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yes we will call to order the uh June 13
2024 meeting of the Architectural Review
Board
uh the first thing on our agenda is to
call um the
role Mr
Hall here Mr H here Miss Jones here Mr
Scott here Madam Tony
here uh next thing is the approval of
the meeting minutes from our last
meeting did everyone get a chance to
review those yes is there a board member
that will make a motion to approve those
motion to approve Hall second higher
I'll call the rooll Miss Jones yes Mr
Scott yes Mr H yes Mr Hall yes Adam Tony
yes this is our time for public comment
if there's anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about something that is
not on the agenda tonight please come up
to the
podium I I think we have to swear her in
right it's just public okay constant
Lewis 663 you
clear um I was just curious is what is
the final height of 2200 on this six
that the six stories what is the height
final that is probably something we need
to look up and um get back to you on I
don't know I don't remember it
offand I couldn't tell you that off the
top of my head no look on the drawing no
we're juggling several project I know
and you've been so busy I know I've
asked you in the past but you've been so
busy with things but I'm sure we've got
elevations on uh the plans that should
have that specified on
there okay but I'm I'm learning I'm
leaning to your expertise because those
plans aren't my that's not my thing but
just to look and see how TP how tall
it's going to be at the end that's my
I'm just curious to I'll note it to look
at for and get back to you thanks Karen
I don't know off the top of my head do
you want do you want Karen to get back
to you personally or do you want us to
announce it in the next meeting it makes
no difference you can
shoot me an email call me Instagram
whatever no problem thank you do is
there anyone
else okay seeing no one I'd also like to
make a clarification on the notice that
went out it had indicated that 2:36 the
appeal hearing was scheduled for both
this meeting and the uh June 27th
meeting when in fact it really was to be
only heard at the June 27th meeting but
has since been uh postponed to July so
I'll announce that at the zoning board
meeting but it will not be heard here
tonight in case there was any confusion
we just found that out like yesterday or
today so that was going to be an email
and knowing that we're meeting tonight I
just said we'll tell you it's not going
to be H till July okay but I will keep
you in the loop of everything that
develops okay and while we are on that
there's another application that has
been removed if you are here for uh
application Bap 24-15 the address is
2730 3 fair and the applicant is darl
Rogers that application has also been
removed from the agenda tonight so um I
believe it has been push to next month
so if you're here for that project um
you can exit and come come back next
month okay um we have uh under other
business we have the murals on Main
Street that Megan Meyer is going to give
us an update
on yes thank you chairman Tony members
of the board glad to be back uh tonight
since we last spoke um we've been really
busy on the mural Fest planning
committee I think last we spoke I told
you that we had received 58 different
submissions from artists from around the
country and we did the hard work of
narrowing that to 10 finalists and
soliciting from them Concepts that are
bespoke to Bexley so my goal for tonight
is to kind of remind you of the process
of how we got here um to let you know
that we have confirmed Final locations
um assuming budget allows I'll tell some
of the artists have higher fees than
others so if we ultimately go with one
over the other that might mean we only
do two as opposed to three murals um so
when I say Final locations It's Our
intention for these to be the final ones
um so we'll go ahead and get started I I
do want to point out um one of the
reasons we are of course in front of
this board talking about this is because
of your p purview over Main Street
ultimately um if if it meets your
approval I would seek for a motion to
recommend the murals to to Bap it is
ultimately under their purview to permit
public art in the city and so that would
be my request um so we can go ahead and
move forward if you don't mind Karen um
so where are we in the process again 58
artists supplied 10 finalists we're
hoping to have three muralists directly
related to mural Fest although I'll show
you we do have two other murals um that
are being conceptualized they'll occur
around the mural Fest timeline but
they're not directly related to this
project however because again this is
under your preview we thought we'd bring
them forward all at once for your
consideration um all of that happened
earlier this spring we did last Friday
host our first public meeting um to
solicit feedback on the 10 finalists I
can tell you even the public had a hard
time deciding um picking between art it
it's not an easy task whatsoever and
there were pros and cons of each um and
I'm happy to also hear your comments
back on the the final options we've
selected um we have not gotten final art
approval by the owners we thought we'd
show you and make sure there weren't any
huge red flags before even presenting
this for consideration um and then we'll
take this to be zap later this month and
again we're hoping to have that mural
Festival happen in September into of
September so those murals would be
installed about the month leading up to
that so moving right along um the core
mural walls we're going to have the
Eastern elevation of rabinos Second
Glance hair and nail salon their Western
elevation West Bano the side that faces
Johnson's that's their Eastern Eastern
elevation and then two other related but
not core projects would be here on
Beckley Square replacing that artist
mural this I'm sorry the student artist
mural and at the Anthony Thomas location
that Western elevation that faces that
barber shop and just to show you very
quickly so you can visualize what those
are here's the rinos wall obvious room
for improvement and keep going um and
here's that second glance um we are
likely going to remove those um shutters
as you might imagine to allow for the
art installation um moving right along
here is that West banko wall I will tell
you um something that we're learning is
there is a cost perir per square foot
component to all of this as the artists
are giving us their fees so we actually
would not paint all the way back towards
the end but rather focus on the southern
side of the building um so that you
really get to see it from Main Street um
right now we have quotes that go all the
way to that fourth vertical column and
you'll see in one of the artist's
Concepts that they kind of incorporate
those columns into the art other artists
just kind of ignored them so I guess
it's up to them how that might look
continuing
along um and then the
two hold
on there we go and this is again this is
not directly related to mural Fest it
will kind of occur around the same time
um we do hope to replace that mural that
was installed by a Bexley student
sometime about a year and a half ago um
the idea for this specific location is
that the mural does rotate pretty
frequently where as opposed to the mural
Fest murals we're hoping that they have
a lifespan of at least 15 years um and
that is what we're writing into our
agreements with the actual Property
Owners themselves the city would take
the lead on ensuring that should they be
um tagged should there be some odd
graffiti that you know really needs to
move the city takes that on as our role
and that we apply a clear quot
protectant every year uh moving forward
for a period of 15 years so the hope is
that we maintain those for 15 years and
then the final location being that um uh
Western elevation for Anthony Thomas
this um when we approached the owner
Marjorie Gallagher about participating
in mural Fest she was interested but she
said I'd rather have a family member um
paint this for me and um move forward
with that art and we said well that's
wonderful but that's not the idea that
we had for this we wanted to solicit
artists from around the country to come
and do this and in a professional
capacity um and so we told them that
we'd be happy to support that effort
obviously public art is something we
should be behind um we'd help pay for
some of the supplies but we would not
provide an artist fee to her sister to
paint her own building we didn't think
that was appropriate um I have included
for your consideration that individual
their names um margorie Gallagher um for
for your review at the end so moving
right along um so finally what are our
options um and again these haven't been
presented to the wall owners themselves
which is why there's more than just
three just in case we get a no thank you
on one of them um what we're going to do
is present the ones that were ranked the
highest out of that group um that met
last week and then go from there and if
they weren't pleased with the first
concept offer them an alternative so
we're going to go ahead and go through
them um the first you can see has been
kind of superimposed onto that wall that
faces Johnson's have a great day Bexley
Ohio um Amy Amy odonnell Luth um she is
um pretty well known for this type of
graphic and text and so this is very in
line with their work um we think that
that would be a very nice welcome um to
all of those driving you know um West on
Main Street towards downtown a great way
to kind of toote that Bexley has an
indeed begun so that's one great
option moving along um this artist did
incorporate those vertical columns that
were here um their concept was specific
to um the West banko wall they didn't
want considered for the other wall
because the whole idea was that those
vertical columns were spines in a
children's novel and they kind of took
their floral style and adapted that to a
children's book um so something light
enjoyable we could imagine kids going in
the summer to Johnson's for ice cream
posing in front of this um things of
that nature and so this was actually
along with Amy's um artwork the two
highest rated out of all of them that
were submitted um to that group last
week moving right along um this one's
obviously on the rabinos wall Dylan Beck
is actually a pretty well-known artist
here in the Columbus third scene um has
had some insulations on gravity in the
Franklinton area um and is obviously
abstract and very graphic very bright
and Vivid
moving along um Ricky watts is actually
out of California um Ricky has actually
done some installations for Google um
and their prominent feature are these
kind of large sweeping graphic lines um
some people have said they look like
snakes uh things of that nature um the
committee really really liked this
except for the Columbus Seline um we've
told ourselves time and time again we're
not going to start curating the art and
asking for elements to be added or
removed but I think the group kind of
agreed that that didn't feel like a fit
um so should we ultimately go with Ricky
we might ask for some modification to
that moving along Andre um and not to
play favorites but I have to share this
is one of my favorites um and this
artist does get very very detailed in
the painting stage so while this seems
like some very flat tones on the on the
wall itself once they actually painted
out it's quite a bit more gradation um
and I think really would resonate um and
so this this is um the the black boxes
that you're seeing are actually where
doors and windows are in rinos so this
was sized to the rabinos template
another good option um and this artist
we gave a little Grace um they're going
through a family situation so they were
not able to complete their concept on
time um but they are very local they've
lived in Bexley for a time and they live
in Columbus still and their concept was
to bring back the idea of the pinball
machine that used to reside in rabinos
for many years and in this concept we
saw um some really intriguing elements
come out you know all of the Drexel um
and the spirit of Columbus and so wanted
to give them time to complete this um we
think it might really resonate with
Jimmy at rabinos given that they have
had that pinball machine there um and so
this would be one of the concepts that
would be specific to that building only
um so I oh and there might be one more
let's see okay so let's go back I'm
sorry Karan go back to Stephen so those
are the core mural
ideas um and based on budget we would
kind of flex them between the rabinos
the westbo and the Second Glance wall
there's kind of a strategy behind that
if you know this is not preferred by
rabinos then we give this other option
that kicks something down the road you
know so like the locations kind of
change um but it would be the request
that um should you be on board with the
concepts as presented that there would
be a motion to recommend them and and
whole to beap by the time that we would
get to app later this month we would
have the art for each building of course
um so so those are the mural Fest
Concepts I did want to show you the
other related Concepts as well um so if
you want to move forward I know that I
keep alluding to this climate stripe
idea related to sustainability so what
this denotes with different gradation
and colors is the heat map of the world
um and so the sustainability component
being obviously we're getting warmer and
warmer and that's not sustainable into
the future um and so this is the basis
for design we do have a artist that's on
the mural Fest committee that could help
incorporate a message maybe make it a
little more obvious that that's what
this is about whether with text or some
other element and this would be um here
at the Beckley Square location and then
the final piece of artwork I've included
is the piece that came out of Anthony
Thomas's family or the owner of Anthony
Thomas is building their family the
Gallaghers um so this is merger
Gallagher's sister arth Gallagher
Michael um and this is what was
submitted for consideration there um the
mural Fest committee has not had any
review of this particular piece of art
again it was just submitted separately
for your
consideration so with that open to any
thoughts on any of the individual pieces
the process or anything that you may
have concerns
about is there a board member that would
like to go first have any questions
okay seeing none um okay so just to
reiterate your committee is the one
that's that's picking it with the owner
of the building yes from those options
presented obviously for Michael or I'm
sorry Stephen Davis's we're gonna have a
more full concept gotcha gotcha okay and
so I'm what I'm seeing is then we have
no objections so I think we're saying
you're good to go okay do we need a
formal motion to recommend or anything
like that for app
or
okay all right well with that I
appreciate your time thank you thank you
thanks good
job okay um next on the agenda then uh
we have a few um uh applications that we
have reviewed and put on a consent
agenda they are application arb2 24-18
the address is 514 North View and the
applicant is Amy louse the next one is
arb2 24-19 the address is 792 Francis
and the applicant is Amy
louse the next is ARB
24-20 the address is 291 South
cassingham and the applicant is Noah
Huffman and the last one is Bap
24-17 the address is 2606 Beckley Park
and the applicant is Ethan M gory is
there anyone in the audience that came
to speak about any of those
applications please come up and be sworn
in do you have a a picture of the Fran I
guess my name is uh David Green I'm I'm
interested in the Francis Avenue
application are you gonna start with
that one or are you gonna start with
we'll have to put it back on the regular
put it back on the agenda if you want to
speak about it because we all looked at
it and thought that it was fine
I I didn't look at it so I don't know
you didn't look at it no I'd like to see
it I thought you were going to present
it so um so they're they're all on the
website for public viewing um I don't
have a
computer okay well the applicant is not
here to present their
project um our process is that so that
we can review and and everyone can
review the applications ahead of time
and if we all think that they're fine
then we put them on a cassette agenda
and then well obviously everybody can't
review it ahead of time so okay well
Weare with us for a minute this is the
first time this has ever happened so we
have to talk
about all right well what I'll have to
do is put them back on the agenda and
see if we can contact the applicant and
see if they can come to the you have
objections or you just want I don't know
I I would like to know what they're
going to do you could describe it to me
uh in a few words and I could get an
idea do you have a cell phone no
okay um I'm happy
to have them put it back on the agenda I
could look at it at the library computer
we will add it to the end of the agenda
I have to get Amy to come in yeah so
yeah so we'll add it to the end and
we'll see if we can get the applicant to
get here within the we have three other
ones to go over so well you know you
could at least reassure me that it's not
some garish mess you know I think you've
reviewed it right well either way I have
to put it back on the agenda we can't
discuss it without the applicant being
here right so I'll we'll put it back on
the agenda it's number five
yep okay so for what meeting for this
meeting for this meeting yeah it'll
it'll be the fifth thing that we review
yeah if Amy
answers okay thank
you okay is there let's go ahead and
vote then about the other consent agenda
items um could you repeat those consent
again yes it is
application uh arb2
24-18 uh address is 514 North View
application ARB
24-9 address is 792 Francis that's
actually one of the ones that he's
inquiring
about I should right I'm sorry yes so
that one will be taken off of consent um
that Sor I don't read that again uh
application ARB
24-20 the address is 291 South
cassingham um application Bap
24-17 the address is 2606 Beckley Park
and the app the applicant is Ethan
mcgory and then that's it is this one
also no no we're hearing we're hearing
the first three you've hit all of them
okay so is there anyone it's here for
any of those other
applications uh for 247 on
brenwood you're here for that yeah and
you want to speak for it or against it
uh for it I'm on behalf of that okay
24 what what's the address again the
address um
2596 business there oh okay you'll be
number three I skip iiz that's okay yeah
yeah your application is still being
heard okay okay is there is there a
board member that will make a motion to
approve these one two three applications
motion to approve Jones second
Scott I will call the rooll Mr
hire yes Miss Scott Mr Scott I'm
sorry yes
miss m Jones yes Mr Hall yes Madam Tony
yes okay so those applications are
approved okay so we will start then with
old business our first application under
old business is Bap
24-9
where'sa who the address is 129 South
cassingham the applicant is Brenda par
who I do not see I'll text her in the
audience so we will go ahead and move to
number two it is application ARB
24-14 the address is 2357 Beckley Park
the applicant is Guy Allison the owner
is Alexa
Mera the applicant is seeking architect
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness to demolish a
deteriorated garage structure in
existing wood deck and rep with attached
garage Edition and covered patio this
application was tabled at our last
meeting uh yes that's
right um can we have you sworn in yes
please state your name guy Allison you
saw me swear orir the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
yes thank
you okay can you just give us an update
as to some of the changes that you made
to your oh uh certainly okay uh we
consulted with uh Miss Boker and got
some feedback on some of the um can you
speak into the mic is it on yeah I had I
had it to the side sorry um so um we uh
were able to um eliminate some of the uh
transition difficulties along the East
Elevation um where there is you know
because we had a a brick uh Soldier
course uh
roll lock that um protruded and didn't
make a nice transition so we um modified
it to incorporate that original Stone uh
with a more seam uh seamless uh
transition where we can also at the same
time um beautify some old cinder block
from prior which was you know not really
consistent with with what their uh aim
is so
um that will um make a better transition
and then also um that along that East
Elevation as well um because the prior
Edition
had such a poorly uh installed brick
work
um the only solution is really to uh
clad it so that it's
um there's only one original brick and
instead of trying to uh preserve that
which was just to you know the the
joints
were you know
from well out of Tolerance and um they
think that'll give a nice uh nicer uh
presentation for
their um neighbors and this you know
this street skate this this here so that
that middle section there um and then we
we incorporated that suggestion from Mr
H higher with the wall Dormer so kind of
you know certainly gives them more room
inside that Master
Suite um and then again miss Boker kind
of noted
to make the three sides um
coherent so we're able to take the the
half timbering
along all three faces and
um you know it
seems yeah I can speak to it a little
bit Market Improvement you want me to
give this
St okay are are you done yeah sorry
thank you Karen's gonna tell us too that
from her yeah I just I just didn't get a
chance to like pipe in my staff report
really quick but um um you were it was
we had a very nice conversation I went
over every single thing that we talked
about the board the wall Dormer adding
Timbers um putting the um the the ridge
of the of the shed Dormer down from the
ridge line um putting lessening the
brick and making it even all the way
around I mean basically everything that
the board asked him to do he he really
went ahead and did it um there's still a
little refinement in the drawings that
need to be done I and I understand that
but I'm happy to work with the applicant
um I did want to point out also that
they he took it one step further on this
elevation if you remember right um this
is a vinyl sided I think it's vinyl
right now vinyl sighted um nothing is
there no You In fairness you can't see
it from the street I don't even know if
you could see it from the neighbor's
house but it's really hidden back there
but there currently are no windows at
all and the board really pushed them to
to think about putting windows in and
they did um but it is it's still a cited
you know house so I don't know how how
you could accomplish um any timbering
and I don't know that it's necessary in
that particular location but I really
appreciate the fact that you found a way
to put they'll welcome it too just for
their family room it's gonna bring in
exactly the natural light um and I also
just wanted to point out the
garages Kathy were kind of back and
forth about this I can't remember if we
pulled that as a separate we were going
to just keep this as all at one
application to go that that's fine and
he needs to file a SE sep Bap
application for the functional Dormer
yes this one is in the a mill for a
special permit B okay perfect maybe for
next I think may all right thank
you anything else sir uh no me okay is
there a board member that would like to
go first about this application I'll go
first I have just a couple of comments
um what is if you go to
sk3 the wall Dormer that we created you
know the advantage of having a wall
Dormer is that the windows can sit
really anywhere up and down right so
when you're in that room where is the
floor level in relation to the sill of
that window that ex you have a cursor
there right is that a cursor or yeah oh
I'm sorry yes where would you like okay
so for the original that's just simply
in a in a closet there so it's uh but
some of the Interior modification but um
the one on the right but you're
referring uh where's the floor level for
this room so this this floor it's got a
particularly
um high level uh or uh like it's
probably down quite a bit maybe below
the timbering there like maybe here yeah
so it's pretty I mean it's it's I think
we're going to put it about maybe about
12 feet so it's you know it's the window
will be high it'll maybe be 44 Ines
because this would look better if the
window was pulled down further may maybe
in line with the with the Eve there what
do well I guess what do you want to have
on this
wall uh well oh for finish well is it
just going to be a painted you're going
to put like a um a dresser in front of
it or something like that yeah yeah yes
precisely yeah some so just just set it
at like four feet above the above the
floor and because the advantage of a
wall Dormer is that you can set these
windows anywhere right as long as it
doesn't go below the floor right but you
could set them anywhere in relationship
to the floor but this looks forced okay
I would pull this down bring yeah yeah
bring them down and may maybe this still
aligns with the Eve I don't know I mean
maybe you know or you could pull it down
even further got it um just so that
because this just you know you still
have a dormer roof that's almost at the
intersection you still have this kind of
let do high you know area and it would
look this is refinement level now right
but it would look it would look better
in proportion because you did so many
nice other things here pull it down you
know and set that window sill maybe down
here yeah and then your your shed roof
comes down you know it'll be easier for
them really I think to uh construct that
Roof System definitely definitely so
that was one comment and the other only
other comment I had was
um the garage the eve height at 10 feet
does that meet our standard 10 feet I
thought it was nine pardon the eve
height of a garage is it 10 or nine um
it it changes based on the size of the
lot but nine is the the standard for the
standard 674 foot garage so in this case
is the 10 ft um that's up to beap
obviously right yes I just it was just a
question no but that would also have to
be addressed and receive a variance
approval if this lot is smaller than
14,000 yeah I think yes that's correct
that should have been at nine
feet do you understand the yeah
definitely yeah this P you know this
needs probably probably need to pull
down another foot got it got it you have
to consider your garage door and it h
you know the new garage doors don't need
as much overhead space but you have to
be careful gotta go I I'll I'll confirm
and update it looks like it would not be
a
problem so he's willing to make that
adjustment correct Fe yeah we have to
Yes um yeah I I'll see if
that
okay and if you do that and if you're
required to do that which I would
recommend because I think aesthetically
it will look better as well okay but the
the whole belt course uh that you have a
brick I I would consider lowering that
as well because once you pull that Eve
down a foot then that belt course of
brick is going to feel like high pants
High belt and and that will save you
money too because you're not having to
have your Mason put as much brick work
it almost be a 5050 yeah with the nine
so it's you pull it a foot pull it a
foot yeah okay nine
foot Mr Hall you want to go
next my only comments were're on the
garage in the hide of Eve so I'm good
with it I'm sorry I didn't catch that
I've just been concentrating on the
house
part Mr
Scott yeah I think Mr H you have a
pointer can you be my pointer uh can you
go to SK
2 I think it is the back the rear
elevation and then we'll jump to
sk5 there it is I want to talk about the
post and your um location of the post
relationship to the roof sure you would
zoom in on
that the relationship uh uh where that
support column comes up and and
meeter uh which to me it looks like may
be a beam um is fine uh if the rafters
are sitting on that beam yeah um well
we'll probably face mount them just for
shallower
depth um you know what I mean I I do so
if if that's if in this in this view the
post supports a beam that then the
rafters sit on and that beam can Cass
the post which is acceptable if we go to
the other view
sk5 we have a more extreme version of
that in the other direction now as well
keep going right there so now the the
rafters appear to be a beam that stick
past the post to two or three feet and
the roof rafter or the sloped portion
got it got it yeah we need uh isn't
sitting on a beam but it's kind of
sticking out to the end so the location
of that column to the relationship of
the Eve is not right I see that and I
don't see a plan detail of this it'll
yeah that that will definitely need to
move it'll sh to be much more arit
accurate to how it will one function
yeah it'll be thank you s it'll
definitely it needs to shift I see that
I don't think it affects the design but
in its current location I don't think it
works there's that's my only comment and
they'll welcome it f away yeah well it
wants to uh and then my last comment
um low slope standing low slope it's
actually that's just a I guess it is a
low slope standing C metal roof likes
412 I don't know what the slope of this
is looks like it's
212 I highly recommend you not do not go
below 212 with standing seam metal roof
I also highly recommend you use an ice
and water Shield over the entire thing
because s seam does not perform well
with 212 uh but if we look at that rear
elevation back on sk2
please uh I do not believe your
elevation design detail that I haven't
seen yet but of that window sitting in
the sty SE metal roof uh if he zoom in
on that for me uh that's going to leak
so I know what you've done you've pulled
a flat part of that the roof slopes up
it's it's flattens out at the window but
you're going to want have more vertical
wall below the window so you're just
going to want to lower that flat part
into the roof it's G to be much
longer but uh you don't in this view it
appears that you know that sits right at
the sill of the window uh which where
the window has drainage systems in it
and it needs to have something to up so
just know that that's going to leak and
it's not
representational um pardon me
uh just size it a little smaller just so
that maybe we don't have maybe yeah I I
think you're you're so close pulling it
up to Avid yeah I I would look at that
water is the last thing we want you're
gonna either want to pull the flat part
of that roof down and I'll call it that
that's the low slope the the little
really low slope quarter inch per foot
slope roof you know six to8 inches below
that window would be ideal but if you
that's going to lower that and it's
going to make that thing really really
long because your main roof your your
standing steam is at a low slope so the
the combination of those is going to
make that really long and probably not
beneficial so I would highly recommend
raising that window raising smaller yeah
they have some Flex there I would look
at maybe what what you get when you have
the the two windows to the right of that
that proportion that was just reused it
looks like the window to the left is
larger
right maybe that would help get it out
of the the standing seam
metal but I definitely I would I'd go
up in making the windows smaller in the
in the vertical height uh to get out of
that
roof other than that I agree with the
earlier comments and I have no other
nothing else to to add thank
you Miss
Jones um I don't have anything
additional to add in terms of critique
comments um but I think the addition of
I think staff consults um comments and
other board comments from the last round
look really good thank
you um just for the record I'm
because we had such a nice conversation
and everything that we did do was he was
very responsive I feel comfortable if
you if you all wanted to um condition it
upon me working with the applicant up to
you but I'm comfortable because the
applicant listened very well well we
didn't
get to the the beam and the windows and
the garage but everything else the the
only comment that I had would you go to
that elevation that has the the existing
part of the house that he's adding the
windows
to this one nope oh I know you're the
tall
piece so you're adding the um James
Hardy siding so is that like a flat
board siding or what is that sighting uh
well you know cement fiberboard uh
planks so it's planks yeah planks okay
okay at first I thought you were doing
it like in a stucco kind of like what
you were doing on the rest of the house
yeah um just what um the top elements
there uh where there's the panels those
we can do in the a
grain uh architectural panel that'll
kind of emulate what they have elsewhere
but you know for the big ation there's
no way you can without so right that's
why they'll have to different to switch
but it'll be painted the same uh collar
so so that whole wall is horizontal
siding no no just up up to the oh yeah
that that elevation there that steep
Gable yeah well it's
vinyl okay and so the hearty plank then
goes around the corner there it is to
the other side of it too okay yeah it'll
be wrapped yeah okay I was confused now
that that existing vinyl is not a lap sh
it's not a lap it's it's similar to more
of a shiplap with a yeah with a you know
it's not a nickel Gap but it's it's got
a quarter or half inch Gap is are you
matching the profile of that oh well in
terms of projection like the depth just
the profile of how uh well they have
kind of standard I think there's a you
know a couple options like um whether
it's a 5 in blank or a
four if you could work with kind like
make sure that gets on record you could
see them around here and you can see
that sometimes it makes a difference no
and I think it makes it makes a big
difference on on the Finish finished
look of quality I think if it's a a
cement board is great so that's an
upgrade better in general not
necessarily um but if like like a lap
sighting where you're lapping a board
over a board and of the traditional
Cedar type of thing in Hardy is is great
but if you do more of a modern look
where it's a nickel Gap or more of a
like a tongue and groove kind of
assembly yeah it's more modern and you
still get the horizontal lines but it's
cleaner appreciate that more so I I
would I would if you're looking for a
recommendation I would push you towards
more of the kind of nickel Gap or the
with a little bit more wider seam that
kind of not that I need to match vinyl
that's never an intent uh but to give
some character and some going taking a
little bit more historical would be be
preferred okay yeah I'll check with and
I I still thought that the second floor
looked like it needed some kind of
detail up there and so maybe it's just a
little decorative element maybe it's a
little round or a little square thing
that has a shutter on it it's it's fake
but just anything up there you're
spending all this money to make that
side look better but that top still
looks like it's kind of Forgotten so
couple shuttered windows or little
element up there would add a big agree
it it'll be uh uh relatively in uh
inexpensive to right right yeah the the
goal is not to spend money it's just
there's there's cues in on the front of
your house where the Gable is a little
triangle right at the top it doesn't
have to be fake shutters it doesn't have
to be like old windows it can be just a
little bit of detail that or a little
bit of a re rectangular and a vertical
orientation of a vent I know you don't
have an attic space there to vent but
something like that that's subtle that's
not a lot of money that could really go
a long way to kind of soften that I
agree again we probably will never see
it right you can't drive by this to see
it but it will definitely go long way to
help that if your neighbor has Windows
on that side of their house they're
looking at
it that's all I had two shutters here
yeah okay so do we need findings of fact
and I'm going to read separate for the
detach garage and the addition to the
house thank you so the findings of fact
and decision of the board for
application number AR B- 24-14 for
property located at 2357 Beckley Park
the board finds that a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued
for the proposed garage and porch
addition to the principal structure
which are architecturally compatible
with the existing structure with the
following conditions that the lower
window in the large shed Dormer on the
East
Elevation lower the window in the large
shed Dormer on the East Elevation lower
the Dormer that would be the windows and
the Dormer so it's not just pulling the
windows lowering the window the Dormer
okay
thank you for clarifying that lower the
Dormer and window uh the large shed
Dormer on the East Elevation shift the
porch roof
column and look at the window above for
adjustments all changes required by the
conditions for this approval are subject
to further review and approval by the
design consultant the garage e height
nine um I'm going to read that separate
oh so do you want to vote on both of
them
separately okay so that's a motion for
the addition to the house okay is there
is there a board member that will make a
motion motion to approve
Hall with the
conditions we'll call the rooll Mr H
higher yes Mr Hall yes Mr Scott yes
Jones yes Madam Tony yes and then the
fining effect decision of the board
board for application number ar- 24-14
which will be submitted under a board of
zoning and planning application for 2357
Beckley Park uh the board recommends
design
approval to the board of zoning and
planning subject to zoning
approval for the proposed detach garage
with the condition that they lower the
eve height of the detached garage and
the belt course of
brick Mr Alon do you understand all
those findings of fact uh yes yes okay
the the belt course was the um that was
the U yep just as long as you understand
should be third or so right yep okay is
there a board member that will make a
motion so moved
higher second
Hall call the rooll Miss
Jones yes Mr Scott yes Mr H yes Mr Hall
yes Adam Tony yes thank you so you are
approved sir um Kon will be in touch
with you to move forward thank you so
much thank you
have made the motion on first uh Paul
and
Jones okay our next applicant is new
business it is arb2
24-17 the address is 2596 Brentwood the
applicant is Nathan vilia the owner is
Amy and Troy Stevens the applicant is
seeking Architectural Review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a roof addition over
an existing stairs at the rear of the
principal
structure is the applicant here please
come forward and be sworn in and in the
meantime Karen will give us a little
background on this project please state
your name Nathan Villa do you somly
swear or affirm the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the yes I
do thank
you sorry that up
here all right um
sorry I just have to make sure we're
sharing it on Zoom okay this application
is um
for a really it's really for a roof
that's supported by a post that's going
to clean up a backyard that's kind of a
a as you were explaining to me kind of a
water mess correct and I'm going to show
the pictures of it if I can find them um
I also asked the applicant if the house
was actually going to be blue but he um
assured me that it
wasn't but this is this is currently how
the um existing house how it exists
currently but I'm going to bring up the
photo too because you'll see that it's
just not this clean at all there's a
Pergola that also exist that um that is
to on the left side of this of the
elevation I think that you can see in
this one that exists currently correct
yes and that's an 8 by8 post yes so one
of the discussions that the applicant
did I talk to you on the phone today
yeah uh yesterday yeah okay yesterday um
my concern and I think one other board
member was also that the post seemed a
little bit um thin in some of the
drawings especially some of the um the
um handdrawn drawing which is Beautiful
by the way I don't know if you did it or
not I didn't and I do have a 2d
elevation as well that's needed
um no so the black and white
elevation um but it just seemed
disproportionate so but you assured me
that in in actuality that also was going
to be an 8 by8 post yeah absolutely
we're matching the size of that Arbor
post um I do want to bring through the
pictures of the
existing to give the board kind of the
idea of what's going on back there now
there's a good one it's kind of a mess
right
here so he's basically going to connect
it all clean it up and have some and
unify the two entrances this is kind of
the primary entrance to this is their
main entrance yes so give it a more of a
formality okay is there anything else
you want to explain about the project uh
I I can if if if needed okay you want to
just go to questions then sure okay is
there a board member that would like to
go first asking
questions Mr Hall thank you um my only
comment is if you go to this I you I
like the the brackets I assume those are
coming from Elsewhere on the house I
think I see one in the back corner over
there they actually do not exist on the
home currently no we are going to be
making those correct okay um will that
even so I feel like if you're going to
put one on the end it needs to be one on
the other end to bance it out and same
on this side but I'm not sure with the
way that is rectal linear wise and the
column that all that comes together in
in a way that that that makes a lot of
sense either but I on this one they
definitely I recommend a bracket on both
sides of that roof
structure
um on the middle one I think the the
comment about the column
and I struggle I even struggle a little
bit with the planter below and
everything and and just sort of the
relative cohesiveness of all that um and
what that means um I think if you're
going to I'm not even sure the brackets
are needed over there I guess is what
I'm saying okay yeah that's I don't know
how anybody else would feel about that
but that just this it seems a little
incomplete but not complete and I don't
know how to tell you to to necessarily
fix it but I the the the planner below
the brackets I think the the way you've
handled the roof the maned roof and
everything the little bit of a maner
roof and the flatness of it I think
that's I think that all works out pretty
well but um otherwise I think maybe
explore the idea of a different column
structure coming down on the corner and
get rid of the brackets and then let
this have two brackets on on there okay
um might be a a better solution
okay Mr Hall
or I'm sorry Mr
higher well um it's not the solution I
would have chosen but it's kind of um
it's kind of
charming um it reminds me of you know I
mean you go to you go to Italy and
you'll have all kinds of strange little
stairs and posts and things and brackets
and so I'm kind of I'm kind of
interested in the charm of it although I
do agree with Mr Hall that that post
feels kind of uh unsuit like it can't
support all that stuff above and I feel
like it's not sturdy looking um what I
would consider looking at is that the
post itself
becomes um shaped not just Square okay
and then at the top instead of having
the brackets against the wall use the
post with brackets okay that'll give it
more substance at the capital which
looks like this thing is you know
supporting up this corner sure and then
whatever you want to do with the planter
or the what's what's below it I there is
a little bit of charm in that for me but
um
otherwise you wouldn't need I don't
think you need the brackets uh you don't
need the bracket against the wall in
that case it would just be on at the
post and then this other one I I would
disagree with Mr Hall in this case just
because of what I'm what I'm leading you
towards where the post has the brackets
and then you'd have just one on the
outside wall that way where the roofs
come together kind of in the middle
there's there's not a whole bunch of
brackets going on it's okay two at the
post and then the one at the outside and
and then maybe at the other you wouldn't
even have to have one at the other end
because otherwise what I would have
recommended is that you have a shed roof
from the
uh the the double door you know over the
double doors is coming this way and
instead of trying to you know
necessarily meet at a 45 down there with
the post that you simply have a roof
that slopes under that double window on
the second floor and runs past it okay
we just had an application where we saw
something like that right it ran in One
Direction not trying to take up the
corner because I do worry about the low
slope of that flat roof you have there
and over time you know deterioration and
uh longevity of that if you had just one
slope then you would have to hold it in
so that it
didn't all right I'll just you would
slope it this way see from this
wall and then you would have to come out
only as far as you were allowed to with
this slope and then just have a triangle
that would probably line up with that
post pretty nicely and then you just so
this would just be a shed roof that ran
basically in this direction you see all
along here yeah yeah did you look at
that
um I can't say we we did uh we had a
couple different iterations um and the
homeowner was a big fan of this partly
because it represents what something
their neighbor has currently and she was
really drawn to it um so we were happy
with it and kind of stuck with that it
stuck with our sopit line across the
back as well which was important yeah
it's Charming I just you know that was
just would would be another option but I
certainly wouldn't make that a condition
okay but you know I do think there's
this is very interesting but I would
play with a bracket here and a bracket
here get rid of this one and just have
this one on the outside I do like this
bracket a lot better than this bracket I
don't know if they're the same it looks
like they might be I can barely see the
detail at the bottom but this is this is
quite Charming isn't there a bracket
weight on the other end Mr H looks like
there's one down here too so would you
just take that one and move it around
the corner so that it's on the same side
of that elevation I don't know I mean I
just think you don't need this one here
even you know here's a single-sided one
right is there a single-sided one I just
think this post could use the
brackets and this wouldn't be a square
anymore it would be an octagon or a
hexagon or whatever it is so that one
side of it lines up with the wall here
and the other one face of it lines up
with this wall here you put the bracket
on and it has more substance
absolutely uh but yeah otherwise what is
this what is this thing
here that's an existing Arbor and it's
not attached to the wall correct okay
that's all I have kind of see it here
kind of kinda oh
yeah Mr
Scott let's talk about the post can we
scroll down to uh the renderings of
the so your post is at a 45 degree angle
M uh and the location of it is off is
not equal from both sides of your
roof so structurally again I question
that that because how do you make that
work with beams
and um roofs and so I worry especially
steming off of what Mr H higher has said
about these brackets which I do actually
agree with a lot I think that would
definitely help give a little bit more
substance to the corner but now but you
have a 45 degree column so the column is
going to have to rotate the 90° square
with your brackets uh I would highly
recommend trying to figure out it being
somewhat equal distance from the fascia
of the overhang and then you're based on
can you keep going down to the actual
renderings with the I think they're low
voltage
lighting yeah awesome page sorry it's at
the
end it might not be this one though yep
keep
going keep going can be a little dark to
see but there's it's if you pull it up
on your iPad you might be able to see it
for the board but
um it looks like this wall uh that the
post is coming down to has a concrete
cap
maybe or some sort yes it does so we're
going to do limestone coping there
that's going to be reflected in uh if
the column is coming down is the column
gonna get larger than we we're seeing is
it going to 8 by eight it is and it's uh
if you look at the let me get the
correct page down here so I don't have a
problem with the 8 by8 it's Prett that's
a pretty large wood column with brackets
now that thing is going to hold up the
whole house I think it's going to be
great uh my my problem is how it hits
this thin little countertop looking
material isn't G doesn't look supportive
at all so it's kind of a poor 3D there
so we're building a foundation under
that and it's going to be sitting on the
foundation but visually it doesn't work
okay right I got you structurally you
got that thing sitting on CMU that's
great uh but I think how that column
comes and meets this
what to me looks like an island a
countertop Island okay so really think
about how that column comes especially
now that when it rotates and doesn't
line up with your 45 degree slice of
that let's call it the island
um that you're I think there just needs
to be that needs to be rethought maybe
the column comes down and the that wall
kind of pulls apart so the column comes
down and meets the foundation at the
ground okay um or a different that
Island's a different the the wall is a
different shape uh no matter what if
it's sitting on a you should have like a
4inch concrete cap and then the
connection of that column to that cap is
something that looks like a sub
substance so some you know brackets or
steel or something that okay because
that what's you're transferring that
load from that
column to the CMU but in visually it's
to that whatever that is I got you so
you know I think there's there's there's
that's kind of an unresolved area of
carrying that load down I think when you
start at the top and if you can get the
column aligned to your the overhangs uh
you get the brackets in to make all that
work as you work your way down I think
you just pay special attention to how
that column hits okay but I like the
quirkiness of what the roof shape is I I
see that there's other options we could
look at uh but I kind of I think it's
cool I think it's it's different and
unique um uh you know I think you're
it's it's all being overpowered by this
trellis that's just floating out there
into the yards so
um but I think I think just that's
that's my really my only comment is is
really kind of making sure that all
works together and I think it'll be
really special if you get it okay to a
point where it
works Miss Jones uh my comments were
primarily just related to the symmetry
of the brackets and column placement as
well and I think uh Mr hire and Mr Hall
and Mr Scott gave you some great
feedback already so that's all for me
okay and I have nothing new to add I
think um gave you some great ideas so
what one more oh you got one more idea
I'm looking at it so the little planter
that's next to the door on the right you
have it as a is that
a built-in that's going to be permanent
or is that going to be like a piece of
furniture that's just that's going to be
built in we're building that out of CMU
I would recommend pulling that out and
engaging to the corner of the house
maybe or at least to the stoop uh
because you know I like that that's
something that was built into the house
originally and it's kind of this quirky
little planter box so uh I think that's
neat I think it's cool I just don't like
it being this this it looks like a piece
that You' buy it you know up at hardware
store or something in which would have
been fine but I think if you're going to
build it in it should it should either
line up with the the steps better or
come out to the corner of the house okay
which doesn't hurt your circulation in
any way agree not really
encroaching it eliminates your Leaf
catcher yeah there's currently an issue
there right now yeah yeah are you are
you the builder of the project yeah I'm
I'm with the the Builder yeah I mean it
would you would you consider making that
column at least in its exterior
octagonal in section because you could
still have a 4x4 or whatever inside of
it but if you if you fur it out to make
it octagonal then you take care of the
angle of the plant or below plus the
brackets above but it would need to get
more substantial in order to make that
work work and then you have more joints
that you're dealing with I mean if it
doesn't fit your budget then Mr Scott's
idea to just turn it that for back the
to be 90 degrees would be the make the
most sense okay yeah absolutely but the
OCTA would be
cool whole another
level okay do we have findings of
fact the findings of fact and decision
of the board for application number ar-
24-17 for property located at 2596
brenwood the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued noting that the proposed new roof
over the stairs at the rear of the
principal structure are architecturally
compatible with the existing structure
with the following
conditions that brackets be added at the
corner
post uh and the corner post should be
rotated 90 de or
45 45 degrees or
octagonal uh that
a and that a cap of an appropriate size
be added at the base of that
post and that the
planter be extended to the end of the
steps or corner of the
house so I think we also said that
location of that needs to be put at the
true corner
right the location of that post needs to
be at the true Corner because it doesn't
look like it's drawn at the true corner
right okay so post located to the corner
I I don't think you can do that on it
has to be set back it would be both
directions I thought I was recommending
it be equal if possible um if not then
it's further quirkiness but let's how
about all changes required by the
conditions for this approval are subject
to further review by the design
consultant perfect I love it okay
okay do you understand the findings
effect yeah and for that post placement
um I where it's placed at if you look at
sheet six I cannot bring that further
off the house I'll say towards the arbor
if that makes sense
um as far as where the other for our
sopit across the back to line
up okay understood and I think in the
plan it makx more because you're tying a
beam over to the structure of the house
yeah get
that um it's just that your overhangs
then are different with and that might
be fine too I just what page
nine you can see it in
um so this location if you drew a line
out here from this wall you're behind it
but then if you drew this down here you
see how much further behind this corner
this wall you are you see what I'm
saying yeah so this post really should
be moving out yeah more now it's not
symmetrical but nothing symmetrical here
right you can't draw 45 here and hit
that column so it's not like you're
hitting anything that's symmetrical I
mean I would tend to want to pull this
out and maybe change this hexagon a
little bit so that you get what Mr
Scott's saying is that this column and
whatever beam it's got with it is in the
same relationship to this wall as it
would
be down here you see yeah this post
would have to come out
would we want my uh overhang to come so
part of what we were trying to do was
keep our overhang in line with the
corner where you see the electrical
meter on if I'm making sense yeah he's
pulled it back I think oh I see so
that's part of also why we pulled the
post back
oh so it's
asymmetrical I'm fine with either I just
Str it's
okay further
quirkiness okay just the details are the
details won't make it
yeah okay so at this point you just work
with Karen and she'll help you work
through the details okay so do we we
need I have a motion so somebody want to
make that motion yeah and I I on the
record that if I have trouble getting
you to where we need to be then you'll
come back here okay that's up to me okay
if we're going with like an approval at
the condition that you work with me
absolutely is there a board member that
will make a motion so moved
Scott second
Jones I will call the
role Mr H higher yes Mr Hall yes M Jones
yes Mr Scott yes Madam Tony yes you are
approved thank you very much and I just
wait to hear from Karen or you can
contact her as soon as you're ready to
okay start
working I will thank you thank you
you're gonna have elevations for me
anyway right I I printed some out if
that works just kid oh
okay okay we are going to review
application number arb2 24-19 the
address is 792 Francis the applicant is
Amy lowerhouse the owner is Emily
Vincent and Joe hle the applicant is
seeking architecture review and approval
and a certificate of appropriateness for
two-story Edition to the rear of the
house and the front porch Edition
Amy is here and can be sworn in and
Karen you have any background on this or
I really don't I'm gonna let Amy present
because um this was yes as a consent so
please state your name Amy Lous you
somly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you so Amy we have a
neighbor that came to the meeting he
would basically just like to know what
understand the project so do you doing a
quickie um yep absolutely so we are at
adding a two-story addition to the back
of the house um and then we are adding a
front porch as well um as part of it we
are also residing the whole house uh
with a fiber cement product um doing
horizontal uh on the lower level and um
a shake type product on the upper level
um just to give it a little bit more
character
uh yeah the porch will have a metal
roof pretty simple
ready okay I'm gonna ask the uh member
of the audience that came up earlier
would you please come up and be sworn in
and then you can ask Miss louse any
questions that you might have about the
Pro please state your name d David Green
raise your right
hand do you Solly swear from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you and
what's your address sir
806 Francis two houses
down okay and so what are your questions
about the project um I think it's a good
idea to uh create a porch this is just a
big box um I think the porch should look
at similar porches in the area and um
the rear uh I don't know what the rear
looks like I I I would like to get an
elevation of the rear but
um new looks
like they uh
proposed right here okay so it's
expansion but it's not a complete
expansion of the whole
structure okay and
um yeah I don't know it looks okay I I
just feel that uh this
house is sort of a simple
minimalistic sort of building anything
that would add a little detail to it
would be and then would reflect what's
around it would be nice and um a porch
that would expand the the front and go
the length of the front would be nice it
would uh soften up the front
and I
think I don't know I don't I I haven't
seen that design where you have a a
Gable at the end I mean that's kind of a
I don't know unusual look but
um I guess it's okay I mean it's I think
it would be better if you went straight
across but doesn't matter it's it's it's
an improvement that's all I'm going to
say and
um
the I I guess the the replacing of the
um what is it aluminum siding yeah that
that's an improvement so I think
anything that's an improvement is
welcome I mean I'm that's what I'm
trying to do to my house so uh
but I can't go over there and tell them
what to do so you know it's but I think
the um the intent is good I think maybe
there's a couple of little things that
could be done I think the
entryway could be emphasized a little
bit
more I'm not not sure that you're making
um suggestions that are appropriate um
this applicant has hired an architect I
know what they want to their house if
you have objections I don't have an
objection to this specifically I just
think it's good that they're doing
something that improves the overall look
at the house that's awesome and that
they're taking time and money and effort
to do this and they don't have to do
this I mean it's could leave it just the
way it is but um I think what they're
doing is good and I just thought I'd
throw in a few comments but um I think
the um overall effort is better off to
leave it at that
then okay all right thank you
okay anything else you want to add Miss
lowerhouse no okay thank you for coming
in we appreciate that sure since it's no
longer on consent then we need to have
the the vote vote is there a board
member that will make a motion do you
want me to read the findings do we have
any
comments ohing sure
Amy well being that this originally was
consent no I know I was sure if you were
going to get into anything so
on the agenda okay is there a board
member that will make a motion to
approve uh so moved
higher second Paul oh sorry we were like
each other we'll give it to Hall okay he
won
uh Mr
Hall yes Mr hire yes Miss Jones yes Mr
Scott yes Madam Tony yes thank you thank
you you are approved thanks for coming
in thank D okay um and it looks like our
first application um Brenda Parker 129
South cassingham um is a no-show so does
that just get tabled to the next meeting
yes let's let's recommend that this be
heard at the July 11th ARB meeting
tabled it to July 11th um do you need a
motion and uh the table I'll make that
motion hire second
Scott and what address was that one it
is 129 South cassingham just want to
make sure I have it on the correct one
all right and I will is that
24-9 table yeah I
got to July 11 second what I
said uh Mr
Hall Mr H yes M Jones yes Mr Scott yes
mam Tony
yes okay I think that is it for today we
are
adjourned thank
you yeah