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114 Suzanne you want to turn on your mic
thanks I will repeat that we will call
to order the July 11th 2024 beity
Architectural Review board meeting and
we will call the
role uh Mr H here Mr Scott here Mr Cal
and Madame Tony here um and I will make
a note we have a new board member
Stephen Calhoun um who is an alternate
and will be sitting in with us
periodically welcome thank you and we
also have Matt Kingler who is our new
city director of building and plan
building zoning building zoning and this
is Kathy's last official Kathy's last
meeting ARB meeting ARB well come to
beap it'll be
yes well Welcome Matt thank you and we
will be sad to see Kathy Co
yes uh okay um there the next thing
would be approval of minutes and I did
not see any minutes so we will skip that
and we will do that in the next
meeting uh is there anyone in the
audience that would like to do uh
anything on a public comment which would
be on something that is not before the
board tonight so if it's if you wanted
to talk to us about something that's not
on the agenda can raise your
hand okay seeing nothing we will go
straight to Old
business um so the first application is
number Bap 24-9 the address is 129 South
cassingham the applicant is Brenda
Parker the owner is John and Stacy
Barnard the applicant is Seeking a
recommendation to be at for a
certificate of appropriateness to allow
second and third floor additions as well
as single story Edition at the South
this application was tabled at the May
and June ARB meeting
if you want you can come forward we'll
swear you
in please raise your right hand andent
turn on your microphone please the
little button just the button in the
center got it okay your name Brenda
Parker do you Solly swear orir the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth I do thank
you okay um this application was before
us
in April May June we had a little
hiccup Brenda wasn't here so um here we
are picking up again from um so there's
been really three iterations of this and
I actually did a on my staff report
which I can also put up here did a um
side by side of just the front elevation
because that's really what the subject
of the conversation whoops sorry was um
at the board and you can see that the
one um under June on your far right is
the latest iteration of the front what
the board and Brenda were struggling
with was how to um treat that roof over
the
bay um other than that the the details
had been pretty much worked out um
you're back and not on consent because
we still had some some comments you know
um uh there was not consensus from the
board that they still want to kind of
talk through this this piece so that's
where we are um I can pull up any of the
history but that's that's the
summary okay you can see all the nodding
yeah yeah so I mean when you look at the
existing house it's quirky you know the
way that all those roof lines and
different Bays come together and um
there's a lot of other
quirky attributes in Bexley and this may
be one of those are as where we just
have to kind of uh live with a little
bit of
quirkiness
so is there anything else you want to
say you want to go straight to straight
to questions yeah I think yeah we just
kind of weigh in and and see how we feel
about this latest where we're kind of
tucking that bay roof under the the main
roof
line okay is there a board member that
would like to go first I will since I'm
probably the one that reason why you're
here um and I'll say that for every
applicant tonight but uh I really just
wanted to talk through this window
because I really like the window that
you had before in this uh side you know
above the bay okay condition and it just
it just feels it doesn't have this it
just doesn't feel right to me okay you
know do you do you put two side by side
is there another way that you can
you know arrange that or do something it
just doesn't look right okay what did I
have before a taller window well that's
because you had the roof overlap High
exactly okay okay this
one right and that one's
tucked right so I'm not sure what
happened yeah I think I was just
studying different window configurations
there isn't any reason why it couldn't
go back to oh something similar to that
is it because you decided to you know do
more stuff here or you changed the slope
of this roof I think I might have
changed the slope a little
bit but I should be able to kind of do
that rafter taab detail and the longer
overhang and still get that taller
window Incorporated okay I didn't know
if there was that's why I wanted it here
because I wanted to know if there was
some constraint that was forcing you
into this little window no I was just
you know trial and a was like two
windows or but if you can go back to the
what was this the the the May yeah
may I mean that's just going to look so
much better I'm good with that okay
that's all I had um can you explain that
I got it but I want so I can read it in
the findings to to um reconfigure the
window above on the bay the double hung
to make it a double hung
like with Flor sh shed the second floor
double hung on the East elevation above
the bay
window that was it working too many
different thank you for that Brenda yeah
is there another board member that would
like to speak about this application I'm
gonna go back to your whole design
presentation that you started tonight
and stating that in B there's Corky
designs and this is
Corky great like that Mr h comment that
uh doing a little bit longer window get
single double hung or single hung
there I would be a little less uh weird
for that proportion
but you know I think you could argue
looking back at all of these you know
the reasons why you did what you did I
think they're all they're all balanced
smart I think that the going back to the
original I think it's important to note
that we felt there was a hierarchy
because of the importance of the the
portch on this house and I think that's
maintained in the current design so I
think um I think you done a really good
job of trying
to push the the project along and try to
find that solution and I think it's been
a difficult one and it's it's a little
quirky but I think that's great so thank
you for coming back and okay support
this Mr Calhoun do you have any
comments um I have nothing to add either
I think it looks much better thank you
for coming back and working through all
the
details um Okay so we will read the
findings the findings of fact and
decision of the board for application
number bc- 24-9 property located at 129
South
cassingham for the proposed improvements
which are second and third floor
editions and a one-story
Edition the architecture review board
recommends to the board of zoning and
planning approval of a c certificate of
appropriateness with the
condition that the the applicant
reconfigure the second floor window
above the bay window on the East
Elevation do you understand the findings
effect yes um before I take a vote is
there anyone in the audience that would
like to speak about this
application seeing none is there a board
member that will move to approve so move
so moved higher second
Scott I will call the
Mr Scott yes Mr hire yes Mr Calhoun yes
madame Tony yes thank you you are
approved thank
you thanks
Brenda our next order of business is new
business we have application number arb2
24-21 the address is 2607 Sherwood the
applicant is Ari Newman and the owner is
Ari Newman the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
two-story Edition to the rear of the
principal
structure Kathy can swear you
in please state your name Ari Newman do
you somly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I affirm thank
you okay um Karen might have a little
bit of background on this and then
she'll ask we'll just ask you to present
I really don't have any background on
this case it's before the board for the
first time um this application is for a
a a replacement of an
existing or you're building up so but
it's okay
um from that's basically from that back
wall that's more like the that's a back
door so it's going to come out two
floors and fold into the are the
previous Edition that the previous owner
did so it's an addition to the
addition um
I have a I have a few concerns um one is
that and I think I heard some board
members share the same concern is that
we try very hard not to have any of the
new peaks of the house the top of the
ridge line be higher than the original
house and um currently it's peeking over
it so very very there but it very
slightly I have to probably be at an
elevation point of the people across the
street to be able to see that it's very
very slight but yes right so I'll just
be pointing some things out and then the
board will discuss yep um and uh
additionally I just want to confirm what
materials are where and how it all
Blends together with the existing house
um we would like very much for the home
to you know additions to complement or
BL I I I don't want to settle in a word
compliment blend you know they can be
very different but still compliment the
house um so we probably should talk
about materials they seemed I mean you
can Envision this being two totally
separate houses kind of put together so
I want to just be assured that we are
using materials window shapes treatments
trim Etc that all tie it all together um
but I will leave it to if you'd like to
explain or you know do any more
presentation or we can just go to the
board discussion I mean is there's I can
clarify all those little pieces if you
want or you can just talk about your the
Your Design um yeah so the meaning the
the the base of the house was Stone um
and we love the stone and we're going to
keep the stone and then the thing that
was always part of the house was the
slight small sections that are white um
if you look at the front of the house
the front of the house there's like a
wood shingle in that little window area
and then the other areas are more um
Sleek white it's like wood painted over
with white something like that um so I
have children I have three kids and uh
we play sports in the back and so uh the
wood shingles
is not great um because every time a
ball goes over one of our heads another
shingle gets cracked gets chipped gets
something um so we thought that going
with the white vinyl would be pretty
similar to what the house has been um
our neighbors recently put like a white
vinyl with their they also have stone um
so it looks very nice um and
so basically it would the front of the
house would look very similar to how it
is right now except that instead of
having a wood shingle would be a vinyl
shingle and then we would basically do
vinyl shingle on the whole back of the
house to tie in to make sure that it was
um all the same um the plan was also to
redo the roof and to redo the down
spouts because those have gotten beat up
over the years so since we're doing all
the work in the back of the house roof
the front roof also even though it's not
so old but because we had a lot of trees
we have some moss growing on our roof so
we want to we don't have any leaks thank
God but we figured if we're going to do
this we should do it right and get it
all
fresh that
clarifies awesome thank you is there a
board member that would like to go
first uh I will um so when I saw the
design I appreciate the effort to to you
know keep the peak as close as possible
yeah but the issue is really not just
the peak it's the proportion of the
additions you know especially that back
elevation and how it's a different kind
of proportion than what you have on the
rest of your house your existing house
so typically what we see is you know
with this kind of sort of cottage style
house is that you break down the sort of
large rectangular forms you know on your
side elevations a little bit more um so
how do you do that there's lots of ways
you can do that one is to you know
consider that the ceiling inside of the
second story is shaped and not flat um
and then you can pull the roof down and
you might create things like you know
Dormers or wall Dormers instead of just
having the windows running under the Eve
so this elevation in particular yeah
right
it looks like you have lots of room here
to pull this down if you're willing to
shape the ceiling inside of that room or
whatever is going on up on that second
floor then you've taken care of this a
lot of other Architects will pull this
down even to this point and then create
you know a dormer which is obviously
more cost right and I can appreciate um
you know those concerns and I do I do
like that you've tied this in with a
skirt which breaks down you know the
this two-story elevation but I think if
you pulled this roof down more and and
considered shaping the ceiling even if
it was just clipped inside you know
because my house does this like my
master bedroom has just a clip that's
probably a foot and a half long but it
it helps the the addition to not drive
the um the scale of the house anymore so
right now what's happening is this is
driving the scale and this is secondary
but that's not what you want you want
your beautiful Stone House to be the
primary driver in the look of the house
so that's one suggestion if you go to
the back
elevation this form is not the language
of your house so is there a way to you
know maybe this becomes a hip or there's
another way to break this down also so
right now you just have a Gable and you
you've you've reduced the slope um the
you know uh this is pretty shallow but
if you were to if you were able to bring
this Ridge down and then bring this over
you might wind up being able to hip that
so that the roof continues On The Backs
side right instead of taking all this
siding up here now you're talking about
you know elevation window siding that's
now more in scale with the original
house and I don't know I don't think it
would take much to do that it's just it
would help to break this down a little
bit more instead of being so so tall and
with lots of area of siding those those
are really my only
comments is there another board that
member that would like to go
next sure uh I agree uh with everything
Mr hire said um I think pulling that
roof down um so that the the ridge isn't
higher than the original house is
critical
uh and in doing that you will create
some break of the eaves as that massing
comes off of the as the addition comes
off the existing house uh at each of the
windows I also would be interested in
you exploring um some of the proportions
of the windows to the to the Gable so
you go to the front elevation real quick
and again it's your your roof slope is
is not nearly as dramatic as the the
front or the uh even the existing um
or the side of the house can you go the
side
elevation there so those two windows
that are kind of pushed up into that
Gable on the end of the the stone facade
is is quite unique and is appropriate
for the style of architecture uh that's
totally lost in the addition right and I
do agree that the skirt between the
floors and the roof is nice um it helps
break that large mass down um but I
think that the the original house has
being dominated by the mass of this
Edition so the only way to really
balance that out is to get the roof the
eve down get the rigin line down and
then also look at your rear elevation
and the proportions of that window and
how that's working with that hopefully
shed roof because I also agree with that
direction
um but other than that I think it's and
I was looking at your floor plan I think
I understand the floor plan and the and
the need of why you're doing this um so
I I can support that I think it's just a
massing exercise size of you know just
continuing developing breaking down the
competition of this big Mass addition on
the back of this aage ask a
question um so do you know so if I were
to bring down and have those arcs inside
and then do something over those windows
do you know like because again I've been
very costc conscious I've been uh saving
money for a bunch of years I'm a rabby I
don't make tons of money um we uh our
first home we sold and and that money is
basically the seed money to be to do
these projects so I have no concept
about how much more your suggestion was
and just do you have any sense of what
that would look like were you were you
planning on using trusses for the roof
structure yeah okay so the truss
companies can make a truss that actually
has a little Outrigger okay that will
come down further than the ceiling
height so instead of having a perfect
triangle they actually take the bottom
cord and it moves up and then you have
the tails on them so the cost for the is
just the inside right so the cost is
really just the what you say you were
saying that it might be a little bit
more drall yeah it' be it'd be the
drywall finishes you know things like
that that's fine okay and then the hip
roof you know the truss they can make
hip trusses too so when you wrap at the
back they simply create trusses that
kind of go down in size as they get
towards the or they go they go up in
size as they get towards the ridge okay
um but the Trust Company can handle all
of that okay yeah so it's it's really
just the finishes and then you decide
how how far down you want to bring that
um I mean this is going to this is going
to drive a lot of it right and you might
wind up having uh some kind of Dormer
here um that's a little more cost
because that has to be stick framed but
not a lot I mean you're not talking
about another window you're not talking
about a different header you're just
talking about a series of little Rafters
that are going to tie into your to your
trusses I got it so but that's all
okay that yeah I agreed and I think your
hip roof is going to save you some money
on the from the Gable end from the labor
and the work of trimming all that and
the fact that you're bringing this down
you're just going to have less square
footage of sighting you know Al together
yeah so it might it might be it might be
the same yeah great
okay anything else thank you Mr
Calhoun I would agree
I'm gonna throw the Newbie card on that
one good so I I would agree with
everything that's been stated so far um
I do have a question of um materials if
you could just clarify that a little bit
more yeah go to uh okay this one is fine
so the new material on the back uh that
you're doing at the upper what's on the
lower will be replaced with that as well
correct yeah okay and so so everything
that's shown in Gray will all be the
same material it's going to be white
yeah it's be a white a white vinyl side
it will be white okay great because that
was my other comment is I think the
color of at least it's shown here is the
gray yeah I felt like it was fighting
with the house and when I looked at the
front elevation and saw that white I was
like that's what it should be yeah yeah
I agree it's supposed to be white can I
ask a question yeah do what's the
thickness of your sighting is it a 4
inch is it a going with CU right now
your sighting is pretty thick yeah yeah
so I think it's going to I think it's
going to be thinner I don't remember if
it's I mean honestly if you tell me the
specific sighting is better I can go
with that it doesn't bothering me
whatever's like the nicest cheapest
option is probably what I'm looking at
honestly like if if you haven't seen a
theme oh I have a question about de
sding also because um when you're
talking about durability I worry a
little bit about the vinyl and whether
that will hold up did have you looked
into the Hardy product that they're like
a cement board they're still you know
you can paint them in different colors
and they look like sing but they they
hold up I think better than vinyl and
they certainly look better on a long
wall because you don't have the seams so
we we I talked to some contractors and
everyone gives me different answer as to
what's going to be better at holding up
and worse at holding up when you have
children throwing stuff at the at the
side of the house
um again like um my my uh my my instinct
is that vinyl is easier to find replace
make sure it stays looking good um
but H yeah that's basically been we've
been back and forth about exactly what
the siding should be but um all we knew
is that the wood siding was a bad idea
because it keeps on
chipping right I I think as my uh
opinion on that as a board member is
that very rarely would I ever choose
vinyl over almost any other product
that's out there um for the way that it
looks it looks like plastic so and I
I've had problems with in in past houses
with vinyl where it got hit I ended up
with a hole in the vinyl and replacing a
whole wall of it was it was not cheap
yeah the other thing to consider about
vinyl is that it doesn't take long for
it to become brittle because of its
exposure to ultraviolet radiation so the
kids throw a ball at it and it will
crack I mean they'll probably be much
older by the time that it gets to that
point but the other thing to consider on
um on vinyl is um that you
know
uh it doesn't it the longevity of it is
one issue the other issue is its color
retention so vinyl tends to to because
the UV it tends to wash out over time
and when you go to replace something
that gets
broken the replacement doesn't match in
color exactly now if you're white if
you're using white you probably have a
better chance of matching than if you
were using gray those are just things to
consider understood um and the truth is
is that I like the overwhelming majority
of the house is invisible um for most
people like I mean the there's like a I
don't know that one window in the front
which is going to be affected in the
front view everything else is pretty far
back
um but I know we steamrolled over Mr
kin's comments so I want to make sure we
get back to them but I think no I'm I'm
on board with everything character
character of thei character of the thick
siding does help this the additions in
the house right and I went to a 4inch
vinyl I think that would greatly reduce
the quality look of the house okay I get
the product I had I had an asbest cement
board rather than South back SE and I
think did he touch it it was crack so I
get it it was it was hard um and that
was a special space so I didn't want to
really kind of touch it too much um so I
I would really pay attention to your
selection of the vinyl product right and
and
really not go the cheapest route
possible because it's something you're
gonna have to look at every day yeah and
something that you can be proud of I
wasn't trying to pick that it's the
cheapest nicest It's a combination is in
that product category for being the most
affordable sighting mat I mean spent
board sighting is definitely more
expensive um but I think the scale of
this is is is nice right I think looking
at even the addition is you know the
Banning of the the sighting is it's
oversized which I think gives character
to that and it's brought up on the over
overly large dorm on the front of the
house yeah um so it's it's working
together that's gonna stay I assume
correct siding on the front of the house
on the Dormer second floor you think it
should keep the the wood siding there I
figured I should change it so that it
was all the uniform no I'm asking you
are changing it I mean the plan was to
change it to keep the house so that
would make I thought it would make more
sense to keep it all the same you do
have one issue with that you don't mind
please you have open corners and with
vinyl you can't do open Corners like
that there has to be a corner board
meaning a vertical board that the vinyl
dies into before you turn the corner so
it's going to change the look completely
on the Dormer that's and this these have
a lot of character in my opinion and the
open Corners we actually on my house
Edition in South Bexley we actually um
did aluminum siding because that's what
the house had originally but we we
actually had them make the open Corners
which a lot of a lot of contractors
don't know how to do anymore that's not
common but this is a particular look
it's common to Beckley and I would you
know ask that you retain that I would
too yeah I wouldn't change that so even
if I'm putting regular VY sighting in
the back it's separated enough that I
think it's fine okay yeah it's it's a
Unique Piece it's it's you know if you
came in with that I'd say it's too big
but I kind of like it now so it's
big if you let us look at this house
long enough we're GNA start to say all
kinds of other things I will I will have
one I will have one comment is do you
know they're ripping down you're taking
off the cedar or the wood siding and
then putting on new vinyl or are they
just clading on top of your existing
siding I think that's going to be
another critical aspect of this because
when you put a siding material over an
existing siding it changes the
proportions of all the details it's
really really kind of inexpensive
looking so I I would be careful when you
talk to your contractors to make sure
that this is being removed you put a a
good U building envelope or building
wrap called a home wrap or building R
making sure that you know you can do
things that will help improve the
quality of your interior environment
while they're doing that and not just
slap up the vinyl on top of what's there
right um I mean so a lot of the vinyl
elements of this part of the house also
are going to be covered are G be inside
because the addition is gonna true yeah
true but I'm just you get there it's
just a detail that you need to I want to
put on your radar they don't they don't
just cover up that because where the
windows are and where the things come in
what happens the sighting gets they put
all these little trim pieces and your
windows get recessed because the siding
looks like it's been stuck on the
integral so right it's important aspect
of it that I want you to be aware of
thank you so can you do that corner
detail in Hardy or you can't do it in
Hardy sure yeah it's it's harder yeah
it's very
hard it's it's worth talking to your
contractor and pricing
it okay look it really fits with the
house you're not too far from me I'm at
2471 Brien M we're currently reciting
the front of our house right now we're
using Hardy to match the two editions
that I did but the the original part of
my house was aluminum um so if you
wanted to see it it's
okay okay so we've given you so much
information to process um uh yeah is
there anyone in the audience that would
like to speak about this application
raise your
hand okay seeing no one um I'm
I'm guessing that the board wants us to
come back next month is that what
there's probably enough changes that we
should table until next month and have
um your contractor um update the
drawings with all these
changes and if you're a contractor or
whoever's doing the drawings wants to
talk to Karen please have him call in
she'll walk him through all of what we
just talked about and try to make it as
painless as
possible and then I guess we would ask
you to come back next month or as soon
as you're ready and uh we'll review it
again and so does someone want to make
that emotion yeah so um we would we we
we would ask you to ask for a
um well this is not a pureb we can
actually do the you want a motion to
table it right so I'll make the motion
that this application be tabled until
the
August or
a
date um August 8th August 8 August 8th
and if you need more time than that you
can just let Karen know and she'll push
it to the meeting
following and do we have a
second to that motion second
Scott and I will call the rooll Mr
calone yes Mr H yes Mr Scott yes Madam
Tony yes okay thank you so much we'll
see you
back okay our next application is ARB
24-22 the address is 837 grandon the
applicant is Amy lowerhouse and the
owner is
Katherine
adamsu I'm sorry if I just for your name
good the applicant is seeking
architecture review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a
twostory and a Second Story addition to
the rear of the principal
structure and Kathy El are you
in please state your name Amy Lous do
you somly swear orir the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank
you all
right um let's
see this application
um pull it up and remember which one it
is oh to the addition to the backing
house yes I thought it looked fine um we
actually um had very few board members
with questions so I think I will open it
up for them to ask their questions okay
great yeah um did we already scw you
inne yes yes okay um did you want to
present anything or you just want to go
straight to questions uh just a couple
things um it there is a one-story
Edition on the back that we're just sort
of expanding and adding a second floor
to um you can see it there in the top
right picture uh per your conversations
with the last gentleman we are residing
this whole house um so everything will
be coming off and um we are doing a a
two um two two different materials top
and bottom um with a board they have an
overhang on the front so we're picking
up on that and of the second floor and
and taking that around the entire
house okay is there a board member that
would like to go first I will since I'm
probably the reason you're here
yeah always fine so my big question is
the eaves why we couldn't get the eaves
to
align the addition has a higher Eve than
the existing house and I didn't know if
there was a way to pull that down so
that they could
align
um I think it's because I needed the
height we have an elevator in this
design it's on the side and I think
that's the reason I needed the
additional because the the bigger Gable
is
lower and then
the other Gable is a little bit higher
and I think I needed the full height on
the edge for the top of the
elevator it's like a overhead space or
something that they need yes yes it's
it's actually a lift it's not a full
elevator um so it the requirements are
much simpler but we still have to have a
full eight feet and um as you were
speaking earlier the existing house is
clipped on the sides and so I can't get
that height there so if we go to the
elevations that location is in it's this
right it's right in here yes correct yes
I mean would you would you consider
pulling this down and then just having a
like a little shed roof that you gave
you the head room that you needed you
know for that for that um overhead space
yeah I can certainly look at that I mean
it would I think it would also give this
elev a little more interest because
right now this just feels very blocky
and I was also concerned about the size
of these windows this one doesn't bother
me because it's just a you know you've
set stepped these both back so this kind
of makes sense but this is such a long
elevation that this just didn't feel
right but if you're just doing a little
roof popup and this Eve is coming down
and these windows tuck closer to the eve
yeah then I think you're yeah I think
it's better okay yeah I'm totally fine
with that that was really my
only thought was again we have you know
a house that has a lower Eve and we're
putting an addition on it that
right we we usually don't like that you
know we we like them when they're even
lower right right I'd love to see this
come down more you'd have that thing pop
up you'd have you know wall Dormers but
yeah I'm not gonna
push that's that's all I have thanks
thank you okay is there another board
member that would like like to speak
about this application I agree
that was Mr Scott yeah no I I agree I
think I agree with all of that I think I
think that's a critical aspect and that
that'll make a little uh quirky to the
corner transition yeah which I think
will be interesting
so I like it Mr
cahun and I also agree
great okay okay um so do we want this to
come back or are we okay just giving
this to Karen and she can I'm
comfortable with that okay I'm very
comfortable thank you thank you Amy sure
so is and there's no one in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application saying no one uh is there a
board member that will make a motion so
moved Scott do you want me to read the
findings you want to read the findings
sure all right the findings of fact and
decision of the board for application
number AR B- 24-22 for property located
at 837 grandon the board finds that a
certificate of appropri should be issued
for the two story and Second Story
additions to the rear of the house with
the following conditions that the
applicant lower the eaves of the second
floor an accent added over the location
of the
elevator is that um and all major
changes required by the conditions of
this approval are subject to further
review and approval by the design
consultant you understand the findings
of fact yes awesome okay is there a
board member that will make a motion so
moved
Scott second
H I will call the role Mr Scott yes Mr
Hyer yes Mr calhon yes Adam Tony yes
thank you you're
approved okay uh your next application
is number ARB 24-23 the address is 167
South Columbia the applicant is Amy
lowerhouse the owner is Rome and
Sandra run run thank you applicant is
seeking Architectural Review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a partial Demolition
and a twostory and a one and a half
story addition to the rear of
house okay while Karen is pulling that
up if you want to give us a uh little
presentation
sorry uh yes
so this is a project where we're
removing an poorly done um old
Edition and putting on a new larger
Edition
um really I worked really hard at trying
to break down the massing and keep keep
everything lower than the original house
um so that the original House still is
primary um the additions of course sit
very far back from the original house
that that's the original addition there
and all its Glory um
the the original house is is other than
a dormer is is all brick um so we are
going with a fiber cement siding um
however the house has a lot of great
detail on the rake um it has exposed
rafter Tails um it has modillions it has
um some just great stuff that we are
replicating on the addition um so all of
those details will match um I think
there was a question about the color um
all the trim will be white to match the
existing and then um the clients
thinking about going with like a cream
color um for the addition itself um we
do have the the P the one piece of the
garage that projects out to the South is
brick um and that will match the
existing brick of the house along with
um the soldier course detail that that
runs along the bottom about at the first
floor level um the other question was
about the roof so the current house has
a synthetic slate um it's it's a pretty
uh consistent gray color um so that we
are planning on matching that I uh after
Karen texted me I reached out to the
client but um they didn't get back to me
as far as if they had any information on
the product I'm not even sure if they
did the roof replacement but I did
include another picture um that has a
blowup yeah of the Slate um it's kind of
hard to see when in the bright room but
it's it's a very regular um all one
color um synthetic
product awesome thank
you uh is there a board member that
would like to go first with
questions okay here I go
again um I think it's lovely and it I
mean it's such a huge improvement over
what what's there just really impressive
but the only thing that you know again
it's this garage with you know the
height I know you have a second story up
there right but is there a way to break
it down like the house has more belt
course banding on it and I didn't know
if there was a way to you know include
that particularly on that South
elevation you know to take this band and
maybe bring it through and around maybe
put the lights on it but it looks like
it's kind of lined up there yeah I just
feel like this proportion is something
and it's not it's not you it's just that
I'm seeing more of this in Bexley and
unfortunately we're we're missing that
breakdown of the proportions yeah and
I'd like to avoid that if possible no I
like that idea of doing there are nice
brick uh banding details on the original
house and on the porch um so I think
that's a great idea and it's yeah no no
cost
change and I just I was just curious
about what's going is this actually
Mound did they actually Mound up like
that yes that's that's what it looks
like existing and there's yeah plantings
and then there's and levels out for the
rest
yes yeah we' never approve that
today sometimes they try to raise the
grade around just to meet the
uh the criteria so they don't have to
add the guard rails or the rails around
the windows no it's just there's a
Terrace there that goes across the whole
front oh I see and it's it's it looks
much you can't even really see it there
if you look I didn't even notice it
yeah yeah when we show things on the
elevations sometimes the translation
isn't super clear but yeah it's not not
even noticeable yeah yeah but if it's
less than 30 or greater than 30 inches
they have to add a guard rail sometimes
they try to get around it by doing that
right this obviously never came to ARB
so yeah obviously it did not might have
been one of the reasons
for why we have
a okay is there another board member
that would like to discuss this project
see no
one sure I was gonna give Mr coun a
chance before we dominated the entire
conversation uh Amy I think you did a
fantastic job here I think the
massing um is extremely appropriate and
balanced um for such a large Edition I
mean literally more than doubled the
square footage in footprint it looks
like um so hats off to you because I
think that was probably not an easy task
there's little nuances in the drawings
like the little between the old and new
not being exactly lined up with the two
EES and how that down spot's going to
work is something I'm curious about
because you all your water is coming in
that one spot right right the the only
thing the only criticism I have of it
and I love that there's brick facade and
I totally agree with the banding coming
from the that'll totally tie those
together yep is that nowhere else in the
house do you have a two- foot return of
brick have a what two foot return of
brick into siding I know that I can see
and I understand that I get that why and
and one side I think it dies into a mass
change which is fine um I don't know if
putting a water table across where you
tie into the uh the existing would help
at all but I feel like it's it's that
elevation the top elevation on the left
there yeah yeah yeah I don't know if
bringing brick across the bottom would
actually help that or not but you knows
like that's it just kind of I get why
yeah get it um so just look at that a
little bit and if you know there's I
don't think that's whole brick facade I
don't think that's the the right way
either because of how you've designed
the mass of that um those garage doors
in that or is that that I'm sorry that
that Gable that's facing us is actually
so the brick is hitting the Gable I take
it all back disregard that comment great
other yeah those aren't flush surfaces
it's complex I'm taking it all in I but
it is it's really well done uh I was
trying so I don't have my
PO yes it's an in Corner yeah thank you
sorry I'm gonna Mr Calhoun should have
[Laughter]
Tau ni
sh thank you um I I would just like to
add one thing um I agree with everything
that's been said uh certainly um the one
area that I want to point out and I'm
just going to throw this out there just
because I really like it and when I
discovered what it was I was like oh my
God that's brilliant on the the
elevation below this I think it's below
it let me see see yeah it's
the over on the far left side and Below
yes the stools that um go up to the bar
yes that I believe the kitchen is inside
that yes I love it and the fact that
that's that the pool sits out in front
of that and that can now be sort of a
service kitchen you're right for f i I
thought that was brilliant thank you in
fact I want to live
there thank you very much I also like
the sanding seam on the the rooster I
think that's really nice yeah and I
think if we go with a little you know
there's just little pieces of the metal
and I think if we go with a little
darker gray it'll be a nice A little bit
of a nice contrast yeah nice job thank
you okay I have nothing to add I think
it's lovely good job thank you okay
um do we have findings of fact then we
do finding and the decision of the board
for application number ar- 24-23 for
property located at 167 South Columbia
the architecture riew board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued for the proposed addition which
includes a partial demo elition and two
story and one and a half story additions
to the rear of the house as they are
architecturally compatible with the
existing structure and with the
following condition that the applicant
add banding to the garage addition all
major changes required by the conditions
of the subject to
you understand the findings effect yes
okay and I just want to make sure
there's no one in the audience because I
think someone walked in recently you did
not come about this application okay
just wanted to make sure uh is there a
board member then that will make a
motion I'll make a
motion I didn't say that right did I no
you're and just state your name for the
record because they record uh Steve c y
uh second hire
SC
yes yes yes yes thank you you are
approved thank
you um okay our next
application is number ARB
24-24 the address is 2554 East
Livingston the applicant is Suncraft
Corporation incorporated or James Knox
the owner is Dee and Rachel Gorsuch the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a 12 foot x 12 foot
enclosed porch with a variance for the
steps is there is the applicant
present okay seeing no applicant we will
skip that we'll put it to the end if
someone shows up by the end of the
meeting we will hear that application at
the end and so we will move on to
application number Bap
24-19 the address is 261 North Stanwood
the applicant is Brenda Parker the owner
is Kelly and Christopher rup the
applicant is Seeking a recommendation to
Bap for a certificate of appropriateness
for a partial first floor Edition and a
second floor Edition above the existing
Breezeway and attached garage with
variance requests from side yard
setback BR if you want to come with
where you in sworn in so um um Brendon
and I talked about this
um do you want to present your project a
little bit sure thank you um so the
existing house uh just has kind of a
single story garage and the connector
Breezeway and the owners want
to um add a primary Suite on the second
floor so we're adding a second floor
Edition we are also adding a first floor
Edition
um in front of the Breezeway for a new
mudroom and then that transitions up to
the second floor Edition as well um so
the the front you know is broken down
pretty well with with some step backs
between the different massings and then
um at the
back uh it's a little awkward and so
when I I was you know just glancing at
it a little bit
um I lined up all the roof planes so the
roof planes are all the same and I think
that that might not be the best approach
I think you know maybe kind of lifting
some things up and um at least you know
breaking that roof down a little bit
um we're using the existing Foundation
at the back so it's going to be a little
tricky to kind of push and pull walls
out um but we could look at doing some
overhang an overhang over that door just
to kind of give something else appeeling
up that elevation so we'll kind of get
your feedback and see see what you guys
think thank you is there a board member
that would like to go
first Mr Scott you're getting the
nod uh I agree with what you said uh
that you know I think you're having
trouble on the south elevation with this
really monolithic block uh which I think
is not working very well I understand
the complexities of the foundation work
and tying to that um but if we go to the
uh North
elevation you know looking at
that the existing house the massing
between the two-story and the one-story
garage um is significantly lost even
with the stepping um and I was thinking
about this and I wasn't sure how you
would address that because what you've
done is instead of really a two-story
block and a one-story kind of addition
that's kind of has a little connecting
Mass uh you kind of extruded a smaller
mass and then another mass and I was
wondering you know how you would maybe
alternatively do that and I kept keep
going back to well what if that Center
Mass the little thin sliver was a flat
roof um oh separating the two that's
then you have a bigger you maintain and
I'm not sure it works just ceiling
Heights and perits and but you would
still maintain the character potentially
maintain the character of the main block
of the the main house and this garage
even though the garage is two stories I
would probably continue I would suggest
continually pulling down that roof if
you were able to get this this flat roof
to work of the of the second mass that
they didn't they're lower but I think it
needs to be a little bit more
accentuated I don't know what that does
to you though if you go now to the South
elevation I I look at that and I'm like
well if that went
flat maybe that still is a significant
step in the right direction because
you're you're making it two masses with
the connecting piece and you're okay to
have the the the foundation and that
wall uh be just straight through because
you do have the step right the step if
that was all one facade we' have you'd
we'd have a problem there is one jog in
that so I think that's
helpful but I I'm I'm trying to you know
to see
how to reduce that massing without
um because I think the character on the
North facade is can be maintained quite
well I'm struggling at what would happen
here just because you know in my head I
try to solve it six I know I know you're
gonna have a great idea and we're all
gonna agree with you but um that's
that's my only thought I think I think
you're doing everything else right I
think there's the plan works I think
you're working through this quite well
but that's but that's my one suggestion
and I think I would love to hear what my
other board members have to
he's really
ready
[Laughter]
like I struggled with the the same thing
that you did Mr Scott and that it it
looked like
that first portion of the addition on
elevation understand what you're trying
to do internally with space um so so I
think I like the idea of of maybe a
flatter area there to kind of Step that
down and then bring it up again above
the garage
um I think the the other part this is
much more detail oriented but the
overhang that's over the garage door
looks very out of place to me um if you
go to the north
elevation the I think it's not only the
design language but also the standing
scene that to me I don't see that
anywhere else on the house and not that
it has to make you know three or four
appearances around every side that type
of thing but you know one idea I had was
what if above the the existing entrance
of the house that that was treated with
a similar material right now it's just a
flat roof and what what if that was
somehow brought up a bit and maybe that
material brought up there or the other
thought was perhaps on the west
elevation um above the mandor that's on
the side of the garage maybe something
small again to Echo that um so over that
the door on the right there right side
of the west elevation either there or
perhaps above the French doors that are
up above it above that false balcony
something like that up there might be a
nice little detail to that that it would
help it feel less stuck on
I I I I agree with you it seems foreign
the garage shed and I think you did that
looking at this and I again I want to
put words in your mouth so please
respond but because you're trying to
balance out and give some hierarchy to
the massing because it's it's starting
to get very equal you're trying to give
a little bit more attention to the
garage and and change that proportion
but I'm not sure that's you looking at
the style of the existing home if that's
the right that kind of Craftsman style
shed roof might not be that might might
not be the right fit I think as you
explore the roof lines and the center
kind of connecting mass that may go
simpler and and match more the band
maybe that's in the main house or
portions of that as a header so I I
agree with what you're saying and that
it needs to connect but I'm not sure
it's connecting from that roof to the
rest of the house it might be the
existing house connecting a little bit
better to the garage
Mr
H yeah this is um an interesting
challenge because you're maintaining a
floor plan on the second floor that
extends through all of these different
masses and then you have Windows that
you need to align because you're not
changing your floor you're not stepping
down into this
addition so how do you maintain the
prominence of the main house and not
feel like you have like this ripple
effect uh going down well you can do the
ripple effect there's this I can't
remember the name of this architect from
Washington DC but he's famous for doing
these houses where it you know who I'm
talking about but he he does he does
like little um cottages and they're like
simplified white cottage boxes that he
like does this ripple effect with and he
was popular in the postmodern period but
um so it's a challenge and one thing you
could do I like the idea of exploring a
low sloped roof in this in the little
hyphen between the two and maybe you
consider pulling the eve down to create
a wall Dormer you know for the windows
at the garage so you're you would pull
that whole roof down much farther yeah
and that might actually allow you to
eliminate the canopy over the garage
door because now the proportion of that
takes away from that space right and you
know you might even you might even have
that band just for fun you know the the
midband actually continue all the way
through because that is the reality
right you have a floor plate that is
running through this whole thing you're
not trying to lie about it right you're
not you're not fooling anybody but the
fact that you can play with all three
forms in a different way and maintain
that continuity I think would be um a
great way to to look at it I would
explore that okay um The Space Between
the windows on the North elevation does
not bother me in at all um I think today
we we we tend to see on traditional
houses because we we don't necessarily
understand the language um and I'm not
I'm not saying you're like that but a
lot of a lot of a lot of our culture
sees an open spot on a traditional
building and thinks what's missing there
um but you could you could have a recess
panel you could have a trellis you could
have a medallion or a you know some kind
of Shield or something you could have a
a fake window but I it doesn't bother me
um I I like that it's kind of pushing
things to the side and it's leading your
eye more towards what you're doing on
the side if there was something in that
spot I would feel like the additions
were extraneous but because there's
nothing there it's like that whole
facade is like pushing your eye to the
side so you could have a lot of fun with
that but and also the proportion of the
windows above your garage door you know
the amount of wall to window is a
complete different animal than what
you're than what's happening in The
Hyphen or in the main house so how do
you play that up and um that's I think
that's why it works yeah is that it's
not pushing the windows to the outside
of that mass it's saying hey we're gonna
do something different right and if
you're doing something different there
how are you being playful with it by
with the roof lines because that's where
you're going to do it and then then that
band you can just accentuate saying aha
see we still have the same floor plan
yeah
yeah got
it anything else
I think they're all amazing suggestions
um things that I didn't even see when I
reviewed it the first time but now that
I hear I think they're great so um so do
we want to see this back or do we want
to uh okay we want to see it back okay
so uh we would just ask then that you
table to the August 8th meeting is that
what we
said okay is that is that okay yep is
there a board member that will make a
motion and wait and before I do that I
don't see anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about this
application okay is there a board member
that will make a
motion so moved hire second
Scott
yes
yes yes thanks thank you we'll see you
back next month
okay uh our next application number Bap
24-22 the address is 2474 Brentwood the
applicant is Amy lowerhouse the owner is
Rob and Michelle Santini the applicant
is Seeking a recommendation to Vis app
for a certificate of appropriateness for
a screened porch addition to the rear or
the north side of the house and a new
detached garage with a 19 foot Ridge to
match the existing
home correct
okay all right so um this application as
you don't need to be sworn in again um
as you all know came um late to you
today so um please take as much time as
you need to ask Amy any questions or
myself um it was not Amy's fault it was
our fault it was right submitted on the
last day and we added on for next month
and In fairness to Amy she made it in
time so it's just kind of an oversight
and she's been very gracious about it um
but
the project is actually a very um for me
it was pretty easy uh review I think it
looks great I am in support of
aesthetically the recommendation to Bap
for the um foot higher of the ridge line
because it will match the existing house
um that's the reason for it correct um
so um there's there's the picture so you
can see that the attempt is to continue
the the pitch on the garage that is
there already on the existing um
structure and you know I think that this
screen in porch looks great
um did you want to present anything sure
uh sure since um this is kind of the
first blush yeah the the screen porch uh
is a fairly s simple structure it's it's
actually going to have they have a
really nice Terrace back there already
um so the uh the yard side and the
Terrace side will have retractable
screens and then the um sidey yard side
which is the East Side the right side on
that picture will have permanent
screens um and uh it's just really
connecting with the with the Terrace
that's already there um it will have a
flat roof to so we can maintain all the
windows above and um the column details
are picking up on the twostory piece
that's already there it has pilot ERS um
so we're just doing a similar detail a
little bit bigger those are very very
thin
um so that's the porch and then the
garage is yeah it's a little bit bigger
th this is one of those lots that's like
11 feet 11 square feet in size from
being on the at the next um in the next
uh Zone up um so um we wanted
to just the programmatic requirements
for my client um you know we've kept the
the eve height to the the the required 9
feet um but because of the slope of the
roof which actually I've made a little
bit shallower than the house um just to
try to minimize that that height uh but
I it still needs to be steep so it
relates to the house um um and I if you
have a um Karen if you go to the one the
one that starts with site no yep right
there yeah um so I just wanted to show
you kind of how it relates to the site
um it's the site is actually sloping
down toward the alley this is on a
corner so this is the cassing uh the
Cassidy side so it's Cassidy Brentwood
and then the alley and so the whole site
is sloping down toward the alley so um
you know when I kind of looked at it
this way with the existing house I
thought um that it even though it's a
foot taller it was it had a nice
proportion with the
house this this drawing me is very
helpful thank you for including
it yeah and I included the photo because
you know I don't put all the Landscaping
on my drawing so that you can actually
see what's happening but you can see how
landscaped that side of the Cassidy side
is it's it's pretty heavily landscaped
as
well okay thank you is there a board
member that would like to go first
sure uh so real quick oh nice job
actually and I fully support this roof
heighten I don't know why we would never
I think it's extremely appropriate the
only question I have is in this
elevation your garage doors are
different heights yeah yes and your
plans and don't show any stepp I know
this is what happens when I submit on
the last day
um okay is your garage FL flat yeah um
so the what will happen is we will have
a step down in the garage yes so this
one is the accurate one but it's like I
didn't have time to go back and change
the other one so um no I mean I think
the challenge is the doors the headers
of the doors then step and it's just a
little quirky but I think if you're that
slope is perceived then it's fine yeah I
just think it's I just noticed that the
two I had dove into before coming in in
in in all honesty criticism like there's
no notes on this but I was missing your
yes 6A sheet yes I didn't go far enough
so I apologize uh thanks for adding
those I didn't even tell her you were no
I fre I freely admited it's okay uh so I
think it's the garage is great uh the
only other can you go to the the
photos and I think your porch Edition is
appro
um screen and porch can you zoom into
that the little face above the where the
porch is going on the top right photo
left side of the above those doors are
you saving
that that's a little King's face yeah
yeah I can we put that on the
garage I yes because this house has
actually little little things like
throughout obviously your shutters have
the little raindrop in the bucket yes
that's drawn correctly and then there's
other little emblems that are in the
front facade and yep it has a lot of
great detail so yeah you know if you're
looks like it looks like you're building
right on top of that but I would love to
see you save that okay find a new
location I don't know where maybe above
that yeah between the windows
yeah I'm wondering if we go to the other
elevations
um no go back to the
garage and then scroll
down on the house yeah part of me
wonders if maybe we remove the window
right there and put it above on above
the doors the South elevation right
there it's pretty cool if it can be
saved yeah if it can get you know scrape
it off yeah sure it's plaster or
something yeah be very cool there Mr
hire may have a suggestion or
two what I don't think that would be a
condition I may and I am not the reason
why you're here for this
one it's okay really it is this was
before I before I put my list together
um so the only thing I mean it's
beautiful I love this house this is one
of my favorite houses and the details on
this house are so well done yeah the
front uh the frest piece around the
front entryway that classical detail the
way it's done the Dormers everything
about this house is and I love that big
window over the garage doors that they
put in it feels like luchin you know
with that kind of large English Scottish
you know look um yep Macintosh we
actually originally looked at attaching
another garage but we couldn't we
couldn't we weren't we wanted to save
that window as is and we couldn't get it
to look right so we just abandoned it
and went into a detached
so um the only thing that struck me in
the addition was the kind of the the the
joining of the pier of the screen porch
with the
corner those elongated on all these
details on this house have a sort of
lacy feminine quality to them and then
you have the mass of the Stu walls and
great proportions I was wondering if you
could think about those peers in a
different way instead of them being your
standard sort of tusin you know pilaster
look with a cap and a small base you
know maybe maybe there's a Groove in
between that creates the image of having
two oh okay and then you're back to the
proportions on a you know right down of
what you have on this addition just be I
probably wouldn't say that if this was
not right next to right these tall atten
if it was on another side of the house I
probably it wouldn't have struck me
right but because you're putting this
heavier one right next to these thin
ones right and if you look at the front
entry way it's got fluting on it those
pilers have have fluting so that they're
breaking down even their right uh so you
could do you could do something like
fluting that maybe came uh 2third of the
way down like you're the front entry way
or you could put a Groove down the
middle here um to make it look like the
appearance of being two and all they do
is run a route a rout right right and
then you take your cap detail and you
wrap it around that yeah and then you've
got like big brother Little Brother Big
Sister little sister you know yeah I
like that because the way that that's
painted already it it there's not like
white in between those two pilasters
right it's all painted the same so that
I think doing like a just a simple
Groove I like that idea a
lot excellent that's it
otherwise
there you're gonna do them right okay
then then
they're I've got my not
conditions I mean it doesn't even I mean
if there's another idea yeah you know
just but the the concept of breaking
down that right sort of traditional
tusin proportion yeah
anything else
no Mr
Calhoun okay and I too agree with
everyone especially the comment about
this being uh someone's favorite house I
always love this house
yeah okay um so is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about this
application saying no one is um do we
need findings of fact
yes so that findings decision of the
board thank you for application number
bcap 24-22 for property located at 2474
Brentwood the board finds that the
proposed screen
porch should receive a certificate of
appropriateness with the condition that
the applicant add details to the pile
of the screen porch as discussed at the
July
11th 2024 architecture review board
meeting the board further
finds that board further recommends to
the board of zoning and
planning a certificate of
appropriateness with the
conditions that the king's face
Medallion be added to the
garage um
uh that's it if it can be saved some
sometimes those things are that's just
possible we will try it is a cool detail
repli put that mole you know that over
it and they can they can replicate it
yeah in a resin yeah probably even
better okay do you understand the
findings effect I do is there a board
member that will make a motion
so moved
higher second
Scott I will call a roll Mr
calone yes Mr hire yes Mr Scott yes
madame Tony yes thank you approved thank
you okay um so I'm gonna just go back to
this application arb2
24-24 and I there there's no one in the
audience that's here about that
application
right uh 2554 East
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Livingston okay so that is a noow it
will be removed from the
uh agenda and Madam chair I'm going to
recuse myself for the Pres next
presentation so in other business we
have St Charles Chapel presentation we
want to we're having a preliminary
review um by one of the board members
they hire why there's nothing on
here
yeah do I need to be sworn in for the
preliminary
review sure let's better air on the side
of caution Bill hire do you saw me swer
from the testimony you're about to give
this evening is the truth I do thank you
and I get to be your last ARB applicant
it's like the best
my person computer but don't no worries
I will find it
um Karen do you have any you just want
me to go oh I'm not gonna say a
thing well I know I was threatened to be
put on consent tonight but you were
here's what I'll
say here's what I'll say I had people
say can we just do consent on this one
it's beautiful and in all seriousness
cathine Matt and I were talking we don't
even know if this technically needs ARB
approval right so we'll determine
that when you get a official application
submitted yeah but Bill wanted the
opportunity um to just show you what
he's been working on with yeah I figured
you would I I think the board would I
thought the board would appreciate
seeing what we're doing because there's
a lot going into this and a lot of it's
interior but there is some exterior
stuff and I know that when you drive by
on Broad Street when this does go into
Construction in October that you're
going to say um why why didn't that get
before us that that would require
whether it's a recommendation to the
board ofing and planning or simply it's
aesthetic so it's just their right
approval
right so um these are preliminary
drawings that we did earlier this year
and you can see uh the the whole idea
here is that the chapel has never been
renovated it's never been refreshed or
really
um worked on it's still in its really
original condition from
1938 so uh the chapel was built after
the school school was
1923 the chapel was built in 1938 um the
original Chapel of the school is
actually inside at the southwest corner
of the Matt knows because he's a
graduate um but this Chapel um was added
in 1938 um there was a flood
some years later I think it was right
away actually after it was built and um
they recovered from that the Limestone
inside needed needs some refreshing but
mainly it's about the light in there the
lighting system and the mechanical but
at the same time the donors wanted to
beautify it you know to really make it
more beautiful besides it being dark and
kind of um uncomfortable we wanted to
make it more beautiful so we really kind
of did a number of changes if you go to
the pl that plan view up there yeah on
that one yep if you open up that
plan hold on or just zoom in on
it yeah
so the seating capacity of the chapel is
less uh than ideal the school is growing
their enrollment is growing um and so
they wanted to have more seating for the
students one of the things that
prevented that was there was a kind of
secondary platform between the sanctuary
and the Pew seating and that was because
it was a former Seminary chapel and they
had you know um ministers that would be
up in that area well we don't have that
anymore it's students only so we are
lowering that adding pews you can see
the pews and blue that we're adding um
and then we're also taking out the
current um kind of cabinet unit cooling
which block the side Isles and in this
drawing you can see that the side ises
are clear of any big boxy units that
kind of block the way um there are two
sacristies in this chapel and that was
because it was a former Seminary they
needed lots of room for the ministers
the priests and the servers so the lower
one the Blue Room at the bottom we are
going to turn into kind of a memorial
room for the
alumni and then the sanctuary is getting
all new flooring uh some additions in
paint we hired Evergreen architectural
Arts out of New York City and they're
they're doing more painting in the
sanctuary um we hired some Italian
companies to do some new flooring that
will be in what we call a cosmet esque
design which is little pieces of marble
um so there's that and then in the in
the in the choir loft you see on the
right over there we are making it more
usable so that we can get a Boy Choir of
about you know 16 uh to be up there
right now there's hardly any room up
there it's really just for the organist
so that expansion plus the interior
flooring the
lighting okay is I'm kind of going
backwards here because I wanted to
present to you the outside stuff which
is part well it's good that I presented
that because the outside stuff is really
in service of that that inside stuff so
we have new mechanical units the current
heating and cooling system is not it
doesn't really work that well and it
it's not up to code um it doesn't serve
the space well they're loud you know
they take away from the beauty of the
and the serenity of the inside so we're
going to put some new units uh on the
outside that will feed into a tunnel
that goes around underneath and then
we're going to come up with new
decorative grills uh in the floor
through the stone and then we're going
to create this new brick screen wall
that will hide these units from your
view from Broad
Street the other thing that I convinced
the donors really about on this was that
that facade facing Broad Street is it's
really there's really nothing I mean
it's a beautiful Chapel but it's so
small compared to the school building
that adding some more interest on that
side will actually go a long way so they
were happy about this screen wall I'm
everybody's happy about the screen wall
covering those units the second outside
thing that U comes up is on the north
side of the chapel we're embellishing
the entry to the chapel which is going
to be the the primary entry for weddings
and concerts and special events that
will happen in the
chapel but this um colonade that I'm
indicating on the left is not going to
be built so it's really just the Portico
that you see in the distance with the
transom panel and the uh The Columns
that have the um spiral
work so this is the this is this is
what's being built and this is not um
eventually what they're going to do is
connect all the way down to the
Brotherhood Center which you've reviewed
and so the renovation of the
chapel is and the building of the
Brotherhood Center is they're going to
happen at the same time and then in the
future they're talking about the idea of
making a new covered walkway that would
allow the boys to go from the chapel
directly to the Brotherhood Center
without having to go back into the
school so that but that's not part of
this application or this this project um
we're making some other adjustments to
the commons improving the stained glass
illumination and um adding some
decorative details up at the top level
which is just open right now but for you
the the the two primary exterior things
that you're going to notice are that
screen wall and then the um the north
entry Portico if you are ever coming
around that side going to a football
game or um usually you don't enter from
that side anyway and then we're going to
uh do some more plantings Oakland
Nursery is going to do some more
plantings um and some uplighting for the
outside of the chapel so it's the only
building on the campus that doesn't have
security lighting and it doesn't have
have landscape lighting which is really
ironic to me that you know St Charles
the chapel is kind of in the dark at
night and so this is a way to help just
beautify it
and I I was thinking about the neighbors
you know to the East and so this
lighting is just going to be kind of
light washing up the walls and there's
only going to be a few of them so
there's no security lighting it's just
this kind of gentle wash and I hope they
like that because to me if you go to the
photos that East elevation of the chapel
is really uh so beautiful and I think to
have just a a light Accent on that for
the Neighbors would be would be
something really Dynamic so here's the
retaining wall or the screen
wall it's all in Brick we've coursed it
we have coins at the ends um but we
didn't do any
stone um the stone on the chapel starts
here and goes down but we're not going
to continue that because it's just a
screen wall it's not part of the
chapel and then these are the detail
drawings that we've done for that screen
wall this is the Portico at the main at
the at the entry so this is really the
embellishment of that with the columns
and new clad wood doors um and some
detail at the uh
transom and then inside we're really
transforming the space by uh I don't
have I don't have a before shot of this
but currently what's there is just this
piece
here and the figure of Christ with a
blue background and that's all so we're
adding the the angel pedestals we adding
this panel with which is going to be
made in glass
Mosaic and then this painting is going
to have other figures um it's going to
look different than this this was a
placeholder originally but the concept
is the same that you have the central
figure to remain and then you have other
Saint figures around um and there'll be
other symbols up there um this the
limestone in the chat is remaining as is
we're not really doing anything except
for some cleaning of the Limestone and
then down the main Isles we have other
medallions
images and the flooring is going to have
you know this is kind of the precedent
so this is you know Roman Paving from
you know 5 600 um or even earlier
sometimes into the 300s you know things
like this and that's going to so you can
see it here in the sanctuary in front of
the Altar and then the ceiling is going
to have decorative paint between the
beams which is like this Florentine
example so you see this a lot in
Tuscany um and the architect for this
Chapel was Robert Krauss who was well
known for his Chapel designs around
Columbus he did The Retreat Center out
on East Broad Street he did um St Agatha
in Upper Arlington and a few others but
he's really modeling it on these sort of
earlier much earlier space es so we were
we feel like we're completing
it and uh the donors are that that's
really what they wanted in addition to
the to the new lighting I actually tried
to convince them to have the stained
glass windows illuminated at night so
that when you drive by on Broad Street
you can see the beauty of the stained
glass but the new energy code does not
allow that so you can't have it would
have to they'd have to shut off at um
11:00 p.m. or midnight um because of the
new uh IC or whatever it is um if it's
an outside light and security they can
remain on but if it's an inside accent
it has to shut off at a certain point by
the new energy code
so but not many people will be driving
by at midnight or after midnight so
maybe we do it be still worth it yeah
yeah because they are beautiful windows
and nobody ever really sees
them so that's that's really it that's
the scope the here's some more
detail the flooring design made in
Marble multicolored
marble um it's a really complicated
project in terms of how you take what is
basically a stone interior that has no
fat on it there's there there are no
part there's no chases it's just stone
and brick and how do you modify and add
conduit it and and uh you know put in
Heating and Cooling that's you know
coming in from the tunnel it's there's
it's a fairly complicated project but
we've we've really enjoyed it and I
think the the school is
Happy Mr Mr Low's been happy and uh our
donors have been happy so anyway that I
wanted to present it to you and let you
know what's going on there since it's in
Bexley and there's a lot going on at St
Charles right we have the convocation
center and then the Brotherhood Center
and now this um but this is a big part
of it
so that's it
beautiful thank
you okay so if so when the when when we
present the application is that the
application for a building permit and in
the process we are going to come back
before right that's what we were just
talking about lighting as long as that's
tucked behind Landscaping so it's not
shining out right right but also the
wall what see height on that wall the
the the re the screen wall it's about
six
feet that makes sense especially what
it's shielding oh yeah well I mean we
can't put it on the other side because
that's where the wedding parties will
enter um
yeah so we'll come back to you with the
wall and with the um North entry Portico
for ARB
review would mind your own consent we
wouldn't mind hearing about the inside
too because Amazing Project yeah the
authenticity of it the uh the respect
for the history and and the architecture
and is amazing it's truly a great
project yeah we're really fortunate to
have the support that we have from
donors to do this and the fact that this
is the first time since 1938 you know
that there's been really
any Improvement beautification to the
chapel is it's kind of nice that the
donors were the ones that brought this
forward you know it wasn't the it wasn't
the school it wasn't me or my kids you
know it was um it was the donors
realizing that this is too important of
a space to let it keep going like this
your drawings are beautiful thank
you so I think again we've seen many
projects from the school uh over the
last couple years and I think the
continued commitment for improvement in
in respecting the history of the
architecture and and the buildings
obviously the the spaces within the
functions is is critical but uh really
really you don't see that very often so
I think that's there's a lot of a lot of
respect given to to the commitment that
the school has to its grounds and its
property
so when I yeah they hire the right
architect
too there's all kinds of things I'd love
to talk about but that's really the gist
of it lots of great little
details thank you than we're lucky to
have this in in Bexley yeah absolutely
thank you thank you thank
you okay we are adjourned