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the August 8th 20 24 Bexley
Architectural Review board meeting and
the first uh thing is to um call the
role Mr Clinger can you call the
rooll yes ma'am Mr Calhoun here Miss
Jones here Madame chair Tony here Mr
Scott
here okay next item uh is approval of
minutes we have I think three different
meetings that we were approving minutes
for
for did everyone get a chance to review
all three
meetings right it
was there was July I I know I reviewed
three and so yeah it would be July June
and may
right can we do that all as one vote
yeah is there a board member that will
make a motion to approve all three
meetings or does anybody have any
comments about changes
so moved
Scott second
Jones Mr cler will call the
role Miss Jones yes Mr coun yes Mr Scott
yes Madam Cher Tony
yes okay so uh this is the time in the
meeting for a public comment if there is
anyone in the audience that would like
to talk about something that is not on
the agenda tonight
um you can raise your
hand and you have something that's not
on the agenda tonight
okay all right seeing nothing uh for
public comment we will go to um our
consent agenda so we are four items on
our consent agenda that all board
members reviewed um we did have a few
changes that we asked the applicants to
make and Karen has said that they have
agreed to do them so the first
application on this consent agenda is
arb2 24-21 the address is 2607 Sherwood
the applicant is Ari Newman and the
owner is Ari Newman the second one is
application arb2 24-24 the address is
2554 East Livingston and the applicant
is Suncraft Corporation Incorporated
James Knox and the owner is Dean and
Rachel
Gorsuch the third item on our consent
agenda is is arb2
24-27 the address is 60 North Ardmore
the applicant is lame Amy lowerhouse and
the owner is Nate
beer and the last item is application
number Bap 24-29 the address is 20110
East Broad Street the applicant is
William H the owner is St Charles
preparatory school so we have um
basically all agreed that those
applications with um some minor tweaks
are approved to move forward is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about any of those
applications okay seeing none then we
can take one vote um and approve all
four of those applications is there a
board member that will make a
motion so moved
Jones second
Scott and Mr Kingler will call the role
Mr Scott yes misss Jones yes Mr Calhoun
yes madame Cher Tony
yes okay so those four applications are
approved so that takes us to new
business our first application is arb2
24-26 the address is 33 north gold the
applicant is Paul uh cult
nicker and the owner is Paul C Necker
the applicant is seeking architecture
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a demolition of an
existing home and the construction of a
new replacement home is the applicant
present if you want to please come
forward um Mr Clinger will swear you
in and Karen will give us some
background yes you can just uh push the
button on the microphone please do you
swear or affirm that testimony you give
this evening will be the truth yes I do
okay so I first want to give a little
general background as we um
have developed a demolition ordinance
which does not in any way have a
moratorium on demolition but gives very
strict guidelines as to how to walk
through the process we've had it for
quite a few years and you know we live
anecdotally and as cases have come
through we've tried to hone the process
so you're the lucky recipients of the
first what we are now going to have for
every single demolition which is a
administrative and preliminary
demolition review so when a case is
coming before us for demolition so that
the board and the applicant and staff
are all on the same page about what
kinds of documents or investigations or
analysis we want done we can have kind
of an informal administrative
conversation today that's the point we
can take this as far or not as the board
members want to but presumably you'd had
a chance to look through their
documentation in the project and can say
here um in a public forum you know we
want a structural report you know no we
don't need one because the house really
you know we don't feel like it's going
to be architecturally you know
significant or historically significant
it's it's a very informal conversation
we can ask questions we could move it
further if we want we can discuss
however you want to do it was noticed um
but we thought it would be a really
great idea to have a administrative
hearing for all demolitions from this
point forward and so that's what this
meeting is that's what this meeting is
yes now this applicant has a lot of
stuff so um they're very prepared you
know if you'd like to take the
discussion further that's perfectly fine
um and if you you as a board would just
like to lay out kind of do you want me
as staff to get another outside opinion
architecturally structurally it doesn't
really matter anything electrically
whatever you know at the city's expense
so um it's our opportunity to to talk
through those kind of issues so that we
don't get into situations that we've
been in where we're not we're we're
running behind the applicants
information right does that make sense
can I ask a question um Miss foker of
the normal list of things that we
require um you know to be done um one is
like you know a letter someone stating
that they don't believe that the
architecture is significant how much of
that original list has been checked off
by the
city through this application there's
not unless I missed it there's not a an
outside architect now this we have
before had applications that this board
finds that they are so not
architecturally significant on your
expertise that maybe we don't need to
get that that's why we're having this
meeting um because the because we have a
checklist doesn't necessarily mean that
everything on that checklist has to be
completed at the discretion of this
board does that make sense yeah yeah
we've had we've had them before that you
know just so bad that it's it's okay so
um you know I don't know where this will
fall in that I'm not trying to impose my
opinion you know um show my cards here
but
um uh no this might be one of those but
I'd like for you guys to discuss that
and based on your review of the
information I just was curious you know
if we had 10 things have they given
eight you know like they've given a lot
yeah a lot a lot there's a landscape
there's um ex a lot plan there's the
site plan there's pictures I mean you
guys I can pull up anything you want if
um no you may not have seen it yet but
there's even an updated um uh new build
packet because I have I've sat down with
the applicant and went over some things
that I thought were not good about or
you know could be better I should say
that could be better about the new build
things like consistent sighting these
are the things you'll see on the new
packet things like consistent sighting
they had kind of vertical and horizontal
it in to me illogical places um uh
details on columns that kind of thing
we've gone over and they were very
responsive and got a new plan set in um
within a few days and that is now in the
packet I think did you send it yesterday
or last night so it was just put on this
morning I think um but it's definitely
on the website okay I think it'd be
really helpful for you to kind of
present your project talk about the
existing house why you're tearing it
down and then present what you're want
to replace it with I feel like that
would be helpful for all of us to hear
it from you so sure sure okay uh in my
letter so if you read my letter it'll be
sort of regurgitating but uh This House
was built by um Joe Alexander who if
anybody's been around here long enough
to know what the desert in was was
Ultimate like Supper Club on you side
here uh Joe had that he procured land
out by Town and Country back in
1950 he proceeded to build the supper
club and they they uh needed a place to
live and he wanted to be someplace
closer to observe it is my speculation
mind you that a lot of the materials
that was used to build this house were
either Surplus or diverted uh uh
materials from the building of the of
the restaurant yes um and is basically
he was a hardworking guy my
understanding is he'd be at the
restaurant from 9:00 in the morning till
about midnight every day and so all this
was was a place for him and his wife to
come and sleep um the they did
absolutely no improvements to the house
in the time period that they own it I
purchased it in 2003 uh after Bernice
his wife uh is uh deceased she had been
living in a assisted living place for
three years uh my understanding was
there's there's two brothers uh one
wanted to sell the place as soon as she
went to the assisted living and the
other brother said no as long as mom has
the belief that she might come home
someday then you know we're going to to
maint we're going to keep the house well
they really didn't do again they didn't
do anything um the uh uh again no
there's no architectural I I could build
a fort when I was 16 about the
equivalent of this house everything was
done with Lumber uh sized Lumber uh to
prevent having to cut it or produce
waste um the uh so I've had it for 20
years um I've done some improvements on
the side upgrades I had to upgrade the
electrical system when I bought the
house because it still had a fuse panel
and I could not get insurance at the
time to to insure the house uh I had
that upgraded and things and as I sort
of evolved uh well after two years of
Ving the house my grand my father died
and I sort of became mom's caregiver and
uh so that that took me away from it
from doing a lot and finally well my mom
just passed in January and sort of
knowing the end was coming near I was
like I really have to do something with
this house cut
I got to sell her house and I'm going to
be homeless uh so um the uh so we
started looking at and I I I started
looking at replacing the roof and that
just brings on so many gations because
it's it's a flat roof but it's just got
just enough pitch to it that and again
the ceiling is just nailed to the bottom
of the uh Rafters so the the ceiling
inside the house is pitched and so I'm
like going like Okay so so to do to put
a gabled roof on I mean I just just and
I was like you know I'm going to put I
could put $200,000 into this place and
I'm still just gonna have a
turd so uh so my plan and so it's it's
on a crawl space which has had a uh huge
I did not know this for the first year I
lived there had a gross uh water table
flooding anytime it would rain
moderately the groundwater came up
through the whole crawl space and they
had put plastic over the soil down below
so what would happen is the water level
would go down and I'd have ponds of
water sitting there for about 30 days
till it finally would migrate out and
things so that's one of the improvements
I did I went down I I took out 35 bags
of trash of old insulation and
everything put in a sump pit put in a
French drain system leveled the dirt put
30 tons of gravel in there and uh that
had and then they redid the water line
on Merkel and that took a lot of took
care of a lot of the gross flooding but
it's I think there's there's potentially
there's a lot of mold in this house just
because it this problem had to be going
on for decades so uh so yeah so my
suggestion was hey honey let's build
something one that we would like to uh
it it is definitely going to be a
improvement over this and uh who knows
maybe we can start taking all those
rental properties down the the street
from the back can become homeowners
again uh the couple that just bought to
the south of us at Long Ranch they're
very very nice couple uh and so that was
sort of my my
case any questions or awesome thank you
um we'll just go straight to board
members is there a board member that
would like to go
first Mr
Scott uh I have no objections uh on the
demolition of the property um
it is appears from I obviously have not
been inside but it appears from the
outside it's it's in dire need of and I
don't believe it has any architectural
significance um so I'm gonna I'm gonna
move on to the unless we need to do that
first no I mean I I think this is pretty
informal or maybe we should get
everybody's opinion on the Demo First
okay because if if everyone like across
the board thinks that this demo is just
a non-issue which is why I didn't push
an outside architect because you you did
comp
this is a pretty good letter um but if
the board feels like there's just not a
discussion to be had then we can move on
to the new build I have no objection to
the Depo thank
you I I agree entirely I you know
looking through the existing photos and
the P um the package you guys have put
together in keeping with you know the
historical non-significance of the house
I I have no
objections
thank
agree I will say I I run past this
street all the time and I've always I've
seen this house and thought oh man I bet
one day that was a cool house because I
I like some of the design that's going
on but I I've thought a number of times
like oh man I would yes exactly oh by
the way this is my wife Lori we just
Cate our first year anniversary so
that's another reason we we is driving
this also so we have a place that we can
call our own
so um I I did quick drive by and I can
see the house is in dire um condition so
um and I don't see any uh significance
of it architecturally so I also have no
problem with a demolition so so we can
move on to the what will yeah yeah so
just to for the audience and for your
knowledge like the the the first step in
a demolition is to identify whether or
not it is architecturally or
historically significant and if it is
then we go through a whole bunch of
other stuff that you don't need to now
sure and we don't need to vote on the
demo because it is we don't no the demo
is granted as we approve the new build
and it's not granted until we approved
then absolutely right okay so we can
given the opinion of the board on that
first part of what I should have put up
there sorry I can pull it up but the the
chart we can go on to discussing the new
build okay so we will we'll go back to
Mr scottt then you
can uh I'm going to keep my comments
related to the massing of the building I
think your submission is a good start um
there's a lot of details that are
missing or that I feel
are something as you work with the staff
architect will be improved uh
specifically related to the porches the
eaves the
trim um just it's the Minor Details on
the house that that make the difference
um and if we were looking at this 3D
model and the details there they're not
accurate to how you would construct it
they're a good representation of the
idea um but we we would need to see some
more details of how those things
actually do come together with the
related to the trim the column related
to the and I I don't know how he
suspended the gutter in the middle of
the air there either yeah I saw that
that was
Jared but I think overall the massing um
seems appropriate the roof is fairly
High um so there probably is is some
consideration making sure that this roof
isn't too tall I would like to see this
as a new build in comparison to the
neighboring properties to make sure this
house isn't towering over
them and we we've asked that as a a
street elevation of each at least one on
each side but sometimes we ask for more
um but overall I think that your the
approach to the the design and
um and the massing is is is on par with
you know what we've seen in the
neighborhood and uh I think it's a great
start the basement access is is a
curiosity um at first I was like what is
going on and you have this kind of back
porch and then you have a stair that
shoots down uh but in a way The Quirk
could work um so I think it's just in
the end moving on with the details and
working with the staff I would
anticipate we're seeing a new version of
this or a continued version of this
next overall no criticism uh just I'd
like to see further detail can you give
an example of a detail that's specific
well I could point you to the we have a
a arital design guidelines it's online
yeah I highly recommend reading through
that one there's some cool history of
the neighborhoods uh but then it starts
talking about like trim details and
porch details and relationships to
column to the the porch structure and
then the the the eaves and the offit so
it's just in the the nuances of those
details that make can or break a project
um and I think in Bexley we really are
focused on those details because it's a
quality of craftsmanship that it really
matters and I think you're again you
have a very strong Foundation here I
mean you're definitely going with higher
sloped roofs
um you know which again without
comparing the neighboring properties
might be perfectly appropriate but also
it may be too tall and may want to hold
downers and ways to break up that roof
so um there's a lot of lot of nuances to
a design that really gives it its
character um and I when I say that this
is a good foundation I think it's
doesn't have any character yet okay you
have a good good start of amassing uh
but it's it's lacking those details to
give it that character which but I think
are easily added okay it's just I would
highly recommend I
think we with you yep I can give you
example really give you a good idea how
to finish this correctly so that you'll
be really really happy you know we we
neighborhood very well and actually get
a better return on your Investments
because Karen you had mentioned what 29
ft for the heist or what is it
20 because be S rough because I've only
got one Cape Cod to my North and then I
think like they're all ranches down the
street until we get to past Denver and
then there's a couple two-story houses
there's a couple two stories on the
Columbus side but very few going up
north yeah
so I mean Second Story roof in Bexley
you'll see it everywhere is that there's
there's Dormers the roofs are way pulled
down a little bit right third story but
they're pulled down sometimes and then
there's the windows and are kind of a
shed Dormer or I'm not saying you know
you can't do the one and a half Story
look in this it's just the proportion if
you go back to the sure you look at the
proportion of where your main Eve line
is he's at he's at 29t one and a half
inches is what he's got right now yeah
you're perfectly fine for code code what
we're saying is but for Aesthetics yes
and symmetry with the other surrounding
your your first floor block where the
your gutter is is the height of that is
short much much shorter than the total
height of your roof in elevation in
reality you know it's it's slop so it
doesn't you won't see that exact
relationship but in architecture that
proportion is important okay Rel
relationship between the first floor E
Line and the top of the roof ears is top
aot got got way to lower that Ridge line
down uh what happens is it compresses
your space so you don't want to have low
ceilings right second floor so then you
lift the roof back up but it's not the
entire roof you're able to lower the
ridge but then you're picking the inside
spaces up to give the inside spaces
character it has a little bit more cost
to construction of course because your
ceilings aren't perfectly flat okay but
it then gives that character of of how
it fits within a neighborhood okay again
not knowing your neighbor's houses may
all be you know two and a half stories
and it's fine um I just you know those
things are what we're looking for and we
say proportions and no I definitely know
what you're meaning because I mean if
that's seven feet to the top of the
window line on the second floor that's
you know another seven eight feet it's
pretty high high you know and that could
just be you know just and and and
allowing yourself to have a little bit
of roof slope ceiling slope in on the
corners of your second floor but if you
don't want that there's other ways to
pick that back up but your we have some
he actually minimized it pretty good but
uh main roof line would would would be
lower while your interior space isn't
that affected that much and it's just
the overall balancing of those two and I
think again okay I can't go through all
of that because it would be redesigning
it all but I think staff architect can
show you many many examples and the
details and the design guidelines so
give you a lot of momentum moving
forward and it's very helpful to look at
the streetcape to even if it's just
through a series of photos but um to see
what how it will fit into your sure
neighboring with your neighboring
properties especially in height yeah and
where your first floor lands compared to
your neighbor's first floor yeah you
could pretty much go around Bexley and
figure out the houses that did not get
built were at the same height as the
Neighbors First Flor oh yeah and yours
is high of ground you're going to have
railings on these steps per code so
right as well figure out what that's
gonna look like yeah
so the the I did I I told him to do that
because yeah uh I want the basement
windows but I don't want window wells I
hate window wells so I so can you bring
it up 30 inches and so but it's it's
curious because you're you're you're
pushing into your floor structure with
those windows because your floor line is
not much above the windows of the
basement so I'm curious as a how they
might have no window wells but you're
going to have structural interruptions
where you're going to have window wells
on the inside ceilings of your if your
basement is finished or not the
structure has to pull back to allow that
window to rise up so so the way these
are
drawn there is a there's a there's a
your bridging over that window with a
header but the header has to be raised
up above the floor line so there's going
to be a challenge to actually get that
done so Al righty that's just be be be
mindful that you're pushing into the
actual floor structure because you're
just top of those basement windows are
almost at the finished floor line which
uh you cannot do normally he actually
has a measurement of a foot above there
for the finished floor but I don't no so
foot might be enough for the header it
might looks in the elevation looks
really close Okay because your front
stbe oh because it steps up again to the
house yeah okay yep small so there
you're just just got it might
be that's all all I have to say but all
right but yeah so uh I'm I'm totally
understand where you're coming from and
uh but that may look really awkward next
to the houses on the side uh the house
to the north it's it's got It's it's got
exposed block up for its basement
windows but then the house to the South
is a ranch that's on a concrete slab so
we we actually have all three right
there at the same place so we have a
slab my house on a crawl space and the
house to me next to me has a full
basement and an apartment building just
south of that yeah and all of that is
great the issue is understanding the
scale of this with those it doesn't mean
that this can't live next to a ranch
it's better for us to be able to see
that we can get a better evaluation sure
how this can balance so that you're not
dominating over and toing towering over
your neighbors
sure Miss Jones um a lot of my comments
were similar just with regard to really
just wanting to see more detailing on
the house um what is the design of the
front door you know what what are the
trim details um you know again I think
much to what Mr Scott was saying um I
think the massing could be fine if it is
in in with your neighbors and so I think
working with the design consultant on
just really figuring out those details
column spacing um I think would help us
give us help give us a better
understanding of what the house will be
when it's
realized mron uh I I don't have anything
to add other than what's been said
already with the exception of
um this is going to sound picky I the
garage door itself seems plain to me it
is I have not we haven't picked one yet
uh because also what I'm trying to do is
find something that so my plan is for a
pedestrian door it's only four foot but
to have a two- foot swing right so that
you know you don't have to I don't have
to have a four- foot swing and and
obviously have a lot of stuff in the way
uh and I'm trying to find a garage door
that is obviously aesthetic but also
something I can emulate on the 4 foot
pedestrian door so some I'm thinking you
know some of them like the have the the
Tha hinges well I I I think I could
probably do something like that and
fabricate something to put on on the two
pedestrian doors to make it match the
garage door so um so that that's I I we
just haven't found the right one yet but
that yeah we're we're looking I think
when you when you work through some of
the detailing for the rest of the house
of figuring out how things come together
and how this Edge should be finished and
all that kind of thing I think those
little things will start to point you to
oh maybe the door should look like this
yeah um now granted the the garage sits
back from the street further and sort of
behind the house a bit but when you run
by you'll be looking up and see exactly
right so yeah you don't want to go out
to your garage every day and think oh I
wish I had a Better Door
yeah U my comments are similar I just
feel like you just need a more complete
package even when it comes to materials
like you just call out siding we're
curious is that V is no no Hardy panel
and Hardy plank is already that's um
I've got a meet with matter of fact
about the windows uh getting my meeting
with appco uh to look at their Marvin
window line and they're a certified um
Hardy installer so uh so that sort of by
Nature they got the job for the windows
we don't have to separate it
out so so there there are specific
details when you're using Hardy panel
and Hardy siding yeah that are not being
represented in your Dr drawings that we
would like to sure be in some fashion
could be in the drawing which would be
great okay be photographs of example
these details this is how we're trimming
out our Windows this is out putting
hopefully yeah the guy from AFC will
help me with that corners of the
buildings Yes actually I I told my
architect to put in five five and I
think it's five and a quarter is their
Hardy panel corn outside corner uh
planking and he left it off again I
think he actually makes a comment uh
about it but it's it's verbal not visual
uh and then there will be trim on the
outside of the window but no window
sills yeah going for a smaller like two
and a half inch trim around the windows
give or take depending on the final
product of the window but Arvin is a
solid Windows yeah um can't complain
about that you know that Medium gray
kind of the back of your computer screen
um for the house with all white trim all
white corner all white front
pillars um white garage with the and
then black for the porch lighting and
dark charcoal gray to black roof in
which we're aiming for a metal roof
standing Ste and I'm adding it to my
list I've already added it because I the
the goal of tonight was to come out with
a list of what you need to bring back
next time and I think we're doing a
great job okay so far um but I would put
together a material board it doesn't
need to be necessarily the
three-dimensional materials you could
just put together a picture phot of your
paint your your you know your choices
for colors and materials and and roof
type you know you can do it right on
your computer going to the people going
to the web Marvin website and whatever
bits and pieces just he's not going to
be able to put it most likely to the
drawing but yeah no what I'm saying is
it can be labeled on here with the line
see see attach or whatever trim
dimensions on the drawing but then the
actual one pager that has You Know
sample of your picture of the roof type
that and color and all the different
choices we have example set yes I will
give you an example set of everything
okays
that okay so what I'm hearing is that um
if you would like to come back next
month we can table your application okay
um if you need more time than a mon
month um we can do that too we can table
you to next month and then if you're not
ready you can just call Karen and she'll
push you to the following month so we'll
have it ready we yeah and the intention
is to have the concrete down before
November or around in that so that we
don't have a time lapse because of
winter months and the good thing is all
the things we're asking for for us to
review are things you're going to need
for to get your building permit anyway
so yeah so it won't be doubled up work
um so okay so I'm hearing we want to be
tabled till next month is there a um
board member that will oh is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about this
application okay I seeing no one is
there a board member that will make a
motion I
move Mr C yes makes a
motion second
Jones so we're tabled to um September
10th I think is that what it is I
believe nope September 12th 12th okay
12 um and I note that because since it's
tabled to a date certain we won't have
to notice it again okay don't get
something it doesn't mean you're not on
it okay um and I have a list of the
three things one of which has a hundred
more things no that's what can meet and
go over that and I'll give you sample
packets of of um
of previous approved in their full yeah
that's be great and then for future
reference we made several attempts
around the city because both of us are
here all the time but we have taken bits
and pieces from anything that we've seen
around town we haven't picked really
anything outside of Bexley to use other
than well trust me we've looked at every
front porch I think uh from here from
here to
eastmore the street but for the city
trying to just kind of keep it just
hearing your comments of the products
you're thinking about is is definitely
sets the tone of quality so oh yeah no
your way it's just that we we approve
the drawings absolutely oh yeah yeah as
accurate as we can make them no it's I'm
not I'm not throwing crap together just
to get a house house built middle a
little while she's got to work another
20 years
okay can you tell the RO pleas I was
gonna I was gonna ask Mr Scott yes misss
Jones yes Mr Calhoun yes Madam Sher Tony
yes thank you so much and we will see
you back here next thank you
guys okay our next
application
is arb24 s28 the address is 205 North
gold the applicant is Brian marsich the
owner is Edward karski sorry if I just
butchered your name uh the applicant is
seeking Architectural Review and
approval and a certificate of
appropriateness to modify an existing
second floor roof line to provide actual
live livable space in a previous
addition that doesn't meet current code
for Headroom and
eress is the applicant present please
come forward and we will throw you in
I'm
own Brian is not here I'm the owner of
the property okay um state your name and
Mr
Edward it's on oh the green edor kov do
you swear or affirm that the testimony
you give this evening will be the truth
I
do okay um this application I actually
talked to Brian about it in detail
yesterday he was going to get me some
new sketches but I didn't receive them
so we can just talk through what we
talked about before we even start I
wanted to commend you on the very nice
job you did on gold for for those of you
that don't know um the applicant is the
owner of the owner of the um the murals
the mural the building yeah looks great
good job so we have worked with we have
worked with um this applicant be this
owner before and I think you have a good
sense of design so I'll start by saying
that Brian and I had a pretty um long um
intense conversation about the new roof
design and talked through um several
ways but just verbally that per perhaps
this um
proposed renovation could have a better
roof treatment more of a pitch and not
um flat um it's going to be hard to
translate that conversation because it
kind of went all over the place with
lots of good ideas and Brian was going
to send me some sketches but I didn't
receive any send it to me oh I didn't
get them looks ugly so I don't have any
way to put him up here but we can um we
can either I can explain can you can
explain it but we probably need to table
it till next month uh I can I can send
it to
you well
um
but um I guess after talk it's not going
to be an issue I guess because we're not
gonna We're Not Gonna raise it we're not
going to be able to like even if you
send it to me it doesn't really give the
board members who haven't seen it yet
enough time to review the drawings but
did you do you agree with that the
assessment of the flat roof and changing
it to more of a
pitch
okay absolutely not it doesn't make any
sense so you want the board to evaluate
yes please it as is and if you
disapprove which just not going to do
anything because it doesn't make any
economical sense and it looks ugly from
from the street okay then you can go
ahead and give your presentation all
right um question number I mean Point
number one um you already approved this
in
1992 so there is a historical document I
can give it to you it's been approved it
just never been built correctly well
1992 is 32 years ago I I understand I'm
just saying it's it's already been
submitted it's been approved it just
never been done right so they raised one
part of the house which is like six feet
and another part of the house is like 4
feet so you cannot really
walk
um
um scene number two um like you refer to
the street this is the paragraph of the
street this is Gold Street and it's
absolutely the same houses as we asked
for we're just going to make it nicer
adding some details and uh but
and I can just tell you I mean this
house in this particular location it
doesn't make any economical
sense uh to raise a
pitch uh I purchase this house for my
daughter's friend who want to actually
liste it out for kids to go to Bey
school but she wanted the second floor
to be
usable and and if you disapprove I just
not going to do anything to it it's
going to stay as ugly as it is and I'll
just do cosmetic and sell it because it
doesn't really you know spending 40
$50,000 to raise a second floor
absolutely doesn't make any
sense that's a
story okay let's go to board members and
see if they have any great ideas because
sometimes that's what comes out of these
meetings so um Mr Scott you want to
start so uh I had sent some comments to
uh the design consultant I he has some
family problems so unfortunately Brian
is not here oh she's talking about me
not Brian does yeah I sent my comments
to her sorry to hear that Brian has
family trouble that's that's all I I
think my my problem is you're putting a
flat roof on the second story and and it
it is it's not an approp in this case in
this style of house it's just not an
appropriate detail um I
had given the design consultant a kind
of a a a
visual description instead of writing it
of so basically a sketch of like what
one possibility could be by extending
the the front Gable which is in in the
front photo front East photo which is
the bottom center
one this the side elevation absolutely
does not match or couldn't doesn't even
look like it's the same house and given
the Ming of this property at the top
left photo is just the weirdest thing
I've seen maybe in my career it is just
an interesting Ming of a building it's
ugly it's ugly absolutely ugly it's a
little rough though I like I don't mind
the shape it's just different and then
the windows don't work but it's it's a
different whole another discussion uh
the front of house is this cute little
Bungalow it's just a tin little this
little structure so they just don't look
like they align and I know the
photograph is deceiving but so looking
at this house in the front roof of the
of the main gable roof where the chimney
is and looking at the neighbor's house
the
neighbor's roof square footage is almost
twice as big so I was like well it would
be okay on the streetcape if that that
same pitch continued up instead of
turning flat just continuing up and
making the line of the house similar or
even maybe a little higher depending on
how it it end ended up to the neighbor's
house but long as it was proportionate
could work just an amassing discussion
not thinking about construction not
thinking about how that would actually
happen inside the house um so that was
kind of my suggestion because I just
just didn't like I mean I've seen over
the years in this neighborhoods I've
seen two story editions that are flat
roofed it's on the photograph all over
and they're just terrible they're just
not good looking uh additions to
property so making it as part of the
main roof as a big flat roof extension
off the back to me uh I just I just
can't in the drawings that are submitted
maybe if it was a 3D model that there's
more convincing views and reasons why I
just can't get my arms around it and
can't support
it okay Miss
Jones um I think we can all agree that
the house certainly is quirky and it's
current
iteration um I
think you know if it could be considered
as I wish we could see the drawings that
uh Brian merage put I mean I can I can
it's on my phone that's I mean I think
Karen can't pull it up at the moment I
mean I I could pull it up but you
sounded like you don't even want him
considered right correct to change the
Gamble to change the peach no I can show
it but I'm not going to change the peach
it's what I'm saying it's
$50,000 so there's no problem yeah
looking at it right so I guess you know
it's not an option for me financially I
understand so I think my comments would
probably again Echo that of Mr Scott um
just with creating a strong flat
roof in the neighborhood um doesn't seem
contextually appropriate um for the stle
of the house even if the neighbor's
house are exactly the flat roofs I you
know I
think they just aren't great pieces of
architecture when that happens and
that's you know really what we are here
to review right now but it's going to be
much nicer than this one I don't
disagree but I think um I don't know if
makes it nicer I think it's quirkier
yeah so you think this is the challenge
is is it Mak is the addition making it
better okay and I'm not convinced
especially in the side elevation that is
you know I try to improve uh this house
look because it's much it makes much
more sense for me just to do cosmetic
inside and sell it Financial what I'm
saying I try to improve the look I try
to do something good for the street if
you're saying it's not good it's it's
fine with
me I'll just
sell as ugly as it is
Mr C uh I don't have anything to add
other than what's been said
already I'm in agreement yeah I guess my
comment would be
that in if if I'm in your shoes to put
all this money into it and to just make
it a bigger mess because it is it has
been kind of made into a mess over the
years with the additions that it's it's
had put on it and you might get better
quality space inside but you're just
making a a bigger a more
massive um mess of the architecture
outside so it's really hard for us to
get around at when our goal is always to
to make things better to improve on what
was there and it's not that we would ask
you to make it perfect but just anything
better than what's there and I feel like
because it is just getting more massive
more massive I I'm not sure that you
have improved it um and I think that
that is because
again if it was 3D modeled I think you
would see how truly goofy it is when you
are only looking at elevations you start
to see pitches that in 3D really
aren't aren't going to feel like they're
chopping this the mass down so um I hate
to discourage you to not fix the place
up but I really want to encourage you to
not make it worse than what it is I
don't think it's Force I think it's
terrible right now
as is yeah I think it's terrible and
it's going to stay terrible so
um it's not usable it's like six feet
and four feet it just yeah absolutely
doesn't make any sense I don't know why
City approve this design if it's or they
approve a different one but it's never
been brought to the standard of it's
well my guess to is the approval that
you have was not through an architect
board it was just a permit it did F well
hold on first of all there was no
architector Review Board in 1992 right
that this is probably why we have an
architect you know this is not this
project but these kinds of projects are
why our architecture review board was um
established in 2000 or 2001 um so and
this packet I'm happy to pass it around
but there's no drawings in here it's
just a permit yeah uh it's actually the
description of in yellow it's fine it's
fine like I said I mean I have no
problem not to do anything to this cost
and just sell it I just thought I going
to do something better than than it is
but economically it's it's it's a win
situation for me but I just don't feel
like it's it's right because it's very
ugly right right and and again I would
love to encourage you to you know try to
come back again with another approach
but I understand if you look another
approach is just to raise uh the top of
the house which is thousands and
thousands and thousands and it's not
going to increase the square footage so
in this particular location it's going
to be completely loser so I'm not going
to do this doesn't make any Financial
sense right
right well do we would you like some
time to work on it some more would you
like to table it and and then if you
next month you can I'm Gonna Let Brian
know and maybe he can talk back to you
but one c i not going to do for sure
it's the rais the top of the house okay
well why don't we table it then and then
if you want to come back next month
you'll have a slot and if you decide you
don't want to come back you just let
Karen know that that you don't want to
come back sure does that sound okay okay
no problem okay is there a board is
there anyone in the audience that wants
to speak about this
application okay seeing no one is there
a board member that will make a motion
so move
scottt second Calhoun
R Miss
Jones yes Mr coun yes Mr Scott yes
madame chair Tony yes thank you so much
I hope we do see you back next month all
right St thank
you okay our last application for the
night is Bap
24-24 the address is 2281 Brien Road the
applicant is Ash ASA Shankar and David
MCA the owner is Charles hman the
applicant is Seeking a recommendation to
Bap for a certificate of appropriateness
converting a garage to a bedroom and the
addition of a garage and
bedroom is the applicant here please
come
forward hello state your name and Mr
Clinger will swear you in David Mala do
you swear affirm the testimony you give
this evening will be the truth I do
thank
you okay this application is before the
board for the first time it is a
recommendation to um the board of zoning
and planning um just a just by way of
reminder this board is here to look at
the architecture so the question in your
head should be if the board of zoning
and planning is okay with this variance
is the architecture okay with this board
so we're not here to evaluate this the
the variance um having having said that
there's fuzzy line a lot of times where
something is built affects the
architecture or its relationship to
other pieces of architecture so you know
there's there's a balance we need to
maintain but you um I just want to make
sure the audience members that are here
for the first time and to remind new
board members or to remind old board
members and make sure new board members
understand that um it it is a very well
done you know addition to the existing
house um
let me get it up
here I I think the best thing David is
to probably let you walk through the
drawings yeah um and I I don't really
have any comments on the um the
architecture if by way of reminder um
actually I think Suzanne and Pete were
probably here the addition if addition
was done maybe five or six years AG um
five five or four years ago yes so this
this piece uh the connector piece had
already been the first addition to this
house this is the second addition just
just historically um reminder um but
everything seems to be done in keeping
with the architecture of the house the
tricky part to this is its size and
where it's placed on the lot from an
architectural perspective at this board
meeting yeah so so going back to what
the criteria was um the the want was to
add a um a ground floor master Suite
which um the current garage would
convert
into um and then provide a new garage
with a um an in-law suite above it so
sort of that combo so with those two
criteria um we looked at you know how
how could this fit on this site so um
one of the key components in in order to
do the in-law suite was to have it
attached to the existing
house um plus also trying to gain access
easily into the garage we need to get
that swing off to the left into it the
setback along drexo is 20 feet so we use
that criteria to set the building and
then gave it a I think a 30 feet or 35t
of of turning um access into the garage
so that sort of set as close as we could
get that house or the new addition
into um uh into or to to a butt to the
existing house um that sort of set that
criteria so again as you can see on the
the the existing garage we're adding a
um a new bedroom with a full bathroom
down there um and the ability again as
they age in place that that's an easily
accessible
area um again the two-car garage um
which is the new build um and then
upstairs of that was a full bathroom in
a closet and a um bedroom above there so
that's the existing Asis of the existing
house feel free to direct me to whatever
go ahead and so okay there's the now
that's the second floor so you're seeing
the in-law suite um with a staircase
that's going up from the garage into uh
the existing house as well as into that
suite and then sort of a bridge
connection between the two I think
there's 7 feet 7 feet4 Ines between the
uh the new garage and the existing
house and then detail wise gambro roof
on the um on the new edition with a with
a dormer that's very similar to what's
on the existing structure we're matching
all the same materials and colors um it
has a brick uh water table on it and um
lap siding um above
that so this is a demolition PL just
showing the areas that were just
modifying uh the garage door and the
window being removed and then this would
be the final outcome we would take the
existing garage put some windows in and
then re infill the brick into that area
it's painted brick so we'll be able to
match that pretty readily
and again the gambril pitch and actually
the Dormers are basically duplicating
what's existing on the house sort of
matching all that
criteria anything else no any
questions um I'm gonna ask is there
anyone else in the audience that wants
to speak about this application before
we go to board members please come up
and we will swear you in
bred Offman um what's your address 268
Brighton Road and we own the property
adjacent to this um south of it uh and
just for clarity Karen you men swear
real quick oh perfect do you swear
affirm the testimony you give this
evening will be the truth I do yes um
just before I jump in you mentioned
tonight we're not speaking on the
variances has this been through Bap no
it is not so this the first stage are
okay perfect just to just for
clarification this board um is the first
step to and they give a recommendation
to Bap okay simply on the design okay um
Bap has it sits over over this board
okay if that makes sense it does make
sense yes um well thank you for giving
me the opportunity to speak tonight uh I
want to begin by saying that I am not
entirely opposed to my neighbor's new
addition uh in the garage project I
understand the need for Home
Improvements and appreciate this board's
effort um to help you know facilitate
the change in existing properties while
maintaining the architectural guidelines
I do however have significant concerns
and questions regarding the current
design proposed here tonight uh I would
like to address some of those concerns
right now um so the most pressing issue
U if you go to the first page of the
docket they
provided um it will show the garage on
the south side oh there must have been
multiple dockets because my first page
was
different this existing do you want the
new go to the proposed
new sou
Southside perfect right there so that's
bottom left um you so you'll see the
inclusion of seven windows above the
garage um these are looking directly
into our property um the garage this
isn't the place to to bring this up but
I'm just going to mention they're
seeking a variants to come closer um on
the setback and the garage will be
encroaching on the north side of my
building and it will completely alter
the Ambiance um of the the two units
that face this property um there are two
porches on the northeast corner of our
property um one is screened in one is
open air and this will
not only block their view but you'll be
looking directly into the windows so it
completely alter the Privacy component
of of the
property um and then he mentioned it was
an in-law suite we thought it was going
to be the master bedroom but again the
intention here is to have a full bedroom
and they're having seven windows on both
the front and on the back and the rear
so you're going to be looking directly
into our property um so I guess I do
have did you say your property is on
brighten Road no it's on directel 530
515 South toxel okay thank
you um so I would you know the goal here
tonight of course is to voice concerns
about the architecture and I would
respectfully ask for the the applicant
to reconsider on the back windows we
have no other issues with the windows in
the front on the sides but to keep with
um you know the Privacy the seclusion
that it currently has um and we will be
here on the 22nd to address too the
variants that they're seeking
um because then you're going to be just
looking right on top and can I ask you
so are you asking for fewer Windows
correct yes and you're not asking for
the the placement of the garage to
change because if you move the garage
back away from the street it's just
going to be even closer to your place is
that no no no so we will be asking I
didn't think we could address it here
tonight but we will be opposing the
variance they're seeking to go further
south towards our property line they
need a variance for that that um you
know we do not want them to be closer to
the property line
um so yeah you can see it says 23
24 um and it says three and three fours
and it says variance so they have to be
40 feet that's correct foot 8 in yeah 15
foot 8 inch and then you'll notice too
again and I guess this is co this is not
for dispute but on the the our corner
now the garage is going to be moving 7
feet to the
east the our property the main windows
are directly to the North and then the
porches are to the north it there it's a
small duplex building with
Flats so you're going to be not only
you're going to be losing part of your
view to direct soul and the existing
infrastructure but you're also going to
be looking now closer with seven new
windows that are you know appearing
um the other thing I'd like to ask about
is the tree in the um Southeast
Corner
um I met with a city representative uh
his name his first name is David I'm not
sure his last name was on July 30th
2024 to discuss issues that we are
having with this tree currently so I
wanted to ask the applicant a if they
intend to keep it um in the plans it
looks like it was there um but I did
want to ask about
that and this is a tree owned by the
applicant not by correct it's owned by
the applicant and I have a letter that
I'd like to submit for the record um
we've had issues with getting a response
from the neighbor on this the tree limbs
are growing onto our property I dropped
this letter off to him unbeknownst that
this project was going to be occurring I
dropped it off on August 2nd um we have
not heard from the applicant um again we
didn't know this was going to be
occurring but we want to get a response
uh because it's going into our gutter
we've had issues clogging with the roof
um we've incurred expenses and before we
go pack it off which we know we can we
want to be neighborly um and also you
know we didn't even get notice that this
was going to be occurring and that would
have been a nice thing but you didn't
get notice for this project correct we
did not the city we did
not so
it would have gone to the
property we saw
sign they went they go to the address we
we get on the Auditor's website we draw
a 200 foot circle everything in the 200
foot circle gets mailed but we do have a
different mailing address get the water
bill get the tax bill so I think it
would be good add to your program
because we missed
two yeah um actually we need to swear
you in if you're going to come up and
talk can you please come up it can't
Jenny I can't hear you back there the
microphone that's okay do go ahead say
your name
and I'm I'm Jenny Hoffman I I live at
2618 brighten but we do own 513 515
South Drexel and um do you swear from
the testimony you give this evening will
be the truth I do thank you
J so only thing I would recommend I
think it would be a good thing because
we were surprised by the sign but didn't
get a letter we actually called one of
our tenants um I think it they were
fooled too because the address is
brighten but they all live on Drexel
because I actually asked another
neighbor and he goes oh I got a letter
with a lot of addresses but they were I
didn't see anything because you think
you live on Drexel but this house is
addressed on Brien but it's impacting
Drexel so I've learned a lot about the
code that we're now looking at the side
of a house on the front of Drexel which
now has different code which is a little
bit concerning but we'll deal with that
later but anyhow I do want to say I'm
sorry I was yelling from the back but
it'd be helpful if the letters also went
to the landlords or owners and I think
it could be done by mailing address well
Mr kler will he's the right person
laundry um and then just last comment
and I don't know if this is the Forum to
weigh in on but in terms of like
professional opinions my mom is a
realtor she works here in Bexley on Main
Street at Street soube and she and along
with other real estate professionals can
speak to the impact um you know privacy
or lack of privacies can have on
evaluation of property um I know you
guys went through heck getting this
thing approved good job on that the
apartment here but
um I just would ask you guys to consider
and think of that as you way this
decision um can I ask you a question
yeah toward that and I'm again I'm being
careful to try to differentiate
architecture from zoning okay but this
is going to be kind of one of those gray
areas yeah if they built this garage
detached and moved it within what is it
there three
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feet closer but it was not as high right
would that it could be within 3T at the
property you don't I just want to make
sure you're aware I don't think we have
an issue with the height it's the
windows it's the Privacy so so wouldn't
bother you to have it really close to
the property line you just don't want
the windows in the height no we still
have an issue with the VAR I mean this
isn't no this is this would not be a
variance okay so if so if it wasn't
attached you're saying the garage was
separate they wasn't if it wasn't
attached you wouldn't need a variance
and they could build it as close then
they have to change the driveway they
couldn't do this loopd Loop they'd have
to come right on off reel like straight
in straight shoot I believe that's how
the code
reads so right now they come in and take
a left but what she's asking is yeah
code says that they could build a
detached garage three feet from the from
your property line okay would you rather
have that than the variance is asking
them to build it much farther away sorry
you said three feet from the property
line if it was the
not attached to the house the code says
they could build it three feet
away I again we what have to speak and
reconsider we saw this docket for the
first time at 800m last night but um in
its current Forum the biggest qualm
would be the
windows yeah I I'm not asking I wasn't
really asking for your opinion I just
wanted to make sure you're aware yeah
that the another alternative yeah they
wouldn't even have to come to this board
at all fair is to build a detached
garage 3et off property line within
footprint and height restrictions yeah I
just want to make sure that's out there
100% clear I'm not using that as an
argument for or against no and it would
defeat the applicant wouldn't do that
because it would defeat the purpose for
the in-law suite and you know the
connection of the master bedroom with
that garage so I can assure you they're
not going to do
that that's irrelevant yes I would
rather have that make sure you knew that
that was out there fair fair point
um okay anything else and then you know
in terms of the Landscaping is this is
that a fair thing I do want that to be
circulated because again we haven't had
any dialogue with them and we've had
issues in the past we just want to just
asking for the tree to be trimmed or you
want you want it to be taken down no
just there's two major branches on the
tree that go over and um again I think
we could easily work it out if we could
get in contact
that is definitely something the city
and Matt and the code enforcement
officer can help you with but not within
the purview of this boort just okay well
then it just speaks to the common area
that's going to be between this right
because this this Landscaping too is AR
Landscaping no it's not just
architecture
okay um that's all my questions and
concerns thank you thanks is there
anyone else in the audience that want
would like to speak about this
application okay
um yes if you brought up the height and
I haven't seen the drawings but is the
height of the garage the same height as
the existing or you're putting a second
story on it but he has a second story on
the new garage he built right correct so
we're not looking for a you answer that
she's asking if the addition is higher
than the existing house is that what ask
yeah or the existing
addition you brought up height so I just
wanted to make
yes very close
to you show it in elevation you can
see that's
one exact number
that so it is higher I don't I don't
think I got an
answer is it higher or take a p the
elevation yeah they're not that the best
way yeah Karen can you pull up that
elevation sorry what
elevation just the
front s we just hang
on time please
keep
going that would have
worked that's is that the one you
wanted it it looks the same that it is a
little bit taller is that what you're
saying it should be the same height as
the existing I just heard comment about
the height so I wanted to make sure I
didn't miss that the height was higher
than exist
existing by eye it looks the same height
right bottom left elevation
shows it doesn't show the full elevation
but it shows the connecting piece but it
appears to be at or below the existing
house and again it's an addition to the
existing house so it's allowed to be at
or below okay we wanton yeah okay okay
thank
you just a question is it your name and
address uh herb Hoffman herb Hoffman
address
268 Brighton Road do you swear affirm
the testimony you g this evening will be
the truth yes thank you uh
Southside can you pull that up the the
windows there you go I mean and I'm
trying to you know rethink these seven
windows I mean maybe maybe Dormers with
doubles would be more in keeping now
does this garage have an egress window
on it does anybody know that
does the garage have an egress right you
need an egress window if you got a
bedroom above
it um I mean they don't look like I was
I did take off for 20 years so I yeah I
believe a standard window is a NE
standard isn't no no no it has to be a
certain width and a certain
height and that's for a basement it's
clear in the application that the window
sizes aren't called out so we can't
determine as analysis I just didn't know
if it had is not a code review board an
architectural design review board okay I
was just thinking you know instead of a
shed roof there on the on the on our
side I thought maybe maybe a Dormers two
Dormers with double windows somewhere
around there might make it look good
instead of having that shed roof that
comes
over and and you like that because you
would like four Windows instead of seven
is that well yeah I would like it to be
yeah a little more privacy you know and
I went through you know I mean this is I
this has been done before over on on
bride too people the garages seem to
want the windows they want the view is
your concern more about you being able
to see into their house or them being
able to
see into your
house
both yeah I mean just a little more
privacy you know they sit on their back
porch they don't want everybody you know
they want their
privacy and they haven't been you know I
mean right now we haven't had a lot of
response in terms of trying to get the
foliage correct
so okay we're just trying to work you
know work this out we like I said last
night we only saw it because we were
walking around the block awesome thank
you thank you all right is there a board
member that will go first you should
do I just if I could interject Madam
chair um I
I this is an in-law suite this is an
in-law suite our code requires that a
landscape plan be submitted Ed for
in-law suites um I put that into
viewpoint but we didn't the application
but we did we have not received one yet
so little background knowledge there
yeah so then that does open it up that
the Landscaping can be requested to be
changed as it um relates to the
architecture
okay is there a board member that will
go first
Mr Scott sorry okay
um uh I think the addition is um and
I'll get to the windows in a minute but
the U I think the addition is very well
done I think it's extremely contextual
to the existing house I think
proportionally it it it uh when it when
this is complete it you won't know that
this was it not going to be a big flat
Second Story roof or some other kind of
odity it does you've done a very good
job of of making this uh proportionally
and and working with the existing home
uh I think design wise my my only kind
of um question to you to further explain
is the connecting bridge and and there's
a detail uh on um it's the section
detail through the bridge on
301b that's it middle left
so the existing home has the three
columns right supporting up that that
architecture uh for that kind of can not
can out but the opened area there the I
know why you've you've based on the site
planning and the way the the building
lays out and the The Suite on the second
floor works why that kind of sits in
where it does but architecturally it
kind of seems just kind of hid into the
facade um and I think walking around
that if it when it was done structurally
how that's being supported or at least
architecturally
detailed in the bridge because in the
front elevation or or the I guess the
rear elevation and how that bridge is
coming in was just a little uh you know
it's just doing what it does it's just
hitting it and I think that's one way to
approach it um but I didn't know if you
had any thoughts or could maybe explain
that a little bit more and how the
connection of this because the bridge
itself is a little bit unique to the
style of architecture yeah um which is
great it's fine uh and I know you've
penalized and and with the windows I
think it's appropriate um I just I worry
that the connection is going to feel um
not as finished
without some sort of notion of how the
structure is
working because it's that's off the
column grid and there's no real beam
indication so I know you understand that
so I didn't
know I think it's more in the detailing
of it to be honest with you it's
positioning is based on an existing uh
fireplace that's um between the two
windows upstairs so we're sort of
sneaking it into an existing window
that's there um the more you push it
towards the east the more that the
gamber roof over on that side starts to
dip down so it was a it was literally a
tight squeeze between two areas I don't
have a problem with the placement it's
more of how it connects how it
transitions it's kind of sliding into
the new addition and it's chopping the
Dormer off on this top elevation because
of how it hits and I get that um so I
just I'm curious how you know if you if
you haven't thought about that as as in
in its entirety I I would want you to
focus on that connection to the existing
house and and making sure that it's it's
it's purposeful right it's not just done
makes sense and I know I know your work
details are critical uh and that
everything is purposeful so I don't see
those specific details here and
especially in that section it just slide
it's just kind of hitting into the
siding so I just want you to focus on
absolutely agree yes
uh my comments on the Windows um you
know since it was brought up here
tonight I think you know we are
considered of that in all applications
uh Bap is the Rel is is really is is the
deciding factor on setbacks so I won't
just speak on any of that um I think in
this neighborhood uh there are plenty of
properties that have um Windows facing
neighbors properties and I think this is
anytime you have a corner condition site
with a property that to the South that
has a a separate type of unique
condition uh you're always going to have
challenges with um privacy and and how
you view I think my biggest um thing
that it takes less of a concern me oness
is would be an in-law suite and private
so those windows will always be covered
for the most part because it's a bedroom
and two it's over 30 feet away from the
existing house so Landscaping can can
easily be a way to create some sort of a
visual barrier uh between these two so
architecturally I think it's appropriate
to have these windows because it matches
the rest of the style of the
architecture so I would lean towards
other means to help give some security
for both properties
visually 24 plus plus your plus your
setback plus that 24 feet is not to the
exact if you go to the site plan if you
look at the overall scale of it it's 24
feet to the thick line but then there's
there's additional space between that
line
that's assing you zoom
in I'm looking at what's proposed in the
plan that's all I can see can you zoom
in even further into the two properties
so the 24 3 and three4 is from the new
garage to the what I'm assuming is is
the the property line but there's an
additional line light line which is
below that which I'm not sure if that's
the property line uh or if the very the
23 three and three quarters is to the
setback to the setback so that's to the
setback I mean David you can answer that
better so maybe 27
to theer pretty
but so we're at 30 plus feet between the
two properties it's a rear yard it's
it's the rear yard setback and I would I
would assume I mean as a city we don't
uh lay out property lines that's for the
owner to do but that's uh again I'm just
looking at the drawing that's yeah I I
see a dimension to a pi line that's 243
244 the variance is not 24 feet the
variance is a 15 foot 8 inch
encroachment into the 40 foot rear yard
40 foot rear yard setback so the
difference is 24 feet from the back
property L my only comment is that to me
that 24 in scale drawing that 24 feet
that looks about six more feet past that
to the actual structure to the South
that's about 30 feet so that's I'm
guessing but that's where I'm coming up
with my 30 feet right and we're still
working on getting a clean survey I
think um some I'm dealing with somebody
else in Viewpoint and I we can't get a
clean clean layout it's like a cad
drawing with stuff missing all over
thewing it's um it to be honest with you
it's because it was there was a survey
done and plugged into it you need a
certain AutoCAD plugin to open it up so
let me I'll handle it I'll get back to
you I don't even again we don't I'm not
specifically getting into those details
to me proportionately we're
approximately 30 feet and at 30 feet a
lot can happen landscape wise to help
and I think impacting the architecture
again there are other things in the art
applicant may consider those things um
but it's for me it's it's there's many
in that in that type of space if we're
talking about five feet we'd have a much
bigger problem because you you you would
be overbearing uh but at 30 some feet I
think on this street in this location
there is you obviously unique conditions
because of corner lot and the way the
Sherwood road comes in um I just don't
think it in the end it'll be that big a
deal uh because of its distance and with
the landscape plan there could be easily
things done to help mitigate that that
that's hang on this is not a question
and answer session this is the time for
the board to speak um uh is there a
board member that would like to go
next um so you know I think I will keep
my comments focused architecturally um
since karon put forth that's really what
our role is here and I think you know
it's very well balanced um I think when
executed it would feel quite seamless
with the existing
residents um I personally don't have a
problem with the number of Windows on
the new garage Edition um again I
think I also run and walk in the
neighborhood a lot and I think we see
that quite frequently um throughout the
neighborhood
um when it comes to privacy concerns
again I Karen is that something that we
comment
on I I don't think I mean we have homes
that are closer together than cor my
home being one of them so yeah I I don't
think it's
uncommon um for an
iteration you know like this to happen
so um I think Mr Scott covered more
nuances than I will but um in general
I'm in
agreement
KH um I first of all I think this is a a
really nice addition to a house that
I've seen improved over the years
um I I also had a similar concern to Mr
Scott in that I do find that bridge
between the new garage and the existing
house uh interesting and unique and I
like the fact that you panelize the
bottom of it below the windows to add
more visual Mass to
that I I did have the same concern that
you did in that it felt to me
like this is not an architectural term
but it felt to me like it was kind of
this end of it was sort of hanging into
the garage it I I like the fact that
this column holds up that end of the
house right over here it feels like it's
just sort of intersecting into the
garage and when I looked at the the
elevation of the garage itself which I
think is on the next page down
one just an
idea this is so hard to get to wait for
it right there
oh almost so okay so right here if if
this trim were to be thickened and
brought down to almost feel sort of like
a column and come out the ways it would
visually some heft to the sides of those
doors which I think might actually align
not really align but visually be similar
to a column that's adjacent to this one
here on the house itself and sticks out
holding up that part so I think that
that's that's the that's one thing that
I looked at and thought that could that
could help it feel more appropriate with
the house um the only other concern
apparently tonight I'm garage door guy
but uh
the the way that the garage door is
represented here to me seems very plain
given the detail and the amount of
attention that's paid to the rest of the
house so I would just encourage a little
bit more detail on the garage
door that's all
agreed um okay uh I I think that the
architecture is uh wonderful and I will
just make the comment that there are so
many projects that come before us that
with a shed roof that we are are begging
them to put Windows in to look like this
um because it makes it feel so much
lighter uh and and and reduces the mass
um I um also am not concerned about the
closeness to your neighbors your
neighbor's house is very close to the
lot line and you are still going to be
very far off of it um I do understand
the request for privacy though and so as
part of the application um we have done
this before where we have had um
requests from Neighbors that certain
trees get planted of certain sizes and
um we have put that into the record
before um as part of the landscape plan
so I would um just ask that you work
with the neighbors to try to figure out
what that is in the Landscaping that
tries to give you some
separation um I think that's a a very
nice compromise so um but I think that
the architecture itself it's you know
for me it is a building and a connector
and a building and I think um it's
lovely the way that it kind of breaks up
a big house and makes it feel like three
smaller houses
so um yeah my concern about it more in
its placement was how close it was to
High Street um but I think that's more
or I'm sorry to to to
Drexel
project it's be High
Street you know know that uh that you're
encroaching in that line um of of where
the rest of the houses are so but I can
see where that's also um a problem we
don't really want garage doors facing
Drexel so by turning it sideways like
that and making it so that you can come
in and out off the side and creating a
little um Court almost there I think um
is a better solution so all the uh other
options I feel like where it's placed is
better than it were set back and had a
garage door off of the face of it so and
I believe it aligns if not very close to
the existing porch that's part of this
house it has a roof on it as well so
it's really not stepping out beyond the
existing house if that's the case your
your drawing doesn't really represent
that CHS it on the well that one doesn't
but the other plan if you look at this
floor plan there
that's the existing porch
gotcha there you
go Madam chair Tony if I may yes um just
a little if it were an accessory
structure that not connected to the
house it we it would be required another
five feet in addition to the 20 foot
setback Corner lots are always a unique
animal I've been a part of study groups
of how we can best uh update our code to
accommodate Corner lots and there are so
many we have so many because we have so
many streets um but yeah so it would be
farther so maybe that might help more
but because it's attached it's
considered part of the principal
structure so from a code perspective
zoning perspective that's just a little
background okay thank
you um okay so at this point you are um
you will be going to beap next month if
this board
yeah I mean there's several ways you can
do it you could table it I don't know
that there's enough issues that are
unresolved that it would be worth a
tabling I mean the appropriate thing to
do now is go to zoning you could we
could ver we could stipulate what the
additional things that we would like to
see added or we could have them remanded
back here I think it's pretty
straightforward what the additional
things are so I'm not sure that aand
back here is really necessary but I just
want to make sure we spell out what what
the additional things are um I mean what
I have down is the like look at
investigate looking at the additional
columns um as Mr Calhoun suggested for
the garage um balance or some way to
balance that um that o that
piece um we talked about a a landscape
plan which I think is um I think it's a
requirement for an in-law site I don't
know if that means an attached in-law
sleep I think it's you know but still we
should make it a requirement a landscape
plan um and specifically on this one to
work with the neighbors to try to get
some pieces in there to give you some
screening yeah I mean I think it's it's
great to work with the neighbors
ultimately I think lscape plan should be
approved by the city's landscape
consultant right
right okay so are we are we okay going
to a vote is is there any board member
that is objecting
to no and I have no conditions uh and
actually I'm not even sure mine was a
recommendation I think it's a a comment
to the architect to pay attention to
that that area detail great so I don't I
don't have any um specific thing I want
to put on record as the requirement for
the architect so the facts and findings
can just be approved as submitted
recommendation um I'm the same I I don't
know the architecture better than Mr
Mala does so he can look at those
concerns and solve them the best as
possible uh I
agree as
well okay is there a motion to
approve motion to approve
Jones second Calhoun
Mr
Calhoun yes Mr Scott yes Miss Jones yes
Madam Cher Tony yes okay you to be Z see
you in a couple weeks couple weeks thank
you okay and we are adjourned thank you