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okay we're good
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welcome to the tuesday evening april
26th meeting of texas city council as
always our thoughts are worth the uh
robinson yeah and sock
here
please join me
i pledge allegiance to the lack of the
united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation under god
indivisible with liberty and justice for
all
thank you we are honored to have another
one of our
nominees
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want to tell us a little bit about
yourself do you want to do you want to
introduce service
you know we talked a little bit about
kathleen i think at a previous meeting
sorry it's all public you can go listen
to it it's all very good if you could
wouldn't mind pushing the button right
there to turn the mic on and
um kathleen expressed interest early in
this position and has a fantastic
background and maybe you could talk a
little bit about your background and
your interest in the board of health
sure thank you for having me
i um work for the health insurance
company
i'm the chief risk officer for a program
in their government business um this is
really it's like operational risk
compliance risk legal risk for
medicare-focused programs um i have a
public health background of a master's
in public health from ohio state uh it's
a focus in health services management
policy um i've worked with drug
companies and device manufacturers i
helped them through a consulting company
called ability worked with them helping
bring new products to market use new
devices get reimbursement um i worked
with ohio department of health uh
focused on childhood poisoning
prevention and how to make homeless
healthy places to live
i also worked for the white house and
office of management budget i started
under the obama administration i led on
medicare advantage policy
and value-based care programs
which we created following the
affordable care act or obamacare
and then i've also worked with doctors
with providers i worked for care for
allies which is a subsidiary of stigma
that's why i got connected to figna and
helping them
join value-based care programs so
instead of getting paid on a paper
service relationship getting paid for um
providing high quality value care
efficiency type things so that's my
background i'm happy to answer any
questions or if there's anything else
that'd be helpful to know
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um so my son is in kindergarten and my
daughter is three going on four well
thank you for your time yeah thank you
thanks for having me
um i introduced myself to her earlier
and mistakenly thought that she was
ruthie gravel's mother but
but anyway i do um i just want to say
thank you so much for uh for being here
clearly your um
your experience
so thank you so much for stepping up
thank you
yes
yes jack's my mother
so many gravels
is
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i guess i would say i wanted to join the
board of health for two reasons one i
wanted to be involved in the community
in which i live and use my skills to do
that but also i've been in the federal
and state government and i've really
seen
uh that's really the community you live
in is so important to your health right
almost more important than the doctor
you see and the care you get uh and no
matter what we do at a federal level or
even at a state level it's really the
city level that's important so i think
regardless so if you're what's going on
thank you so much for for volunteering
you have a super impressive background
and i think we talked about before board
of health is just it's uh
it's it's has plenty of opportunity to
kind of put your stamp on it and ways to
get involved so we're excited i did
forget to tell you the new member does
have to
you know set any mask mandates that we
might have in the future
but uh
thank you so much appreciate your time
thank you so much
thank you i should also point out that
we used to require uh members when they
came here to stay for the whole meeting
and we turns out people stopped
volunteering
if you are
free to go at any time
next item is uh public comments uh
do we have this we have no speaker slips
all right so we'll move on to the
president's report which has a visual
some visuals tonight you can click on
click on them and
yesterday
and so uh councilman was kind enough to
escort us around
and we ran into a few celebrities so if
you look at some of the other photos
yeah
look at this you never know who you're
gonna
oh
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although if you zoom in
that box was right there got nominated
they will be unveiled on friday and
you're also uh invited to do a bicycle
ride tour of all the trees the shares
and last year
it's starting off at the governor's
nation and i don't want to
tempt you too much here but participants
will get unprecedented access to the
grounds of the government
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no report here
thank you mr president uh mr bayshore is
with us
hi mayor hi city council
oh
one second andy we're uh try again i
just want to make sure your audio is
working okay
uh good evening mayor city council
yeah you're breaking up i don't know if
that's us or you so
can you hear us okay i
can hmm
okay well we'll we'll work on this okay
so uh
andy anything to add to your uh written
report i do not
okay
and i'm gonna pull that any questions
for andy
uh yeah miss sod
but um with our drexel project i was
wondering if um
there is an opportunity for us to reopen
the right of way there on
the crosswalk on fair and drexel
some days it's a little more open some
days it's not and the kids use that
crosswalk to get over to school
from all areas
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to leave the crosswalk there um
there's days where
um the trucks are kind of sitting on
that crosswalk
for the current construction gotcha um
i can look into that that won't be a
problem
okay thank you
no problem yes
i have a comment for andy too i forgot
to do it i said now it's actually extra
time
because uh my wife said you gotta tell
andy how beautiful the new trees along
charles uh look i planted those
it really looks great and it is a huge
uh for people who aren't familiar with
that charles street it is just a
fantastic improvement in that
neighborhood and with the addition of
the sidewalks and its trees there it
really
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that project turned out really not
really good i'm really happy with that
all right anything else for andy
thank you so much andy appreciate it no
problem
all right um
up interim chief goff police department
update
can you tell me a little bit more tell
us what that actually is
well we noticed some communities where
they have their own specific vehicle
dedicated to
community events and i know
started over working hard to
be involved in the community and create
events and we thought it was a good idea
before we optioned the car back uh an
old cruiser that we just
re-wrapped
outfitted for
kids uh
you know stuff that we could just pass
out to them and stuff like that
it was a great idea
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so
somebody was being grumpy about font
selection i think for example
what
rotary
that
is giving that and um
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thank you for that clarification
awesome mr marcelina yes thank you very
much uh just in regards to the uh it's
not just updating current equipment
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that we have to buy new ones and rotate
in and out plus source could have extras
so things are getting more expensive as
the years progress
we did a second
circle back on the
on the other
grant to get radios because those are
going to be absolutely here
thank you for seeking that that's a
really important grant
you know for clarity that those will
become obsolete in a couple years so if
the grant if we do not get the grant we
should be planning for that
we lost we lost out on the first
rotation to other cities
get the
a little more serious though um i uh
quickly saw that officer fleming was
going to
do his basic training and i
and this is this is a comment uh not a
question and i got
a sick feeling in my stomach that maybe
he was leaving us so i picked up the
phone and and called one of my police
officer friends and he informed me that
no he's going for training he's going to
be which i was thrilled about and i was
also looking at um
shade officer schaefer who is leading us
he is going uh north i understand to be
closer to
his voicemail spice family so i'm
keeping
track of i'm trying to keep a close look
at the police officers and i don't want
to i was worried we were losing two of
them for
other reasons officer schaefer's been
looking for a position closer to
cleveland and it's huge an excellent
officer he's gonna be missed um you know
it always it's sad to see somebody uh go
but understandable given the family
situation and
one thing that um
it's clear just from talking to officers
about reserve
being reserve officers is the the
benefits for its health insurance right
after retirement after being enrolled
enlisted as a reserve officer for a
certain period of time are fantastic and
so there's
he's he's not he's he's a smart cookie
uh
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keeps them excited ms lamke
with officer schaefer leaving i
noticed this
weekend trying to replace him to fill
that spot we are
on that for a few months
because he came to me early
now so
um we have on this saturday on the 23rd
and
you know it was sent out we had 42 yeah
um
things happen people get plucked
a few bosses due to other departments
so we had
19 confirmed
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we set up alternative dates for
it's a very competitive
central ohio with police
what's up when you say we you know
it's a competitive environment is there
anything that needs to be doing as a
city to make ourselves more
attractive
i think
the retention
situations but
everybody loves working here um i don't
anticipate any good leaving
other than retirement so people get
burned out but
i know a lot of other departments are
feeling the
desire to move around because of just
internal stuff but uh
a lot of apartments now are doing
lateral only firing so
that creates a burden with with our our
city i mean maybe we can take a
harder look at laterals
when we're doing hiring instead of just
traditional acquiring
inexperienced applicants
we're not opposed to that because we get
some good candidates but if we could
satisfy the vacancies with
certified experienced officers i'd much
rather
because our last two buyers have been
constitutional
mature middle-aged
people that are rock stars i actually
diagnosed people versus
holding something fresh
it satisfies it that the need is
immediate
but no as far as your attention goes
all right
thank you chief
mr price
sorry mr price
yes sir
uh
you're up
all right uh just a couple quick
highlights uh we had our summer activity
versus registration that started on
monday
at noon uh in the first day we did um
1600 1610 registrations
and over 108 000 in revenue which was
more than double the same time period
last year so that was really exciting to
see the response that we had
to the summer brochure
um the other thing i wanted to highlight
is
in the report is that we did
offer a contract for services for the um
david h madison community pool
concession stand uh it's not it hasn't
been signed yet so we've still got
fingers crossed but we think that that's
going to be done here shortly
so we're excited that we're able to find
a
good provider for that for that service
i will
remind council
that we will be coming forward with
legislation to reduce
um the appropriation
to the pool management account that was
done in ordinance 12 22
would reduce that by 75 000 as we
discussed if we ended up
being able to hire a third party vendor
for the concession so
i want to highlight that i also want to
thank council thank the administration
for
the support and providing us
the resources necessary to adapt to sort
of what was going on in the grounds and
continuing to trust us with being
fiscally responsible with city resources
so again i appreciate that um and
hopefully we
uh you know have moved forward in the
right direction or excited about
those offerings for community
you mike any questions for mike
my big kudos more than doubled the
amount
i'm i'm sorry it's hard for me to hear
you the question was something about the
doubling what do i
what do i count the double
kudos on uh yeah doubling registration
and uh receipts
for uh for the uh registration for this
latest registration round
yeah so obviously last year we were in
the middle of cover now that we're not
still dealing with it but i think some
of that is a reaction to people being
more comfortable
um with getting out and programming
additionally frankly we had less
programming offerings uh this time last
year uh because of an understanding of
of how we can operate those programs
what sort of restrictions we had with
space
um so it's it
i uh you know i need to deep dive a
little deeper into maybe some years
prior to tobit but um
i would expect that a big chunk of that
is sort of a reduction in registration
last year as a result of coping
thank you mike missad
so mike um when we were talking about
having that printed uh summer activity
brochure back in the hands of residents
i can just speak to the fact that my
phone was dinging for my younger two
with parents getting organized for
making sure they were enrolling right at
noon
for a handful of programs so i can speak
and they were screenshotting the
brochure so maybe the brochure also had
a few things to do with that so send
that on to natalie i know she was also
getting some calls that day and uh doing
her part so it's just exciting to feel
like we're back where we need to be well
dude that's a great point thank you miss
sun
all right thanks so much mike appreciate
your show coming over virtually
see ya
um finance department mr hale
good evening everyone
um
so the report is a little different this
month um if you've noticed
on the third page of the report
we now have some written um we have
written report
that can help explain
the
the different variances or different
things that i that we that matt and i
think are comment worthy
um so this month we had about eight i'll
highlight a couple of them
um
first of all the mayor you had a
question about other revenue last time
because it was high um and that's the
point number one
it wasn't so much that other revenue was
higher that was slightly high but i also
had cares act reimbursements in there
which i believe i more properly should
have reported under other financing
sources since that's not a regular
revenue source
um
income tax
is slightly lower than budget year to
date 101 000
but i think it's important to note that
we are still 175 000 plus
ahead of last year
um at a time when a lot of communities
are seeing their income tax um shrink
rather than grow
um
so i think that's important to note so i
think i think we're still pretty solid
there um
there's also a big variance on work
right-of-way row and franchise fees um
but that's just timing we're working on
that i've been talking to kyle our ro w
coordinator
it's just a matter of getting the
permits completed and getting the money
in
we might have been a little bit
overestimated in our by estimating 95
000 looks like maybe close to 73 75 000
in that area
um
so
that should be good um
and then again the last thing the
unspent um prior year in conferences i
really think they're going to be
a lot of those left unspent and that'll
help our ending fund that's i could be
wrong but we're getting rather late in
here and we've already closed out a 160
000
worth of
encumbrances
so um
with that i'll entertain any questions
any questions for
mr hale and that fantastic presentation
thank you beecher
thank you
didn't you see anything that
i i didn't catch like the 52 000
like last time which i had just noticed
two minutes before the meeting i'll
spring it on during about 30 seconds
what's that
i didn't
all right that's it
thank you mr hale appreciate it thank
you mayor good evening
my update is not attached but i will
pull it up
oh you see one hold on one second
just loaded this too early
that's what i get for being a
last-minute attacher
look at that thank you natalie
um
so a couple things to highlight we have
a uh
arbor day breakfast here at city hall on
friday morning with a
sort of a city update to those from the
chamber of commerce that are joining us
for that
cic retreat is friday afternoon um if
you
want to get a little exercise in prior
to the retreat of course there is the
bike
tour of the landmark trees
um
and then may 12th is our community
foundation annual gathering
it will be the
gathering that was postponed to happen
at jeffrey mansions that will be very
exciting dedication as well jeffrey at
that time asian pacific islander
festivals may 13th
love your alley festivals may 14th and
our community yard sale and free cycle
day is may 14th so our summer events
season is getting kicked off here in the
coming weeks
so buckle up
as they say
uh that's may 12th the uh
the bcf event queen foundation annual
gathering at jeffrey
um our joint livingston plan
uh is going for a vote for approval of
the steering committee this
thursday morning i believe
thursday at noon thursday noon um
heard very positive feedback from most
of our steering committee members so i'm
hoping for a good vote on that
uh and then it will be coming before you
guys jen and i will be working on a
resolution just to adopt it and approve
it um and hopefully start in may
uh and then uh
hopefully uh columbus will columbus has
a slightly different process than we do
i don't think they necessarily have a
council process but uh looking forward
to bringing that in front of you guys
and
and having a presentation to you of that
finalized uh plan after the steering
committee has ratified it
we have us we have uh we went to
carpenter marty after a pedestrian
strike that occurred on college avenue
we had a couple students hit
of capital this year this school year
not not on college one was on college
and one was at drexel in maine but
capital brought up the
just concerns about pedestrian safety in
general we felt it made sense to take a
look at college avenue and what was
going on there um
with crosswalks and just get any
recommendations so carpenter marty
studied it they came up with a series of
recommendations to sort of streamline
and i guess not streamlined is not the
right word to make more consistent the
pedestrian crossings provide some
additional pedestrian actuated beacons
one will be going at mound
and
college another will go at shaft hall
shaft hall is
shaft hall and um college avenue hall
across from each other they're sort of
the southern leg there of the campus and
we're going to add some enhanced signage
in general just let drivers know that
they're entering an area of heavy
crossings so
those changes will be going in place
this summer hopefully in time for the
next school year to start i just want
you guys to be aware of that
um
our youth interaction working group
continues
going through right now uh sort of draft
concepts and policy
um payne's taking the group has been
doing a lot of work so meeting about
monthly i think at this point in time
and making good progress on that i just
wanted to make sure you guys had an
update knew that was continuing
today actually sam metcalf and i
had a presentation from a capital
university communications class
they have they are wrapping up the
report from the 2022 community input
survey remember capital does a survey
every five years so we have a 17 a 12
and a seven 2007 was the first year they
started it so
it was really interesting um i think
when they finalize that report steve or
maybe some students or both
will come here and talk to you guys
about it and what we found um as always
i find it really helpful it gives me a
lot of insight into some of the things
that are
um
you know
exciting to people some of the things
that are kind of getting people riled up
and
nothing in in the report was um
i mean nothing that we hadn't heard
before but it was really interesting to
kind of hear just see some trending
uh in in that survey so excited to share
that with you
our drexel avenue road diet update
project continues we have letters out to
all the residents along the street
asking for feedback on the specifics of
exactly where those proposed bump outs
can occur i have a huge version of this
map and scroll plot that we can lay out
at the at the conference room if anyone
wants to take a look at the details
and we also added a city hall e-bike to
our vehicle fleet last week so the
e-bike is designed to get staff out in
the community on an e-bike in lieu of a
vehicle when they can
it'll save us on a little bit on mileage
from mileage reimbursements
gets people a little more active and
hopefully endorses the concept of
multimodal transportation so you we're
going to get a seal on there somewhere
we haven't quite figured it out yet but
you might see the city hall e-bike uh
zipping around yeah it's a big fat tire
no
you absolutely can try it out and we're
also thinking about
after your waivers are signed your
helmets are worn
uh we're also thinking about
renting it
to
what's that you should sign
waivers um
we are thinking about
uh making available to the community for
rental for the weekend just to get
people on e-bikes and give them a chance
to check them out who who has reserved
the e-bike for the tree tour on friday
it may have been reserved by city hall
staffer
but i can be uh
egg dash was great uh greenbexley fair
was great kudos to elizabeth and her
team for pulling that off
we had a fantastic trash talk on earth
day at uh schneider park
and uh there there's a little more it's
an earth day possum there you go
yeah the child is not in the pen with
that
that is funny that looks creepy
super creepy
and here's here's a sneak peek at some
ways the alleys are being loved right
now
this is uh this is a new mural as part
of the 2022 love your alley that is a
great question i know where it's at it's
on is it green it's in the alley behind
uh south roosevelt avenue between mound
and astor
yeah there you go
sorry starry night
that is my update any questions
i'll just throw a comment because i
think it might only be myself and laurie
and here who were around for the last
capital university community survey but
it is fascinating it is full of
information so i always look forward to
seeing that they do a really thorough
job of and they get a pretty good
response
rate from the community too
absolutely
yeah it's well done
thank you all right i think we move on
to the consent agenda
on the consent agenda we have the
meeting minutes uh for 12 22 from city
council and ordinance 8-22 to approve
the collective bargaining agreements
between the fraternal order police
ohio labor council inc and the city of
bexley that was introduced by ms lamke
thank you uh any comments or questions
on the consent agenda or ordinance or
meeting minutes and ordinances 22 on the
consent agenda
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at this time we also allow comments from
the audience without a speaker slit too
if there are none
i will make a motion to adopt the
consent agenda
second
second of my mr klingler mr mcpeak
miss lamke yes
yes this viable yes mr marcelino yes
miss robinson yes mr markham yes and mr
klingler
yes
all right on to third reading of
ordinance 9-22
to establish the part-time position of
finance and personnel coordinator and to
establish the pay range at
24.84 cents per hour to 35.80
per hour introduced by ms lamke
thank you so much given that this is a
third reading i'm going to throw this
over to either the mayor or the auditor
to just kind of give us a brief uh recap
regarding this position if you could
yeah i'll go ahead and give a summary um
just as a reminder
this is
a budget neutral position to the finance
department
um in our budget for 2022 we have eighty
four thousand dollars for contractor
support
and uh essentially what we're going to
do is
continue to use the existing contractor
but
hire in
this staff person
both of their compensation will remain
under that eighty four thousand dollars
the primary purpose of bringing in this
resource is to improve internal controls
um so in a small organization it's
really important that you have two
people um where you can trade job duties
or have
oversight by the other person so
introducing the second person
significantly improves our internal
control process
we've also talked about
some hr activities that will primarily
be around maintaining the
payroll
system
but then that may also include other
types of activities to support
natalie's efforts around
you know annual
enrollment for benefits and and other
activities
um so you know with that um does anyone
have any specific questions around this
position
i'd like to offer up the comment that uh
i think we really have appreciated
having you on board uh mr mcpeek for
this especially with this one i know
that we've all leaned on you a lot for
questions and uh really found your uh
experience helpful here and your
knowledge so i would like to thank you i
know you put in a lot of time answering
questions for people
mr marcelino uh to add to that i want to
again thank you for all of your time
towards this i think at the beginning of
this i was hesitant um to be supportive
of it because i wasn't quite sure of the
need but after uh understanding it
better and you taking the time to
explain it to me a bit more in detail it
really became clear that this for the
finance purpose is quite important for
our community so i just thank you again
for your time and uh and and detail
towards this
any other comments
do you have some action on this ms lemke
i do i motion to adopt ordinance 9-22
second motion to adopt by ms lamke
seconded by ms robinson any comments
from city council
we also invite comments or questions
from the audience without speaker slip
on this at this time
hearing none mr mcpeek please give us a
roll call
mr marcelino yes assad yes mr klingler
yes mr markham yes it's fiable yes miss
lamke yes and miss robinson yes
all right so
we are now moving to a second reading of
ordinance 10-22 to establish the rate
for the police administrative assistant
at
32.72 cents per hour effective march
21st 2022 ms lamke
thank you um i think as was presented at
the last meeting this is currently a
position that i think has been recently
vacated and were
looking to hire somebody into this
existing position may or did i could i
summarize that okay
that is correct yep okay
um are there any questions from council
regarding the ordinance or this position
if not i think we can move on all right
uh second reading of ordinance 11-22
to provide for designated off-leash
areas within schneider park introduced
by mr marcelino
i have nothing to add from uh
from the first reading happy to answer
questions but i believe we have a little
bit more information today in the form
of maps and images that will outline
where this area may be that may
warrant more discussion
thank you mr marcelino so this is um
for those of you who walked on the trail
at our last prior to our last council
meeting this is this is not a very
detailed map
but basically what it's showing is kind
of the red dots
which are sort of the north and south
boundaries of the proposed area
um as a means of context this is an old
exhibit that was showing
um this was from 2014 back when we were
starting to plan the addition to
schneider which is kind of actually
interesting because you see
what how different that area ended up
being to the south but anyway um the
aster entrance
the dog park is gonna be roughly in this
area right here where the mouse cursor
is
so
the red dot sort of shows the south
boundary so as people approach that
that's that's where the boardwalk
estimates when the natural path starts
they would have the option of having
dogs off leash
and then the northern boundary would be
down the slope from the main street
entrance
basically the book ending area where
it's the natural path along the creek
none of that's set in stone it's just
sort of what we talked about
mrs robinson
for um
for so i make sure i have my bearings
where are the apartments are just
where do where does a residential um
anything right in any residential area
begin is that let me get my bearings
south of is that
so the wexner uh heritage um okay
apartments are right here south of aster
okay um at astor just north of aster is
a um capital housing capital university
student housing okay um but there's
quite a bit of uh that's where the
wetlands are and the
forest is separating the path from that
area
um it's up the hill alone okay having a
my own dog who is horrible and will
never be off leash in this area i'm on
record as saying that right now in front
of all of you and the city um are dogs
allowed um in those um
in in those apartments the wexner
village my only concern is having the um
off leash so close to a residential area
is that god forbid there be a dog
like mine who potentially could get out
and then there could be you know some
kind of of negative interaction between
uh two animals would it be would it make
sense to move that area just up just a
little bit um just something for
consideration sure that makes sense
yep
that's fiber
where do you know where
i have access to is that
oh to where they they come back
i believe it's not here i believe it's
to the south of the
building when i went down to um
could throw
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unless of course that is
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i
understand to know that there's going to
be some really
strong signage that says you know
and even alerts people that there are
it would be safe for others
my dog joins jen's in the bad dog
category that won't be out there miss
son
yeah lucky's really sweet but she loves
a runner she wants to greet him um
so maybe
i want to make sure i'm sharing the same
vision just from being at different dog
parks are we having once you enter
the area that is amazing that is going
to be actually the dog park
is will be amazing yes
is it
all fenced in yes okay um and usually
when you enter a dog park there'll be
like a an area that you walk in let your
dog off leash so they're not
greeted by another dog right away then
you open the other gate and you let them
in is that kind of what airlock yep that
that is part of the airline as well the
airlock i don't think it's called an
airlock it just okay
like a prison term yeah i'm wondering i
do
share the same sentiments
um just
on walks and
you know runners coming by and bikers
coming by and i and i do agree there's
more people using that path it's been
great i know
we have some south bexley friends who
are taking that right now to come to our
house um teenagers and i love to hear
that but they're biking
that paved um strip so
i do know dogs you know whether it's a
scooter or a bike or a golf cart
you know that might trigger so i don't
know um maybe that's just we let them
just like with some dog parks you let
them off the leash when you enter that
instead of before
so the
the area that i'm talking about is not
paved
it's all gravel it's not really a and
it's not an area that could be easily
biked
but i think
so i guess my take on it would be i see
some benefit in allowing
a little bit more activity with dogs
around the dog park
because there are owners in bexley whose
dogs are responsible off leash and they
don't have anywhere to take them in the
city it's near the dog park
there's some there's some rationale to
that if it turns out though we're having
issues though we'll just
we'll stop it i mean it's not it's very
flexible it just gives us the ability to
provide that option
um and
i
take it everything you guys have said i
i care about i take that seriously so if
you guys came to me and at a council
meeting or on a phone or a text saying
hey this is a real problem i'm hearing
about it and i probably would have heard
about it as well and we'll adjust if we
need to would be my take and obviously
it's as balls here is in your court as
to whether or not you find that
appropriate there would need to be some
modicum of an area where you can be
technically off leash because that's
what the dog park is
um and if
if you guys feel
overwhelmingly that we shouldn't even
attempt to try to have a trail area off
leash then
we'll just do it in the dog park only
i'm okay with that can i can i follow up
a question there then too with what
you're saying as well i just want to
clarify when we're looking at this map
too
the question that comes to my mind is
i'm seeing the red circle up there i'm
seeing the red circle down there and i'm
seeing the area that is the dog park and
i think
in my mind
when people are bringing their dogs to a
dog park
they may feel you know
there is usually a buffer where you
can't expect dogs to be unleashes
outside that dog park is there
is there a buffer zone around the dog
park where people would be required to
leash up their dogs before they
get into the vicinity of that dog park
because i think there's a potential for
some chaos there even with some dogs
that are well behaved makes sense and
that's a good argument to say that that
southern red dot should really start at
the northern portion of the dock park
okay perhaps so that there would be a
lead up to it and then there might be a
sign that says
you know dogs must be leashed outside of
the dog park or something that makes
sense i'm sorry this
man
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i was just thinking could there be if
you're having a fence around the dog
park could there be like a gate on the
south side of the dog park or some sort
of
where the
wexner housing
her hair is at heritage housing wexner
heritage house
you know
but if the dog was off leash there's
some sort of barrier there that it's
going to
yeah it's not going to run up into
someone's especially if you if you went
north of the park itself
you were well far away from like the the
residents of that area i've never seen
them go north of the gazebo which is
down here
um so it's it's quite a distance at that
point um i have seen dogs off leash in
that area
i mean to be honest i've seen people not
mine i've seen dogs off leash on the
trail people are using the path
more and more
um so that's gonna happen that you're
gonna have people violating and it's
actually kind of i think the thing i
think is helpful is that
we know from jeffrey park that there
will be people who just don't listen to
the rules and they just want to let
their dogs off leash we also know from
our community surveys in the past we
have a lot of dog owners that feel like
actually has
overly restrictive dog laws so that's
one of the reasons we
came up with the dog park it's one of
the reasons that i think this is worth
us exploring and providing some sort of
a legal route uh to those owners
so again i think this is all stuff that
we can
we can uh sort of tweak as we as we
learn even this conversation has been
very helpful to talk through what those
boundaries need to be i would advocate
that we
try something out and see if it's
something that's successful and and that
our community likes
it's not like other communities don't do
this all the time so it's not like we're
reinventing the wheel here it's just us
trying you know trying to provide an
amenity to our residents
mrs lamke
mayor i know that i recently mentioned
to you that um
when i walked that trail what struck me
was that it can be very secluded um
so my suggestion and i
appreciate anything that you could do
about this is to maybe have some cameras
in places that you think would be
appropriate just to
make sure that that's an area where
people
if they are alone would still feel
safe
my second question was
i know in jeffrey obviously there's
quite a bit of wildlife especially deer
and
and other animals that frequent that
park
i
i'm a little concerned not only with
other dogs but maybe with wildlife and
dogs along the path
i don't know how often residents have
seen wildlife on that path but
um
it does remain a concern of mine
i i i'm not i have not i've so i've seen
uh there were some deer
do what do you call them deer hoof
prints or footprints what do we call
them
deer tracks deer tracks your tracks
there's some deer tracks um
that we saw when we're doing trash
pickup on friday so
certainly there there are deer along the
creek that's not surprising um
i wouldn't i have not personally seen
that and i haven't heard about it or
seen photos but i'm sure that of course
there are deer that live in that area
and traveling area
um but again i don't think that's too
dissimilar from for example wolf park
which is another condition that's
not super different from this
nissan
oh i was just i did like um matt's idea
of maybe two different entrances because
i do agree with you there are people who
do feel that we have a lot of a little
more restrictions with dogs um
so accommodating both of those and
here's why is because if a dog is
walking in on a leash before they get to
what did you call it again the air
it's actually called the double gated
entry okay the double gated entry as
soon as you're in that delegated entry
and you take your dog off leash and then
they're free with all the other dogs off
leash they're not as
intimidated i guess you could say
because it's everybody is equal
but if you're walking in my experience
has been if i'm walking with my dog that
is on a leash and another dog comes up
and they're off leash
it causes
chaos and i think caesar the dog trainer
would even tell you that right
so um i do like that
two different entry points um
just so you know what you're getting
into
i don't know i think what uh what troy
was saying and i agree with wouldn't
even require that because it's it's
you're basically saying you wouldn't you
would have to be on the leash yeah
leading up to that area until
so the any off leash would start you
know further north of the dock i've
spent way too much time with dog
behavioralists the last few years and
one of the one of the biggest indicators
of potential trouble is a dog that is on
a leash encounter a dog that's not on
the leash and that that is oftentimes
the dog will feel threatened if they're
on a leash
any more
all right good discussion everybody i
think we can move on does anybody think
just i want to understand this like am i
the does anyone else think we should
give a try for some area for dogs off
leash
okay
okay great i was just making sure i
wasn't like
we were so
uh mr just double double checking
temperature here mr klingler had asked
if we looked at lights on the trail um
it would not be open after after dark
so one of the reasons we don't put
lighting in our in our parks
in areas where it's closed is because we
don't encourage people to be breaking
the rules
after dark yep
nice try klingler
all right all right we are moving on now
to second reading of ordinance 13-22 to
amend 1226.18
appeals to the board of zonium planning
in order to specify the applicant as the
appellant in certain instances
introduced by mr klingler
thank you mr official um mayor can you
bring up the
ordinance
yes
you know hold on this is
um this version that got posted to the
agenda if you'll notice it doesn't have
correct recitals yeah so let me if it's
okay let me
we'll fix that pull up the one that does
have the corrector styles
it's the last second attacher
is that is it here no
it's
what is this 1322
okay sorry
we will
mr
sorry about that
no it's
okay um the second reading
i don't know if everyone has a has a
chance to read over this
um
it's basically it cleans up the
ordinance it kind of clarifies um
who can appeal and the appeals process
are there any questions
regarding this ordinance
i have the mayor yeah additional
information yep i'm just gonna say
you've got some history um i
as i talked to you guys about
the last meeting
we put together
we just looked at past appeals
just to see how this ordinance would
have impacted anything in the past
to highlight what we're trying to say
which is this is really there was some
confusion i think
i received at least one communication
from a resident that felt that thought
that this was impacting council appeals
or appeals that have happened in the
past it's
really was again driven by this fence
permit issue with one neighbor wanting
to appeal
a fence that had been constructed
lawfully in accordance with her code
after the fact
uh and then b zap feeling that we need
to clarify that language um
and then in exploring that mr klingler
uh i think it
does need to be noted that we're talking
about architectural review in general
for conforming properties
um so we looked back and i believe this
is i don't know of any that this doesn't
cover from essentially i asked kathy to
do a 10 year look back
if you guys can think of anything that
that's missing here then or remember
that we're going to continue to add to
it if we if we hear or remember anything
we don't have a folder
you know on the services appeals it's
kind of going back through past activity
so as you can see the column to the
right says would the right of appeal
have been impacted by the proposed
ordinance
the one that is yes is the one we're
referring to is this fence permanent
that may not even actually be heard by
the bezap but there's some
it caused this issue to be clarified
and then we look at every other past
appeal whether it be to be zap or city
council most of them are city council
and find that
none of them would have been
impacted at the point where someone
wouldn't have a right write-up appeal
many of them involve demolition many of
them have involved a commercial project
any commercial project would
automatically have a right of appeal
because it goes before bzap and
therefore can be appealed to city
council
so none
there haven't been cases of
pure just architectural review in a
residential setting that has triggered
appeals uh to be zap
that doesn't mean that if
it couldn't happen in the future if
nothing changed but that just shows you
an illustration
trip down memory lane right there oh
yeah
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i was thinking when did i start what did
i when did i come in
any any more questions or comments yes
mrs lamke
thank you mayor for putting that
together as i mentioned at the
the last meeting
i i do think i have some concerns about
eliminating a right of appeal that
currently exists even if it's not
frequently
used
but i want to
delve into that further and and
understand it a little bit more
i think that any time that you're
talking about a level of review
by a board or
a commission or another entity
it's never a bad thing to have
built in layers of review
and i understand from time to time you
could have
an actual or perceived conflict of
interest or you could have
the appearance of impropriety and
obviously then
someone would have to abstain or or sit
that decision out but
i i just wanted to be frank with
everyone that i think
if we are
confident in our levels of review for
city government
and
the way that i interpret ordinance 13-22
is that
it would take away
a current right of appeal
for a neighbor who has standing
and while that right of appeal has not
predominantly been exercised well in the
past i i just worry that
that this would take that away so i'm
going to continue to think through it
i'm going to continue to listen and to
try to
understand further
if i can mr president i'd like to
clarify that the b zap
i think mr official should chime in here
there was an opinion that actually
the current law does not provide
the right of appeal for example to the
neighbor
defense these that
felt needed clarified right so again i i
don't want to get into too much in the
weeds on this
right now i'm we pro probably will be in
a position to be able to talk about more
after thursday because i believe b zab
may be reconsidering or
possibly considering where they're at on
that but but it arose because
we could do a hypothetical we could do a
i want i want a new window
and i want a new window and mr markham
was next to me
and he
saw the new window go in and it's really
unhappy that i
had trim color i hate the trailer with
my new window so
so there are there are things that need
to be that that are subject to permit
requirements those there and
some of those permit requirements don't
allow for or mandate uh notice to the
neighbors because again they're more of
a design thing than they are a
um
the traditional items that get appealed
so a neighbor so what happened what
could happen in the hypothetical
situation is a neighbor sees that says
nobody told me because there's no
obligation under our ordinances to tell
them
and then they assert an appeal to be
zapped saying hey somebody should have
told me and now that these windows are
in i think they stink i don't like the
color or i don't like you know fill in
the blank
and therefore i should have a right of
appeal
because i'm a neighbor
but so therefore within the zone of
standing but there is no standing here
if i'm being clear on this maybe i'm not
because there is
no right i mean the council is never
given a right of appeal
people folks have a right of appeal
because city council has passed
ordinances saying they do
and council is never given a rate of
appeal in those kinds of situations this
issue with the fence arose i offered an
opinion that is still being considered
about whether bzap has jurisdiction and
in the meantime beezapp has said correct
me if i'm wrong mayor we need some
clarification on this so can you tighten
up the this part of the ordinance so
it's not taking away anything anyone
currently has
and it is i would suggest
making it more clear where people have
the right to appeal or don't have the
right to appeal
connect thank you for that it is kind of
confusing though that's kind of nuanced
and it could be i i could feel
differently maybe if i didn't feel like
it if it's not there currently then
obviously this didn't take it away but
could you maybe
are you the mayor maybe further expand
on what the the column the right then
means how how would it have been
impacted or how would it be impacted by
the
proposed ordinance
so none of the cases would be impacted
only the most recent one that mr fisher
referred to where he do you advise bizap
not to hear it um
and it's his opinion i believe that it's
not if they don't have jurisdiction in
the first place
there's no right of appeal and they
don't have jurisdiction so this is a
clarification now asterisk and caveat
right because when when i brought this
to matt uh it was sort of a
here's the the basic like this is the
basic fix that these app is asking for
and then you have to determine well what
about certain ar the way the code is
written today and let me pull up that
this draft or just current ordinance so
you can see what i'm talking about
the way that the
um
hold on one second
i'm going to share the screen over here
sorry for the string of consciousness
the way the current
code is written
it's the bzap can hear
appeals from a decision of the zoning
officer or the arb
so to clarify by an applicant then we
have to determine those are two
different types of decisions the zoning
off officer decision
are items like a window a fence a
shingle roof um
uh
deck you know minor architectural
changes that are allowed to be reviewed
by the zoning officer the arb
can review
then reviews more major things such as
additions
um
if it's strictly being reviewed by the
arv
and not by bzap at all in the first
place it conforms to code it follows all
the all the guidelines of code councils
past the ordinances that say
all day long you can build this sort of
addition within these setbacks these
height limitations all these things arb
is there as a review board to
aesthetically review and make sure that
it's appropriate the way that this was
drafted
and
matt should clarify more because we kind
of talked about different options here
is that the arb
decision unless it involves demolition
and new construction
is is that is decision is appealable by
an applicant not not by a neighbor and
that is a change in theory you just
haven't had any cases like this
the cases that rise to the level of
appeal have been demolition
variance type issues you know
conditional use
changes in zoning those sorts of things
so we have just because we haven't had
the appeal doesn't mean in theory that
it couldn't someday happen and so you
are correct
that that sort of a case is changing
with this
proposed language and the way to fix it
if you if council wanted to make it so
that
only staff permit decisions were not
appealable by a neighbor which
is what
mark's opinion is currently the case in
in order to change
sorry this is a very complicated
sentence in order to move to a different
situation where anybody could appeal a
permit we would have to start providing
notice to neighbors on
new roof new windows new fence new deck
it would radically change the way that
we currently do our operations so that
would be a change as well but back to
what i was saying which is in order to
change
so that in order to keep it so that any
arb decision at all
could be appealed by both neighbors and
applicants
it would be a tweaking of this paragraph
right here
thank you for that clarification i'm
sorry if i just muddied the waters but
it's just as important that we
understand this
what else
that was my thought i think it's a
really excellent question for council to
grapple with which is like if something
is allowed by zoning
if you have the right to do it you know
what is what then is the role of the air
being that and and to what extent
can
to what center are those just inherent
innate rights of the applicant
yeah nothing further okay
mr official i think you can move us
along
all righty um
let me see i lost my agenda it's more
like klingler i got it back i got it back
all right okay we are on the second
reading of ordinance
14-22 to amend sections 1266.14
solar panels in order to
provide for consistent regulation and a
streamlined approval process for solar
panel projects mr klingler
thanks mr fishel um
mayor can you bring up the ordinance
so this this changes um our code to
allow staff review
and approval
of solar panels where in instances in
the past they they have not been allowed
to do that or it you know it needs to go
everything needed to go in front of the
architecture review board but from what
we've seen
with applications um
i don't know a percentage ben
a large portion of them
can be approved by
our staff consultant and our staff
within the city so this this streamlines
the process of
getting solar panels installed
questions comments
remind me um
the setback requirement of accessory
structures
under solar panel solar panels number
one
this is eight feet is that why we took
out shall maintain a setback of 10 feet
because it varies but three feet is the
minimum
for accessory structure varies that's
the rear yard setback for accessory
structures
so side yard is a little bit different
but it varies on zoning district at that
point
so we just wanted we took out shall
maintain a setback of 10 feet from
property line because we just wanted to
align it with our accessory structures
yep so the the this this was drafted
based upon recommendations from soul
smart which is a
national solar zoning advocacy group so
to be fair i mean this is a
this is a group that morpsey is
encouraging us to listen to what they're
saying and to come to line up with the
recommendations but
um every community has unique
requirements i think the logic of this
is if you can build a garage up to 20
feet in height you know within this
setback then
ground mounted solar should have the
same
ability um having said that we've never
to my knowledge had ground mounted solar
in bexley i think it's
with the size of our lots kind of a
difficult thing in most instances but
nonetheless it's
the theory is that it would be treated
as as if any as any other thing that
would be constructed uh within our
zoning
so sheds
garages
awnings
pergolas
um
anyone think of other accessory
structures
no that's not
um
red british phone booths
no that's art that's art
thank you dog house i was gonna do dog
mr marcelino
uh yeah actually this kind of blends in
with the last topic that we just
discussed if we get rid of the
architectural review
um
of this i guess are we having are we
withdrawing or removing any appeal
uh process for the community members of
um so right so if if solar would be
approved by staff and if and by the way
those
those two ordinances were not like
constructed together there's not like an
affairs
but if if solar has staff approval and
that regardless of the ordinance that's
being put in front of you right now with
appeal
based upon the city attorney's opinion
that is correct there wouldn't be a
right of appeal for for neighbors on
solar but currently there unless there's
a variance currently there is and so
this will then if this were to pass that
would remove is there i'm not sure that
there is if it goes to the architectural
review board and then they have a right
of appeal from that then it certainly
does if we take out architectural review
board and then it goes to this just an
idea that i think i'll need to flush out
before i'm going to move forward i think
mark should weigh in on that a little
bit yeah i'm not i don't believe that
currently
i think there's a really good argument
currently that there is no right of
appeal for a neighbor
for so someone who would otherwise have
standing in a b zap you know um
case
for a neighbor to appeal a decision of
arb on solar panels for the same reason
that there isn't a right of appeal
currently
on the case
from the zoning officer so i don't think
again i don't think this is changing
anything i think it's clarifying it
because it could be more clear
thank you let's do some more work on
that and get back to you that's cool
so mr mayor
the intent of this is to make this a
little more consistent and streamlined
is that correct
so the intent is
uh
yes the tent is to treat solar panels as
we would others other improvements that
are comparable so when we come in and
and
by the way i want to represent we're
taking this we're taking all this to be
zapp
tomorrow night our code requires bzap to
weigh in on any zoning code changes so
really interested to hear what bzap has
to say about it
as i said to you at the last meeting um
i imagine that there will be arb members
that don't like this change
i know that there are
members that do like this change so
we'll have some mixed opinions on
whether or not that's good for a or b
um the the philosophy behind this is
that
a solar panel put on a roof is is
analogous to a shingle put under
and if you don't believe that it's
analogous to a shingle put on a roof
then you're not gonna necessarily like
this ordinance if you think it rises to
a higher you know standard or not even a
higher standard but a
higher it goes into the domain of like
you know more of a public domain than a
normal roof shingle might
this still provides for design
guidelines the council has to approve so
council has to approve the design
guidelines that go into this it's say
things like you know the configuration
needs to be maybe it's you know who
knows what it'll say but it needs to be
symmetrical not scatter shot whatever
follows the roof line the colors
complementary those sorts of things that
language is in here a little bit yeah
design guidelines would further flesh it
out so staff's not making arbitrary
decisions without any sort of measuring
stick
that they're using
mr klingler can i charge you with uh
reporting to us on the comments from
bzap when they talk about this
yes thank you i do i still have actually
a further question about this um so
since it will be relegated to a staff
review can you then
not in incredible detail but kind of
describe how that process goes like
who then
you know handles this and how is it
handled what's sort of the turnaround
time is there an on-site thing or is it
a review of materials how does that go
so um it comes in a permanent
application this is true today as well
uh
zoning officer currently kathy rose
takes a look at the application kicks it
over to the design consultant who
provides feedback on it and in the
instance of something that's just after
review would review it against the
design guidelines
and provide
approval or send it back with necessary
changes based upon the standards
presented the building inspector also
takes a look at the engineering behind
it um the electrical the controls um and
then at the time of installation it's
inspected afterwards for
primarily electrical uh but also just to
make sure that it's built according to
plan
do we like have a guaranteed turnaround
time for
we don't uh 30 days is what we try okay
it's the same group that is advocating
some of these changes
would like a three-day turnaround time
on review that's pretty aggressive
but good for them and i want to make
sure that this is not only because we
are looking at seoul smart designation
and interested in this it's also based
upon feedback we've received from
residents this is
it was yeah yes and both things were
happening
um you know recently uh we had some
correspondence to
at least myself maybe some council
members from a frustrated resident who
was trying to get solar approved
felt that it was a very confusing
process felt that it really
slowed down the project and that they
would have um some issues with their
timeline that happened last year there
were some federal tax credits that were
expiring and we had residents really
upset about the fact that it was taking
months and months and months to get
solar approved and it's it's been
i was when we first wrote this this law
to a for for arb review
the language felt to me like it was
specific enough that arb could kind of
focus on the issues that we were asking
them to focus on
and
i i i not to be too candid but i've been
i've been uh i have felt that that has
not always been the case i felt that arv
has
gone past the the language
council has asked them to approve
they've gotten into recommending
additional accessory structures to house
solar panels
they've
you know
tabled solar panels several meetings
where those panels met the code they met
what you guys had asked them for and yet
they were going through this long
arduous arb process so
i do feel like we have not done a
service to our resident with the current
with the current setup um and i think
that we have a we can provide better
service to our residents and of course i
think we've there's a piece of this
that's environmental as well which is
like you know what what what is
important not just
aesthetics but also the uh what are we
doing in terms of allowing our residents
to contribute positively towards uh the
climate change issues it occurs to me
too that as the people that make up the
arb turnover as well that there could be
significant changes in how stuff is
interpreted and that as well
um quick question on the ground mounted
solar panels shall not exceed the we're
putting in the height limit for
accessory structures
and we're taking out six feet in height
what is that
i
a few months ago i had that i'm not
forgetting the height limit for
accessory structures again it's it's
just having it be analogous to other
accessory structures but i'll get you
that what that is i know what it is for
garages i'm not sure if that's universal
across all accessory structures and then
do we currently have
examples of ground-mounted solar panels
no okay
it's um just from a
practical perspective no one's
incentivized to make them taller than
they need to be because that just means
more structure so
like you're not you're not gonna make
naturally a ground-mounted solar panel
higher than you know you would need to
because that's more steel more cost to
the project
yeah
but i'll i'll get that number for you
that's a good point never mind
take it back
all right last call for comments and
questions before we move on
please let's get it all right second
reading ordinance 15-22
to amend sections 474.07
safe riding regulations for bicycles
section 474.08 parking locks section
474.12 operation of mini-bikes scooters
etc on sidewalks park and school grounds
and section 474.13
bicycle license required introduced by
mr marcelino uh nothing much to add but
again this is just cleaning up uh the
existing ordinance really and removing
some of the governmental limitations
that we no longer
see to be reasonable or necessary
including bike licenses as well as the
requirement to lock up bikes etc uh
so
sam i had a question on c we're adding
in whenever a person is riding a bicycle
on a sidewalk
and before it it just said no person
shall ride a bicycle through
any intersection involving a through
street such intersections are to be
crossed by walking the bicycle across or
through the intersection so i just
wanted to better understand
and i'm sure there's a reason why we're
adding in um that language
i i'm happy to try and give it a go if
you prefer to clarify that uh mayor
you're whatever you want mr bursa it
seems as though that uh for riding
through a stop uh excuse me through a
sidewalk
you're going to be in the path on the
side street whereas it might keep
traffic moving for a person on a bike as
opposed to every single
cross intersections having to stop and
then walk it through that's at least my
perception of what that change means
it's pretty wild when you actually read
what's what it's saying so what it's
saying today
is that every time you as a cyclist come
to a stop sign you need to get off your
bike
go to a crosswalk walk it across the
wood come back and go and that's because
our code currently says anytime you have
anything other than a street that you
could ride on you should need to take a
sidewalk that's what it's saying
so we know that that's not how we
practice we know that that's not how
we're enforcing the law we also know
it's actually an unsafe practice to put
cyclists generally on the sidewalk
it's a it's a sort of a quick static
section of our city code
and so in order to bring it into form
where we say it's okay to ride on the
street you don't have to go on a
sidewalk we're also saying you can
continue
through the street as opposed to get off
your bike at every stop sign cross
through the crosswalk come back and then
go back on the street
right yes yeah and that's important so
if you are on a sidewalk
and you're coming up to a crosswalk
drivers aren't expecting
the the movement of a cyclist at a
crosswalk so and most of our cyclists
strikes happen at crosswalks where kids
are just going straight straight through
so when we do cross with a cop
we really try to drive it home because
kids love to hear about all the crossing
rules when we do a crossbar
about
how you need to get off your bike walk
it across the crosswalk and uh
you know that that's a pretty important
state to do that and don't text while
you're walking across the crosswalk
that's another oh
yeah
and again just considering who actually
rides their bike on the sidewalk for the
most part as children i will comment
that i don't think this is i we this
past weekend when i saw jen walking
about a block later
the dog had used the restroom i was
picking up that my wife had the baby and
two young kids were coming down and
basically came to a stop to to pass on
the side so we still obviously encourage
parents to teach safe riding when on the
sidewalks but we think this will keep it
safe for children while allowing those
that are more comfortable to carry on
and not disrupt traffic
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same after looking over this ordinance
the past couple weeks i'm going to
suggest that we change the title of it
to the
i'm shocked that's the current law
[Laughter]
in order to move things along i'm going
to reject that idea
[Laughter]
yes miss sod
are we taking out the language of no
bicycle shall remain unlocked when
parked upon any public way or place
because
we want them to be free to lock them up
or not well it's not
who are we to tell people what to do in
that sense i don't think it's our place
to have this as our ordinance i mean if
you're a savvy young individual that
wants a new bike and thinks by it
getting stolen you'll get that then so
be it that's that's an entrepreneur in
this community so i don't think we
should have an uh you know an ordinance
outline
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you get what you deserve says
sam marcelino so i guess my question
would be then sam
why did we originally put it in there
i see why you're wanting to take it out
but i i'm just wondering and and you
know and i i don't know if i was even
alive when that was put in there but i i
can't go back to uh i don't look at it
as an originalist text or anything like
that i would say it's a it's a living
breathing document that we are free to
evaluate and i think at this point
there's no use for the government to uh
continue to require people to lock them
if they need to so we might as well take
it out and let people make their own
choice leave it up to the individual i
like it um okay and then the bicycle
license required
i just want to know why they're
going away
yep
just another thing leave it up to the
resident i i also think it's archaic and
i don't think it's been enforced and i
don't think that there's a need for this
uh to be part of the ordinance any
longer certainly we'll still offer
educational opportunities for young
riders with the police and such um but i
don't think that there's a need for us
to require a license for each individual
that hops on a bike
and just for fun let's do a little show
of hands here
who owns a bike in bexley that's not
licensed
oh okay we are all felons you're all
under arrest
just misdemeanors other than this
i do
they're all licensed
were they licensed within 30 days of uh
purchase
no
no i yeah i can answer that he's not
allowed to do a sting operation like
that on us is he
all right
further
for the question
that's on the public record i think
that's
that's evidence any further comments or
questions on on this uh
really intriguing uh
ordinance
all right let's keep going and now i'm
excited that uh
yeah look at that you know what comes
around gold star president of the
council she is the only nominee
who has stayed she can pick something
out from the snack box i think
you get to pick out some from the snack
box all right let's move on
do you want to make it a consent agenda
sure i mean it sounds like we've got a
lot of
questions still going on but
which one
15 assad maybe regarding bicycle laws uh
i i think we'll
direct that to you is are you okay with
this going on a consent agenda i am
because we talked through it and i i
think that uh i believe
along with sam that it's it's a decision
of the resident all right anybody else
got an objection give me the eye nope
all right we'll do that natalie all
right then we're here oh i'm sorry
we are on the second
reading of resolution 3-22 confirming
the mayor's appointment of kathleen
gravel to the board of health that was
introduced by ms robinson
kathleen our gold star nominee uh who is
still here um i know we discussed at the
uh last meeting that this would be
potentially something that we would
suspend and adopt if that's what we need
to do or do we want to just put it on
the consent agenda for next time is
there a is there a timing issue with
this one there's not a board of health
meeting before the next meeting so okay
it's every quarter so i think we're okay
yeah okay as long as you can wait in
baited
suspension
oh we'll get back to you don't call us i
think it would make a great i think
would make a great consent agenda
yes
this i think would be a fantastic
consent agenda item yeah
most definitely wait hold on
i agree this one would be a good one for
a consent agenda item i wanted to
revisit
something to maybe suggest that
ordinance 10-22 if council is
comfortable also be a consent agenda
item if that's all
right that was the
police administrative assistant position
is that okay any objections to that on
going on the consent agenda oh look at
this cleaning house all right
natalie did you get that all right
thanks
all right and then we just had a uh
i believe
doing resolution 322 consent agenda as
well so
that one looks pretty good for you
all right um
uh first readings then an ordinance
16-22 to approve changes to the bexley
civil service rules that was introduced
by it's introduced by ms robinson
uh yes so this um clearly came to light
as we are in the midst of our um search
for our new police chief and we were
looking over the um civil service rules
that existed before which required any
candidate for
chief of police to have a master's
degree and i think it was
um and and mayor kessler i'll have you
um add whatever needs to be added to the
comments that i make but we felt that um
that was a limitation that we didn't
need that there are
candidates who are well qualified who
have years of experience and um that and
i think in many people's opinion is
equal to if not more important than a
master's degree so it is uh this
ordinance would take that specification
out of the civil service rules and allow
anybody applying for the chief of police
to
have a master's degree or not
so
if there's any additional information
that needs to be added to that mayor
kessler or
president markham that's that's what
this one is all right we'll open this up
to comments or questions from city
council yes ms sod
only jen because i don't know is that a
special requirement that we have as a
municipality
are there other municipalities who have
that requirement maybe no yeah but not
it's not universal it's far from
universal i would just be curious like
we do everything as a great council as
knowing what municipalities have it and
which ones don't
i do agree though experience
speaks to
you know
this could be equivalent to
a degree but i know if we had it at one
time we're taking it away i would just
want to better understand i'm happy
i'm happy to look at you know other
communities if if the mayor anybody else
has that information but i'm happy to do
that research and get back to you and
i'll throw this out there too in my
opinion this is only a restriction this
is not a restriction on those applicants
this is a restriction on us you know we
are still free to uh to uh
we we can choose we can decide we would
like a master's degree if that's what
we're seeing a lot of but this opens us
up to more choice uh this allows us more
flexibility
and i think that's really important i
mean i would i think it's i'm grateful
that jen has volunteered to do that
research because i have not um but i i
will tell you that uh
i i
have become personally increasingly
convinced that you know education is i
believe in education i think it's very
important
i also think that
experience is incredibly important
personality disposition innovation i
mean there's so many things that
matter to any job applicant
and i
don't want to shortchange our residence
and us by saying that we're going to
reject a quality candidate because they
don't have they don't check a certain
boxes having said that if we have two
equal candidates and one has you know a
post doc in you know whatever
criminal justice or public
administration
obviously the education is going to
shine through as well so i think those
are all really important characteristics
and and
singling out a master's degree is the
only thing that you have to do
specifically to be a chief of police
uh i think is uh is
problematic for us it's it's
unnecessarily binding and restrictive
i mean frankly oh i'm sorry go ahead i'm
sorry
i was just gonna ask if we are removing
the um the master's degree requirement
can you give us maybe a flavor summary
of some of the other requirements that
are in that position i've seen the
position description but i'm not
recalling off top of my head maybe what
some of the highlight qualifications are
that we're looking at so
their
requirements have other than the degree
or experience in leadership and i think
it's five years of leadership experience
i'd have to go back and look at it but
um
other than that again i mean like i
think we should be short on requirements
and long on expectations and so like
what are we looking for in this position
and we've made that very clear in the
position description the light would
like to haves as opposed to must-haves
and then
look at that in that entire diverse
field of candidates and figure out what
works best for our community
to see all of the section of section 16
and i sent you
it's gonna be i'll try to make this a
shorter story than it's going to be we
started working on civil service
commissioners in the process of revising
all their civil service rules we started
working on this in 18 and 19 and then
went off the rails with covid and we
started over i sent you the what i sent
you was a work in process where we
eliminated some sections so it is
section 16b not 13b as i inadvertently
showed you and i emailed the mayor
because you had mentioned this too
um i just emailed you mayor
all of section 16 as it currently exists
if people want if you want to put enough
people want to see all of section 16.
again many many more changes are going
to come to you
probably sometime by this fall
or late summer of civil service rural
changes but this one needs to be
suspended and adopted
the three reading requirements simply
because we're in the process too good
point
next question was i know we had
discussed suspension and adoption do we
do we have any flexibility for this to
be potentially voted on at the next
meeting
um just so we have a chance to answer
jess's questions and some of the others
um you know i want to make sure that
council is is 100 comfortable voting
before we we actually suspend and adopt
i mean i think it could wait another two
weeks again i would just hate to that
have that become a confusing point for
members of the public or applicants if
for some reason they see that and see
our posting and decide because we have
an active job posting out right now
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mr kling does the act of job posting say
you must have a master's degree
it did i thought we got rid of that
that's why i was that's why i was giving
you a look but again that's another
reason why perhaps suspending and
adopting because like i said you have an
active job posting that may not even
reflect what our current rules are well
one of the things that was mentioned
earlier that i think is really important
to remember is this
by removing the requirement it doesn't
mean that we are not looking at people
with a master's this doesn't mean that
you if you have a master's you can't
apply this is just saying that
those who have a master's can't apply
those who don't have a master's can't
apply so i would be comfortable
suspending and adopting this evening but
i just want to make sure that those who
have questions um you know are
comfortable doing that as well so
i just throw that out too to everybody
you know so my comment on that is i
don't know that we will know the effect
right
um
and i will just frankly speak for
suspending and adopting this tonight
because if that costs us candidates that
we might look at i don't know that i
really like that
um that's just my opinion i'm open to
like people saying they just agree
i'm comfortable with adopting suspending
too
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yes
any other comments
i'm i'm some um
i don't want to muddy the light of the
waters i'm gonna just i just feel like
if we're about to suspend and adopt i
want to i want to needle this out a
little bit
so 164c i didn't read this as carefully
as i am now because we don't have the
rank of lieutenant so i kind of ignored
it
but it does say to be lieutenant or
higher
uh an officer must have received a
baccalaureate degree from a four-year
college or university
um
so that would apply to chief so i mean
that's
i
again i think that that maybe that's a
sensible thing i'd like to talk about
that i would actually prefer that you
guys think about that a little bit as
opposed to suspended up i'm
really comfortable having the
literature not mention the master's
degree requirement and then you know if
it is a requirement if council chooses
not to change that
then you know it's a requirement then it
would have to go back to civil service
and they'd have to prove taking out
paragraph c as well before city council
can vote right
right or city council could do it but
subject oh you're saying b or change of
c change c right
if c if c goes away then city council
i mean civil service commission would
have to approve it first
because those charter systems it's
because it's i believe it stands alone
this section of our civil service you
could be you could tell me i'm wrong in
terms of having educational requirements
oh i think that's absolutely crap
anywhere else right so it's interesting
that it flies
here and nowhere else i mean again yeah
i i think there's a history of that i
mean not specifically in bexley but
overall
applying to you know this desire a
desire
20 years ago 10 years ago i don't know
when you know 15 that police officers
should have
degree requirements certain degree
requirements um especially at the higher
levels i think that's where it came
probably came from i think it's probably
not uncommon but i understand what
you're saying about c we just have to
jump through hoops and make sure it all
gets taken care of before you start
vetting candidates seriously vetting
candidates
well in that case maybe we should just
go ahead with this and then
if there's any feeling that we need to
go further that we could go back to the
civil service and come back to council
yeah it's very doable is that
does that seem like a potential problem
then i mean i'm a little confused now
too to be honest no there's no problem
the problem
so when you get rid of d it means people
it means you can hire a new police chief
that doesn't have a master's degree that
chief still has to have a bachelor's
degree though right because c says
lieutenant or higher an officer must
have a bachelor's degree
sure sure so what's your question about
what the problem i mean i i guess i
didn't understand your question no i'm
hearing that there may be a problem if
we enact this that
oh no we're not going to be able to no
no you could definitely
vote tonight
to get rid of to eliminate d yeah it's
the mayor just raised the issue of c
because now we're looking at c and
but there's nothing that says it all has
to be done at the same time all right so
then my follow-up question is what are
you saying about c are you saying that
you are not comfortable with having c
stay in place
given this i'm sorry is that a that's my
question
i don't love having
i do not like having requirements to say
you may not hire someone who doesn't
have this and
sorry i have my mic off i don't like
requirements so you may hire you may not
hire someone who doesn't have a specific
prereq
if there's you know you look at the
field of candidates and
there's a compelling
reason
to hire somebody who doesn't have that
prerequisite i i just think that that's
to me
it's just not how we work and and
across the board but in in terms of
vetting eligible candidates i've i've
hired
some of our best employees who don't
meet some of the prereqs that you might
think but have such substantive and
meaningful experience so i don't love it
but but the point is the civil service
commission commission has not voted to
change it so you don't have anything to
vote on on that right now okay if i
follow up on that real quick yes please
so i i would be honest with you those
two differences they are very distinct
to me in terms of what i would expect to
see sure and so like my follow-up
question then is actually to you mr
official and then how common or uncommon
is it to have a police chief that does
not have a bachelor's degree in my
experience it's very uncommon in a city
such as bexley that's what i can i can
point to you plenty of jurisdictions
throughout the state that where they
don't have those a bachelor's degree
but they're not comparable to a central
ohio suburb fair enough so for
clarification though tonight we would be
dealing just with section d and then if
we felt that there was something that we
wanted to discuss or look into with
section c or any of the other sections
we could do that at a later time what
happens with d doesn't affect
those other things and frankly in my
opinion if we had a candidate step
forward who was compelling
and didn't set up spy c
and it was just like the rock star
candidate in all way shape or form we
could have a special meeting of council
come back
um
i think that um our art i know that our
search consultant has and has encouraged
people to apply even if they felt like
maybe they didn't meet the requirements
just
to consider so
that's lamke
if if this is the right version
i think our ordinance needs to say
16-4
d
because it references b even though the
language is different so that is what
that that that is correct so that
doesn't need to be amended thank you um
again that
the b came from
working a working draft of change other
changes keep making your notes jeff
just put me along with you i'll just
bring me along
here we go
mr clingman do you have a question too
no i'm just offering offer an opinion
i'm my opinion is i'm i'm fully
on board with the mayor's opinion of
you know
restricting it to a certain box when you
may have a candidate with 30 years
experience or 25 years experience and
you know outstanding record but
you know didn't finish college went for
three years and three quarters and for
whatever reason in the last quarter or
whatever it might be i think it's
short-sighting ourselves and we should
definitely look at that
mr clinton are you proposing then are
you in favor of
furthering the amendment then to take
out see andy is that where is that what
we're looking at i am in favor of it if
if we can if we can do that tonight we
cannot do that tonight
the civil service has to approve okay
before they come in so so i guess to get
back to it for a timeline question sorry
about that sorry
you know just because again we do have
this active posting and i think it seems
like common sense here that we're all
trending towards the masters not
necessarily being relevant towards our
search at this time uh would it be was
to move forward with uh this today to
suspend and adopt and then we can
readdress your situation because i tend
to agree with you if they have let's say
they went in the military or out instead
and have had a great career since then
we don't want to limit ourselves but i
think for at least tonight's purposes of
searching for the chief i'm going to
agree with that i think that solves 95
percent of our problem according to mr
official other comments and questions
great discussion potential
potential issue yeah discussion i
there's angles here that are being
brought up that i
wasn't thinking about and i think it's a
great discussion to better understand
and we all want to make sure that we
this is one of the most important things
that we're going to do in our term right
let's hire a new chief so let's get it
done right so i really appreciate the
discussion mr president yes mrs just
real quick
and you don't know what they're gonna
have their master's degree in and it may
have absolutely nothing to do with
music policing i mean i i did look up
the columbus police chief she does
she got hers online
i mean so there's all kinds of different
ways people get their experience so
although interestingly enough you don't
have to be peace officer certified to
become
the police chief which is exactly what
columbus did if you're for coming from
another that's true she just did
recently yeah you have a year to get it
if we wanted to go that route excellent
very good
that's interesting all right
still still available comment questions
just you guys mine was just a
logistics kind of thing do we need to
amend synthetic demand you got to
suspend and you got to adopt you may
want to take a drink of all right you
know what
it's an amendment
i think it's typographical i think we're
fine with it no amen i don't have to
amend i can just suspend i like to do
rhyming things so we're good
so then i make a motion that we suspend
and adopt
suspend the three reading i was trying
to
streamline it
i'll second that
um
and
mr mcpeek you can
oh my i lost my sorting sorry
we need to offer
public comment for that too since the
suspension and adoption
we allow public comment
on this
mr rick peake please
facade
yes mr klingler yes mr marcelino yes ms
robinson yes miss lampke yes mr markham
yes this vibe yes suspension is is past
7-0
so i
motion that we adopt
ordinance 1622 my computer just went
dark so i'm hoping i get the yes 16 22.
i'll second that and again open it for
comment and question before the vote
and to the audience as well
mr mcp
miss robinson yes it's viable
yes mr klingler yes miss lampke yes mr
markham yes assad yes mr marcelino yes
an emotion passes
sorry i made that a little more
complicated than maybe it needed to be
that's a good night we're having fun
conversations we're having fun to
consider i think we definitely need to
all right on to a first reading of 17-22
to amend section
824.03 license fee effective period in
order to eliminate garage and yard sale
license fees introduced by mrs lamke
thank you everyone
this ordinance proposes to reduce the
extraordinary fee for
um
for a fee of one dollar
so it'll be taking that away so that
it's not a burden and it's equally
applied
any questions from council
something to think about
all right mr marcelino
the purpose behind this just
originally was just to make sure that we
had a feel for for when these are taking
place or anything of that nature or do
we know
so yeah so the um this doesn't get rid
of registration and approval because
there's some standards in section 824
you can't have had a yard sale within
the past 12 months i think there's some
other things so it's like or nine months
maybe it's it's a there's a certain
period of time where the yard sale needs
to be you still need to get that
registration
and you sign on the dotted line i've
read all these rules and i comply with
them staff still needs to review to make
sure there hadn't been another one
applied
what it's it's it's a staff request
saying that this is arcane like we're
asking for a dollar from people and
people are like i don't have a dollar
and
and we can't do it online very easily
without having like created a whole
viewpoint account which is so we're just
trying to make make it easier to
administer and it's it's um
it just seems kind of comical anymore
for a dollar fee and the same also
applies for our parking permits
um i've asked i've taken a look at it it
looks like our dollar parking permit fee
is within the rule our own internal
rules
which doesn't make sense either so we're
just trying to make sure that's not
somewhere in the ordinance to get rid of
that as well but we're trying to get it
get
rid of that to simplify it for staff
also it's frankly it's just an auditing
hassle because you've got you're dealing
with cash
small bits of cash here and there and it
just adds additional unneeded complexity
thank you
but you do need to walk your bike
through the sidewalk it's good
safety first
comments and questions
if not i think we can move through this
one
and then we just have tabled ordinances
i believe we have no action on tabled
ordinances tonight unless people are
going to give me the high sign
good
and uh we get to committee reports first
up tonight is lorianne fibel
i want to thank you president for
picking me to do service because i
as a teacher i feel like it is an
amazing opportunity for me to be a
forever learner and i think all of us
um showed tonight that we're learning we
learn about our city
every time we come here we learn a
little bit about our citizens every time
we come here
i spent yesterday with some tree experts
learning about trees and that was a lot
of fun i had a good time doing that um
i also spent two hours today
at rumpke recycling and i learned all
kinds of things
and jonathan and i were having a really
big argument
um
i hope that's full of pizza no it's not
okay it's not no
but we were arguing
who says yes
i say yes jonathan said yes well he's
right
i said no
the queen of green said
it now yes
can you just do the dirty side so do not
throw away at the dirty
recycle the clean honey i would have
gotten
there is a next level additional
approach to this you could have cut it
all around that's what john wants to do
so you can compost
the bottom part nobody likes to know it
all
[Laughter]
thank you
i have just a few other lessons for you
that i learned today first of all
no dog food bags they do not recycle i'm
guilty of that one
no lithium batteries in fact
57 times there were um
there were fires they can cause fires
when they hit the belts
okay so they had 57 fires last year
aluminum cans
anybody have a lumen can with you
tonight drink a coke tonight
60 days later
you send it to rumpke 60 days later that
aluminum
will be used for
another
can that quickly they're in such high
demand
um
flatten your
water bottles anything that can be
flattened
that helps it go through the spinners or
whatever so that it can sort it out
that's another big thing the more you
can do to sort things when you put it in
the trash the better so if you have a
glass jar with a with a metal lid
take them off okay so that they because
they're going to be sorted differently
they go to different places
do not do something that lorient fiber
has done in the past where
i have put my whole bunch of recycling
in a box and put it in the thing no
it'll go all in the box
again you need to separate the stuff out
so that it goes through the the way it's
supposed to and i'm doing this because
you need to go see it
yes and then undo your box and yes it
does can do tape and i think that's it
for that
yeah
at risk of being able to know it all you
can take your lithium batteries to our
cleanup yes you can
okay and and remember the more recycling
we do the more jobs are created
so
it's amazing excellent oh that's pretty
awesome
and then and then just add on to that as
as mr kessler mayor kessler was saying
pizza boxes go with the food compost you
can just set the whole thing out there
and if you don't have food compost you
should be getting food compost
the whole pizza box you can put it right
on top of your food compost
i didn't know that see
we are forever learners do you love this
as long as there's not glue on the box
yeah there's no glue
if you come by
if you come by my house on sunday
evening you'll think we had like a bunch
of parties pizza parties throughout the
week because our neighbors come out and
put the pizza boxes on i love that
nothing for finance um
san marcelino safety and health sorry
uh nothing additional thanks matt
klingler zoning and development
committee just a couple things uh bees
at meeting this thursday april 28th
the next arb meeting is thursday may
12th and i saw a headline in the
dispatch today that
bexley high school
fourth in the state
184th in the nation
according to us newsweek
i saw that headline so i thought
i'd mention it i like i like these
numbers um
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i want to give a shout out to ohio state
bank for being an awesome community bank
and bexley community foundation because
i love the senior pole banners and i
know mrs robinson does too
i haven't found nick yet i'm looking for
him and mia diffley but um that was a
make some lemonade out of lemons during
coven
and i want to also give a shout out to
andy bayshore because in my research on
pulled banners i know that's a lot of
work for our service department to get
all those up so a huge shout out to them
but i do believe it just is what our
community is all about and it gives you
a really good feeling when you walk by
and you see these seniors being
recognized
um and it's just a special thing and i
love that we have done it i love that we
do it and i love that ohio state bank
partnered this year to help subsidize
that cost um to keep that tradition
going so
that's what i want to recognize tonight
end of report what an awesome new thing
we have now with that
strategic committee ms robinson uh two
things real quickly as a parent of a
senior i'd like to apologize in advance
for all the seniors running around in
their underwear hopefully that ends
quickly but it's really really nice to
see them having a good time during
senior tag that's insane um i did want
to
announce that our juneteenth planning
committee has been hard at work for the
last month or so and we are announcing
that we are partnering with the library
this year
and hosting our juneteenth event uh the
friday before
juneteenth this year is on a sunday and
it's father's day so we opted to do
friday june june 17th at the library
from five to eight more information will
follow but we're really really excited
about the offerings
and our potential participants and
speakers so more to come and that's it
thank you very much at this time we do
allow public comments with no speaker
slip chris if you got any comments
let it fly
uh and i will take a motion to adjourn
so moved
motion to adjourn third third again all
in favor say aye