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go ladies and gentlemen welcome to the
Tuesday December 5th meeting Beckley
city council welcome to all of you here
and as always thank you for your service
to our
city Mr peek how's how are you doing
it's just fabulous thank you and I
really like your your lighting that
you've added to this it's very festive
try and add a little you know jaaz here
tonight yeah mission accomplished all
right well go ahead and uh call the
rooll for us then miss sod yes Miss
Robinson here Mr Markham here Mr
Marcelino y Mr Kingler present Miss Lamy
here and Miss fibal I'm here please rise
for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the Republic
for which stands Nation God
indivisible and justice for all
all right I believe we have no
presentations with special guests or
ordinances with special guests do we
have any speaker
slips no speaker slips no speaker slips
we will go to the president's report
president's report is very brief I
remind you once again that we will be
here next week I know it's like uh
groundhog day but uh next week Tuesday
um possibly we will wrap up for the year
at that
point right Monique's uh yeah yeah yeah
yeah uh and then also on your calendars
of course uh if that happens Tuesday
January 2 will be the special meeting we
uh are supposed to do it on the first
Monday of the year but the first Monday
of the year is January 1st so we push it
back one day further so make sure that
you're prepared for that and we will go
to the City
attorney thank you Mr merham actually I
do have one thing to report um I know
that we had shared
I had shared with uh city council we had
an extensive discussion a while back on
an executive session about a termination
of a police department employee and we
subsequently had an arbitration hearing
on that issue that we prevailed on so
the grievance the arbitrator denied the
grievance and uh upheld the termination
and again without getting into a lot of
details I just want to remind folks that
you know the the the issue in involved
um some Integrity questions about
actions of an officer again didn't
involve stealing money or anything like
that but it didn't it definitely
involved some Integrity questions and
you know one of the things that kind I
think drove the entire investigation and
the decisions being made by the chief
and the mayor ultimately was you know
what were not just words on paper and
you know it's the the um motto for the
police department the the fire fairness
Integrity
responsibility respect and empathy I
knew I was going to get one of them
wrong and and and so you know there were
re real issues um in this case involving
whether or not that well again the
city's thought that the officer clearly
did not meet those expectations um the
city is I mean look it's it's one of the
quickest investigations I've ever been
involved with and in law enforcement was
they the police department took the
allegations very seriously ass signed
Lieutenant Holden who did a fantastic
job investigating it and then with the
leadership of the chief and the mayor
the employee was ultimately terminated
you know when you go to arbitration I
tell people all the time the root word
of arbitration is arbitrary so you never
know even though it's a certainly we
were expecting a positive outcome but we
did get a positive outcome so I think
it's important for you folks and anybody
who's listening and paying attention
that know I think the city really and
the police department in particular
really stood up and dealt with a problem
ins internally once we became aware of
that problem and um now can move on in
in a much more productive
manner that is
all thank you Mr official that's great
to hear I take it back one more thing if
I can just mention um to you know I know
we're gonna maybe we well I won't have
to reiterate it but um House Bill 341
was introduced a couple weeks ago I just
want to make Council aware of that which
would
um modify some of the marijuana um
Provisions in chapter 3780 that was
approved in issue two one of the issue
one of the things in particular that's
being discussed is um allowing local
entities local municipalities to
regulate in addition to dispensaries
also regulate home growth so we'll see
where that goes you guys can look we'll
look at it when it comes around but it's
it's out there and I'm sure there'll be
some others as well now I'm done all
right thank you auditor report um just
real brief um I'll steal some of
beachers Thunder um just saw the um
investment report that we get from our
our investment advisors and we invested
about a million three um or actually a
million three um uh termed um all of
that was earning less than 1% we
replaced it reinvested it for dollars
over 5,000 or over 5% so we are
constantly ruring um these Investments
and re putting them into to High um High
returns so um a nice pickup for the
community thank you Mr
otter go to the administrative
update president thank you Mr President
um our first update on
the agenda is
the chief's
report is the chief with us
I
will stand in his stad and um you have a
written report in front of you um as you
can see we started getting those those
Club steering wheel locks
out um to our community we do have a um
Animal Control update we'll start to
provide those on a routine basis not at
every meeting but uh
frequently and you'll learn all sorts of
things things that you didn't know about
animal control and then there's also of
course a overview of our statistics
trailing um year-to date and 12- month
trailing any
questions Mr President yeah just a
comment I was gonna say like uh this is
really neat to see the animal control
report and uh I think is super helpful I
would encourage uh you to include this
you know frequently because I think it
helpful it's helpful for us to know what
the Animal Control Officers out there
doing and what's happening in beex was
just I really appreciated
it yeah we and great I'm glad to hear
that and we do plan on having them in
here
regularly I wanted to just second that I
found this to be you know in four years
I don't think I've really completely
understood the whole concept of the role
this gave me a better education so I
appreciate that being
honest who knew sick possums were a part
of that exactly there you go mayor I had
a quick question um given the unique
skill set that's laid out in the um
Animal Control um officer when that
person's out do we have someone who kind
of
temporarily pitches in given the unique
skill set or how do we handle that if
County Animal Control is our agency
that's our backup so they provide
support when our ACO is out for whatever
reason including 247 support it's a
different level of support okay uh than
our ACO provides but it is like you know
it is our backup good to know thank you
yeah okay uh next up Mr
price thank you mayor the only thing I'd
add is is once again some pancake
breakfast is this uh Saturday at Jeffrey
Mansion from 8:30 to 11: and thank you
to all the volunteers uh Council WBO and
others that will be assisting us um
again it's a fundraiser uh for the aex
historical society as well as the
recreation and parks department and it's
a great opportunity to gather with
community so hopefully if you uh can't
volunteer but can can be there and enjoy
it that would be great so um happy to
answer any
questions
Jess Mike I just wanted to highlight in
your report um your thank you to miss
Lauren Miller for her amazing work on
event management at Jeffrey Mansion um
just over the weekend I had a handful of
parents talking about their bar and Bot
Mitzvah and when they heard Lauren
Miller is the contact there they were
really impressed so she is it's great to
work you know and live in your community
and it's awesome that you got her hired
on and I look forward to many more great
things that Lauren's going to be doing
with her um the amazing work she's
already done in event management so
please from Council send that over to
her that we're proud of her and keep up
the good work thanks Jess appreciate it
M
Robinson sharing today um I was really
really happy to see the um the opening
up of the the alcohol events and the
number of of rentals that had allowed us
this year um not just with non-residents
but also um for residents I know um you
know it's sometimes hard to to get in
and have the event that you want to have
so I'm just really pleased to see that
so great work yeah that change to the
policy has been very successful so we
appreciate all the support on that
y
Lauren Miller also best front yard in
Beckley that's what I hear yeah yeah
husband's a grounds superintendent Golf
Course superintendent yeah he loves his
grass I also want to thank the rec
department on a fantastic tree lighting
uh Mike well done little hours a little
later I thought it was actually quite
Charming a little bit later I think it
worked well with the lights popped a lot
more so was nice it
did thank you for doing
that any other questions for
Mike all right we're moving on to Mr
Bayshore service
department yes mayor um the only thing I
want to add toh the report tonight just
a quick update on the leaf collection um
uh my South crew finished yesterday so
now I have two trucks in the
central everything um keeps going the
way it is I'm hoping to start the third
round around uh December 18th
I think that round will probably go
pretty quick um you know everything is
still working pretty good right
now thank you Andy any questions for
Andy all right one more note um is we
did meet this week to talk about our our
2024 Street projects so we're starting
to get those lined up um which will
include some 23 Street projects which
were delayed uh so we expect quite a bit
of Street Street Paving happening here
um in the next six months I would
say okay sorry I lost a
page beer anything
further actually Matt I had no Thunder
steel tonight so so you're
good uh couple things to highlight we do
have a manora lighting coming up on
Sunday at 6 pm
uh there is also a minor lighting at
Capital on the
7th uh which
is which is Thursday that's right thanks
takes a village here you guys are the
best mantros Festival of the Arts is on
Saturday along with the pancake
breakfast which Mike mentioned um I have
on here potential hearing date time for
ordinance 4023 I don't think that's
correct so anybody who sees that that'll
be in January um but that was so that's
a typo uh and then um just to note last
week we had a um a slew of zoning
meetings um we had tree and public
gardens Commission on Monday right
before our council meeting on Tuesday
then ARB held a special meeting and Bap
held a meeting Bap is continued they
tabled and they will continue their
hearing on December 18th at 6 PM um that
will be focused exclusively on 2200 East
Main so if you see a commission or board
member around please thank them for
their extra extra time that they're
putting in they're putting in a lot of
work right
now and um Sam did you have a question
about that yeah yeah so I actually
thought about that because I listened to
the meetings and it was pretty crazy you
know just the dedication they all put in
yeah is it appropriate for us to send a
thank you note or is that going too far
if we should hear an appeal I didn't
want to do anything but I did want to
thank you send a thank you note just for
their work yeah okay thanks as long as
you don't predicate like somehow
condition your thanks no
thank you if um also have uh a potential
first reading tonight that I wanted to
talk to you guys about here I talked
with Monique about that before having it
as a first reading because it wasn't on
our agenda so I'm gonna pass these
down uh how many council members four
this way sorry Joy G to pass that way
and I'll pull it up on the
screen um
the two parts two parts to it no
that's hold on one second guys uh 4623
would be a potential first reading we
just received this
um proposed intergovernmental agreement
from the library on
Monday uh I'm pulling it up on the
screen
too um
it is so as we've worked with the
library in the outdoor reading room um
we've been helping with design and
bidding processes for
them their attorney uh recommends for
their needs they need to have a formal
intergovernmental agreement if we go in
as we go into the actual bidding and
reward process um this kind of formal
this formalizes what we've been working
on the the funds that are mentioned here
would uh for the city's or the city's
contribution to the pocket park which
have already been budgeted for and
appropriated as part of our project so
from our perspective this is uh you know
formalizing what we have the library
needs it for legal compliance issues um
and has asked us to see if we can pass
it by the end of the year um that's why
I suggested after having just received
this uh a couple days ago that we might
want to have a first reading give you
guys a chance to look at it ask any
questions and then um come back with
more substantive questions at the second
reading um to try to accommodate their
timing don't have to have the first
reading just philosophically however you
guys want to do
it Mark do you have anything to add to
that no I reviewed the agreement there
was one small minor thing that you and I
should talk about but and the or I just
look at the ordinance it's fine okay are
we trying to get this passed on the
second reading I think that is their
hope right so we know okay yeah I we
could have a special meeting too that
the the timetable for that is what why
is that uh they are hoping to award the
bid okay and to the extent that they
want to make sure that they have a
binding contract that shows our
contribution so that they can award the
bid they're hoping to have that in
writing so the uh so the the timetable
that we're looking at for here that
we're hoping or you're hoping or the
library is hoping at least is that we
can introduce this tonight as a first
reading um and then we would have the
second
reading next week which would be our
last scheduled city council meeting yeah
now we' have the option of having a
third reading but we'd have to call a
special meeting for
that twitching over there or we can
suspend and adopt it next week pass it
that way and then this is so this is
under
Finance yes so Monique do you want to
speak to this I I I did want to share
that the mayor and I were able to talk
this afternoon um I indicated that my
preference would be to not have a first
reading on this tonight just so that um
we would all have a chance to see this
in advance um as the mayor just
circulated it U that that might be the
first time that all of us uh maybe or at
least myself are seeing that um but also
wanting to meet the libraries needs of
having this uh adopted so my suggestion
um would be for this not to come for
first reading tonight but for all of us
to uh go home digest this um have a
first reading at our December 12th
meeting and hopefully be prepared at
that time to adopt and suspend um and
that way we could still accommodate the
library and then also give us all time
to further
digested are there any uh comments or
thoughts or questions on this yes Miss
sad so um I completely respect that and
if that's what we need to do we should
do that I do feel and maybe it's just
because I'm shair of Park and wreck
right now um but this being a part of
the year of the parks and I feel like
there's been a lot of conversation about
the project um
I also wouldn't want to hold anything up
but everybody has to be comfortable at
the same time so um I feel pretty
comfortable with it but again we all are
chairs of different areas of the city
and so we get inundated with different
meetings and um
so um I sit in a different chair with
that that's fair any other comments or
questions yes uh Mr Kingler so they've
already bid it out and received uh bids
back in bids have not been opened but
they're C it's circulating right now oh
okay y so we don't so are we
anticipating and paying for the whole
thing no so this is our we've we've had
consistently on our budget to contribute
450 to the project um it will end up
probably being less than half of the
project okay um but so the from terms
and conditions this is identical to
everything we've talked about all along
this just formalizes it and I W to
also highlight that Monique's timing is
no different than having a first reading
here second reading it's just
philosophically whether you read it or
not read
it oh could we ask questions if we're
not reading
it it's my update it's not a first
reading yeah okay update the conceptual
ordinance just watch yourself man don't
know I don't know the Roberts
rules where did the changes that's such
a specific number in changes during
construction
I'd have to pull that up page three and
if we're not reading it I can ask
questions and get them answer later it's
fine that's okay have also not had a
chance to fully absorb what was prepared
by very competent legal council but I
you know I haven't had a chance to look
through it carefully I would have the
suggestion I would say that you know we
could take the week ask questions of the
mayor M and Ben Heckman as well I think
is available uh he did I think indicate
a willingness to come in next week too
and oh chat with us if he that should
definitely happen then he also mentioned
he' be willing to dress as Ben Franklin
if that was what we really needed i' say
we demand both
yeah put
on any other comments or
questions if if not my I feel my
judgment is to go with the uh council
member who is sponsoring this and so I
support Monique's decision um if there's
any dissension there we'll hear it now
if not
forever hold your peace and we will move
on the administrative
report thank you I have nothing further
and and happy to answer any
questions that was
grief hey the name you sure you got it
all in good I have so much more I can
talk to you about if you want had a
great field trip today to Compost
Facility in Delaware thank to Mark
fishal with the up too late you can't go
anymore consent agenda the meeting
minutes of November 28th
2023 any comments or questions on the
consent agenda seeing none I move to
adopt the consent agenda can I get a
second second second by Mr Kingler uh Mr
MC peek Mr Marcelino yes Miss lampy yes
Miss sad yes Mr Markham yes M FIB yes Mr
Kingler yes and Miss Robinson yes
consent agenda passes thank you Mr
official all right we have a third
reading of ordinance
38-23 to establish compensation for
non-bargaining unit employees of the
city of Bexley effective as of January
1st 2024 introduced by m
Lamy thank you um this is our uh
corresponding pay ordinance that kind of
tracks along with our budget um I think
we have a proposed
amended um mayor were you able to pull
that one up uh my just so everyone knows
my thought for tonight would be um we
could always vote to amend it but my
hope is that after we uh have discussion
on this ordinance and also hear from
Mike Price um and get additional
information on our budget I would like
to May or Mak sense to probably table
this one if we're going to table the
budget one as well am I right about
that great and then everyone can take
the week uh absorb and synthesize what
price is going to stun us with and uh
tonight and then hopefully vote on both
the pay ordinance and the budget next
week are you proposing to amend it
tonight and then table it uh that would
be my preference um it's my
understanding did we only have the one
Amendment um Mike from your department
or were there other amendments um I
don't think there have been other
amendments to pay
feature yeah I my cryptic comment at the
last meeting was more like in case
because seems like one that always yeah
stuff pops up so I think the only um
amendment that we have is the um
description or the pay range for Camp
administrator the proposed amendment
changes it from 14 to $23 an hour that
provides a range um based on what we
would need to hopefully stay competitive
and retain uh some good talent Mike was
there anything else you wanted to add to
that yeah just to just to be clear it it
changes the range from 14 to 23 it
doesn't go from a $14 position to 23
sorry yeah I I just want to make sure
that that was that was
clear so that is the only amendment
there um any any questions before I move
to amend amend it with that
change okay I move to amend ordinance
38-23 as shown on the screen motion to
amend by Miss lampy seconded by Mr
Kingler um we at we're at third readings
now so comments or questions comments or
questions from the
audience Mr
mCP Mr Markham yes Mr Kingler yes Miss
sod yes Mr Marcelino yes Miss fibal yes
Miss lankey yes and Miss Robinson yes
Amendment amended Amendment passes
ordinances amended ordinance is meant
close enough same thank you y back to
you are there any questions before I
move to table amended ordinance
38-23 okay seeing none I move to table
amended ordin ordinance
38-23 motion to table Miss lampy second
SEC second by Mr Kingler uh Mr
mCP Miss lamkey yes Miss sad yes Miss
fible yes Mr Markham yes M Robinson yes
Mr Marcelino yes Mr Kingler yes
ordinance is table
Mr official all right third reading of
ordinance 39-23 authorizing
Appropriations for the calendar year
beginning January 1st 2024 to
reappropriate all unexpended opwc
project Appropriations for 2024 and to
confirm the appointment of Mark fishell
as City attorney introduced by m
lamkey uh thank you at this point I'll
turn it over to mayor or Mike Price
whoever wants to take this one on first
for our budget discussion all
right well uh it's that time of the
meeting you have all been waiting
for let me uh let me share this screen
over here in theory um so we have a
before Mike gets going and I just want
to S of build up the suspense a little
bit until Mike's
presentation um we promised you that
Andy would bring home his presentation
with his final account which is the
really the most exciting account that he
has vehicle maintenance and urban
forestry
account the Future Finance director gets
to separate those two accounts at some
point in time but um we had a couple
plans we were finalizing uh at the last
budget and I think we are set although
you will not see many changes in it
because we' sort of anticipated we
thought we knew where we were going that
is on
page on M May's page 25 25 sounds about
right yep
25 um
and I'm gonna spoil the plot here by
uh giving some bullet points for what
Andy's about to tell you so Andy sure um
this is my final account like the mayor
said um before we get into um what the
mayor has on the screen just to run down
through some of my line items um not a
lot of changes um you'll see some small
increases um but most all the increases
are due to supplies um and just
everything's you know raised in raised
in 23 and I'm expecting it to raise more
than 24 um repairs and maintenance is
the first one you'll see a small raise
um we repurposed when we built the
garage we re repurposed our heaters um
and right now I'm waiting on quotes to
fix and replace them so I know I'm going
to spend more than
24 um the next increase you'll see is my
operating for the parks urban urban
forestry um that one I did raise just
we're seeing a lot of our chemicals
increasing um that we use in the park
some of the fertilizing and fertilizer
just pretty much everything that the the
guys are spraying um has just went
up um you also see um vehicle
maintenance I have I raised we actually
have already ran out of money in that
account for this year and Beach had had
to move some money for me um with some
of the new technology on these vehicles
um replacement parts and as long as we
keep our vehicles uh we had a couple big
hits with some major repairs this year
and I'm trying to bump that up a little
bit um to last all the way through
24 um next increase you'll see Trees and
Landscaping I raised a little um with
some of our new projects um and a couple
fill-ins we're just wanting to plant
some more trees so I up out a little
bit um and get to what the mayor has on
the screen um we are asking to add two
grounds crew uh positions uh to our
parks
department um right now we do not have
um a active tree pling tree pruning
program for our young trees
and this would help that um right now we
get about 200 work orders a year and um
basically it's a work order crew um and
we don't have a
program with the extra positions that
would help me get a program started and
overall would help the trees you know
future growth and everything um these
positions would also um eliminate some
of our contract mowing that we contract
out and I'm going to pause you there for
a second because the budget doesn't
reflect that yet um we're going to see a
$62,000 reduction among the contract yes
sir line Adam so that's not showing up
here yet I realized that when you and I
talked beer we had add we had corrected
the
crew salary piece but I we hadn't
subtracted the landscape yet so we have
to take out those contracts in your
brain take $68,000 off of this sheet and
you'll see that change line
so it's spread between contractual work
and grounds
maintenance
um it's a total of
$61,900 that will be taken off of there
but it will be spread it will be between
those two 5050 I don't know I'll I'll we
you'll see that reflected in the next
budget I don't want to give you a number
that's not necessarily correct some of
this some of this is for example mowing
contracted work which is probably ground
I just don't know what the split is
exactly total is
6193 not a penny more or a penny
less okay Andy sorry keep going Ben
that's what I have is
6193 um with these two positions I mean
was just overall help the department um
it has been underst staffed for the last
couple years well more than that um just
to give you an example uh 20
2014 the grounds maintenance we had
three employees um in 2023 we have two
and we've actually taken on 17 new
project
locations uh so this will help overall
with the whole operation and be able to
be better maintain um and get rid of
some of the contract work as far as the
mowing um if these two positions um are
approved the crews will be mowing
everything except a Boulevard Street we
would still contract that out um which
is just a minor small
contract what what's a minor small
contract I'm sorry would about
$1,000 for what the Boulevard streets
that's the only thing that we would not
mow um those just so timec consuming
yeah we need a special Mower and if we
do that we would need an extra guy an
extra truck extra trailer so that's the
yard Barbers On Brien yeah yeah I see
yeah Fair Brien Bexley Park
yeah Roosevelt other places
no so when I think about like the year
of the parks and we'll call it the cost
of ownership um is
that is
this tangentially related to that and
are were there other expenses in the
budget that tie back to that increased
cost of ownership due to you know the
Investments that we've made in
infrastructure um I would say yes and no
I mean we have had more projects with
year of the parks y um but just over the
years we've took on you know we've took
on more and had more projects even
before the year of the parks okay but
like in this budget if we think about
your space which would be responsible
for for the cost of ownership of those
those improvements is it really just are
we just looking at these two two ground
Cruise expansion or there other expenses
I can't remember that other people um or
headcount it's really just tied to this
within your space right I'm just asking
for these two additional positions got
it okay okay thanks um a little bit more
thought process behind this so we looked
at um Contracting out for example the
the trimming that Andy was talking about
and you know our hourly on that is 405
bucks an hour for a crew I think right
uh that's that's a full private crew and
so we we priced that out uh we priced
out um ex you know we already have
mowing contracts so we know what that
costs so we looked at should we just
contract this out and what we found was
with this addition of these two staff
members this type of staff not only can
they pick up mowing in the summer but
offseason is when a lot of our pruning
stump grind is occurring so they're kind
of two birds with one stone and it is
more cost effective for us to do it this
way as opposed to Contracting out the
additional and to your point some of it
is um you know not just there's you know
obviously there have been some plantings
this year um but the North and South
Community Gardens are new um that that
takes up staff time there's uh the trail
head at Schneider which is kind of year
the parks I guess but like um putting
meanss on Main Street and Broad Street
these are all things that are
incrementally have increased the burden
um and so we have over time contracted
out work in order to allow our crews to
do what they need to do we're taking
some of that back in house um trying to
be smart about what we do and don't
contract
just go
wereing mine's about something that we
haven't necessarily gotten to yet so
I'll let you two go oh um the 40,000 in
tree contract
work we've spent that for this year is
that with one one company can you
explain what is that sure so that's our
large tree removals um we just don't
have the equipment we contract that out
every year um we have a company that
comes in and they use Crane to where we
just it's cheaper for us to to hire that
out and try to instead of trying to
render Crane and all that so I know we
and I know we talked about in our in
previous budget meetings about um
getting caught back up on the large at
least trimming for of the large
trees I mean if you if you think it
would be helpful to get you caught back
up to where your level
set I mean I'm speak one Council over
here but I would be in favor of the
62,000 we're going
to save or take out and put it down in
that tree contract work and that would
allow granting those to to help
facilitate the larger tree trimming um
for 2024 I don't know I I hear you on
the pruning it's it's long tedious work
it's you can do it from the ground I get
that but to help facilitate uh the
larger stuff the dead limbs that are 12
inches around way up high you know that
kind of stuff I would be in favor of um
adding more to that bu budg budget line
item so that's what this is doing so
what what in the win I misunderstood I
thought the tree trimming the two ground
screws were just pull pruners from the
ground no in the winter what they're
doing is they're kind of a force
multiplier we currently have one tree
crew working we're getting another
chipper truck and chipper and so in the
winter
what in the winter this is allowing them
to Branch into two Crews where the
grounds maintenance is providing support
and so that we're we're at two crws as
opposed to one and okay that was a an
exact conversation we had with Grant in
my office this week was okay do you
still need the contracts to catch up he
said he didn't think we did and I said
okay well we were going to try this we
know we need these positions no matter
what um and if turns out that we do feel
like we're still not able to catch up
then we will let you
know so essentially you have like two
CDL or two tree climbers on one
crew and you can split those guys up and
then have the two ground screw guys be
the chipper guys behind
them my plan with you know if these two
positions are approved I would actually
have two tree Crews so I'd have one
arborist and one Grounds Maintenance and
then another tree crew Arbor and ground
maintenance okay um two man crew with s
smaller stuff is is fine um the larger
trees is you know when I would have
probably three or four man crew on those
and Grant was talking about like uh you
know one of them might just do do
equipment run some of the smaller lower
liming you know lower trimmings stop
signs lights that sort of thing and then
the other tree crew has the bucket truck
so they don't have to have two climbers
necessarily you know a lot more about
that than I
do okay that's all I got so off of
Math's conversation this is this is good
teed it up um in the opportunity of
three months of being out door Todo I
also door to door I had a lot of people
take me to their trees and um it was
definitely a hot topic one of the modest
topics I would say per the residents as
a whole that I had I had the um
privilege of being engaged in so I think
it's really important as we're looking
at the budget and we're looking at
adding the ground screw this is all
great but I do like Matt's point and I I
would like to see that we get it as
right as we can instead of let's see if
this works and then come back to it
because it just seemed to be a very high
priority so if we need to keep some of
the contract work on to get caught up as
we hire our two new grounds crew I would
like to just get it right lauan talked
earlier that a priority for us is safety
as a community and um we love our trees
right but we have some trees that just
need attention before we have wind
storms coming through and um trees that
you know were not planning to come down
but maybe needed maintenance before we
got to them and we just don't want to be
surprised we want to get ahead of it so
I would just say let's get it right
right now on the budget make this a
priority because it was a definitely a
priority um in the three months I got to
be out door too so I 100% agree with you
yeah and I want to just congratulate you
guys if you pass this budget that these
two positions and the equipment behind
them are are a big priority I mean it's
a big change in our budget it's um
specifically primarily targeted to
exactly what you're talking about um
we'll go back to Grant and ask him you
know Grant are you sure this is going to
make the difference you think it is uh
that we want it to and if uh if he feels
especially we've really prioritized
safety based trimming already so that's
happening first always um which is some
of the frustration you hear in the
community is the non-safety trimming is
sort of taking back seat you know it's
getting it's not escalated the same way
so we want we want to be quick
responsive and to catch up and this is
that plan um but we'll we'll Circle back
to Grant just do a final gut check and
let him know that there is a desire to
really really really really catch up
right away and if he hesitates and he's
like I think then maybe we say we need
it we need to know right so let's keep
the contract work yeah in favor that
thanks Troy uh I tend to agree with
everything that's been said so far I
have seen you mayor out with your chain
saw after a big wind storm cleaning up
uh tree tree limbs and while I
appreciate that effort I don't know that
that's what we want necessarily that
won't stop he L it that's not going to
stop Liv he lives for it photo you know
would you like to just continue and Sal
yes
[Laughter]
I no I can't I'm kidding um all right so
I have to ask here I look at the uh Fuel
and I see that we have a 7.4 increase I
only ask as I understand fuel fluctuates
a year to year but we've been bringing
in a ton of elect electric or battery
powered uh machine Ary as well as
Vehicles so can we get an estimate as to
when we think that number is going to
start decreasing because I think that
we've been sold on the using the
electrical vehicles or other battery
powered things uh almost because
thinking in the sense that we're going
to cut some of that cost by not having
to pay for fuel and things of that
nature so do you can you give us a
estimate or any kind of idea as to when
you think you might be able to turn that
request down and lower
it right now we only have one electric
vehicle on the service department um
hopefully in 24 we'll have the second um
but I it it will go down some but with
as much um with all our dump trucks
being Diesel and stuff I don't see it I
mean it will go down some as more
electrical pickups and stuff we get but
as far as the large equipment I don't
see that going down a whole lot okay
Diesel's diesel in particular is high
right now right yes sir so what you see
at the pump is not the same as what's
happening in the diesel
markets just to clarify that increase
and health insurance isn't due to the
mayor out there with his chainsaw is
it
Matt just one more thing your you said
you you need to repair your hbac this
year specifically the Heating units do
you have like four stair resers in the
garage or what sort of heat these would
be the rooftops upstairs yeah okay they
were repurposed from The Old City Hall
buildings
so
that's smart
move and then i' I've got a question
around that Trees and Landscaping
account looks like that's currently
we'll say on Pace to come in at half a
budget is that because we have payments
that have not gone out yet and then tied
to the
maintenance line items I'm assuming this
is just these are new plant planting new
trees that's okay got we still I'm sure
there's bills that come in you know
since this has been updated so that I'm
sure that numberers Chang okay okay one
other comment on that Lineum it's a
little a funny line them because we
always get grants for Trees and
Landscaping and we always plan on
getting grants for Trees and Landscaping
but if we don't get grants for Trees and
Landscaping we still have a tree program
that we need to carry forward so you'll
see historical numbers often lower than
actual because those end up getting
spent out of a grants
po because we were successful getting
those grants but if we weren't going to
then we would want to still have the
ability to plant the trees that need to
be planted as part of our
program um Andy I had a quick question
um I believe last year when we purchased
that property up on delmare um I can't
remember if the
any cost or increase costs associated
with that if they were already in the
2023 budget or do they need to be
reflected somewhere in the 2024 budget
that was mostly in the 23 budget um as
far as a 24 budget um we'll probably
pave it but I'll probably um do that
in-house so it won't be a huge expense
okay thank you and we do still have a
capital yes sir allotment for that just
mind
you anything else Brandy all right um
Mike's gonna go and then I have a couple
follow-up items from our last
meeting and and the auditor's budget
sorry I me a short Change
here they're sort of sporadic so this
makes it maybe a little easier to fine
thank
you
okay there you go all right so as uh as
we look at the 2024 budget for
Recreation and Parks um you won't see a
whole lot of uh changes to Staffing
levels there's a couple minor tweaks to
seasonal stuff for the most part um we
are still you know still trying to work
through uh um catching up from the the
the Fairly significant increase in uh
selling wages costs associated with u
you know the difficulty with hiring
staff and covid
um um so we are still going through that
process we'll talk a little bit about uh
some of the plans that the the recw has
implemented in terms of um uh cost
increases to some of the larger programs
in in that approach which has been a
multi-year approach um which has been
aided by the the covid relief money that
that we have uh received for those
programs has allowed us to take a a more
um long-term approach to it to trying to
catch up on those uh expense increases
but um senior program we'll start there
um we are the only change from a staff
perspective is where we're looking to go
from a 20 to a 25h hour week uh
part-time position uh to uh provide
additional uh service and support uh to
our operations
um uh the budget does uh there is one
other change that you won't necessarily
see uh very clearly on you won't notice
a lot of it on the expense side it will
be an impact on the revenue side which
be Rec if I'm wrong I think is already
accounted for within the general fund
Revenue projections um but um you know
we've had a lot of conversations around
programming in the senior center which
has been really really positive um uh
one of the feedbacks that we get pretty
consistently and is is a fair feedback
is the cost of programming um a lot of
senior centers uh um are able to do
Medicare uh subsidized silver sneaker
benefit programs we are not uh eligible
for that based on the facility and the
equipment and the stuff some of the
things that you have to have in order to
be able to to to build that way not to
mention we you would also take a lot
more administrative time to do it but we
aren't even eligible anyway um and so
one of the philosophic discussions we've
had is is about again looking at this as
a service and uh looking at the
programming that takes place at the
senior center and drastically uh
reducing the costs and and essentially
subsidizing with with General funds um
uh from an expense side uh we're we're
already paying these instructors uh so
the expense you'll see it sort of hit in
professionals will go up a little higher
because we assume as we reduce the cost
of programming we'll probably have more
people participate and therefore we have
you know it's a per cost expense to our
instructors um but we'll have less
Revenue coming in obviously because if
we have a class that we have to pay an
instructor say $10 for that we were
charging whatever $12 for before and
maybe it becomes a $2 class we're still
paying the instructor $10 um we're just
generating less money costs are still
pretty much the same so um that is
reflected within this budget as well um
again a philosophic discussion I think
it's a an appropriate um use of city
services um and especially with the um
you know I think the benefit the senior
center and the senior programming has
been to the community so that's that's
the concept there and that's uh again
you you don't really see that a lot in
this uh expense side but just in full
transparency it is impacted on the
revenue side more any questions on
senior
programs I would love to see what we do
have to
have just because we're going to be
first of all I'm going to be a silver
sneaker that that that long
but SEC secondly I I mean I just think
that it's something I mean that's not a
discussion for today we don't need to
have that conversation today but I just
think that Council needs to have that in
our in our minds what what it would take
and I do love that we are because this
is allows people to continue to be in
our community to thrive in our community
to have someplace to go and something to
do because I see what happens to
individuals who don't have that so no
it's a great point and Chris Kristen is
actively researching that so we'll
hopefully have more information you know
the reality is I think
it's my understanding is it would be
difficult to accomplish in our current
space so but we're gonna we're gonna
learn more about what that
entails
Matt
um I know the future of that property is
up in the air but I do know the parking
lot is in bad
shape could we could we take a look at
some crack filler and maybe a new seal
and stripe job as well as uh maybe the
concrete uh ramp could be widened to get
into space I don't think it maybe do
something with the door I don't know
just while they're there I mean it could
they could be there another year two
years I've discussed all those already
with the city engineer including the
ramp actually because it came up when I
was looking at the the bathrooms
so Jess both of those things were um
what I was going to speak to but I
wanted to definitely say I would love to
see um at some point a presentation on
what the space would need to be for us
to get those benefits of Medicare and
silver
sneakers any other questions on senior
programming all right we'll move to
Jeffrey Mansion you you'll see um
obviously the one thing that'll stick
out uh in Jeffrey Mansion is we have and
I worked with beer on this and he was
supportive of this um we have combined
the Personnel Services uh mayor if you
don't mind maybe move to the next one
we've combined the Personnel Services
and Mansion uh with our Parks there's so
much overlap between who's doing what
within those two it it became it didn't
make a whole lot of sense
administratively we'd have a overtime
budget in one and overtime budget in the
other and they're doing a lot of the you
know tracking which one it's coming out
of and uh so combining it gives a little
more flexibility a lot less
administrative uh headaches with dealing
with some of the the accounts there's no
the only change and we'll we'll go
through that when we get to Parks
because actually has been all moved to
Parks but uh the only change is the
request for an additional one additional
seasonal $7,000 uh seasonal position we
have two currently we were able to fill
those last year which I know has been
difficult in previous years some years
we've been able to some years we have
not um uh but especially during the
summer months uh to give additional
support for for both the the regular
summer work but also the event stuff
that goes on over the summer additional
seasonal position would be uh very
helpful on that
um uh other expenditures are fairly flat
uh within Mansion uh HVAC continues to
be something we're working through um
and uh we are we are trying to get a
more comprehensive view of what it's
going to take and I appreciate uh uh Mr
Kingler offering up his his expertise to
help us in that process but that is
something we'll continue to work at
um but otherwise uh any questions on
Mansion yes uh just a quick question
whenever I see lead paint monitoring it
makes me get a little nervous especially
because you're testing the preschool
rooms um can you just speak to um
clearly it's something that needs to be
done is that an ongoing concern are we
is there's anything that we need to be
aware of uh it's an I mean so we have
we're testing twice a year start of
preschool and during winter break
essentially um and uh there is you know
lead there's lead paint in in the
building um it's a matter of whether or
not it's it's exposed um and in the
we've been doing this
for I think before I was even director
we started testing for lead paint in the
preschool I think in the entire time and
they do a ton of swab different
locations throughout the entire
preschool area I think the entire time
we've had one or two that came back
slightly elevated from the the level
that they would want um over you know
over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of tests um so by and large we don't
have an issue but we want to make sure
that if we do then we can address it as
quickly as possible um so it's uh it's
not an ongoing issue for us but we we
want to make sure we're doing everything
we can to make sure it doesn't become an
issue right and that percentage
increases it's interesting we we've had
that same number in there the 3000 for
like six or seven years
and just it's finally gotten to a point
where it's going up enough that we need
to address it in terms of okay thank you
yes any other questions on Mansion just
one yeah the capital uh request for the
hbac is that did I miss that is that in
this year's capital budget no so
anticipated a capital request for 24 for
2025 just yes right yeah
okay all right park um again as I
mentioned increase to seasonal position
uh otherwise all the increases are based
on contractual increases uh mostly
unionized positions um Parks planning is
one of the items in which uh was a
one-time expense in 2023 we are
finishing that up we're still going
through the preservation enhancement uh
committee is meeting still regularly I
expect we'll have a Park plan finished
by early 2024 um but there's no reason
to have additional money in 2024 to to
complete that project um um landscape
has increased to support the
Commonwealth Arboretum feature ongoing
maintenance as well as uh Bloomers
volunteer support um we have uh we got
numbers from the Bloomers I'm going to
mess this up but we got numbers from the
Bloomers they have their annual lunch on
Thursday and I think it was right around
900 vol unteer hours and uh a value of
around $30,000 so uh the return on that
investment is is invaluable to us as a
department and they've done an amazing
job so we want to continue to make sure
we have a landscape uh budget support
available for projects that they're
working on um any questions on Jeffrey
Park Mike I might add with Parks
planning it might not show up on the
park expenditure in the question was if
we if we cut come Park uh we don't
generally unless we need an additional
mow for athletic purposes but we don't
generally Andy does we do have in our
capital budget a um a electric mower for
Commonwealth arba or Commonwealth East
as a um a test a test effort um with the
infrastructure we're putting in at
Commonwealth the two FS that will help
support that we're going to give that a
shot and see what the impact
is um Recreation fund I guess one thing
I will continue to point out about you
know the recreation fund um and again uh
it is you know in terms of the general
fund hit uh we are looking at a a
$20,000 increase in terms of what we're
requesting from the general fund from
250 to 270 I will also be you know
abundantly clear that our our estimates
have us Revenue uh under expenditures at
$320,000 which means a reduction in our
rec fund balance uh
philosophically the approach again uh is
our rec fund balance is very strong um
and beer can speak to this more I think
if it's you know two to 300,000 I think
as a city we're pretty comfortable with
that it's around 900,000 right now in
large part because of significant covid
relief uh funds that we received over
the last couple years um which helped
offset loss generally in daycare
programming that we dealt with keeping
those programs open the increased cost
uh in terms of indiv uals pay uh that
were working those programs but also the
amount of staff that we had to have uh
to deal with covid related safety
measures um and so uh our approach as a
department as a board uh has been uh uh
to absorb those costs while we can to
continue to look at the revenue side to
try to get back to a point where we can
make up for the DraStic in some cases 40
to 50% increase in expenses on program
operating due to
um pay increases Le to uh to offset
those losses over an extended period of
time uh cost recovery um expectations
are because as that you know as that Rec
fund balance goes down at some point
we'll need a bigger uh general fund
transfer to deal with um you know a lot
a larger loss of 320 than say 250 so
that'll be something we need to continue
to talk about continue to keep an eye on
um but I think we' we've done it in a
way that allows us to take a measured
approach to it and we're in a good
position to do that um as you'll see uh
you know our our Revenue projections are
up uh in large part again the rec board
approved a 7% increase for Camp
preschool and before and after care
again some of our larger driving
programs from a revenue perspective um
that's on the back of a preschool
program that saw a 21% increase last
year right so it was a significant jump
and then we're trying to do a more sort
of uh smaller increase compared to what
we think our expenses will will go up
um overall expenses are up 8
8.6% um which represents an increase in
Staffing cost expanded program offerings
and inflationary increases uh we do not
do not have any new full-time positions
uh there are increases in wre admin
associated with pay scale adjustments
planned during the 2023 pay scale that
were uh incurred over a two-year period
as well as an event manager um in this
case Lauren's position um uh adjustment
that was not addressed in the 2023 pay
scale frankly because I think generally
speaking it was a morsy uh pay study
that was used as a Baseline and there
aren't a lot of City municipalities that
have this position so it wasn't
necessarily caught at the time uh which
which I should have caught we didn't
catch it and on top of that as we've
increased and if you look at revenue
from a a mansion perspective Mansion
facility and rentals in 2021 actual was
81,000 2022 actual 111,000
20203 actual is 144 and I I my guess
it'll end up being a little bit higher
than that and we're projecting over you
know around 150,000 so the demand on
that position has also gone up at the
same time um and uh so those are the
sort of this the changes from a salary
and wages perspective um I if you can go
to the next page is sort of a
continuation of Rec fund uh summary um
uh again we have a projected operating
shortfall of
37 320,000 there's been some adjustments
since then um the approved just to so
everyone's aware the approved 20123
budget because what you're looking at
now are adjustments we've over the year
adjusted our projections on Revenue
we've adjusted frankly there's been two
Appropriations for additional funds I
think that are in front of council now
or have already been proved I think
they're in front of council right now
um uh so in
2023 the projected shortfall was
376,000 I think we're going to
outperform that which is great um but
just to give some context to you know
how we look at you know what the what
council approved last year uh is this is
a similar number um and hopefully we'll
out perform those projections but if we
don't we I think we feel comfortable
with the impact on the rec fund again
then beginning Rec fund balance of um uh
92 28,000 anticipated net decrease uh to
the rec fund of 115,000 and end ofe fund
balance of 83,000 I will also point out
again uh the debt services on the
Mansion expansion are are added into
this expense um so that is being
incurred through this this effort which
is I think important to note this was
the plan when we talked about uh
appropriation for money to deal with the
Mansion expansion and we we're obviously
following through with that um any
questions on just sort of an overview of
the rec fund
summary any any thoughts philosophically
on on the
approach yes couple things first I want
to
um commend you on uh the before and
after care and the preschool programs
and and all the things you do for the
young kids uh while their parents can't
be with them um I understand the 7%
increase but I I will say in speaking
with a residents that is still um
considered a great value to them and uh
below definitely below the market rate
especially for what we provide compared
with other facilities so thank you for
that that's uh I did have one question
about do we still have room to go up in
preschool I look at 2022 actual versus
202 24 budget 445,000 Revenue 342
projected for that year this year there
may have been some Co relief money that
was a part of that gotcha um Revenue so
yeah that's I don't think that's an
accurate reflection of registration
Revenue yeah okay I didn't know if we
had like a sizable you need more kids in
the school because we're filled up yeah
now we had the last couple years where
we started full and we had somebody drop
mid year and and if it happens in the
four five program it becomes difficult
to fill it but we we we've gone into
every year at capacity we listed yeah
yeah okay cool
all right um Rec admin uh again we
talked about this in terms of the
increases salary and wages um it does
not include any change to Staffing
levels um in addition to the uh pay
range uh adjustments there are five of
our 11 full-time staff that come out of
there also receiving step increases in
2024 so a higher than average number uh
for step increases
um uh increase in brochure printing uh
and delivery costs again that's a number
that we haven't increased much over the
years and this year we're starting to
see where're we're going to run out of
money likely we sent we spent just over
14,000 through two brur we should do
three a year we have a budget of 21,000
um and that's that's just going to
continue to go up sort of inflationary
so um we added a little extra there to
make sure we're not uh in any sort of
tough position on that
um uh increase in training and
development we are going to extend the
staff that are going to the opr
conference or would like to extend the
staff that are going to the opr
conference uh in 20 uh 24 so that's a
slight increase there as
well
questions I mentioned this to Mike in
our meeting that I loved seeing that um
they're putting that uh value on the
staff we've got a great staff at Park
and wreck right now and getting them out
to receive additional training and what
that camaraderie does when you get out
of your environment and you get to go be
exposed to other recreational
opportunities and bring it back to our
community is invaluable so great work on
getting that in the budget thank you and
we're excited to hear how that goes for
the team thank
you does the youth scholarship fund
challenge year to date that or do all
those put they get put at the end yeah
we'll do a transfer at the end of the
year
yep and we will be able to we we've
generated more than 10,000 it's a they
was designed as a match fund right so
for every private dollar comes in we
match it with that and we've generated
well of a$ 10,000 in private dollars for
for that so that that'll be the full
amount all right Rec
programs
um the increase to salary and wages uh
is reflecting to reflect a couple um
efforts that we're looking at in
2024 we would like to bring a semblance
of the Park and play program back that's
a program that we haven't done a number
of essentially since Co um in part
because it's also been difficult to hire
this position and so it's not our we
have our needs based stuff that we're
trying to focus on first this is an
important program I think it adds a lot
of value but it it didn't get the
Staffing Resources that the other
programs needed so we feel like we're in
a better place in terms of hiring than
we have been the last three years so we
think it's possible to bring that
program back and so that's going to be a
focus that we want to we want to try to
do um we would also as we continue to
add more programming in the building and
especially after hours programming in
the building uh we would like to add a
part-time Jeffrey Mansion attendant in
the building so we have somebody there
for questions or issues that come up in
addition to the uh instructor that might
be running that program so they have
somebody that they can give them support
if an issue arises they don't have to
stop the entire program they can reach
out to that person and way finding so
people who come don't know where they're
going for a program now we're using more
spaces and have more programs going on
once um also help with parking
congestion issues that there's a lot of
there's a myriad of things that that
that position will be helpful with
um uh operating expenses um uh again the
increase there is is a continued effort
to support middle school programming we
want to continue ad uh programming there
we are planning a ski trip on the Monday
after holiday break schools are still
out on that Monday so we're we're uh
that's our next Middle School sort of
effort um to get the kids together um
we're going to do a lot of the same ones
we did but we want to keep building on
that um and it has been really really
well received so it it makes a lot of
sense for us based on the feedback we're
getting to continue to invest in that
effort um community garden increase is a
is a pass along they've increased the
the plot cost for uh renting a plot we
just manage the registration all that
money gets passed along to the to the uh
organization that manages the Community
Gardens so that's a that's a a pass
through um uniform increase represents
an expense flow timing issue um we are
going to we are going to end up next
year we would like to so our basketball
jerseys is really getting the weeds but
our basketball jerseys are going to be
purchased in January uh uh of
2024 we would like to be purchasing them
more in February or not February and
November of 20 in in the basketball
season so next year we're going to have
two purchases for the program one in
January and one in February or in
November um and plus we've had
additional kids so it's going to be sort
of more of a one-time issue that we have
to deal with in terms of the timing of
those expenses um but obviously we do
have an increase in the cost of uniforms
and and participation has been been
really strong in Our Youth Sports
Programming yes so is there any benefit
I mean I assume that we use similar
uniforms year in and year out for the
most part the teams so is there any
doesn't make any now to buy a lot more
uniforms since the prices seem to be
going up consistently and then just kind
of hold those over for say a period of
like three or four years now and then to
save maybe 20 over that time just are
you when you ask how you're talking
about um uniforms that we we issue out
and receive back or uniforms that they
keep well I guess that's so uniforms
they keep I assume that they're P
getting paid for through the program or
yeah they're paying for through the
program we have an expense side
obviously that we have to have in our
budget but yeah it
so in any of the ones just with the
increased cost doesn't make any sense to
buy them in bulk is on M just since they
um it so couple things on that um like
flag football which is one of the ones
we we do twice a year we have a lot of
kits in that we buy a lot of jerseys
those jerseys change every year so it
goes to NFL FLAG um so it it won't make
sense to the other the other issue
generally speaking is for the most part
we try to order jerseys to
sizes um and
uh and then then to order a bunch we get
we order enough to get good bulk pricing
in general um but to order a bunch and
then hold on to them so we have to store
them and then make sure that there isn't
a drastic change in the style and if you
don't have the right amount and you have
to order new ones and they look
different then you have half the kids
with you know with a a red and half of
them with a Scarlet um that that are
slightly off it so it it's I I hear what
you're saying in in in practice it
doesn't generally work out so well well
in terms of the maybe small amount of
savings you might get over that time
period cool thank you
y um in equipment increases um there are
two uh larger pieces of equipment that
we want to get from a cost standpoint uh
um some portable scoreboards and some uh
goals for Commonwealth East so we added
an additional cost in there uh for that
and the referee costs um are going up a
lot um it's more and more difficult to
find referees in general uh uh so
support your referees when you're out at
the when you're out there with your kids
um and uh you know when it's harder to
get referees the costs go up uh so
that's a that's a real a real thing that
the industry is seeing across the
board uh they don't get them all right
it's okay although I'm as bad as the
next next parents
so um Jeffrey any questions on Rec
programming Jeffrey Mansion preschool um
now this is an area that we feel like
we've stabilized um sorry I had a a
quick question yeah I'm sorry programs
um given given how many hours uh parents
and residents donate as
coaches
um is there ever any sort of like
appreciation dinner or something I know
that some of those coaches may be in
this very room but um just something to
thank them even you know hearing the
hours of the Bexley Bloomers also um put
in is there anything done to to thank
them other than to do that publicly
that's a great question and um you know
part of the reason although this is only
we only give one of these out a year so
that doesn't necessarily address this
but you know part of the reason we we
started the volunteer award was you know
to recognize volunteers we have had
conversations about sort of an end of
the year um event what that would be we
haven't quite sort of finalized or what
would be the most impactful we haven't
quite finalized we've talked about you
know there's there's there's a lot of
potential opportunities for us we've
talked about like a a pool party an
after hours pool party for all of our
volunteers like as a way to deal with
that or deal with that was a way to show
our appreciation um we've talked about
an end of the year like dinner type of a
thing at at the Mansion um it's a great
point and we need to be more intentional
about it we've also talked about whether
we should be waving fees for volunteer
coaches uh for their their kids
participation in the program I think all
those are all I think up for discussion
and I think it's a fair point to
continue to consider great I'm glad to
hear you're thinking about it y yes that
we do charge Monique I was thinking the
same thing when he brought up bloomers
and the lunch that they're having and
the volunteer hours and if we I'm sure
it would be almost equally as
significant as the hours and and what
we're saving as a municipality and to
know that the history is we used to hire
we used to pay for coaching and I think
that was really you who brought on the
idea concept of parent coaching in the
community Mike when you started
it's been some programs we've had paid
staff in the past some programs we've
had volunteers some of it sometimes it's
driven by how many volunteers we can get
versus right we can't get enough and so
we pay some so but yeah they are
invaluable to invaluable you know the
kids you know the community what an
experience I've had the opportunity to
do that myself I do I love what mon
monik is saying and I think something as
simple as year end appetizers you know
light adult beverages Carriage House a
lot of these um volunteers that help out
with our youth uh recreational
activities still have not been in the
carriage house so I think it's a great
marketing idea as well um so food for
thought but I I love that Monique
brought that
up thanks Monique um wreck what am I on
here preschool again it's an area that
stabilized obviously we saw significant
increases in in staff pay over the last
handful of years as as it was welld
deserved uh what the the staff went
through during Co to keep things
operational uh and to keep the kids safe
and to keep uh things moving along was
was uh was very impressive and uh
frankly we could have all made an
argument that preschool teachers were
underpaid across the board prior to that
um but we do feel like it's stabilized a
little bit and so we're looking at more
sort of reasonable sort of cost of
living increases uh from a preschool
perspective um we would like to make
some improvements to our Teachers Lounge
uh so there is some equipment expenses
in there as well um better storage new
furniture um uh and and continued in
increase in professional development for
our
teachers any questions on
that all right um before and after care
um again there's a supplemental
appropriation I think in front of
council right now I think it's on the
second or third read
uh which includes a
$36,000 additional appropriation for
before and after care this is really a
pretty direct result of uh and and as
we've talked about before there's an
offset on on our Revenue uh and before
and after year we've had a lot more
participation more kids means more
expenses um so when you compare a
year-over-year that 36,000 hasn't hit
that 2023 number um so it's not as big
of a percent increase um so we we're
anticipating
a fairly uh similar participation number
in
2024 as we have in
2023 um and a 5% in you know we're
allowing for a 5% increase in sort of
cost of living increase to uh our pay
rates uh within the Staffing there um
otherwise no real significant increase
uh on on before and after care again we
we do feel like some of the stuff is
stabilized a little bit which is is sort
of nice to see any questions on that
um Jeffrey uh Camp same thing we have a
um appropriation for 177,000 again we've
talked about that it's an offset from a
it's been offset by additional revenue
from what we projected uh more kids more
costs uh more Revenue um we are also
looking at 5% uh increase U having room
for a 5% increase for uh staff uh we
again anticipate similar uh
participation numbers they have sort of
grown back to where they they're pretty
close to where they were preco um uh we
also recognize with every increase to
these programs uh we're likely to have a
slight decrease in participation because
there's there's an impact to that uh we
will continue to promote our scholarship
fund to make sure that people aren't
making important decisions about their
needs around costs um and you know we'll
continue to say we have not turned
anyone away due to their inability to
afford a program
so yes thank you very much uh it looks
as though there's one sorry let get back
to that was just going back 380 and
that's on another page too and so I put
it it seems like that was just a total
but I want to point this out so we can
understand um it's also
on underneath uh Recreation
Administration expenditure detail
underneath all
other and so yeah that's an error no I I
I'm aware of that but we're giving an
increase sure you're 38
man it keeps coming back page 39 of the
budget it's awesome it seems like it's
sprinkled throughout Recreation
administrative expenditure detail
also Jee Camp expenditure
detail yeah as long as we can just get
it clear yeah it can be cleaned up it
was just bankrupt in the city self
problem right I also have a question
Mike or or whomever I don't see an
ordinance 3723 on the
agenda yeah right okay Mike had said it
was when it's pass that was suspended
adopted last okay probably at my
request
[Laughter]
welcome that's why I'm retiring my
memory is getting really short
sorry to disrupt but yeah just before we
get the final version of it thanks thank
you any um did I cover Camp yes uh any
questions on
Camp all right a pool fund I thank you
all for bearing with me I apologize it's
taking so long um pool Revenue we we are
going at the uh the plan for for 2024
with the pool is the same $25
per individual membership rate um so
we're we're showing a pretty flat
Revenue um you may see some in increas
as people get more familiar with the
fact that we're offering it but I don't
think it'll be anything significant um
expense side is we also think we've um
you know sort of leveled out there as
well um Up 3 point uh expenses are up
3.6% compared to 2023 the swim safe Pool
Management contract is fairly flat the
only real increase is the deal with with
a structural change in our swim license
program but it's a a pretty small
increase um they have also indicated
that some of their expenses chemicals
and that sort of thing have have
flattened out they've seen huge jumps in
chemicals in the last couple years but
it's pretty flat there um Revenue
underere expenditure projected operating
uh shortfall of 94,000 in 20 uh
24 the projected 2023 shortfall was
81,000 just for reference um requested
120 25,000 beer that's a I I did mean to
to reach out to you that number changed
from the last budget of uh the uh
general fund transfer went back down to
120 from 125 so just an
FYI to the pool fund it was originally
supposed to be 125 it was in there in
one iteration but the most recent one
you sent me it was back at 120 I don't
know if that was a conscious decision
mayor I assume it wasn't a $5,000 change
but um it was intended to be 125
um does that make
sense we changed
the we
also
a actually not sure I know what happened
but I think maybe
that change
the last iteration I had was at 125
which is what what I requested just
because it's you know expenses have gone
up slightly just so we're not looking at
a big hit at once but this is good
moment to remind also in the
budget transfer
200,000 so did you want to change that
to
125
um pool Capital request is slightly down
which is nice um from 2023 we we did hit
some bigger projects over last couple
years on on pool Capital the slides were
completely uh repainted the the play
structure was repainted we replaced the
picnic tables um so while we still have
Capital items some of our bigger items
got addressed uh recently and hopefully
we'll get another 10 10 12 years out of
that um again the pool fund balance uh
with the Trans transfer uh should
decrease by 4,000 with that additional
5,000 in there roughly 4,000 uh to
425,000 again it's a it is a
um I don't want to speak for the auditor
but my my sense is that's a pretty you
know pretty good balance for the pool
and doesn't create any concerns moving
forward any questions on the pool fund
sort
of philosophy yes so this is just I know
we modified the cost of join in the pool
Etc it seems like there was a really
good return on that seems like a lot of
people were really excited about it we
also in passing mention completely
waving that fee to an extent and knowing
that some communities are heading that
way any additional thought from you or
the board for future budgets in regards
to whether you think we need to continue
to charge for members that you're
looking at maybe con continuing that
process um we haven't had any additional
discussion about changing that um
look I I mean I think there's a value I
think it was really well received it's
it's just a matter of I guess Council
deciding and administration deciding and
prioritizing you know how to use that
resource or the resource that it would
take to do that um you know not all
305,000 is is membership driven but it's
a big chunk of it um some of that is
daily and other programs that we you
know swim lessons and some other things
um you know I can I could bring back to
council what that additional cost would
be if Council has an interest in that or
if the mayor has an interest in that um
I do think that the change was really
well received um and I think it's also
important to note you know when we made
that change one of the things we wanted
to keep a close eye on was the impact on
the facility the ability to still manage
it in a safe way and um because you you
know you reduce that you have more
people coming into the facility how does
how does that feel in that space and it
felt we we didn't really have any
concerns uh in from a safety perspective
things went went really well um uh so I
do think there's the capacity from a
facility standpoint if we reduced it
more and say you know a 20% increase in
attendance I think would be manageable
but there is an impact to that for the
users too just was curious thank you
very much did is there an I mean I don't
we haven't had this conversation mayor I
don't know if there's an appetite for
yeah remember I me when we brought it to
the rec board last year it was a more
dramatic it was a lower rate than what
they approved and citing some of the
concerns that Mike just cited I think
that we have that experience now under
our belts so I think we can continue to
explore that I
agree all right wanted to just yep I
just wanted to remind Council too and um
I'm sure um councilwoman Lamy would
agree with us is we also are in a good
place again with our contract with swim
safe we had some some things that we
were concerned about so I want to keep
that um you know Forward Thinking when
we're thinking about maybe sometimes
when we're looking at change maybe we
look at every two years to give it a
full you know 365 day time two calendar
year before we're um looking at another
big change not that I'm opposed to it at
all but I think um just one year under
our belt is just one year and um that
was a big c concern of Rec board last
time of council before that with the
managing partners and then uh with W
board it was the uh capacities what
we're dealing with numbers and safety
and also so the board's aware we we are
you know contingent upon approval of
this budget the contract with swim safe
would be for its third year and an
option for two one-year options in
addition to that uh which obviously we
can decide to do or not do next year at
which point mark and please correct me
if I'm wrong at which point we would be
at five years and we will have to go
back out to bid for that Professional
Services that's right five years is the
max um and then uh again pool operations
we you know there's not a a whole lot to
it 10% increase in the STA staff
Staffing uh reflects the deputy
director's um pay range adjustment um
which again was a two-year effort um
that's the only you know full-time Rec
staff that comes out of of that um lot
of money otherwise again the contract
for pool management is a 3.3% increase
and no other really
significant the
PO and with that I'm happy to answer any
other any other
questions are we going over Capital
request for Parson w we did last meeting
but we can get back over well he wasn't
here I was just wondering the tennis
court reserving is there any that to
resurfacing with a pickle
ball inlay within the tennis
court you mean um so it can double like
you could have a pickle
ball obviously not the same you're not
talking about the same time as tennis
being no no well so what we have right
now no no I just want to make sure I'm
answering your question correctly you're
talking about lines essentially yeah
lines so I know there's ways you can
extend you could two pickle ball Courts
for every one tennis oh you have that
now we have lines on the tennis courts
for pickle ball in both ends so we have
four pickle ball courts lined on tell me
that I'm not a pickle baller or that's
what I was wondering if I want to make
sure we're no we're on the same page yes
we have that I would expect we we
continue to have that in there okay
cool got someone down there yes um mayor
this one might be more question for you
but a couple weeks ago you and I just
very Loosely discussed maybe the joint
concept of like a park ranger
SL uh extra uh person who may
occasionally visit some of the trails
especially some of the trails in
secluded areas y I wasn't sure what
became of that thought or if it would be
reflected um I know you were going to
maybe think through things a a little
bit yep and we have been talking about
that a little bit
um both with Mike and with the police
department just to see like what would
that look like we do not have
a we don't have we do not yet have a
proposal uh so it's not in the budget
for that park ranger position I think um
one of the things we're looking at is
maybe having
a uh retired police officer help out
with that or um somebody who's um you
know has has a little bit more
background with the city coming back on
a part-time basis but we haven't fleshed
it out enough didn't feel like it was
ready for the budget but we're still
talking about
it and then I my last question was um
Mike over the past couple years we've
had such tremendous well attended
community events a lot of the staffing
has been done by uh by recreational
staff and I always have a concern that
you know at some point I don't want to
burn them out I want to keep rewarding
them for a job well done um does your
proposed budget as it is entailed here
sufficiently um staff uh whatever
upcoming events we've gotten 2024 such
that you think there we would be able to
hopefully retain them and keep them
happy and not burn them out thank you
for that I appreciate that those
comments um yeah we we have asked you
know we've asked for additional seasonal
position within the maintenance and and
you obviously the wreck the wreck staff
is heavily involved in the events um and
but but uh the maintenance really does
the heavy lifting on those events um
because they're not just there during
the event but they're setting up before
they're they're tearing down after
they're cleaning up the equipment and
supplies you know if it's rain the tent
has to go back up on Monday to dry out
or uh and so uh it takes a lot of their
time and energy to support those things
and and so we've asked for that support
within this budget so that that's to
help address some of those those
concerns we we try to as a Rec staff uh
we try to sort of spread out that load
within the staff and and um and frankly
I'm being you know I don't want to speak
for all of the staff I I do think we
also at some level really enjoy that
interaction and those opportunities as
well it does it does you know it's it's
a load and it takes time and it takes
energy but um I think they also do enjoy
at some level there you know that
getting out of the office and doing
something you know different and and
generally the positivity around those
events is something that I think we all
enjoy but I appreciate you saying that
we are we are uh constantly sort of
keeping an eye on the morale as it
relates to the load of those things and
we'll continue
to
okay all right thank you Mike we're
gonna move on to the Auditors Department
right are you ready sir I am very
exciting very exciting yep um I will
keep it relatively brief I'm not going
to go through all the line items I don't
know that it's necessary but again if
you have questions fire away but sorry
it is on page
eight and really what I want to do is
highlight um some increases because we
we we're looking to um increase the
budget um
and in many ways it's it's tied to the
transition of beer so I'm not blaming it
on beer um to be honest but but but the
reality is it it really is tied to that
so um you know we have um budgeted um
duplicate salaries for the finance
director for the first quarter um to
ensure a smooth transition and and that
that um new Finance director can learn
you know all the technical stuff as well
as the street smarts that beer has um
and again to ensure that we have um
strong financial controls and Reporting
going forward and then um I've added
something new um which is um thirdparty
audit fees so one of the things that um
whenever somebody goes through an
organization goes through a lot of
changes like this um I think it's very
important to contemplate audits or
controls of those new new folks coming
in um they have the keys to in many ways
our piggy bank and ensuring that we have
a third party that can um come in and do
an audit of that person's work to ensure
consistency and good quality Financial
um reporting Acumen and and
recordkeeping I think is important so um
have about 30k of those audits really
identified audit fees identified for
potentially um looking at that new
resource coming in um and then the the
second bucket tied to those audits is
really tied to um things that I'm
customed to in other entities um
certainly in publicly traded companies
audit is is a standalone function but
you know I see the auditor's role is
helping to ensure that processes
controls are in place so um in my my
current job and then other jobs we've
had Auditors come in and look at the
procure to pay process to make sure that
um processes controls are in place to
minimize risk of dollars going out our
four walls um
inappropriately um audit dollars can be
used to evaluate um cyber security risk
within our technology platform so I
don't at this point in time have um a
very specific agenda on how to use
audited dollars um for we'll say
targeted audits but I think it's really
important that we as an organization as
a community really consider
um you know bringing in those thirdparty
Specialists to make certain that our
processes controls are compliant we did
an audit um in the HR department which I
think was incredibly helpful um I'll say
the HR function which helped Identify
some opportunities for us to improve and
um that I think has made good progress
so you know those are the areas where I
think um we as a community can invest in
in our city and um also help ensure a
smooth
transition I'll just drop the mic yeah
yeah fly support that what I mean
questions um just one one question yep
you're drastically reducing operating
expenses by
36% at the bottom just
curious
I think I can I think I can address that
I believe we had some special cost came
up that I can't recall which which so we
we transferred some money to operating
that we typically don't but operating
just seem like you know a general
account and I don't recall what it was
um but we are
talking let's
see a real dollar cost of only
,700 but I I bring that up just because
year to date we're at 4,000 we're
dropping a 3,000 and I a special cost
that we just booked to operate
unintended ordinances to re you know
reallocate F reappropriate funds or
something when you when you said that I
was thinking of the total operating
expenses of the auditor's budget you're
speaking of one light item there of of
3,000 so I get with that being said I I
just want to make sure you don't come
back to us since in September this year
we got 4,000 and you're reducing it to
3,000 you don't come back to Council in
September and go hey oh my bad more
money $400 okay well we would have to I
mean we would have to do that we would
probably transfer money from some okay
thank you for pointing that out thank
you Matt thank you keep those audits in
there thank you thank you
coun he will probably
transfer man be wipe the sweat off there
but on the on the audits again what I
what I Envision is um obviously um you
know partnering with with um the new
Finance director partnering with you all
as well as the finance chair um to
really talk about areas of potential
risk and then have some targeted audits
so that is really what the vision is
within that that um budget line item
so okay couple Little Nicky knacky
supplemental things to discuss
here uh last meeting we discussed um our
food waste program and there are some
questions about our statistics so we've
C compiled those for you um we're seeing
our our tonnage has steadily increased
you can see it pretty much plateaued
this year we had a little bit of a like
a very minor we expect one extra ton uh
this year there's a typo right there it
says 2021 twice the second 2021 should
say 2022 it's like a lot it's a lot of
tons yeah it's a ton well just one
ton well I mean as you know like those
buckets if you have slept them to the
curb they weigh I mean they they carry a
lot of weight a lot of food a lot of the
weight in the waist stream is coming
from food waste so um it's been good I
mean like I said we have not
aggressively pushed it in the past
couple years because
we're we're waiting to make sure we 100%
believe in that program um we just found
out that Upper Arlington which has
piloted C curbside food waste awarded a
contract so they are now going to be the
only the second community in central
Ohio to offer food waste curbside all
households they are also doing an opt-in
program um uh Worthington whiteall some
others Westerville have a drop drop off
arrangement for for residents and
we don't have complete data but the data
we have shows there's a radically low
utilization if you have to drop it off
somewhere um the one audit that we had
performed uh was in early
2022 um gives you just an idea it was
two different pickup periods um
and shows this is this data is imperfect
so let me let me preface this it shows
buckets emptied versus enrollment some
of our households have more than one
bucket um it's not super common but it
is it does happen so this isn't like
like for like in terms of number of
people enrolled versus buckets emptied
um but it shows that there's at least a
pretty good utilization and you can see
that our enrollment figures have
continued to increase um at our next
meeting right now the budget is
constructed as if we are Tak it in
housee at our next meeting um we will uh
have
a robust sort of overview of what we're
proposing as compared to the bids that
have been placed um but it's still
looking like if we were to take it inous
we would save substantially it would be
probably the Savings in the realm of 20
to 20 to $40,000 a year taking it in
house uh versus bidding it or going
staying in in the private Market um
we're crosschecking all of our
assumptions just today we were
the crew Brenton and Andy and Elizabeth
and I went to Price Farms in Delaware no
relation uh which is if you guys have
heard of like the zubu that they sell
they they take the zoos
compostables it's good good branding but
uh it's quite an operation so it's been
interesting we've learned a lot and are
continuing to make sure that we feel
comfortable with the
concept they don't make a beer it's a
Zoo Brew of soil and if you have a
dropped off at your house it smells a
little zooy a little bit it's a similar
process though right really it ferments
it ferments yeah um the just total aside
but Tom Tom Price who runs the operation
is a gem and it was like really lovely
to see how he does it's a very large
compost in operation and he is a True
Believer and it's pretty cool to see
what he's done there so we've heard
about it for a while we've keep been
hearing about Price farm so it was cool
to go check it out
we uh small fact I think if you guys
recall four or five years ago our
processor was down for a little
bit maybe nine months a little bit and
we required them to go to Price Farms
and so it was uh it was good to finally
get to visit that so we'll have more
information on that to come any
questions on that before I move on okay
um I also want to just let you know that
we have applied for a grant many of you
have heard about this because I've been
talking about for over a year the Bexley
mural Festival two years you're right
it's been a while we've been turned down
in the past by the Community Foundation
we expect it sounds like we might not be
turned down we'll find out in a week and
this week um I do have we have put some
money in the budget from our tourism and
community events fund which is a thing
it's a funding that's collected from our
bed and breakfast tax um and uh the Main
Street Tiff potentially could help fund
this we're also requesting funding from
the Greater Columbus Arts Council um but
the vision here the concept is that we
would pick probably three canvases in
the city um think like for example I
mean there's a really obvious one right
here on our alley uh this the blank side
of rabinos is a just a blank center
block wall that's never been painted um
work with property owners bring in
really really good artistic talent to
paint like to a very high level um we
have been with time has been well used
making really good connections um with
Greater Columbus Arts Council design
local and others who have helped us sort
of conceive of how would we do this what
are the rfps necessary to bring the
right type of artists to the community
it would be there would be a committee
that helped with the process we would
certainly love local talent we would
certainly be open to National or Beyond
Talent um um and bring some really ex
exciting new art to Main Street but part
of it would be that it would wouldn't
just be like create an art it would be
about a like a week-long festival where
the murals are being painted there are
concerts around them and food trucks and
events and maybe we can get our friends
over that help with the Brew Fest to
help with that a little bit too um so
it's still uh Concept in the making but
I just wanted you to know that it is
there are sections of the budget where
we have tucked away some reserves uh it
to support the event if it should
occur yes um we've spoken about this but
I wanted to um bring it back up to keep
in mind interactive art Y in that
project so it's a destination when we
have you know our residents or people
visiting our Capital students or CSG or
St Char's parents when they want to come
photograph themselves and um you know
put us on the map that's what I was
think some interactive artart I hope
that you would participate in the
committee all in and I will let you know
I look forward to helping to steer to
make sure that the pieces can fall into
place but there are people who are much
more well versed in this than I that I
you know will help lead and and hope
hope will lead and steer
it um and then we'll go
over uh because we have another meeting
if it's okay uh we could go over the
Tiff next week or we could go over it
now it's it's pretty straightforward
kind of depends on what you guys want to
do all right if you will humor me then
uh if you turn your page
to
um 63 I don't think the table cont kind
isn't accurate until the final version
it doesn't
Auto sorry that's not the right
page oh yes that is let's yeah Page 6 3
so we have two tiffs on Main Street that
we um that are Tiff districts of the
city the one is what was formerly uh our
city hall is now the Giant Eagle that's
the one we're looking at here page 63
um that has historically been used to
pay off our debt in in
relocating and how quickly time flew
because we have paid off that debt and
we are no longer
um needing the Tiff for that purpose so
if you turn to page 64 and the
expenses we have uh three buckets here
one is our property tax collection fees
that's required to pay school district
pilot also required to pay that
compensates the school district from the
Tiff and then Tiff expenses here have
previously paid for Debt Service uh here
we are encumbering them for City Hall
office reconfiguration I think I talked
to you guys about this at the capital
budget last week I said some of this is
in capital some of it's in the Tiff this
is the Tiff it's in uh we had an
architect through uh earlier no last
week um to start to talk about security
enhancements as well as office
reconfiguration um what it's basically
doing is we're trying to capture some
more space um as we digitize our Stacks
to make sure that we have accommodation
for special audits coming in or you know
employees that are rotating through so
we do need to capture a little bit more
of office
space any questions on that
Tiff um you'll be briefed and kept the
prized because those plans will be I'll
be very interested in your feedback
obviously as we work through this the
next Tiff is our what we call our
streetcape Tiff that's the the large one
on Main Street that we're discussing
extending that's page
65
um no it's not sorry
that oh it's before before the page
we're on that
is streetscape TI page
61
um the key things to pay attention to
are on page 62 the
details
um we Contin to encumber money for Main
Street design guidelines update we
didn't get that started this year so
instead of carrying that forward we're
just going to re encumber it next year
um Tiff expenses include our uh our
standing um agreements uh for
reimbursement on some some Tiff items uh
eligible Street skate park and public
improvements um and there is a $40,000
additional appropriation anticipated to
help uh with uh installation of the
public Art on Main Street potentially
should that happen that's where that's
where you see that uh there are then
discret Tiff agreements uh between 216
that's the Ohio State Bank Tiff 2400
that's the Connell flow Tiff those are
contractual Tiff uh
reimbursements and then completing the
trail of parks that
is the final appropriation on year the
parks uh Mike price is working with the
skat Park design committee as you know
uh we're still working on the bridge uh
so there are actually many projects that
are not yet completed as part of that
project uh that you'll continue to see
happening throughout um the year and
then finally one of the pieces of our
strategic plan calls for that public art
and placemaking strategic plan there's
some funding there to facilitate uh with
with the plan through the
Tiff
and I would P you back to the overall
fund just to see that if you look at the
21 actual ending balance the 22 actual
ending balance you look at what we're
projecting in the end for our budget
that even though we've gone through this
Trail of the
parks ostensibly in this budget we've
completed all the trail parks we're
still net seeing a growth in our fund
balance which is positive good thing you
see that that I'm not saying this very
well the draw down of 187 is on a
inflated balance that's inflated because
of the it alone for the year of the
parks
projects that makes
sense any questions any questions Y what
about the cohatch Tiff so the cohatch
Tiff will be a a it is set to currently
be a discret separate Tiff account but
if we extend this Tiff by 15 years it
will show up in this in the future but
it will be after the Tiff starts to be
productive which would be 2025 I
believe yeah and if if that's not
correct we have adequate appropriation
that we could reallocate and move it
over for
them yep it's a it'll Trail based on the
tax
year
uh oh yeah you gotta you got hand down
yeah sorry
where
sorry see you there I see
you I know I'm short um I do see that
there's a um a rainy day contribution of
50,000 with this budget do I read that
right that's correct um assuming we go
with that do you know what that would
bring our rainy day balance to yep that
brings our rainy day balance to 1. n75
million probably the highest it's ever
been right it is every time we
contribute it's the highest it's ever
been dipped into it okay not to be
snarky but that's uh so yeah that's
that's healthy that's you know we were
looking at general fund balances in that
range not too long ago so yeah it's in
good shape and and that coupled with our
general fund reserves we're looking at a
total Reserve of 6 million which is
above that 25% threshold what I was
aiming for but we'll continue to keep
eye on that great thank you um there's
one more sorry guys as long as I have
you here it was the one I started
talking to you about incorrectly which
is Page 65 that's our infrastructure
development
fund
um this is uh when we created this fund
it's that's a typo saying what it's for
on our budget we'll get that fixed this
is for broadly infrastructure projects
as well as environmental
remediation
um and Associated expenses so we had
encumbered funds this year for
acquisition expecting that the Mayfield
Ferndale properties over top of the
landfill might begin to be acquired as
you know that hasn't occurred we have
had year-to-date expenses associated
with um testing legal so Associated
expenses we're continuing to appropriate
for next year but same comment I made to
you last year is that number you know
might be a start we'll know a whole lot
more once things start going and and um
we are contributing additional funds in
this budget of
$200,000 uh so uh we will end the year
probably uh if you look at that end fund
balance year to dat right there where it
says 2.94 6 knowing that we're not going
to spend the whole lot will be north of
3 million in the infrastructure fund uh
coming into next
year Okay so we've been doing a good job
socking that away
for not just remediation but also future
water sewer
projects more to come stay
tuned and that concludes um my
presentation M
Lamy um does anyone have any other
questions before I make a motion to
table ordinance
39-23 all right seeing none I move to
table ordinance
39-23 motion to table by Miss lamp key
second second by Mr Kingler Mr mCP Miss
H yes Miss vible yes yes Miss Robinson
yes Mr Marcelino yep Mr Kingler yes Miss
ly yes Mr Markham yes ordinance
tabled all right then I guess we are on
to the third reading of ordinance
40-23 to amend chapter 1254 commercial
and institutional District regulations
in order to further affirm the
prohibition of uses involving any adult
use cannabis operator adult use cator
and adult use dispensary introduced by
Mr
Kingler thanks Mr official can we can
you bring up ordinance 40-23
please yes one second
Sor if I remember correctly I think we
just had a comment last time about a
typo potentially we didn't need to amend
it but it was it was adult
use cannabis putting cannabis in front
of cultivator yeah do we need to amend
that or is that a we do that now title
it's not substantive
okay I do have some
comments uh whenever you're
ready um yeah sorry go ahead just that
we presented this to the um Bo to zoning
and planning on last Thursday um part of
our zoning process is that we asked beat
for a recommendation to council um prior
to this prior to the holding of the
public hearing which needs to be
scheduled at least 30 days out from
today um Bap voted four to one to
recommend the the this ordinance to
council there was one dissenting vote um
I have been made aware that there is a
post on the buzz about this uh that
incorrectly States um the sequence of
events for this ordinance so I just want
to clarify on the record we had a first
reading of this ordinance on November
14th we had a second reading on November
28th we went to Bap on November 30th
today is December 5th it's our third
reading um we will need to table it
because we will need to have that public
hearing so tonight we'll discuss when
the public hearing will be held it will
then be brought off the table at the
public hearing at some meeting in
January at which point in time Council
may or may not choose to vote on it I
think there might be some confusion
because there's emergency language in
this sometimes people can inflate that
with whether or not you're suspending
and adopting um so the emergency
language just means it becomes effective
upon passage um or signature yeah um so
for the record in case anyone asks you
no this was not attempted to rush
through ccil uh nor can we with zoning
zoning zoning changes require that extra
time same that ask to Legal is there any
uh thing that we need to be considering
with what's going on at the State House
currently before we even set that
special hearing no I think the
anticipation will be that city council
may want to revisit this question maybe
middle part of next year before the
state starts issuing um um registrations
for businesses prior likely in the fall
um there's some talk about and again one
of one of the one of the main things in
House Bill 341 is if it passes would
allow
cities to regulate hom grow um right now
there is no ability to regulate hom grow
outside the statute so that might be a
reason to reconsider it but not to wait
or
anything yes Miss son may I ask what was
the one in opposition for the four to
one vote the who or the logic the logic
I think the logic I will try to express
it accurately was that the voters passed
uh issue to um by you know especially in
Bexley a majority of Bexley voters voted
for issue two and the sentiment that was
Express is you know if the voter said
that this should be legal then why would
we say that you can't um do that here so
then we had a discussion about things
that are legal to do in Ohio but we
don't allow in our zoning so that exists
um already and and there are examples of
that
yep
uh January 9th is more than 30 days out
that's our uh our first council meeting
in January that would be a potential
date for public hearing or uh and I
believe it's our website is adequate for
posting require any specific publication
in a newspaper so we would you know
obviously have it in the blast and on
our website um or the 23 of January is
another possible date where we could
have that public hearing is that our
typically zoning chair on that typically
y typically there isn't much going
on maybe there will be this time but
it's out there yes Miss so the
recommendation would be like the public
meeting before
Council on the 9th you can have it as
part of your meeting as well oh gotcha
okay which might be better since we
don't know it could be a big thing or a
little thing but I mean
whatever we put it in the beginning
beginning of a regular meeting yeah that
would be my recommendation as you just
do it at the beginning of the regular
meeting I think we've done that way
before what he
said uh so what would you
like uh I yeah is there any reference
one way or another here council members
anything Mr Silverman you got any input
in this
I was
just Alex over 683 ver Road um my only
question and and I talked a little bit
about it with Mark was since the State
House hasn't ruled on it what's the
logic by doing this now haven't really
seen what exactly the finalized Bill
looks like what's the pros and cons for
passing something like this that could
be overruled upon the State House
finalizing their uh house bill yeah if
if I may yeah sure I think there is
extremely unlikely that anything will be
overruled what in this ordinance this
ordinance is just taking advantage of
this provision in the law right now that
gives local control and ability to say
we don't want it in our city um I think
if anything again city council may want
to consider expanding some of these or
or at least reviewing what the State
House does and nothing prevents us from
doing that the other thing I would say
and again this is not as crucial of an
issue as I initially thought it might be
once the law was passed um but if we the
restrictions are in place before we
start getting inklings of people wanting
to do this in Bexley it's easier to for
enforce those
restrictions before somebody is so
sinking some money into something
thinking they could do it so that's I
think the biggest reason to go forward
should Council sentiment be to approve
this ordinance and I would anticipate
would have a maybe a pretty good
discussion about that on the 9th if we
have that on the and of course we'd have
the option to table that if we wanted to
take some time Etc depending on what
happens during that uh what do we call
it the public hearing sorry the public
hearing yeah yeah my question to you Mr
Silverman is the date if you have any
input on the date since that's going to
impact
you while he's looking it up I wanted to
double check if I can with their City a
citizen initiated
statute that does have the effect of law
right like unless they change it it gets
out it gets added to the orc right oh
it's added to the orc it's there so it
is in effect it is in effect in two days
exactly corre okay so just clarifying
it's in effect and then
they most likely will have a bill to
modify it whether or not that passes
state
correct so what got voted on yes
y okay then let's add it to six sounds
and we'll put it in the website and the
blast we scream it from the rooftops
there is a public hearing on ordinance
4023 which has had three full robust
readings will be tabled and will be
taken off but Jess yeah well I didn't
know we were going that far with it but
um I did mention to Mr official in the
mayor my situation with being sworn in
yeah yeah that was approved for the
ninth so so you'll be sworn in the ninth
yeah yeah I'm just gonna put it all on
there yeah I mean that that'll just
happen right at the beginning of the
meeting do it I mean you're SW frankly
the swearing ends a formality
but if she forgets to get sworn in does
that mess everything up
all right we kid uh let's see so uh I
think that's where we are then sounds
good January 9th we will fold that into
our meeting we'll put it in the
beginning um uh any further comment
questions
concerns if not um I you've got
something going
on before I make a motion to table this
I will just say I am in favor not that
it matters of ordinance 40-23 and now
I'll make a motion to table ordinance
40-23 motion isable by Mr Kingler
seconded by
somebody seconded and I concur with Matt
while I don't have a say in the matter I
am in support of this ordinance for
record we're gonna cut off a comment on
that and go to MC
peek Mr Marcelino yes Miss lampy yes Mr
Kingler yes Miss sad yes Miss fible yes
Miss Robinson yes and Mr Markham yes
ordinance is table we do appreciate the
uh you are welcome at the public hearing
yes that's true that's true all right we
are under second readings now ordinance
41-23 to amend ordinance number 9104 to
extend the life of the Main Street
incentive District Main Street
Redevelopment and streetcape Tiff and
the period of of the tax exemption
provided therein by an additional 15
years introduced by Mr
Kingler thanks could you bring up the
ordinance the mayor went over this
extensively uh at the last
meeting to remind everyone this we are
taking advantage of a
niche uh law in the
orc um in order to extend our Main
Street Tiff
agreement are there any
questions there was a
question Mr Mr CL Mr yes okay there was
a question asked at the last meeting
about how long it would extend
until
um
and 2051 that's right and there
is a time we still need to provide
notice to the school in the county which
is has to be done we have not provided
notice of the school in the county have
we okay so we will not be able to vote
on this at the next council meeting
we'll need to table it um we need 14
days advanced notice to them I guess
okay so if you can get that in your
calendar that we'll get that out you
gave us the letter to
send I did you want to table at the next
one or you want to table one now what's
that you want to table it at the next
one or do you want to table it now I
have no
problems might as well
I always think it's cleaner to table on
the third so you know it's had three
readings and and you know you're ready
for normally you guys normally do I
would just say that I have heard uh
other communities other City councils
are like jumping on this too so yep it
is prudent I think
yep all right yep go ahead mayor Castor
do you want to speak to why it is and
how we have this window right now and
that's why we're seeking the opportunity
just for that reminder from the last
last meeting that you yes so uh there
was a statutory change that allowed for
extension of certain uh tiffs created
prior to 2006 or some it's in your
recitals says it right there um and uh
and and because of that to allow the
extension of 15 years to those tiffs
um the sort of armchair analysis that
we've heard is that it was done on
behalf of a certain project a certain
client that that might not exist as a
right into the future this is a good
opportunity for us to extend our Tiff
now the question is why would we want to
extend our Tiff um this the Tiff in
question here is the main street
streetscape Tiff it um benefits uh the
city and providing us with funds to
improve the streetcape of Main Street
and the overall environment of Main
Street it does not take any taxes away
from the school district they are
completely made whole by this Tiff um
essentially it's diverting funds that
might have gone or would have gone to um
County uh property tax dollars or or
other agency dollars um and taking any
incremental increase in value and
putting them into this Tiff so um it's a
great tool that we have um this would
put it out to 1951 seems like a long
time but when 2051 oh my gosh it's been
a long night what are they called public
meetings yeah
[Laughter]
I didn't just hear that uh and uh so I
think it gives us just additional
flexibility on our Main Street Tiff I
don't think I know it does give us extra
flexibility those funds can be used for
things
like you know parks and
um beautiful public improvements on Main
Street and infrastructure yes so then do
we need to look at tabling it tonight
because it had
where there is this opportunity are we
not worried about that let it go to a
third reading then table it so we have
that option I think we're just sort of
saying maybe best to let it go to the
third reading and then then table we are
not worried about a timeline of it going
away 2024 we have to do 14 days notice
to the county and the schools um that
was a detail that was lacking before so
we're sending that notice I will find
out if they can wave that and let us
vote on it so I don't think they can I
think it's yeah because the schools can
wave it in situations so we'll see if
that's wable that's fine if it if it we
you can ask our Tiff
lawyer which is not
me all
right so I guess everybody good with
that is that that sound
agreeable okay we're just GNA go for a
third reading
yep
okay ordinance second reading of
ordinance 42-23 authorizing the mayor
and auditor auditor to entered into a
contract between the city of Bexley and
Franklin County Public Health introduced
by Mr Marcelino I have nothing to add
from the last first reading but I'm
happy to answer any questions or direct
them to the mayor or the auditor since
they're requesting
it silence
ensues
next all right second reading of
ordinance oh I would say maybe I'm good
with that nobody any objection to
consent okay objection all right there
you go
Natalie giving you a little little
something to perk you up
there all right we have a second reading
of ordinance 43-23
authorizing uh the to add chapter 1485
to the city of Bexley codified
ordinances ising requirements for
automatic external defibrillators and
bleeding control kit kits and certain
establishments within the city
introduced by Mr
Marcelino I'm happy to answer any
questions if you have them I also have
asked uh lee Nathans to see if he can
make it towards the next meeting to
discuss this as I know it's one of his
uh one of the things he's very
passionate about but I'll leave it at
that for a second second
reading yes Matt just one question for
Mark is there any liability on business
owners or establishments that have these
let's say they let them lapse or they
don't provide training for their
employees and then they're not used and
somebody passes away there there is not
I mean there's I actually I was going to
research the issue of Good Samaritan
laws and the application but I'm pretty
sure that it does would apply in these
situations okay yeah the good I believe
that's exact I just want to make sure
applied and it didn't okay all right I
can't say that some ambulance chasing
attorney such as myself won't
necessarily give a good try but that's
the way that the world is but outside of
that I'm pretty sure the Good Samaritan
law applies
yes it is amazing some of the the
threats we've gotten back in the day
about nothing related to that it's like
clear no liability but that lawyer's
can't you just give me 5,000 20 no all
right you want to get your business card
in these kids too MO is that what's
going
on um Sam I was going to say I know it's
only the second reading and maybe Lee
Nathans will be here at the next one but
uh have you maybe given some thought to
maybe workshopping this with a small
group of maybe two other council members
just to kind of go through it a little
more closely we can decide at the next
but I think that there's a lot here
especially to the extent that it is
going to uh impact our our business
Community sure what do you think of that
so uh for one I'll will let you know
that I did send this to Brian drewy uh
in charge of obviously the Chamber of
Commerce here to make sure he didn't
have any concerns or questions also feel
free to Workshop it with his members to
see if anybody had any concerns or
questions and they did not he's not back
gotten back to me about that in terms of
anything that he has a concern with
second I would like to welcome you to
that committee that you just created
yourself and I welcome anybody else fell
right in abely into you know over the
next week and I'd be happy to set a time
with you and anybody that may be
interested in hopping on here um over
the next uh week just to hop on a call
for uh some time to work through it that
sounds like a great idea to me okay we
could also maybe hear from Lee nathens
and then decide at that time if we
wanted to maybe table it and take the
holidays and sure delve into it a little
further I'll send an email uh to you and
ccom side who just a question oh wow
well you all Oh no you're you're
end I I gotta get prepared on
35-23 I'm not opposed to helping but
there might be someone else who was
really wanting to step forward I just
had a quick question Jen Robinson um so
have we thought off of what um
councilwoman lamkey was saying have we
had any thought just anytime that we're
doing something around our neighbors
with zoning and whatnot will always give
a certain radius of um letters that go
out have we thought about just letting
since it's not hard for us to send and
maybe work with Brian um to notify the
business owners about this ordinance I
know you've put thought into that yeah
you know I'll tell you the truth I think
to do business in our community is a
privilege and we have to uphold certain
levels of safety that we feel
comfortable with and so I don't think uh
giving them six months and and about a
,000 machine or so um to come into to um
compliance with this ordinance it's
doesn't seem that unreasonable to me to
where I feel the need to necessarily
provide additional um information I
certainly again I provided to Brian and
he's free to share that as it is a
public record I'm sure he has and we
haven't heard anything back um and so I
haven't put a ton of thought into it
because I I want it implied whether
somebody likes it or not you know and I
can't see if somebody came to us as you
know as a Committee Member saying I want
to do business here but I can't afford
the AED I would certainly be willing to
see if there's some funding somewhere to
try and sponsor that as opposed to
necessarily holding off on pursuing this
ordinance I appreciate out to um the
chamber it's
great and you want on that
committee maybe no all right there you
go and keep in mind if if Miss lampy is
truly on it it sounds like she is um
that only one other council member can
be involved otherwise I mean more can be
but then would have to be scheduled as a
meeting right and noticed as
such well so I would take first come
first serve all right uh go ahead all
right second reading of ordinance
44-23 to establish the water and sewer
raids charged by the city of Bexley and
to declare an emergency Miss
lampy um thank you as mentioned uh
previously uh the Water and Sewer rates
are going up 5% so the Amendments uh
show the revised rate uh mayor did you
have any changes to this one or we
pretty sure that those are the right
rates
yeah I've not heard anything different
from Columbus yep we'll confirm that
before next meeting though sounds good
do we need to hold on to that one
then not consent
agenda
yeah often I feel like just because of
the yeah large impact it's not always a
consent
sounds great questions or
comments all right all right moving on
to Second reading of resolution 9-23
confirming the mayor's appointments of
members to the community Improvement
Corporation the CRA Council and the
board of zoning and planning introduced
by M Robinson thank you uh we did go
over this last week um pretty
straightforward I know the holiday a
really crazy time do we know if we have
anybody potentially scheduled to come to
speak and introduce themselves to us
like who's this Matt Kingler guy and
be I'm
not uh yeah the the other two members of
the cic are Todd fredman and Heidi
McCabe I believe top of my memory um and
so I our normal process would not to
have them be come back not not be to
have them come back but we can if you
want okay um otherwise I would really
think it appropriate to ask Mr quing to
St step in front of the uh Le turn
and have a thorough cross- exam
betting at the next meeting oh yeah I
think so yeah yeah and beer hail as well
he seems
yeah um and a question was asked of me U
we all know Beer's return in March
um it you know it's been helpful to have
the finance director on the CAC so it's
very possible that his successor would
be appointed um
or potentially somebody in charge of
depart department head of development so
we'll kind of see how that looks and you
can
expect another appointment ordinance in
the spring for that position as it
vacates great okay thanks I'd like to
see if we could get the chief to get us
maybe a lie detector to to
use yeah and a thorough background check
yeah for
sure all right
all right moving on to a second reading
of resolution 10-23 to schedule the city
the city of Bexley to schedule the
Bexley city council meeting dates sorry
it makes sense you say it you're right
and time stop dates and times for the
new for the year 2024 Mr Markham all
right uh we've got gonna pull that up
again just so take a look at it again
again on this one I would invite you to
take a look at it Alex this is going to
involve you uh these are dates for our
meetings next
year we did make a change from that
November 5th
right so that November 5th becomes
November
12th exhibit I
don't it form do have I do have a
corrected version I'm going to pull up
on the screen okay and we also recognize
that Russia Yung are not in September
there
that's we don't know that not
yet oh you do okay yeah all right it's
on the calendar all right I didn't
check well that's why it's here so
everybody can kind of look at it
and double check make sure that none of
those dates were missing anything or
whatever all right yes sir did
I so the swearing in will be on the
second have a special meeting and that's
at 7 o'clock that's at by the reminders
that's at 7 o'clock right yeah it's
literally it's the
law yeah so it comes to the Tuesday the
2 at 7
pm. you're here for 6 PM it's the
tailgate apologize I don't think I'll be
back yet either so I apologize for this
okay all right uh I think we're ready to
move
on okay we have second reading of
resolution 11-23 adopting the city of
Bey 2023 strategic Plan update Miss
Robinson uh thank you guys all again for
making time to be here early today um
does anybody have any questions I know
uh we spent a lot of time on mission and
vision today Jess you had asked about
all of the
notes which were being incorporated into
uh the the current plan U mayor do you
have an updated version that is attached
here is this the updated one no so um I
do not uh will I am I am endeavoring to
have that in your hands sooner rather
than later um I don't think we're going
to see extensive updates but I will uh I
will make those I will catalog them and
let you let you know what they are okay
so we'll have them for the next we'll be
yeah we'll be able to you would need
that I hope so we're hoping to get us
over that Finish Line in the Robinson
strategic committee
era right and and then to that same
point we need to Boogie on the mission
and vision amendments as well seven days
yeah yep
okay
boogie all right okay I think we're on
to First readings then a first reading
of ordinance
45-23 to amend chapter 880 of the city's
codified ordinances to comply with
changes made in House Bill 33 effective
January 1st 2024 introduced by Ms Lamy
thank you Mark I'm going to hand this
one back to you to discuss the tax law
changes consistent with House Bill
33 yes so the general assembly made
changes to uh the statutes relating to
local taxes we have no um say so in it
we have to comply and change our
ordinances I apologize for how lengthy
it is I just thought well frankly it was
easier for me and probably a better read
for anybody who's list looking at the
whole thing to put everything together
it's the bold that that's the new stuff
um but basically in a nutshell it's to
recognize and incorporate some of the
changes relating to work from home and
you know the site the location where
somebody is going to declare that their
their businesses and paying taxes it's
interesting it made it harder to um it
it reduced just as an a side not a big
change but it reduced the Caps the um
amount that we can charge somebody who
fails to pay their taxes on time at $25
and if the first time we got they don't
we can't charge them anything and it
extends the time for um people ask for
extensions from current October 15 to
November 15th for some reason so you
take a look at it we don't have a whole
lot of say so in it but there it
is questions
comments
beauti
yes pointed that out
whereas and I guess that's it since
we're not doing 4623 all right uh action
on taed
ordinances yes sir I move to take
ordinance 3523 off the table all right
there's a motion to remove ordinance
35-23 from the table by Mr Marcelino
second second by Mr Kingler all in favor
say I I I I'll oppose same sign all
right same I think it's clear but I also
just want to note for the record that I
do plan to move forward with this on a
vote at the next meeting uh on the 12th
as I just wish to have the parties here
that have heard this kind of develop
over time happy to answer any questions
about this over now or over the next
week I know the mayor and I have
thoughts that we may look into and if
there's any development upon those I'll
share those but regardless where the
development is on those ideas I still
plan to move forward with this um at the
next hearing itself and uh I just wanted
to note that I don't plan to ask for a
vote tonight but happy to leave it open
for a second if anybody has anything to
add thanks to both of you for that's a
bunch of stuff to read too I took a look
at a lot of that any comments or
questions since it is off the table
right
now then I would move to place it back
on the table uh motion to Place
ordinance
35-23 on the table by Mr barcelino
second second by Mr Kingler all in favor
say I I all oppos same sign all right
then we move into uh committee reports
finance committee Miss
ly um our next meeting will be back here
in just a week obviously we tabled our
pay and budget
ordinances um we do have December 19th
reserved is a fallback if we can't get
everyone's budget questions answered by
next week but it's my hope that we
really do um so if you have any
questions about that please feel free to
reach out um in the interim and then
also uh please take a look at the um uh
proposed ordinance for first reading
next week uh that the mayor talked about
in his report so we can hopefully uh
vote on that and maybe sus supended at
the same time uh EV yes um also if uh if
I don't I don't off the top of my head
I'm not sure I know of any outstanding
items for the budget that you guys are
still looking for I mean obviously like
the food waste we're going to come back
on that is there
anything ice R ice rank uh yeah is there
anything but if if there's anything else
you think of now or later that you're
like hey we need to delve deeper please
let me know so I can prepare yeah Mr
yeah I noted that they asked for uh
$21,000 for uhls that they send out
through the parks and recck Department
sounds like that's about a $7,000
onetime expenditure for the really nice
glossy uh print there that we've
discussed in the past containing a lot
of environmental information and
education for the public um I would ask
that you uh at least find 7,000 in your
current budget or request an additional
7,000 for that education portion in this
next year to go out about things such as
recycling
food waste collection Etc to help
educate our idoling to help educate our
public I love it the the green Bexley
handbook inspired by Sam
Marcelino champion of yes the greenest
member
of good literally are you done and the
report yep all right we'll move
seamlessly into marcelino's report then
nothing further thank you all right now
to Jen Robinson nothing further how
about Matt cling
uh just one thing real quick I want to
um thank our ARB and Bap for all the
hard work they've done amen with the
Main Street project awesome
um yeah yeah and then also um sorry F I
didn't mean to interrupt you no I was
just saying welld deserved oh yeah
they're amazing and then I would also
advise and implore our residents to go
to our City's website for all of the um
important data there's a lot of I
misinformation out there misunderstood
information out there so um just hit up
be.org and go to uh go find all
that everything you need to know about
the development that's all
thanks mingler
becky. no no that's just Bexley
org H lauran I've got nothing Jessica
sad are we're finishing up the uh 2023
year so board meets tomorrow night I'll
be back here at 5:30 um and wanted to
acknowledge our last be Beckley
Education Foundation meeting tomorrow
night um after the recck board meeting
over at montros that'll be the end of
year for that um the mayor highlighted
this but this Sunday we will have the
manora lighting that takes place over at
the CSG campus at 6m and uh looking
forward to seeing the community and a
lot of you at the pan breakfast at
Jeffrey Mansion um at 8:30 am Lori and
mayler yeah
yeah H maybe you're not Sam
[Laughter]
okay what a supportive H husband Adam
council members enter one leaves I will
bring Adam so like to put me where he
needed me most and I was the late one so
if you need to switch all right all
right kids all right kids all
right I like the fire left in you guys
how about that uh we we well we got time
for public comments though we got any
public
comments all right uh uh there is no
executive session that I
amware I don't for practice I I think
somebody uh we we have a motion to
adjourn so moved and do we have a second
second somebody would probably say go
Columbus Crew was I hit the g there we
go that was that seems to me and maybe
I'm wrong
almost