that just
because the leaves were blown that day
that they're actually being backed right
that's right so
this plays into the next line item which
is the tree commission would love for
you to consider a registration of
landscapers that do work around City
trees that they get registered and they
understand standards around City trees
which include
um most mostly what they like to talk
about is
so yes
the two go to potentially go hand in
hand uh but the idea that if you're
working on a city tree or around a city
tree that you have to follow certain
standards of care for that tree because
of health concerns down the road
which I think is
makes sense but it is a whole nother
layer so you would really be asking
landscape professionals to do something
they're not currently doing which is
registering and just Echo massage we are
an arboretum there you go okay okay so
who who loves this to work on this one
yeah this one kind of I guess it'd be
really important to differentiate
between landscape and like mowing Crews
because Boeing Crews have blowers and
they do blow leads in the fall after you
go I wouldn't want to be
um
you know a burden to small businesses
like small you know the mowing
Crews that go you know there's companies
that all they do is mow and then they go
blow and they might blow some leaves and
then are they in violation or you know
whatever I I don't want to penalize the
company and have them not working
vaccine because that's why I think the
registration would be yeah I'm sorry I'm
just saying I think it's important if we
go that route I just wanted to say that
so make sure we
I'm generally not in favor of all this
but I I be happy to work on this one
because I was going to say before for
adjusted that um
I I know of a man who does maybe three
houses in Bexley and that's his
livelihood and I don't know that he has
the capacity to
and I don't I I'm just curious yeah I
mean we have the same issues when like
an electrician I've had electricians
come to my house before and and I've
asked them are you registered at the
city because I need to make sure that
they're pulling a permit and like I
don't do I don't work here that often
but they still do need to get registered
like that is a common occurrence
I understand Landscaping is a lower
lower uh profit margin business perhaps
but I think for tree care it's kind of
easy it's an easy delineation are you
are you touching the trees the city
trees and if so
you need to be registered and that's I
think that's pretty fair that is fair
the way that we solved that same kind of
concern with the draft noise hours
working hours ordinance because it does
establish a uh standard for
um the use of small engines as a concept
as we said we basically had a carve out
where if it's it was really designed
around like the neighborhood kid that's
doing work that if you're if it's not I
think I don't remember exactly how we
worded it but we carved out the
neighborhood kid doing the work which
isn't the same as carving out the
smaller business small small business
but it does kind of there are ways to
potentially
like help the the real small Crews that
don't have bigger operations
well two just add on to what you said
that's why I think the registration
piece is so important because I think
then you if if we were to move forward
on this if you're registering companies
and you understand kind of their ability
their capability to to do uh the work we
can potentially have some sort of you
know
um what's the word I'm looking for
distinction you know if it's a small
mom-and-pop the guy who does our grass
does a lot of people in the community he
blows our leaves but he doesn't have the
capacity to take them away but a bigger
company would so maybe we could work in
if we were to go for it the registration
we could work in some sort of you know
delineation based on how big a company
is just a thought
I think we should urge you to start
using electricians that pull the proper
paperwork and stuff I do that too okay
thank you I sounded like a mission to
guilt no no that that particular
electrician uh was the only one I could
think of that I I made him pull the
permit so he gave him got registered I
was sending a text to Dave right now
I'm above floors
all right trash picking ordinance uh
this is brought To Us by the esac and
Elizabeth Allman currently it is illegal
to pick through anything that's been
left at the curb and so just the concept
that we make it uh make it legal to do
that and and one of the ideas we had was
a very simple
labeling system that would basically say
this is
free for the taking
um a concern concern the historical
concern is that people might wander
around taking things
pretending that's because they got on
the curb that was what in the past has
fueled that it's happened I mean there's
a resident whose mower got taken out of
the front yard during the last uh for
sale free cycle
yeah so that does you know that is
but uh just making it so there's like a
legal legal route to
we all right there is admission of Guild
here I I recently took a uh a gaming
chair that was left at in the alley for
my son and it was like unused like
untouched he was so happy broke the law
right but I also diverted something from
the landfill
so
just a thought well I have justifies the
means
we have a lot of people I would like a
show of hands for anyone who's never
taken something from the curb in Bexley
ever yeah
well lorian that's just philosophical
thing for you she's like
the alley behind our house has so many
people driving up and down in trucks and
and I just I don't if it's out on the
curb my my attitude is if you want it
and you can follow it away have at it so
if we can do something where we're not
like creating some sort of situation
where those people are now you know
breaking some sort of law rule in our
city I I'm on I would I would love to
work on this I think when we lived on
Drexel our neighbors and we would bet
how fast whatever it was good that we
left
well there was nothing better than that
circular economy it doesn't give her not
a receiver oh yeah can I ask about this
one though is this truly something that
it's in our so I guess right now it's
where it's preventing it but nobody's
enforcing it so not as far as I know but
it has been enforced before okay by the
police okay and it can bring up I mean
it also have some issues as well I see
where that goes and I I get that I just
okay so when do we have the last time
and can we get a stance on
what you do need to stand I'll find out
at least what their current stance on I
just don't want to do something that's
unnecessary if it's there used to be a
focus of the on this quite a bit and
there was I remember there's one like
resident who would do you remember this
believe it or not the very first time
that I ran for Council I sat and this
man I think it's the same one you're
talking about for like 45 minutes in his
family room as he told me the benefits
of
changing that long oh no no this is
somebody who would be different track
the junkers send the police their
license plate numbers here's what I saw
oh like detailed like I sure hope you're
following up on this this is the fourth
time I've seen this truck it always
comes around so like a very like Waste
Management well Sam I will say the very
first ride-along I ever went on somebody
got pulled over for trash picking so I
mean that was three years ago yeah okay
it's not that far the best so Jen's
enforcing mixed emotions about that one
well I think it was at her insistence
right yeah Jen Robinson
backyard mosquitoes spray regulation
um
yeah I seems like we need another year
on that that's what I took away from me
well I think it's I would love to see an
ordinance at least requires the
applicators to notify adjacent
properties okay that's it
that's fine yeah just say I'll bring it
up with an export of Health make sure
okay
cool
and then there's other stuff on here
that's not highlighted
um a couple were added
this is a fun one just to read this
wired article about how cities and
states are eliminating parking ratios
and zoning and why
um I recommend reading that article
somebody added traffic common in
speeding areas and city-wide Wi-Fi those
are the two that were added I think uh
traffic coming
I'm not sure if anyone wants that I mean
obviously we're doing a lot of traffic
coming I'm not sure how that fits into
legislation unless it's like a
lowering speed limit legislation or
which we can't do unfortunately Mark has
already
Mark has already uh ruined that for us
nice yeah I've ruined that by reading
the law
everybody advice who don't ask me not
one thing it's better to ask for
forgiveness and permission exactly yeah
yeah
I've not yet seen a model that makes any
sense for us from a feasibility
perspective like just the cost to
implement is much greater than what you
and I pay for our service at home
um we've looked we used to we have
previously applied for a grant for the
Wi-Fi Main Street
um one of the comments back from The
Entity granting potentially granting the
grant was that the businesses that for
people congregate tend to have Wi-Fi
provided anyways it's not like there's a
real deep value that
um but happy to talk about it I just the
cities that I've talked to that have it
it's kind of been a bit of a
this hasn't been it hasn't been what you
might think
how does I don't even know because how
is it going in Dublin
so I I also don't know that I think the
Dublin way 10 years ago put it in place
to help their Police Department
extensively
yeah like we have you know you have LTE
modems that that are much less lower
cost for infrastructure provide the same
so there's rates going on
and they're like 30 degrees Yeah and
these are actually my parents my friends
parents who brought it up and then
uh
the people around the Next Generation
heard it and said oh my gosh our rates
are going up too that would be great
so can you look into it so uh during
covid we studied Broadband specifically
to how like areas that had lower access
in general
um and we studied multiple models one
would be to wire units uh which was less
expensive in like apartment complexes
where you can get to like a lot of units
and also like localized Wi-Fi where you
would essentially send Wi-Fi into those
units the cost to do that was still
greater than the cost to get just the
the base plan from Wow or spectrum they
are statutorily required to offer a 30
rate
and that level of service is better than
what any of us had like five years ago
it's what I have in my house it's really
good so just that's maybe something to
let people know about if we were to do
it every thing I've ever looked at we
would have to charge more than 30 a
month Spectrum or whatever I guess
that's what you're actually involve
I'll talk to you more about because it's
more that that's what they were
discussing right it was thirty dollars
so the federal government
a couple years ago worst they don't
necessarily advertise it but the
carriers were forced to offer that level
of service at that rate and I think
um that would be a good thing the
communication piece maybe to go to the
community and also I've said things that
this did I asked before and then turned
out to be inaccurate so
it's possible that what I heard a year
ago is no longer correct
I can do that research because we have
the contacts because when we were
working with um
what we started to do was work directly
with Wow which is now
Breeze line or something
um to say can we just contract with you
for these households directly and and in
doing so we found that like this this
federally mandated rate was
favorable
all right we have uh three minutes left
so in the interest of what we got
through all the highlighted pieces so
excellent
um is there anything of the of the
non-highlighted items that anybody would
like to have a quick conversation about
and if not can I ask that everybody take
a minute over the next you know well we
have three weeks before the next break
so during that break
um look through those unhighlighted
items and see if there's anything that
really speaks to you I know the one
thing that um we had started working on
that kind of we haven't been for a while
is the noise and working hours ordinance
which is something that is interesting
to me and um yeah and um right with with
lorianne so that might be something we
could Circle back in but there's
anything that jumps off the page is
something that you feel passionate about
and you'd really like to move forward on
um please feel free to throw your name
on that list and um get with the people
that you would need to to uh to get
going
do you have any uh last minute thoughts
I appreciate it thank you for humoring
yes no thank you for putting this
together it's just I think was really
helpful yeah thanks and Troy thanks for
uh letting me have your seat just for
fun yeah good work I did it