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good good evening we will call to order
the uh November 14th
2014 uh Bexley architectural riew board
meeting and we will start with calling
the
role Miss
Jones present Mr H here miss panasa here
Mr Hall here chairwoman Tony here
okay I don't have my cheat sheet in
front of me that usually has all this um
on it so um our next thing would be
to um public comment thank you is there
anyone in the audience that had that
would like to speak to the board about
something that is not on the agenda
tonight if so just raise your
hand okay seeing no one um I did not see
anything about meeting minutes from last
month did
okay did did other people get a chance
to review those or do we want to push
it are we okay to
push I know get a chance to RW
um yeah I'll make some comments about it
in a minute okay and we do not have a
meeting in December so we will be
pushing to the January
meeting okay um next item then is to
uh we have consent agenda items so these
are applications that we have all
reviewed and have um given our okay on
some of them got slight tweaks to them
but I'm going to read them off as a
list it's application arb2 2443 the
address is uh 1043 Chelsea the applicant
is Brenda
Parker uh application arb2 24-44 the
address is 244 arore and the applicant
is Kobe cribs application number ARB
2447 the address is 44 Meadow Park and
the applicant is Peter
KAC application number ARB 24-48 address
is 290 ashborne and the applicant is
Brian
zingman application number B Bap 24-40
the address is 2075 fair and the
applicant is Gary
Alexander application number arb2 2449
the address is 236 one Clifton and the
applicant is Dan Morgan or and behall
Samson Deets so these are all
applications that we as a board have
reviewed and given our approval to is
there anyone in the audience that wants
to speak about these applications um if
there is no one then we will go ahead
and approve them but if you would like
to speak to us about them please raise
your hand or come
forward okay seeing no one um is there a
board member that will make a motion to
approve those applications so moved
higher and a second second
Hall and we'll call the
role Miss penosa yes Miss Jones yes Mr H
higher yes Mr Hall yes chairwoman Tony
yes we also have another application
that has been tabled to the January 9th
meeting and that is application number B
24-37 with the address is 2775 Powell so
if by some freakish chance you are here
for that application that one will not
be heard
tonight okay so we will get to um new
business then which is a slight change
in order from how we
normally um proceed in the past we have
done old business but um we are changing
our format so we are starting with new
business now
what yes but yes he was just asking me
if I told those people that they were on
consent but yes yes I did and but I also
let them know that there is a just in
case
0.1% chance that neighbor might come
so okay starting I wouldn't starting
with new business then we have
application number ma 24-1 188 the
address is 258 North Park View the
applicant is M and Roofing and the owner
is Michael birkhold or I'm sorry Matthew
birkhold if you're here please come
forward and we will swear you
in and Karen will give us a little bit
of background yes I will um do you want
to go ahead and swear them in can you
state your name and address my name is
Matthew birkhold and I live at 258 North
Parkview Avenue do you swear or affirm
the testimony you give this evening will
be the truth I do thank
you um first of all it's nice to finally
meet you you've been very patient he
didn't realize neighor support too oh
very nice um Matthew didn't realize last
month that he need to actually be here
so but he was very patient which not
everyone is in waiting for this month um
this is a kind of a difficult case for
me because as all of you know I have I'm
designated by the board with the power
to approve roof Replacements with the
exception of slate which I am happy to
have those come to the board um and and
also wood shakes which are a mixed
blessing because sometimes the wood
shakes do really well when they're not
in a very heavy treed lot with lots of
moisture and sometimes they just don't
so this is a case where um Matthew would
like to um replace his shingles with an
asphalt it's it's a pretty high-end
dimensional it's a very high-end
dimensional um asphalt shingle that
represent that replicates the Slate kind
of profile um
I have lotss of information Matthew has
gotten for us both
a wood Shake um estimate which is only
on for one side of the roof so we kind
of have to extrapolate like a whole
replacement would probably be close to
90 $100,000 because just the front was
30 so I just kind of did quick math um
for that but thank you for that you um
we also have the estimate and the shake
sample of the asphalt shingle to see
what it looks like so you guys can see
the color the profile Etc um this might
be him is this your contractor great you
can come on up so now you have it in in
person too um and after I finish we'll
swear him in as well um also as as a new
rule we did it just occasionally but now
as a habit we are getting um an
independent look at the roof by an an
company that's not your own contractor
um or your estimator for a wood shingle
and that was Precision Slayton tile who
has been um a consultant for us before
and I have a letter that I included in
here I also had a phone conversation
with him he took lots of pictures and
did say that the front is pretty much
gone um you can kind of see that from
the street and that the rear and sides
are in okay shape um so didn't really
support keeping it explained to me a lot
lot of um the nuances in the um unfort I
don't know Misfortune of having lots of
trees and beautiful landscaping but
there's a lot of moisture and a lot of
shade so he really didn't say whether he
would um support taking it all down or
keeping it all but he said if you were
wanted to keep keep it he would you know
you could do one side of the roof at a
time but you're probably going to have
these same problems in 30 years but it's
really up to the board you know it's
there just add one bit of information if
I may sure so we had it cleaned because
our attempt was to restore the roof ask
for a partial cleaning was 5,000 they
estimated between $5 and $110,000
annually on cleaning just because of the
number of trees around our
house so I think I've covered everything
I think it'd be good to swear in your
contractor sorry step up to the
microphone state your
name James Lee do you swear or affirm
the testimony you give this evening will
be the truth
I do all
right so I just was kind of going
through the slides and um this is the
sample of the the choice the antique
slate in this um this asphalt shingle
would be the replacement the Slate line
shingles which is pretty high and
shingle
um this is the estimate from Newman
Roofing who I had never worked with
before for slate shingles and there was
some concern from board members too so I
did do some research and yes they have
done um sh Replacements before so I did
do the research into that so I'm pretty
confident that that's a good estimate
and it's only like I said for one side
for the front side of it
um I think we should just open it up for
questions you know it's here I have a
lot of pictures of the shape of the roof
both from you that either either and or
both of you have submitted and also from
Precision slate Trevor Fischer who's the
owner of precision slate that went
independently out I think these might be
his
here I'm happy to answer any
questions um about oh
shoot they
restart 100% battery was
F oh um Suzanne here's that here's the
email that I received from him it was
it's in the third version of the
material packet okay
I got a
cour all right is there um is there a
board member that wants to go first on
this is there anything that you guys
wanted to add that I
forgot oh we will get to we'll
definitely get to
that um I mean I I'm
not an expert but I mean Roofing is my
business so I mean I can give a quote
for you know putting one tire on a brand
new Lexus too but I mean if it's a if
it's got a bold tire than it needs taken
care of I think there's been plenty
we've seen in the past there's been
plenty of the more designer style
slate uh imitation roofs that have been
done recently they've come a long way in
the last couple of decades I think all
of us here can appreciate the amount
time that has gone into this already uh
get with the wood option it could be the
exact same thing in the couple of years
I mean you're looking at like you just
said
$10,000 do in a se you know each year
that you're looking at upkeeping it is
it you know something that a gentleman
can do with that $110,000 or is it
something that he can maybe give back to
his community and spend time with his
children and what not with that
10,000 I think might
be better I mean the time might be
better served than everybody
here they trying I mean we've come a
long way with I understand historical
and want to keep things historical but I
also
like we're not riding in a horse and
buggy that's kind of what we're asking
to go back a 100 years to keep okay I'm
gonna cut you off and we're gonna go to
board questions okay Mr Hall can we
start with your questions
first yeah so just some clarification
are you only proposing to replace the
one side the one area the roof or where
this new roof quote came from I'm with
mu company Roofing so youling one side
is are you replacing the entire roof
everywhere where you have wood shingles
or wood shakes you're replacing the
entire roof right okay so for a
background we moved to beex two years
ago um we've done our tuck point and
we're just trying to get on on top of an
old house right and replacing the roof
BS AR
next um this email here talks about the
cost and it says this is just for the
front slope and the cedar Shake is 27 to
33 then the da Vinci is 33 to 38 is that
da Vinci number or just the front slope
too that's correct so the D Vinci is a
polymer
shake so
that's more than the cedar Shake that's
correct
okay so it's a composite that's supposed
to require less
clean
okay to follow up his questions um the
composite is what's being proposed or is
that a alternate what is being proposed
is something different we're proposing
the highend asals rather than composite
okay uh I mean I I agree I think that if
you replace a roof the whole thing
should be done um otherwise it'll be
back here in about a year um so um with
that in mind I I think that's the right
way to go um I don't really have any
other
questions Mr
H I just I don't know what the
uh I don't know where this Newman
partial slope has done we are in
contract for a full Reef replacement
have already taken $188,000 down you
understand that you're your customer
submitted this as part of his
application so it's been submitted to us
this is what we have reviewed so I'm
just trying to get clarification no we
just when when we have an application
for a roof replacement when it's not
same material and it's a historical
material we asked the applicant to get
an estimate for what it would cost so
that we have a means of comparing how
much it would cost to replace that's I
forgive me for not being aware that's
okay the
process do was there a is there a
structural assessment of what um loads
this roof or the the the roof could take
in other words if in the future this
homeowner or a future homeowner wanted
to put on a more even a more durable
material like a
slate would the would the Roof System be
able to support that load the the Slate
is not something that our company has
any experience with so that would be
something that we'd have to with did you
have a did you have an engineer look at
your roof system in all of our shopping
no one said anything about
limitations okay
um because you have an absolutely
beautiful house it and with n all these
natural materials that are on it the
stone you know the the traditional wood
um uh The Columns and I mean just
everything about it is just lovely and
to put you know a synthetic asphalt on
on the top I would hope that down the
road you know somebody would replace it
with another natural material that would
fit the other natural materials of the
rest of the house but in the meantime
yes that roof that you have there now is
not sustainable and needs to be um what
color are you looking at for the
the actual
asphalt here it's it's up there is it is
it the weathered slate the antique slate
antique slate why did you go to gray uh
to it's this is mimicking slate not
shingle why why did we do that yeah
because historically I think the house
would have had slate not shingle
okay and I think that's what I was
getting at with you know could could we
have a real slate on this in the future
when a
homeowner you or somebody else would be
able to afford doing
that why would they have replaced I'm
just curious why would they have
replaced slate with
shake or maybe it was designed for slate
and then they never put that on and they
put shake on instead yeah do you have
original drawings of the house yeah we
moved in two years ago so we're still
uncovering the
history it's probably deep in the bowels
of the uh lower somewhere but yeah um I
mean I was going to say if if you were
trying to mimic the wood shake that you
would do use the weathered slate instead
of the antique slate
I is that the antique slate right there
this is actually a royal slate I did not
have I I just wanted to be able to show
the board the size like this would be a
standard slate that's actually the Slate
color in the standard 25
right and that's a greenish color and
that one has a little bit of brown in it
this one has this little bit of red in
it yeah standard the SE won't have that
right which worries me because we don't
have a real sample in front of us and
the antique slate could be did did you
see a sample of it yeah it's also on a
house on Columbia and is it a bright is
it a really bright gray no it's the
closest mimic to the slate in the
neighborhood we haven't a
lot
um on my computer it looks pretty good
that's hard to
see MH probably forward win oh no it's
it's I you know it's always wanting to
see the the real thing as opposed to a
photo um James can attest how slow we
were in our decision-making process we
spent about a month driving around the
neighborhood cataloging what our
neighbors have okay yeah so we feel
really good about the choice I
understand your concerns about the
matching the weathered but I think
shifting to a slate look rather than a
cedar look is what we're going
for that's all I
have um I appreciate how intentional you
guys have been and um it's always great
to see an applicant that's coming that
clearly you know respects the history of
the house so I don't have any other
questions um that other board members
haven't asked and I think um clearly the
roof needs replaced
so um I will just say that there is a
reason why we ask people who are trying
who are tearing off slate or wood to
come before us it is because we are
trying to maintain and keep these old
materials and I understand that wood is
a bit of a problem I uh I owned a house
I put wood on it when I moved into it
and um and then replaced it after 30
years and I am sad to see this wood Ro
go um I'm sure that when you bought the
house two years ago you knew that there
was some problems going on with the roof
at that time right because this doesn't
happen in two
years um so I'm sad that that you're
tearing off wood and putting on a fake
material because it is what we are
trying to restore in this community um I
get that it's a lot of money but um I'm
sad to see it go
so but I understand
okay is there a u um I invite my
neighbor to speak oh yeah is there
someone in the audience that wants to
speak about this application come
forward and be sworn in
please me can you take your name and
address Robert Schwarz 268 North
Parkview Avenue do you swear affirm the
testimony give this evening will be the
trth thank you um we've lived at 268
which 2 68 is immediately adjacent and
my sit on my front porch a lot and I
look at his house so I'm the person most
aesthetically impacted by this idea uh
and I'm must say I'm all in favor of it
I've always thought that the wood looked
in congruous on a stone
house um I think this will actually look
better my house I think is the oldest
house on the Block it's from
1911 uh and it
has um shingles asphalt shingles so um
at least it match mine not precisely but
the thing is yours is like an m shape
isn't it so that front thing is only a
quarter of the
roof because it's like there's like a
Valley and the goes It goes like an m
and thinking so that estimate for the
front thing would be would be just a
quarter and the other thing is that the
house is old most of the house is old uh
but over the years it's they've had a
lot of additions that Port cuchet was
built
um I think it was the Iverson who did
that it wasn't the Smiths uh we we've
lived in that in our house for 38 years
we moved in
1986 um and um
I know that that Port cé new the you
showed the rear where there's the uh
what do you call that that room we call
it a playroom but no it's it's there's a
more technical name for it or rerie
perhaps uh uh and that's new so it it
hasn't been
unchanging you you've gota you got to
keep making changes because things rot
and fall apart I mean our
house uh some of the s when we moved in
was aluminum siding of the really nasty
variety and we repl we actually replaced
that with uh shakes but
um it's you know it's just you can't you
can't you can't stay still it's got to
keep going uh you got to keep it upright
and like I said I think it's actually
going to look better um and not only
that I'm I'm going to tell you uh you
are fourth or fifth people who've lived
in that house since we've been there and
you are favorites and they
have they're wonderful people and
they've got two really adorable small
children and um I'd hate to see them
driven
away is there anyone else in the
audience that would like to speak about
this
application okay seeing no one
um findings of
fact read them are you read them
findings and I'm sorry the findings and
facts and conclusion of law in the
application ma 24-18 for the property
located at 258 North Park View um a
certificate of appropriateness sh the
architecture review board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
granted for the replacement of the cedar
Shake roof with a new asphalt
roof do we want to State the type so
that we know we are getting a high
quality slate line
sure well it it's cont Matt needs to put
it into
the with a new with a new slate line uh
GF slate line GF slate line antique
slate
shingle
yes okay is there a board member that
will make a motion
I'll make a motion to approve
Hall second
Jones Miss penosa yes Mr hire yes Miss
Jones yes Mr Hall yes chairwoman Tony
yes you are approved thank you for your
time tonight thanks very much thanks for
your patience thanks very much thank you
I apologize my t
not thank you very much thank you okay
our next application is Bap number
24-35 the address is 470 South Park viw
the applicant is Santiago Alvarez and
the owner is Jana
Clark the applicant is Seeking a
recommendation of the board of zoning
and planning for the approval of a
certificate of appropriateness for a
garage and in-law Suite addition and
eliminate current curb cut and move to
the other side of the
property the applicant is here please
come forward be sworn in and while
you're doing that Karen will give us
background yeah
um could you um State your names and
addresses please Jana Clark 470 South
Park
View just clar 470 South Park View
great Santiago Alvarez 786 College
Avenue do you swear affirm the testimony
you give this evening will be the
truth thank you so Jane and I have had a
long conversation about this um in the
last few days and um unless the board
has unless I'm completely off with my
anticipation of the board's comments um
I suggested that we probably come and
have kind of a preliminary review for
this um because there are a lot of
things that I think are not um are not
consistent with the neighborhood
consistent with the house you know we we
talked a lot about it so I can get into
a little bit of the detail that we
talked about but I'd rather spend what
time we have here hearing some board
feedback I mean just generally speaking
I am unconcerned about the Aesthetics of
the addition um next to the existing
house which I have pictures up here they
seem to be very different scale
different level of detail delicacy you
know it just um we talked a little bit
about it and they kind of appear as
though it's it's two different complete
different building types just connected
together so I was encouraging Jana
instead and she agreed instead and I'm
sorry I don't mean to leave out
everybody else but J and I are the ones
that talked that spoke on the phone um
that we agreed that it would be a good
idea with a a a reasonable limit of time
tonight for you her to hear some
feedback from the board and kind of go
back with her designer and um kind of
scale it remass it um I think it's
possible to do what you need and you can
talk a little bit about that but um we
need to look at some uh more delicate
Connections in in
architecture is it are we able to talk a
little bit about the back story of it is
that helpful for I think it would be
good for you to start and do that and
then we can have some informal
discussion okay
um
suppose more directly related to me
uh the backstory behind this is this is
not an in-law suite this is more of a uh
addition for us but it is based on her
in-laws my parents uh my mom was
recently diagnosed with Alzheimer's and
my father and mother live in Fremont
Ohio which is about two and a half hours
from here I have four younger sisters
and unfortunately we're all spread
across Ohio none of which are in Fremont
so we sort of have tried to figure out
how we're going to be able to navigate
this um and my mom although is in she's
good now is slipping pretty quickly and
we're most concerned mostly because her
condition is sort of a chronic thing um
we're very concerned with my father
who's also
72
um everything we've heard from doctors
and everyone else is it's a uh the
caretaker can take just as big of a hit
as the person that's actually sick um
so um this is one of the things that
they agreed that they would be able to
stomach as far as selling off their old
house um not having our family home um
being able to come here two of my
sisters also live here in Columbus one
of which is a nurse that can help out a
lot lives in Gana and the other one uh
can help out as well
um you want to say something
go uh you know more than anything like
this is not optimal for anyone involved
um there's a lot of thought put into
this mostly
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considering the condition that she's in
the condition that she will be in
factors like uh probably having to have
inhome nursing care eventually that kind
of stuff um as far as it design and
aesthetic I mean I think we're all
pretty willing to to listen to what you
have to say and and within reason you
know make adjustments mostly monetary
reason you know I would love to tell you
we could bu that whole thing in Brick
and make it look exactly like our house
with a slate roof but the reality is
it's not in the cards as far as
financially um I I personally think s
did a wonderful job making you look nice
um and um I guess I see more cohesion
than than maybe what you think at this
point but I understand I'm willing to
listen and what we can do and two things
in my conversation with Karen sorry
speak to the mic if you could in my
conversation with Karen we talked a
little bit about
that aesthetically that we weren't set
on really any sort of material um I
don't to the what Justin was sharing
about monetarily we are open but we
don't want it to be an exorbitant cost
um so that's one thing I know that we
talked a little bit about bringing in
some character from the house into the
um addition and I think that there are a
lot of nods to the current house that I
don't know it is helpful for us to
Spotlight or not but um I don't know if
this is a question for you Matt but we
submitted the application as an in-law
suite but I don't know if it makes more
sense to just put it in as an addition I
don't know if that is a part of this
conversation either um so that's just
another part of that we'd love some
feedback on if it needs to be if we need
to shift the way that we're doing the
application as well um so yeah so Matt
can make a few comments if you you know
if you want about zoning um it's it's a
different it's it's nuanced when it's
connected to the house and you and I
talked about this a little bit you know
if it was clearly a separate dwelling it
would be an issue right but we still
want to be careful about um you know a
not being a single family home anymore
right right for
sure oh yeah um it is really it's it's
it's almost semantics uh an in-law suite
versus addition is that it's um an
independent dwelling that's attached to
the house so it's essentially an
addition but you have an independent
dwelling so you basically have a kitchen
a bathroom and a in a bedroom so that's
the only difference and this is over 800
square feet and that's the only reason
that I saw initially that and full
disclosure I haven't done my full zoning
review on it but that was the thing that
stood out right away I was like oh this
is going to need a variance um I I
didn't know did you guys have lot
coverages I'm assume you meet the lot
cover yeah okay then that's the only
thing I could see I think you're within
the setbacks that my Brief Review so it
was just the over 800 foot that was the
variance
needed so there's so why is this before
Bap because an in an in-law suite can be
a maximum of 800 square feet and this is
I think
1,400 it's over the allowable Square fo
be an area variance that it's really not
an in-law suite because it's attached no
I I it's it's an in-law suite in our
code is an independent dwelling so this
is an addition to a house but it's an
independent dwelling and there in lies
the difference between just a standard
addition you would put on the back of
your house and making an independent
dwelling you so does that really make it
like a
duplex um I don't know the legal
definition of a a duplex but um no
because the code also says that the um
residents or the people living in the
independent dwelling unit has to be a
part of the family unit so they have to
be related to the primary owner of the
residence and that's the definition
that's the in-law suite uh portion of
the code
okay I believe yeah and and all these
questions will be you know worked out in
in Bap but we can't what I would be
interested in is to hearing some design
critique because whatever beap decides
how they're going to accept this um
it's a mute point unless we kind of give
some design
critique yeah I just wanted to
understand yeah I don't think we know
yet what was what was going on with it
so
okay okay is there anything else then
that you wna um add to the or do you
want me just go to board members
questions I think board members
questions would be helpful okay is there
a board member that would oh do you
wantan to I mean unless you guys want me
to kind of talk about how we got to
where we are as far as I think that
would be helpful yes um I mean as we
kind of just talked
about setbacks and a lot requirements um
you know a lot of the design as far as
the the massing c u is concerned is was
kind of uh driven by um a lot of the
program um I guess wants and desires of
uh Justin's parents and you know kind of
understanding that um we wanted to stay
Within in the zoning limits um although
we're you know clearly over the 800 for
an in-law suite um and you know if you
look at the site
plan it kind of leaves us to a little
bit of a a rectangle which is you know a
little bit kind of the existing house is
you know very orthogonal and um just the
way that the site is laid out
um can only move
linearly um
and you know some of the some of the
things we talked about as far as you
know why we did a a shed roof versus um
you know going maybe more traditional
hip roof was um their neighbor to the
north um they live on a corner so really
their front door is to the north so they
they look upon the backside of their
house so really they we wanted to shift
all of the views um to face South
um so that's kind of what drove a lot of
the um I guess the the roof style
um uh massing and um and you know we
talked a little bit about the the
financial um constraints as far as using
brick and you know slate um but we also
know we wanted to use contemporary
materials that you know are
durable
um and I mean
you know I I think that yes there's
always a um there should be a push to
have some kind of History elements
incorporate in but you know I think that
the neighborhood is you know evolving a
little bit um you know they they happen
to live basically right behind the
Fitzgerald that's going to be going up
so you know their their new neighbor is
essentially going to be a contemporary
building um so I I think current
neighbor we already look at the back of
the Alexander which is very similar and
then we're going to be looking at the
back
of
Fitzgerald and there's not a lot of
choice in that for
us the record and it's all you know we
kind of felt that this is all in the
backyard it's fenced it's fenced in
there's not really much Street presence
uh for the addition um so you know we
thought that deviating from some of
those you know high cost materials
um you know might be a good way to go
the neighbor that you can see in the top
left corner offered to come today the
other neighbor is here uh they're both
very supportive and um they we told them
not the other one not because we're
probably gonna not have a decision
tonight so uh just FYI we you have them
if you'd like to talk to
them okay thank you okay is there a
board member that would like to go
first thank you thank you for the
presentation um I think I understand
what you're trying to do uh for your
family um have you looked at the uh
residential design guidelines for Bexley
have you been through those I have
not that would be a first step because
there's information in there that are
regulations on how we do additions to uh
houses in beex
um so there's studies of massing there's
Heights there's talk about the different
neighborhoods and the aesthetic
character in the different neighborhoods
of
Bexley um and it's really required that
you uh use those as a guide when you're
putting together your
designs so I apologize if that was not
made clear you know when you were
starting your designs but it's really
important that you adhere to those
guidelines um I would say say that the
biggest criticism I have is just the
massing um the main house I mean we
we're here because we're here to
preserve the Beauty and the Integrity of
architecture in Bexley and it's resale
value um which is always part of it and
I I'm sure you understand that I have no
issue with you know using lesser
materials than brick and so on and using
siding you know Hardy Board whatever it
is but it's really about the main house
is what's there was there before you
were there um it is part of the fabric
and the beauty of
Bexley and adds to the diversity of the
architecture here in the
city and so anything that we're adding
to these buildings that really uh have
sort of Precedence and they they they
have a sort of authority you know a lot
of our existing buildings are and what
this fabric is that Bexley has been that
Bexley has has given us um you know
these are
established beautiful architectural
Styles you know throughout the city from
Modern to you know
Colonial and so any time we add on to
these buildings we need to respect that
and we want to make sure that how we're
adding on shows that we're respecting
that and a lot of times it means that
the addition is subservient to the main
house and so I think that would be
something to study a little more is how
can we you know really be subservient to
the to the original House the beauty of
the house that's on uh Park
View and then you know I think that'll
bring up some really interesting ways to
um go after Eve conditions and uh
potentially having uh roof shapes that
are um creating more you know
interesting spaces on the second floor a
lot of times um we will ask
uh applicants to low you know lower the
roof so that it's more subservient to
the main house which is one of our
guidelines and in doing so they they
discover all these ways of creating
windows that you know stick up above the
roof or you know there's you get shaped
ceilings there's ways to do it where
you're you're you're working with the
fabric and and the uh history of Bexley
but you're doing some fun and
interesting things and we have nothing
against doing you know modern additions
to traditional houses or vice versa I'd
love to see a colonial addition to a
modern house um which nobody does but
it's because you know it's all about the
Integrity of the language right if if
you don't understand the language of the
architecture you're working with then
you can't go against it right um because
it won't be successful and so this is
something that you know just takes more
conversation and more study about if
you're going to do a contemporary
addition to a traditional Beckley
house it's really about understanding
what that existing house is what it
means and then coming in and being able
to explain how what you're doing is
respecting that but also doing something
a little different right now I'm not
seeing that so I think it's just going
to be the next round of working through
reading the design guidelines and coming
back if you're really going for contemp
temporary
um you know I mean I wouldn't recommend
it myself but if you are then I just
think that it it's not easy it's it's
not an easy thing to to do something
that is uh respectful of an existing
house and and contemporary especially in
Bexley so we've seen them there's plenty
of um you know designers who who do it
and they do it with great success but a
lot of it has to do with materials it
has to do with
massing you know massing meaning the the
size and the shape of the things that
are being added on and it has to do with
scale and you know we've been approving
some contemporary houses but one of our
driving forces in our review is the
scale of the house everybody wants 16
foot ceilings now and I'm sorry but
that's not Bexley if you're going to do
it you have to be very clever in the way
that you do the outside of the building
so that it doesn't read as a 16t you
know main floor against a house that has
an 8ot main floor um so those are
some kind
of uh tricks of the trade you know when
you're trying to do that in our in our
city so
sure um I think there's a couple things
that s did like you'll in the design
there's like a the Bottom Stone mall and
the the it's a water like a water table
he continued on throughout the house
which I felt like was an odd to that
architecture um he's already after
talking we already discussing like ways
to sh the
L when you said specifically that it's
subservient to the main house how is it
it's not in these plans in your opinion
it's more it's more square footage and
it's you know height specifically you
said the height of the additions how
you're adding in you know you're going
directly to the eve line of the existing
house and then you're addition is
sticking actually up above that the the
perspectival view of this house is that
it it would not it's not the main house
is no longer the focus the addition is
going to be the
focus yep yep yep and we've we've seen
it I mean there's a house on brighten
where the addition is absolutely huge
it's one story and the main house is
yeah and that's the tail wagon the dog
and everybody knows it the neighbors see
it so
um it's and it's not it's not the
character of Bexley we don't we don't do
additions where um the addition is not
subservient to to the main house unless
you're going to create another house so
how like because you're mentioning
another house in Bexley in the corner of
Dale in Drexel there's a house it looks
like the front house to me looks like
something out of an asop Fable and the
house looks like a compound three times
a size
yeah it's unfortunate yeah some things
get through I'm sorry and some things
don't get built the way we approve them
that happens all the time we're trying
to reduce that but you know one of the
things that we've learned as a board is
that some things do get through some
things don't get built the way that we
review them um and we're trying to cut
down on that but you we cannot we we
look at each project individually we
follow the design guidelines we you know
there there's a set of of sort of you
know cultural architectural rules that
we're trying to follow here and you look
around Bexley and yes you're always
going to have that anomaly well you know
over at the corner of you know Ardmore
and this there's a house that does
exactly what we're showing here you know
it's like a court of there's the
precedent for it is something that
you're always going to find in
consistencies you're always going to
find things to snuck through those are
not how we rule here you know we rule on
what we think is best for the house
based on the design guidelines and
there's a lot of back and forth right so
it's not just cut and dry okay you saw
the same thing over on Ardmore okay fine
you're good go do it right that's not
the way it works so we want what's best
for the house what's best for this
neighborhood and you know um and for the
value and the character of this
particular section of this particular
street so the design guidelines really
help establish and we show show you the
character of this
neighborhood um how the you know how the
massing of the buildings you know was
intended to work and then you can you
know you can
always uh Adventure on right but it's
just a matter of respecting what's
there for sure the guidelines but is
there other and I hear what you're
saying about being some serving are
there other like particular feedback
that we should be considering as well
yeah each board member will get a chance
to speak so if you're ready we'll just
move on to the next person and see what
well I just want to ask one quick
question just just because um we're
talking about it being subservient and I
do worry about the um the square footage
because I mean the footprint of the
original house is not that big um so and
you know one of one of the key elements
that we're trying to do is happens to be
a fourcc car garage which inherently
like I don't you know we can't really
make that smallers I just like you know
I worry that but this this is this is
what every architect who works in
Beckley has to deal with especially in
your neighborhood Parkview
Columbia you know not Dale though sorry
not Dale not Dale I mean that that's got
a fourcc car garage there's lots of
houses that have fourcc car garages and
you know that and we don't have we don't
have anything against fourar garages but
this is where the talent of your
designer is going to come in and come up
with solutions that work you know
following the guidelines and following
the character of the neighborhood
so that's that's where I'm going with
this and you can compare square footage
of this house to other houses for what
they're
wanting but the reality is is that these
streets were built with houses of
similar square footage all up and down
when the when you have a lot of clients
who can't deal with that square footage
you know buy these properties look look
at Colombia what do they do they just
tear the whole thing down and start over
again which you're not doing and I
respect that but you know 1500 square
feet or you know uh whatever it is that
you have in this existing uh four square
of a
house totally understand that it's not
up to Snuff for your you know modern
standards and all that but the character
of this city is what we're here to
defend and to uh encourage you to do
creative things that still respect that
so I'm not giving a lot of detail about
you know little things but you know as a
first go for like a preview meeting I
hope that's helpful yeah I I do think
it's helpful I just want to make sure
all the board members have a chance
because we we um you know we spend a lot
of time no that's okay but I just I also
just I don't want to be too I don't want
to beat you up too much I mean the
things like pulling the water table
around maintaining the windows that are
the same size and same proportions
that's all great stuff you didn't it's
not like you're completely you know I I
don't want I don't want you to feel like
it's from scratch but the the eve line
should match up the floor plate should
match up and I think the board other
board members should give you some
feedback let's go to Christina yeah so
um I appreciate what you're doing for
your family um I've been in your
situation I was there for when my mom
needed help for five years at the tail
into her life so
I understand everything you're going
through um um and I think it's beautiful
that you're opening up your family to to
be that sort of support um I think I
mean I agree the massing is I think the
the biggest um thing that we we were
discussing here tonight um for me I also
feel like um your the terrain of your
property is working against you it looks
like you're going uphill to the back of
your property to go into the driveway so
you know where I would suggest oh you
know maybe you consider lowering
down the height of the second floor or
something to kind of diminish that
height of that back property it'll be a
challenge but I think it's something to
consider um you know I'm not going to
belabor things that were mentioned
before but um I I do believe that um I'm
gonna call it the connector between the
main house and um the in-law
suite if you were to drop uh if you were
to drop that Eve line and reconsider
even those windows at a smaller scale so
that it felt like a true connector like
this was the original and potentially
this is the new thing and I know you
have a challenge there with the elevator
but I wonder if there's a way to to do
that that kind of
still be respectful for the front
portion of the original house and then
also um give a little bit more room to
kind of scale down the the main living
area um my other challenge would be to
consider um the South elevation a little
bit more
uh there's a kitchen proposed in the
second floor up there and man would it
be cool to have a kitchen sink with a
window that looks out that gives you
some natural light something up there
that would also bring the scale of that
sighting um because you look at your
current house and there's proportion and
scale in the way that they use the
windows and then you look at the massing
of your proposed addition especially
that back portion and it is mainly
siding and very little bit of it is
scaled down in proportion so I I know
that it's the back of the property I
know it's you know facing neighbors and
whatnot but um those are things I would
say to consider um
I'm sure others have other uh comments
as well you're saying add
windows or be clever about how you do
gutters or something some sort of
transition pieces that kind of scaled
down the U just the the look of all that
siding um and for the banding does it go
from Stone to Stone at the bottom that
water
table current house has it this is
with
the stone below okay yeah I I mean I
appreciate that you've done that that
you've connected the
two Mr
Hall so I think the key word is massing
um you keep hearing that right and and I
said first I know you did you you win
you get the gold medal I'll take the
bronze um that to me I don't have I
don't have an issue with the size I
don't have an issue with the square
footage you're trying to create none of
that I really do and I really do think
that this is a um this this is a project
that could be resolved in massing the
existing house is um is super Charming
you know it's it's got four sides to it
and I think that's one of the issues I
see and it it just came up here this
this addition really has one side to it
that has any visual interest on it and
that's where the garage doors are are
you know on that side so I agree with
the comments about the connector I think
that can almost be used as a as a reveal
of sorts to allow you to transition to
something else I I the shed roof is is
so foreign to everything else going on I
think that's going to be really really
difficult to to resolve um but I would
look to the existing house for some
Notions there's all these little popouts
that occur there's a there's a dormer
that is that is beautiful that's built
into the front and and the word came up
Suburban he used that first too um you
know how do you sort of you know do
additional Dormers yeah and but they
don't have to look exactly like this one
because this one would be complicated to
build you know um and get that you know
the roof shape in it and everything I
think the size of the windows is is
really key in trying to you know Place
those around and everything and I would
I would tell you to look at the the
order of the windows on the existing
building too they're it's it's really
quirky they're kind of you know they're
different and they're they're varied in
a lot of ways I think a move like that
can help with some of the massing um at
the same time so um again I I think you
really just got to you got to sit down
and really put your mind into the
massing um I don't have a problem with
the size of it because I'm I'm confident
you can you can resolve that through
Ming there's big houses you know that
that tend to look small we just saw one
with the roof
um that came up here that that house is
is really quite big but it felt very
charming and very human and that's
that's what you I think that's the
charge
here
yeah you say Mass talking about the
square footage or talking about how it
exactly just how it how it looks and and
how it relates to the neighbors and
everything um I don't you know the
materials yeah I agree it's going to be
you
know we we we're all always probably a
little more lenia on the materials but
it doesn't have to be horizontal siding
it could be shakes if you if you go back
to the design guidelines you're going to
see a lot of shakes um and you can still
use the Hardy Plank and all that to to
create that but I I think you have a
little bit of lead way there to work
with him but it's just m things about
the roof shape the size of the windows
the the so-called popouts and and how
you handle all that
um yeah and I just want to be I don't
have I don't have an issue with the size
and the amount of square footage you're
creating I think that's a question for
Bap more than anything um but I think
you have an opportunity here to resolve
something architecturally it could be
very very beautiful at the end of the
day can I ask you just what you just
said about the I don't even know what
word you use but if you look in that
bottom leth hand corner picture on the
left hand side of the house there's a
bump out where our stairs come and that
white yeah is that what you're is that
that's what I'm talking about yeah you
have that going on all four sides those
are those little quirky things little
Charming things that think that was
something at some point I saw a
rendition of and I didn't know it so it
must have been s so but it wouldn't be
that I don't think anyone has a problem
that Miss
Jones I don't know what comes after the
bronze medal but M thing was also
gen you don't get to stand on the
platform with us
exactly you know I think massing again
for me was the biggest thing um you know
when we look at these things for our
clients whether we're doing a new house
or doing a renovation or addition I
think it really is as others have said
just making sure that that addition
feels like it's not the tail waging the
dog as Mr hire said and so I think my
suggestions which others have touched on
is just to really look at the eve lines
I think revisit um
how the roof on the addition is working
probably not a shed style I loved um
Christina's suggestion about you know
really making that connector you know
maybe it's a little bit more Lacy maybe
it has some more
windows um just making that something
that's a little bit unique and feeling
like there was this gradual you know
growth of the home over time instead of
you know it just sprouted um all at once
but I think you know I won't belor any
of this but hopefully that gives you
guys some things to work with that spawn
a question in my head then so I think we
covered that in the first people that
were up here with the the cost of
slating this whole thing like it's
insane how much that stuff costs these
days but I think we have a drawn steel
roof at this point is there going to be
a problem with that next time or is it
if if we bass it or say I'm is that
aesthetically okay will that work would
you prefer that versus that's natural
element yeah was it just the standing
seam on the connector uh standing seam
throughout
throughout just have to see the massing
but yeah a lot of times it's the you
know when we look at roofs how much of
the roof it what percentage of the roof
is actually visible from the road that's
a big factor in the way a lot of times
we look at roofs you know oh my gosh
this house is you know like a big
A-frame and all I see is roof well
that's a different animal when we judge
it then if it's something like this you
know it's a four square where most of
what you're seeing is Brick and windows
and chimneys and Dormers and the roof is
only it's like less than a quarter of
what you're looking at um and yours is
an addition in the back so that's also a
perception issue because
when we're talking about you know
maintaining the character of a
neighborhood again yes the designs in
the back how much of it is visible how
does it play into the perception from
the street how much does it play into
the perceptions that your neighbors are
going to have right are they looking
down on this big roof are they looking
you know across they don't they're not
looking down on it um there's all kinds
of things that we kind of study when
we're looking at a roof but the material
a lot of it's about the proportion of
what you see ironically when you said
that that you know one of the reasons
that we talked about this from the very
beginning is because Kevin's house faces
the big window side that's where the all
the show is our other Bobby and
Kathleen's house faces they're it's the
back of their house facing the back of
our house so it was sort of in the
thought process of having a very
slightly pitched roof you won't see it
from the from the road yeah having it up
higher won see it from the road and the
part the people that actually have to
look at it every a will see the
beautiful part of it or whatever it is
so that was that was thought about now
followup question to that we change this
Demas it whatever you want to say change
the the roof line and and change the
design of it you're GNA see more roof
yes but are we going to dig ourselves in
another hole material no because because
it's it's all about the proportion of
wall to roof you know and right now you
have very little roof in in what you see
and and a ton of lots of lots of wall um
the southide in particular is nothing
but wall so maybe you give your
neighbors a little more roof and a
little less wall a little more window
you see so it's all about that
proportion and that's in the guidelines
you know in terms of those kind of
ratios and there's no mathematical rule
for it it's just an aesthetic designer
you know really working that out
I I I only my only reason for asking all
these questions is to make sure we ask
them now because really truly there's a
there's a ticking time bomb in this
whole thing as you can attest
there's I can't let it keep going month
and month and month and month it's
because something's gonna happen like
we're gonna make something happen where
my parents move down here kind of thing
so we just want
to we just want to abide by the rules
make it look great whatever it is
without bankrupting ourselves so please
understand it's where it's coming
from okay I really don't have anything
to add I feel like everybody has uh
talked um um pretty smartly about what
they want to see next time so um at this
point I think we can just do you want us
to just table you to January that's
right there's no December there's no
December meeting um we're off um during
December and uh actually the night we
would normally meet I think there's a
big old Christmas party so um yeah so a
be and then come back yes that will save
you a lot of time I was just talking
about that so oh sorry we were just
discussing that um I would love that my
my hangup is Bap is very particular and
we have to be very particular about the
variance granted in the because it's an
area variance right so right now I have
you pegged for 764 square feet of an
area variance so if you change the
massing or you g to change the square
footage the variant that's asked
for you know I think we
could we have the plans revised
because be's in two weeks no it's you
have a little more time because of
Thanksgiving so if you could get at
least a schematic of a
new we just have to have at
least a pretty good idea of what and a
pretty exact variance I'm I'm afraid you
there might be so many changes but I
think we
can we can verbalize we can we can
construct this to go ahead and go to
beap if you're ready and if you're not
you'll go in January but if Bap approves
something at this square footage they
can change it a statically they just
can't go over the square footage that
got approved is that correct correct
they would get right now it would
be400 you get a 764 square foot variance
is what I'm gonna propose to beap they
would grant you that variance as you
said and if you if you did a 600 square
foot you could go up to that number
essentially yeah so yes you could go to
beap December 5th if that's what we want
to do I I I think we go ahead and do it
and worst case it gets tabled and along
with this you know you'll come back in
January but I'm St I'm still working all
December just because we're on meeting
so we can sit down we can talk because I
can give you know I can give you a
hundred we can talk through 100
different things that I see on the
original house that would be great to
just pull through like those big
overhangs or you know you could put the
standing seam on the connector and then
have the asphalt you know that would
proa it just depends on the design so if
you can kind of get the floor plans
enough that Matt can determine the
variance we could do that do that and
just a I guess clarification on the the
in-law suite you know what and you
mentioned you know kitchen
bathroom
um and I'm just thinking about houses
that have like a second kitchen I'm you
know like what
what can we do I guess that would not
make it seem more of like an in-law
suite because I guess this project is
kind of a phase one you know obviously
um Justin's parents you know hopefully
they'll be here for a long time but you
know that is a something that they'll
have to hit down the road and we've
already talked about like you know how
do we connect it um on the interior to
make it feel more like one unit you know
when that time comes and so you know
like I don't know how
to not trying to like get around or like
find a loophole as far as like an in-law
suite but you know we really are kind of
trying to think about this as like it's
aition it's not um you know I guess it
is a suite in the house but our full
intention is to dwell in this space in
the future
yeah they they got they got four of us
share our bathrooms three s foot closets
and say you know I think they want to
take over at some point in are so I
would make sure you design it that way
then so that when you're ready to
transition back where you just live in
the whole thing make sure that it does
that pretty EAS we talked about that
yeah you don't
want money right now the connector is
built the way it is because if you look
in the back right there where the
white um balcon balcony is right there
and then that the point of that is that
you can walk out that door into the
structure the second floor that was the
whole plan there we didn't go through it
because it's going to add cost to the
whole thing you know eventually we like
that to
be yeah there's them initial challenges
just with that little pop out on the
side is where the stairs are so that you
know the main circulation of the house
faces North and it's you know surrounded
by bedrooms so trying to be able to blow
through you know one of the bedrooms at
this point is you know functionality
doesn't necessarily make sense but
future okay so are you asking then to be
um tabled till January and then um we
will give no recommendation to Bap just
say that we table them I would just say
move to Bap with the with theand back
here
okay with no we are with no recom
recomendation yes okay so that doesn't
mean that that means we are tbling them
or we aren't table we're not because
we're moving them to Bap and then but
we're
with the condition that they come back
for design reveal okay so do you
understand that that yes so whether you
come back in January whenever you're
ready you can come back so y
January okay um do we need to do a a
roll call on that then can I ask you one
more question for real quick yeah is
there Kevin was nice enough to come here
for on our behalf is there any that we
could ask him you guys want to ask him
to put him on record that says he's good
um yeah why don't you just come forward
and state whether you are for it or
against
it I the back well we gotta swear you a
gotta be legy good how are you state
your name and address please Kevin Bowen
474 South Parkfield do you swear or
affirm the testimony you give this
evening will be the truth I affirm thank
you yes I support
it thank
you so many people have nice neighbors
tonight no it's
great he's the mean
one okay for the feedb thank you thank
you and we will see you back in January
appreciate
it okay our next order of new business
is application oh wait um could you
please take a vote and a motion and move
yeah we need we need to make make a
motion to move to Bap with no
recommendation I make the recommend I
make I make the motion that this
application move to Bap with no
recommendation from the ARB with the
condition that the condition that it be
remanded back to ARB for design
review second
pava and can you call the
role yeah no no findings
in okay um Mr Hall yes M Jones yes Mr H
yes Miss pinosa yes chairwoman Tony yes
thank
you okay our next application of new
business is Bap 2441 the address is 2111
Park Hill the applicant is Steven Swope
the owner is Patrick King the applicant
is Seeking a recommendation to the board
of zoning and planning for a certificate
of appropriateness for the removal of an
existing CMU masonry peers an actuated
vehicular gate new attached single Bay
garage Edition which is 364 Square ft
and a new side door metal awning
replacement modified landscaping and
hardscaping Could you um state your name
and address please Steve schw 886
critchfield Road and do you swear affirm
the testimony you give this evening will
be the truth yes thank
you okay this application um is for an
addition of a garage structure that has
a Ved connection to the original house
um I'm sure most of you are very
familiar with this house it's probably
on a lot of our walks it's beautiful um
I I I've studied this this whole drawing
set quite a bit um Stephen has been um
uh very responsive to everything I've
asked for which is mostly site site plan
clarification um I was concerned that
putting another structure so far toward
the RightWay would be heavy on that um
that that side but I feel more comfor I
feel very comfortable with it now
because I've seen the elimination now of
stone pillars is that what they yeah
stone columns so just to be clear those
are going away so you will have now A
different kind of stone on you know
toward the street um you know I really
don't have any critique because I
actually like the project a lot but I I
do know there were some board members I
wanted to keep it on the regular agenda
so I will pass it on um after if you
want to add whatever you'd like to add
yeah and I appreciate that it's a great
um way to set the table for the
conversation here um you know this is a
particularly quirky Street uh and the
lot itself is quirky um uh at the corner
of Park Hill and Westland um the
Westland actually as you can as you
imagine in the zoning U doesn't have a
lot of order to it as far as consistency
go but um and it really comes
inconsistent as it approaches that
intersection um this particular site uh
you can
see uh site has dramatic grade stemming
from the north to the South um and then
the auto Court that's currently there um
puts puts the homeowners at a kind of a
peculiar uh situation as far as a reic
maneuver I think it's um I'm excited to
hear the board's thoughts on on what we
proposed here um one the the design
challenge that we had was to optimize
and the parking situation that they have
it's it's currently set up where um it's
insufficient uh to park two cars in
their garage it's kind of a first world
problem but it is a problem that um
we're looking to address and fix um now
with the dramatic grades on the site
we're limited on on and the fact that
it's a corner lot we're limited on where
this where new build can go um
especially with the heavy building
setback line that's presented on wesland
so yes on paper the the encroachment
does look egregious but when you look at
it you know in context with the site and
the surrounding you know streetcape um I
think you're going to find that it's
it's quite uh the impact isn't as quite
as as uh evident as probably what it
could be um so I'm again I'm excited to
hear you guys' thoughts and opening up
to
questions thank you is there a board
member that would like to go
first I'm probably the one that was the
one who wanted to hear this tonight
partly because this is truly one of my
favorite houses in Bexley and I I just
think it's I drive by this almost every
day my office is over here by a giant
eagle and I drive over to Charles for a
project and I drive just past this house
I love it and so one of the things that
I
hate about things I love I talk about
things I hate the thing I hate is CAD
drawings because cads drawings don't you
know there's there's no reflection of
what the real Eaves of the house are in
this Cad and I know it
wasn't needed for what you're trying to
do but you know you've got all those
little brackets and corales and there's
's there's a really beautiful Eve
condition on the main house which was
not replicated on the stucco edition of
the house and so what I'd like to make
sure is going to happen is that the eve
of this new very small garage is going
to be the little
brother of the main house you know it's
it shouldn't be the same size it
shouldn't be the same CAD profile that
you're showing it's you need to spend
some time really working out that
detail and I'll I can point out what I'm
talking about if you zoom in on the main
house yeah you see you've got all these
all these modillions they're called
right and then you've got AP fascia and
then you've got a crown and if you go
and that's it's very well proportioned
it's a gorgeous gorgeous detail uh
especially on top of the windows and
these butter joints of the stone then
you go to the stucco Edition which is
just
behind that and they didn't you know
whenever that was built they didn't show
difference to that main Crown this this
has a very deep s it it has nothing to
do with the one that's beyond at the
main house except maybe the horizontal
lines which it may have been done you
know just they they just imitated some
horizontal lines as they were building
this addition
and then if you look down at this pretty
little um porch chip Andale porch you
know obviously this is a much smaller in
tablature Eve condition so what I'm
really asking is that when you do this
garage just make sure that you know the
proportion of that Eve and the details
that you put on it are subservient and
you know sort of the little brother
little sister to the main house and not
this thing which it to me just doesn't
give the same beautiful character that
the main Eve does I'm not saying you
have to put all the Medallion on uh
which are lovely but that shows the the
prim Primacy of this main house by
having those but you could do something
smaller you know more petite um that's
that you know is related to that but
without Medallion yeah I think the the
commitment can be there to to emulate
the the architectural charm that comes
out of the original house and I think
that the portion is small enough where
you know the cost is probably negligible
to pick up some of those details
that get lost in a
bigger it's just that when I saw the cad
drawings the the your CAD drafter just
copied the same detail from the house
onto your new garage and that was my
worry can you go to the drawing the
elevation zoom in on that
yeah yeah see what I'm
saying yeah it's it's a little it's a
little dumbed down on the elevation view
but the but this is
huge this is way too big it's the same
size as this and this this is just way
too
big so proportionally you're just going
to shrink saying yeah okay you got to
shrink it down I don't want to drive by
this and see a bad Eve condition because
I'm going to put little no I won't say
but it's you know and I love I just I
love everything about it I love the way
that you're working it as a retaining
wall that you know basically the garage
is becoming a retaining wall for the
soil um you got a new little entry way
but and the other thing that I would say
and then I'll be quiet is that this
whole street is filled with buildings
that are right up against the property
lines or the you know the easements the
setbacks that's the charm of this street
is the way everything comes up and why
it's one of the most popular places for
people to go
walking well I feel I feel bad because
directly across the street is the wall
the the six foot wall that you can't see
over and that's pretty it's pretty uh I
would say obtrusive um to the point
where your view is actually only looking
more West sure yeah in inside of this
property so hopefully coupled with some
well appointed Landscaping uh in this
little popup garage there's going to be
some architectural stimulation there
that happens that I think will be well
received by Walkers and drivers alike
um I don't really have much to add um I
think it's lovely I actually really
appreciate the barrel Vault connector I
thought it was very clever um and I I
appreciate that you didn't just s on the
garage you actually gave it its own
little its space and and kind of cited
it in a way that it would be more like a
little Folly in a landscape um so I I
have no further
comments Miss Jones I don't really have
anything to add either I think um you
know when I was looking at this I
admittedly did not notice that um Eve
details but I think it's I think it's a
lovely um way to approach a garage
Edition yeah I don't excuse me I don't
have a lot of comments either um when I
first looked at this I you know the I
appreciate that you know you're using a
slight roof stone exterior and
everything um I would just ask that
you're as the designer on the project
you're very particular about how that
Stone's going to look at the end of the
day um I think it's going to be very
very difficult to
match um and I think the intent is from
what I'm seeing on here that it matches
so you're trying to match some old world
stuff an old world
application um and just be very
particular about it hoping the overgrout
will lend us some leeway when it comes
to yeah hiding some of the
inconsistencies that come along with
trying to mash that stone but yeah I
feel like
um I think with the right Miss we can
get that unlocked just yeah just work it
to the point of that it starts the the
feel the way it should
that's that's it
great is there anyone in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application um okay so I I agree with
everything here I am super happy to see
that you're putting the slate roof on it
because I think at the height that it is
that's so important so good job thank
you I'm gonna need all the help I can
get with the the B app I think it's uh
the the magnitude of the ask on the
variance is going to be a tough uphill
battle but I think with your guys's uh
Shield I can run through that
Gauntlet just ask them if they listen to
the recording of this hearing and how
much we all love what you're doing I
will be
there I'll be I'll be sure to include it
in my report Bill Terri thank you guys
but yeah even mean you literally are
taking such a prominent spot and and
using authentic material so love it okay
so um what I I'm hearing that we want to
have the the uh details of the E redone
do you want to see that back or do you
want to remand that to Karen or no
that's a remand no now that I've now
that I see it I can't unsee it I mean I
wouldn't mind seeing it I wouldn't mind
having Miss Boer pass it on you know I
just send out an email uh you know if
you send me a new elevation with that
change I can just send it to you guys
right I don't have any problem with that
I don't think there's any reason to have
it come back I I really appreciate that
that call out because I I didn't and I
didn't catch it either so for the
findings of fact we're saying that we
want that those Eaves scaled down and to
mimic the house the main house better is
that what you that's correct
I matched the eve detailing
proportionally to the main house
perfect
reduce proportionally not
match match the
detailing well it's
not you want me to make the
motion I make the motion uh for approval
with the condition that the garage Eve
be more sensitive in its detailing in
proportion in relation to the main house
uh existing
Eve okay catch that on recording I got
it I got it second
Jones we call the
rooll uh findings and facts and
conclusion I have to read it findings
facts and conclusion of law uh for the
application bcap 2441 for the property
located at 2111 One Park Hill Drive the
architecture review board recommends
that the application be approved to the
board of zoning and planning for
certificate of
appropriateness uh with the condition
that the E detailing um match
proportionally uh to the main house but
reduced in
scale
um I'll write it yeah is that is that
record yeah roll call Mr Hall
yes Mr hire yes Miss Bosa yes Miss Jones
yes chairwoman Tony yes thank you you
are approved thank you very
much okay our last order of business
tonight is a tabled application from
last month it is application arb2 24-39
the address is 806 Francis the applicant
is David green and the owner is David
Green the applicant is seeking
architecture review and approval and a
certificate of appro for a conversion of
a rear porch to an enclosed
kitchen okay um if you recall this was
at before us it came before us if you
want to sure you raise your right hand
please state your name and address David
Green 806 Francis Avenue do you swear or
affirm the testimony you give this
evening will be the
truth swear thank you
David So this application didn't quite
have enough information for the board um
to be comfortable looking at it um
really Matt has worked with David um
mostly and I've encouraged him to
include extra pictures and clear
drawings and an additional elevation
which I'm getting to so that there we go
so you can see the side the South
elevation as well
um and I think
th this little bump out is going to go
all the way down to the ground we talked
about that and with matching brick
um well David do you want to walk them
through anything Matt did this kind of
uh just to kind of clarify what's
currently it's not a lot of additional
space this is a current existing porch
that will be converted into a kitchen
and then a new bay window that goes all
the way it's a bump out that goes all
the way to the ground
okay Mr Green is there anything else you
want to add to the application to
explain your
thoughts no I don't I don't does anybody
see anything yeah can I ask a question
DS yeah so my question is you have these
corales that are sticking out creating a
little Pera type thing right is there
going to be a a like a cedar are you
gonna have Cedar strips on top of it
that bindes can grow on well that was
the idea you know cut Sun sunlight kind
of a yeah because I don't see any of
those in this drawing I just see the
brackets I know I know well I I can put
them in there so that that nice bracket
that quirky bracket that you drew up
there at the Top If you scroll up or
yeah up a little bit see I would have
expected to see
those slats sitting on top of that in in
that drawing so that I can understand
how many there are how they're spaced
how many do you intend to put that's 18
inches are you going to put three on
there probably about an inch and a half
wide yeah and
about three inches apart four or five so
you're G to get like three maybe four
what appropriate shade 5050 shade got it
that's was my only question because you
know they didn't make any sense without
having those slots on there well I could
change that whole outline but I don't
know this is influx but I I think the um
the basic outline is you know what I'm
thinking of right and
um it's hard to change things you know
you get used to a house the way it is
you don't want to radically change it I
I think it's fine it's just it's a
little quirky but it's it's h it's it's
David Green I don't think this radically
I don't think this radically changes the
look no I just wanted to know about
those slats because if you're going to
get shaved you got to get them on there
and they're just anyway that was all I
had I think the extra drawings and
pictures are very
helpful
ask I appreciate that you went through
and and gave us the additional material
because it was hard to see previously um
is the brick matching to the existing
house that's supposed to be exactly the
same as the original okay and then in
fact they're going to take some of the
original and reuse it whenever possible
so the the original facing on the inside
of the porch would be cut out and reused
for the El oh wow okay there's a there's
a Mason I use it's really good he he
Specializes in
restoration and he knows how to find
brick that are that match
so and also the stone would be similar
the stone uh
seill and could you speak a little bit
more about the windows um I I saw a note
that they would match what is there
currently yeah same brand same same
everything
okay there's a if you go up to the
uh the rear view yeah yeah the eony the
I don't know if you can see the window
inside the
porch but that's what I was going to use
on so are you changing it the same color
the the
darker frame as well or are they going
to be white same same
um same
color same everything except
well same same gutter
type same
everything it would just
be the brick would be raised up and then
there would be windows on the top
okay that's all I have Mr
H I don't have I don't have an issue
with the idea and what you're trying to
do here there is I just look at this and
there's a ton of details that had not
been really thought out like you're
showing this this bay window being built
out right so but yet in section you're
showing an existing roof joist when you
take that wall out from underneath of it
you're going to interrupt the bearing of
that roof chice right right that's why I
uh I talked to the contractor about
there is a gutter running around this
thing that there is no down spouts
showing
currently um the door opens up and it
just there's there there's steps right
in front of it there's no Landing or
anything so that um architecturally I
think you're on the right track
especially if you're going to you with
the brackets make a little bit of a
sunscreen out of it and whatever but but
there is a lot of details here that um
need to be thought about and you know I
would tell you this is just you got to
get a building permit and you're there's
I I don't know why any CL would I did
forget to put the gutter in there that
you're right that that I should have put
that in there down so down sorry um but
the drawings do help this the South
elevation helps visualize a lot better
what your um what your approach is and
um I you know my my only comment is you
got there there's a lot to figure out
with this um
so well I guess that all everything
isn't
perfect but if you have any suggestions
I'm open to suggestions no I'm really I
I'm fine with the direction you're
heading with with the materialism and
the placement of the windows and the
type of Windows that was just
discussed
um how you construct it is where is what
I'm more concerned about at this point
well there needs to be some uh detail
drawings especially of the wall and the
um the
upper edge of the roof it's it's it
would come out more at
a that yeah it it angles over to the um
bay window but then the roof line would
be still be square so it there would be
a little more overhang there and
um you know it's kind of
uh it just it just fits in you know you
you you you widen it it just sort of I
don't know it just sort of it just sort
of fits together I mean I
just there's nothing radical about it
it's just uh so those drawings will be
required to obtain a
permit sorry one question are the steps
existing those steps are existing did
are what the steps in the back they're
existing the stairs going out from the
door the door yes the door would be okay
on the very end she's asking if you're
replacing the steps oh one step yeah
replacing all the
steps so Mr H that you'll need a landing
there probably a railing too yes the
porch goes down yes but what Mr Hall's
point is that you're G to need a landing
there and a rail so when you get to the
point where you're drawing your your
drawings for permit you're going to have
to comply with things like a landing and
a rail and things like that so at that
point I guess Karen can help you with
the details of yeah I mean you'll have
to somebody draw the permit drawings but
I'll I'll be there to you know make sure
the details match these so that's a new
requirement well you'll have to have a
rail based on the East
Elevation there's no way that's not
going to need a rail by code
and while it's not code I'd highly
suggest and agree with Suzanne Tony
chairman Tony that you should have a a
landing it's really hard to get into a
door with four steps without a landing
so it and move the steps out even
farther yeah do a 4x4 kind of landing
and then the three steps down from
there and you may want something over
that door while you're doing so it would
go straight across so it would be about
a foot 18 in above the door okay Miss
Jones do J you have
comment uh I think my only comment is I
don't have a problem with anything that
you're showing conceptually um just you
know obviously we'll need a little bit I
think you will need a little bit more
detail as the um project
finalizes and that's all I have to add
to I think you're missing quite a few
Det details um before you can get a
building permit for it but Karen can
help you with all those and uh make sure
that you can submit something that's
complete
so okay is there a board member that
would like to make a motion or do we
have any requests of things that they
want to see as it gets further
developed did you already ask anybody in
the audience I'm sorry is there anyone
in the audience that would like to speak
about this
application I'll make the motion for
approval with the condition that um
final details be
um um worked out with the um design
consultant second
Jones findings and facts and conclusions
of law for application arb24 d39 for the
property located at 806 Francis the
Architectural Review Board finds that a
certificate of appropriateness should be
issued for the conversion of a rear
porch to an enclosed kitchen with the
following condition that the final
details be worked out with the city's uh
residential design
consultant do you understand the
findings the fact is they are read I can
do
it okay is is there a uh board member
that will make a
motion roll call roll call U Miss panasa
yes Mr H yes Miss Jones yes Mr Hall yes
chairwoman Tony yes thank you thank you
yeah I appreciate it thanks a
lot
sure no I just wanted to know Matt's
really given us me a ton of flexibility
if you've noticed things are up like
right at the four weeks maybe three
weeks and I think that reflects in how
many we had in consent I'm able to work
with people a lot so I just ask all of
you to keep giving me feedback so we can
improve it even more um I mean a lot of
changes have been done which I think is
really um beneficial and now I'm going
to really start working on getting some
pull outs of the design guide guidelines
to so that because the problem is I I
always refer people with design
guidelines but they're 148 pages so it's
really difficult so I think if we if I
do some section pullouts I think it will
be a good thing to to give to
people and know I can add um my my next
my December goal is updating our website
and making the design guidelines more
prominent on the building and Zoning
page that will happen um promise and
then I also have a I'm GNA have kind of
we're going to do a permit Success
Checklist and then also have examples
like an ARB Success Checklist like you
know basically a template of the
drawings like what we you want you know
all the details you want on the drawings
so hopefully you know give me a couple
months here we'll start to turn over uh
quicker and things will be more uniform
that are coming before you whether
they're handdrawn by a homeowner or not
I know the administration wants to to
allow homeowners to still handdraw
things if they want but hopefully even
if they're handdrawn they have the
details on there that you guys want I
think that's important I think a visual
is important for people to see yeah um
we're get we're getting there getting I
would also ask that you check your
Search bot setups for the internet when
you when I type in um Bexley
Architectural Review guidelines nothing
comes up except for the
2000 so it's just the way that it's
being searched it's not there on Google
we got to up we got to up our app game I
know called marketing people that but
yeah I mean it's there on the ARB site
but people who are looking for
residential design guides in Bexley they
they might not know that they have to go
to the ARB site first and then scroll
down to the bottom and find the the
guidelines maybe I can sweet talk to
Mayor and put it on the homepage that'd
be
awesome okay we'll see get I'll get it
more prominently featured I promise yeah
I mean those those search butt things
it's like where do you you put that you
put that in the code of the page or
something and you you can like quote
quotation all the words that would
reference ARB or the guidelines and you
put all those words you line them all up
so that when the search Bots go and
somebody does a search it automatically
comes up way way I know I'll work on it
keep keep adding to our list we love
it but I I just
want but I do think it's it I mean I'm
thank you Matt because it's amazing how
much more I I have three weeks now to
work with people which you see you see
what
happens right and I noticed all the
applications were easy to scroll through
this time so we're already seeing
yes that's that one package just says
materials yeah great great great so the
way I'm been doing it is if it's their
first meeting um and they keep adding
you'll see one or one point two 1.3 I
think it's pretty self-explanatory so if
if it has a two first it means that
they've been to us before the only thing
just a little thing is that a lot of the
photos are still 90 Dees I'm trying hard
cannot rotate them I I thought I fixed
that because I've been reopening the PDF
and like okay I'll keep working on
it I'm we are jour