your mayor's
thank you
welcome all uh to the
architectural review board meeting for
bexley uh the august 12th of 2021
um can we call the roll sure mr scott
here mr hi
here mr howard here
chairperson johnny here
um okay so uh let's do public comments
next so this is the opportunity for any
person to provide comments to the board
on an item that is not on the board's
agenda uh for tonight any comments
relating to an item that is on the
agenda
can be made by someone with standing and
we will do it during that um particular
project that comes before us so is there
any person that wants to speak to the
board on anything that's not on the
agenda tonight
okay seeing none
um let's do approval of the meeting
minutes from last month
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you want to call the roll oh
mr scott yes
yes
okay the first item then on our agenda
is to
go to our consent agenda
items which we have two
um cases before the board that are gonna
be um just on our consent agenda
and i will read yes um
i'll go ahead and start reading the
first one so the first one on the
consent agenda
is arb
21-55 the address is 699 vernon the
applicant is eric maxwell
the owner is micah and jennifer fenning
the request is the applicant is
requesting architectural review an
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a second story
addition over an existing one-story
structure to the rear of the property
the raised wood deck will also be
replaced with a new concrete patio and
deck as part of this project
okay that's the first one the second one
is application arb 21-57
the address is 85 south cassidy the
applicant is amy lauerhouse the owner is
laura bowen
the request is for the applicant is
requesting architectural review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a two-story addition
to the rear of the primary structure
these have been reviewed by the board
and determined to be appropriate as is
so do i have someone that can should be
asked if there's anything oh is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak on
either one of those projects
and i would just clarify for them sorry
i would just clarify for the record that
any board member who had a small
suggestion
or condition i have relayed to the
applicants and they're good with it
move for approval
no call the roll mr heyer yes mr scott
yes mr hellman yes strasser yes madam
chair
yes
okay so we then go to old business
so the first application under old
business is arb 21-52
the address is 692 chelsea
the applicant is angel subziac
the owner is daniel and angel subziac
the applicant is seeking architectural
review and a certificate of
appropriateness for front porch edition
i'll let staff give us some background
on this okay this application was before
the board last month
um in my staff report i have kind of
listed the comments
um that the that both this
board made
and the applicant agreed to change
um you will notice that the new drawings
that are in this packet this month which
i'll pull up
really are not much different there's
some notations that are different and
i'll let the applicants speak to those
but um it it appears to me and i'd like
the applicant to speak to it that the
agreement to move the porch in
six inches or so um is not going to
happen on this i mean the posts are in a
little bit but but the um the metal roof
is going to stay flush with the upstairs
with the with the wall with the exterior
wall uh it looks like there's a little
bit of maybe corner board that might
stick out further um
this is what the applicant decided to
come back and ask for they did remove
kind of the boxed out columns and
simplified them like the board asked
they had agreed to move in the side of
the porch
as the roof
clearly needed to be redone anyway and
it wasn't much to take it down and put
it back in
in a different shape um but they would
like to ask to just do it the way these
drawings represent i think the applicant
should come up and probably get sworn in
and talk and talk about that decision um
other than that i think they did what
was asked which is to put a um a deck so
it didn't just step down three steps so
there is no rail needed because it's
just one step down
if you want to come on up kathy can
swear you in
please state your name and raise your
right hand and i need to get you a
microphone i'm sorry
all right
please state your name angel
do you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you
okay can you just give a description of
what you changed from last month okay um
so one was like taking up the boxes at
the top and the bottom of the column
like a little bit of wrapping
um and then there were um i think like
two ricers or um
two threads so it was like total of
three so i i was just confused i thought
it was two steps but i guess it was
two steps and the base of the deck so
that made it like three so i
had that change to just one step
um
and then um just clearly noted that
the
the columns would be wrapped in
uh wood on all four sides
and um
and and the beam um
the horizontal beam would also be
wrapped on wrap so that doesn't look
like a lvl
so a couple questions i had to that
point is that
um were you gonna are the columns gonna
be circular like they are in the plan
are they gonna be
um square like they are no
the columns are
um
rectangular it's a four by six right now
but it'll be made square eventually like
when the wrapping is done so this
plan that i'm having on the screen right
now is not correct
i think it's just um
like the he's just
like
it just talks about the sonar tube
that's like under the concrete
okay
okay let's go down p p do you want to
start with questions can i just clarify
one more thing too i'm sorry because i
don't want it to confuse anybody i also
noticed in the new packet you
forgot to remove the back porch drawing
so i just want to clarify that's a
condition that that is not part of this
application yeah it i mean from talking
to him it sounded like he had done the
drawings all together on 11 by 17.
so when i have to take it like to the
next step for the building permit i'll
work and make sure like they are not
okay
there appears to be a second canopy
plan
in the submittal again is that also part
of this review well that that's what she
um
i was talk talking about
so that is not
so it's like the first page and then on
the second page it's section a so that's
what we're looking at for so
it's confusing because the original
application was supposed to be for the
front porch and the rear porch so
um we just need to make sure that that's
in the findings and facts
and conclusions of law that we on page
two that page two
page two the lower half of page two
and then also on page three this is no
this is the back porch right it needs to
be taken off oh yeah yeah okay
um
thank you for letting me go first i'm
sorry
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um
is the the intense of the wrapped
on the columns to be painted
with the wood wrap so you you have a
four by six wood column and then a three
quarter inch wood wrap
is the intent the wrap is going to be
painted yeah what color do you know
white white because the the siding is
gray and the trim is white okay
uh i appreciate the the
taking the columns to a more simple
shape and removing the kind of
ornamentation that's probably more
appropriate for the
this style of the existing house
um
i think this this this is work
in really how it's finished in details
and i think the drawings
though they're starting to imply what
that will be i think are still a little
um vague and it's the final details and
i think i think staff is more than
capable of working with you on
what those details should be at the
softfit and
um even the base around the front the
front porch um
so i think i'm confident in in that so i
don't think i have many other i would
like to see this pulled in further but i
understand the
complexities of where you're at now but
meaning the roof being a little bit off
the sides in the drawing is a bit which
is nice it's just not as nice as the
previous version which was further in
uh but other than that i don't have any
further comment
uh i have no nothing to add other than
obviously the condition that whatever we
approve has the drawing that matches
what we approve
bill
yeah i mean the elevation i think
uh
works to what we what we were asking
however the the
section through the
porch the column face the finished
column or pier face
is supposed to align with the face of
the beam
and right now it's shown
smaller
so
when you get to the top of your
pier
that should be run smooth into
there shouldn't be that little overhang
that's one of the things we asked for
so you can see there how everything's
set in
um but the pier should be the same
depth
so when you finish it out just make sure
that that is the case i'm curious why
they went with a 4x6 for structure
instead of a 4x4 this is a small porch
i would
you know talk to your designer about
just doing a fork i don't know why you
wouldn't just do a 4x4 and that's much
easier to wrap
um because otherwise you have to put
furring in there
to get it to be square
but that that's
and it'll look clean which is
appropriate for your house you know
clean details
flush faces
um i do have a question about the
composite material
what color is that material um i think
the brand is trex and the color is
saddle oak so it's like a darker
brown it's a brown
and the composite skirt
um would that be white
i think i have not just well the columns
would be white
i don't know i just don't know about the
dust like the dirt aspect like how how
it would collect or like show dirt
because it would be right next to soil
right so i'll have to
um when i talked with the continent
and i'm not really concerned about that
i just was curious because it doesn't
cause any colors yeah for this
um those are my only comments i would
make it a condition that the as we had
asked before that the
the column that appears
the square and the base is aligned with
the base beam above
and the ceiling is vinyl soffit what
does that mean
is this uh like a
a vinyl
and groove look or something
i think that's important too because
this
this ceiling
is pretty big
it'd be nice to know what that looks
like
i don't know if i've could you tell me a
vinyl soft but i think that was just on
the
outside like that uh ends of the porch
and then it would be like a there would
be like a bead board pattern on the roof
so you cannot see any um
see this final software and then it's
pointing to the whole ceiling
so this is like a bead board it's a
vinyl b board
okay
i've i've never seen a vinyl bead board
but that's great
staff can all that out i just have that
one condition
one or two
two yeah the square columns are square
computers and the alignment of the bases
with the uh
a preference would be wood
ceiling on the porch
would be my preference but not like
windy short would be born it'll be
totally protected on there it'll last
for unless it doesn't leak from above
it'll last forever but that's a
preference than a
condition
i just had um uh two
uh
notes one was to i thought that the
columns should be square rather than
rectangular in shape but that's already
been brought up i also i don't know if
i'm missing something when i read these
drawings but i don't totally understand
what you're doing on the side
of that roof area
so what's going there
so like right there
the smaller triang
triangle like there would be like siding
that goes
so it's so it doesn't look um
like like a triangle you're putting like
a horizontal vinyl society yeah and this
is yeah the same the same that's on the
house and then it would be trimmed and
like white okay so normally you would
submit a drawing of what that looks like
because that may be successful and maybe
could be horrible okay so um again i
think that's one of the details you need
to work out with
um staff karen can help you make sure
that that looks good but okay again that
should have been in the drawing so okay
is the beam sorry is the beam actually
returning back to the to the house or is
it just in the front and then because
it's not
uh this is like the side view so it's
like isn't there a beam that comes back
here
i think eventually when the ceiling is
like i mean right now it's just like
angled
like you i i can see the angle but
eventually it would it wouldn't look
like that right you see this is the
ceiling
i think you see it isn't there a beam
that goes not yet but when it's finished
yes because the drawing doesn't indicate
that it's a drawing and there isn't one
in real life
that that that being should turn three
sides
that should be a condition too
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return back to the house being detailed
returned back to the house
it's just gonna be clean for you
your designer your builder is gonna
appreciate that
that all these things are getting worked
out for you
with staff because those that will make
the laying in of the ceiling and
deciding much easier
so you have quite a few details that you
need to work out with karen um
do we want to put any of that into the
findings in fact i think we should i've
made notes okay with karen's first
condition
uh one other uh question the finish of
the wood
what is the wood material for your
for your peers um they said it was what
called
polonia um said it's easier to paint
so it'll be smooth yeah
just want to verify that pauline is not
it's not cheap
but the material should be smooth
sometimes we see cedar but it and it'll
come
and we ask for it to be smooth and clear
which means there's no knots in it
um
and sometimes they
forget that and they look really rough
so i'm just curious about that
as long as it's smooth and painted
it'll go with your trim better obviously
yeah
you have a board member that would like
to make a motion
is there anyone in the audience that
would like to speak on this application
okay seeing no one can we hear the
findings in fact the findings the fact
and decision of the board for
application number
arb-21-52 for property located at 692
chelsea the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued noting that the
front porch edition is architecture
compatible
with the following modifications
uh the column details be provided in a
drawing
such as color shape
and
square piers
that align with the face beam
and the beam detail returned back to the
house
the applicator removed the final page
from the packet as
the drawing represents the back porch
which is not a part of the application
and that section a on the lower half of
page 2
is what
is approved as part of this
application
the final design is to be reviewed and
approved by the city's design consultant
so do you understand the findings effect
okay
is there a board member that would like
to i move for um approval of the
application um based on the findings of
fact uh and to obviously return to staff
with all of the stated details to be
uh resolved
all second
kathy would call the roll please
uh mr heyer yes mr scott yes mr hellman
yes
estrasser
madam chair
yes
okay you've been approved
okay the next application under old
business is arb
21-54 the address is 407 northview
the applicant is ji liu the owner is
jilu
the applicant is seeking architectural
review and a certificate of
appropriateness to demolish an existing
structure and replace it with a new
single family home
can we get a update on this project sure
um
this application was before the board
last month it's a demolition of an
existing home
that i think the board generally agreed
that it's in pretty bad shape but we did
request some additional documentation
from a um
you know architect or historical
preservationist to kind of
confirm
those those thoughts and amy lauerhouse
who is a
um architect in the city was asked to do
a report and it's been included i think
she did a really great job so i don't
have any questions but you know the
applicant is here and i think their
architect
will represent this case um this month
to answer any of those questions about
that but let me finish going through
uh all the new documentation there is
now included a full landscape plan
um
this is the
we asked for neighboring homes to be
compared to to have a drawing with
neighboring homes compared in terms of
height floor plates
and this is kind of a mixture of
the drawing of it it doesn't have um you
know the grades truly done although i
think it is pretty flat in that area but
it does really show the relative heights
the relative floor plates the different
styles that are on that street so i
think that in combination
with
some of the
um oh look they're not stretched out now
i go figure
thank you pete for helping me with that
but um last month they were very
stretched out and
when i downloaded them but that in
combination with some of these
renderings i think gives us a true a
really good idea of what it will look
like i'm just flipping through
um the documentation to make sure that
i've covered everything
in the staff report which i can also
pull up you'll see that i have done
a quick
comparison
of the front elevation
which is something that the board was
not real happy with its massing and it's
kind of
roof exposure so
this is just a kind of a
a quick
side-by-side
cut and paste so that you can see the
changes that were made
one of the biggest issues that the board
had with the home was the
hip roof not really being consistent
with the choice
of uh kind of more of a
craftsman-style
home the columns not really being that
consistent with it that's all been
addressed the the architect is here that
he can speak to it and he will speak to
it the porch has been simplified the
roof has been i think lowered slightly i
don't i can't read the measurements on
here but it's now a gabled roof
um
the porch is simplified with a standing
seam metal all the way across the
columns have been
uh redesigned to more of a craftsman the
only thing that i would probably make a
comment on in terms of the stylistic
choices
um i do think that it would be
really nice if the back porch which
while i'm speaking it's hard to pull up
all these pictures at the same time but
the back porch has columns that are
that don't match the they kind of are in
the same in keeping with the same
original
um proposal they're not in the craftsman
style would be great if there could be a
way to
match the columns better to the front
um
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i think that's all the the difference
that i can think of to point out but i i
think that it would be good just
swearing dave um
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if he's here yes he's here the architect
to to give more of a rundown on dave
johnson on the changes that they've okay
is the applicant present
yes
so you're in respect
to karen's comments um
some of the elevations were for the old
elevations but
in addition um the back reflects more of
a four-sided architecture added some
windows some of the materials
the roof is essentially about
three and a half feet lower than the
the design that was presented last month
and i think i think the gable roof is
more in tune with the craftsman style
and
mr scott's comments on the porch being
complicated try to simplify that and
make it more of a
typical craftsman roof design and
detailing
i see no problem doing similar columns
on the back porch
it would be fine i i get i did kind of a
little garden
type column
paired with a little bit of a lattice
look in the middle
those easily could go back to the same a
single
craftsman column there too
some of those shake accents were added
to the front and rear to kind of give it
more of a four-sided architecture
the roof was dropped down i was able to
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almost make it look like the house
was added over time at an existing roof
then it was added onto the back kind of
a big shed dormer effect
and because of that i
between the sides i changed the um
we went from shake shingles to the to
the siding to kind of give that
um
that kind of story a little bit of you
know weight to it
being being different materials and look
like it was added on over time
but now it's more of a some of the
detailing everything it's just more of a
craftsman home that has more of a time
timeless feel
built more like
early 1900s 20th century 20s
it gives that
kind of a historical precedent that fits
in with the
context of bexley so i'm taking some of
those critiques and criticisms from last
month and
kind of applying those
i went from stone to a brick
the renderings show a darker brick i
think we've brought some samples of a
lighter brick
um
i think that's more
i wanted a little bit of contrast but
it's up i think that's up to the
homeowner with their pro preferences
there's brick
on the street but there's it's more of a
red brick more of a colonial georgian
brick
which i think would be not appropriate a
red brick wouldn't be appropriate
real red brick wouldn't be appropriate
for the style of the house
anything else
no i think
if you have any questions
okay is there a board member that wants
to go first instead of me putting you on
the spot
well i never hesitate um
i think it's a vast improvement
simplification
from the previous and in that respect i
think is more cohesive as a as a as a
design
uh really the only question i have is on
the uh
the informal dining space in the gable
roof
as it meets the porch roof the porch
roof extends beyond that gable
uh and i just don't know how that works
from a detail standpoint
um which which seat are you looking at
the
rear
elevation uh you can see it on the first
floor
uh plan
the yeah the roof extends a little
beyond right and and just how that end
gable dies into the porch roof on how
that detail works yeah i
think in hindsight that probably bring
that informal dining out a foot or two
so that it's more of a cleaner cleaner
connection
because i think it'll be tough to
construct yeah
so that's the only comments i have
that's it
yeah please i just want to thank you for
doing a great job on addressing the
demolition requirements the information
that was provided
i'm not sure how that
plays with the rest of the
plan for the the design
uh
i'll defer to the
room yeah i i could probably do a little
probably a rectangular more of a
craftsman
you know trimmed
out head detail and stuff there and live
with around the oval
that's all i want to do
mr haier
are you ready to go next
yeah i'm ready
so i really appreciate all the drawings
and the effort
uh
first off i do have a few criticisms
that i'd like to
put out there for discussion
um
i did go and measure
the house to the north you know up to
the first step and
i got a different dimension than what
you have i i got um 18 inches
and your comparison says it's two foot
four
um
and so what i'm
there's two questions having to do with
this there's only three steps up going
to the entry of that house
and then i measured all the bricks going
up to the eave and the total height on
the south side is actually 20 foot seven
and a half from grade to the eve
on on that house okay so that's 20 foot
seven
and i'm glad that you've aligned this
but it's this height that to me is not
believable i think this is much less
than 34 feet
so what i'm
what i'm asking is that you know
if we if you were to make an adjustment
on this house to try to bring it down to
you know the 30 feet
or whatever that this house really is
there are a couple things that i would
suggest one is
can you bring the floor plate down to be
like 20 inches instead of 1 foot 10
you know to help lower the house by
pulling the first floor down a little
bit more i don't see any issue with that
okay and then um the other thing is you
know if we were to you know sort of if
you wanted to keep the same rich height
in relation to the house
i know you love this gable and i i like
it too but if you were to minimize by
putting that uh you know the
little hip
back on here and here it would diminish
the visible
uh height of the ridge from you know
three dimensions now i'm not saying that
that is
the right thing to do because this is a
beautiful design it really is but i
think it needs to we need to visually
get this more in in line with the
neighboring house from my from what i
was measuring
and the other question i had in regard
to that was
for the record is the grading of this
house
going to remain as is or is there an
intent to
raise the grade for any reason for
drainage or for
you know drives or anything because what
i'm seeing here
is this the grade that's existing or is
is there going to be any great changes
and the reason why i asked that is
because of other projects we've had come
before us where the grade was very much
changed from what was presented in the
drawings
i think the intent was to keep it the
same
and would you consider having the floor
plate the first floor plate be more in
line with the neighbor to the north by
lowering it
i think you could probably lower it and
eliminate the one seven inch step in the
front
bring it down a little bit so you step
from your walk right to your porch and
then obviously you have a six inch step
up to your foot plate
because this house has seven seven and
four
so it has it has and then and i'm not
saying that four inches the right you
can do it any way you want but a lot of
the houses in bexley have like a stone
step
and then a brick
pier with pylons or something and those
are bigger steps in fact the house
across the street from that has like an
eight inch
uh
you know like pad and then they have
like a six inch step up into the house
which is what 14 inches but
this is your neighbor and this does
slope down here a little bit do we have
two different grades
where these elevations are measured from
well there
there is this height
on the north side of the house but it
does slope down
not probably a foot foot and a half over
here so it's not a big difference
honestly i don't think that this drawing
is inaccurate you know based on the
amount of great change because i i've
heard a lot of rumors about great
flooding issues in this area so i do
know that there is a lower grade i mean
to the back of this lock how far forward
that that comes out i'm not sure but
typically what's presented should be
from an existing grade
right but but but that's
so
what's measured is
existing on this house this is
proposed
and we're assuming that this grade here
is the
grade that is actually out there and not
a
new grade that might be up higher than
what's there
can we swear in the applicant he wants
to
yes i do
the council
common the great between the
he drawing and the next door break
the next door great way higher than the
the new draw
the great
because i've been working the
landscaping in there
i can see there's
much higher at the front
uh
because the grade goes right into the
side of the house but then at the front
it goes up but from
their house the break you can see it's a
slope go that way and then
he's on the one a lot lower
so when you see the
the grid almost same no the break one we
more higher
because i've been working there over a
month cup trees everything i look at the
their house
they're great much higher than the
currently drawn okay that's what i wanna
so thank you yeah no i appreciate that
okay
these uh these things are we're very
sensitive to these things because of
other projects we've seen where we just
want to verify for the record
that what is going to be built is going
to have this kind of relationship
and if you're saying that the house is
actually going to sit lower
than the house to the north
is that the case do you think that your
house is going to sit lower than the
house to the north
you want him to draw a
little lower but i think that you want
to compare with it
you want to make you don't look the
ground you want to look at the pot
even
that's
my opinion well here's here's the
compromise that i'm that i'm asking for
is that
the number of steps going up into the
house
be
similar to what's at the neighbor only
because i think this skirt is high and
we can actually reduce this height more
by doing that i i'm not convinced that
this is 34 from this grade okay from my
measurements this house is more like 28.
okay okay
so if this is 28
and this is 33 4 that's a difference of
what five feet four inches that's five
foot four inches taller
than your neighbor
if you say this grade is lower
here if that's all then that helps but i
don't think it helps enough
you know keep in mind you do have a
70-foot
actually a lot next to it
yeah i know i know i know and and i
understand that i'm just looking for a
way for the board for for the board to
you know make clear that
you know this house is being designed as
uh for the neighborhood as best we can
and that you know if we can do three
steps up that are equal at six inches or
whatever um
then i would be happy with that
almost also the the skirt that goes
around
um
it's just a suggestion but
why not have the skirt aligned with the
skirt the wood skirt that's wrapping
and have it then it would also align
with the
the first floor itself you know the step
to the first floor bring it down yeah
i know you uh you
you
work this out but i just think having
that band be the same height and lining
aligning with the first floor would be a
beautiful
completion to this design
but i would ask that the first floor
height be
reduced to three steps
and then um i i mean i like the gables
on the sides i i would think that that
would be okay i just
i want to i just want to make sure that
we're covering these comparisons
properly
with the
houses the floor plate
so you're looking neighboring
no
no because his floor plate next door is
going to be higher based on the grade we
know that
but
the overall height here
is 33 foot four from grade
and
he's saying that this is 34 feet from
grade but i i measured and this is this
is more like 28.
so with this house moving down because
of grade existing grade and you know the
floor plate moving down
from 110 to 16 you're just helping to
you know set it more i think in keeping
with the neighborhood and i hate to go
on about this really i do but because
we've seen other projects that uh
you know
the grade was adjusted
the first floor was bumped one or two
steps higher than what was drawn
originally we just wanted for the record
make sure that we're on the same page
okay
and if i might add to that from a staff
standpoint
aren't we going to require
a survey mark as to the
construction elevation
otherwise if we don't we're going to run
down you know because these are
we've run into this issue before as has
been well stated um and it's tough to
correct when it's uh
after the fact because you can't take
the tip of the roof off so
it's it's a beautiful design i really
appreciate all the effort you put into
this thank you
uh mr scott
uh i would agree with that i think uh i
think this is a great improvement and i
appreciate the effort
and incorporating our comments i just
have a couple
i think they're detailed comments um
just to clarify as you move forward
just related to make sure i understand
it and that the staff understands it as
they go through and maybe finalize the
details
uh in your cad drawings you your rear
elevation shows uh of that the garage
wall a curved connection between your
eve and your vertical wall by the
bracket but your front elevation shows
it as a 90 90 degree
your retina also shows it as a 90 degree
i'm assuming you want the 90 and not the
curve yeah it's just something that they
get updated okay just want to make sure
that's
clear there
the
the bracket condition on your left of
your front uh
porch on that small shed roof
um can you clarify it looks like that
bracket the larger bracket there's two
halves and a full bracket there the
larger bracket kind of passes and is is
fully independent of the
the wall next to it
can you go to the rendering sure
i think i i think that that detail just
construction-wise and long-term
maintenance-wise might be a problem
i don't have a problem with it uh if you
scroll down a couple more
one more i think
so it would be right there that
bracket's kind of floating out
supporting that and i think that's just
kind of a
i think that detail needs a little bit
more of look a little love
uh how that roof is coming across i
think that could be simplified without
the bracket sure i think you could just
have the shed roof be the shed roof and
finish that and unless your two little
brackets there kind of are nice
flanking the window but that larger
bracket seems to be a little a little
extra
i'm also in support of maybe another
option on the window i think that starts
to lean towards more of a a
main kind of a seaside look and i think
you're you want more craftsman uh for
the period of
the area that we're building
um
and then i just had a question on your
opened end front porch can you scroll
back up or no just scroll over
so the intent of course is the entire
front porch is open on the sides that's
correct
i think that's that's an interesting
detail it's not common to the area but
kind of has a modern twist on what
you're doing so i like it
uh i think there's you're gonna have
bird issues so you'll be cleaning out a
lot of nests in your front porch
but i think overall i think that the
details
we just want to make sure the brackets
are consistent throughout the house and
the details of the eaves and the your
shed roofs are all kind of consistent
through i'm assuming you know we have a
lot of different media here and i
appreciate the efforts of the 3d and the
cad and all the clarity i think that's
that's great to see
so i think as you finish this make sure
there's that consistency between the
details of the house and that'll really
pull this together and tighten it up so
thank you very much okay
okay uh that that leaves just me um i
also agree with that oval window i
to me it doesn't fit the rest of the
house but i think um you've you've done
mass improvements on it i really like it
now
and then i just um wanted to make sure
that at some point material samples were
going to be submitted
sometimes for a demolition we ask for
those to be part of this meeting
but
i have i'm not i don't have a problem if
you want to just do it with karen just
just looking for quality of materials
and stuff
one one last thing we haven't talked
about uh and i'm sure that can be worked
out uh it's a guttering plan uh where
where you'll pick up your gutters and
the downspouts and how that integrates
itself into the design it's complex roof
so you'll have some issues with that i'm
a big stickler where downspouts are so
we'll get that one
okay and that could be something worked
out worked out with staff yeah do you do
you plan to use um
half round cutters because for the
craftsman style with the
the eaves that are angled back you know
it's probably going to be your better
option yes please i want to use
are you being serious i'm serious okay
good i did have one question you have um
i think it's a rendering versus final
cad drawings what is the garage door
design is it in the rendering now in
hindsight i like more of the
i like more of the
craftsman door
it's kind of in between
because of your your cad drawing it's
kind of just the panelized floor panel
like i like i like to actually like the
rendering one it's got a little more
yeah i think i would move towards that
when you pull up the rendering one just
so we're all clear that one okay yeah
the one i think that's that detail on
that i don't know if that's the exact
design but the detailing of that fits
better with the craftsman style
i just um
now that we're kind of going around
again
i have a whole list of things i think
no i i would make that a condition i
think the panel the standard penalized
door would not work here
now that doesn't have to be that exact
design but i think working with you on
on getting a craftsman style door would
be a condition are we making the half
round gutters condition also
uh that was mr heyers
condition of a half round gutter
no no but i don't know how else you're
going to do it it's not going to be easy
with the box cutter you're not going to
be able to do with the k style at the
very least i'd love to do it on the
sides in the front
i mean yeah it'd be nice to see it
everywhere honestly yeah
this condition here
why do you need to have this up here
this this little gable couldn't you just
make this
if you wanted to change the slope and
and make it like a gambrel roof you know
where you just
it's like another hip a lower hip that
sits on top of that yeah i could do a
little gamble change of pitch the reason
why i say that is because the focus of
this garage elevation are these dormers
and these doors right
and that was another thing i only added
from last month because that roof is so
big i see this just takes away from
from this composition down below
it draws your eye up to something the
last thing i want to see on the garage
honestly are the dormers and
i think that would hold together just
fine i think that
unless there's some kind of corridor up
there that you're trying to
fit in there otherwise i would i would
just um
do a gambrill yeah yeah
i mean i don't in this design i don't
even mind the fact that it overlaps the
gable of the of the house like that
normally we would want it lower you know
that had a clean die in under the eve
but if this just became
you know
if you just knocked this off yeah and
had it as a low gambrel
sure
you see that
i had a condition or a question about
process and it goes back to the
elevation and the grading
i'd like to understand how
that is assured or enforced is there a
step in the
building
inspection process that will assure that
that
grading
we're working through that because it's
such a new
you know it's been highlighted so much
that kathy and i
um building inspector the whole team has
talked about
how do we do that process and we've
already started to like think of ways
definitely we need to go out there
um with
existing grade and market and not from
the street at the at the stakes
so we're yeah so you know where you're
starting from yes and would be
easily to identify a change in grade
correct okay that's that's been the main
problem it's how do we identify
how tap a block for the foundation
before they start doing framing we're
typically going to want a positive grade
away from that foundation so
just keep that in mind that yeah right
you know if you use that as a point of
beginning i'd rather see that pointing
in there than the sidewalk
it needs to be yeah right needs to be
taken where are the existing houses yeah
i mean we're struggling with we don't
need to get into the details now but as
staff is how do we
how do we mark that as a way that we can
maintain that marker during construction
and really document in a way to tell
that people are keeping grade
are starting at the same grade that
that they said they were okay that
sounds like your attention this is good
and you'll feel sure that that works yes
well one one thing just for the record
that i would like to
mention is for a new build or for a tear
down and a new build
you have the opportunity to look at the
grade to make sure that the drainage is
going to be proper right before you
bring us design drawings right because
it's it's a new to new law in a sense
so are you comfortable with the grades
on this lot for your drainage nearly 8
inches and 10 feet and all of that away
from the house
or are you have you studied that
so that you are you going to have to
raise this house
in order to meet just minimum drainage
because your client is saying that
um you know this is a low spot but is
the low spot just over here like it's
some kind of swale
it's something that
um mr lew would know better than i would
based on he's been out there for a month
and if you can get a feel of
how that existing grade has been
draining
do you notice anything
or anything yeah there should be no
problem there uh
great it is pretty much
the house stay there there's a great
round of water slow to the front slope
to the back okay to the to the front and
to the back correct and then
just a little to the side but this is
coming towards you right
right but this also comes away also from
your house a little bit and then goes to
the back of the front
i
then the shipping no problem okay
because i
i'm gonna do some remodeling too okay i
shouldn't have any problem with the slow
drain
it means the dance flows right
is that the natural gradient just the
foundation you shouldn't have any
problem okay
to the front to the back because they
have quite a bit of slope to the front
but in the back you don't have a luxury
of an alley or that's where water can
drain to you legally we've got another
property i understand but the this is
the time when you take the opportunity
to install some type of drainage system
i understand
but the front no problem they're slow
they do have a slope right at the corner
correct correct and also the trend to
the left
the left with the other side the range
far away and also the corner have
the public drill to the to their soul
and we're getting really into deep
issues that we kathy and i will solve
with our engineers and our building
inspector you know i think we're getting
a little bit
i'm not negating it we've had issues but
we
just the fact that we're looking for
these things that we didn't yeah
here ago there's a landscape plan that
needs to
go through a tree and public garden
commission and i think it would be well
that that included a a drainage plan
grading
drainage plan uh for their sake and for
the neighbor's sake so again um we we
learn as we go on this and we've had
some issues before which we would do
differently now so this we're doing it
differently now i think at this time we
retain the services of our surveyor that
can go out there and do the spot
grades and then take my new plan and
actually give those
he didn't get a lot of water in his
basement either
um if it's okay madam chair could i ask
that kathy explain or
say the how the conditions will be
worded before she does the finding of
acts so we don't have to correct it
after
thank you because i had some questions
because we're going to have the grade to
be verified and the first word is one
step lower
i mean if we find
we're just lowering the first floor play
down right changing the grade at all
okay
but we just don't want to verify the
grade i would like to have that as a
condition just to make sure that we're
all
good
so
the condition is to maintain the current
grade
of the properties
and that the first floor plate height is
three steps or 18 inches from that grade
that's what i'm asking
and
i don't the reason why it's not an issue
for me is a lot of houses that have
where you try to do a low
entry
um where it might be wood siding that's
a problem right because you got joists
that are right up against or potentially
right up against the great but you have
a whole brick skirt here
so
in the suggest it was just a suggestion
kathy that the
brick
uh belt course be lowered to match the
wood belt course of the uh
of the of the addition to the garage
kathy's not sure if she's articulating
correctly
one step forward
well it should be
uh it should be 18 inches from grade
from the finish grade which is
should be the same as what it is now
right which means you can do seven seven
four you can do six six and six
all right and then the brick course the
brick belt course the brick the brick
belt course
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drop
to align with first first floor
it's
i think it's actually gonna look better
i mean just
you get more um
siding there it's nice
change to gamble over the garage
craftsman's outdoors for the garage
remove the large bracket on the side
shed
piece
remove large bracket from garage um
extra crush
shed
also extend the rear gable past airport
change the oval window
to something more craftsman
i think you already got this rear column
is consistent with front columns yeah
kathy the that is included in my
recommended conditions on the staff
report
yes okay all right so yeah i have
karen's condition and i've also got no
knowledge no demolition can occur
until the construction documents are
approved
um
the owner must combine the parcels or
request a councilmanic variance for the
r3 lot size and a lot split approval
from the abortion
zoning plan
so if they decide not to support these
lots they have to combine the parcels
just so we have these particles
and then of course the landscape plan
will be approved by the index and
training catholic government commission
uh no trends can be removed until then
material samples to be provided
consideration of the conflict
do you want to see the samples
yeah i'll read all these again and is
there anyone else in the audience that
want to speak on this application
please step forward
if you would just
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please state your name grace granny
do you solemnly swear or from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the proof it's truth i do
thank you
so here
is our roof color
this is um
trim gutters
white windows
um
the gray we're using my whole gray is
going to be speakers as an exterior
um
and the metal room is going to be black
this is the client's preferred brick
so that gray color that you're showing
is not close to the gray that it was
rendered in
right much lighter
yeah this this is very different from
what we're seeing here yeah even the
roof material i mean jet black i would
say is not appropriate for this house i
mean you're looking at something that
right here it's more like a wedgewood
i'm not wedgewood um
what's there's that color from
from
gaf and
these other colors
yeah
everything everybody has that now yeah
so this this is a much warmer house that
we're reviewing than what's being
presented here in materials the jet
black on the metal i don't you know i
would say a bronze if anything
to go with the weathered wood for the
for the roof material and i think the
site i mean this is a beautiful
rendering and that's what we're thinking
this house is going to look like um i i
think that's what we've been basing our
judgments on and i think that warm
almost like it's almost like a new
england gray you know for the for the
siding is is wonderful
does your does your client have
uh
is there a reason why they wanted to
shift from what this rendering is
showing um
these have been our selections they're
they're not locked in stone since we're
not in contract and design yet so
um we can definitely tweak the rendering
to match or i can speak with my clients
about
you know changing their color schemes
with our designer
i think when we see a picture like this
we're just expecting that the materials
are going to be what we see
to clarify we're talking
tweaking the rendering to match that or
tweaking that to match the rendering
either or okay
it would be open to doing the weather
wood roof
bronze kind of
metal roof and a darker
kind of more
i mean if you're
if the client
was happy with those renderings and
we've been talking about those
renderings and we like the renderings
that's probably a good way to go
yeah i think
i think if if we were looking at
looking at new renderings that would i
would want to see it again yeah so that
was you're going to push it back a month
i'm very comfortable with what i see on
the renderings i'm a little surprised at
the the color and i get that there's a
shift and that it stays but i would
really be that that roof is very
monochromatic and i think that would be
just very very heavy uh i'm okay with if
it was a weathered wood or a gray kind
of pattern and then there's a black
standing seam that can work but the
problem is you don't have any other
really black material on
the house so it's gonna be very
overpowered
so i would worry that that's too much
contrast i do love contrast so i think i
would be cautious of that and i think
also the darker brick here works better
than the really light i feel like this
should be very monochromatic and then
the real dark roof would be too much so
yeah there's a there's a subtlety here
there's a warm gray brick that you know
they're making now for all kinds of
projects it's a popular color
so it'd be easy to find you know a brick
that will match that warm dark gray i
think it'd be lovely
i did want to clarify that we we will be
putting full brick
on the columns and the
skirting so
i think this color scheme is great i
don't know why you wouldn't just stick
with what's on the run on the screen
yeah so is is that a great cause i
thought flipping through that some of
those were shown in like a tan color
or are they consistent
it works
that this shakes exciting
i mean they just have the different sun
sundials kind of on it but i read it all
as a as a
medium gray
so
what will work with your color
so you'll just need to resubmit to karen
and she can whatever
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thank you guys thank you thank you
okay is there anyone else that wants to
speak on this project
okay sing none do you want to try to
read the findings of fact sure
the findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number b dash
21-54 property located at 407 northview
the board finds that a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued
to allow for demolition of an existing
structure and proposed new structure
with the following conditions
material samples are to be reviewed and
approved by the residential design
consultant
consideration of columns on the rear
porch to match the front
a landscape plan is to be reviewed and
approved by the vexi tree and public
garden commission or the city's link
i'm just going to say the tree and
public garden commission and no trees
can be removed until that plan has been
approved
no
demolition can occur until the
construction documents are approved
the owner must combine the parcels or
request a councilmanic variance from the
r3 lot size and a lot split approval
from the board of zoning and planning
as far as the design of the home the
craftsman style door should be
picked for the garage doors
roof change over the cam should be
changed to gambrel over the garage
and remove the large bracket from the
garage shed roof
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brick belt course be dropped to align
with the first floor
grade to be verified and the first floor
plate is to be 18 inches
from grade
maximum
uh
and i believe i said final design to be
reviewed and approved by the window did
you mention the elbow window that's why
i've had to edit it here final designed
to be reviewed by the improved by the
city design consultant
which includes changing an oval window
to a craftsman style
i think that's
everything good job
is there a board member that would like
to make a motion on this application so
moved
i second
mr heyer
yes
mr scott yes
mr hellman yes
ms tosser yes
and madam chair
yes
you have been approved thank you so much
for redoing it i really appreciate that
thank you very much thank you
okay the we are going to um new business
then
our first application under new business
is arb 21-58
the address is 221 ashborne the
applicant is carrick cheryl
the owner is alex marsh and the
applicant is requesting architectural
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for the demolition of an
existing fire damaged home and the
construction of a new single family home
staff report yes hold on a second i lost
my link
oh
that's okay and now i can get it back
quickly
sorry
okay this application is for the
demolition of an existing home that was
damaged by fire
um
and an application for
the replacement of that structure the
new
uh completely new
building
let me open up the pictures
there is a pretty thorough report i did
have some additional pictures that i
just want to go through quickly
um i honestly i talked to alex marsh the
applicant today and i'm not really sure
what happened these pictures were not
submitted last minute they were actually
on the city's portal a couple weeks ago
and then when i went to get everything
set up for the meeting this week they
just weren't there so i just want to
quickly go through to make sure you guys
have all seen you the audience have all
seen
the inspection report
because it does include some pictures a
lot a couple of the board members had
asked me if we had interior pictures to
show some of the interior damage to
determine
um whether or not this you know merits
um demolition and here are some of the
pictures i'll just run through i'm going
to give outside i don't know if um
george brodie or somebody from broady is
here to go over the report to determine
the
merit of demolition but i'll give the
applicant the chance to go through that
in detail
to me a lot of it looks like it's been
gutted and started again
that kind of looks like some new framing
but um i'm gonna let the applicants
speak to that
so there is um
a claim in the report that the fire
the they cannot get the fire smell out
of the interior there's there's
some different issues that i'd like the
applicant to address
um in the meantime i also want to go
over quickly the
not quickly but the uh the sighting of
it there is
for the new build this is the position
of the new home which does not need any
zoning it is a very um unusual site it's
a non-conforming site
um it doesn't need a variance it doesn't
need what i say exactly zoning sorry it
doesn't need a variance it is built
within the parameters of the zoning code
um here's some pictures of it as it
exists
and this is
the new site plan with landscape
and i'm looking for the
i was looking for the elevation sorry
give me a second but i think in the
meantime if um you want to swear in out
alex you're going to do your own
presentation okay
and i'll i'll kind of go through some of
the drawings here here's the floor plans
please state your name alex marsh you
soundly swear from the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
yes thank you
i just wanted to give a quick
introduction on myself and thank you
guys for the opportunity to present
today
my wife and i are lifelong bexy
residents our family was has been here
for four generations so we care a lot
about the community we want to build
something that
will stand the test of time so this
application is very important to us
we've been working on it since june
and trying to really
find knit all the details surrounding it
so we do have our architect here that
can go over some more of the details
but we do request you guys take a
serious look at this today because we
only have one meeting to get this
approved unfortunately
so
if you have any questions um carrick
will be able to uh help with the
architectural aspects of it
you may want to elaborate on that a
little bit like why do you want to have
today why do you only have one meeting
to get something approved well the
current property owner is only giving us
one meeting to get it approved
and you understand that that really
doesn't ever happen in bexley it usually
does two to three yeah we looked at the
old files and saw it's usually that two
to three
but we just wanted to kind of get as
thorough of an application as possible
in
uh today so
just to clarify are you saying that
it's uh
the property is under contract so
you could move forward if you wanted to
you just have to remove the condition
correct so it's your you could move
forward without architectural approval
but it's your risk
correct yeah yeah i just want to
understand yep yeah so it is in our eyes
contingent on getting a demo permit
because we think the interior of the
home's been completely gutted and would
be economically unfeasible to rebuild
so just to be clear and then we can put
that aside
um there's there are more options i i
think i'm just going to summarize what
what you've heard up here there are more
options than just passing on the first
you know time because i just you and i
have talked about this it just doesn't
really happen yeah we don't expect
something to pass completely but maybe
something with conditions but you could
get an idea yeah um of the the feel of
the board to a point that you're
comfortable moving ahead yeah you could
ask you could remove the contingency um
or you could ask the owner for an
extension yeah i just want to be clear
that um that it's just very very unusual
for
i don't know that we've ever had a demo
go through with only one time so i just
didn't
we've had this discussion outside of
this board too i just want to be clear
that i didn't set any expectations yeah
no you didn't and um you know we know we
have an uphill battle ahead of us but
hopefully we can get some positive
feedback and hope you appreciate the
time we've put into this
having said all that now i did find the
elevations there's these are very big
files yeah i apologize but um and i just
wanted to finish one more staff comment
and then you can give it to your
architect
to kind of go through the design intent
the only thing i would really request
the next time you come back sorry to say
it that way but um
we would really like to see
and you heard that in the last
presentation is the
um floor plate and roof
height
comparisons to homes that are next to it
i get it that this is a unusual
sight to do that kind of comparison
because it's a it's an oddly shaped lot
but we still would like to see how that
yeah if you look at the front of the
house it's tough because there's huge
landscape buffering on both sides so
it's hard to really compare the
neighboring properties to it but we're
happy to look at doing that
do you want to give more information or
are you
i think it'd be good to have your
architect yeah i think he can talk more
to the design of the project
um
are you in
how are you folks doing good good please
state your name carrick cheryl you saw
me square or from the testimony you're
about to give this evening is the truth
i certainly do thank you
you want me to talk about the
architecture
um
were you going to say something no i was
going to say that i i'm the
techie person too so you just let me
know what images you would like up there
sure
um
i was looking at the staff report today
so i i have some additional material i
don't know if i can hand that out but i
did bring
some sheets that had the materials
laid out and specified i also
in response to the staff report
made some minor adjustments to the total
overall ridge height
so
and lowered it a couple of feet so
it didn't affect it too much
from
the street side
elevation um but i can provide that
additional material if you guys want to
see it
um it hasn't changed the character of
the building in any way other than then
bring the ridge height down
so uh alex came to me uh with this
project um and you know had a program in
mind um a number of bedrooms bathrooms
um said that it was sitting on a site um
of a house that had been burned out
and um so i i looked at the site
um
and the sighting of the uh the current
home
um
and
looking at the way that it was a you
know kind of a broadside um
home
um i started with that elevation so it's
it's um you know where the elevation is
kind of wider than it is deep
in this particular instance um we're
trying to get a little more square
footage than that would allow so we we
extended the you know
the back of the house out a little bit
further
to get the amount of square footage
that's part of the program
we're using a fairly contemporary
vernacular
you know open wide open front porch
however it does reflect kind of the same
approach as the existing home
it's
a little bit taller
it's you know designed to have an
occupied
attic space that is
mostly
day lit from the rear instead of the
front so we're not using any um you know
third floor
uh
dormers
um and i think that helps to
bring the size of the building down
the way that the
the loft above the garage steps down
as part of the house i think also helps
break the mass down a little bit
along with the with the vertical
elements that flank the front porch
i'm sure you folks will have lots of uh
comments about the detailing
and
this particular rendering isn't uh fully
detailed to the point where
um some of the previous applications
have been detailed
but uh you know
this style of architecture is
less ornamental than than other styles
of architecture
so
i don't
there there's some stuff missing a
couple of trim details etc but but in
terms of the
the general aesthetic of the house um
the massing uh it's all fairly well
represented here so
i'll take your comments questions
concerns okay
uh let's start with mr helmet
um
yeah i think we have a
probably a problem here because i the
the ability to resolve this in one
meeting is probably not possible sure
let me finish please um i think maybe
backing up a little bit um you know the
sanbury edition is probably as close to
a architecturally significant district
as we have in all of bexley in terms of
materiality and scale
relationship houses to one another
and so that's very important to us and
so
to be clear we have two issues here
one
is whether the current house which is in
scale to its neighbors and part of the
composition that holds together so well
uh is it salvageable so that's test
number one
and then test number two
is where does the replacement house
fit
in terms of being part of that
composition and i guess i would submit
to you that the
just as
the existing house in scale
would maybe look crazy being wedgwood or
jefferson or some other place because it
wouldn't have the height that wouldn't
have the
the massive sense of presence that those
houses have but in reverse i think the
house that's proposed here we'd have to
go some major major
changes
in order to make it part of the
composition that is in scale
tied to the materiality of the
neighborhood i mean that is this are
probably our most precious area that we
have
and as you know
from an arb perspective
our
one of our major goals is the
enhancement and preservation
of our great architectural heritage we
have so i think we've got a tough way to
go here
uh is there someone that would volunteer
to go next
uh
i'll go next
so
i'm
not
100 um comfortable with the
demolition report
honestly for me it seems very
self-serving
to get to a goal of
justifying a demolition
not um
i understand it's pretty much got it
inside i understand that the electric's
not there which would be expected
um
so
i don't
i don't know if the other board members
would agree with that but i'm i'm having
a little bit of a hard time
um
getting
past the first step which is it should
be demolished
and then on the second piece i agree
with larry 100 i don't see how that
particular
style of residence
is compatible with that very important
area
i'll go and
you can
sweep up
um
any report i read where i see the word
or the phrase any further delay
uh is always scary
and i i don't appreciate that language
being put into any report for an arb for
any board
um it's a threat
um and it's not appreciated
on top of that we as a board
are supposed to make a ruling about a
demolition
and all we have are words that say that
there is so much fire and smoke damage
to the house that it cannot be repaired
or it cannot it's not salvageable for
the market i'm not buying that
i've been by the house i've looked
through the windows
this house is definitely repairable it's
definitely restorable
and it is a absolutely beautiful
structure
it may not be unique in the sense that
the letter
was that was written in favor of the
demolition states
but it is a classic example of a bexley
georgian revival house it has all the
scale that we look for in this kind of
house all the details
um the house is intact the outside is in
excellent condition the clay tile roof
uh is absolutely stunning
and i
in no way could i
vote in favor of the demolition of this
house i just
can't see
that a it's it deserves to be
torn down nor do i see a design that's
better
than what's existing for that
neighborhood that's all i have to say
mr scott
i i agree with everything that's been
said i think the
um i drove by the house again the night
on the way here and um didn't get out to
walk because i was free for the storm
but um
you know the existing house is a
beautiful home it's it it fits into the
neighborhood
uh i do understand that there's you know
obviously the interior has been gutted
it looks like it's been
partially uh rebuilt um
maybe by the existing owner
don't know
i'm sure there's probably a fire smile i
have um
had friends who've had fire friend a
mother head of fire and there are ways
to remediate that fully and actually
drywall over burnt studs and it doesn't
never smell so there's there's things
that can be done
um
so i'm not sure i buy all of that um or
that all all of that work has really
been looked at
and
with the condition of the exterior that
i that i've saw
that would be a hard sell for me as well
especially rushed or quickly cannot push
through
that being said uh this site is a unique
site as you know um it's a unique lot
the existing house it's fairly close to
the road it has the presence
um i think
your design
aside from the context i actually really
like that the efforts you've put into
the design
um i'm not sold that it does fit exactly
into that context um it actually is
unique some certain neighbors have
neighborhoods have a unique
aesthetic that sometimes is actually
quite hard in a new construction so uh
that's gonna be our hard challenge
i do like that the effort in the design
i would call this um a strong schematic
design model as you said you're not
working through the details yet i
understand that so we wouldn't dive into
those details
um
but i also worry that this though the
front porch on this design uh starts to
soften that presence being so close to
the street the verticality of like all
of the masking and the gables and the
windows start to elevate the height of
that house being closer to the street
and i think that would be a challenge to
to in that context
you know materials and other things that
you may need to incorporate to help
settle this house into the neighborhood
i think it could be worked out um but i
worry that some of this verticality in
the design which i do like i think it's
very proportioned i think it did a good
job
might actually be a detriment to where
it's actually fitting in the site sure
so um you know i don't think we really
need to dive in totally into all of that
um
you know i think we're happy to continue
to talk about the details but um i think
this one will is a challenge because of
the
the nature of where this sits the
neighborhood and existing structure okay
okay i think that that leaves me um so
i i agree with a lot of what i've heard
here um
i also the green side of me has a real
problem of tearing down a giant brick
structure and sending it to the dump
um it's got a beautiful roof on it with
a lot of texture
i don't see
you know some of those materials
duplicated in in your new drawing and i
guess i was curious is there any
look is there any idea of taking the
existing structure and
turning it into something that
would fit the bill with an addition and
um i guess you know when i when i start
looking in the windows that was my first
if you don't love what's there
you can
draw a new front and new windows and you
know you still have a brick structure
with a beautiful roof and
you could tear off an edition or put on
an edition or whatever and you could
make it what your you know contemporary
or whatever you want
you literally have a blank slate but i i
really struggle with tearing that down
and sending that to the landfill sure i
can understand that
um
can we
discuss a little bit the
potential to
increase the size of the existing
structure and and kind of what your
expectations are
for
keeping portions of the existing
structure
knowing that
you know kind of
behind the front facade behind the side
or inside the side um of the building
there's not much character left i mean
the the existing when i mean the windows
that are there are not original to the
building right they're back um it needs
new windows right it's i mean there's
there's there's no character on the
inside anymore you can see that it's
it's been torn down to the studs so
but in the same way that you start with
a blank slate so you can create in that
brick box
whatever you want
and we know just to start that we have
the we have it placed right on the site
we have a height that we all love
um
so anything that survives yeah i guess i
just don't understand why you wouldn't
look at that and say
you know i get it that you don't love
the front you don't love the door you
don't love
but to throw all that away um
it's money and it's you know
the brick box is great
the structural elements of the property
would make it extremely tough to rebuild
at this point so that that's why we put
this direction
all right so you're saying that the
structure of the of this
configure the whole structure
you saw put in place just so that it
would collapse
because i didn't see anything in the
documents that you submitted that told
that said that that
that that the structure of the of the
building was
in jeopardy of falling down
yeah because it i don't see signs of
that as you walk around it i don't yeah
i mean that's why all that framing is
re-added back in there
yeah i mean i don't
to me there's no there's there's very
few buildings in bexley that can't be
torn down if something better is being
um
you know submitted in its place
but
i'm i'm struggling with this one and i
don't know that i've ever voted against
a demolition in the past because
what they bring is so much better than
what's there but what's there is
it's a good start and
so i don't know if you if if the
structure truly is that bad
i would say that you need to bring
something back
okay
from an engineer showing us that it is
that the building is that it's failed
that it's failed yeah right i think you
know i don't like
you