okay we will call to order the august
11th 2002 meeting of the bexley
architectural review board
uh
kathy can we call the roll australia yes
here mr heyer
here
um okay uh this this part of the meeting
is for a public comment if there's
someone in the audience that would like
to speak about something that is not
before the board tonight you have a
chance to come up now and speak to us if
it's something that is uh before the
board tonight uh it will be you know we
will just discuss it when when we get to
that case so is there anyone that wants
to speak about anything that's not
before the board tonight
okay uh seeing nothing uh we will go to
approval of minutes and we have three
meetings that we need to approve the
first one would be the june uh regular
arb
uh meeting minutes
is there a board member that will
approve those i also just want to know
that mrs sent me some corrections and
those have been changed and already
they're included in the new upload
awesome thank you are we approving these
all together as one or separately
separate separate
i just have one comment about the
meeting minutes some of them are
detailed and some of them are not
sometimes it'll say and mr higher had
further discussion about this
uh so i'd have to go back and watch the
videos to get the content
other ones are you know highly detailed
so i would ask for more consistency with
the meeting minutes okay
i'll move for the approval of the june
minutes
second
you call the roll
mr
yes mr scott yes mr ohio yes adam tony
yes
uh the second meeting would be the
regular july arb meeting
is there a board member that will move
to approve those
so moved
second
i'll call the role ms strasser yes mr
hire yes mr scott yes adam tony yes
thank you and the final one would be the
special uh july arb meeting
where we basically talked about
just those two cases
so moved
second
miss strausser
mr scott yes mr heyer yes madame tony
yes
okay next on our list is actually um
i just want to make everyone aware that
we have a bunch of items that were in
the last meeting or in the last special
meeting that were tabled to today that
are not before us the applicants were
not able to get to get all their
information pulled together in time so
um we have all of these cases that are
not before us that were originally going
to be on the agenda so if you are here
about any of those application numbers
how's that
so the first one is the bexley school
board that's the case about the uh the
screens on the tennis courts
the second one is um
uh the address is
2456 sherwood the applicant was
requesting architectural review and
approval and a certificate of an
appropriate to remove slate shingles and
replace it with asphalt
the third was
uh
yes
yes so that
they did not get their drawings redone
and back to us in time so
they are not coming before us tonight so
for both properties they requested a
table to september 8th yes for both
properties and they did request it on
monday so in this and i posted it right
away so for next month make sure you
check the website also and it'll show
you ahead of time you won't have to
waste your time if anyone's here for the
school application we are going to
separate the
court screening and the signage that was
proposed along the edge of stanwood
which isn't a screen but actual
signs
we have determined that those are in the
city right-of-way which are under
jurisdiction i believe of the tree and
public garden commission so those signs
will go to the public garden commission
which meets in september and i believe
the screening will return to this board
in september as well on the 8th for a
recommendation to the zoning board
hearing also in september
yes and and next month if you're if
you're not sure you can't find it on the
website please just call into the city
in the morning and
because we always know you know a couple
days ahead of time whether they're going
to pull it or not
sorry about that thank you for coming
thank you are you sure you don't want to
stay for the other cases though you're
very exciting
okay um so
the next thing then is we have one item
that is uh on a consent
uh list of all the cases that came
before us this month we had one that was
um pre-approved by all of us
so that is application number arb 22-44
the address is 107 south south ardmore
the applicant is chelsea dwyer the owner
is michael and
dela gold
the applicant is requesting our review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a front porch
expansion and house modifications
so this this has been um approved by all
of us so i just need a board member to
um make the motion to approve that on a
consent
second
do we have to ask if anyone is here to
speak on that update oh yeah i'm sorry
is anyone in the audience here to speak
about that particular address
okay seeing none
i will call the role uh mr scott yes
strauser yes mr heyers yes tony yes
okay so that takes us to new business
so the first application is arv 22-42
the address is 2774
to 2776 east main street the applicant
is
edward
kolodovsky
the owner is edward kolodowski the
applicant is seeking a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning for
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for wall
art on the east facade of the building
karen do you have a little of a
background on this applicant here
oh dear doesn't look like it okay you
want to just push it to the end and see
if they show up
i think so because any any concerning
questions i had because of such an
unusual application would require
conversation back up definitely
okay we will push that to the end of the
agenda
uh okay so uh the next application
number arb
22-43 the address is 86 north cassidy
the applicant is amy lower house the
owner is neil and ellen raisman the
applicant is requesting architectural
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a second story
edition over the exit over the existing
first floor
uh karen you want to give us a little
bit more um sure um
honestly this application i
had on my list to have a consent agenda
item we do have kind of an ongoing
concern and this is not specific to amy
and i've already spoken to amy about
this issue about not having um
the elevations
completely labeled in terms of materials
and
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we we just had board members
that board members that would like to
have
some dialogue about materials and
choices for windows trim etc that we're
not
um expressed to
their desire on drugs
it's kind of an ongoing issue we will
talk about it at our workshop that we
have next week
um in the past just by way of history
we have always
when somebody's just putting an addition
onto a house that
um blends in and is meant to match we've
accepted for this stage
for just conceptual design
match
existing so there is a history
of of us
doing accepting that i have no problem
at all this is your board in changing
the the requirements
um but we'll have i think that will be
one of our subject matters to come up
with a list of what should be on the
drugs i think we're just trying to get
to a level of consistency from all
applicants and we have really pushed
other people to
that we don't know as well especially to
get all the you know
the labels and stuff on their drawings
and so
um i think that was just something that
we we would like everyone to be more
consistent in getting things labeled so
um is there any board member that wants
to speak specifically about this even
more
maybe in the context of the application
yeah yeah because it's mixing two
different issues one is labeling the
drawings because that is an issue when
it's not you know like we have a new
building proposed today and it's really
important that we have all the
information on the drawing um the second
issue is if it's going to match existing
how explicit do they need to be on the
drive well anything too because we now
have the the consent agenda which you
know we are basically asking
being asked to pre-approve things while
we you know sit at home at night or in
our offices and so we can't ask
what is going on and so um i think
that's just because of that consent
agenda we we just are requiring that but
amy was more gracious about it and she's
here to answer questions
for the drawings don't answer yeah okay
does it happen is there a board member
that wants to start then swearing oh we
need we need kathy to swear her in
i swear
yeah
she can't yeah go ahead you know the
words you should swear
can you raise your right hand
state your name thank you
do you swear to tell the whole truth
nothing but the truth
here's the one
um
yeah i guess i'm
you know karen and i had a little
conversation about this yesterday um
like she said so different when i
provide when i'm doing addition uh
that's going to match all the existing
details of the original house i
um
just show it as such
i don't know how much you actually read
through
each time the verbal application right
but a lot of that information is in
there
um so it talks about windows and trims
and colors and um
signing and all that kind of stuff so
um that's typically where that
information is time more than happy to
you know provide whatever information
that
you need moving forward that would be
helpful for you
application package
i know that you we can skim through and
get down to those sheets and and find it
i do like the idea of
you know you've already got leaders on
the drawings you know and just throwing
in a couple more leaders
like windows
uh
aluminum clad wood or vinyl or whatever
it's going to be you know color and
patterns to match existing
um trim trim to match existing you know
just a couple more leaders might be nice
that we don't have to go and read
through the whole package
yeah and there's a another concern that
we'll bring up outside of this also is
that the whole package contains
personal information of
i haven't been posting those online
right because
we
we can i mean it's public record once
it's submitted to the city
it just um i had had a request i don't
even think i discussed it do that
not to put
emails and phone numbers and sometimes i
see them and sometimes i don't yeah well
with the variances i'll pull out the
criteria that they have to address in
those applications but i guess maybe
there's certain pages we can post that
seem appropriate as far as the details
from the online application yeah
so i'll admit it i've this is i'm
championing this at least i'm trying to
uh maybe there's others at the board
that have
spoken with staff but your initial
submittal didn't have any any notes at
all
and you so to me you could just in your
application say addition to match
existing and
the lines are irrelevant because you're
just you're showing some scale here but
i have no idea the bridge height i don't
know
anything
and to me that's just we're proving then
just a concept graphic and not an actual
architectural presentation or a
detail that's going to that's going to
get carried over i don't know the window
size i don't know the shutter material i
don't know you're saying this the shape
but there's a manufacturer that you've
selected to match that
um i get that there's there's been a
history you've been working because i
know you've done a lot of work in the
city so
uh and and i think you know your work is
it stands out so it's not an issue of
quality but it's a standard for our as a
board or for me as a board member to be
able to review these
in a consistent manner uh there needs to
be a level of expectation of what that
information is that we're actually
improving in this meeting
i know that there's a lot of work that
happens outside this meeting and i know
uh
karen works with the applicants and does
a lot of that coordination through the
building the building permits but as a
board member
you know it can't just be a an elevation
it has to really contain the information
by which we can then say that's what we
approved and you know if we go out to
the site to see something i know that
the window size change well that's not
what we approved because it said that
was a 30 by 42 or 30 by 60 so
it's something that i'm going to be
continuing to push for on this board uh
and and the city standards of like what
is the kind of minimum requirements uh
your this particular project is kind of
just kind of set that
pushed me over that little edge of
things that i've been building for a
long time and i deal with it on the
other side as well i've stand still
where you are many many times so
like i said
i mean i guess i would just ask that if
you're i know
work being done right now on um
updating the guidelines
and all of that kind of thing
um certainly if we have a risk um
just a simple list of what you would
want
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and i've already started working on that
great great idea
like downspouts yeah
well i think just a quantitative and
qualitative nature of it right so you're
putting a dormer on but where's what's
the spring line for that e what's the e
height for that door right i mean it's
it's would you which you would put
together more of a construction drawing
now and and i'm not even pushing for
construction drawing level that's yeah
that's there's lots a lot more
information that we need a lot of times
sometimes we like that um
it's just you're setting you're putting
the parameters down within the document
that you're submitting for us to review
and approve that that we can look at and
stand behind the cpa yes i understand
this i can i can measure this document
right to be able to give not only a
design response but also something that
we can then have on file as a record
right and yeah and again i have no
problem with that and that's one of the
things that karen and i talked a little
bit about was sort of that
you know how far do you go
into construction documents but not too
far right because like you said you
don't you don't have a distribution um
but for me
and i lived in the most architects
but it's in the question of schedule
right because we have to
when we're done with the schematic
design phase that's when i submit to the
board and then we have a month lag time
while we're waiting for the reading to
occur
that's when i'm doing the construction
documents so
you know if i need to provide
a substantial amount more information
before i can submit that it's just
does any of this you know in terms of
the
measurements and things that you're
including in here because the computer
makes them
totally accurate
whether it's wrong or right
and you know if we were still doing this
by hand you could just put you know i
might be a couple inches off here there
but who cares i mean at least the board
will understand
the relative relationships of these
things and you can do that by hand
the computer doesn't let you do that so
is there a way to just even if you're
not sure that the dormer's gonna sit
here instead of here that
you feel pretty comfortable that you're
in the ballpark you can put the number
in and
then take it out when you're doing your
cds because you're gonna fine tune it
i'm just thinking through the process i
totally agree i mean i think i i i
review these
bluebeam and bluebeam it's scaled right
i can get an idea of where these things
are right
but again that's that's me reviewing it
and not part of the official submittal
and approval process things that go on
record right now yeah the dimensions i
totally get the differences um and
that's something that
like the computer makes it so much
easier to do than it used to be and that
just can go into the construction
document so i can just keep those on
um
so yeah once
i'm
perfectly amenable to whatever advance
you want it's just
it's the whole question of how much do i
have to provide beforehand
yeah
well i think your line work is done
right right i think you you highlight
the new and versus existing windows and
that's something that we've talked about
over the last couple years which is very
helpful right so it allows us to quickly
analyze them we've got new senior style
so yeah that's helpful for us but
um
yeah i was just surprised that there
wasn't any notes on the initial seminals
that's when i pushed back a little bit
related to the what i understand of the
design i don't have any comments other
than uh i was just looking at your
on the uh south elevation is there a
cricket that's gonna be en end up being
between those groups it's not being
literally shown in the elevation
i have no further comments
mr assert nothing
mr scott do you have anything else
no i think uh depending on how the vote
goes i think um
as as what we'll say has traditionally
happened in this type of a case based on
uh i want to say this based on my
comments here tonight
um
you know
very comfortable with you continuing to
work with staff if this this ends up
getting approved
um because of that history and that but
it it's an ongoing discussion that we're
going to have here as a board and things
and i think uh as we continue to move
forward on not only the guidelines
because those are kind of that relate to
what we're doing but not requirements
but also any sort of updates or
improvements on what the submission
requirements are
um those are really overlay into what
we've already been doing it's just we're
asking a little bit more information
into these metals
it doesn't affect this smells directly
in that other than what we've talked
about uh but again very comfortable with
you continuing to work with
the staff and and to finish this and get
this through two constructions
okay um
do we have findings of factor
the findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number
arb-22-43 for property located at 86
north cassidy the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued noting that the proposed second
floor edition on the south end of the
principal structure is architecturally
compatible with the existing structure
and should be approved excuse me with
the condition that final design approval
are subject to further review and
approval by the residential design
consultant
and before we vote on this is there
anyone in the audience that would like
to speak on this application
okay seeing then is there a
move second
i will call the role
um
yes mr heyer yes mr scott
yes and i'm tony yes
you are approved thank you thank you
the next application is number arb
22-45 the address is 216 south columbia
i have a question about this should this
be a beezap number
no no um the visa kathy you can correct
me if i'm wrong the bzap application or
the
splitting of this existing lot is a
separate okay
not that this isn't dependent on that
but but it's a separate ask
the current house that is in front of
you
has no variance needed
or
um
the the way it is designed okay so it's
a separate application to okay they have
respected the setbacks
as if the site this lot was split okay
okay it's application number arb 22-45
the address is 216 south columbia the
applicant is nate sampson the owner is
michael glemscher the applicant is
requesting architectural review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a new house on the
north lot subject to the lot split
uh
you have some background care um
sure so this is an application whoops i
have the wrong one up there
hold on a second
why don't i go ahead and swear and yeah
please state your name
do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth thank you
okay this application is for a a new
home that is to be built um in front of
what is now an existing pool house that
will be part of
this property so the pool house will be
an accessory structure to this new home
um currently the lots are combined
the the
applicant is seeking a lot split from
bzap that is
for the discussion today and not a
discussion point i'm not gonna say it's
irrelevant because it is relevant in
terms of whether or not this house can
be built it's conditioned upon
conditioned upon
but it's not the item for discussion at
this board this board should look at
this application and testimony from
neighbors should be about the design of
this
new home
as
as if
the
lot split was granted
so we're looking at
we're looking at the design in the
context of the lot split being created
the new home is very consistent with the
neighboring properties i'm going to be
kind of short and hand it off to nate to
do his own presentation there are
contextual drawings i can blow them up
but you've seen them
their site plans
i think a good deal of the information
that we require for new builds is
presented here
um i did ask for a material
board to be submitted and
this morning
and they did it so this is a material
board that was
you probably haven't seen yet you've
seen it all verbally described on the
drawings this these drawings are heavily
notated
noted
um but
this board was put together so we can
kind of see
um the colors material choices it is the
intent is for it to blend into the
neighborhood
um
and to match the existing pool house
um
if this if the board chooses to approve
this new design tonight after this
discussion
um i would
ask that it be conditioned on
the landscape plan to be reviewed by the
touring public garden commission or the
landscape consultant
there's certain parts of it that we'll
have to go to tree and public garden
commission but um that would really be
the only condition that i i did have
materials to be submitted for review but
that has been um now added to the
application
uh i'll go ahead and
pass it on to you nate your presentation
thanks very much
um
so this application
uh is sort of two parts and it's two
parts at this point just lastly has been
considered uh by luzia
at this point so there's sort of a major
minor
major part of his
architectural review of the proposed new
single family
house on this slide which
is a
big actually went through to join the uh
continuous last owned by
you know the same party a number of
years ago so this is actually illegal
law in the city of actually within the
swimming area
um the second part is an extension of
the sistine carriage house which sits
behind
the crystal structure that is on that
bob now
with this
proposed last split
we
basically just have to cover that that
in this architectural review item
that also
is not requesting the variances um fits
within the
updated zone for accessory structures
was released
so
i'm going to talk about that first just
get out of the way because it's a very
simple approach to it uh we're standing
that carriage house and reworking the
front side of the garage states the
material pallet uh on that carriage
house uh is intended to match exactly
what is there now
structures
um
will be uh expanding that footprint with
you know saying windows style same
finish styling structure the same
detailing uh same root signature the one
modification that we did uh we used to
make on this was that original carriage
house is taller than is allowed under
the new zoning code guidelines for
accessory structure so we lowered uh the
root flying for that to
a bit within so many diagonals that are
currently in place
um if you go down
into sort of the last second last slide
the third lines
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so this
drawing from the top you can see
what the existing carriage house looks
like today and then the bottom two
drawings are the front elevation and it
was the
south elevation
showing the addition
in material and shape
to get understanding how our composition
comes together
yeah let's uh is there anyone on the
board that wants to talk about this
structure first we have any comments
about this one i was just going to
clarify you the addition to this you
said that to meet the new
zoning regulation for heights the
addition was not made the same height as
the current carriage house it was
lowered to okay so
and that is just uh you know we matched
the slope which is uh
1412 uh and with
the extension
that's been modified so that's what out
is to
be within the private system
slightly structured the
rumors
our seven backs we the current zoning
guidelines uh
from the
first floor
so so the new the new dormer is all
slate and it's meant to kind of blend in
with the roof as opposed to the other
two dormers
uh which is no longer committed variance
i almost kind of want to go for a
variance right
but i understand why you did that
any discussion about this structure
yeah okay i think you can move on to
that
all right so uh
i guess we'll go back to the first part
of this application so
you know we are looking at proposing a
new single family structure on what is
uh
lot thank you
a lot to the north of uh
the parcel as it stands today uh the
structure as far as streetscape um is uh
sits within the zoning guidelines for
height um
it's a
slate roof structure slate uh in sort of
color ratio size and thickness of slate
uh to match the pool house uh that sits
behind it
uh the exterior finish of this is a
stucco finish uh the same as the pool
house it is um a two-part stucco finish
so the body of the house itself is a
fine sand stucco where we have detailing
around windows and places and uh some of
the abandoning around the house is in a
smooth stucco so just a textural
difference there uh
to help you know differentiate
the details of the facades um and also
help to give it some scale when we talk
about that banding um
the
uh
i guess the second the roof of the
structure is pulled down so the second
floor dormers uh pop through the um
the eve and the roof line um
the
there is some limestone detailing uh
that exists at the front and rear door
uh entry and also in the archways are
the either two wing walls of the
residence
extreme left and extreme right um
we are
uh looking at an awning condition at the
front door um
that is
a metal awning um
you know with all of this that piece uh
it is meant to i guess fit into this uh
fit in with the house but
you know it would be a you know a dark
bronze uh awning just for coverage at
the front door the front back door of
cut lime stone detail around them that
frames them in uh which is slightly
different than the detailing that
happens throughout the rest of the house
uh which is a smooth stucco uh trim
around the windows in that banding
um
you know the first floor elevation of
this house you know in in our efforts to
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do as much as we can to coordinate it
with you know the block which is
two houses on one side one house on the
other side is a shorter block
um
the first floor uh elevation is 24
inches out of the ground
with the roof line uh at the front which
you see um
and running at two points it's slightly
higher behind the chimneys and then it
goes to a flat roof uh in the middle the
front ridge uh of that is 35 feet six
inches
um where then it goes back to 37 feet 10
inches in the middle with the angle of
view from the sidewalk that flat roof
the slope that's needed won't be
visible unless you're
elevated quite a bit right
that size and scale fits into
the adjoining or the neighboring
houses that are existing on that block
today
if we
go to there's a roof plan as well if we
if you have questions about that we can
circle back to that roof plan
um
the house itself um although it fits
within zoning guidelines for size
setbacks um
and all of the regulations from in the
zoning code um the house does sit
slightly further north on the lot um
you know within the guidelines within in
proposing a structure here that fits
within them we also wanted to work to
try and preserve there's a really large
tree uh that sits sort of you can see it
just north of the
back driveway there on the upper right
um
and it has a ginormous canopy so we want
to try and work to preserve that as much
as possible while still fitting within
uh the setback bounds
of the new proposed structure
uh we're also uh in this um proposing
that there's a shared use agreement
between the two properties for the curb
cut so that we're not adding one and
then uh
the two garages once you get back into
the site we'll diverge to one garage to
the south and one to the north
the existing pool house
exterior and pool area that is there now
no proposed changes
for review um
there's a lot going on like what's going
on so if you guys have questions i can
circle back and help to try and answer
those
i i just asked if there was
photos of the existing blue house
seeing such proximity in the back and
yeah
there it is you can't see it yeah
so that is the little that's the full
house i'm seeing if there's that's the
primary existing house we saw that a few
years ago right yeah there it is there
it is yeah there it is
yeah the cool house at the time got a
variance um just with ownership changes
a lot at that time um
and was granted uh it was sort of an
irregular sequence where the pool house
was proposed and approved uh before
there was a primary structure on the lot
right i think there was a note about
that lot because there was no primary
structure couldn't be conveyed
independently at the time because i
didn't want somebody to just buy a pool
house um
so
in part of this we're
proposing that primary structure uh for
that and so there's no changes to it um
it's not maybe so pertinent but the one
change to the uh
parcel configuration or the historical
parcel configuration is the lot line in
between uh
the existing house in the proposed lot
is shifted three feet north and that is
simply to maintain a 12-foot setback
from the existing house uh which is the
current zoning code regulation
distance for um the sony area
we wanted to make sure that once split
we weren't creating another variance
condition whether it be with the
existing house with with the carriage
house
and so that was
an effort just to clean things up
anything else
ah all right well um let me ask is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about this application before we
go to the board members
if yes please come forward and be sworn
in please state your name erica mcintyre
do you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you
hi i live at the property just north
so i'm at 172 south columbia avenue um
what i don't understand about this plan
is colombia is i think one of the
premier streets in bexley there are no
shared use driveways at all on columbia
not north not south
so i don't understand why there is a
shared driveway i think that that goes
against what columbia stands for and the
beauty of the street
i think the other thing is by putting
this house here it's going to lower the
property value of my house the house to
the south and the neighbors across the
street we are all against this prop this
is happening
thirdly what i don't understand is that
people that are um designing this house
they want to build a compound for their
family
the
parents want to live in this house at
they're building they want to put their
adult daughter wife and child in the
other house and put their son in the
carriage house
and i don't think that compounds exist
in bexley and i don't understand
if this is the right place i don't know
to talk about a compound or
if that's in zoning or when that's ever
discussed but to build it two
multi-million or to have two
multi-million dollar houses with a
shared driveway
on columbia i think it's going to be
very difficult
to sell those houses if they ever decide
to leave
um
and i don't think it's i don't think
it's bexley to have a compound of three
houses of all family members again all
the houses in bexley the big houses
schattenstein's no one has a
three comp three houses there and i
don't know about this garage edition
if it's for someone to live in is that
allowed in bexley that you just have
a one of your people live in the garage
and one lives in
the house and one lives in the other
house so i don't know if this is the
venue for this conversation or a good
zoning i'm happy to speak to that
sorry
we do have in-laws suites which are
can be used by members of the family and
they're allowed in specific zoning
districts which in this district they
are
able to
provide
we don't
designate who can live in what homes
however as far as the zoning goes each
one of these individual properties could
have
their own driveway and i guess they're
trying to maintain the existing
landscaping that's there we do have
shared driveways all throughout bexley
typically there are easement agreements
just to make sure people don't build
fences to divide and prevent someone
from accessing their property but they
could also come back later and add a
separate drive
to to
you know
service each home individually however
they have chosen not to it's not
necessarily a requirement that i'm aware
of
um and the size of the lot
actually complies with the current
zoning code so typically this would go
to council if it did not meet the zoning
code but because it does it does go to
the zoning board for the review what's
happening
so
it's fine that a family is putting three
different family units on one lot with a
shared driveway with no
view to the future of when they leave
how they're going to sell it or what
they're going to do
and they're it's fine for someone to
live in the garage apartment if that's
an existing situation
and they could have easement agreements
in perpetuity so that future homeowners
are aware when they do purchase that
there are certain regulations of what
they can and can't do with the drive or
they may remove that drive and put two
separate drives in and that would if it
needs code would simply go to the
building department
i just
i hope you as a board
think about what bexley represents and
what the state of columbia represents to
bexley and what we
what we want it to look like
and is that is that what you all want in
30 years are you going to be proud of
having approved this project that has
one shared driveway for three families
to live on it where that doesn't exist
in bexley and
i just
it doesn't feel
doesn't feel right for me as a citizen
effectively the last thing i'll say is
um
because the pool is going with this
structure the proposal is to move the
pool equipment which is currently next
to the garage that they want to build
move that move a generator to the north
side they want to put all the heating
and air conditioning on
the north side so basically every loud
instrument that they have the generator
the pool equipment the heating and the
air is going to be directly on the back
line on our property where we have a
pool
and our outdoor eating area so
thank you
thanks
so can i ask you a question then before
you um
if i mean that that could affect how you
use your backyard are you asking that it
be moved yes i do not want the pool
equipment i don't want the generator and
i don't want the heating in the air on
the north side
okay
i do not think that it's right to when
we had an agreement with mr clemser
originally that he would not build on
that lot he agreed we agreed with the
pool we didn't bite the pool his pool
equipment was next to the garage
he never
planned on developing it that's why the
pool equipment is next to the garage
because he never was planning on
building
this he's now doing it because mr
fankhauser the deal is contingent on mr
finkhauser on michael getting this
through so that fang hauser can buy the
house to have himself and his wife live
there the daughter her wife and the
child there and his son in the garage
and i
so this board cannot um
comment about how people live or where
they live
what we can comment on is the
architecture
um and so the placement of you know some
of the mechanicals and stuff is part of
the architecture
so um we can also the shared driveway
there is not a i hear you and i
understand that there's shared driveways
in all of bexley they aren't on columbia
there's not a single shared driveway on
north columbia or south columbia i don't
know why they can't at least do two
different driveways there it's just
from a design perspective we would
actually encourage and be happy that
they would maintain as much green space
that's very well we would love the green
space and that's what we've had and
that's what 100 years has been there
yeah but this is the buildable lot so
this is this but for 100 years it has
been green space and it's their lot and
they have a right to totally zoning and
that's what they're intending yeah so i
would just have you think also about if
there was a separate drive
it might be right along your property
line
at least that wouldn't have their
dormers looking over into myself yeah
i'm just saying that
just the fact that it is a shared
driveway there is some benefit
because a redesign that includes two
driveways it's just more intrusion into
the green space and probably along your
property line and
perhaps the garage doors you know they
could have all kinds of negative
implications for you
if if
that were changed so
um
the driveway situation
it might not be to your benefit to
change that
it might not be but if we change the
driveway maybe mr pankauser wouldn't
want to buy it
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all right thank you
is there anyone else in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application
yeah kathy elsewhere
you solemnly swear or from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth
i just wanted to add on to the driveway
thing i think
i've never met anyone that wants to buy
a house with a shared driveway people
that do they bought the house because it
was available and they kind of have to
buy the house because there's not much
mini house right so i think what we're
getting ready to do is build a situation
that's fulfilling a use case it's very
short term we have an individual that
wants this setup
but i'm going to speak for buyers down
the line who want this house i know they
can go in and build a new driveway but
the live
this is not set up to have two driveways
in the future i do think there's it's
designed in such a way that they can
split you know they are splitting the
lots and eventually these houses are
going to be sold separately
in 50 years or 20 years whatever it may
be
and i i just speak for the future buyer
who's going to look at this and say
where do i put the other driveway
and and it is it does devalue if you're
gonna spend three three million five
million bucks on a house
and you're like i don't wanna share
driveway if i'm gonna drop that kind of
money on a house
so anyway i just wanted that to be
considered i do think speaking for the
future i see this board as looking
long-term on behalf of not only this
this fire but also the future buyers the
future citizens
thank you thank you
is there anyone else
please state your name kelly zev fam
do you follow me swear from the
testimony you're about to give the cd is
the truth i do
what's your register 209 south columbia
just west of the i'm sure property
tonight can't agree more with our my
neighbors the mcintyres it's a beautiful
building a house i mean you can't deny
the dark texture it's more so the
concern of the value of the properties
the driveway does not make sense there's
not a single shared driver in colombia
as they said
we know it's for
a compound
today but is that going to be first of
all compound what we want in vexilary
that's not the right thing i think at
all on columbia but also the shared
driveway does not make any sense it's
right being new north close to their
house and then as they said putting all
the loud equipment on that property line
makes absolutely no sense if they have
this much land there should be ample
amount of spots to put that that affects
them and only them here not any of the
neighbors but then today i think this
devalues all of our houses if this is
approved especially in its current and
not to mention i think there was some
sort of verbal communication that this
was never going to be built upon so i
think that should be looked farther into
as well
thank you
and is there anyone else
okay uh seeing none is there a board
member that would like to go first
sure mr hire
um i just had a couple questions for you
nathan
on the elevation just kind of adding up
the numbers for the eave height
and it looks like the dorm front dormer
eaves are at about 26 feet off of the
grade
at the building
uh something like that and then the eve
the main eve is probably what um
like two and a half three feet below
that
so you're like 23
22 and a half
do you have those numbers yeah
um
i've got
the primary
eve
or the uh dormer eaves
are
we
not off of zero zero but off of the
grade in front of the house
i'm i'm
asking this question for public record
because
we've been trying to consistently ask
applicants especially with new builds to
give us the eve heights off of grade
and here we're seeing the comparison
which is lovely i love you know being
able to compare all these houses
trusting all of your numbers
um
but the the ridge height
and i can't remember if
it was this applicant
where we had a discussion like this
previously but
no i don't think it was but the the
ridge height is important but for the
street scape the visual of the eve
height and the shadows that are cast
is
more more uh
evident or it's it's more visible so
um i think we were measuring to the top
of the plate on here it i think that it
let me see if i can pull it out if it's
on this
in any case it's lower than the adjacent
houses
yes correct
the main eve
and even with the dormer the the main
wall dormers on the front those eave
heights are additionally
lower than the houses
next door
my point being that not only have you
you know designed something that is in
scale
but the eve heights are
lower instead of higher
than your adjacent property than the
adjacent property
okay
i think that's important um maybe you
know
for public record you know the
applicants to know that
we would really like to to have that
number on the streetscape
you know i you have the median height
which i know is important on the slope
you have the ridge height
and then if it's possible to get eve
heights you know for your house the
adjacent houses but um and the grade and
the grade at the at the front of the
house oh this was like the one that we
looked at on the first floor plate is so
many inches higher than the whatever
that existing grade is we did that for
the house on parkview that uh was going
to be
demoed that you were doing the uh
replacement for
the um
the
we went out and scanned the grades so
all the dimensions that were showing
here from existing grade right at this
point so now to clarify to get up to the
two eve heights um
that's certainly something that we can
note on this building and also the
adjacent ones for clarity yeah
those would go into the final documents
that are
oh yeah great for the record can you
repeat what you just said for the person
who does the minutes about scanning the
grade height can you say that again yes
so
when we went out you know there we had
the
this parcel surveyed um to understand
the grades along with all the other
parameters of what that would be we
needed to anyway to propose the new lot
split as well so we're going off of the
undisturbed existing grade height uh at
the front of the house as it exists now
so the you know not building up from
that the dimensions shown uh for this
house the house to the south and our
scans at least from on the two extreme
ends are all
using the existing grade height
measurements correct and we can add that
dimension um
to you know the documentation absolutely
uh to help understand where it sits
within that because you're right it's a
it's lower it sort of oscillates between
lower and then some on the main one and
then maybe lower or slightly higher on
the dormers and
the number of steps from the
final grade which is going to be very
similar to the current grade
is
two steps
we've got that one on the elevation it
looks like two
is that we're going to pull this out
is it 20 if it's 24 we're gonna have
uh
two
three
and then yeah that threshold into the
house yeah okay i just
you know for for uh for the um meeting
minutes i think it's important that we
document that yeah um yeah we would want
four steps it's 24
inches up 24 inches from grade to finish
floor existing first floor in the front
existing grade meaning what will be the
new proposed finish grade to the new
first floor correct got it
great and um
my uh
are the
these are um
are these bronze windows are these metal
windows that you're using uh we have
we're insulate those insulated metal
windows from braun or braunfell or
whatever that company is the windows
overall uh are marvin
uh modern series except for the front
and back door
or similar we're considering those two
locations um to either be marvin modern
product which is very
in look it's very much the same but if
there's a material change it would be in
arcadia
uh
thermally thermal aluminum are they in a
bronze they are bronze color
and and that was added on the material
sheet
um that we can
probably take a look at too if there's
questions on that yeah i mean i was you
were talking about the bronze canopy and
honestly i i would
i would second guess that um
just because is the rest of the house is
going to be more of a natural stone or
kind of a gray color probably
and then you have this you'll have this
big dark canopy
and i mean i look at the elevations and
to me it reads stone you know that
something should be stone there it's
the bronze i think is i've seen other
houses
that have put up these canopies metal
canopies and the color schemes work for
the rest of the house but for some
reason it just
in elevation it's this thin thing but
then in three dimensions looking up at
it it's really this big floating bronze
plate so i would i would uh i can
understand that look at look again at
that and then
i mean
my only other comment is
um
in terms of the mechanicals on the on
the north side is is it is there a way
to move or screen these
units
yeah absolutely for noise for visibility
for
um
with the
lot
separation uh the pool equipment does
need to move uh you know it's proposed
to be in the north uh
side uh within the limits of the zoning
guidelines where equipment can go you
know um
for the pool equipment and for a
condenser and for generator the two
condensers that are on the north side of
the property um
are within the bounds of where those are
allowed to be placed and actually that
there is a requirement that they have to
be screened applications so we would
need to follow that from the building
codes
is the uh if you go back to the site
plan is the dashed rectangle the
generator
yes
i think so so one suggestion would be
that the garage north wall or elevation
could turn into a garden wall of the
same material as the garage or something
like that you know that would instead of
being a perforated screen that could be
like a solid
garden wall of some kind yes absolutely
i mean we're back in the side yard at
that point um with that with that
equipment it's you know we want to be
careful uh just what goes there we'll
have a clearance uh for airflow around
those but that um
garden wall can be up to 68 or 72 inches
right i mean i'm saying that this
whatever happens here yeah could be
could be an extension of the garage
aesthetic
and be solid so that all this stuff is
sound and visual it's
invisible to the neighbor focus back and
then what about these units here do
these will these have screens yeah they
would be required to
absolutely
um
but i can see as a device as well we
have wing walls at the front of the
house we can consider that um type of
approach to
an extension of the north wall garage to
be
either you know certainly a similar
material but if we look at that i mean
here yeah yeah there's sort of a
precedent for that right in new york can
you definitely see wingwell's
assembly in bexley that would be a great
solution bill yeah
yeah and then and then and then the
the only other um in response to the
comment about the drive i mean this is a
zoning issue that has been
handled by zoning it's handled by the
city of bexley
um the only comment i would have about
that in response to the comments
is that the onus would be if these lots
were ever split that the onus would be
on the southern property
not this property because um
this property has tons of room for a
driveway
but the south property would be the one
that has the problem and that's an
existing structure
so it's almost like the problem already
existed
you know before this was even proposed
correct and and we had uh certainly
talked about it but from the design
standpoint um you know certainly
sensitivity as much as we can to how
we're treating this law in this location
um
was part of the discussion and there's
there is room um if this ever was
you know just
let's say you know 50 years down the
road there's two different families or
maybe
two families of the same larger family
there there's room to put a second drive
in there to the south of the proposed
house um to facilitate that if there was
more privacy or separation wanted at
that time
why was why is the proposed property
line
um
where it is rather than further north
uh
we we were going to the first intent was
to just historically
have it along the property lines that
were there but with the current zoning
code we need to be 12 have a 12 foot
side yard to the north of existing house
here yeah and so that
you know
we move that three feet so that that
side dart setback could be maintained
under current zoning code um
so it was sticking to as much as as
closely as we could with the conditions
that are existing there now uh to
maintain that lot
12 feet is not a lot for a driveway
especially with larger vehicles oh yeah
i mean and it was 12 feet originally a
long time ago before that drive was put
in
a minimum driveway width is actually
eight feet yeah i know but
up to 12 and a half anything larger than
that requires a variance
yeah and um
you know we've uh discussed this uh
issue before as well um
that you know
pool equipment relocation pool equipment
runs at
56 decibels which is the
the same as a dishwasher
in your house
so it's really just the view of them
that is the problem
being able to see them
i mean you're talking about this this
this unit here or these pool equipment
that would be relocated there yeah
right so this screen wall would actually
come out
too are these just no these are just no
blocks yeah this is the generator right
the pool equipment goes here yeah right
that is practical and is that a
generator for the entire house or is
that the generator for the pool
that's a generator it's it's for the
residents for the residents so that
kicks in when we lose our electric yeah
and
yeah
those generators are typically
self-contained in a box right not a
portable and are much quieter than the
portable ones but
you know
yeah i would agree that the screen wall
would be go a long ways to help them my
question you haven't you're proposing a
plunge pool
not in this application not in this
application but also potentially
iteration it's
this is early on the design process sure
i understand
uh but with the what looks like a
landscape wall i think in your
elevations maybe it shows up as a stucco
wall but i'm not sure if that's the case
i think if
if that uh concept moves forward
certainly that would be something yeah
and i totally understand that i think uh
so i think you know there's there's some
screening going on on the north side of
this property that for future amenities
for this house uh so i think the ask of
screening obviously screening the hv ac
equipment in the middle of the house
uh would be prudent um and required of
course and then extension of the wall on
the off the garage would also be very
appropriate i find it i find it
interesting that the pool equipment
location appears to be closer to the
north
lots pool than the pool for this i mean
that space to the east of the end of the
garage
is you know is space that is would be
planted up that equipment can
exist in there uh one for functionality
but two uh with considerations
brought up you know that can uh be
arranged uh maybe so it's not errored uh
as far north for sure yep okay
i didn't want to jump in no no no so
you're saying that this equipment could
be placed
further south yeah and then the screen
wall would be set back or something so
that the garage doesn't seem too long
yeah this is that's that's quite a long
elevation even if you're extending it
you know just totally agree yeah no i
think stepping it and having it be a
lower wall there um how low
how how high of a wall do you need for
that equipment to screen it properly
i mean i think it would be a six foot
wall that would be uh especially if it
was coming off the house or meant to
look like it would be a stucco well
as a any sort of screening along that
side i think that would be the approach
that we take
and um so
i'll hand it over to uh the other
board members but in terms of the
streetscape
um
you know i i don't live in this
neighborhood i live in in a very
different kind of baxley neighborhood
but i've been up and down these streets
enough taking my kids to school at csu
st charles places like that and
um
as much as i appreciate you know people
who have lived here and have seen this
for so long
as an architect i'm looking at this site
plan i'm looking at this
uh these elevations and i still see
bexley
and i know that's not a personal history
but it's an architectural one it's my
looking at these you know there's so
many streets in bexley where we see all
these l-shaped houses they just stack up
one after another down a street
um
throughout bexley and so
to me
uh it's it seems very natural uh and
especially with the proportions of the
eaves and the things we talked about at
the beginning
um
again that's just um i would say an
outsider's
point of view looking at the aesthetics
of this lot
and not someone who's lived on the
street for
you know 40 50 60 years so and with that
all handed over
to uh
other board members yeah you know i i
just want to agree with you on that bill
because
when you
it it does feel like something's missing
uh on the streetscape and if we're gonna
fill in with something
i'd like to have it be an excellent
piece of architecture and not
you know a not not so great uh addition
to the streetscape
i was curious about
i don't i can't pull for some reason my
pad's not working but i think the what
the
the windows
on the street facing or
um
pained windows and in the back they're
not that have the more modern feel can
you talk to me about that
that decision yeah i mean
we're looking at this um and at this
point the
front facade windows are proposed with
horizontal ones
uh the windows on the north and south
beyond those wing walls
at this point are proposed without and
just more open same window style
just a design consideration
um that we can talk about but that was
just the approach uh for how to treat
these in this case
mr oscar do you have anything else no
mr scott
i agree with and i i've chimed in a
little bit with the discussion about the
north side and the noise control i think
it's gonna be something very important
to handle
um
especially when
this particular house you know is that
looking to do some private amenities
right that dunk tank is a very private
kind of
thing to do it looks looks like it's
coming off of
the private side of the house so i know
exactly how the inside is laid out
um so i think you know it's not
all asked to continue to look at that
and really look at noise control and and
i think it sounds like you're in
agreement that we'll be continuing to
look at you'll look at that and develop
that
the the
notion of a single access drive to
almost a
all the way into the back of the
property connection point between the
two houses i think is
is where
um
looking at these these overall site
plans i do agree
uh with mr kyre's comments earlier that
the southern property uh adding a
driveway to that property would be very
difficult
because of either it's going to run on
along the south side of that property
right at the property line to the
neighbor's house in the south
and it would actually be right up
against the house at that point
which is not preferred um i think
there's some there's some hardships and
looking at it as a design aspect and
planning aspect
um so if if that's true and we say okay
let's entertain the idea of doing a
single driveway
i would want to celebrate this the
separation of the driveway by pulling
that separation out a little further to
the front
um not at the front right we would
probably still want to look at doing a
single curb cut but
the way when it's when it's separated so
far in the back and i get you have it
right at the back corner of the proposed
edition
it does feel you know the the word we're
starting out tonight it's kind of like a
compound more that you have this kind of
large
um private auto court um pool house and
garage carriage house um that very it
feels like it's it's one property
and i think there is there is a start to
that separation where you've kind of
pulled that island between the two
drives
uh and i i think there's some space
there where you could potentially
stretch that further to the to the west
to really kind of
you come off the street at one drive but
then you've kind of split off and there
are examples actually in north bexley of
a single entry where you split off into
multiple
multiple properties
so
you know there is there is precedent
especially in this type of a context
within bexley neighborhoods um
i would worry that adding two driveways
are a lot of hardscape getting to the
back of these long properties so
um but i think there's a better a better
way to kind of celebrate that separation
as you come back off that single entry
i think i would love to see you kind of
explore that option
uh and then i think overall i think the
the design of the home is uh is very
well done i did have you know sometimes
there's one kind of like huh i wonder
what options you looked at and it's
really above this it's the dormer the
window on the second floor above the
front entry you have these very
symmetrical
uh wings to the to the the massing of
the structure with the chimney on the
left and on the right
and then you have these two two windows
second floor windows on the left
flanking the chimney um
two on the right and then the exact same
dormers kind of sitting over the front
entry and i i think it's great i would
wonder what other exploration could be
done there or thought of maybe that is a
little bit different because it is over
the entry or it's between these two
masses i'm not saying that this was
wrong and i think in the end if this was
something that you know we were done and
i probably wouldn't have a huge
objection to it but i i'd be interested
in continuing to explore that to see if
there was a little bit more
uh you know maybe bill
looking at me like he disagrees entirely
but uh that was one of my pause moments
i'm looking at the overall i really
don't have any criticism i think really
at first i was a little bit concerned i
love that you're going to use the real
kind of limestone details around the
entry touch points and and the little
details on the end
um and i get the reason to do kind of a
smooth a smooth stucco finish at the
coins versus a little bit more of the
rougher around i'm assuming the kind of
uh boxed chimneys two story chimney is a
smooth
inside rougher outside correct other
color shifts to those
no same color different texture yep
yeah the the window above the door you
know as a centralized sort of entry on
the front and back the you know the
other consideration in this uh just as a
note as well is you know that central
facade is stepped back from the so
it's kind of it changes the condition of
it slightly but it also differentiates
you know uh
the same type of dormer in a different
condition i'd say true and that's all
strong arguments and i think it for me
it was just one of those kind of looking
at the overall composition of that
elevation and i do understand you know
the massing of the buildings and it's
not an objection at all i think it's
just more of a curiosity of other
options or something that maybe it's
very french it's very french style
it is and it's appropriate i think it's
just for me looking at it as one of
those moments where i would probably
explore different things but uh you know
it's probably my own personalities
um but i think overall that's
that's all i have to say on them
um okay so it's my turn um i think the
architecture is amazing
i think your quality of materials is
the best you can get between the stucco
the stone the slate and the copper
i think that the single driveway
saves trees
by doing one driveway down there you
don't have to
remove a bunch of trees on the lot so
um
i think there is quite a few shared
driveways in baxter so i don't have a
problem with the shared driveway at all
i think it's very friendly actually
um and i think that you are been a
little bit genius in the keeping your
uh eaves heights
so that you're actually lower slightly
lower slightly higher than the house
next to you and um the use of the flat
roof to be able to do that
i think is
genius we try so hard on new builds
to not have them end up as skyscrapers
and
you've i think you've done a wonderful
job here so good it's a very steep roof
just in coordinating with the
pool house
um so it's almost a good necessity at
that point yeah i i think it's all very
lovely so
um my only question was about the the
fact that you had all the millions in
the windows on the front and then uh
didn't have any lines in the windows on
the sides and
rear
um what's the point are you trying to
make it more contemporary on the back
and sides or
um just with the sides and back that
starts to become you know more of the
personal space outside and getting as
much you know clear view out light you
know with the you know forthcoming
landscape plan just being able to have a
strong connection to the outside in
those places um and then
having those uh
muttons on the front facade uh just
presents a more formal uh facade of the
street as you drive down the street and
you're looking at it in three dimension
are you going to be seeing
windows with millions and windows
without you probably get a glimpse of it
and i think that's
somewhat dependent on uh the planting
that happens to the set like the
landscape plan to the south um
you know that's you know also an uh more
private outdoor space so the planting
there uh will reflect that as well but i
i think that you would get a glimpse of
that yes
that's where i was going with the same
question
it sits back pretty far
right i'm thinking you know as people
are walking down the street and they're
seeing that side
particularly on the driveway side which
is more open
i mean i
i do question whether that's the best
decision i know we've had other houses
that have done it on the rear yeah
where they've traded three sides like
the front and then the rear has been
yeah
but um that's my only question it's a
good question to ask because i think
also when you look at the pictures of
the streetscape let's not say it's from
the sidewalk but
in preserving the green line with
keeping the single curve cut there
um there is
quite a bit of screening that uh is that
exists um which adds a lot of layering
to this and you know along this block
those houses are set back so far as well
that it does give a lot of breathing
room uh to the sidewalk in the
streetscape
so one point of clarification on that
south property line of this
proposal
the reason why it's not further to the
north is so that you avoid a variance
for the house or well we did not want
the lot split to trigger
a contemporary variance for historical
condition
so we are proposing to move that lot
line three feet up to get the
side yard setback required today for the
existing house
but you could move it further
you move it further this one most
closely represents the
the lot
as it you know was divided up previously
um
and also balancing out you know what you
know what coverage is all sorts of
zoning conditions for that you know i
think we look down the road and
let's say it's 50 years or something
like that um and a house gets conveyed
uh you know the
seller at some point will recognize the
current market value to
either
putting in another drive separating it
um
you know at this point we're just trying
to preserve what is there use it make it
as useful as possible
um but certainly allowing the space for
that to happen again whether it's a use
variance that needs to be granted to the
south property in perpetuity to put in a
parallel drive to the north i mean
there's there's a lot of ways to skin
that cat right that's all sort of uh
you know ifs at this point right and
frankly that's a that's a zoning board
issue is so this says proposed property
line so i assume this is still in
process
uh the property
as the separation of the property in
bexley's eyes uh needs to be approved by
the visa
and so we're going to them
with this just a lot split no other
variances associated with it for clarity
so if any further discussion about this
lot line should just be
that's for bzap to handle yes and i
think they're gonna see this uh video
you know before they have their meeting
so at least they're going to hear the
comments from the public and also the
comments from this board about concern
about
the north side of this property and the
south side with the with the drive so
and we'll additionally talk about the
previous variants granted when the
original full house and poll were
constructed on a separate lot it's
actually going to be an amendment to
that previous variance
as part of that lot split but the do
lots do meet the criteria for the r3
zoning district right
not to belabor this but if the driveway
was
the lot line was constructed so that the
driveway as proposed
was on the existing house property
right so you flip the line
right
does that
impede
the footprint of the proposed new house
you know it may get closer
um i think that it gets pretty close in
that case i mean one of the other
considerations for this too is um
you know this that this drive that is
exists there now is wider than currently
is allowed by zoning code as another way
just to preserving you know that like
instead of having
two drives or have that be fall on
uh
the other lot
i think you could and this is just how
we approach i'm not suggesting it to two
driveways my thought was if in
let's say five years let's say five
years not 50 years five years the
property sold
um
it just seems like another driveway
uh just to the north i think right but
this this driveway
would be less intrusive on
than on the other the neighbors right
instead of running a driveway on this is
this north south yeah instead of running
the driveway on the south side of the
existing
property which is very close to those
neighbors
you can't do it to the north but it
seems like the logical if someone wanted
a separate driveway would be
just to the north of that driveway
and if the
existing driveway was tied
to the lot
of the existing house
i don't know maybe that's a better
solution
for in the future
yeah
but also that lies with the homeowner
the two right and how that's conveyed in
the future how they
choose to
move that or allow access
sorry
any driveway modifications that would
affect uh
city right-of-way plantings
would then have to go to a tree
commission for review and
i think the i think the concerns of the
board this board
are
publicly noted and the bzap will have a
chance to review this and
make their own determination um with you
with the applicant
so the question is do you want
to
move ahead with conditions
of all the things or do you want to see
it again
i'm fine i'm fine voting on it me too
i'm prepared to vote
and you're going to be zap
this this coming
like two weeks or whatever simply for
the loss and do you have to have
approval of this before you go to bees
app so that you can say that you've
got this design
approved or um i think i think in any
case uh if there's a contingency
where you know they could approve that
lot split contingent they'll be granted
contingent on the approval of the
architecture right so there's two ways
to go about it we are particularly good
to prove we can go
or if that is not um
the lot split isn't a key aspect
of the arb is concerned then
it could move ahead independently i
think i would state it as approval is
subject
it's further
subject to approval of a lot split by
the board of zoning employees yeah
at which hearing i would encourage
public who have had comments to
to go
to make further comments because they're
the ones that really review the property
lines and the roadways not required
and i do have every confidence that in
this case it will happen the changes
that i've taken a lot of notes on will
be done
will be represented by visa yeah they're
independent applications but it'll be
helpful to have these changes already
yeah though
i would feel comfortable approving this
conditioned on
the applicant working with the design
consultant to
finalize
enhanced screening opportunities around
the pool equipment and the generator
and um
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subject to that i've
i'm ready to vote
yeah i think that the screening comments
are
completely makes sense i i don't think
there'll be any issue for us to comply
and work through that to make sure
uh with city staff i mean that's those
are fairly minor and i won't ask for the
front dormer to be a condition on the
end
i'm interested in
in
how because i think you're going to
continue to develop the site plan the
landscape plan
i hope you look at the driveway i would
love
to see how that shakes out but that's a
little outside the building so
for me
the building design is solid i think and
i think the applicant is very receptive
to the discussion about noise control
blocking of the north property seeing
any sort of equipment
and
i think we have to let these app do
their job uh based on the applicant's
proposal and
um
everybody else i don't think we have any
jurisdictions specifically over that
driveway um but i think our comments
have been stated here tonight and
our concerns we've obviously heard from
uh the neighbors um and i think there's
there's things that um can be done that
you know through design and we'll
address some of that or balance that and
soften them
so
yeah and i would just reiterate looking
at that canopy again
and i mean all the other materials are
so beautiful and i just i worry about
this big bronze thing you know
i mean i i think that is
as that gets developed that's a very
important consideration
it's not it's not a condition it's just
a
suggestion but
would you like to go to a vote though um
yes
is there a board member that will
remember i'm sorry will you read the
finding the facts i'm sorry
the findings attacked and decision of
the board for application number
arb-22-45 for property located at 216
south columbia the board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued with the following conditions
approval is subject to further review
and approval of a lot split by the board
of zoning and planning
landscape plans to be reviewed by the
public tree and public garden commission
first floor elevation
should be 24 inches
existing grade height to be provided and
maintained
wing walls to be added on the east end
of the garage to screen the generator
and final design to be reviewed and
approved by the city design consultant
do you understand the findings the facts
that's
right
is there a board member that would like
to make a motion
i'll make the motion
i'll second
call the roll
uh mr scott
yes
ms strasser yes
mr heyer yes
adam tony yes
you are approved
thank you very much thank you
okay the next application is arb number
22-46 the address is 698 south passing
ham the applicant is darrell haas the
owner is daryl and paula haas the
applicant is seeking a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning for
architectural review and approval
and a certificate of appropriateness for
a variance for a one-story addition at
the rear of the house
and karen has a staff report okay um
this application um
is in front of you for a recommendation
to be zapp
um
i have no issue at all with this
um application
just to clarify things like eve's
matching the house thank you
and yeah already told the applicant that
would be one of the conditions
um
the eaves match all the details matching
the house and the clarification of the
cited lap siding size and color
um some details that just needed to be
clarified um the drawings are i
think they're great
um i do have an additional drawing to
show you
that
i i don't know how it kind of got lost
and everything i don't think i have it
oh there it is i did upload it so one
doesn't have a dorm and one does yeah so
um
as long as that dormer is
forward-facing but i'm facing this
minimum or well there's a variation yeah
i can work with the applicant outside of
this but as long as the dormer doesn't
need a variance as long as it's
not wider than thirty percent well look
at it but um
it's fine
for the for that to be added into the
the arb portion of this
um
if it's okay with the board
it was kind of a confusion over where
this
um addition to the drawing was added i
think it was
emailed or
texted to me but not i'm downloaded on
the website so i wanted to sure so in
addition to the addition they're also
requesting
a recommendation on the garage because
that is a variance due to the height for
sure the height yes the dormer
would not cause the variance
and here's the original
what's the new height on the ground
i believe the heights didn't change it's
the applicant here
it's a 22-foot max but it's nineteen six
what's the
what's the height it's 18 right it is
18. they have 20 max but the code has
been changed
624 square feet but i'm not sure about
the
the limits on the width of the
shed dormer yeah i love these drawings
by the way do we have a drawing that
shows the garage is new correct
right we have a do we have a drawing
drawing of that garage from all sides uh
yeah please state your name starting
with you sir daryl haas
you sir mike
please raise your right hands do you
solemnly swear or from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth
yes thank you
see ya i'm just
with my man i'll just uh
preface uh daryl's been my neighbor for
22 years he's lived in this residence
for 46 years uh this design here is
expressing their desire to be able to
stay in the house for many many years in
the future so lovely home um you can see
the style um you can see the plan and
design is to go to the back it's a house
that is fairly constrained so i think
that the folks residential and science
solutions have come up with a nice idea
um matching a floor plan of what they
want for one floor living
moving more to the side to mound streets
i think this is the key elevation to
take a look at there is a side load
garage that's existing it is uh not the
best structure so this would be um also
we had a site visit with karen we asked
for her insights so we were basically
actually asking for a review on things
that may or may not be even included
because we wanted to hear your point of
view including the sun deck was an
option the dormer i guess would be an
option so we just would love to hear
some feedback on that if it's it's a big
bone of contention nobody wants to fight
over those things we also wanted to kind
of render the fencing and some other
things with the landscape as well and
just get some feedback on that so that
that was very good thank you
are you maintaining 10 feet between the
proposed detached garage in addition
uh it'll be more than 10. okay
eyeballing it looks like it might be
also what's the width of the shed dormer
proposed
on the garage on the ground uh that has
not been determined
okay this was a kind of somewhat of an
afterthought that's why i i had these
drawn
i
sent the uh something to karen and i
think it may have gone i actually
sketched that myself just so you'd see
what i'm talking about what i want to
find out is what is allowable
and then i'm going to then i'll make the
decision we looked at that and i'm like
if she asked it was out there before i'm
like i don't think it was so yeah that
was oh that's not on there that's so
this is an addendum that i did really to
to uh see if it's would be permitted
if it's not that's like as mike said
it's it's okay it's i'm
not 100 sure something we're going to do
anyway or we can figure out what what
does work and meets current right yeah
it's complete more food and you need to
set that for foot on each side
on each side for 16 or 12. you might be
able to work with karen my own mm-hmm
yeah is that normal to utilize the rnd
is that dormer to utilize the second
floor of a garage yes
mr scott you want to just keep going
with questions
if they're done
we want to hear yeah is there anything
else you have to add um
i thought i could think i'm ready for
questions and then maybe i'll think
something you want to just make sure
there's no public comment yeah is it on
the next neighborhood
yeah
yeah and i know you're here for the
application that we had to skip over to
come back to right
yes okay
go ahead mr scott you're up
um
i i i agree with
with staff that the drawings are great i
love that they have notes and you're
explaining what's going on i see that
there's a couple options
while the dormer we just talked about
the it looks like there's an option of
maybe doing a
sun deck yes on the second floor
so there would be the option of
making that obviously the lowest roof
with a deck over the top and a railing
to complement the fencing
yeah you know the the aspect of adding
that type of an amenity at this type of
uh back court because you're really
you're looking like you're paving most
of the back actually the entire back
there yes right so there's no grass no
green space at all well no there will be
a little bit but it's uh
i think yeah it's on the sides yes yeah
so i don't know anything about the
requirements for that uh but uh
so you're gonna have a lot of hardscape
i mean i know you have a side off east
mountain street the driveway into the
garage which i think is great um
so i kind of like the little
balcony the sun deck up there because of
the connection from that second floor to
this kind of this kind of
amenity in the backyard space that
you're making and i'm sure based on
looking at some of the photos you know
you're going to have that
you know packed in with lots of good
cool little things going on right and i
don't and frankly i don't think we'll
probably use that sun deck a lot reason
uh i i like the looks of it um i we will
use it occasionally i also thought it
would could make the house more saleable
in the future especially some people you
know they look at that and maybe they
could leak so yeah
it's
it's one of six and one half dozen of
the other i just like that it starts to
connect that you know because what your
other proposal is is is just above a low
sloped roof it's a very shallow roof so
to me that's architecturally i'd rather
see a little bit more of a decorative
nice you know contextual railing up
there to me kind of softens that facade
and connects you to that stepping of
that massing down to that hardscape of
the ground
um
there's a little bit of
proportioning going on with your a12
roof on the the little edition
um
and on one side
that's kind of cute and another i feel
like the windows are a little pushed out
and i don't know exactly what's going on
on the inside of that space i think
that's more conditioned for the inside
space that is the bedroom to separate
master
begins right the headboard or big king
size headboard fits in between and
there'll be nightstands i feel like that
in this drawing again i know it's a hand
drawing which i'd actually appreciate
those windows feel a little large maybe
a little wide i think you want to really
look at the proportion of the existing
windows
and i think you want to
emulate that a little bit i know you
don't obviously it's addition it's going
to be separate from the the brick of the
house but um you definitely don't want
to to put huge windows there that are
misproportioned from the existing house
they won't work i agree i was thinking
that
um
but i would imagine that's something
that we could be working through with
the design consultant absolutely
obviously your book was a wedding glass
just this poly made me say that yeah it
would be leaded glass on all windows
guaranteed leaded windows well it's or
they're letting it apply let it apply we
talked about that even though my wife
still thinks they should be leaded but
i'm we're going to work on that
i haven't applied way we talked
i can't even tell i need to show it to
her somewhere yeah one of my neighbors
on bryden they did that in their screen
their sun porch
it's amazing it's great it is amazing
it's actual leaded tape yes and then
my last comment is you're you're you're
adding this new looks like security or
screen wall a fence along mount street
along the basically the entire length
from the front front edge of the house
to the garage
um
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there's obviously a landscape buffer
between the sidewalk which is obviously
appropriate
um
that and i know on the corner house you
it happens all over you have a fence
along the side
there's always opportunity for that
fence to be what that look and design on
that fence is is really important along
that facade because it really becomes
that wall that you see at the street
level
defense existing no it's a it's
apparently a hedge oh so you're
proposing that fence also as part of
this application
okay so
there's going to be some additional
yeah yeah so our thought after talking
to karen was you want to get your your
input on what you would like to see and
then we also know there's requirements
where the fence needs to be i think we
really want to patch into the height and
i understand but along your house
there's such a long narrow strip between
that fence in your house i don't know
what you're planning on doing in there
uh but that's a really high offense for
that so maybe you know think about the
scale of that again the opens you have
to have open space in the upper 18 to 12
inches
at the requirement of the board and the
landscape plan and what's the max height
for that
well you can put a 48 inch fence along
the property line without a variance
anything higher than 48 inches requires
a variance so along that edge you may
want to look at stepping down i just
don't know what you're planning to do in
that i'm assuming it's grass or vulture
it's an interesting condition between
the sidewalk and the fence we were well
you're sensing your house right there oh
look at the sight plane there's just a
long narrow strip of landscaping i'm
guessing or green space and any
forward-facing fence at the front of the
house also needs to be landscaped and
you've got a fence there so you might
consider some kind of a decorative gate
yes i think that's i mean if that
depending on the variances and the
things that would be aside from this
discussion i would be very interested in
seeing that fence being a little bit
more special architecture well it'll be
it'll be a wood intense
definitely cedar if not something more
exotic well but i hope it's not just a
standard like you know defense panels
it's something that's if you've seen the
invested at that location you the scale
and the proportions and the detail that
needs to be something that's more than
just the you know a couple two by fours
and cedar and some slats and i can
assure you uh it will be i know polly
will require it right there's uh
somebody's putting up a vinyl fence in
the neighborhood yeah well certainly
been commenting yeah that's gonna happen
yes but i think let me based on the
character of your house existing house
and what you're trying to do and it
sounds like what you're trying to
achieve in
in this backyard and we wanted all the
way down what i will tell you is that
they have been awesome about every
single question right well like a
text email call we've met at the site
and i'm sorry your wife's name paulie
holly will not let it not be beautiful
no doubt and again i just don't also
don't know programmatically what your
plan is on that if it's just the
connection to the backyard i get that
but again the rules that
i think some of the design will be
conditioned on where on the property
line it can be so we don't know exactly
where that's going to be in the
elevation so once we know where that is
you can probably start with that
elevation will be to not block too much
of the view and do what we want the
fence to do and then be able to design
and it certainly will probably have an
open section at the top we might we
could even separate that out because i
didn't realize that was even a part of
this application because i i think that
that that's
not determined enough and we don't want
to come later anyway so we'd like to get
feedback and make sure we're just right
so if we take defense out then i think
really the
object that i want you to maybe continue
to develop is this is that little i got
assuming that was a bedroom addition
in the back with the windows and and
just
you know i
appreciate that you kind of stepped eve
up a little bit i guess
um but i think it just feels a little at
a scale to me um so those were reduced
by like 20 percent and that they i agree
that the massing doesn't match the
windows in the existing house
yeah the windows are one issue i think
the massing is is is closed for me um i
think it's just continuing to work
through the details so we'll make that
work
what's your lot coverage all that
behavior um
it's brick yeah so having a little brick
water table too maybe
overall that's building footprint and
hardscape
and building footprints limited to 35.
yes it's calculated
were you act looking for approval
tonight because i'm not sure
that we have
enough
definitive
drawings
to approve it
are you comfortable well i i think i am
but that's your call
well the dormer's kind of
been shot but we don't have other
elevations that don't i'd like to see
that yep
on the garage yeah well and to me it
sounds like the applicant is looking for
feedback tonight which i thought
in order to make final decisions about
some design so timeline wise i don't
think we need a decision tonight but i
think we wanted direction whether it's
come back review design but we didn't
want to have to come back in a big
disconnect
no
would you consider remand back to a or b
i'd like to
because it goes to be zapped
i think that it would be uncomfortable
if you are of
recommending this to be zepp with the
requests that have come back that would
be remanded back to our architecture
review it only adds on two weeks anyway
it doesn't sound like time's an issue
that's but it only adds on two weeks and
it also gets you to the zoning if we
just if you just ask for a table you
can't go to be that i'm i'm comfortable
with that okay if it risk comes back to
us or with a request that occurred
actually at least based on what i've
seen on this middle or in the right
direction
so the existing garage you're going to
tear it down and replace it with an
all-new garage yeah it's pretty you're
just going to match the details that are
there on the existing garage or uh yes
except for the uh the dormer warmer if
if we decide to add that
right six inches of lean to one side
yeah
and so
you're interested so on your on your
drawings you're indicating that the eve
of the garage is at nine foot something
but that's above the first floor not
above grade
is that does that mean the new meet the
new garage food minimum eve height is
nine feet from grade
this is not from grade this is from
first floor that he's marked it
well that's interesting so you're you're
eve on your garage
well the night the nine foot mark is for
the addition i don't believe that's
referring to okay okay okay
well just to keep that in mind you know
when you're it does look lower it does
look lower but mark it on your drawings
because
be zapped is going to need to see that
oh and then 9-1 is also to the plate
height not the actual beef bottle
right
but the garage you have a ridge from
grade but you should also indicate the
eave height the soffit height from grade
on your garage i'm sorry what was that
requirement nine foot
i don't remember
the limit on eve
the garage the soffit yeah okay
but if it's appropriate with the
at the 19 feet nine inches i mean that's
up to this board to this this house has
been remodeled
the inside has been all remodeled before
well yeah i mean not totally but it's uh
i always see i always used to see the
dave fox truck parked outside
i live there yeah
so i just assumed that there was this
amazing interior
and but i can't
but i can't see anything because a
beautiful landscaping on the south side
of the house very private
and
for board members who aren't as familiar
with this house i walk by it all the
time
it's on my walk to work but
the sidewalk is much lower and so you
don't really need a big fence to screen
because people walking by are down
at least three or four feet
so
i would encourage you to just do you
know a standard fence that meets the the
code that's even a bigger argument first
six foot you're gonna be like nine ten
feet from the side yeah so i think the
key is that's once we know we're in the
lot line where it can be i think it's
four or five foot i don't think it's any
higher yeah and we don't know where it
is
plus his landscaping is so nice on that
south side that you won't even see the
fence right it's it's so lush
and i just can't see him i'm
i just i want to see that
that dave fox kitchen
but uh my only on the other comment is
about the
the way that the second floor deck
there's something um
i mean that that arched window that you
have there that sunroom is existing
right right and it's kind of got a
interesting you know juxtaposition with
the house
so
it doesn't bother me what i love about
this street in particular because i walk
by it i walk on it all the time
is that it has i'll just call it a kind
of german village feel where you can
look into
people's gardens and you see all of
these things that are smaller scale
which you don't get in central bexley
very much at all south bexley has
a lot of character because of this um so
and this house is a great example that
your neighbor that's caddy corner across
the street up at
montrose the blue house the the grave of
the slave slate house that's another one
and so this is a wonderful character for
this neighborhood i would encourage you
to keep
um
keep up with those little details
whether it's landscaping or a deck or
something because it they might be
quirky but they they really
make the street a looker like you're
always looking around at different
things we people do comment on the
landscaping a lot we just had someone
out uh recently do a little more
improvement in the front
area and uh
we're we've already talked he the guy
that's doing it he works
on his own but his wife is a designer
with uh oakland
yesterday and yeah we've already talked
to her about doing the
where we have it i'm showing the pavers
but we plan to do a lot of
planters pots
going for that german village sort of
yeah
and it's interesting people don't think
about south bexley as being the east
west streets they think about the north
south streets it's chelsea it's grand
and it's montrose it's casting him it's
euclare the porches on nuclear all that
but if you walk
on charles or aster or mound and you
just walk continuously along you have
all of these corner houses that have
side
fences and extensions and things and
there's so much character in all of them
and so i would just encourage you to
keep that up
and then the eaves at some point i'm
assuming these were remodeled because
they are box eaves which
it doesn't look like the original design
to me
somebody came and put architectural
metal on it yeah
and so
um on
i would just ask that on your garage and
the extensions that you if you can bring
back some of those
original details
because in this case to say match
existing
is not
it's not the right
and this is we're going to see more of
this but i would ask you to go back and
do the more historic detail i want it to
be nice and yeah but
that's one reason mike is my consultant
yeah we probably do some python stuff
that's a little more appropriate and
again whether we address
some of this that has been changed you
know in the great seventies
did you
[Laughter]
yeah
brackets on my house well
i guess on one house that's a different
the more the more natural materials the
more it's going to feel like it's part
of the you know the whole feel of this
landscaped street
all right
that's it for me
mr strasser did you have anything to add
no thank you okay i have nothing to add
to so
um at this point you want to ask to um
uh come back so you will we would ask
for a table no no we're going to ask for
a recommendation to be zapped with the
room with the requested but they'd be
remanded back okay so it's a positive it
would be a positive vote that would be a
positive vote but give me to read the
findings yes please finding the fact and
decision of the board for application
number arb dash 20 bzap 22-46 for
property located at 698 south cassingham
the board recommends designed to be
presented to the board of zoning and
planning subject to zoning approval and
remat and remand it back to the arb for
fi a final certificate of
appropriateness
did i say that right i believe you did i
think you did sounded right
uh for the proposed one-story addition
at the rear of the house in
detached garage
okay do you understand the findings of
facts the way that she
read them do you have any other
questions i guess
i don't uh what was the take on the
dormer
um
yes no maybe so it meets code
requirements well we'll we don't know
enough about it
don't have enough information since it's
going to come back
okay
okay sir overall objection no
right
i don't have an objection to it no we
just don't know we don't
talk about it well i just want to make
sure it wasn't a total objection no we
don't
know
we just have to determine if it's a
variance factor or not and then see what
it looks like
of course
okay so you understand the findings of
fact
okay is there a board member that will
make a motion please
submit
second
read the role
mr heyer
yes
mr rosser yes mr scott yes
madame tony
yes
okay good luck with these app and we'll
see you thank you thank you thank you
very much thank you
and again love the hand drunks yes love
it
yes
okay our final application for the
evening is the one that we started with
and we are coming back to now it's
application arb 22-42 the address is
2774-2776 east main street the applicant
is edward
thank you
the owner is also edward klododsky the
applicant is seeking a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning for
architectural review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for wall
art on the east facade of the building
this application is for a recommendation
visa
um for the decision
i don't know if it's a variant it's not
there um
being it's in the main street district
it's subject to the bees absolutely so
it's a recommendation
and the fact that it's an artistic
improvement there is no fee so it was
submitted as an arb application and
there was no point in modifying that so
that's what asked listed under really
it's an unusual case we've never had
anything like this that i can recall
and we're just bringing it to you for um
some aesthetic review like uh things
that come to my mind where
how are they they lit at night how are
they framed you know is this
is is the artwork that you show us in
here actually what's going to be
installed or is it just an example
i mean personally this is you know i'm
used to writing a staff report about
this kind of thing but i think it would
be do wonders for this building
personally
that that side of the building clearly
needs something like now
well you can see that before
this is actually the k
k gallery that's going in where
progressive insurance was once right
it's going to be an art gallery yeah can
we experience where are you in oh please
state your name and raise your right
hand edward
you solemnly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes thank you
is this the director now
it's at the back upper level of that
it's like a second floor with a big show
windows
from first floor to the second floor
yeah if you drive cooled you'll see that
there's a two-story building that's kind
of a grey brick that's i think you can
see it in this picture no i don't know i
know there's the reason elevations there
yeah well i i saw that it looks like
some work has started because you can
almost see where there's stone or
something behind i wasn't sure what that
what that was
where it's being you did some prep work
uh we did interior remodeling we didn't
do anything for outside
that's new it looks like there's white
painted over something that maybe it was
like fake
brick or something that's coming through
the white
yeah and it's not doesn't look
intentional it looks like it's just kind
of
over time
not sure
um
well uh let me just tell you it's gonna
be like an art gallery on a second floor
um
and it's not i own the gallery i'm going
to be on the gallery it's not my
business i'm an
architect and engineer but um
it's just my
dream project so it's going to be
not really for profit uh i own like a
very important uh art collection of
chagall kandinsky malevich so it's all
original arts and i'm planning to
exhibit this arts over there not
necessarily for sale but for like
capital students to come or maybe back
to school it's basically a tribute to
this community to be honest with you so
your intent is that there will be almost
a rotating art exhibit on these panels
uh it's gonna be some arts gonna be for
sale but as a collector i don't
like to sell arts my arts
so it's gonna be more educational i
would say more museum type gallery i
might be
no no it's a post it's it's kind of like
vinyl
made by nudists enterprise
from it's going to be the highest
quality of materials
i don't know what they're going to use
but it's going to be like the most i've
seen the ones that he does
yeah
there is a link to this materials uh i
actually uploaded the link what this
material is going to be but it's
definitely going to be the highest and
it's not a permanent paintings or
anything it's just
big it's a print basically it's a brick
yes on the on a plastic
is your intent that that that print of
that art would be put up and then it
would stay up until you had to take it
down or you would uh it's going to be
staying as long as it's going to take
three four years maybe high school
students or capital students maybe
yeah because i own this arts i own these
images so it's no problem why there's a
there's a big movement in columbus for
like rotating arts every couple years
i know
i know garage panels and things that
might be going on but yeah and orange
barrel yeah yeah
yeah i like the idea of supporting the
local arts and the college and actually
high school and having the opportunity
so every every five years it's like two
years i don't know yeah we just moved i
mean it's been a big uh exhibition at
columbus at uh um capital university
schumacher
uh galleries they exhibited all this
arts i was there for for like couple
months
uh i just finished exhibition at
columbus museum of arts
uh before that it was in chicago modern
museum of arts so i mean honestly it's a
big deal
i mean there is no such a
collection
in in
i mean in ohio for sure so i think it's
gonna be great for bexley and
yeah and this is the book i mean uh it's
not i just put these images for uh as a
sample i mean i own 43 pages of this so
you can guys and you can pick whatever
you want well that's i don't think
that's right i already did the book with
you just just involved
uh it's going to be like there is an
ugly stocka windows on the side of the
building if you can see
and i want to cover it with the
paintings uh
initially i wanted to cover every single
opening but it was too busy and too
crowded so i decided to do like every
other one there's nine panels
uh right and it's gonna be four or five
uh
posters depending on every other one
depending on where i'm gonna start
students
i'd rather so is is this really part of
our board or is this more signage
it's it's an artistic improvement
so it's simply a recommendation to the
zoning board and they'll make that final
decision
and
we'll most likely monitor you know the
artwork before it goes up and we've had
these we would couple locations we would
ask him to come back and oh no no that
would be staff review yeah yeah
if i can go get a beer and look outside
outside and look at four or five
kendinsky prints i'm all in so as far as
i'm concerned we're good the other thing
is like i i mean i think it's important
that you guys see this like you're well
i mean i think it's very cool but i'm i
just
i don't know that we want him to come
back before us every time he wants to
change what they look like i mean we
already tell you what you can put on
them
right the intention is just for a you
know
a positive recommendation to beat up
just like a nod this this is a great
idea
if that's what you think but
so many times i hear from you guys like
people are asking me what this is and i
didn't know so i think it's also
important to keep you guys in the loop
with this kind of i mean it's aesthetic
and it's what you're in charge of right
so and it's exciting because and why we
don't charge your fee because we really
want to encourage it so so yeah it
doesn't have to be a belabored
discussion here we just wanted to we can
get a a positive recommendation to be
zapped
will it will it always be modernism
uh yes you'll never have anything else
but modernism on this wall well
i'm kind of it's a k gallery and i name
it after kandinsky because he's my
favorite
so uh this is all condensed gaming we
can put whatever
images say oh but i think it's just cool
never like it cause it's caffeine yeah
yeah we do artwork too so we're both
okay
yeah
and my last name starts with case so
it's a lot of
a lot of you know
but like i said it's gonna be free for
everybody i mean it's gonna be
educational it's gonna be
i i just wanna you know i live in bexley
for 30 years my kids been raised my
grandkids are being raised right now so
i just want to give something to the
community that's it so i do have a
comment about the architecture of it i
actually think it will be even better if
you painted those panels that you aren't
using dark
because not using so these panels
that you don't have right right make
those dark okay you don't have all these
stripes in between the art
i think that they are
each one of those
it's very easy very easy more
sure subtle wall yeah it's been freshly
painted but the previous owner i think
like a year ago per city requirements
but these two kind of struggles they
didn't do a good job i
suggest that to the vs app to consider
it would i would highlight that you're
exactly right it would highlight the art
more and then i hope you light them at
night too
so that they have
uh
it was not
the idea but i mean we can do this i
mean if
if you guys are finding this it'll be so
beautiful as you're driving down main
street and that's as you can put it on
time clock so one of the nice things
about that is it brings a little bit of
uh upscale feel to that right you have
these yeah
what color do you have in mind i mean
it's it's it's a brick it's like a brown
brick and white kind of white stack
brown so brown dark brown the same
figure out what color is the same color
as the brick okay and just paint those
blank panels it's more like a bronze
color if you were going to try to match
the brick you it would need to be like a
bronze the brown would look like
you know what
yeah just
how are they put some samples up and see
which ones what are the closest
it's gonna be as i understand they talk
to notice it's gonna be some kind of
frame
and it's gonna be a poster on the frame
and they're going to attach it to
i mean it's going to be exactly the size
of this opening
like a framed piece of art that's
attached
okay see it
i my the vote
how we vote on this is contingent on
your collection
but you say that in the future there
could be other art that goes in these
panels i was not going to i mean i i i
would be happy to keep kay and kandinsky
on it yeah because if if it's all about
modernism and my vote is contingent on
it i i do not like bauhaus
so
i don't i don't want that to be part of
this vote that's why that's why i'm
asking if there's other artwork that
will be
portrayed here in the future or the
possibility of other artworks it's
possible i mean it's not a permanent uh
posters but
yeah
are you asking this concept the concept
of the the idea of putting art here if
that's what we're voting on i am totally
on board if it's you know we that this
is always going to be kandinsky or
chagall or you know then
then that's that's a struggle for me
because concept okay i wouldn't have a
problem to replace it like every five
years or whatever who knows what's going
to happen in five years i'm just want to
say it's a very expensive post so it's
going to cost me 40. i understand
but this is not to everybody's taste
again modernism is not to everybody's
taste and there'll be people walking by
it'll be very controversial for a lot of
people like why are we showing old 60s
art
yeah i'm just saying and i think there's
the opportunity here is a community
engagement right it looks like you're
opening a gallery to have a a
installation that was done by capital
students probably paid by capital
through their pro program that you
talked with and they come in and do an
installation for two years of work
artwork that they do would they print
they're just putting on your videos
that's a good idea
when i say rotating art and then when
those are down you would maybe put up
your your 60s modernism again or the
bexsie high school does an art
you know a thing where the students are
doing custom artwork and you're putting
it up on your building but what you're
doing is you're connecting this this
this business and this space within the
community and having art be that
yeah it's a great idea fantastic idea i
i i think so i would i would be strongly
recommend you to look into that yeah and
i think i would totally approve the
artwork because i think it improves the
facade and a little bit more energy to
the the environment but i really am
interested in that kind of art
connection and helping you one not give
you not only give exposure to what
you're doing there but also the
connection to the university i i work
very closely with capital university and
ohio state and this is a great idea the
only thing we have i have to watch
because i have like first names of the
world artists you know i need to make
sure it's going to be not going to be
like there's a separation i think having
having a rotating art and having some
interest in connection with that
community only drives traffic to that
location and then people will be like oh
look at this first name artwork yeah so
i think it's i think you just have to i
would suggest and recommend really
thinking because i think you really get
a lot more traffic more interesting
there's a great bar across the street we
can all go there tonight and
after this and look at the wall you
could just take down a panel for for
maybe a year a half and put it down
that wall right now looks like except i
have to build this storage
animal press
do you like baby
okay can we vote yeah i'm going to read
the findings yes please the findings of
fact and decision of the board for
application number
arb-22-42 for property located at
2774-2776 east main the board recommends
design
to be approved by the board of zoning
and planning
subject to their approval
to allow rotating wall art on the east
facade of the building with the
condition
that the
border zoning employment consider
unused panel spaces to be painted bronze
to match the building
painted dark i think that color black to
match the brick
complement i think it's kind of bronze
it's a greek kind of bronze you're not
trying to mention just a compliment
that's the hardest thing to choose
from
do you understand the findings in fact
excuse me do you understand the findings
in fact
um is there a board member that will
make a motion please emotion
a second
second
kathy will call the role
mr heyer yes mr scott yes mr yes
madame tony yes
you are approved thank you very good
thank you for coming in yeah uh yeah you
have to come to the gallery yeah
let me know and i'll let the board go to
grandma