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okay we will call to order the October
12th 2023 Architectural Review board
meeting
uh can we have Kathy call the roll Miss
ster yes Mr Hall here Mr Scott here Mr
CER here Madame Tony
here uh approval of minutes from last
month did everybody get a chance to
review those
and make your adjustments I know I made
some adjustments on the
website in that uh PDF document so
hopefully some of that got she wondered
where those so they're actually in the
document okay good yes
yes okay so um can we have approval of
minutes
please still
moved
second I will call the roll M trouser
yes Mr Scott yes Mr H yes Mr Hall yes
Madam Tony
yes okay this is the uh time of the
meeting for a public comment if there's
anyone in the uh audience that would
like to make a public comment that's
about something that's not on the agenda
please come
forward hant Lewis 663 UK Clair I was
just curious what is the reasoning
behind not allowing a apartment or
living space above a
garage because if it's is located in a
single family District you can't create
two dwelling units on the same lot
however you can have two of three
components in an accessory structure but
it just simply can't be used as a
dwelling unit and those three components
it's a bedroom kitchen or bathroom
bedroom kitchen or bathroom Okay do you
think there's a possibility of changing
that since they say we have uh an issue
with affordable housing
um that would be a city council issue
and if they want to discuss it I'm sure
that the boards would probably provide
input to them okay thank you and just so
you know there are some structures that
have all three of those components they
just are have been approved through
Bap yes and there are some that are
grandfathered
into currently being rented say that
again that's that's something that goes
to city council to have all three okay
you really wanted to become an advocate
for it would be through a city council
member
to be the one to lead that church
probably Matt Kingler since he's zoning
this point yeah I don't know uh he's
he's well he's up for election so
whatever that position over zoning yeah
that's that's him right now thank you
thank you is there anyone else that
would like to make a public
comment Don Lewis I would just ask that
each you pray for the people of Israel
and the state of Israel thank you thank
you has comment
on yes yes
yep um yeah I just want to take a minute
to um welcome fory Jones she's our
newest alternate um and we were as many
of you know in desperate need of
alternates it is a relief to have um a
new shiny face and I'd like to welcome
cour board we have a full Quorum today
which is amazing but um she's just going
to stay and kind of listen to the cases
and get a hang of it awesome welcome
thank
you okay um so our next uh yep yep our
next thing is I wanted uh just let
everyone know that we have an applicant
that has tabled their uh application
today it is Bap 23-23 the address is
2200 East Main
the applicant is Ryan Pearson and the
owner is Continental Real Estate is
there anyone that came to the meeting
today because of that
application okay um I don't see anybody
but I will announce that we are having a
um a meeting on that application Tuesday
morning at 8:30 so if you would like to
come uh and be witness to that meeting
you are all welcome uh I don't think we
will have the public um working on the
meeting but you will be able to uh
um you know watch it and see how the
process goes so if you're interested in
that project all are welcome to that
meeting should we clarify that it's not
a approval meeting yeah it's not an
approval meeting it is just a working
session to try to help that project uh
get on the right foot
so okay and then the next order of
business is we have uh three
applications that we have all reviewed
and have put on a consent agenda they
are application number ARB 23-31 the
address is 2355 South Commonwealth the
applicant is Pete Foster and the owner
is Heather Goldberg the second one is
application number ARB
23-34 the address is 2722 Fair Avenue
the applicant is Gary Alexander and the
owner is Andrew and Heidi
Solomon and the last one is application
number Bap
23-23 address 131 South Roosevelt the
applicant is Brian marsich and the owner
is Ray delie is there anyone that came
uh to speak about those applications
today if so raise your
hand okay seeing none um a few board
members did have a a couple
recommendations for those applications
and the uh owners have agreed to make
those small changes so um I just need a
board member to move to approve those
three consent items so moved
higher
all call the roll M ster yes Mr Scott
yes Mr Hall yes Mr H yes Madam Tony
yes okay that takes us then to Old
business we will start with application
ARB
23-21 the address is 316 North Columbia
the applicant is Barry tulos and Lydia
Danel the owner is Rick and Cheryl
golden um whoever would like to speak
about that application please come
forward so you can be sworn
in please raise your right hand and
please state your name starting with you
sir Lydia Daniel Richard goldon do you
somly swore orir the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
yes yes thank
you okay I'm gonna let Karen just go
through I'm gonna give a little
background on this um I um as many of
you know I was not at the meeting that
this originally came to um but I have
worked now with the applicant following
that meeting and um some of you can fill
in the gaps if you want from from that
meeting that I wasn't here for but um I
could tell pretty easily what the issues
were uh this was a project that the
drawings were very hard to disci her
they combined uh it was a combination of
the the Raw architectural plans and
elevations which is really generally
what we want to see um with a lot of
design and ornamentation that the
applicant wants to add as well um the
application is for a a relatively modest
addition to an existing rear elevation
um that includes an indoor pool um in
this part down here um I've worked with
the applicant
on eliminating some of the things that
really didn't make a lot of sense like
um I can pull up the old submission but
if you remember there were no windows on
this wall and kind of like a decorative
board with some um shutters I think
that's this elevation that the shutters
were just kind of glued on Hurricane
yeah so what I what I worked hard with
the applicant we met um maybe a couple
times I don't really remember but
certainly we had one really roll up your
sleeves and dig in um to understand the
architecture
what was originally there what was
staying some of the proportions didn't
really make sense and I think it's
really been cleaned up a lot so it's
still a little bit confusing because the
drawings show um both the
elevations and
um
also how the applicant wants to apply
some materiality and and some
ornamentation to the back um for example
the stone
um and there was this is your intention
to go grip
on the piece that is currently
cited sting I have it here no I'm asking
you if this is correct in correct yes I
couldn't hear I'm sorry so
um I'm gonna pull up my staff report as
well because in the staff report I had
put
some
um some additional illustrations because
I think it's really important to be able
to see the um the existing elevation
of and this for reference is what was
um submitted last month and you can
really see the
changes this is the cleaned up elevation
that shows the existing Windows as they
actually are and the insertion of some
other windows and spaces that we talked
about would really be uncomfortable to
have spaces that large even though it's
I think it's a closet um so we we did
adds and windows I think it'll be very
beneficial um and here's one step
further putting in some of the
ornamentation they'll think that the
application the applicant wants um some
columns that we worked on
proportions and um this is a railing
which wasn't clear in the first um
drawing on aluminum railing but I I
think actually it's it's best if the
applicant if you want to walk through um
or maybe just entertain some questions
from the board most of this is a
clarification um the drawings were
really hard to decipher the first time
so the um applicant really did take time
to step back remove the ornamentation
make sure that the roof plan really did
work um the the draft person or
architect that did the original drawings
couldn't be here tonight so the
applicant has brought um Brian who we
all know and love to uh talk about any
of the architectural or construction
detail you want to go through and just
explain some of the changes that you
made to
us
okay well I think that Karen had pointed
out that was the concern about the space
above the dinette that happened to um
not have any Windows because at the time
it was a a closet and still a closet Mr
closet
so we added the two windows that she
requested and to make sure that they
didn't look like eyebrows she so we did
that and then we um changed the window
over the the area where the um where the
elevator is above the back door we
changed the window because it was so
question about being too large yes right
there and we we actually got it to match
the window alongside of it so that was
consistent
and um and then we uh removed some of
the added like border trim across the
base of the back of the West View which
is back of the house and really just put
in a soldiering to keep the line of
design going through but at the same
time trying to bring a little bit of the
brick
across um and uh then basically we
removed the shutters that were above the
garage um that was a question question
about the idea that it might not be
necessary or just wasn't fitting in they
thought was too much so we removed that
what's the line underneath there where
you remove those shutters it looks like
there's one big band of something at the
bottom of those windows what is
that I I believe that that's I I believe
what that really is is the set roof it's
the garage roof it's a secondary there
there's a little there's an that's
existing slope there's a there's like
two slates deep there that's gotcha
okay thank you that's existing thank
you okay thank you
second and then basically we um made the
columns narrower uh the cols were
originally 24 inches wide and there was
a discussion that possibly if we could
just get that to be narrower that would
feel more comfortable to the space so we
did that and then of course the fascia
over the pool building there was a
discussion that possibly that was
needing to be stepped down or broken up
so that it wouldn't feel so heavy and so
we then turned around and put the gutter
outside before we had it kind of hidden
behind the fascia and give it a step
down so it feel a little more
comfortable and so that's the changes
that we did um that I believe that was
about everything that was brought up
that might be concern and um and then I
think that's really it and then I guess
the rest of is back to reviewing and
then having questions okay awesome I'm
gonna open up to the board then is that
okay okay is there a board member that
would like to go first oh is there
anybody in the audience that would like
to talk about this
application okay I see none is there a
board member that would like to go
first I I have had one question in
the I assume that's brick in the I don't
know how to describe
the there we go that's that's oh I ass
that's brick correct is there brick
Elsewhere on the
house well there that we did a should
not in the existing okay so's the
solding going across there to bring this
line across right
the only thing there's a little bit of a
brick texture but it's in the front of
the house but it's only the porch when
you first walking in the tile there's a
red orangey brick the the Brick is you
can see have samples of it here it
matches the same color tone as the rest
of the so it's not like a red brick I
brought the sampling and it's exactly a
taup so it's a texture not a color so
it's there as a texture but it's not
going to um just jump out at you it's if
anything it's going to just recess
back okay and then the stone treatment
to the left of that that is what is that
a that stone is exactly the same Stone
as the front of the house and also which
possibly we have a detached garage
behind as well and it it matches the
same Stone that's on in the backyard on
the the detach garage as well we first
started knew that that stone was already
so obvious in the back I said well I've
got to bring a little bit of it in tight
to the house so that's why I brought it
acrost okay thank you that's all I
had Mr Scott you want to go next sure
um I I think the the efforts that you've
made have kind of gone through and
really cleaned up the overall design uh
and I appreciate those efforts uh I
think it's clear that uh with some
editing this is kind of settled down to
where it wants to be I have a couple
questions on the garage above the garage
doors you have looks like some plates um
especially in the middle I know that
there's some details we talked about at
the windows the center of the house are
you matching can you explain what that
is well that's basically that's a
bracket um I did more of like a overhang
bracket over the garage and then what I
was doing is using a little bit of a
clay it wouldn't be necessarily a bol
looking but just a nice CL just to give
it a little bit more interest so there's
this the center one uh has looks four
we'll call it bolts just for lack of a
right other term but then the left and
right look like they're half the height
of that bracket right underneath it and
I just the center one you're
articulating is larg brought it up and
brought it under correct I just thought
it would emphasize it and give a little
more
interest and then uh okay I understand
that um the brick portion of the Gable
uh it's not really clear because it's of
all the other elements is there brick
that's on the sides of the doors that's
coming down or is it is that brick just
floating above the the header it's it's
um and I see that there's some brick at
the suit there there's there's a brick
but the
the trim above it as trim okay it's it's
a drywall not drywall but it's a regular
um composite wood or be wood correct and
painted and uh but there is no brick on
going down the side and the reason why
because to be honest with you it's
extremely narrow no I was looking at the
plan I think my only concern is you know
brick is a heavy material and I
appreciate that it's the the same tone
as the rest of the house if it was a red
brick I wouldn't I couldn't support it I
agree it'd be floating and and this
house isn't isn't you know in a modern
house you could potentially get away
with that but in this style it would be
necessarily appropriate without having
some structure that was showing that it
was supporting it and I don't see that
here um the fact that it's said more of
a textured base um yeah the thin yeah
it's a thin brick and it's just going to
provide a texture but it's still brick
so I think the the only concern is it's
it's it's floating and I think the scale
of that header um will help support that
visually and it's curious that you
you've taken the texture across I'm
assuming it's all the way around back um
and finishes where it hits the house at
the edge and around the corners but
that's I think the rest of the changes
that you made in some of the editing
still has some unique characteristics
and and even quirkiness which in a good
way to the house I think this was the
project where I was like I would love
this probably love to sit in the
backyard at a barbecue and just look at
the house and look at all the little
different details so uh it's still there
and I think you it's it's just uh a
little less um busy so I think that's
it's a good move so I'm I'm a supportive
what you've
done Mr H yeah I'll follow up um with
that I I I do appreciate all the effort
that's been made to you know unify and
streamline and still has a lot of that
character so my my only questions are
really about details as usual and I'm
just curious about the design of the
glass on these doors because all of the
rest of your window panes are roughly a
you know a two to three proportion and
you know it's broken up in in that way
even these are consciously set so that
these lines align right here and here
but here you've gone to what I would
call you know um like a a manufacturer's
new arts and crafts design which feels
different to me than the rest of the
house is there any was there any
discussion about putting millions or
mtons on these openings that were more
in keeping with the rest of the windows
unfortunately my drawings that were to
go to the gentleman
who
that the detail you
see so is that the intention okay okay
great and um my last
the um if you look at the plan of the
pool
area the
walls and and Brian maybe you can help
me with this a little bit too
is the
walls in the plan especially at the
outside corners in in the other go back
to the main floor plan what do you want
the main floor plan keep
going there if you can zoom in on the
pool area yeah so these these Corners
I'm assuming this is just a wood
framed yes wall right but the but the
elevations indicate that there is a
column is the is the column just applied
to the outside yes correct okay and then
it let's go back to the elevation then
this this is always a fun detail and it
can be tricky but it can be handled
really gracefully we had a lot of
deception about
this interesting and normally you know a
column normally the the fascia above the
column you know aligns with the outside
of the shaft but see here you're showing
it looks like that's the actual Corner
this line right here that's why you have
three lines together the actual Corner
the center one's the actual Corner yes
and so you have two that are separated
and as these step together you're still
going to have a an
inside miter right when you when those
two capitals meet fine
um so my next yeah so my next question
is is this pier being held back so that
the top winds up being flush with that
wall I wouldn't think so I think you'd
want that cap to wrap a little bit the
miter it's just about the thickness of
material and how you deal with that
corner going so it ends up coming out
like a plus five and a half inches with
the capital coming out so you're going
to lose that corner reveal when you get
to the capital basically it's not going
to be as visible so because the capital
is um set back and you have a a sopit
over it uh normally you know this
condition would have the outside of the
building be you know the outside of the
pier and then you would you would align
the fascia with that outside of Pier but
in this case because it's all tucked
under a solution to to make this all tie
together um and make sense of that
corner is that if you take that 3/4 cap
and whatever this neck is and you
actually take it all the way across it's
set back it's you're still going to have
the column reveal itself very nicely but
you still have to have some kind of bed
molding here where the vertical surface
meets the sofit anyway so why not just
carry that cap set back from the from
this all the way across and then do the
same thing with the neck molding and now
you've unified it you still have the
presentation of the piler and it makes
sense being tucked under the S does that
make sense
Brian
yeah yeah all all sides I think that and
also uh so it does a couple things for
you one is it makes sense of the
capitals and the setback the second is
it fills this uh Gap you know above and
it creates a bed molding that will help
with the movement and the you know the
longevity of the of that detail um so I
I would strongly recommend that you
consider that can you go to the the
front elevation of the pool house itself
the back elevation of the pool
house pool
house yeah so if we zoom in
there this stone is what the the face of
this Stone to this material are these
flush no well it's obvious the stones
probably stands out about up to four
inches okay perfect so the the trim
around the the window is going to be
like a rough composite so it has some
Rust sness to it and that would be only
about three4 of an inch correct and
it'll be and it'll be painted right so
that's good because you carry this piece
across it dies into the side of that
stone this neck molding or this you know
piece here would come and do the same
thing and you don't have to worry about
you know an awkward you know ju position
but it would also make sense out of this
kind of what I would call awkward uh
header piece here it would really tie
that together nicely
um otherwise you yeah and I think you
could work with um Miss bour just to
refine that but otherwise I mean i' I'm
really happy about the the
design
modifications it looks looks
nice no Mr
Hall I wasn't here for part of the
original discussion so I don't know kind
of have an idea what present but I think
um looking at the back of dis house and
the improvements you're doing to it I
think thing think right now the dis
house is a lot of vinyl sighting it's
all pretty monolithic one across I think
all the additional rals and massing and
everything that you added to it is going
to be a def
Improvement you know it's kind of fun to
sit back and look at during barbecue
and looking for an
invitation has to be That's the basis of
our
evaluations but I agree it's all the
details and I'm just seeing a lot of
things on here the trim boards very wise
to me you go this little piece um down
at the bottom of you call that out of
number four and I think that might be a
I think that was stucko because number
four is Mor Mor okay that's morar with
stone so that like Stone L going across
corre um which I think would be probably
pretty nice but is it just isolated into
that little pop out then does it I think
that return from
the
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you want to make sure you're speaking
into the microphone please thank
you just as you can see it's
um you need to stop the microphone
please
M goes all the way around the mortar
yeah and then it goes in the front see
the back side you can see the mortar
goes all the way here yeah that's
natural yeah the man miss the point part
he has to say
anything I actually like that I think it
kind of provides a nice SP to the house
and that in front of the house there's a
lot of a lot of stone on it so bringing
around the
back
out but I do think that as we're just
going
through layers of all there's a lot of
trims wide and flared thinking to that
and Mak sure that's all hitting on the
edge ands the way that it should be so
that so that it works
out
the trim above is like six Ines and then
on the size of six so basically I felt
that I had a continual six inches all
the way around um
but be glad to show
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you
there's your
brick there's your ephas there's your
paint
colors and the windows are
black that and then this is the
stone that is in the mortar pushed at
the bottom to give that base it's not
the same Stone on the M it's like a it's
a riverone River yeah it's a river and
it's you'll see
here
it's same
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okay
okay uh I have nothing to add it
definitely is uh much nicer I think than
the first one so thank you for making
these uh changes for us and I think it's
going to be lovely so uh would you like
us to go ahead and vote then is that
your sorry would you like us to go ahead
and take a vote is that
com the only thing I do
yes okay we will have as they say
sometimes too many artists in the world
but does that mean that we're
neutralizing the line of the above the
capital across and drawing that line
across are we neutralizing the Capital
so that you don't have a capital you
just have a column of a of a
column capital is still articulated just
the capital is still there it becomes
trim at your just becomes trim
underneath your sopit in between the
stone and the so what you're doing is
you're you're you're channeling you're
extending picking the line up it just
says back I thought it was a straight
line I was gonna say then it neutralized
no and the effect is that you wind up
having an articulated
inature you know where where you have
the sopit the fascia and then you have a
bed molding and then you might have
another neck molding with a little
freeze you're doing a simplified version
of that but it's identifiable and it
will really tie everything together
nicely and create a better
S okay thank
you okay I'm gonna have Kathy read the
findings of
fact the findings of fact and decision
of the board for application number ar-
2321 property located at 316 North
Columbia the architecture review board
finds that the room porch and deck
additions are architecturally compatible
with the existing structure and further
moves to approve a certificate of
appropriateness with the following
conditions that the door grids match the
window grids and that the cap and neck
molding
modifications uh happen on the pool
housee Edition further subject to final
review and approval by the design
consultant do you understand the
findings of act yes okay is there a
board member that will make a
motion to
approve second
ster call the rooll Miss ster yes Mr
Scott yes Mr H yes Mr Hall yes Madam
Tony yes thank you very much you are
approved thank
you okay our next application is ARB
23-26 the address is 2711 Brentwood the
applicant is Andrew Rosenthal the owner
is Marley and Rick Snowden the applicant
is seeking architectur review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for the demolition of an
existing structure and designed for a
new
home
Cy will swear you in please state your
name Andrew R do you solemnly swear or
affirm the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth yes I do
thank
you okay um by way of reminder this
application would be for us last month
it is a demolition of an existing home
with a replacement proposal I'm not
going to go into great detail I'll just
point out this because there's quite a
nice presentation so I'll let Andrew
walk through it but um I I just wanted
to kind of highlight some of the issues
that brought us back here um one was uh
we requested that the applicant study
the front entry was kind of tucked away
and hidden and there was a desire to not
necessarily change that but to study
more of a an articulated entrance piece
um I I think what happened as a result
in the new proposal as a really nice um
change um and I think I think well can
speak to his client but I think they
very as well um and there was also some
desire to see some exploration of
materials so you board members had some
concern about quote unquote black brick
but I think you'll see with the examples
that it's not really black brick it has
some tonality to it and um um Andrew can
walk through this packet and touch on
this as well um we also gave
the um just for the audience to know we
gave the board members plenty of
opportunity to tour the home as well I
don't think that many think um there was
Tony um set them up on it I don't know
that anybody else did but there's plenty
of interior pictures as well to
understand kind of the um the the lack
of Maintenance that occurred at the
house and also some just not up to code
places and not very functional for
today's way of living so um as staff I'm
buy with the um demolition of this
structure we still kind of need to vote
on both together the Demolition and the
replacement structure um and you know
I'll just say for the record I've
already said it in my staff report in
last month um I I think it's it's very
appreciated on many fronts I've heard it
from the community members that have
testified or just SP me in general and
board members that the um effort to put
a kind of a moderate mid-century modern
in place of this is is really
appreciated because it still maintains
the fabric of that corner in the me I
will turn it over to you and just let me
know what slide you would like okay
um so again existing house and we kind
of went through Rel that everyone is
back from last
month but anyway you know we sort of
went through the existing house and some
of the limitations about that some of
the challenges with that the desire to
build something that was a little more
contextual uh in support of the urban
fabric I mean that slide maybe we didn't
talk in depth about last month but you
know that sort of highlights the way the
property was marketed was as a
Redevelopment opportunity using the two
Parcels separately so really the vision
was that somebody would want to buy it
and tear down the house and build two
houses so we some of the massing
diagrams you know overlay what the you
know maximum code allowed volumes
Footprints would look like so that for
example would be the mble footprint
prints um and that slides the you know
what is actually
proposed um and again sort of massing
showing how it relates to neighboring
properties looking
East
um keep going and there again you can
sort of see the the you know the
footprints the light blue is the two
footprints that allowable and the darker
blue is the proposed and that's largely
unchanged from last
month and again that's looking South
down
Brentwood again a lot
volumes that's the existing proposed I
think we get
to the elev well maybe there there's a
yeah well there should be a summary sort
of I I have a sheet 83 there a lot of
sheets I don't know what page number
that is actually but I mean so the foot
you know we don't have to look at I
guess but the four sort of big takeaways
we had based on the conversation last
month uh involved what what you what
Miss Boger alluded to the issue about
the front entry and sort of trying to
introduce a more human scale to that and
break it down and not have it maybe be
quite so Monumental maybe not so
symmetrical so that was last month and
that's now as revised um you know the
second issue that came up was we talked
a little bit about the um clear story at
the at the primary bedro on the East End
of the house and you know that that roof
is sloped not flat and the question was
is that a good idea or a bad idea and so
we Revisited that um internally and then
the third thing had to do with the brick
question I think we sort of tried to
bring some more information to
illustrate that and we did do some
additional studies about other brick
options and other material options in
general some of which we reviewed with
uh staff and then fourth question
involved you know there was a discussion
we had about siding Direction and
orientation of that and so those were
the sort of four big takeaways that we
had from last month and
so um you know obviously this is the
after or revised front elevation and so
planwise it's essentially the same the
big difference obviously is you know the
what is that farther west you know the
entry element is now just a one-story
thing so what that did is that lowered
the you know front porch roof down uh
and created about an 8 foot deep front
porch That's undercover and I think we
liked that for a number of reasons um
you know one was just the idea that
we've sort of got this fairly Monumental
and you know interesting back porch and
the the previous design it was a little
redundant and you know so it that was an
added benefit I think the issue about
human scale and human occupancy was a
good call out but I think that was an
added benefit was it felt like oh all of
a sudden feels like now I got two
different options one's very public and
sort of a different scale and the
other's a little grander and private um
and then you know there are little
things at the front porch there's a
build-in planner there's uh uh some
changes to the um windows and so all
that I think we
felt did a lot to change the scale of
front of the house the other thing we
did ultimately one of the sort of
material review changes that we ended up
making was turning all the sing sideways
and I think that just immediately felt
um quieter and uh and and again I think
that idea that you know you sort of can
measure a human body against that you
know that that uh element is nice and so
that felt good to us um it was a little
like a magic trick because it felt like
as soon as we changed the entry you know
going back to the original images we
talked about with the client it was like
oh that's sort of the house that we
started you know they kind of asked for
and so it was an interesting kind of
experiment to do
um so and I think they're very happy
with the changes I think we're very
happy with the changes the the in terms
of the other elevations there's no
primary there are some minor
modifications but fundamentally so
that's you know again before and after
um the materials there's a there's an
image of the brick a couple those so
that's the product used in two locations
here in Columbus and I guess
uh I wanted to be sure to include that
we talked about last time but you and
it's a little hard to see on the screen
but I think you look on your on the iPad
it's pretty clear it's like you're going
to do a watercolor of that brick you
know it'd be the color of the sky it's
got like a magnesium sort of iridescence
about it so it's not you know I
understand the concern about is it going
to be dead black is it going to feel
painted black and you know while it's I
guess if you had to pick a color you'd
say well it's black it's you know it's
very you know it's not um real static
thing and so but we did look at other
options and I think ultimately worked
our way back to feeling great about that
selection um
so
um bedroom you the bedroom roof you know
again we looked at that and I think for
variety of reasons sort of arrived back
at the same place we were with that uh
it had to do sort of with the a little
bit of anage the existing house it had a
little bit to do with what made the most
sense in that room and a little bit it
was a plan driven thing where it felt
like there's this spine of the house and
the the slope roof kind of addressed
that issue of this plan you know spine
in the house and it's not an equal
condition
um at that location so the idea that the
roof would treated as equally and all a
sudden it introduced either a bunch of
more surfaces or a bunch of Windows that
they didn't really want in that space
and so we sort of ended up with that uh
with the that bedroom roof largely like
it
was small change there at the back you
can see there was a brick Pier at that
back back southwest corner of the porch
roof that became a you know just
expression of the steel that's inside it
and eliminated the brick there
um those are the and that's the quick
version um I'm happy to answer questions
is there anyone in the audience that
would like to speak about this
application uh pleas one of you please
come
forward
Cathy Saran hi hi how do you state your
name uh Jeff Walker you saw me swear
from the testimony you're about to give
this evening is the truth I do you U my
name is Jeff Walker I'm at 2725
Brentwood which is just immediately east
of this property um and I'll I'll make
this quick because I think a lot of
things that I was planning on saying
have already been discussed and
considered and so forth but I fully
support this this project um I know
there's a lot of I I assume I'm I'm a
real estate guy but I'm not an architect
by any stretch of imagination so I don't
want to get into an architectural
discussion but I will say from from my
perspective even though I know there's a
lot of uh sentimental appeal to kind of
the mid-century throwback architecture
that's there right now to me there is a
lot about the property that is is not
appealing particularly as you approach
the property from the West moving East
you know it creates kind of a brick
bunker kind of feel it's almost
windowless that's being replaced with a
lot of really cool fenestrations and you
know High windows and light that will
become a very appealing uh uh entrance
to the block as you take you know
traffic along Roosevelt or come in along
brenwood which is I'm sure you all know
was kind of the last block before we
dead ended the end of Bexley so I think
this design will create a much better
Cornerstone uh to to that secondly even
if you thought because you know
obviously with the right dollars
anything can be can be renovated um I I
really was 5050 on whether or not that
the facade could be saved until I saw
the inside of the building I did tour
the building to the inside of the
residence and and really the the inside
of the layout is you can move walls you
know there's a galley kitchen
immediately to the left as you walk in
but it can't really be opened up to
create a sizable area and then
immediately to the West you have the
split levels I mean it's so chopped up
that I think it really becomes a
challenging thing uh to to feasibly uh
change to something that would be
reasonably contemporary much less the
condition of the property and that kind
of goes to the last thing it's been
mentioned before but this property was
marketed as two lots and I think there's
a feasibility argument that a buyer
might be interested in making this two
lots I don't see how that is at all an
improvement uh to the corner to put to
squeeze two small houses in there so we
have a proposal here that's going to be
better than what's there right now it's
going to be a great Cornerstone shown
for it and it's going to preserve one
one residence on these two lots and I I
highly encourage you to vote Yes on this
the fact that you use the term
fenestration tells me you know more
about architecture than you lead on
so thank
you please state your name Eric wagon
Brer sbly where the testimony about to
give this evening is the truth I do
uh my name is Eric wagen brener um I'm
on the northwest corner of Brentwood and
roselt Med immediately catted corner to
this particular property um my wife
Amy's in attendant as well um we've
lived at this at our house for 14 years
um so we've been on Brentwood for period
of time um I'm obviously very familiar
some background Thrive companies a
partner in Thrive companies we are
involved in a large mix use developments
in around Columbus uh we do a lot of
Apartments uh single family homes uh
condos uh in town homes uh so I have
some experience in in real estate in
design um I know Andrew as well I've
never worked with Andrew but I looked at
his stuff and he's a very talented
architect um but as a raise this
particular property um you know I I
think Jeff summed it up pretty well uh I
think you know when you look at the
historical character and the design the
the structure I I really think that it's
kind of been past its time and I think
it's an important time to look at a
Redevelopment of a of a property and you
know when you look at this you guys are
obviously a challenge because I know in
Backle and a lot of these historic areas
you know you have concern about
Demolition and Redevelopment of
properties and I really think I've while
I've never been inside the building I
have walked around I looked at it and I
really in my opinion I don't think
there's a lot of really uh architectural
or historical value here and number two
is what you're looking at replacing it
with and I think in this particular case
uh what they're looking at at at
rebuilding and and redeveloping on the
site I think is a is a really really an
improvement um you know I think I I did
Reach Out initially with with uh Andrew
about some of the scale of the entry and
I think you've done a great job with the
with the roof line and and kind of
bringing down that scale and the entry
uh into the into the property off of
Brentwood so um we're in support of the
project and you know so we hope it
passes and and moves forward so thank
you thank
you is there anyone else in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application okay uh seeing no one will
go to the board is there a board member
that would like to go
first Mr Hall
so when this was sent out earli in the
week and I ped out I
was my first impression wow I think the
moves you made were significant and
certainly took care of a lot of my
concern I think the
big
and the sighting the front sighting
going
horizontal and then scaling down that
front was was significant point of I
think it made just made the whole house
feel a lot and I think you you even some
of the Stu sort of started bring it
around the back of the house a little
bit more to make get a little bit more
presence on on of the building too so I
I you know I don't have any real
comments to say about improve this
improve that other than in the audience
you're you're absolutely right use that
on a lot of building our
projects right now and it it's never the
same color it all depends on where where
the sun is hting at what time the day
and it's only black
and I think that's be nice the owners
are
com thank you Andrew this is a great
package really appreciate it I would
recommend that staff use this as a model
for any project that's going to be
uh a potential Demolition and and new
build and I think that all the
applications should be required to
provide drawings the way that uh Mr
rosenal has put them together no doubt
um it doesn't matter what style that
application is you know what what the
building is going to be but just this is
so professional and it's it's right up
there with what we've been working on
with design guidelines um if I could
take this design and put it into our
design guidelines because I had kind of
a mid-century design in there for the
scale and everything but this is better
I mean of all the Architects that that
can do this kind of work in central Ohio
you're you're one of the best and um you
know the quality of
materials uh the way that you put this
package together I mean this is It's a
dream to review an application like this
um I would just say that um the way you
handle the front entry way is great it
really just brought everything you know
into this scale that I I had commented
on and I think several others had and
some things came out of this that I
hadn't seen before like the dining room
and the block with the um Iron spot it's
a velour brick the way that it relates
to the garage it just reads so much uh
Stronger to me now uh the way that the
step back um at the corner so you go
from the area of siding to the area of
Stucco and then it steps back again that
is right in Frank lloid right you know
uh language um but I like the way that
it addresses the corner by having those
step backs um so those proportions just
really made this lovely I would say it's
better than some of the other
mid-century stuff that's actually dates
from that time so I'm really glad to see
this thank you thank
you Mr
Scott
I agree I think the packet is is
fantastic the the the before and after
where you grade grade out the before is
so helpful as a as a looking at this in
the evening or during lunch to trying to
review these packets oh it's so fast to
be able to see the changes so I really
appreciate that and I totally agree that
this should be a a model of uh of kind
of an exceptional package uh that being
said um really really appreciate the
move at the front door this kind of
horizontality that you brought into the
that area which before was much more
vertical and Grand uh I feel this is
much more successful um and I think even
that simple move of making the siding
horizontal just kind of really plays
into that so uh this is not only a house
that I would love to have a barbecue in
the backyard this will be one where my
kids will be end up on for a walk will
be two blocks ahead of me because I've
stopped and I'm contemplating and I'm
looking and it's one of those houses
that uh for me really is a huge impact
in the neighborhood um it is it it sets
a tone of scale and quality and knowing
your firm and the details that you you
bring to these projects um it is an
exceptional project it's an
award-winning design so that's off it's
very very well thought through thank you
oh one question yes is there access on
the roof of the garage on that planter
for them
to not access their plants not yet but
if they're not watching I will say my
hope there's that I mean there'll be a
way to service that but my hope some of
that yeah that there might be some
interest just once we start framing
stuff to say maybe yeah because I think
that's my only concern is you know
maintenance the durability of those PLS
it looks great and the renderings and
the drawings but I don't see any access
panels or doors out there so they're
gonna have to climb up or somebody is
gonna have to climb up and and service
that uh I worry that that would be
something that uh you know if neglected
would start to look bad or just again as
a form it would be fine if it's not
there's no plants in it I like that
there's plants up there so I think it's
just something that uh it's curiosity of
who's gonna be getting up there to have
to do that
as but thank you it's very well done
nice job thank you Mr drer I just say
thank you for listening to the comments
because as everybody notes it's a great
Improvement and we hate to lose a a
piece of uh architecture That's Unique
but when you get something that's nice
and this great it's hard to say
no thank you so I I'm just going to say
because I did take the time to walk
through the building I I live very close
to this and I would walk by This Old
House and think how cool you know it be
um once I walk through it uh I realized
there this house doesn't even really
have good bones starting with the garage
the garage roof or the garage ceiling is
so low you can't get an SUV in it and so
literally if you were going to try to
redo the structure you would be taking
it down to New Foundations and
everything so um I it helped me to
really understand why you um weren't
really even trying to work with the
existing structure so um I'm glad that I
did it I feel very good about this uh
new project replacing this old building
so okay that being said would you like
to uh put it to a vote yes please okay
um do we have findings
effect findings of act and decision of
the board for application number ar-
23-26 for property located at 2711
brenwood the architecture review board
finds that the demolition of the
existing structure is
approved um with the new single family
dwelling to replace it uh which is found
to be an improvement and architecturally
compatible with the neighborhood the
board further finds uh a certificate of
appropriateness should be granted and
and with with the following addition
approved construction permit should be
obtained prior to the
Demolition and a landscape
plan is subject to review and approval
by the tree and public garden commission
and I have to ask if we need to add that
the floor plate be the same as the
existing homes first floor plate well
that's actually a really good question
because I feel like when I walked by
that house the other day I feel feel
like that floor plate is already raised
a little
bit yeah it is raised more than the
Walker's house which is right next door
what is the elevation what is the
elevation off of grade for your main
floor it matches what's there is is is
it a foot a foot and a half uh I think
it's it's I think it's a good because
there's the front yard has sort of a
little retaining oil condition I think
it's I have the number I think I think
it's 30 some odd inches higher than the
sort of average front yard grade but you
have you have two steps up to a little
Terrace
and then do you walk directly in from
those two steps from what I'm seeing in
the model view it looks like you have
two steps up yes yes so it's just two
steps which is typical for this
neighborhood yes two to
three
yeah so do we have a way of of holding
that so that this ground plate ends up
at the same place that the ground they
can provide that measurement to us on
the site plan yeah and it can be
verified during construction but it
shouldn't be that it matches the
existing house it should be that it's
commensurate with the houses you know
like an average in in
the that's why I'm asking because I
believe it's already higher it is
higher but if it's just two steps up
yeah I mean what won't be higher than
what's there I'm trying to think well
maybe it's because it's a split level
because it seems higher on the corner
where you've got the garage and then and
I do we have more wiggle room just based
on the fact that this is a more of a
horizontal structure not something with
a 1212 pitch roof well I guess I would I
just think it's something that maybe you
just work with the city we just have to
keep our eyes on that right right just
so that we don't
understand yeah and Mr H's Point yeah
there's a limit to how so it be at or
lower than the existing first FL they
work with st yeah we'll submit first for
plate subject to staff review and
approval based on existing are you
comfortable with that bill yeah I mean I
I just think there needs to be
documentation their current drawings
show a 18inch change from finished floor
to
grade yeah marked at at the entry it it
definitely drops the grade changes at
the garage so there's gonna be a yes
gonna be a change in elevation right but
the front entryway is what we're really
cons concerned about right that that's
where you don't want to have huge jump
that's right but he's he's they're
calling out in these drawings for us to
at least point to saying it's
18 so that just needs to be stated
somewhere that that's commensurate with
the entries front entries in in the in
the neighborhood so that
you're is that somewhere that's not in
our design guidelines is it it's very
specific
right no and it's also something really
that only occurs in Dems which we don't
have a lot so well and it's because we
had issues with other applic
it's an anecdotal issue because we had
right well couple right and so and a lot
of it shakes out as right relative to
ridges the result because Kathy and I
struggle on how to you know doe a
process but we don't have a lot so what
we do is we go out and inspect we do an
extra inspection with then you know so
that we don't have another one that has
a threshold like two Fe and we find it
when the footer is being done yes okay
yeah and the drawings clearly as as Pete
said they show that the main floor level
is at 100 which is you know but that
you're only 18 inches below that for
approximate grade at the front yes you
also have stre like that co6 the street
elevation where it shows how this house
sits with the surrounding houses yeah
yeah so you've got three four steps
next doesn't look if this is accurate it
doesn't look it's a baseline for appr
and the other thing that we've asked in
recent applications where there's a demo
and a new build is is the grading uh
remaining as is on site or is it you
know right I mean wasn't there cannot be
any changes to the grade that creates a
drainage issue for a neighbor when we do
run into those they do have to address
that before they get final occup we but
ARB has been asking that you know there
not be any bming up so that the house is
right so the grade is B from average
existing grade the only place that'll
really change much is along the west
side where currently it gets pushed down
to make the door garage work so that' be
but obviously that doesn't affect the
neighbor average existing grade be
maintained I
mean the drawings called out an
elevation yeah there's a reference
there's additional work going to happen
staff needs to inspect
it
for the correct floor plate that in so I
have first floor plate subject to staff
approval to be consistent for the block
yeah and that would well the grade is
all different so I don't know what to
how you would put that language in there
but who's your Builder do you have a
builder yet yeah Matt dorf
okay okay so that's the finding effect
is there anything else then um you
wanted to say m Rose
uh no those are the conditions
um I think I've covered it all okay you
understand the findings effect as they
have been read yes okay is there a board
member that will make a motion uh motion
to approve
Scott call the roll Mr
Hall yes Mr H yes Mr Scott yes Mr offer
yes Madam Tony
yes you are approved thank you all very
much thank you very
much and we have nothing else right um I
would just um like to announce again I
know that chairman Tony already said it
but there will be a workshop 8:30 to 10
on October 17 on Tuesday I know Mr Hall
can not be here
but fitting in awesome um I will send
out a calendar invite which I mistaken
we haven't done yet but I will do it
tonight and I will be sending you
drawings they are just a starting point
um the applicant is well aware that this
is a shet will up your pleas I'll BR
tracing paper it'll be in here I'll
reconfigure the desk if is a public
meeting but it's not there won't be any
testimony so people can watch but it is
a workshop that we offer so no public no
public comments no public comments
workshop with are the drawings available
to public prior to this meeting
okay and if there is any change based on
our advice from our City attorney then
we will do it because we want to make
sure we do
everything to public sees those and has
comments they should contact the city
they will I'm promise you I know I'm
just making sure that's the process is
they contact the city you or the city if
any of you get calls from either the
applicant um
or anybody you know a neighboring
property I would defer them to City
staff
um for just for your own good you
there's PL ample time for comments with
board members at the next ARB or Bap I
wouldn't do that if I was you that would
be I know that would be Catherine our
attorney's advice and it would it's
helpful because when they get direction
off the Record um it's confusing for for
all of us and that's been happening like
if somebody gives them Direction your
personal advice and they go with it it's
it's not productive when we're not in a
in a public you know with all with a
quum so I would just advise that and the
notice is pretty self-explanatory to the
neighbors of what's taking
place okay should we go have a barbecue
thank you we are J let's do
it there's new places I want to
visit