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we will call to order the September 12th
2024 Bexley Architectural Review board
meeting a h can we call the role
please well my thing says September 12th
at the top oh that's
my October 10 a little behind
that now see the secret to recycling
agenda and I literally am Ron bergundy I
will read anything on the teleprompter
so it is the o 10
20 the October 10th 2004 Bexley
Architectural Review board
meeting Matt can you uh call the rooll
please yes thank you uh Mr Calhoun here
miss
penasa here Mr Hall here Mr Scott here
and Madam chair Tony
here uh we would like to approve the
meeting minutes from last
month did everyone get a chance to and
is there a board member that will make a
motion uh seeing no comment I make a
motion to approve meeting
minutes I second call
mat will call the role Mr Hall yes Mr
Scott yes Miss penosa yes Mr coun yes
madame chair Tony
yes this is the time of the meeting for
public comment is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about
something to the board that is not on
the agenda
tonight okay seeing no one we will go
then to our consent agenda we have three
items on the consent
um agenda that have been approved they
are application Bap
24-26 the address is 662
Veron the second one is application Bap
24-38 the address is 2610 Briden and the
last one is application arb2
24-42 the address is 799
chelce did all board members get a
chance to review those and we are okay
with approving them
okay is there a board member please that
will make a motion to approve those
three oh I'm sorry is there anyone in
the audience that came here to speak
about any of those three
applications okay seeing no one is there
a board member that will please make a
motion Paul motion to or I propose a
motion to approve the consent
items a second second
panovska Mr Scott
yes Miss penasa yes Mr Hall yes Mr
Calhoun yes
madame yes okay we also have one other
announcement uh application Bap 24-23
the address is 2823 alagan has um pulled
that they're not able to be here tonight
so we are going to go ahead and tell
them to go to bap's meeting because that
was a BAP application and they will just
get uh basically put on next month's
agenda
you think make a motion for
that um yeah it wouldn't hurt move move
to uh so is it are we tabling it or are
we just
moving last go ahead that'd be perfect
and if you want you can condition it or
you can ask for a back
here
yeah
not is is there a board member that will
make a motion for
that uh I move
to send this applicate to Bap with the
condition that it is recommendation that
it comes back to the board final
review and a second second
Hall just trying it's
okay Miss panasa
yes Mr Calhoun yes Mr Scott yes Mr Hall
yes Madam Cher Tony
yes okay that takes us to Old business
we will start with application number
arb2 24-9 the address is 236 North
Columbia the applicant is John Beall and
the owner is yoaz SAR the applicant is
seeking architecture review and approval
of a a
certificate design of a new home this
application was approved at the
September RB with the condition that the
elevations come back for review and
approval by the
board so we will swear in the applicant
do you swear affirm the testimony you
give this evening will be the
truth I do thank you John and state your
name please
just does it stay on oh yeah okay uh
John Beall okay can you just give us a
real quick synopsis of the elevations so
one thing I figured out after the last
meeting since we've been used all these
years Karen checking the drawings to see
that they match the design drawings I
realized that since you've changed the
policy uh and we bring those drawings
back to you I had you know Kieran would
not let one tiny thing be different than
the approved drawing so actually this is
actually in a way there's a convenience
to this so that because obviously in
developing these you you find a few
small things uh
essentially it's exactly the same house
so there's just a couple small changes
and do you want me to point them out if
you would please and ask Karen to pull
up whichever draw okay so Karen let's
look at the rear elevation which is the
East
Elevation thanks for that explanation
that's exactly why changed it thank you
well I'm gonna say I think you might do
a better job than no board because
you're so exacting but nonetheless you
know it's fine that you know I'm I'm
sure you're not happy unhappy to give
that
up the back no the other the the the
East yeah
so can't hear
you okay so you remember how we changed
that connector piece on the front last
time well as we were finally working out
and I some of these board members I'm
not sure if you know but we know we had
a change in clients due to the overall
schedule on this project and so they
they needed a few other um they needed
it to be able to get between the space
over the garage and the other part of
the second floor so we see that uh that
that little connector piece there that's
that window is
new and of course matches the window
below there's a little overhang there as
well that's a low slope roof and I just
want to remind everybody that is
sandwiched deep ly Within These two
other pieces so certainly from any
neighbor it's not even visible and I
think it's equally fine to what we had
before so I'll just say that then a
couple of things I noticed on this
drawing that I missed when we I reviewed
Jim wri's drawing so could you go back
to the garage elevation and uh see the
we lift the milons out of those
windows those few Windows right there so
I'm sorry that just got uh kind of
passed passed by and the the other let's
go back to the other side or the
U side the that and we added that little
cover over that uh porch door but
essentially those are the changes we
made I I'd say I think they're don't
change the approvability of the overall
house is that
it um Mr Scott would you please go first
sure uh I don't have I'm in support of
it I have uh I think that thank you for
pointing out that the what I'll call
subtle changes uh and I understand the
reasons for that and I have uh I have no
concern over any of that I think overall
that the proportions and the breakdown
of the house is great and I appreciate
that uh we're seeing the cad version of
the seductive rendering uh and that you
were so successful getting it to match
and you were definitely confident in the
last meeting that it was accurate but we
can see that that it was so that's great
um I I really only have I see that you
have three different locations for your
air conditioning uh units which I think
look like they're being somewhat
thoughtfully placed do you know where
the gas service is going to come in at
or be on this on the building are you
there well the existing gas comes in
sort of parallel to the driveway I
believe so I would assume we come in the
same way so that side of the house where
you plan on putting it on the back or I
would think it'd end up in the front
it's not a huge deal I mean you know I I
my my senses end up in the front would
hid it by Landscaping with the
Landscaping so really I think other than
that I think um you know I know we've
seen the materials before and I think
it's
all appropriate for the uh style of the
house so
I have no no other comments thank
you Mr
Hall uh yeah I just U I'm not going to
repeat everything that Pete said I think
it's the proportions of the house are
nice and I do appreciate you bringing
and pointing out the changes um that
been made um I really have no comments
to be honest with you so thank
you
that's um I appreciate the rigor and
putting it into something Hardline um uh
I love a seductive drawing but I've also
been on the other end where I've triy to
rationalize early seductive drawing so I
know um the iterations it takes to get
here
um can you remind me really quickly
about the windows that's the only thing
that I couldn't find in all the previous
things and and maybe I've missed it I I
thought we submitted it we're using uh
Pella the Pella contemporary Windows
which are you know they are a wood a
wood and a clad window but you know they
have the narrower frame R be and they're
in the iron Ora color which is that dark
gray color so it the the idea is that it
gives kind of the feeling of those metal
windows that would be in some historic
Bexley houses especially houses that
were this style so that's the concept
and the and the specified product great
thank you I have no further comment
thank you Mr
C I have no comments either I think the
house is fine and appropriate for the
neighborhood
um and so I I missed last month I was
out of town um is the did the uh the
roof is asphalt right did you discuss
the uh the idea of slate for it no no
it's not on the
table okay I just wondered because the
last time you drew a house like this it
ended up with a slate roof which I think
is very Charming so yeah you exra couple
hundred thousand dollars hanging around
it would be a wonderful idea wouldn't it
okay is there anyone in the audience
that came to speak about this
application okay seeing no one um is
there a board member that will make a
motion I don't hear that we have any
conditions or anything so I'm
assuming right I hear nothing
so well um that's what I was just
looking at and I was just thinking we
did findings and facts last time with
the condition that it came back for the
elevation
so
um has okay
this would still still have to go still
have to meet the other conditions which
I don't even know what they were I know
for one
of need toate
no no no because it was approved with
the condition so okay findings and facts
in conclusion law for application number
bcap
24-28 the board find certificate
appropriate and should be issued for the
property located at 236
North conditions from the prior
application have been
met you called that bcap this is ARB
24-9 249 this is ARB 24-9 236 North col
my that was my fault I wouldn't say that
the conditions that met I say the
condition of the review of the elevation
specific I was looking at the wrong
agenda I was looking at my B agenda from
last month when I made my notes I'm
sorry that was a that's food truck
that's the
EAS okay sorry uh I will reread that um
findings and facts and conclusion of law
um for application ARB 24-9 the board
finds that a certificate appropriateness
should be issued for the property
located at 236 North Columbia as
recommended with the uh for the approval
that the conditions the elevations have
been
met thank
you okay so at this point I just need
someone to make a motion to
approve motion to approve
call and a
second second
[Music]
Calhoun Matt will call the
rooll thank you Miss basa yes Mr Scott
yes Mr Calhoun yes Mr Hall yes madame
chair Tony yes you are approved thank
you thank
you okay next application is number arb2
24-26 the address is 33 north gold the
applicant is Paul C Necker and the owner
is Paul C Necker the applicant is
seeking architecture review and approval
and a certificate of appropriateness for
a demolition of an existing home and the
construction of a new replacement home
the application was tabled at the
September 24 ARB meeting for final
design development of the proposed new
structure
can we swear you in please can you state
your name Paul cneer do you swear affirm
the testimony that you will give this
evening will be the truth I do thank
you
okay yes please okay so this actually
was Ted up both August and September
meetings just by way of reminder the
demolition um part of this had little to
no discussion and the board did not ask
for any supporting um information so
that is off the table
part of this to to prent the demolition
um the C ners have come back with some
details that we asked them to um for
their final drawings um you can go
through the drawings there's a whole
window package it's just good in
here I asked for
that
it two things that I would really like
to talk about on the
Elations other
that material samples are in here it
looks good um I would like to point out
and if Mr H was here I'd be leing him to
it columns need a little more
detail
problem want
sure well we figure there's going to be
a top seal plate you know and then then
the framing and yeah then some other
yeah yeah
yeah routered edges and all that nice
stuff
yeah
okay
yeah the the one thing that did change
on the window schedule was uh the two
upper front and rear windows uh the
architect originally had those those two
separate ones and the window company put
them together and to make it a double
window
um and and so that that that that was
they thought they go this would be more
appropriate and uh so that that was the
only the big thing that changed and yeah
we we nared the window down to be the
same width as the the upper uh one on
the garage they put grids in the windows
I didn't ask them to do that but I'm
like I'm satisfied either way that uh
you would think I think it looks a
little goofy having it
just really all I have
I'm Mr cneer is there anything else you
want to explain to us before we go to
the board uh I don't I mean so uh one on
the rear steps so what we did was we
built the wall uh up uh
approximately uh I think it's what did
he tell me 4 yeah up to 42 inches it has
it has a concrete cap on it to and then
we did away with that railing and uh so
that the only railing on the back is
going to be the actual one that that's
on the porch uh along with the handrails
and stuff coming down um other than that
I think it's sort of self-explanatory
right yes to to make it a focal make it
a focal point on the front door uh that
that that was the architect's idea and
uh and if you guys still want the stairs
in front you might advise me of a
divorce lawyer
she's not willing to give on that one
so a lot of
discussion it was fine I just want with
that we have some Street SLE that I
bring back up but we had already for
those of you that wer here we had talked
about that and the fact that even though
a lot of the homes to the would that be
nor
it is very close to Gad and it's close
to department of building so I think
it's
contextually and something I just
noticed again he's referencing asphalt
on the roof and I'm doing standing seam
metal um and that's I I've told him that
like five times and he's hasn't changed
that
note and that's on the house and the
garage okay all right we'll go to board
members then uh Mr Calhoun would you
like to go first
I will go first um I think the changes
that you made are very nice
um you did address the one area that I
had concern of from the last meeting
which was the railing itself on the
front
um I appreciate the fact that you have
the address nice and large on the on the
railing I think the fire department will
appreciate never have to come to your
house for any reason God forbid
um and as a self- deposed garage door
person I also appreciate that you put
the elevation of that in there I think
that will look really nice with the
house as well um I think it's fine thank
you uh thank you for your consideration
on on the comments um I the only
question I had and I think you've
already answered was about the the roof
I was wondering if it was standing seam
yes I know I want from day one that's
what I want I just think that is so cool
absolutely and I think it'll add to the
charm of that front um especially if the
railing in some way matches that
standing seam above it which is kind of
tied all nicely so I don't really have
any further
comments thank
you Mr
Hall yeah I was one of the ones that was
really hung up on the stairs coming up
the center of it but I I do appreciate
the uh the effort to to maybe look at it
a little bit differently my comment
about that though is I'm I'm not sure
that going to meet code it looks like if
I zoom in on it um there's some pretty
large openings oh I mean yeah we we'll
address that in the fabrication of it I
think you're going to want to think
about that a little bit more but that's
basic concept that he came up with and I
thought that was you know but yeah I
know yeah we what is it 4 inch I think
or it's like the largest I can be yeah
fair I'm just pointing that out it
depends on your final grade yeah little
higher below 30 inches you don't um and
then the leading up to it on the side
I'm pretty sure those are going to need
handrails hey plan on attaching it to
the house right there um so no he didn't
include that you're gonna need them on
both sides because you're gonna have an
open
Edge so I think they're required by code
so you may want to look at that also but
I think other than that just pay
attention to the details I do like the
idea of a metal roof on the house um I
think it's gonna look very nice actually
thank you yeah that's it Mr Scott
so I I highly recommend not doing a wood
Stringer for your front steps yeah I
want to do concrete is what I want to do
that's and I think all I have say is
work with staff on the exact final
details this is a gonna be a Concrete
Front Porch yes so you know obviously
that will hang over a little bit over
the brick and the just yeah it'll be
have a larger footprint on the roof
above it so it's just just the little
details that aren't being represented
here I'm I think it sounds like you're
on pop it up it just and then could you
go to the
rear 3D view or maybe even the elevation
will work I think it's the 3D view this
one right there so I think we talked
this is uh a change that we talked about
last time which is great I think that's
that's a better solution on all the
railings that you had I think all all we
had to do is increase it by 10 inches
basically to get it to be the height
from from the grade on the outside to to
cover that so can use into there so I
think it's you know how these columns
interact with the building and then how
they come down and how they sit right I
know that the model overhanging quite a
bit which I think is well there again
the port that porch will be poured also
and that'll just have to be coming
out and then if if you so chose you
could do a wood stair in your back
that's a little bit more appropriate but
I I would suggest you don't I think
concrete concrete's permanent as they
say yeah so I think I think just working
with staff on the final details I know
you're going to kind of add some little
nuances to these I think in the back
could be definitely the the back will be
the same as the front I don't know if
they have to be they can be definitely
simpler in the back if you um but just
other than that I think it's it's great
progress forward and that's all I have
to say thank
you and I have nothing additional to add
I think it looks lovely so
um again I'm not hearing any findings of
fact that there is anything that we need
to add
in the conditions of
approval now also let me note on the
driveway I haven't quite figured it out
but it probably it's not going to be a
straight the straight lines like that
there'll be probably be a little bit of
slope uh the thing was is I just paid to
have sidewalk and apron done last year
so I would like to keep that and then
just but basically just to do the offset
from where the apron is now to to the
house will be
in a landscaped Corner yeah so uh well
it won't just be straight lines going
straight back and
so right right yeah um yes this board
really just looks at the building um the
rest of the site will be part of uh
dream and public garden right yeah okay
so I got so I got to go back to my
landscape guy and have him change some
things and uh update some things with
changes
so all right is there anyone in the
public uh that would like to speak about
this
application seeing no one well
continue so when you're ready Matt just
yep I just want to add one more um
comment if I may yep um we have a as as
board members I think know we have a new
building card so um when you get permit
drawings and you submit for your
building permit on new builds we do
require elevation inspections so calling
an elevation inspection to make sure um
that you meet the elevation you show on
the drawings coming out of the ground I
gotta we and then we also have uh a
rough design uh review verification and
then a final and the rough should be
done by the inspector on the on the
initial rough framing before you enclose
the house make sure windows are where
they're supposed to be and all that good
stuff and the final will be all the
details and that'll be done by um our
staff architect Karen here okay might
and maybe me we went together okay so
thank you I just wanted to note that um
findings and facts and conclusions of
law for application ARB
24-26 the board finds that a certificate
of
appropriateness for a demolition of an
existing home and the construction of a
new replacement home should be issued
for the property located at 33 north
Gould um with the following
conditions
standing stairs the concrete or or other
but not wood
strainers
um and and that the um final landscap
and be approved by the tree public Gard
okay in in the column details and and
work with staff on column details yeah
that's you right your
staff
okay been long all
right okay do you understand the
findings effect as they have been read I
believe so ma'am okay is there a board
member that will make a
motion motion to approve
Hall a
second second p
Mr
Calhoun yes Mr Hall yes Mr Scott yes
Miss
basa yes madame chair Tony yes thank you
you are approved thank you very much all
right thank you
folks okay our next application is
number Bap
24-33 the address is 251 to 2511 East
Main Main Street the applicant is
Christine Farley the owner is CRV main
casting ham LLC and the applicant is
Seeking a recommendation for a
certificate of appropriateness for
changes to the exterior of the front of
the building and this application
um
was this application was approved at the
SE at the September bab meting with the
condition that it be remanded back to
ARB for final design review
and I'm actually Kim mechanic the
architect working with Christine Farley
she she couldn't be here tonight okay
well you work great so let's uh swear
you in
okay do you swear affirm the testimony
that you give this evening will be the
truth yes thank
you just by way of reminder this was one
of the we had
several we to um V without a
recommendation one way or the other
and um this because it's a Main Street
Building needed to be approved for
changes but then it was remanded right
back to us talk about the colors um when
when the application first came before
us it was a lot of black and whiteed
color sche on Main so today um the app
is back with each facade and the
building trim and panel colors yeah I
basically it's mainly repairing and
repainting the trim except for the Jimmy
johnes which
would get all the brick painted we can
do it however the board wants to we go
through you want to present each one the
you go through each one at time I don't
really know yeah I
mean okay through all the slides so
guess so so basically the Jimmy Johns
which is at the end and um we would
basically repaint all the brick with
that and I know the swatches on the PDFs
probably aren't as accurate but it'll
get it refreshed with that Chantell lace
color for all the brick on the front the
side and the back of the building then
update all the trim with the Benjamin
more um black and then that just goes
with the Jimmy John's logo and
everything um next
one okay that's
um redoing the trim will all be in black
with that and then in the on the base
and at that inset we're proposing to put
in that stone um the owner would like to
have the stone on that just on that
facade for that
one I think that's all there
yeah just so I just want to be clear so
you're going to
put on the bottom there under under the
just on the front or on all and going
back back into the recess yes sorry and
it's it'll be continuous through it
won't be in panels it'll it'll be the
it'll look like a continuous Stone base
yes
yes um and then the full height of that
back wall we'll also get the
stone okay thank you um here uh I'm
sorry
yes
that's we yeah we may have
to fix that trim it needs some repair
anyways but we'll make sure that it's
not sticking out beyond the trim we'll
make sure there's a seill that covers
that and okay it you know
you may have to widen that
widen or or perhaps even consider a
limestone
s and that's true too I gu we've been
jumping around so much we I have to
admit we haven't totally thought through
the that that still part it'll at least
be if the woods will definitely be
replaced we we may out look at the
Limestone we're with the stone we're
still trying to get samples and things
so that's why I haven't thought about
the s until we pick out what the
finishes
okay um and this is just we're painting
Ju Just obviously repairing that the
base under that one window um and just
try which is painting those two colors
for the trim that is the stone and the
brick are maintained and we also paint
underneath the the sopit
above and the sopit we'll get
that was it um Whirlpool code called
whirlpool and um let's
see trying to remember there's so many
of them which one is the
inset all right so the inset part will
be that sort of lilac color and then all
the rest of the TR will be that WHL pole
color and underside of the sopit
what are you repairing the bulkhead with
fly wood um spint board or just you know
just a finished grade wood that
underneath there yeah yeah we're just
replacing him with what it
was um Verizon
same same thing um will be paint ins set
that kind of putty color and then the
rest will
be that whirlpool and that that shares
the same sofit with the nail salon so
that'll be continuous across both store
above both
storefronts we'll be leaving lights
there and signage will stay in place
too um
So Great
Clips uh similar they're getting the the
on the trim they're getting the two
tones that I have adjacent to that upper
picture but the underside of the sfet is
going to be this darker midnight color
because that shares that sof it's shared
with the next when you see the next
picture um the place called The Li and
that picks up more their color
scheme this sopit up higher so this a
trim kind of I'm just trying to figure
out like how the paint Corner would be
well it's I mean I just the underside
the the horizontal is just getting that
color not and but what's coming vertical
up to it will
be the other colors that are proposed
okay and then the line is basically like
it's a two ton of the the black to do
two black shades all right one one more
question yes when you mentioned sopit
you mean the sopit where the can lights
are or the S under the 20 like where the
can lights are recessed into got
it what about this this board right here
that'll be the same as the um the trim
now you know because that's continu
that's continuous all the way down right
if you look go in front of that and um
great flips
slips so it almost says it wants to be
the same color it does yes I have to
admit I was so focused on the other side
I um I would suggest we we just turn
that up but I'm open
to if had any other thoughts on that
really yeah I mean I think I agree that
keeping it one but I do want keep I
think that needs to be yes continuous
whatever over those two whatever we is
chosen
and then the back side of the building
is just going to be that
um that Whirlpool color that we had in
the trim up front and then we'll just
trim the doors and
windows with that um Twilight Zone color
and that's just continuous through the
whole back except for Jimmy
Johns okay okay is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about this
application right seeing no one we'll go
to the board you want to start sure um I
appreciate you coming back with extra
information for us um and and specific
colors um I do believe it was really
two-tone last time so having a little
bit more color and individualizing each
of the businesses um is appreciated
um it's a little hard to visualize right
now as we're talking about things
especially if you're like well I don't
know if it's going to be that stone or I
don't know if it's going to be that
color so just a little bit more
um uh confidence in exactly what it
would be you know and it could be that
it's it's I mean right now I guess not
those are the Cs we've selected but if
anyone had thoughts I just I can't say
we're open to just you know obviously it
changed from the all black scheme to
this so
um you know I we tried to pick up sort
of what was you know had to do well it's
really only two that we see more open
here the Verizon and the nail salon that
we could feel sure those colors could go
whatever way honestly um we just tried
to pick up what was like with Verizon I
didn't want to you know just pick red
because Verizon has red in their logo
but right and the salon trying to pull
up it's kind of got tones of grades and
lilacs so that that was kind of how we
sure I I appreciate the clarification um
I mean I think for me it would just be
finishing up some details and staff can
can do that I think especially at that
stone veneer and how it ties in with the
sill um and and I have been trying to
get up samples for that which I'm happy
to bring in if um once I have them in
hand sure um those are my
comments I think so much is so
subjective yeah that's true personally
I'm the only one I was worried about
the
know well and I know honestly on that
slide it
looked it looked better if like from
where I was drawing it from and maybe I
have to maybe I need to revisit with
actual samples in hand hard to tell and
I think it's very subjective I just
really appreciate you breaking up
individual
yeah and I think just even for our own
peace of mind we're probably going to
look at this one more time just to make
sure you know standing there in person
that's I just had to go back out there
and just retake pictures of each and
everyone just because you're right just
looking at individually helped a lot
yeah is there a process where as they're
getting ready to do all this the stones
up and they're starting to paint where
you know they start to put some colors
up and I I would think you would
appreciate Karen coming out and looking
at it with you just to make sure that it
all work with yeah and you want to get
the biggest bang for your buck and we're
offering you free
consultation you know consultation with
sta knowing that it's all subjective
you're right it is subjective but we
also want to be a good team player with
the city so
that's if I sound hesitant on things I'm
just trying to keep an open door C could
I make a recommendation sure so I I love
the fact that you're breaking it up into
individual storefronts and that feeli I
think the issue that we're talking about
is you don't even know what it's all
going to look like together right you
don't I mean probably not I think we're
to seeing it the way it is right I don't
I have a pretty good mind of Capt ing
what it's going to look like I don't
know what it's all going to look like
right so what I would recommend is and
I've done this plenty of times take
elevation pictures all the way down the
entire front Stitch those together in
Photoshop and then Photoshop exactly
what you want where okay it is a really
fast simple way of letting you see what
it's going to look like you'll discover
something and be like um yeah I'm not
sure that's the right color and honestly
and that's I kind of start didn't quite
get as far as you're saying but I went
through and that's I was doing taking
pictures of all the storefronts just to
I had to break them up you know break
them up now it's time to put them back
together yeah what I um and the only
other thing I didn't is we're going to
pull down those travises on the
side that face the side street and we we
will be doing up just like I an up
liting on the building there
but no I I just want I'm just we had
talked about that we talked about I'm
just verbally confirming with you
um IDE is great done my
own each other and may change your mind
about certain things that's true I mean
and I think yeah we'll we'll do
that okay um let me go to the next
person then Mr hall right so if you can
go back to this I I have really I agree
with what everybody said I have just one
area that I have some concern with and
and and I think this is where the idea
of the individual storefronts needs to
be thought about a little bit
differently because the Great Clips and
the lion are tied together with that
that little roof piece that goes
acrossed and I noticed that you've
proposed that under the soft foit to use
this after midnight color and I'm just
thinking that maybe you explore the idea
of that after midnight colard not only
being underneath the suet and I
guess let me get back
here that's that's fine you're good um I
think you're proposing the after
midnight color also on in this area
right here too on the Y and yes yes so I
think it might be best just to take that
color and go straight across that that
little fascia piece that's on there too
and then you don't have two paint colors
trying to come together I did not want
especially that that roof piece I yeah I
want that to be a continuous color so I
I think that's The Simple Solution but I
think you do need to step back and look
at everything in in one picture and see
that's the only storefront where you've
taken two and you've you've tied them
together so
hopefully that that that it it stands
both of them still stand on their own
right with this things above still tying
them together um you know color-wise and
even um aesthetic wise architecture wise
profile wise yeah so ear that I think
I'm excited that is where the next to
the salon and the Verizon
they similar situation where they're
tied at the top then yeah agree same
thing should happen there I think it's
gonna look very nice be a nice upgrade
for the
center Mr Scott I have nothing to add um
I think it's great um I think you just
work with staff on the final
details works for me and I agree I think
if you work with Karen if you do the
Photoshop that's great but if you just
get to the point where you're starting
to paint I think having Karen come out
and help you tweak the colors will be
beneficially for everybody
so
um so are findings of
fact yes
I just have one question if I may um is
that the final sign on the worth
Capital um I don't believe so okay
that's be its own
separate great yeah great yeah I
I I'm not sure where they're at with
with that I think it's it's changed a
couple times and I don't I can speak for
where that's at right now okay great
because I know that's a separate
application and that application kind of
prompted this application and then we
Haven got back to that one I just want
to make sure we close that one out and
uh yeah and and I know I don't believe
they've submitted a final on that one
yet so I'll I'll talk with Christin and
see where where we're at great thank you
so this one is specifically for
color okay this
overdue the findings of fact fact and
conclusions of law for application bcap
24-29
the board finds that a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued
for the changes in the colors and stone
to the exterior of the front of the
building for the property located at 21-
2511 East Main
Street with the condition with the
recommended conditions that the final
colors and stone be approved by the
staff consultant
Mr cler I have that as Bap
24-33 and that's not the number that you
read yes I'm sorry that was a typo on
the agenda that's 24-33 is a different
application okay so it the one that you
read is correct correct correct 24-29 is
the correct application
okay I'm probably I I printed off the
other day when you sent it so if it got
changed in
between okay is there a a board member
that will make a motion
please motion to approve Hall and a
second second
panasa um Mr Scott yes Miss Bava yes Mr
Calhoun yes Mr Hall yes Madame chair
Tony yes thank you so much you are
approved thank
you okay our next application part of
new business is arb2
24-36 the address is 439 South drael the
applicant is Pete Foster the owner is
James and Lisa Holtz Muller the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a new front porch
and twostory infill addition on the west
elevation
you state your name Pete Foster do you
swear or affirm the testimony that you
give this evening will be the truth I do
thank you
thanks okay this application is before
the board for the first time um it um it
looks like a great application to me it
matches existing house um it does
get little confusing without notes on
the oh very pretty elevations so a
couple wanted to including
myself okay and Karen um when I turned I
don't know if you saw my email back to
you but I turned in a hard copy with
dimensions on it when I turned in the
packet originally I just didn't have a
scan of it and I didn't realize I didn't
have a scan I turned yeah the front
desk yeah so there should be an
elevation like this with handdrawn
dimensions and notes on it so
anyway I didn't realize I didn't have it
scanned so I apologize but it's
somewhere um so uh again it's pretty
pretty simple um solution here there is
currently a front porch um over the
existing front door um that
um measures approximately 10 feet wide
and its
width um
and and the streetcape uh on the east
side
there that's the back there you go um
and the idea is that we would then have
a standing steam metal roof on there we
have
round columns that are appropriate in
their size to meet classical Dimension
they'll be tusen in their
detailing
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um concrete
floor and no manipulation to any of the
existing windows on the um front living
room space that then would be um
happening sort of within the
porch um on the rear of the house which
would be the the west
elevation right now there's a covered
porch in the center between those two
gable pieces with an open porch above
and a real mess of
a few generations of roofs coming
together uh creating some pretty bad
downspout situations and leaks and Ice
dams so um excuse me so part of this
project is to renovate
the first floor in the kitchen area and
we are bumping the um first floor to the
West in order to create a new hall
within the house and we would have um
glass doors there on the first floor
with a really minimal uh canopy over
that with metal roof and then we're also
pushing the second floor out above that
in order to create a new laundry room
and a new bathroom or an extension of
the existing bathroom I should say
and raising that gutter line up to try
and alleviate some of the congestion
that happens with all the water that
comes together um at a common point so
we'll be able to clean up our our
downspout Solutions and our gutter
Heights um by taking this new
centerpiece up a little bit and again it
sits it sits back between these two
gable these two gable masses
okay is there anyone in the audience
that wants to speak about this
application not seeing anyone um Mr Hall
do you want to go
first right I think um I always love
your drawings your drawings are
fantastic um a couple things that I I
see maybe where maybe even you
potentially struggled with is is this
Edge right here um it I think that's a
really I think you've handled it well I
you know I was looking at this earlier
and I thought well you know it's it just
eruptible stops at the corner right it's
not it's not GBL or or anything along
those lines I do think that that needs
to be pulled in from that edge um it's
almost like you're um trying to align it
or it's popping out a little bit I can't
I can't tell from your drawing but I
think how that hits the how it hits the
existing structure is uh pretty
important um back there at that corner
and then um how these you know I like
the double columns I think that's that's
that kind of adds to this you know quite
a bit um so how that resolves itself and
how that sort of starts the to get into
the spacing of the columns on the side I
like the columns I think like the
classic just round smooth column um I do
like how you turn the corner I assume
this corner here there's three of them
sitting on the corner yeah I think that
plan yeah yeah um I think that's very
nice I um I think this this elevation
right here I think definitely has
resolved itself looks really good um and
I really don't have any problem with
this I think you've done a nice job
inserting that down in there especially
um with how you described I don't have
an appreciation for what's what's there
now but after you described what was
there I can only imagine um but that's
my my really only my only comment is
this Edge right here we can work on
pulling that back a little bit I
think that bay that exists currently on
the house on the East Elevation on the
front room um I want to keep that
centered yeah within that elevation and
so in order to do that but I can I can
look at maybe pulling it two inches each
Direction and maybe we end with four on
the four inches on the end yeah in order
to get that corner that corner a little
bit more exposed um again we're going to
have this cornice that turns back and
hits the house um and that metal roof's
going to stick over you know a little
bit uh in order to create that that sort
of shed sure triangular piece on the end
but um then might I do have one more
comment my other comment would be is on
the if you zoom
out is just on the end you know do we
should it really be metal turning down
on that edge or or should that be sort
of like that'll be Shake
um so um I mean it is just a you know
going back to the build you know house
so if if I think if that was material
that related more to the house sighting
I think yeah it should be shaked I don't
that's that's an error on my on my part
it looks like a previous option what
looks like you might have tried to look
like a looks like sing s right yeah no
that'll be sh was one of my questions
maybe was a previous option or change
but yeah yeah so you'll see a rake
you'll see a rake board with the same
rake details of the other Gables and
then you'll see a a wood shape within
the field there I think that would be
fabulous I think that's great that was
the intention
yeah Mr Scott that was that that was my
comment I was curious if it was a
previous version or started maybe as a
sty scene I think a discussion
graphically looks exactly the same as
your other discussion yeah so that's all
I think that's a clarification and and
I'm sure the detail will get worked out
yep my only other comment is similar to
the earlier previous pre the earlier
application that we went through last
month with a similar uh very nice
artistic rendering of a project uh it
sounds like plans were submitted paper
plans were submitted so I think I would
yeah I missed that email Al together so
officially we we made them come uh them
come back and present the cad drawings
or something with more substance on it
you have provided that to the city so I
would turn over my I mean they're
General I mean I guess maybe it's for a
different time but um there's a lot of
folks that we deal with and and my
schema design is all by hand right yeah
so there's a lot of folks that still
need pricing need approval and
everything before they want to go down
the path of detailed full detailed
drawing they brought CAD which is not a
requirement right right but at some
point in time too they're like well I
don't know if I want invest all this
time in dollars if we
aren't if we find out it's so expensive
right so as long as and again this is a
simple solution a simple scaled project
but as long as we're fine still I guess
I'm asking as long as you're fine with
pretty General Dimensions at this level
for approval I think it's so for us in
the city and having something that they
can point to as construction starts for
any project it's being able to say well
this was approved and this is what the
dimension was versus rendering which
then when it sometimes translates to
construction drawings may not be exact
and then or it's just lost in
translations so I think it's a process
of just trying to quantify what's being
approved at this board so that we have
some record of those General things
right it's not full CDs that's not what
we review so you I think we can easily
put this on record and and yeah when
especially if there payer version has
been submitted then we and when you
submit your drawings they're just like
this that they have dimensions
no but I think as a process for this
board in general it was is what we
talked about in general last time again
we don't need to get into details under
this application but uh we we have to
have some base standards so that we can
you know we can know what we're
approving and we can we can point to
that in the future to come back to so
you know scale drawings are great uh
Dimensions notes of what the materials
are and things like that is is the
things we're talking about now there's
applications there paperwork that
quantify that but so it's not just this
project it's not you know you
specifically so I have no objection to
the design at all and if additional
information has been approved I would be
okay with moving forward with the
contingency or the understanding that
there's an objection or something needs
to come back he would do that and he
would then re okay I have no it's
great no other comments thank you Mr
Khan uh no comments than what's been
discussed already I think it looks
fine um I want to know how many chairs
you can fit on that porch how many what
chairs you can fit on a that's a
fantastic porch um my only question was
uh on the front
elevation um the existing uh triple bay
window has that exterior it pushes out
currently I'm sorry the front bay window
yes I was just curious how because it
juts out the house how does that
translate to the ceiling height is it is
it that it'll be flush flush okay
correct perfect so the same Bay the
actual same Bay happens on the rear of
the house as well you can kind of see
but they've got a metal roof on that
yeah currently but we'll be flush
perfect okay that was my only question
we don't need Birds hanging out up above
no uh I think it's I think it's lovely
it's appropriate and I think um that
back glass experience is going to trans
form how they work and um use that back
half of the house
so uh my only questions were about the
finishes are you matching everything
with paint and and what about the roof
where you're adding that little section
is there roof being added as part of
that in the back that will be an asphalt
chingle Mass match existent and and you
know you can match existing yeah yeah
okay um that was all I had I I did see
this I had the same question about about
the roof line and whether that was
hipped or whatever but your explaination
that is great so okay um so I
am I said earlier
yeah okay so do we have findings of fact
so I keep doing this night if I may have
a couple
comments AB you guys touch on some
processed things so no longer are we
requiring a hard copy for ARB to be
delivered in the office I just changed
it yesterday so it's way after you
so I was Finding as I'm purging I'm just
throwing these things out we don't stamp
them for you know for building
construction it's you know so no more
hard copies in the office for ARB stuff
uh you still need one hard copy for
construction and then when you do submit
for a permit there is a zoning uh
requirement that I have to check that
it's all good thank you for sending this
average setbacks was great oh yeah um
and then Karen also does a design review
check against the construction drawings
so we'll compare that on this so just
wanted to throw it out
there okay okay so the only thing I
heard for finding is a fact was that the
um that
Southeast corner of the porch roof
right yes yeah and details match and
will be pulled in slightly off of the so
it's not sticking out beyond the
house
so yeah so
okay the findings of fact and
conclusions of law for application
number ARB
24-36 the board finds that a certificate
of
appropriateness
for a new front porch and two-story
infill Edition on the west elevation
should be issued for property located at
439 Drexel as recommended with the
conditions that the southeast corner of
the porch roof Ro
match and other details match the
existing that
correct yes that that that he's putting
shade on it and not the and not the
standing seam metal down the side yeah
the southeast corner of the porch roof
be Shake not standing sea metal
correct do you understand the findings
of fact as they right I do is there a
board member that will make a
motion motion to approve panova
second
Scott Mr
C yes Mr Hall yes Mr Scott yes Miss
panasa yes madame chair Tony yes you are
approved thank you very much thank
you okay our next application is ARB
24-39 the address is 806 Francis the
applicant is David green and the owner
is David Green the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a con
for a conversion of a rear porch to an
enclosed
kitchen um I just want to state that I
was not able to really read these
drawings um they are a scan of a
handrawn um drawing which is not the
problem but I really struggled because
the background of that
drawing is so garbled that I I really
struggled to even read um the drawings
that were
presented and I know that Karen um
contacted you and asked you for a better
scan of it I did submit another one yeah
it's exactly the same it came out
exactly nobody gives me any advanced
warning on this they said it was okay
until the day before and then that you
know and I said well if it's not okay
tell me nobody told me anything so you
know I I can change
it but I didn't look at my email so well
that's not the city's um issue so the
city has to notify me appropriately
before I can do anything yes sir email
is an appropriate notification I mean c
can you read that yeah I drew it I know
exactly what okay now I darkened it up
because the original one I thought was
too light now if that's too dark I can
light
that but I can redraw the whole thing if
that's what you
want what how did the other board
members feel were you able to evaluate
this if if you all were able to read it
and want to proceed with it I'm fine
but I feel like as a as a board when you
sit down in in the evenings after work
and you have to evaluate 12 15
applications
when you come across things like this
it's very frustrating um and very hard
to review
so um you should be able to go on and
see what these scans look like and and
and know I can you look at these if you
want well I can't do that now we're in
the middle of a meeting those would have
had to be if you can't scan them in and
you need Karen to scan them in or or
they need to be redrawn on something
that doesn't have a garbled background
um we can help you with that but trying
to evaluate drawings that are so messy
is very difficult so I would ask that
this application be tabled till next
month where we can get drawings that we
can review I would ask that you give me
timely
warning well sir I get these drawings on
Monday morning and I'm I'm evaluating
them in the evening on Tuesday night I
told Karen Tuesday night by 10:30 at
night when I finished that I could not
read these I believe she sent you
something Wednesday morning and I sent
you
something I sent you a a revised version
okay and the revised is this the
original one I sent
you the revised is no
better okay well that that's not the
original one I sent
you anyway I can do it again if you want
okay so I would ask that we table this
application till next month and if you
could give us um drawings that are a
little e easier to read that would be
and is there a uh list of uh
required
details required you know you need a
front elevation side elevation a top
view you know whatever yes there is a
list but you Al you just basically need
to convey what the project entails so if
you're not sure what you need to be
drawing um Karen can yeah work with
staff she can guide you on that Karen
can guide you on that
all right um do I have to submit another
fee no no nope so we are we will um is
there a board member that will make a
motion to table this till next month so
move
Scott and someone that will second
it second
calendar so we are asking that you will
be tabled to the
November I'm finding the date it will be
November 14th
meeting sorry yeah my
notes Miss penosa yes Mr Hall yes Mr
calan yes Mr Scott yes Madam chair Tony
yes thank you sir we will see you back
in
November okay the next application is
Bab
24-37 the address is 2775 Powell the
applicant is Brian she Brian and Katie
Shepard the applicant is Seeking a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for a certificate of
appropriateness to add a new garage
constructed three feet off the backyard
property
line hi hi good morning good morning
it's evening you can you state your name
and Mr Kingler will swear you in yes
Katie Shepard
do you swear affirm the testimony that
you give this evening will be the truth
I do thank you it's me okay this
application is before the board for the
first time um it is a recommendation to
the board of Zing beginning um I have a
few issues with it in
that uh this board is not in charge of
the variance are in charge of the
architecture but they other and I'm
concerned about the height of the garage
for garaging the ridge limit is um 18
and we don't go to the middle of the
roof line in on for garages it's a ridg
line requirement of 18 ft or lower and
an e requirement of 9 ft or lower so
this is really in fact a lot more than
the 18 feet
if so um now that's not to say that this
form wouldn't support something like
that but for something like that I
really would recommend that you come
back with drawings that show a section
in elevations compared to the existing
home um there have been exceptions to
those kind of um code requirements of
18t very few and far between but if you
have an un usually you know High deep
pitch on your primary structure and it
makes sense but we really need to look
at that in the context
of the primary stru okay now having said
that I'm saying to the bo now you can if
you would like go ahead and as we did
last month send this to beap without a
recommendation to see before they go
through a whole bunch more design
exercise if the zoning if the board of
zoning tolerant this
many
um that would be my recommendation
because
to take time have somebody draw section
and Elations of the house contextually
with theage see how it all fits together
and if the height variances area the
Varan you're looking for create
arure
and with the that
back
VAR what are the other the other two
variances besides the height I'm defer
to but I think well the two the two that
I can tell you right away are the eve
the eve needs to be 9 feet or lower and
the ridge line can only top out of
18 but in this drawing I see the Eve is
e
11 right here that's not the Eve that's
second
floor so I think it might be only be
one in
of those two
yeah for the second floor I think there
was I don't think so but we're still
we're still working through that
so we measure we measure the floor the
the footprint of the first floor so
basically inside wall to inside wall
they're showing 22 by 22 outside to
outside 22 by 24 so if I I scaled this
um
but when you scale this it becomes like
501 or something lower and then we do
consider this I'm like getting feedback
here the the the stairs to be part of
the first floor footprint but the stairs
do not apply to living space or finished
floor area on the Upper Floor so if you
go to the second one and you scale it
out right there it's like
261 square feet versus they show
303 um so we're working through that
second variance
um the variance that I have the most
concerned about
architecturally
is well so my my other question was
about we're saying that it's wants to be
three feet off of the backyard property
line is the um
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normal doesn't need a variance then
three feet off the property line does
not need a variance okay that's
perfectly my biggest concern is the
original okay because what you're really
talking about
is we have 18 just to where what is the
overall height of it I I couldn't find a
236 half feet above so if we
we we bring it back down um oh well we
need a garage that's
embarrassing those photos
um if we bring it back
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down go ahead please if we if we bring
the ridgel line back
down with you're saying it's 18 feet
that's the code okay
okay so we wouldn't NE if we were able
to get the Bap to approve it then would
we have to come back here after that
okay is there a way to like go ahead and
get through that process or get any
feedback on our design so that we can
make those revisions along with making
the height revision so we can come back
all at
once table it getting feedback for this
from this board now tbling it coming
back here and then
going
okay which is probably the process
anyway because we've got a few changes
that we would ask you to make anyway so
but that lets you go to B app in between
time so it makes the process shorter
okay so you can give me feedback now
then like on the rest of it okay course
not sure all processes to not have any
discussion okay I just think you're
going to come up with a positive
recommendation based on what you've
submitted here I could be wrong it's not
I don't have a vote on staff yeah but we
can open it up I'll be quiet now any
feedback is great yeah yeah we're open
to changes is there anyone in the
audience that wants to speak about this
application we will start with Mr
scoten so yeah so the the proportion of
the and again this is an elevation but
this is what we work in uh the
proportion of this seems way too big and
I know why you're doing it because
you're trying to maximize your ceiling
height um but so the height of this to
the height of that with this being so
tall in the garage land really makes
kind of a a domineering kind of garage
in in these alleys that we have uh so
that's why we have the city restricts
the height of the the ridge but I also
look at this and I you know this Dormer
and the proportion of that with the the
smaller Dormer over the door it just
feels
misproportioned and I think if thege if
the ridge dropped you know you have the
opportunity because in your floor plan
you're you're it looks like you might be
able to increase your second floor plan
square footage based on a calculation
that would end here not include this if
this number might be higher than what
Matt's coming up with we don't know he's
he's scaling a drawing that that allows
you to move this wall down and gives you
more this typee of a space if you go
back to the elevations you'll see plenty
of instances in Bexley where this this
wall that's here would be come up here
and go all the way across and become a a
shed Dormer with multiple windows in it
and it gives you a lot more height but
you're able to lower that ceiling down
um The Ridge and uh again you're
balancing structure massing and interior
square footage but that that could be an
option that to explore uh to help kind
of soften this the facade now there's
argument of you know do you have space
to do it on the other side and then you
know I see that in beex a lot where they
do it on both sides you don't have to of
course um so other than that I think you
know the existing house is a wonderful
home I think you're trying to pick up
those details uh and scale of those
boards I think the boards on the the
battens or the the details on the
existing house seem wider but I think in
the scale of this uh this structure may
be more appropriate this take those down
so I would maybe look at that a little
bit but other than the roof uh and the
kind of proportion of of this uh in
relationship to this this guy and the
opportunity I think you have to really
kind of gain some square footage by
changing the the Dormer um and and doing
more of a long shed across that roof may
give you more light up in the second
floor more floor space um and kind of
balance out the overall facade
yeah I think that might look
cooler I mean I think there's a charm
here I think it's just a little if if
the ridge line came down I think you
have a a nice balanced scale of the of
the of the building there's some charm
there I think there's a little bit this
looks a little large and this is the
largest window right these are much
these are smaller so this thing
dominates the the facade so I think you
you pay you have to pay special
attention to the scale of that window in
relationship to the others and the
overall Mass yeah but if you you open
this and lift this this wall up
interrupting this this e because it's
allowed to be broken um and then you do
a shed roof here then you know you can
have multiple windows there to to bring
that bring that light in uh but also
helps balance the overall Mass so I
think it's close I think it's just the
roof line the ridge Line's thrown it off
we did originally have it larger to be
honest and but it felt like it was
interrupting or like impeding with the
um side entrance there a little Portico
I guess maybe yeah maybe you look at the
the need for that or how that might be
you know I know there obviously having a
cover covering over your door is
important um but it's not typical in
it's it's a little unique so again it
doesn't mean you can't do it I just
could be a smaller scale I wouldn't hold
on to it too much or if you depending on
how far out you're able to do this new
Dormer maybe there's a different type of
structure that's over that dor so I
think
should explore your options
yeah thank you there are plenty of
examples of garages basally that have
I've been looking
yes very
popular thank you
Scott I'm sorry Mr
Hall sound like
me um I agree with everything Pete just
laid out a couple things that I would
just like to point out is that your
existing house is beautiful beautiful
and on the outside the tutor with the
stone and everything and I would look to
that for some additional influence um
with the way you've got the boards laid
out here on the stucco and everything
they on your existing house they're much
smaller areas there's some cross boards
coming in I think that would help break
that elevation up quite a bit and and
make it relate to the existing house
quite a bit too um the stone Wes coating
only being on this one elevation I think
probably should explore taking it all
the way around the building because uh
when you get to these Corners it's it's
how do you stop that stone with the trim
boards and everything and what is that
detail what does that mean um and then
on this elevation with the boards and
everything how can you maybe break that
up a little bit um the windows I I would
advise you to go back you know with the
shed Dormer I think that's going to help
out quite a bit but you know look at the
size of the
windows um you know these you know these
heads should you know probably line up
all the way across and then um that
would push this way this way's coat
looks out of proportion to me um with
everything that's going on too so I
think once you go back and you sort of
understand the heights that you're
working it with I think that's going to
help give you a better idea what the
prop what proportions you're working
with then that will help translate into
the window openings the door openings
and then how you start to break up some
of those wide expanses of Stucco I think
that that's um you're going to have to
do the same trick they did on your
existing house to to to break down those
large areas of of Stucker that's on
there and that's it so I have thank
you okay
all right um so I for me and I agree
with everything that's being said right
now for me um I question if this
necessarily needs to be that High um it
really kind of I feel like it's too tall
for the door the size of the door so um
instead of a Gable I wonder if maybe the
roof line kind of comes down and it's
it's more of a continuation of the roof
um that kind of gives it more of a
structure also uh it looks to me like
the columns here are the same proportion
as the trim and they're just so tall and
lengthy so if this came down and it's
more of a shed but it actually came down
lower to give you a actual covering and
and actual protection about at that door
and then you beefed up these columns
that actually had some detail at the top
and bottom I think it would make it feel
more
proportionate uh and really Charming um
as as a ENT tree uh in and out this is
the corner that you'll see most along
along the alley right so I just feel
like this will compete with the rest of
the the structure especially since on
the garage door you're already doing
something very similar so um you scoot
to the other
elevation it's it's hard yeah you can
see it here like how much bigger this is
relative to how you're doing this little
shed um I don't think it needs to match
materially here especially if this is a
continuation that that uh comes down it
could still be asphalt um but I do feel
like softening that height it won't
scream so you know disproportionately to
the rest of the faade um and I I do
agree the the height of the stone
consider lowering that sill a little bit
lower oh lowering the stone um just the
top of it I it just feels really high uh
can we go back up to
the so I don't know what height this is
but it almost wants to be you know about
that
height um and if if cost is an issue for
turning it and going all the way around
the building um look to your house
because they they've terminated it with
you know there are ways that you can do
it in that
way between Stone and under your windows
I think the existing house does give a
lot of cues that you guys that's
absolutely those are my
comments Mr
calhon I'm lucky enough that everything
I was going to say has already been said
so no
comments awesome and I too um agree with
everything that's been said uh and I I
would like to say that there is a reason
why you are um trying to get a variance
to get something this high it's because
things that are deide don't feel good in
Bexley we have a few garages that have
been built over 20 feet especially when
you're three feet off the lot line it
feels like you are towering over your
neighbor's property so um I would hope
that between good architecture and and
Bap that this ends up being down around
18 feet so with it being 18t does that
only give you an 8ot ceiling then or is
it really seven well what you end up
with is side walls angled and then flat
so you you have they end up with being
really Charming spaces
yeah
yeah it is a matter of I mean it's a
matter of inches six inches here some
head height loss slope normer help break
bringing that that raising that up to
help more head height is all those
tricks together make these spaces work
and they work well yeah just it just has
to be work but literally we have a bunch
of garages that have been built lately
that all are trying to achieve what you
are and Karen can literally show you
exactly dimensions of how you can make
that work and get it in under 18 feet
and then you won't have to have a
variance and I think the fixes here are
easy I can sit down with you and just
with a P with a marker in one session
and show you exactly what to do I mean I
I would it's your choice but I would
guide you to table this and come back
next month to this board and you're not
gonna save yourself any I don't see how
you're
gonna take this to the app with as many
changes that need to be made I would
table I have a I have a question if if
we vote now to remand it to be app but
that it needs to come back and if in the
meantime she gets a change so that it
doesn't have to go to B app she just
comes back to us anyway right yeah it's
just complicated because you're going to
make a lot of changes to this it doesn't
mean you're going to have less usable
space I don't want you to think we're
trying to you know take that away from
you but it's GNA be hard for us to
figure out what she's even asking for at
be app in the time in the two weeks
between now and then so you have a lot
of work to do in order to go to be app
with with the recommendation from here
that then it comes back either way
you're going to be coming back when's
the bitt D um it's technically
already already week before one week so
that's finish but do we am I
understanding that we just have to
correct the height to go to beap it's
not
architectural yes but there needs to be
changes
Ino and the knee wall which isn't really
a knee wall but lower it and doesn't
care about any of that we care about
that but all those things may change
what we Matt and I have to figure out
the
Varian it's not going to be anything
like this so you you have to have it a
little bit you have a little bit less
than a week because then we have to have
trying to figure out what the new
variances are to ask or she might solve
it and not have a single variance well
that's what I'm hoping for and then
we'll see you next month there's a yeah
either way we're seeing you next month
unless these that you and then you have
to start
up she's got a setback on the back she's
pushing the three foot to the rear
property line foot is minimum oh that is
okay can we get no foot can we build on
the property line that's that's what I
talk to Brian about that that would be a
variance that would be a variance but we
can is that doable on the back because
we all thought it was five on the back
and three on the side it's three okay
accessory structure
structure rear the rear set yard the
rear yard setback is the primary
structure okay okay is that something
that's doable there's a
lot I think I have to come back that's
what I know either way you're coming
back yeah but you're gonna want to see
the design yeah I thought if we let if
we remanded it to beap and in the
meantime she got it change and and
called you next week and said I don't
want to go to beap you can still come
back to us but if we just table you can
she still go to B
app no let's let's I mean
my need a recommendation the thing is
she would have to table we cannot table
to be correct she could she request and
it would go
to I don't know I guess you would just
move it to be that because I I don't
feel like anybody's comfortable
recommending
okay but let me ask you this if if you
take this to Bap and they vote
no you're done with this you have to do
you have to do a whole new application
new fee new fee it's a fee so maybe you
are better off to
just draw it get the roof line
down and and then and then when we make
the the recommendation to be app whether
we are approving it or telling you to
come back to us at least if you're
closer you you got a chance of getting
your variance or it may just be that you
end up having an ARB application then
you take care of all those need any of
those right which I'm feeling like just
looking at it that's pretty possible
that's what I'm thinking
too you do a shed roof instead of a gmer
like that like you can get a lot of
interior space
yeah it's just a poker room anyways so
just just what are you say
yeah just yeah you'll be there
yeah yeah I got some great ideas tonight
so either way it's coming back to us
next month hopefully and I think if you
work out the details and they everything
gets worked out in the next week or so
you may not need to go to Bap and we'll
just see you next month so what is the
um square footage
maximum that you're allowed to have
without getting a
variance I can take that one
um so so it looks at it two different
ways um the maximum building footprint
and that's what you gave me on the first
floor you went outside outside that's
the building footprint the maximum could
be 624 Square ft for your lot size it's
not based on zoning District it's based
on lot size um the maximum Building
height is 18t the maximum Eve height is
N9 feet and then this is where it gets
different the maximum finished accessory
structure attic floor area so the floor
area we don't include the stairs in the
Finish area to base floor plate ratio so
the inside of your so it's not outside
outside it's inside is 50% so the
the upstairs finish floor area can be
50% of the maximum inside so
312 um go back and look see what
your inside wall to wall of the first
floor
was um you said it was 624 was oh the
max well is only 528 get bigger because
it's 22 by 24 right and that that's some
work okay no problem
right you toow it's
58 to I think we're talking about a
whole different plan here and I I don't
think it's probably appropriate to do it
right no problem you call me tomorrow
ton I'm not gonna call
you
okay
okay I think it's f a table it and just
come back and make the revisions and
yeah and then if we need to go to if we
fall in love we can go to
be yeah maybe not at all and when we
send it on with a recommendation because
we agree with what's going on that that
can help you
okay she I don't think she's gonna need
one I don't think she's gonna need the
variance but so that's my guess so you
scale inside to inside walls inside your
W that's the base floor plate area
that's 501 51 s ft so right now as it's
drawn yes you would need a 10 square
foot area variance because okay right
yes and we will be making that larger
square footage with the shed Dormer so
we probably will need to go to
beab that's fine yeah there's other
people
sorry work with them okay they'll get
sounds
good okay so are you asking us to table
to next month that's fine yes okay is
there a board member that will make a
motion so moved
Scott second
Calhoun findings in fact and conclusions
of law for application bcap
24-37 um the applicant oh for the
property located at 2775 pal Avenue the
applicant has requested to table the
application uh to the
November
14th 2024 ARB
meeting is that good that's great
okay awesome thank you can you call the
role M yeah uh Mr Scott yes Mr Hall yes
Miss pinosa yes Mr C yes and Madam chony
yes thank you we'll see you back in a
mon
okay um
our last
application
is part of other business it's
application ma 24-1 188 the address is
258 North Park viw and the applicant Is
mu and Company
Roofing uh Michaela Upchurch the owner
is Matthew birkhold and the applicant is
seeking architecture review and approval
and a certificate of appropriate to
replace a shake roof with asphalt
is the F
present
really what you neither one of
you oh okay thought you may be Matthew
burkel
okay that when we just vote to table
till next month
mhm to the it's I mean pushes next mon
pushes
okay we have one more applicant do we
have one more applicant I um my business
partner when I was handling all this and
I with and I a foury old I think I
missed when you guys maybe approved
261 Bri Road oh you you were approved
okay that's why I figured but I hadn't
sat in one of these for a while and so
it was just we love that she sat and
watched this also um it's been years
since I sat in the beex review and I
don't mean to offense if any of you were
on the board many many years ago but
this was like a much Lovelier experience
so not that there was anything wrong for
it but it was just like the way you guys
were working with everyone and there
just was like a lot more yeah so I I
don't know if that's good feedback or
anything but it was really enjoyable to
sit through thank you yeah you're
approved everybody know though actually
this was kind a nice break from
everything else going on so thanks
thanks for spending the time
you are we done wait we have one more
item that Matt would like to talk do we
do we adjourn first before we discuss
this okay the last that we have on here
is about agenda changes Matt having the
experience of being on city council and
understanding how different agendas work
differently has suggest changes but I
instead of doing in last month we wanted
to
by may not
way
but yeah sure I did uh have a chance to
talk with the mayor about this um
beforehand and he um was wholeheartedly
in agreement with the um with the
suggested changes with the with the
caveat and I'll get to that in a minute
so I find that um if if a if an I I
would propose if an application has been
um asked to be remanded back to you or
it's been tabled at all um we move it to
the end in order to give the new
applications um they've already had kind
of their turn in front of you um give
the new applications the first order of
business and then we do table at the end
because some you know sometimes um we
don't even get to table they're not here
or it might P another month that's the
reason we would do it at Council um but
that's the way we're r at Council I just
propose it to you it seems a little it's
to me it seems a little more fair for
the new applications to be heard first
and the mayor added the caveat that um
first
um applications with uh special public
interest uh be um allowed to go first at
the um direction of the
chair so like when we have we know you
know all the chairs set up in the you
know uh and so is that is that something
you're saying would be like a game time
call where you start to see we're
getting a bunch of people or is that
something that we see coming and so we
just make put it on the agenda that way
you know I think I think we have a good
Fe feel we know the we know we know the
ones you know so that you know Karen and
I can talk about that certainly with you
all and we send out the agenda and you
guys approve the agenda but just a
suggestion um as I was looking at
process improvements I those special
Public public
interest um you just move it would be at
your Direction you don't label them any
different you just put them at the at
the front yeah you just put them as
number one on the
and we we kind of eliminate the old
business um and you just have new
business and
tabled tabled
items I mean I don't feel bad about that
because if you were before us before and
you did everything the way we asked you
get put on consent and you don't have to
sit through the meeting anyway so the
only tabled applications that we're
really sitting through are the ones that
come back and they still have problems
so I don't know how do you all feel
about that
okay I think we're good with
it well and I think there's been times
when there was a special interest
project or like the neural project that
they sat through four hours of
meeting 10 minute presentation I would
think those should go first uh because
it's you know it's it's just courteous
that we don't know how long late the
night's Gonna
Get You know there're just unless they
want to sit and listen to us like some
people appeared to thank
you that to me just makes sense right
again I think that's at the discretion
of the chair yeah I'm fine with it okay
great okay that's all I have thank you
so
much okay we are adjourned