okay
so in fact
i was even wavering and i talked to
julie about this already just to make
this a consent agenda item i don't have
i personally don't have any problems
with this ones but i feel like because
it was
because it's a zoning application it's a
recommendation that we should make sure
that the public has a chance to um you
know
so if you want to go ahead and talk
about it i swear julian please
please raise your right hand
state your names julie bullock
boyfriends do you saw me swear from the
testimony you're about to get this
evening it's the truth thank you thank
you
i'm here to talk about the
architecture and
things and
she's the landscape designer
so
my part of it's actually a pretty small
part of it so so basically it's actually
an open porch that we're adding on to
the side of the house the variance is
because although the house faces dawson
the front door faces dawson
the um it's on the corner of dawson and
dale
the um
the lot was planted to dale
so therefore even though what we would
consider our rear yard is where we're
locating the pool by bexley standards
it's considered a side yard so i
consider it a bit of a technical
variance
we
developed these spaces in conjunction
with each other because we wanted you
know the porch and the pool and all the
landscaping to kind of coordinate
together which is why i submitted those
plans with it just so you can kind of
excuse me see the overall scope of the
project but the details on the porch are
pretty much matching what is on the
existing house
we did an addition to this home a few
years ago um along dale and um
cleaned up some things that have been
done to the house previously that worked
quite as compatible with the
architecture and now we're just kind of
kind of continued consuming and
continuing that process with this new
porch
to the east
you like to go ahead and just present
the landscape as part of it too and then
as we go around
sure
so the homeowner's looking to add
a pool in the backyard
we consider the setbacks off of the side
yard in the pool location
materials will follow when we get into
whenever you guys want them but we're
looking at a concrete paver in a large
pattern with the small gravel compacted
gravel area off of the porch
and they're showing the wide steps to
come down we're doing screening along
the property line to help break it up
from the neighbor's house
and then we're still leaving a fair
amount of lawns so that the kids have a
place to
to run around so
that's it
okay
let's see
do i do mine start
i've actually
suggested this could be a consent agenda
item so i'm i'm confident
i need to choose but so i don't have
anything
left
i concur with that no
okay all right my only issue just
fairness for all applicants uh is there
a
east exterior
drawing to this is it in is it in the
set i did i couldn't locate
so i just don't know what the end of the
porch looks like so did you have that in
there
have you
talked about the jail facing out
yeah i saw it absolutely okay is it a
gable that looks similar to the um
that is the um
that is the
the east elevation facing that he's
facing right yeah it's just the gable
is
yeah so it's similar to the cables that
exists on the yeah
yeah
yeah can you at least pass that round
for us
hey do you have any questions
yeah
um
yes
i'm gonna wait one second until you see
this second drive
can you uh can you walk us through just
another you've already been working the
house
it's beautiful
can you just walk us through the
materials
you're planning starting with was it
concrete
yeah
alternate for papers
i think it's pretty straightforward but
i want to make sure we're all on record
to make sure
so we're basically matching what's on
the house now with the um they're stucco
details there's a heavier fascia board
a 1 by
1
10 i believe
and some vertical boards and stucco
panels and we're doing the simpler um
paneled column there's both brick and
panda columns on the house probably a
painted um smooth gray
party board or plywood panel with one by
wood trim it mimics the front
okay is there anyone who has anything in
addition
oh sorry is there anyone in the audience
that would like to
speak on this project
located at 270 south dawson the board
recommends design be approved by the
board designing and planning subject
designing approval for the open porch
side porch and
proposed swimming pool
and we shouldn't have uh the landscape
plan we have no jurisdiction over the
landscape planning so
that's nice to see the landscape
and do we really
comment on pools
so
do we have the recommended conditions
the staff conditions
okay so we will have recommendations of
the final design review
subject to the design consultant and
might give you to the city thank you
sorry consultant that will be the team
yeah
okay so we just need a motion i'll make
the questions
second
all right mr
yes mr hallman yes mr scott yes mr heyer
yes
chair
yes
thank you for your time
thanks
okay our app our last application is act
21-36 the address is 210 east broad
street the applicant is fred bully the
owner of st charles prepared for the
school the applicant is seeking a review
and recommendation to the board of
zoning and planning for a master plan to
add complication center learning
resource center performing arts center
and additional marketing
okay before i hand it over to brent i'm
gonna give
um
an introduction to what what we're doing
here
um this application is for it's really
going to the board of zoning and
planning first to get approved as a
master plan for saint charles
improvements to their um main campus
they may have as i because there's camps
across the street too so i want to make
sure we're talking about the main campus
on broad as the entrance piece to that
site
um it is coming before you because we
have learned staff in the past that it
is a very good idea to share something
with the architectural review board even
if there's really not a decision for you
to make at this point other than a
general recommendation to move it on to
the board of zoning planning that's not
to say that we don't want feedback we do
and eventually this plan this this
process the buildings will have an
enormous amount to do with this
this board will be reviewing the
individual buildings
right now they're looking for a master
plan
so that they can
sequence things and phase things and
fundraise and then
be back to us with a certainty that what
they're doing
is going to make a hole eventually so
we're looking at things like how program
pieces relate to each other where they
are on the site how they relate to broad
street you will see and you've seen in
the renderings some
implied building design some of it may
very well come to fruition some of it
may be designed
completely different by the time they
get to buildings later in the process so
i want to keep that in mind i don't
think it's unreasonable to make comments
on building on the implication of the
design but please just remember this is
a master plan
um
that sounds great
so you know
very much value in your opinion
this is the first instance
yeah
i would suggest
sorry about it
right foley do you saw him i swear
thank you very much i would say that we
of course would welcome any comments
because we would take that into
consideration as we continue through the
design process with individual buildings
uh my name is brent foley i'm a
principal partner with triad architects
i'm also a proud graduate of saint
charles where i actually started my
architecture career as an intern at
trial architects a long time ago
um
also a resident of besson from southwest
league
moved here two years ago i've become mr
kai i was very happy to hear some of the
things we're talking about
loving the character of this community
as an architect
and embrace this at my community
recently joined the state education
foundation and had to be a part of
bexley
um
with me today i have jim lower principal
from sam charles who i spent some time
in his office when he was being students
at st charleston when i was there uh we
also have with us jim negron who is with
cortland cozy who has been doing
construction
at st charles as long as i've been out
of st charles
and we also have that in paris with us
who is the
civil engineer who has prepared the plan
that you see in front of you
they'll be here answering technical
questions you might have in those
we're doing today is trying to give you
the context of how we got to where we
are
to understand that we are trying to take
a faith-based
school institution that's over 100 years
old that is a big part of the history of
vexing a big part of the community in
bexley trying to figure out how to
celebrate that heritage uh while also be
competitive in the marketplace with
other schools and other communities as
well as prepare the students at st
charles for 24 21st century learning
um so
the components of the project will
include a uh what we're calling a
communication center which is also going
to act as the gymnasium
that will be primarily the primary use
will be the gymnasium uh on that
building uh it will also hold some
events um
there is a uh the event for even the
university of the ministry
there's a university in the ministry of
that there's a lot of catholic events
that happen st charles those types of
things
one of the other the next project that
we would be doing is actually what we're
calling the learning resource center uh
that the antenna doesn't provide new new
and innovative spaces that can provide
new and innovative ways of learning
also performing arts
center
that will i'll describe each project
here in a moment but that will be
basically making sure that we have
facilities uh that are in line with the
quality of the productions that are
being produced at st charles and lastly
there will be upgrades uh to what is
kind of sacred space at citrons which is
the verado area
uh we started this process in 2018 um
started planning this process we also
simultaneously started in 2018
a process that is finally underway which
was a addition for some parking uh that
we needed to do we're actually doing
that part right now
when we came here uh in 2018 we sat this
room with the exactly we understood we
learned at that time that our neighbors
had some concerns about some of the work
we were doing so we've done a lot of
work uh in the last three years to make
sure that we understand what the
neighbors concerns are and that we are
addressing the neighbor's concerns and
in fact
those things that we learned
changed and influenced the design we've
seen in front of you today i'll talk
about that in a minute
just to help illustrate some of the
things we've worked through with the
neighbors uh in the
parking
east side parking condition that was
recently approved that is under
construction right now
uh we isolated all of the storm water
that is going on in that uh parking lot
we're actually taking a new storm line
across the front if you go past saint
charles right now you see big piles of
dirt uh and having our own dedicated
stormline and making sure that none of
the water
on the east side of st charles is going
onto the neighbor's properties at all
it's all being
taken all the creek from there
we also picked up one of the catch
basins
behind one of the neighbors to make sure
that we're helping alleviate some of the
issues in that area we screened all the
lighting that's almost that side of the
property uh to make sure that none of
that light was polluting into their
properties
we're providing
landscape separation which has been
approved by the trade guard commission
to make sure that they
you know that it's a heavy thick
uh landscaping that will both screen
the headlights as well as try to
discourage people from uh going back and
forth between the properties and we also
reduced the size of that parking and
brought the apartment behind the front
of the building which was something that
was part of conservatives at that time
we're happy to say
that that's resulted in a situation
where our relationship with the
neighborhood or the neighbors of the
last few years has really changed um you
know in fact we met with mr white and mr
rosenberger we invited them to view this
before we submitted it
um and they came as representatives of
uh the neighbors there on meadow park
and they indicated at that time that
they support this plane
and the direction we're going so we're
very happy about that history we're very
happy to be in front of you
to walk you through the plan so the main
building you can see broad street is on
the south there the main campus there
says existing school
um
the to the right of the main building is
the chapel where we're building the
parking lot right now so that is the new
drive and access that he's parking lot
there
behind the main building is a circle
that you see his new learning resource
center
that is the location of the existing gym
that's the original gym at st charles if
you've ever been in there there's not a
lot of clearance around the gym it
doesn't mean current safety standards
it's not up to the national federation
high school stand sport standards
so the idea
the emphasis for replacement gym is
about that but we will have that space
there um and so the idea would be to
convert that to the learning resource
center originally uh just to the right
of that circle there's a space there you
see um
kind of with the notch out of it that's
the existing locker room space we were
originally going to build the gym
on top of the baseball diamond uh and
have had it flanked with classrooms
around the perimeter on that east side
obviously our conversation with the
neighbors along the way we determined
putting the building on that side
um was not probably a great idea if we
wanted to be a good neighbor so
where you see the big uh octagonal
building
which is the new convocation center he
moved it to that side and we decided to
try to keep our our baseball facilities
on campus
where that is currently is a big parking
lot so that gives us a huge problem or a
design challenge i should say to figure
out so the only real place we have
at that point then is to move and to
create a parking addition
on the south side uh the southwest side
so that's what's driving a lot of this
you know this is a campus that's full of
a lot of buildings full of a lot of uses
already we're trying to figure out how
to be
uh most uh sensitive to the neighbor's
needs but fit everything on here in a
way that's
uh that works
we also recognize this
was mentioned you know that st charles
is kind of the gateway to besley along
the broad street as you're coming from
downtown so you'll notice rather than
making the
drive of that new parking lot parallel
to broad street we've kind of uh taken
it at an angle the idea is that as you
come in that would open up the cpus
of the building of st charles as a nice
entrance in the vex league
we fully intend to screen that with
landscaping we know that we're going to
have to go through an extensive process
with the trade garden commission
we also have the advantage of the fact
that that parking lot sits at grade
uh quite a bit lower than broad street
uh so we can provide some not only some
bounding but some actual drop in
elevation to make sure that that parking
is screened
and then the last component of the
project is you can see where it says
performing arts center it's that
building there
with the two wings off of it the intent
is actually to take the existing
building
modify it to increase the seating size
and perhaps provide some additional art
type classroom spaces and you can see
there's an addition between them to
finally connect that building to the
existing building which will also allow
us opportunity to provide uh
accessibility to the theater currently
there's a
uh a chair lift that goes up inside the
lobby that's not in the best condition
which probably isn't the best
accessibility if we build that addition
we can uh connect across to the existing
building where there is an elevator and
provide full
uh
handicap accessibility to that part of
the building
so that's it in a nutshell
we'd be happy to answer any questions
again we welcome the feedback and we'll
certainly want that as we consider how
we move forward with the design there
are some example renderings
that are
they are a little swished
that are really just intended to show
you
how the buildings could fit within the
space um
some of them are more than developed
than others
i don't want to commit to an order of
the buildings at this point we're still
working through some of those things but
there is a likely order that we're
working towards
so that's the area around labrada
that we will be creating
the first one you saw was the learning
resource center building
that is the learning resource center
behind the existing school again with
the uh the convocation center which is
with the
tile roof there the piazza space content
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and lastly that's looking back this does
not have the learning sources
but looking back that the right portion
is actually the existing walter commons
which i'm sure you've all attended and
that's the space that's used uh for many
events in bexley
our best education foundation uh
signature events there and i think
i believe the images you got i think uh
karen said ones that were proper so you
could have seen them in proper scale
without them
proper on the website because something
happens in translation
uh welcome any questions uh if i'm slow
to respond i was up with a sick baby
last night until 2 o'clock so i
apologize
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he is here tonight because he's out of
town but we actually thought that was
better anyway just to have you guys give
your presentation he will be doing a
full
report and presentation as an award of
zoning and planning this month
um i would highly encourage all of you
to either
go calm listen to it
or at least listen to it on youtube
providing this doesn't happen again
because it won't be on youtube um
um but i think it's really important
that you know
maybe i'm
i'm erring on the side of caution
because we have unfortunately as you
know have had times when it's gifted
this board went to zombie person came
back here and when the buildings come to
you i want to be sure that you are very
well versed in the planning
discussion jason's report the comments
of the voting board i wanted to be a
very inclusive process so that
we can move it as quickly as we can
please not rush it but you know
not on the back yeah
so
i i will make sure that i send out
emails to all of you and remind you but
you certainly don't have to come here
but you're welcome to six o'clock six
and if i could offer one more thing if
everything lines up the way we're
intending funding budgeting things we're
working on we would intend yet this fall
to be back probably with the first
building if we do get approval of the
mastermind center
it's exciting and um just to give you
kind of like some insight into our staff
discussion that we had at st charles
with all of these
people
that jason really talked a lot about how
the screening
of the parking but more importantly the
landscape on broad street as an
yeah i would state that the neighbors
loud and clear
on the record in this meeting and when
we have met with them
are happy that we're not putting
additional parking on the east side and
there really is no other location and in
fact
we have parking that bzap can't consider
ultimately because it's not the city of
jackson that we've added in columbus
so we're doing everything we can to make
sure
we have as much parking as we can we're
underparked because we existed before
the zoning code so
okay are there board members that
can ask questions or speak
i'd be happy to um
recognizing
the
there's a
fundraising is is key obviously yeah um
and so in that and obviously context
rather than
that
so maybe a couple of thoughts that are
just maybe helpful on that front
part of it and take this issue part of
this this reads of course as an
engineering drawing
it raises a parking drawing
and
there for example their code
requirements about landscaping being
integrated within parking areas so that
it actually has that
so as a matter of a drawing you may find
it more important
to make it a landscape drawing that has
parking within it as opposed to
machine images of trees here and there
on an engineering drawing
and a couple of thoughts on that line
too
one
you might also have a drawing and i
don't know if self or not but you might
have another drawing that
augments this that shows your west
campus
so that there's the totality of your
property shown on at least one drawing
this could be a separate drawing
and in that light too
if one wonders whether the pedestrian
connection
shouldn't be more
announced
as it comes across to not just empty
into a lot in any old place
it seems like there ought to be the
ability to take that walkway and extend
it across
the back side of the performing arts
center in the lobby so that it's a fully
integrated pedestrian movement they
don't have to all of a sudden walk
through the law
and a couple other minor things um
and this is just for future
reference certainly when you're
when you're a school
athletics and recreation and green space
is a program
and so therefore it's not just future
building sites uh that can be consumed
by buildings it's it's because you take
away those program elements for the
students and for and so
uh when you and so the loss of the front
yard is that informal you know there was
always scrimmages out there uh that's
that's certainly a bit of a loss there
but to think that the baseball field
could also kind of disappear
um
without any possible replacement of
where that could go and therefore lose
any athletic portion here other than
walking across the bridge which we need
to make a better connection to uh you
know something i think you want to think
long and hard about as an institution
because once the green space is gone
it's gone to be clear that was something
we had been considering but moving the
building to the west side was in order
right no i guess my point is um
maybe it should have been considered in
the first place because
it's you know again just because it's
green space doesn't mean i'm sitting
there waiting on the building sure
because it's it's a very important part
of
so those are just just comments that
i've had i you know
it's great to have you uh bexley and
uh
hopefully and then the landscape plan i
think is going to be important oh one
other small issue you might also
look at that lower parking in terms of
drive aisles
as to how that parking unloads
because
you know you'll have big events you do
have big events
and
at the bottom aisle they're parallel to
broad
coming through parking on its way out
you know one or two three cars backing
out and then that stop i mean just
something to think about how you're
going to unload cars
and having a distinctive aisle of some
kind and anytime you park directly off
the main driveway
you know a car backing out stops the
whole thing so just something to think
about how your flow works in terms of
true but there's a code requirement for
landscaping and parking lots so you have
to at least show that
next
sure
uh
so as a master plan i think if you were
to ask me where we would
where's the best place to put an
addition in the building i think you got
it
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that parking lot i think was was
kind of a quirky pass-through parking
lot and when there's nobody there people
just kind of drive through the middle
uh so i think this is an improvement uh
in that year when you're adding it into
the building and that's the best spot
for it so i think i think you're right
on the right track then i wouldn't have
any criticism for that i think i
appreciate the efforts with the
community i think the
the efforts that the school has taken to
uh remediate water and manage water is
is exceptional
um you know i see that work drive by
every day that it's uh it's nice to see
it's going in and i will miss the
practice the football practices uh right
there because of the parking but you
know we at big facilities you you have
big parking so
um you know right across the street
there's a big parking lot um
park so
you know i think that needs to be
managed and it sounds like you're going
to be looking at that and i think that
the public message is going to be the
most important thing putting that best
foot forward
landscape plans i agree with
with having that kind of you know
obviously a colorized silver plan gets
you to a point but having a landscape
architect
no offense to comparison
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so i think it's you're on track i think
um
i don't have any any real criticism to
the master plan i think
we could easily go through the squished
hinges and talk about the architecture
but i know that's way premature
i think that the challenge you run into
that is when those are shown publicly
people think that's what you're doing
right so
either you've got to make them even more
watercolor you kind of like abstract or
very limit your your exposure
in that public message because you're
going to get a lot of people that love
and hate the
office tower look of the learnings
resource center versus the traditional
octagon book so you know you've been
there you've done that
i would say control that message and
make sure we're focusing on the things
that need to be focused on until you
come back to present that architecture
you're obviously facing more
challenges not just the public but for
fundraising differences as well of
course
and it's a balancing act and i think
that's the challenge we all go through
so but i think overall looking at it
just on the master plan side
you know obviously there's all sorts of
the engineering aspect of it and water
management and fire control and access
points but i think overall the flow and
traffic uh obviously we want to make
sure there's no backing backing up
issues and clogging of that those
arteries but i think um
it's similar to what it is now so i
think that that does flow and work well
and it's kind of meanders around the
building
i actually appreciate that that's
maintained so
i don't have any other major concerns
for the mastermind i would add that uh
bp ferris has done the studies to make
sure that the fire trucks can't pass
through the muscle transfers
can i see those turning radiuses
hey
thank you
mr ryan
i'm a proud
father of a graduate just graduated and
had a great time at st charles um it's
not always fun getting through there
with your car
but
i found a way to do it get out the back
and get back to work uh just around the
corner here
i didn't have to fight out with the
broad street traffic so that was that
was good
um
the architect of the original buildings
robert krauss is one of my favorites for
ecclesiastical architecture in columbus
and the region
and
i think it'd be really important that
you look at his architecture in more
detail not just saint charles
but saint there's retreat center
um and there's a whole little monster
yeah and there's a whole assortment of
other churches he did including saint
agatha and for arlington
uh which is a phenomenal church by the
way it's just this
mid-century
incredible
building traditional and modern at the
same time it's a great
building he was a master at
joining
traditional forms and meetings with you
know new materials
and st charles is a great example of
that the brickwork is
is incredible
uh the entryways uh with the way that he
did the bricks
is so um traditional and yet very clean
okay
and they have great proportion
and when you drive by on broad street
it's that proportion and it's that shape
of architecture that ecclesiastical
shape of or collegiate shape of
architecture
of course collegiate architecture
originates with
ecclesiastical architecture right oxford
cambridge for monasteries
and so that front courtyard you know has
it has a has a meaning
right you're leaving the world of the
secular
you're going into the world of knowledge
michelangelo
uh in his laurentian library he has you
go up these stairs to the library
because that is a plane of learning
that's above
our mundane
world this is a place of learning it's
not just and it's not just a place of
learning it's a catholic place of
learning
so when i when i drive by and i look at
the campus and i see the chapel which is
this appendage off to this it's a
gorgeous chapel which i know can't fit
all the students in for their masses and
that's a shame but
when i look at the campus unlike the
josephino where i do a lot of work which
has that chapel front center the highest
point
how do you get the message across in
architecture that christ is the center
of this campus
how is how is that reflected in the
organization of the buildings
where's the hierarchy right these are
really important questions
uh for a collegiate
style
campus which is crammed in i understand
on this lot and it's very difficult to
arrange and so
what i guess what i'm saying is that
you have a lot that kind of forces you
to be very pragmatic
you have to be very attentive to the
parking you know the circulation of
traffic and i don't want you to lose
sight of
that overall meaning as a parent when i
drive through there and i drive around
and i i want to be inspired not just by
the front facade and that beautiful
robert j krauss
architecture i want to see it everywhere
i don't want to see buildings that are
just
well we had to build this and it had to
be this big and we wanted to throw in a
couple of traditional details
i think it's important that you
make sure that you incorporate crops as
much as you can
um
the shapes of your buildings i mean i
get i kind of get the convocation center
because of the road and everything but
your educational building
there's nothing more
non-pragmatic than a circle
for architecture it just does not make
sense it's expensive
to do curved glass it's expensive to do
curved curtain walls
i mean the cost of that building could
be cut in half by doing it as a
rectangle or
something else and honestly it's not
the most important building on the site
but you're kind of making it that way by
the expression of modernist architecture
unlike george berrarty's original
edition you know what what is your
the walter commons right
that
to me has
it does pay attention to the cross
building
it's it's i think it's out of scale that
that entryway um where's the where's the
hierarchy you have you have like four
different buildings now that are all
competing
in hierarchy right you've got the
complication center the education center
the walter commons and the original
cupola
of the
beautiful
i'll keep saying that robert j crouse
building
so where is the where is the hierarchy
um
and again i understand uh that you have
spaces you have to work with in terms of
the size how you fit them on the site
but just for inspiration i would look at
places like yale
oxford
the josephina
which is
you know you have what three men going
there this fall i mean
it's incredible
so
uh
and then courtyards courtyards are a
major part of
the atmosphere of
you know i would say a traditional
learning campus
catholic campus it's part of the
identity
and i think that if you were able to
incorporate more of that like i see and
i know that berardi uh you know had that
one like cloister walk that's to the
north of the entry to walter collins and
i see you turning the corner with it but
i i want to see more in your master plan
this is very circulation oriented
courtyards are places their destinations
their outside rooms
right and you have the ability here to
do
some beautiful courtyards ideas of these
outside rooms where students can gather
you know csg has
several courtyards on their campus and
they're crammed in
and
they're they're they're wonderful for
graduations and complications whatever
where people go out and enjoy them
here though this this little park in the
middle of the traffic circulation to me
it's not it's an island and uh i think
you could
by by how you do your pavings and how
you do a formalization of a courtyard
that joins all of these buildings just
an idea
but you could really tie all this
together with
what i would call a fifth building which
would be
some kind of outside space
and again i know you've been dealing
with having circulation of cars and
traffic and fire trucks and all that
but
i want that to go back you know to the
to the origin of what this school is
supposed to be doing it was originally a
pre-seminary
and
the boys that go there love its
traditions they love its history they
love its architecture in the cross
building the other stuff is very
pragmatic
i'd like to see that
character come through more
and the scale of those details is really
important you know kraus designed brick
details down to the smallest little
emblems right in the brickwork
oh my gosh you can spend all day just
looking at how the incorporate even on
the uh
even on the current theater
you know it looks like a plain wall
facing broad street but when you go up
to it there's all kinds of brick work
that's in it i wish it was clean you
know and talk pointed you'd probably see
it even more but
just pay attention to the scale you need
to have that small skill because as a
campus you have you have people walking
around and taking part in the buildings
on the outside
just as much as well maybe not as much
as the inside but you you want them to
engage with the buildings on the outside
and to do that you have to have human
scale
details
so it's not just the big overall shapes
it's how you
modulate that down to the smaller
details
just some
ideas as you move forward but definitely
the boys love the original buildings
they have i've heard of all kinds of
stories about you know the pranks that
have been played in different parts of
the original building
mr laura doesn't know anything about
this
but you know the architecture is is
definitely a part the pictures that you
see of the boys
you know in front of the traditional
details here and there entryways
you know front the front courtyard out
out space and broad street those are
that character you have a chance to
really extend that through i appreciate
those comments in fact i think this view
is important because it's not quite
there yet obviously this is i wash but
you know what the places of the
buildings does is create a sort of
three-sided courtyard that now focuses
on the crowd right and so there is an
opportunity you know if you started to
bring some of the archways and things
around and look at that those types of
things to create and bring that space in
a different way that
no not really okay the grotto and you
know every campus has a grotto and
catholic campuses and it's usually
something that's off to the side
somewhere it's not it's not a main focus
and
maybe that's maybe that would help shift
some of your thinking is if you realize
that that
is not
it's not there's no tradition of it
being the main focus of a campus that
i'm aware of we're building one right
now for the university of saint francis
at fort wayne
and it's you know it faces the main
chapel which is great but it's kind of
off across a little lake and it's it's
not a major focus there is no path that
goes directly
to it i would say your bigger thing here
is how you organize these buildings the
hierarchy of the shapes
you know
do you really need a cupola on top of
your complication center are you
competing with krause's original
um you know bharari has this very large
you know gable entry to walter commons
which
um you know he's already competing in
some ways with the original and so
you're adding another element i i get
the monumentality of the entryway to the
complication center
but
when you come back with more designs on
this
it'd be really nice to see how just
those buildings are organized around
something that can tie them together
because in plan and in these images i
see sort of a
you know a sequence of buildings that
are moving because of the site the way
it's arranged the best place to put
those
but i don't see how
you know this idea of
collegiate or educational
courtyards
and i'm not saying that it has to even
be collinated but maybe it's just paving
that doesn't but there's got to be i
think something that that pulls all
those buildings together
in a in a more visible way
i mean that's that's just my
that's great thank you yeah
joanna can you follow that
so robert j krause has a there was a
book published by his son on his work
and it's there's there's no sbn number
or anything like that i think he did it
like
i don't know online or something yeah
but i have a copy and i'd love to show
it to you so i love it yeah
yeah and and there are a number of other
buildings in central ohio that he did
um
that are not in the book
that i can tell you about every prayer
oh yeah i mean as he talks i i see
that circular building starts for me
since i looked at the image it's the
focal point and i when i hear you say
that it shouldn't be i totally reverted
that
sometimes the strategy for that one
things we've talked about the circular
building if you think about the way the
treatment of the john hancock tower in
boston the way that it is reflected
next to the trinity church and next to
the
uh
the post office
library and that's where
it's an interesting way to apply a
modern application
in which what it does is it actually
reflects the historic however in this
instance it wouldn't actually collect
anything that's actually
right yeah it's not mirroring anything i
mean no offense to uh you know the
walter commons because i think they did
a fairly sensitive you know addition but
you you know st charles being a
traditional campus i just don't see the
place for that
on top of that
the hancock building in boston is is a
really bad example honestly because you
know the history of that building
oh yeah
people were killed
all glass curtain walls
are
very difficult to maintain
they can they can work as a contrast
sometimes but i would you know i would
not recommend it for
just for the maintenance costs you know
brickwork and traditional detailing
especially on this campus is going to
give you many more years of
you know you're going to have 30 years
between you know maintenance on some of
these if you do a nice job with the
brickwork and
less glass
a complication center do you really need
a lot of glass now the education center
you know if it's rectangular or square
or whatever the shape you know
the amount of glass
should be lessened because i think
you're going to
you're just going to get better years
out of it and it's probably going to be
aesthetically more pleasing when people
see a campus like yale or oxford
they might see different styles of
buildings i mean talking about the core
campus i'm not talking about the
libraries and
the sort of science buildings that
you'll see on those campuses that tend
to be modern and sort of iconic
but the core campus is a series of
buildings that are that all relate to
each other they might have stylistic
differences a little bit but they
respond with proportion it's kind of
like vexilar they respond with you know
a proportion of
windows to to massing of the walls the
heights
you know there are certain places where
you create hierarchy with cupolas or
dormers or whatever it is
it this i mean this campus could become
you know the sort of
educational version of what bexley is
which is it's unified but it's diverse
and yet there's a respect for
you know those elements that are
historic
and yet we can do things that are more
contemporary here and there but they
circles i mean quite frankly
uh can't be laid out for educational
spaces there's no good way to subdivide
circles to create educational spaces
very very hard and columbus has a bad
history with circular buildings
right if you know anything about if
you're over the christopher hotel
downtown you know
our famous hospital over here too which
yeah which
doesn't work because no nurse can see
down a home because the hall is always
curving so you can't tell what room
somebody's needed i mean it's just
functionally a disaster
so
it it may look like it's an interesting
form but it's a very difficult one to
ever make sense out of that then while i
think getting this grand tutorial on
educational mastermind
but the other thing that's always
interesting to do
is to
abstract out
the outdoor pedestrian connections the
system the walkway system
and then just and then the main interior
system how it works
and to see the relationship between the
two and whether there's a coherent
system there
because sometimes what happens when
uh when institutions are on their third
or fourth or fifth or sixth edition
uh a lack of
sensitivity to the hierarchy of the
pedestrian space inside means something
is really off the path
and it makes it very very difficult to
have
you know a really clear functional
campus there's just a lot that goes into
a master plan educational master plan so
appreciate the start here but there's
there's you know depending how far you
all want
what you need to do for you uh but those
are just things for someone who's been
involved in this doing this for 40 years
become pretty important so you don't
you always want that next edition to not
only solve its programmatic drivers
but also help unlock some other problem
and solve some problem but certainly not
to add to it and complicate further
complicate the campus
it's very exciting
and i know that i don't i didn't have a
son that went there but i i did hear
from his friends that
these are the things that you need that
you you really needed the educational
centers at the the learning centers and
all that
um
so great that's great i do have a
question though is the soccer field is
that already gone or is it
going it'll stick it'll still it'll set
it up so the soccer football field yeah
yeah it stays
awesome
yeah the big emphasis for us is that
that's as we get the massive climbing
group of these athletes we'll be getting
our
experiences and all those types of
things that
then move forward
when you
you know start finalizing some of your
reviews i i would
recommend that you stick with these and
these are beautiful hand drawings
and they give a lot of characters if you
go to computer
and you try to render it i'm sorry
but it's just not going to give the kid
the character so
like when you
when when some of these buildings start
coming back to us it's just
they really are helpful at showing
character without getting into us
focusing on
something that the computer didn't
render right you know what i mean and
you have that talent like like the
colors of the root shingles and the
brick
so
you know you obviously have the talent
to
express what those materials those
colors and the feel is here so i would
continue that
thank you thank you
thank you for also we can't have an
official meeting but we can share
thank you guys for your time
for other business um the only thing i
want to say is we have not had a
little retreat slash meeting for a while
so we would like to get something on the
calendar
yeah we're looking to do it
really quickly right after uh labor day
okay so
great thank you thank you thank you so
much
i agree
and that
that meeting will be
what are we talking about so um
um i think we want to follow up on the
stuff the work that bill has done um so
that we can start to use that
information as we do our evaluations and
stuff so i would like to propose that we
have an hour and a half
yeah yeah that's great we haven't had
one in a long time about two hours yeah
well that's up to you guys this is my
day job i mean if we start at 8 30 we're
done at 10
all right we're out good
all right