that's all the good stuff mayor do we
need to quit no you're good we
can yeah we're good we're good okay all
right so um just to review our our code
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I'll work hard that um and in the
chair's view any presentation is
trending to be inflammatory or
confrontational will recess for 10
minutes so in terms of our process first
uh we will have a presentation by our
staff consultant um presenting a report
on the application then the applicant
will um and or their authorized
representatives will have up to 10
minutes to present their case including
uh if they choose any Witnesses or
offers of evidence if there are any
opponents any opponents would then have
three minutes uh to reflect their views
to us uh if there are any supporters
they likewise would then be given three
minutes um if there are um opponents or
supporters we'll give the applicant
another five minutes to respond to those
comments then we'll move on to the board
discussion we'll start the board
discussion with question s of the
applicant and um of our of our
consultant and then after we've asked
all the questions that we could ever
want to ask we will proceed to a
discussion among ourselves and to any
action we choose to take so Walter I
think um on the first application uh 420
North Cassidy the floor is yours see
Matt are we able there we
go okay it's the wrong one okay you want
me to wait until you get there and I'm
anxious to hear from tree commission
members afterwards if you had any issues
loading down from Dropbox or from
word I don't have
Dropbox okay um so I this this being
kind the first time I'm going through
this process I don't want to uh bore
everyone with uh
reading things that everyone has in
front of them um I think nobody nobody
really likes when that happens but if in
general um the report itself the review
itself is not in front of everyone then
I will um and Susan or Jim or Matt if
you can clarify that for me is that is
this what was written up does everybody
have access to that right now everyone
has access and typically what the
consultant has done is sort of summarize
what the project is and then
um at a high level your comments and
then as when we return to questions if
people have questions I think you can
assume they have your document and can
address more specific questions okay
great perfect and it should it's
loadable anyway I think Matt right
because the staff comments yeah okay um
so this um just kind just summarize what
what the uh what is in Greater detail on
the review uh
this uh structure this property being
the senior center U is proposed uh for
uh demolition rebuild as a mixed use uh
property um the overall conditions of
the trees and shrubs on the property uh
as I saw them I would say are are
accurate to what was in the um the plan
uh that was uh site plan that was uh
put together um not really
anything of of tremendous value on the
property uh in terms of existing
Landscaping other than uh what I would
deem to be good condition uh trees that
are along the sidewalk but will be
necessary to be removed
um for where this the proposed structure
is going to be going um
overall the uh the plan
itself
uh the removal of the trees uh that are
uh proposed
um seemed appropriate U and then the new
plant material going in quantity
location species type for the most part
all seemed appropriate uh in in
reviewing that um I like the selection
with a lot of the uh tree species uh
certainly I think in the long term we're
going to see a net gain in canopy which
I think is uh as a uh for me on
residential or commercial properties
that is always going to
be u a focus of mine that we that we see
an improvement to the property long term
um so um numbers of trees and again uh
long-term maturity of those trees I
think we
were on the right track uh and and
adding a lot of beauty to the to the
grounds
um a little bit of detail in here I I'll
I can U skip over I think that are
maybe
um maybe we can have a discussion on
this um Matt had you had presented to me
some information from a previous review
that had been done on this same property
uh discussing
the question questionability of a tree
species uh in Bexley this is not
something that I'm aware of um not
having worked for the city uh previously
but the lsia species honey locust being
something that um uh apparently
historically uh does not thrive in
Bexley uh I would love to see more
conversation around that if that is in
fact the case um and uh that that might
uh
might suggest a substitution of those
trees u in the
plan
um the plan does call for the
replacement or the the planting excuse
me of an additional Elm species along
North Cassidy uh to match what will be
remaining the street trees that will be
remaining uh and I think that that
that's a great idea that uh the
necessary steps and Care should be taken
that that matches the existing trees for
the long-term uh consistency along along
the street
there
um great selection for the most part of
plant material around the property um
I'll get kind of to the main point uh
really the only thing that caught my
attention on this and stood out
um of particular concern being a plant
selection for trellis Arbor structures
on the east and south side of the
property um I love the idea of that
being Incorporated that that design that
aesthetic being uh incorporated into the
overall plan of changing up what is
otherwise um always planting in beds
with freestanding plants but
um the species that was selected for
that was of real concern uh and that
being uh the Virginia
creeper um that is a plant that is it's
native to Ohio um I have no doubt that
it would do well in those beds my
concern is it would do a little too well
um that is a plant according to an OSU
fact sheet uh that in typical Ohio
conditions can grow 20 feet a year um
if this is on a residential property
where there is
maintenance uh where it's it can be
assumed maybe that there is going to be
regular weekly upkeep uh with the
property then I think that that's that's
a great plan it's it it is certainly an
attractive one but I think on a on a
commercial property my fear there
especially on a building that has
uh a mix of fiber cement and brick
facade that if if that gets away from uh
the maintenance Cruise it just becomes a
hassle a real hassle and and detracts
from the beauty of the of the of the
building and of the property so um again
the idea of trellis is there
um really nice idea I think there are
some better options uh for that
mentioned in the review um climbing hydr
non-invasive honeysuckle species
um or um and this is kind of a just you
know throwing out some options um I
would be curious to to see if there are
some current examples of Virginia
creeper on Commercial properties being
successfully
maintained in the col in the central
Ohio or Columbus area um
uh changing changing topics just a
little bit and uh kind of to the last
the last bit of this um review
the
documentation I believe uh we are since
we're talking about the cidy property
right now um I did not see any changes
to that there were some changes to the
other property we're going to be talking
about
um but on this one it looked like it
remained uh without any indication of
irrigation uh and again with this being
a commercial property
I um I I think there's a big difference
in the maintenance of a residential and
a commercial property with regard to
someone or a few specific people really
having a vested interest in everything
that was planted continuing to thrive
and uh and and you know by means of
proper watering proper
fertilization uh I don't really imagine
that happening on the average commercial
property whether it's a typic you know
whether it's highend or otherwise um and
I think that irrigation systems are
always a good idea on Commercial
properties for that for that reason so
um little bit of verbage in here about
um daily and
weekly uh attention typically what I
would consider weekly watering needs in
warmer weather
um and the time that it's going to take
for establishment especially of some of
these trees um if we're calling for it
looks like the plan in General on these
properties calling for 2in caliper trees
being put in that's a couple of years uh
that can be expected for those trees to
really establish regain a proper root
system and then start to kind of fight
for themselves a little bit more so that
initial uh prop for maintenance is is
really
essential
um
recommendations
uh for conditional approval of the plan
then touched on those main two items
substitution of an appropriate species
in place of the Virginia creeper on the
landscape plan uh and then including a
strong recommendation to include a
proper irrigation system for the uh for
the property or a detailed maintenance
plan that includes
supplemental watering as an annual
contracted service
um the the reality of that happening
that the latter part of that of that
sentence um I think would be
questionable much prefer uh to see
navigation system on any any heavily
landscaped commercial
property well um and end with that for
now thank you Walder uh would the
applicant like to present
make if you can make sure if that's
thank you hello everyone my name is Bill
Downing I'm a senior development project
manager with the Community Builders um
first like to say thank you to the
members of the uh the Tre public G
commission the city staff mayor Kesler
for hearing our project here today um I
think um many of you know this Project's
been a concept in Bexley for a very long
time now so I want to take a couple
minutes just to reintroduce uh the
Community Builders or TCB for short and
talk about the history of the project
and I'll I'll Ki it over to a pod design
uh to talk about the application in
itself so um if you would go over to the
next slide um Community Builders were a
a NA national nonprofit development
organization been around for 60 years
our true emphasis is on affordable
Housing and Community Development
initiatives uh successfully we built
over 33,000 uh Apartments of affordable
housing um in over 30 metros we're all
totally new in what we call the Great
Lakes region which is Ohio and the
surrounding states we're very excited to
be and proud to be in the Bexley
Community bringing this project to
fruition here with all of your
collaboration um as you know say for
about the past five years the Project's
been in various stages um it's actually
split between the two sites 420 North
Cassidy and then 2300 East Livingston uh
there's 16 units at the North Cassie
site and then another 27 units at the
Livingston site um and the Cassie site
also has the commercial uh portion of
the project which is a the future center
of the senior center there which we're
very excited to have as a partner in the
project um part of this project um and
its Inception was really to achieve uh
several goals in the stre planning for
the city of Bexley one to create a more
inclusive um and supportive nature of
affordable housing in the community and
then also to create that permanent
senior center location um again this um
we've had a long iteration of community
involvement collaboration which we're
really proud of which is brought the
project through various stages of
predevelopment the the current concept
that we have so we're really excited to
uh talk with this project uh with you
here today and really looking forward to
your feedback on our landscape design so
with that I'll Ki it over to
pod hi everybody um I'm Alex kinesi I am
with pod design and we are the landscape
Architecture Firm on the design team um
I I believe there's quite a bit of new
faces since we were here last in 2023 um
but essentially we brought this forward
and worked closely with the commission
to work towards an improval on the
Cassidy site
um in general not too much has changed
since then and I I thank you Walter for
your overview I think you did a great
job of kind of getting everything out
there um so I was just going to quickly
go over some of those revisions since
2023 um along cassid Avenue we are
retaining the existing curb and sidewalk
for this this portion of the project um
so we will have tree preservation around
those existing Elms along Cassidy
unfortunately um due to just the nature
of construction we will be taking out
the Elms that are located to the east of
that
walkway um that all being said as Walter
mentioned you know we are we are really
focused and still prioritizing the
reestablishment of that canopy coverage
across the site um in terms of
foundation planting very similar to what
we had proposed and work with the
commission on back in 23 just minor
shifts and revisions to accommodate some
building footprint um changes the
biggest Chang is on the east side um if
you remember we had had St parking in
the in the lot but once we started
getting more um uh conversation going
with the senior center and just thinking
about the demographic and a senior
center not really being a long-term
parking type of user versus the
residential we felt it was more
efficient to add the Central Drive just
for some um efficiency in the in the
parking lot with that shift we lost some
of that green space on the east side but
again just really prioritizing the
safety and circulation back there um we
are still making sure we are Greening up
that east side with some foundation
planting just some ground cover and
ornamental grasses and then again
getting back to those trell structures
just to bring some of that green
vertical and soften that that edge a
little bit um we had time in to discuss
the staff Report with TCB and we are on
board with the recommendation for
swapping out the Virginia creeper um we
were thinking one of the non-invasive
hone sules and um TCB is also on board
with irrigating both sides as well
so that's kind of my brief overview so I
think we'll turn it back to you all
thank
you sure just to give a little bit of
background from a process standpoint
they have um this application both
applications have received their
conditional use and variances from Bap
for both sites they have received their
positive design recommendation from
Architectural Review Board um and then
they are on the agenda tomorrow night
for Bap to get their to get of
appropriateness so I just wanted to
level set everyone so you guys all
understand the kind background of the
process so tomorrow then that's the last
step then right from yeah I mean other
than ours tonight yeah then they have to
submit for a building permit and then
right but I meant as far as uh as
approvals right right okay um all right
so is anyone here want to speak in
opposition to the
plan anyone want to speak in support of
the plan
um since no one's spoken in opposition
or support I think we can move on to
questions um are the members of the
commission that have questions for
either the applicant or for Walter or
Matt um Walter I'm not sure who to ask
all people um I noticed I think it's a
beautiful plan I really like it um but I
was just wondering if um a Ginko Boba so
close to the building given the size
that those can grow is that a logical
choice so my understanding is the
cultivar that was selected uh centry uh
is a fastigiate uh form of of the tree
and so uh that's going to pull the the
natural habit of that tree the canopy in
and upright uh allowing for that to be
something that gets planted in a uh in a
tighter space okay I didn't see that so
all right thank you for clarifying that
the straight
species that's what I was thinking would
be would be yeah that that
can very big in maturity and
really would would otherwise not be
appropriate and the other um just as I
was thinking the location of the Carl
Forester re grass given that it could be
alongside a asphalt Drive possibly is
it's going to be on the South Side there
um I just wonder if that grass would
would grow in that type of a condition
given that it's more of a uh wet you
know more of a moist environment type
grass I think that if we're looking at
proper irrigation for the beds um I'm
less
concerned with that
um I I get I would tend to think of that
as that grass as a fairly adapt able and
Hearty hearty plant um but uh that's
good good question to ask good good
thing to I I would say less less of a
concern if we are if we're seeing these
beds irrigated okay
um and we're talking about if I remember
the plan correctly I can't I'm trying to
read that from here but uh down along
the yeah right where he we have a
um uh I believe there is that is planted
right up against uh
privacy
uh privacy fence um so I think in that
close proximity to the fence uh we're
going to be also cutting down on any
immediate um sun to that to that those
PL that planting bed um which should
help reduce any
uh over overly dry
conditions just wanted to clarify thank
you anyone else have
questions I just have a couple questions
first of all um I love the design it's
great design love it um Mary could you
push the microphone over there this is
Adra okay this is for our stenographer
here um love the design I took a moment
I wasn't familiar with pod design I love
your designs around the city it was
really Pleasant just looking at those I
think it's really thoughtful design I
love especially at this property how you
focused on natives um and I think my
only question was just maybe even to
like gild the lily a bit um I noticed on
here that
um uh well actually on this one I was
thinking the other one um but with the
read grass I wondered if it's possible
to consider another one I know the Carl
Forester is super popular for good
reason it's got you know really nice
architectural look um but I wondered if
um and this is just coming from the vein
that I want these residents to
have the best of everything I the most
you know bird life most pollinators be
drawn to this property and I think you
guys are you know you've done that um
but I just wondered if it is um possibly
we might consider something else for
those grasses since that that can be
such a rich food source for Birds um I
looked into it I'm not familiar with
this myself but um it was formerly
called Indian grass but sorghastrum Tans
I believe might be um it has a really
similar similar um architectural profile
it's tall it's got some golden um
elements in it it blooms a little bit
later but anyway it's got some
similarities you can look into that sure
um I
think think that's my last question on
this one I had another question on your
NE on your next one but yeah love the
selections it was I mean seeing all the
natives and even the blue grma grass
that was that was really nice and I
think I think the climbing hyd D that's
a great suggestion too like maybe not on
the South Side I don't know how much
shading it has but east side would be
great and then the lon SAS and braon
would draw like some hummingbirds and
all sorts of interesting things on the
southide it other
questions
jul have we confirmed um
just about the irrigation it's is is
that still in
discussion or so I I not see a revision
on this property that stated uh the way
I saw on the next one we're going to be
talking about on Limington Avenue uh any
addition to the um landscape plan uh
that stated that all planting beds are
will be irrigated but it sounds like
that is the plan yeah yeah it is the
plan for both sides we confirmed it with
PCB thank you so much
okay I I was just going to ask about uh
furniture and lighting and I did not see
a drop sheet on that so I'm assuming
you're going to have furniture and
lighting yes um so we actually were
talking about lighting today a little
bit um back in 23 we discussed there's
an existing lamp post just south uh west
of the property line right there kind of
in the alley that will stay um which
does a pretty good job at Illuminating
that space currently um and then the
mean the one on the on the on the Alley
side on the Alley side on the okay yeah
down that southwest corner right right I
just saw that today and then um the rest
we would be relying on the building
lighting which I think is still in
design
currently um in terms of furniture that
is something that we would work through
a little bit more with the city um we
are proposing standard bike racks and
trash receptacles through the city of
Bexley standard um they match I believe
the Main Street guidelines um I do have
a small amenity Courtyard here on the
Southeast side and so we're still trying
to work through what those Furnishings
are and um who those are by currently
but we didn't submit anything this this
round but yeah those are those are to
come and so um to Sheila's point I just
want to confirm um the irrigation will
also be in the tree lawn between the
sidewalk and
curb yes okay that way so um I don't
know if you can remember that we had a
large discussion last time about whether
we should plant Maples in the tree lawn
on the North side and so I think this is
a happy outcome of having having the
Elms be a continuous look along the
along the turn there let's
see I think that might it for me so um
the the I remember also there's a lot of
discussion about the wall between um the
apartment building and the blue spot
yoga and is the are the materials for
that clarified yet or is that still a
decision to
come so yes I'm not sure if we have a
photo of the I think we do in the
presentation here of that Courtyard area
are you able to scroll you mean that
like the pergola yes so we have a perola
I think it shows some of the other maybe
not oh this is in the presentation
material so in the actual presentation
we have
a we do a lot of this has been described
as um kind of larger frame um commercial
um style structures
um uh I can send you we can share more
information from architectural deck um
that shows that details on this because
we have put together a pre detailed
diagram RDL has um so and that's been in
collaboration with the Architectural
Review Board and the city and putting
together those those
dets all your questions no that's all my
question so I can call in Jim Wilson now
if he has questions um these are more
questions um in terms of trying to
remember what we did before and and that
so the trees um the North Street there
is Columbus is that right and um you're
proposing honey locusts now I think they
when we discussed this previously no I
think they're honey Locus on Columbus
right they are on this version they are
honey Locus um and I think the street
tree is a sugar maple right right that's
what that's how we got you know that's
why our discussion was concerns about
given climate change uh the
survivability of that I guess my
question is why honey Locus I know
there's a an addition of the Beck times
coming up where where um our our
arborist says that's one of his least
favorite trees um because
of yes droppings and stuff
and well we've never is that right we
won't call Grant inconsistent when he's
not here but I I'm just wondering why
honey locust was chosen and also if if
Spencer has any views on whether that's
a a good tree for that location sure
yeah I mean we are we're open to those
becoming the Elms um we I I know the
previous discussion with the maples and
the concerns for that honey locust in
our experience is typically a pretty
durable tree um pretty tolerant of of
salt and um just general Urban
conditions right there along the road
but we we are open to swapping those
out yeah I agree I think that honey
Locus are super adaptable and Hardy and
that's the reason why many
municipalities use them so frequently I
think they would be
fine all right I don't that's the only
question I will add if I may um I don't
think that this was touched on in the
review
um but um
just in general I think a conversation
to be had about the future use of sugar
Maples in urban settings there's a lot
of uh evidence that we are starting to
see that as a even though it's a native
tree to Ohio uh but more so in Southern
Ohio but as things are shifting uh the
climate uh we're starting to see uh what
looks to be in some cases a general
decline of that tree species and I don't
know if that was touched on in a
previous meeting meeting or it sounded
like maybe there was some discussion of
that maybe not being an appropriate
Street tree but um so
um something I think that is is worth um
keeping in mind if that tree comes up in
a plan um I wish that weren't the case
because they're beautiful trees and and
they um they they have never had
problems up until recently so yeah when
we have had um any discussions about
Maples over the last couple years here
and uh agree I think with what you've
said Walter and what Spencer said and
then every fall we see how beautiful
they are and we have regrets about um
the thought of not planning them in the
future
but And to clarify in case
U what I'm specifically referring to is
a lot of U science right now that is
suggesting that increasing soil
temperatures are starting to actually um
hurt the root systems of of that tree
species in particular um and in an urban
setting where you don't have as much
surrounding canopy um that that could
potentially be
exacerbated all right well I'd like to
commend the members of the commission
for sticking to questions and not
discussion um so is there any discussion
among members of the commission before
we move to a motion
is I um does
anybody have other questions for
committee members or discussion I guess
part of my no no questions just
discussion just discussions okay my
discussion would
be um again looking at what Grant said
about um the honey locust one it's one
of his least or three least favorite
species because they're messy and high
maintenance and my concern is also that
sometimes they are not comp able with
sidewalks so it's just just a
concern because they raise a side
sidewalks just discussing we could we
could just say part of our discussion
would be we'd like to we like to suggest
Alternatives so this is a discussion
Among Us among just among the group well
then I have a question charie
tell me more about this Elm that is
proposed like why did we choose this
because I think this is a Mor Elm um the
New Horizon New Horizon like production
probably American Asian cross yeah yeah
right from the Morton arvum to there so
ecologically does it provide benefits to
the you know ecos it's GNA be good for
leopard Opa and other things like that
okay but certainly some other species
diversity would be
greaty Locus or mediocre but they drop
their leaves early so Leaf trucks get
them that's
nice they can go on the first run the
first run the so then yeah so if we're
GNA talk about that then why do we not
recommend more like Red Oaks they grow
fast they're they tend to be Hardy
obviously super you know ecosystem
what's the tree on size yeah that was
that was my concern yeah the Tre Tre
size Walter on our
side I can tell
you certainly would be for a
straight what was well I mean straight
species the rubra obviously would be too
large but what about like coenia coenia
um some of the other more even reliably
Red Oak you know red for fall
o
um I don't know there's a I yeah I mean
I don't think they're quite as large in
the final analysis there is um I really
I maybe I don't know when would be the
time to discuss that but there are there
are a dozen species we could start to
discuss of um you know that may not get
quite as quite as big um
there's also the possibility that we
suggest that um that pod design look in
an alternative and prove or not approve
the plan and and then return with couple
suggestions that keeps it moving forward
without with that still few little
stipulations I might be a new voice in
this but I I actually like Leaf
variegation I like ornamental feature V
you know variety so like having a red
oak having the different Leaf you know
shape size those different things I
think that actually adds to the
atmosphere along there versus having
more similar things and then if you look
at also ecosystem benefits and that
becomes even more interesting but again
I don't know that this is the
appropriate place you're right to have
that discussion I was just curious as
I'm thinking about those
things yeah I'm happy to be part of that
discussion with who whomever that and
kind of add my my opinions to that um
lots of different things to choose from
uh if we're going down the route of o we
need to consider fruit fruit drop when
as the trees get older along the street
that's Maybe not maybe not the right
choice to have um Mr Wilson so my
suggestion and when we get to a motion U
and less convinced otherwise my motion
would be that we approve this with a
couple conditions and one would be that
uh along Columbus that they that the
developer uh consult with the Ci City
Forestry Department and with Walter um
to to make an ultimate decision whether
the honey locusts are the the best tree
to plant there um and but give them the
permission to substitute a species
that's approved by the city Forestry
Department in Walter any other questions
or discussion okay so you know some of
the things that we've talked about today
are irrigation um uh a Furniture
lighting um walls those kind of things
that's called for in the ordinance that
we review which is um
Street Furniture lighting walls and
fences hydrants who wants to talk about
hydrants but maybe the maybe you'll need
one I was going to say for for the
apartment building so um I will take a
motion and whoever makes a motion can
consider those additional objectives or
not Mr Wilson I would like to make a
motion that we approve the plan is
submitted with the following conditions
one is the substitution of of um either
the non-invasive honeysuckle or
appropriate species of hydrangea for the
uh is it Virginia sweet Creeper Creeper
yeah Virginia sweet Spire so I get
confused yeah um um secondly that the
that the property be irriated as
described in the
presentation uh third that there be
appropriate
UMES and um other fixtures consistent
with the requirements of the ordinance
and then finally that um that the
developer consult with the city Forestry
Department and with our landscape
Consulting consultant regarding whether
honey locusts are the optimal tree for
col along Columbus Avenue uh and allow U
the developer to substitute another
species with the approval of uh the
landscape consultant at the Forestry
Department
is there a second second okay Charlie
second is there any discussion I have a
question is there maintenance in the
project I mean or is
that part of what we was listed um my
understanding listening to Walter was
that the main maintenance was uh sort of
if there wasn't an irrigation plan
correct when I what I had touched on
with correct with maintenance was um the
as an alternative
there being a detailed plan of proper U
supplemental irrigation for the first uh
one to two seasons
um my experience in the industry would
tell me that that's not a realistic
thing to ask for
uh and I don't know long term if that
would actually be any cheaper than an
irrigation system being included in the
plan to begin with um
certainly like not as effective so
otherwise maintenance um it is my
understanding that that is not a
requirement as part of this process that
um being that that's that's going to be
something that property management would
take
on after the fact yeah become sure yeah
great yeah that becomes a our landscape
inspector manette freedlander um we'll
inspect that and it becomes a code
Enforcement issue so it becomes my
problem lucky for Matt yeah okay any
other
discussion you have one more I had one
more Walter I had the other three I had
the one the three you had and he
mentioned that the proposed three-inch
caliper trees be watered regularly so
they may establish the
that I didn't make that part of my
motion but I heard it and he mentioned
it so I tied it up and I add it with
permission okay the per the
um gives Mr Wilson permission to amend
his motion add an additional commission
the regular watering of the of the pre
caliber and larger trees to ensure that
they
uh survive and
thrive any other
discussion okay a motion to maid
seconded that we approve the landscape
plan as submitted with these conditions
that the um Virginia creeper uh uh be
swapped out for either Climbing
Hydrangea or a non-invasive
honeysuckle um and that the property be
irrigated including the tree Lawns and
that the irrigation uh provide
regular uh watering for the 3inch calber
trees um that the um the uh sheets on
the benches the cut sheets on the
benches and um the other Furniture
brought back to us at a later time and
that um the I have some
development what did I what did I miss
there oh and that the uh City Forestry
Department in cons consultation with the
uh landscape designer staff consultant
um work with pod design to look at
alternates to the honey locust on the
north side of
property all those in favor say I I all
those willst same sign okay motion car
okay thank you now here we go
again all right we ready yeah yeah we
now have before us the application for
2200 East
Livingston um which is it's actually
2300 I think I we have it wrong in the
agenda 2300 yeah 2300 East Livingston I
think we uh we'll start again with
Walter and um just a reminder to folks
who've been on the commission this is
not a property that we've previously
reviewed we had looked at a previous
plan for the the north cidy property but
not this
one okay thank you Jim uh so uh I will
try to not be too repetitive a lot of
this stuff is going to overlap being
another commercial property uh uh
existing structure structures on the
property of uh I I funeral home um
I not in service at this time no I hope
not what for a few years um a lot of the
existing plant material of uh on I would
say most of the existing plant material
on the property uh whether we whether
the building was getting demoed or not
uh it's time for a change um not in
great condition some of the on the
property I would even uh uh I would even
deem to be approaching the level of
hazardous um so
um as as I said on the previous plan I
think that the uh this landscape plan uh
calling for a total of and this actually
this number may have changed with the
revision but in uh in this part uh I did
not revise this number uh 39 large
deciduous trees and eight ornamental
trees I'm assuming if that did change
it's not going to be by any drastic
amount um I think that's a great plan
overall throughout the property uh to
really again uh have a net gain of
canopy as all of that starts to
mature
um we'll touch real quick may may maybe
we don't really need to get into detail
here U on the preliminary plant list for
this property uh there was uh a uh
Virginia creeper was included on the
plant pallet um I I reviewed the
landscape plan I don't know how many
times looking for the lettering uh and I
couldn't find it and so I'm assuming
maybe it was as was part of the plant
pallet to pull from as the design came
together but maybe wasn't used um and we
discuss that if that's not the case but
if it is not
on um the actual design then if um it's
really maybe nothing to discuss there if
it is then it's the exact same exact
same discussion as the last review uh in
terms of recommending it be um
substituted
um the revision uh that was submitted on
March 16th uh included some changes to
the plant
pallet and the corresponding landscape
plan
um not many but um of particular concern
in reviewing that was the addition of a
of a holly species eix vomitoria
Shillings uh cultivar Schillings or uh
dwarf yaoon
Holly I had to look this one up um I was
not at all familiar with this plant and
in doing so uh reading up on a couple
different sources uh this plant is
consistently listed as being in uh USDA
hardiness Zone 7 to n um I have no doubt
in my mind that none of them would
survive uh one one or two Ohio Winters
um so I'm I am curious why that was
suggested as an alternative um or in the
revision to this landscape um I don't um
I would love to be educated actually
about this plant here but all of the
sources that um that
I uh found for uh for information on
this plant talked about it as a staple
uh landscape shrub in Southern Climate
getting down into the Carolinas and then
even into Florida so
um irrigation um I kind of went into a
little bit of detail originally but I
will skip over most of that again
talking about the
uh General accepted rule of one year of
reestablishment for every inch of trunk
caliber so as we get into some of these
bigger trees we have to expect uh that
they're going to need some assistance in
the first uh in the first years in the
landscape on this property in particular
we've got a very significant amount of
the landscape on the South and West
sides of this building um and without
supplemental irrigation
uh without provided Irrigation in the
plan uh I think that would be an
unacceptable loss of plant material
especially with radiating heat from all
of the hard surfaces in this area so the
um that revised plan submitted on the
16th also included um verbage under the
notes on um sheet
L2 uh do1 which um States all planting
areas are to be irrigated so I think
that we have we have addressed that
issue
um so little little quicker wrap up on
this one um the uh conditional approval
of the plan uh pending the following
Virginia creeper issue addressed if if
it is one if it's already not in the
final plan then then that's taken care
of um the Holly species uh replaced with
a suitable and sight appropriate
alternative shrub um or again if I would
love to I would love to know if there if
that plant is being grown successfully
in Columbus um and and is established
for several years or more with
minimal uh cold damage or
loss uh and then the irrigation system
again um sounds like we have we've
addressed that so
U thank you
all would you like to present for the
app sure
come back Bill do you want to say
anything
okay um Matt want to just give some
context yeah just a couple contexts from
the city standpoint um there was um we
we worked out the fense issue with the
um neighbor to the north
um she wanted more security for her
property um in L of ballards we came up
with a solution where uh the fence post
will be centered on the parking um sort
of the the parking lot so so up here on
the north side of the property so if a
if a car pulls into a space they hit a
fence post not go through a fence panel
um that was one and then on your
application here um and again this was
done kind of we're still coordinating
with the joint limine Avenue plan but we
have a 10- foot sidewalk coming through
this portion of Livingston Avenue and I
think they show an 8 foot sidewalk so
they're G to adjust that and make the 10
foot sidewalk to coordinate so it's all
one width all the way down through the
residential district I thought I read 12
foot did I uh well there's there's some
variation it there's a foot on either
side for other things but it's a 10 foot
shared use path down there they showed
us an eight foot shared use path
but that's all from the city side thank
you man sorry go ahead um yeah I think
uh really quick to Matt's Point um um
just before we get into all the details
of it we working through those revisions
today uh just to kind of see what that
two foot offset north um into our
foundation planting there would do I
don't know if that's detail we'd want to
get into at this point or um just send
in an additional exhibit but I can kind
of run through the initial thoughts for
everything first and then we can come
back to that that makes sense okay um so
I'll just quickly kind of go through our
process here um on the south side we had
the joint Livingston Avenue plan to kind
of kick things off uh so you'll see some
of those kind of more similarities to
the Main Street um Corridor with the
curbed planter the it's showing it's 8
foot but will be 10- foot sidewalk um
the foundation planting and some of
those seeding notes along the way um
bike racks kind of position there and in
between the Planters very very similar
to what you would expect along Main
Street with the the new um joint
Livingston Avenue plan um as we
transition over to the east side we're
getting more into that residential
character so um the frontage of those
units are actually a town home style so
you'll see a bit of a more um
traditional townhouse foundation
planting along the base of those porches
um then just extending the the
residential um Street Tree Lawn from uh
Francis Avenue down hopping over to the
West Side this is where the revision
came in um from our original submitt
you'll see a lot more planting over here
we did have a little bit of lawn SP
space in that in that area um there is a
a short retaining wall on the property
line that steps down to the auto shops
parking lot so we really wanted to
discourage circulation on that West Side
there um and also help kind of buffer
that view to the parking lot for some of
those units so we did um beep up with
some Evergreens uh along that space and
and just filled that with Evergreen
planting and some hydranges which is was
the main revision from last time or last
middle um along the north side just kind
of continuing the foundation planting
with a little bit more shade tolerance
right up against the building and then
we are proposing this small amenity
Courtyard space kind of in that nor that
Central Area there um the thought there
is that's a little bit more of a loose
organic type of approach uh shade garden
with plethora hosta Fern and that that
kind of plant
palette um but I think that's that's the
overall just oh and then the Holly that
was actually a mistake so we um we were
actually going to be proposing a um a
compact inkberry not the the yelpin
Holly I'm sorry you were going to
replace it with what uh we were going to
do the compact inkberry inkberry
yeah um and then regarding the Virginia
creeper we did have it on the trellis
that is at the main entry but again same
thing we're open I I think this
application probably lends itself to the
plan climbing hydrange more so just
given the nature of the the style of the
trellis that it would be climbing
on but it's in that South um Southeast
corner there kind of over the over the
ramp anything else anyone want to speak
in opposition to the
application anyone want to speak in
favor of the
application I have more questions
actually so um no swearing it okay my
name is Leah Turner I am the north
neighbor I want to thank Matt and and
the mayor and Sam arcelino for working
together to make uh that a realistic uh
solution for us um and something that's
you know will make us feel safe on the
other side with all those cars um I
think you referred to something about
the north side um so I'd be interested
in in what you have for that um because
I notic that you know everywhere else
around the lot except for the north I do
realize there are power lines there and
it's very difficult to grow things but
somehow I've managed to grow some things
there um even with storms and Ice um but
I would like to see more things and more
plant material on the north um north
side because there are a lot of birds
and animals that the flow between um the
trees and bushes that we have now and
and and they go back in the um the back
of our property and there's kind of a
lot of a trees back there it's like a
little small mini um for mini Forest um
but anyway
um so I would like to see more and I
thought that the
um the area in the back there was more
going to be um the amenity spot I
thought they might have more um place
for places for children to you crawl on
because initially I suggested some place
for the kids to play where the parents
would have an opportunity to be able to
view them while they're in their home so
I was hoping for something to look more
like climbing equipment um I'm not sure
um if that idea has gone by the
wayside um and then
on on the what is the the West Side um I
know when I plant Evergreens that I'm um
trimming up to like waist level so I can
see who might be below there so um I'm
not sure exactly you know what you have
in mind but I think um it's a good place
for someone to hide um it's it's
happened in that area where people hide
a lot there um so they keep that in mind
and I I assume they're also putting up a
fence there or it looks like the same
one in the in the um
drawings ma'am if you want to suggest
questions for us to ask that's
appropriate you're allowed to make a
statement not question anyone so if you
have questions that you would suggest
that we ask the applicant that yes
please ask the applicant thank you thank
you
Leah does the applicant want to
respond um I think I'll start with the
amenity Courtyard um we will have
additional elements in there the general
idea for that space is um an amenity
space for all the users of the building
so we're thinking a kind of interpretive
nature play so think like Boulders and
and that kind of thing that kids can
crawl on but not too suggestive of true
playground equipment um we were looking
at potentially some log steppers and
just just some little things along the
edges so we still have a small space
sheet of that people to open or people
to come out and eat lunch or sit sit on
the on the grass but um still some of
those interactive elements for for kids
to play
on H there there I wanted to bring this
up because I think you're talking about
this kind of area right here right yep
yeah
there yeah and we were still working
through some of the approval processes
and um wanted to get through the final
building footprint and understand what
our space was there before we knew
exactly what was going in there I think
we have a pretty good idea now and um we
can we can bring those forward
too um if that's everything then it's
the commission's turn to ask you and and
staff
questions who would like to
start well I could start because mine's
mine's pretty easy um I don't know if Le
is on the north side of this property
but when I was looking there today there
are Arbor VY on the north side of that
fence and um I was just curious about uh
whether those would be protected during
construction and if we need to uh
consider what is the possibility that
they will fail because if it's right on
the property line there's a good chance
that those roots could be disturbed sure
the TCB uh we we've worked with Leo on
this exact topic working with our
construction team to make sure that we
do not uh damage the those Evergreens as
we're doing construction putting up the
new fence there um in the event that we
do damage them and those die we've
agreed to replace them with with the
owner thank you that's
helpful that your only question that was
uh go ahead for now right other
commission members you have
questions
address I noticed actually I looked at
2300 before um the Cassidy project I was
going to actually suggest vinka Miner um
on Livingston actually in the coffins is
an invasive and so I thought maybe we
could think about something else that I
was to suggest the rose aromatica
because it's so nice it smells great you
have it on the other property as well
which you know suggests continuity
between the two and you know as they're
going to be Flagship properties anyway
um I thought they'd be nice and they
would do fantastic Bally in that
location as well um the other thing I
was going to ask same ve is um and again
you all are the experts in what you do
um I wondered about the grass again if
we could put in the native grass if
that's if it's possible course with the
design as you look into that and then um
the couple other things were you pastas
I know super popular plant loveing
myself I've started looking to other
things one um possibly is the baptisia
Australis the cigo which is really nice
some really nice ornamental qualities um
is really fun for kids to play with I
think even you know as the weather turns
colder with the seed packets on the top
and it's just a beautiful beautiful
summer thing up has some really nice
blooms and then um hcra would be another
one a rainbow of colors um
and I think that might be it oh um as
far as the vines go I'm not sure if I
actually have a climbing hyd drra on the
south side of my house and it is not
happy um it tends to like shade and I
wondered if maybe some other interesting
vines that are you know like a passion
vine it can be really aggressive but
it's really interesting it is a native
um has some nice ornamental features and
the really interesting flower and then
again the lon SAS and bvon the native
honeysuckle which is a hummingbird
magnet and um you know it's nice a
seasonal plant and smells
amazing I love that that's my last
actually I love how you included the
Amal lankier which is an a great tree
especially with people nearby and then
um the Sweet By Magnolia I don't think
there's quite any smell like that it's
just going be really nice in the
property so again really appreciate your
designs your sectionals
are is really nice at design with
that other
questions um I think we're replacing the
street trees along Livingston is that
correct yes yeah so all trees on the
site are proposed to come down um and
then the Livingston Street tree
replacement would be in accordance with
the joint Livingston Avenue plan oh okay
because it's aova according to what I
have it and I think it's it's listed on
here as a um Maple maybe uh I think we
have Elm there currently that's it and
we um we were having some conversation
with Grant on those as well and we would
be open to doing having more
conversation to make sure we're looking
at that as a whole yeah it's a great
design and the building too looks really
interesting
so thank you that's all I have thank you
can I can I clarify the zel the street
tree question for Livingston the zelkova
was it's we actually don't have R ofo in
Livingston so zelkova has been put in
planting easements in the commercial
portion uh East sorry west of college
where uh there's just not that much room
and so they're because they're a little
more columnar they've worked well there
and they're super Hardy as we have found
which is good um we literally just had a
conversation this week with uh the
planners as part of the joint liem plan
um the street tree selection is going to
be down the pike in terms of what ends
up being the actual Street Tree on
Livingston when there is a tree which is
part of the plan so it's good news just
a little addition to um to the zova is
that the zovas that are east of a
college were um installed with the
maintenance and planting agreement by
the neighbors so if Matt lived on
Livingston he wanted a tree and signed
an agreement then a tree just showed up
so that's how we we had we got some in
place there okay Mr Wilson back to you I
have no questions does everyone oh I
Susan you like to ask a I found one more
in here and that was I did not see what
you were calling out for the Evergreen
on the West Side did you did you call
that out did I miss it um so we have a
couple groupings there um it is the
north and south of flanking um with some
sea greens and then we have our
braiy along the edge there kind of in
the
center um I didn't see I only saw a
deciduous called out here so maybe I
dismissed
somewhere oh I think they might be in
the
shrubs group
there yeah they're in the sh
group there sometimes um we ask things
for you to consider and it's it's not a
mandate so one of the um aspects of
planning that it seems to make a
property more interesting is if there's
a variety of Evergreens instead of all
just Arbor um
that becomes you know I think a little
bit monotonous and and and doesn't uh
what should I say and doesn't show off
the property in the way that it could be
shown off so that could be a
consideration sure
agreed Mr Wilson questions is it your
turn it seem to have moved a little past
questions um if there aren't any other
questions um discussion among the
members of the commission
I have some requests for clarification
from commission members um since I might
be the person to make a motion here um
um Audrey did You' mentioned the wells
and you had suggested another uh
planting in there but my ear wasn't
quick enough to write down what it was
it's a um sumac Gro sumac Roose
aromatica
it's on it's listed on their other
drawing in the coffins as well so if I
were to say Gro suat that would be
sufficient thank you a lawyer in the
room who doesn't hasn't studied Latin
since high school sorry um are there
other so just in terms of conditions
that I've heard I've with respect to
replacing the Virginia creeper I think
concern was raised around um how it
would do on the southern Bas um and um
so perhaps we want to make uh ask the
applicant to substitute Climbing
Hydrangea or um a non-invasive
honeysuckle if we think that would do
better is that what I heard in the
conversation and um I think the Holly
we've we've heard would be replaced by
inkberry um irrigation is mentioned but
just to be clear that that'd be part of
the plan are there other conditions that
folks think we would want to
include I think that uh the furniture
again all those um that are still in
process with both probably the city as
you know commercial districts discussion
as well as the landscape or the joint
Livingston so that we would ask the the
applicant to coordinate with the
building department on the the furniture
and other outdoor Furnishings or they
could return When um you know there
might be options so they could return
and just share with us a potential plan
so we would give them the option of
those two things is that what you're
suggesting no I was suggesting they
return I suggesting they return okay
um are you ready for a motion is is
everyone ready for motion okay yes um I
move that we approve the plan as
submitted with the following um
modifications first of all that um the
applicant substitute um uh either
climbing hydrangea or non-invasive
honeysuckle for the Virginia creeper um
that we uh clarify that the Holly would
be replaced by an
inkberry um that in the wells Al low gr
sumac would be replaced would replace
the plant on the plan uh that we would
clarify that irrigation is going to be
provided and that we ask the applicant
to come back to us when it's ready to
seek approval of uh furniture and other
Furnishings on the exterior of the pro
property is there a second second is
there any
discussion is someone there oh yes so um
regarding the substitution for the
ground cover in the planting bed
um was listening to the discussion about
that there are lots of options there are
lots of things that can go in lots of
places um if we are turning that into a
condition I'm curious why um um I don't
know if that there was a lot of
discussion
around any significant improvements um
to be had with that plant versus what
was on the plan um and I I so I'm I'm
wondering if maybe we need to clarify
that a bit yeah um you know one of the
one of the things to consider in this
situation um
with that recommendation over something
like vinco Miner is um we're talking
about an area that I would
imagine has um more frequent than usual
trash that might have to get picked up
from from landscape heads um my
experience with u fragrant sumac and the
little bit more height that that
can uh can have in maturity is that it
could become a little bit more of a
um catchall for random debris um and uh
I think it's a great option for that bed
but uh I guess I'm curious why we would
be moving
to swap out the bco miner I think you
had mentioned just the
um the nature of that plant uh uh in
terms of its I I guess I don't I don't
know if I would consider that to be an
invasive species um it certainly is a
hearty one though and and an appropriate
one I think for conditions like this um
so just open
to yeah great Point um yeah I agree I I
think it's on oipc Ohio embas of plant
Council it's listed it's not technically
invasive I think the concern is if it
gets in if it's anywhere near a natural
area then it escapes quickly and does
colonize quickly but you're right I I
don't know it needs to be a requirement
um I think my suggestions are to go back
to the experts and you guys consider
with your experience I'm not you know in
the trade um I have knowledge and
schooling to back it up but but yeah I
think that's great I don't know that we
need to require it as a necessary swap I
think that's a great Point um yeah it
was just my concern is that I think
there's probably other options Gro sumac
since it was on the others although
those beds coffins um are in a slightly
different placement you know there isn't
the high traffic right there but I mean
that's a great Point
yeah yeah it's definitely invasive in
neighboring states classified as
invasive in neighboring states and it
does have that tendency in Ohio like
Jeffrey Woods for sure any un any
unmanaged woods you'll see that
often a Madam yes if I could suggest a
way through this may um I think actually
what we did with 2200 East Main was
suggest that when it came time to plant
those beds or coffins or whatever we
call them Wells yeah Wells um that they
come back to us and we were going to
study um less invasive species for
ground cover like that so uh maybe since
they're going to come back with the
Furnishings we could just add that ask
that when they come back with the
Furnishings they also uh revisit the
discussion as to the appropriate ground
cover in the
wells any other
discussion if that were on our list of
invasive plants that aren't permitted on
city property then we could put that
condition in there isn't that correct
because we do have a vegetation we weed
Control Ordinance which has vegetation
you know things that are considered
noxious weeds yes I don't think that
think is on it though right not yet no
but I'm just saying if it were right at
another time no I think it's a part of a
larger question as to what we would
recommend as an appropriate ground cover
in the city and I think we probably need
to re visit that on our agenda at some
point right okay any other discussion
okay a motion being seconded that we
approve the landscape design as
presented for 2300 East Livingston with
the following conditions that the um uh
Climbing Hydrangea or non-invasive
honeysuckle be considered for the or be
required for the um Virginia creeper
that the isix be an inkberry that um
that you return at the appropriate time
with a recommendation on uh the ground
cover for the uh tree Wells that there
be irrigation both in the tree Lawns and
around and that uh to Walter's point
that we have um weekly irrigation 3-inch
caliber
trees that did I say that
wrong and and come back for approval
Furnishings yeah along
with that may have been misunderstood in
the last review of that this you know
specifying those trees as needing any
more water than anything else just the
large caliber trees
the larger the caliper of the tree the
the more it needs the more the more
attention it it it potentially needs uh
we certainly don't want to be
overwatering anything but um proper
proper irrigation of all plant
material uh so and and then did I say
the approval of the Furnishings as you
coordinate with the commercial uh design
guidelines the city's doing and the
joint L and ADV plan so all those in
favor say I I all those oppos same sign
okay motion carries
so well congratulations uh you know it's
but it's been a log hard climb as I say
and we look forward to seeing you back
some other time for just the PS on all
these um these decisions and details so
thank you very much thank you everybody
thank
you okay onwards we go here um we're
going to any residents
comments okay then we're going under
announcements and small victories as you
may know we have dozens of Arbor Day
activities coming up um I think there
might be one or two or three every day
so I do want to thank those of you who
wrote articles for this week's Beckley
times um Charlie thank you it was
Charlie's Charlie did the
quiz so I don't know if you saw that or
not but here's the quiz Mary did a story
on the arvoredum Jim did one on I think
I just edited everything okay Bexley
Bloomer Sheila did something something
on Landmark trees um everybody had a
part I would have to say the mayor was
at his most um what should I say
melodic uh vocabulary ever in his
introduction I there was just one great
adjective and adverb after another so
thank you it was it's really terrific
and then the Bexley historical society
and the library helped with this little
clipping from
1936 um
the first tree superintendent was called
a warden and you know it's kind of
prison-like so maybe maybe it's a
possibility I mean Matt and Walter were
surgeons maybe warden's also another
iteration of that title but anyway thank
thanks to everybody for that a few
things um Sheila your Landmark tree
nominations are due yes um April 11th
they are due and um we are encouraging
our tree commission to nominate their
most favorite white oak trees and get
them in um I know it's difficult to
identify them but there is if you Google
any information and I'm happy to give
you any information about identifying
them without the leaves and looking at
the bark and the structure that we do
have white oak and um as Spencer was
pointing out to me we have sever several
white swamp Oaks that um we've
identified and given flaps to over the
last few years as well so cheer on and
then um you know it'll be fun to tie
those yellow ribbons yes it will and
then the mayor's going to plant uh trees
with the Jeffrey Mansion preschoolers
again this year which is great having a
movie at the Drexel Giants rising and uh
Jim is going to do a talk back
afterwards titled the benefit of the of
trees outside the sequa world so it's
free you just go to the Drexel 80
minutes the concession stand will be
open um Amy St Amy Stewart's coming to
talk about um the tree collectors and
there's also a fundraiser for the
drunken botanist at 107 North Ashburn
tour um of the governor's residence
Heritage Gardens all that good stuff so
good stuff it's good stuff and the mayor
had has a dozen more he can talk about
as well um let's move on to the
Community Gardens and rooted in Bexley
lecture series Mary um just real quick
on the gardens I just wanted to say that
um we once again have a waiting list and
we had our first kickoff meeting um last
week and it was nice to meet all of our
new gardeners and um so that's going
well and then um as far as rooted in
Bexley we finished up with Zoe schlanger
we had over we had about 300 people
attend our sessions this year which was
great a lot of people come in and go to
lunch and enjoy going to like grammar C
and kitties as well so it's a real nice
um PR event for the community as well
and we also have the uh YouTube streams
that are a big part of that as well so
that's all I wanted to say so how many
are on your waiting list with Community
Gardens um I have 12 at North and 13 at
South 25 that's good on the waiting so
um sometimes you know as your mother
taught you give thanks for thanks is due
um they are rehabbing the brick curves
at least on Stanbery and I'm sure
there's other places and of course
that's been you know I've been on the
soap box for a long time on that issue
so wanted to take the city mayor for
doing that I had some pictures that
should be attached as Word documents at
the very maybe at the very end just just
to show and it's just really interesting
this is Hands-On work they open up the
uh the motor and I don't know
electricity power off the motor so yeah
right
there
okay there you go okay so this so that's
the way they do it if you know there's
nothing Behind the Bricks it's not like
there is gravel or something Behind the
Bricks so they added um a lot of
concrete which is probably really great
thing and for the bricks that um needed
replacement I think they had some old
city bricks that they brought in so so
again thanks to the city okay we've been
waiting for Professor Markham but he's
not here right now so I will just make
the announcement that Larry Helman is
the Cornerstone winner um for this year
the Cornerstone is the like to say the
highest honor you can have as a
volunteer in the city of Bexley is both
for service and philanthropy the event
is April 30th of Jeffrey Mansion the
mayor is going to introduce him I hear
can't wait I knew it I knew so many good
stor might be a secret I don't know yeah
Larry has been I think on every
committee or commission within the city
of Bexley he has not run for mayor but
watch out
watch yeah maybe so so um there's no
charge to come so if you want to be
supportive she is presid
Foundation this year so we'd love to
have all of you we'd love to have
everybody everybody everybody so uh
let's go on to staff reports Spencer I
know you were in charge of fall tree
plantings M chair if I may is it okay if
I I pull Rank and jump right in front of
Spencer of course unfortunately there
was a a land use strategy meeting
scheduled by somebody who didn't
understand the conflict that existed
with several our members so I apologize
for that so what we're going to do is
when you're ready ready for Troy we're
going to bring him back and the same
with Matt wingler okay so we're gonna
and what about you and I'm right here
I'm about to give my update okay are you
going to that meeting I'm supposed to be
chairing that so it's good well I don't
know exactly what to say so I think the
best course is to say nothing there you
go I do but I do before you go I missed
um in adding something to the agenda
Charlie had something he had done and I
just I want you to hear it okay and then
we'll go right to you so Charlie so
really quickly um on my lunch break the
other day I used what is a tree copy. us
a new for Service Tool um to query can
cover kind ofns
and five years
lost so I'm not sure I was trying to
back out the impious surface change to
if that with surface change which would
be logical but my thought is that it's
just
so just something we want to keep our
eyes on I'm G try
to
aging write it
down geriatric trees but um you know so
I think this is just something that you
know it's a free you know service um so
it's pretty easy to qu I think pull that
number out about five minutes um so we
should be able to at least Baseline bres
our patter over time and watch those go
up so how often would you do this I mean
if you were sort of a type a person and
then sleep at night would you do it
every
day try to train a satellite to do it
for us okay um and so I was chatting
with some scientists about the
difficulty of that but um yeah I think
it could be sloof annually we could look
at canop be kind of trees that are
exposed to heat or pest pathogen issues
too so we could you know pick up trees
that die from old age trees that die um
you know from another issue or something
like could that platform just use Google
Earth or I mean it's contingent on the
imagery yeah so it's contingent on IM
imagery and it's contingent on skill
sets and whatnot but um the the fields
are moving very quickly right and so you
know we work with the um digital
forestry group at Purdue and they've got
backpack systems now yeah inventory
stands um to get tree growth um kind of
you know how much wood is in a you know
in a bowl or things like that and so um
technolog is there it's just whether or
not we won't use it so Charlie could you
come back at the April meeting and just
um have a a light framework a layout
plan for us totally you know I mean this
might cause a lot of excitement
or concerned concern keep track of the
trees that we cut down and why they were
cut
down um I'm not certain if we keep track
of the lists um you know for any period
of time but each year we review the um
the trees the city trees which are
struggling or hazards to the public and
that's you know generally the main
reason why we're cutting trees down um
so we can a list and then um during the
appropriate time of the year is when we
cut them down but I don't know if that
remains yeah well I don't know I did ask
grant for a list this fall of trees um
again you know as I talked about you
know the tree commission is your
embassador and um when people are
nervous about the trees being cut down
they ask and so we have this kind of
information so I do have all a list and
then all the places that you uh planted
trees this fall yeah I think we do keep
those records you can go back not to
contradict what you're saying yeah okay
okay good all right I don't know whether
to thank you or not Charlie but
appreciate the information coming
forward mayor Kesler thank you madam
chair um and just real to piggyback off
the tree
canopy.com way you could kind of like
Focus prioritization based upon their
sort of color coding like a quick glance
says that there are certain portions on
the kind of the Eastern portion of
Bexley that are have lower coverage in
terms of census tracks so I think that's
really important yeah really important
um in the folder I have an update the
the prolonged review period that you
just had enabled me to create for you a
custom update so you can read it at your
if you go up to the second I think file
there
um so this is your custom tree
commission update and if you could go to
the second page there's a little
calendar of events but in the second
page um Susan already covered the Bexley
times that are hitting your mailboxes
very soon um we are putting out
additional uh and by the way those that
tree photo was made possible thanks to
the very generous donation of Sheila
stra and it's a funny story about that
the the first cover the one I think
maybe that you even have in your hand
Susan okay had a Ino which is a
beautiful tree but had been
misidentified as a Catalpa and so my
article was all about catalpas to start
with and I fortunately write before we
went to print I was like I better double
check that tree on the front and I
looked I actually put on my glasses and
I looked closer I'm like I think that's
a genko but fortunately those photos
that you commissioned also had great Cal
so we able to quickly swap it out with
no loss in quality so that's a funny
backstory to that to know that you know
efforts are saved and they can be reused
yes so it's really really very helpful
um we are uh one of Larry helman's
Visions from early on in our um
discussion of like the last land use
strategy in in in in year of the parks
has been to Splash ater onc chairs down
Main Street I don't know if you've heard
him talk about this but it's one of the
things he's excited about so an homage
to Larry and it's actually been planned
for quite a while this is a secret okay
we will be having um I think if you go
Spencer to maybe the fifth page got some
photos on here for you keep going keep
going keep going uh we will we will be
putting some Brassfield finds little
pads along capitals lawn between the
London Plains for little seating
areas and Larry's going to be so happy
about that I don't others may not be
happy but we'll let Larry have his day
color yeah well he wanted red so we we
went for
blue so don't remind him in case he says
anything about it uh and while we're
here this is uh I want to thank Susan
she has probably I think the most
dedicated litter picker upper for our
trash talks um great trait and uh we we
got it's an adrenaline rush to hit the
Livingston onramp so that was pretty
sweet yes it is we made some good good
progress and uh not all pro we didn't
clean the whole thing but there was a
lot to start so and if uh clean it uh
you know you'd be surprised a couple
pickup truck loads would do it um
Commonwealth Park unification planning
is coming along we hope to have some
designs for you all to review in the
coming months we are still working with
Jones Brank and Jones on that uh but the
sidewalks are going in right now and the
brick
uh the brick curbs there at Commonwealth
for that
unification um Jeffrey Woods festival
and the associated expanded tree
programming uh went
swimmingly uh Susan
quinten's uh deserves a huge round of
applause in helping to see that kind of
expand beyond what it had been before um
what was really beautiful about it was I
was able to focus on making maple syrup
and watch all of the amazing other tree
events happen in the distance but
there's some good photos of that later
on in this report
um I are working on the launching the
working group for the tree commission
update and the tree preservation
ordinance updates Friday meetings Friday
we're gonna we're g to cinch it on
Friday I hope have it all figured
out uh we also have issued an RFP for
our commercial streetscape and design
guidelines update um that is out in the
planning Community right now we've got
some interested interest in it and some
some some questions and that's due to I
think close early April or mid
April this Saturday is the Cherry
Blossom
Festival celebration in Bexley at the
library um they asked us to put together
a map of different cherry trees in the
city so we put together a map of of of
cherries
uh most of the of the sort of ornamental
flower and cherries are actually quite
new to Beckley so those are primarily
actually in this parking lot the Cassidy
Gateway and uh Drexel uh but that this
has also then inspired a new section to
the arbor W site so right now the on the
trees of the Arboretum you can there's a
cherry section as well now along with
the so mayor this is kind of a a new
addition was this part of the Asian
festival so the a the it's the Greater
Columbus Cherry Blossom Festival that's
is this what you did at Franklin Park
yes with the yeah with the hope so this
is their third year it's um you know
attendance has been a little sparse on
it but we we we
are glad to participate as asked um
anyone who wants to there's a it's on
our community events calendar for
Saturday um so there's nothing organized
about it it's like a self-guided tour
it's a self-guided tour right and I
think they're doing some talk talk I'm
not I I admit a little ignorance about
the program itself at the library okay
um although it was on tentv the other
day I noticed so they're doing a good
job of okay getting uh uh attention
drawn to it and that's uh I think my
update I'm happy to answer your
questions oh I also have an annual
report if you guys haven't seen our
annual report pass around check yes um
some of us were able to attend the state
of the community which was held at uh
Tor EMT yes yes and uh it
was it's getting better and better every
year I have to say that uh slow progress
oh slow progress but we're good there
but uh you know everybody did a good job
it's very professional um well
done uh Dr Fine spoke the mayor spoke
and um the library director the library
director spoke right right so it was a
good night I think people learned some
things and uh yes was all good it was
all good yeah thought it was well
attended and it was fun to have it in
that space too yeah it's a good space I
wasn't sure if you're were able to
videotape in this that space we yeah we
were uh we have it I I guess I haven't
seen it yet so it should be going up
soon where the videographer took took
the video was going to edit it and give
it back to us so okay but you know I and
I think this report is is uh
certainly um interesting alluring
informative formatted beautifully well
done that's enough nice words for one
minut right that's all I can handle yeah
I knew it I knew it so questions for the
mayor may I me too much I was I was um
asking Matt because I think it's part of
landu strategy about the trees that you
mentioned in the black are going to come
down around the new installation of the
foot bridge and we haven't seen any
plans for the removal or for the
installation yep so if you could put
that on your list it is on it is on our
list the landscape plan is uh still
being developed for the for the bridge
the bridge is is analogous to a uh it is
a piece of infrastructure and those
trees were necessary for that
infrastructure to go in so it's it's
distinct and different from a like a
commercial or residential development
plan they I mean that area isn't a
residential sure what I mean is it's a
it's a City utility as opposed to a you
know a building being developed um we
also had to move forward prior to was
end of March when's the Indiana bat
season end bat season for the
cottonwoods uh the bat Indiana bat right
so so because of the funding source that
we had and I don't want to I don't I I'm
not an expert on the Indiana bat season
or when you do or don't remove trees or
how you do it uh but we need to uh to
proceed with that or else we were going
to miss a pretty important window so are
you saying they're already
gone the trees are gone trees on the
beex I don't know if they're are they
gone on the Bexley side yeah okay the
Columbus side I think are coming
down
through I think we're waiting on that
permit
okay okay again you know we always say
information is a
commodity but nice to know I I
appreciate that we didn't have a whole
lot of uh I don't think that there was a
whole lot of advanced notice that we had
to move the way that we
moved yeah and I again I um there will
there the
plan uh with both colum we are dealing
with the Columbus permitting and the
Bexley permitting and I'm you would love
the Columbus permit it is something
else as it pertains to those trees and
everything their whole process uh so you
know I I understand what you're saying I
I if I hadn't had that information to
share with you then we would have shared
it with you okay I just have a quick
question is our project right across the
alley here is that progressing in a
timely fashion as for what your
projection is I believe so I think
they're on I think they're on track
that's Matt will be back here in a
second that's a good question for him to
confirm okay anything else for the mayor
Charlie Mary Jim I wanna in fact I'll
join him as soon as done okay I do wan
to if I may just reemphasize that the
trees that were removed for the bridge
there was no discretion in terms of
whether they or not they could be we
could not remove them in order to have
the bridge may I understand that but you
know when people come and say you know
up in arms you've met people who are up
in arms in the city and they ask and we
don't have the information we want to be
the best ambassadors we can for the city
sure and for the op read so uh if we
have a little more information we can
make sure everybody has a positive
takeaway and I think not start talking
about the Indiana bats we'll be sure to
get their attention yeah yeah Everyone
likes to hear about the IND bats they
live in those trees Indiana bats I don't
know anything about Indiana bats well
think it's interesting because they cut
down cottonwoods down in Grove City um
along there's a creek along Home Road
and they cut down the cottonwoods and it
turned out that there were bats in those
trees and they wound up moving to a
historic barn on Gant property and they
didn't know it and there were like I
don't know thousands of bats living in
this barn and then all of a sudden their
their the
belfrey yeah well whatever their waist
started seeping down into the play
school play uh preschool so they had to
tear down the whole structure yeah so
that I'm just that's interesting that
you brought up the bats because that's
exactly what happened down in grow City
no isn't that the happiest story well
that's why on that note I'll say good
night and there go you I think you were
gonna explain something about the bats I
don't know
yeah we've seen yeah yes yeah so all so
a quick run of what the Indiana bat
you're going to hear about this if you
haven't already before tonight it's a
migratory species of bat um that
migrates North in the spring we have a
cut off uh we being the industry if
you're cutting down trees on in a
municipal situation government contracts
things like that uh of uh March end of
March uh right now um uh and any large
scale
tree removal projects have to get
wrapped up before uh before March March
31st um
because uh they don't want trees being
removed after that when the bat has uh
moved back in for the summer so those
trees are removed while the bats have
migrated South so that we're not
disrupting what is I believe an
endangered
species so that's that's the Indiana
back and the alternative is if you need
to
remove this process after March 31st you
can pay to have somebody they have to
stay awake but it was a 48 hour window
there's a period of time where you can
observe the tree and make sure that you
don't have any visual on a bat for like
a two or three day period prior to
removing the tree but they have to stay
awake and this I believe it's 12 12 in
uh at DB I believe is the the size if
that sounds familiar it's somewhere 10
12 I am newly learning of the Indiana
bat
regulations on we should move on okay
well it's a pertinent topic though I
current
topic well I hope they don't migrate to
College Avenue just
saying they're not there yet okay mayor
thank you
okay send next I'm Spencer's going to do
his report on fall tree PL plantings
since he was in charge of
that yeah so we prioritized plantings on
Broad Street in Park View trying to our
mission was to fill gaps of uh
opportunity which uh I believe went well
I wasn't here for the installation for a
lot of that but um no it went well and
yeah we planted uh many trees I don't
have the numbers with me of course I'm
filling in for Grant today but um yeah
was another successful uh fall planting
season and we're we were really excited
this year to put trees in the ground uh
especially after following uh the harsh
drought of the summer so those should uh
be productive plantings no doubt so um
were you pleased with the way the trees
are planted yeah I think they looked
good yeah but I meant to far as like
taking the burlap off from the cage and
the size of the holes and the mulching
and all that yeah well I was here to
review the burlap and the cage um
obviously they're in the grounds that's
hard to see now but I think the depth
looks good which is important as well
okay yeah okay any questions any
questions just out of curiosity um you
know as we think through the tree care
and planting plan um where
we or we suggest that we should replace
20% of the gaps a year how do you feel
like you guys did this year in regards
to that goal like is that an achievable
goal or is should we reevaluate that
goal based 20% of the total opportunity
um I don't know I don't have the data um
I don't know but I would assume that 20%
would be a lot of trees because there's
a lot of potential which is a good thing
to have the potential but I would doubt
um I don't want to say for sure but it's
unlikely that we uh successfully planted
20% of the open
areas maybe we should think about that I
might be a little overzealous or at
least understand what that means yeah
yeah or up to right yeah is there any
reason why we can't recruit volunteers
to help with
that with the planting or yeah with
planting of trees in the spaces that
we've identified where we want more
trees well I think it's more uh just the
cost of trees and then the ability to
successfully uh transplant them by way
of
supplemental watering and followup care
so it's it goes a little Beyond just the
actual planting of the tree um but is it
one of the
barriers well we've talked about having
volunteers water the trees and that's
always been a discussion that um you
know the city hasn't been all that
interested in doing so I'd have to ask
uh Matt and Grant you as well if
volunteers could be
helpful so I you have a a question maybe
this is not the right time to bring this
up tell tell me if that's the case but
um uh I saw this in the email you just
mentioned it um uh Su again about the
removal of burlap and wire cages from
the trees um are we talking
about partial are we talking about
complete complete
nudity where are we getting that from
Isa Isa Isa yeah uh aler Reynolds is the
Forester for our district okay and uh
he's been he lives in Berwick so he's
very committed and stops in a few times
and I think it's just in the last few
weeks that they've updated their
guidelines
to not sure we're going to have time to
discuss the planning and maintenance
plan today since we have four minutes um
but we can look into that more deeply
and on the plan would be welcome I would
love to be involved in a discussion
around because I actually I I have some
concerns there that those guidelines do
not match up with current Nursery stock
production methods in the state of Ohio
and we but aren't they aren't they
approved by the nursery I mean isn't
that Isa part of what we're originally
in the plan on were the Ohio nursery
Association standards
right what I I guess what
I'm again maybe this isn't the time if
what I want to what I want get at really
is that the reality of what happens to a
lot of plant tree stock plant material
when put
in if if we're looking if we're starting
to suggest that complete removal of
burlap and wire cages around B&B plant
material uh be done
um nurseries grow those trees and put
those balls in the cages with an
assumption that that CAG is getting left
on um and if that ball is to fall
apart in the process of planting a
tree you're probably doing more harm
than good in the long run uh in terms of
damage to the root system um I'm really
actually surprised that that came down
from the ISA um and I I'm G to I'll have
to look into that and get but we can
send you what we what we found and we
can pull aliser into the
conversation um it's been a subject of
extensive discussion right so um uh so
if we just just Segway a little bit did
you have a chance to read the planting
maintenance
guidelines that uh that Jim has written
and that we've discussed because we're
interested in passing them and moving
forward it's been on kind of on the
docket and we get um a little bit off
focus when we have these plans that
we're
reviewing you we're talking about
separate from these from what we
reviewed or bexley's planting guidelines
so the we're what we're talking about is
what I circulated by email I think
yesterday I think you were the email the
planning and maintenance plan for the
city um I can make sure you're on the
email but we should let Matt yeah let
Matt Matt speak okay Matt we made up
some topics for you I bet that was
really exciting aren't you glad yes yes
I knew it I knew it so our favorite
Topic at this time of year if you could
go scroll down Spencer I attached those
same images I had sent you
m i attached or or Jordan attached
them attached them um you know the same
place you found the brick
yeah
yeah this is on the northeast corner of
Bexley Park and Drexel
now the good news was that the people
that did that left out their signed so
we know who they are okay Mac take it
away yeah so um it's on it it's on my
list we're GNA do a CommunityWide
education plan and I need to set up a
meeting with Grant and Megan uh sometime
in the next week to week and a half uh
when when we have time in all of our
schedules to start that process and
hopefully I mean I think a good timeline
would be
uh we probably get that done in a month
three weeks couple meetings come up with
some um educational material and then
start to have uh my code enforcement
officer Dave hlia uh gather uh
information Intel on various you know
I've never heard of this company or seen
their truck in Bexley I you know um but
re Reach Out gather inel and start
reaching out to uh the landscapers that
we see around around town so so could
you like flag each volcano M tree and
and say that if you don't Rectify This
Will Bill you to rectify it with an
airspade I mean because they're City
assets you can't let private land owners
ruin City assets right yeah I I mean we
certainly will come up with an action
plan whether um my department can do
that or I would probably have to talk to
Andy and have the service the service
folks do that um we're a department of
four so I don't know if I could I mean
certainly if you all are my eyes and
ears out there and you send me locations
and I can have Dave go out and do it
but initiative bike around central Ohio
or Central Bexley in five minutes got 60
houses
yeah yeah if that was helpful like we
can do those things I just don't want to
make a list for nothing no yeah it's
it's a at this point it's a for for at
least my department it's a Manpower
thing so I'll certainly bring that up
our next cabinet meeting and talk to
Andy that would other people be willing
to do that sure I mean I think I think I
know this home you do and they're very
prideful people so I'm sure they aren't
even aware well they may be in Florida
for three months you know right Matt I
do have these Grant did pick this up and
this is something the city did you know
these could go in the water bill I don't
know if you've seen them or
not just they're just things right this
is great this will be this would be a
good start for when I sit down with
Megan and Grant so you know again Matt
we want to be your Ambassador so if we
can be out helping you you know we I
don't think we should be deputized and
go knock on doors I think that's a
little bit too officious but no but
certainly um we'll come up with you know
if that's the route we want to go um
with with volunteers sending in you know
pictures and and email addresses and
we'll address from a city standpoint um
I'll talk about that in our next cabinet
meeting and I'll let you know good
okay uh if if we can I mean Dave our
code enforcement officer is actually
really good at investigatory work so if
we can figure out who the landscaper is
and or was the homeowner we would do
both we would send a letter to the
homeowner it would most likely be like a
courtesy warning letter not a notice of
violation um that was one thing when I
started on here we like our courtesy War
I prefer a courtesy warning letter first
right nobody likes a big bold notice of
violation when they don't even know they
did anything wrong A lot of times so
start with that and reach out to any
landscapers we can find I know last year
there was a u a commun a communication
effort to uh relay the updated ordinance
to some of the main um
landscapers landscaping companies that
we know operate inly often like you said
of course there's smaller companies that
are less familiar but they uh many of
the big um names were notified of the
change last year sign this this is kind
of the mulch season so this is when we
made a push last year yeah but it's
going to be a continuous effort probably
forever for sure well I think too it's
like people like fresh mulch I get that
throw fresh Mulch on top of old mulch
and over time you get a volcano mulch
right steart did a beautiful job at the
Ohio State president with the m year
it's not Vol or
anything yeah we've certainly discussed
with like Spencer said our our um usual
customers around town oh yeah he is
there's widespread messaging too it's
not just beex you know it's becoming a
hot topic of debate with um you know in
this industry so people are learning
more about it yeah I think so madis
there anything else you'd like to talk
about on this
list um um we've got uh mother-in-law
suites review of ongoing construction
conditions record of decision versus
approved minutes yeah I mean you think
we talked about the mother-in-law suites
before the meeting and or pre meeting we
that'll be a case by case basis I'll
certainly if we get any more you know
I'll always offer that to be app if they
feel like an application should um come
before uh this
commission uh monitoring on Dave her Lia
um really have charged in with getting
out there more and it's it's one of the
things at the top of our list um to
monitor tree protection they're doing a
great job at 2281 Bren uh Drexel and
Ryden with their tree protection um but
yeah we're Dave is aware of it and um
and I am as well you know I live here
and I drive around town so I see um it's
not as much fun to drive around town now
when you're in charge of Code
Enforcement is it not it's and record of
decision versus cruitment I didn't know
the question on that as we as as we were
talking this board does a little
different um than my other boards
usually uh uh like Karen Boer and myself
will keep track kind of throughout the
conversation of what we think might be
conditions and then we'll read them back
to the board and then you all would say
um Yes No Maybe So and then' say okay um
uh is there a motion to approve uh in a
second and then I would read the
findings and facts to the applicant and
then the board chair would say do you
agree with what you have heard um that
I've read and then they would say yes
and then and then I would call a Voice
vote um you all do it different it's
fine um but I I was doing my best
because I I type up the record of
decision and I post it to our website
and I distribute it to the applicant um
so I just want to make
sure um if I'm doing that typing it it
may be good for me to collect all that
data and read it back to you just so
we're because you guys are talking fast
and I'm trying to right trying to get it
all down so um I just want to explain to
people that it used to be um our
understanding doesn't mean that was
right our understanding that a project
wasn't approved until we approved the
minutes the following month but with
right it used to be that way used to
that way used to be that way right and
so with Matt's uh kind of more uh speedy
delivery here it looks like we could be
looking at new new ways of doing
business and so I just wanted to make
sure everybody knew that so yes okay now
I see where you're going with that so it
used to be until approved minutes well
we didn't always have like I don't have
my minutes done from the February Bap
meeting for them to approve tomorrow
night which isn't a bad thing it used to
be a bad thing because records of
decisions wouldn't go into full effect
until the minutes were approved well if
you have Council or if you have board
members that didn't read minutes and
they can't take a vote or had to abstain
and so we changed the law it is uh it
takes full effect um
from when they um receive the record of
decision and is posted to our website
which will be tomorrow morning in this
case right in the cas so you know so you
know yeah we can just work out the
process in terms of whether we want you
to read it I I have a question about
that but we don't have to take it up
here that's fine yeah I'm just that's
what I'm used to but I'm okay if you
guys do it the other way I just um no I
just think we'll all get on the same
page so that people know that when they
read the minutes next time that it's
already been sort of put into motion I
just think no again helpful okay
anything else from
Matt okay when do the projects that we
talked about for the Landscaping start
on Livingston and North caty is their
projected
date um I mean I would think they they
would say as soon as POS as soon as
possible um you
have approved their landscape plan so
they can begin demolition that that's
kind of the final
um well they need to submit for permit
first I I need I need approved or I need
at least a submission
um with permit drawings and then I can
approve their demolition plan which I
think that's probably the route they'll
go um now as far as there's some things
uh up at 420 North Cassidy they need to
Abate the site because it was an old gas
station I think so there's some there's
a tank underground still so they're
waiting to see if they get some brown
field fundings for that um 2300 could
probably start right away but they have
to get through permitting and that
generally takes 30 days 30 to 35 days to
get through construction quarter we're
going to start see okay yeah and then
we're still kind of working out for 20
North Cassy with the senior center and
parks and wck and all of that so so on
your on your way out and on Jim's way
out um we will review and approve the
tree planting and maintenance guidelines
next time so Spencer again I we' value
your put Grant's input definitely your
input to Walter Charlie I mean you guys
are the tree guys you know all right so
the other thing is it occurred to me
after at our last three commission
meeting EAP a and tree commission they
were talking about the way they review
landscape plans and that they have
certain points they like them to meet
and especially for ARB in a demolition
and so I thought I I feel that that
would really be helpful for us to decide
we're going to talk about you know
invasive or caliper for caliper or shade
trees versus ornamental trees and so
that when we approach landscape
applications we are all looking at the
same thing I mean we can call out
different individual species but that
doesn't really determine the overall
look and what you say benefits of the
space as much as when we we focus on
perhaps some you know some larger more
Global viewpoints so I I want people to
think about what they'd like in that
landscape application or how they'd like
to set up the framework for evaluating
the landscape
applications and that's it we returned
we are so I must ask if uh when you guys
go back to your oh wait yeah stop yeah
when you go back to the meeting if we
could look at the schedule and not have
conflicting meetings are we conflicting
we moved our meeting and that was the
problem okay that was a problem I did
not know that thanks to all for your
attention Walter welcome
aboard yes anytime you want a tour