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like we'll see about
that all right ladies and gentlemen this
is the February
2024 meeting of the board of zoning and
planning for the city of Bexley
Ohio
will call the meeting to order and Kathy
if you could call the role Miss
dor here Mr Kingler here Mr schik here
chairman Beall I'm here we have a
quorum has everybody had a chance to
review the minutes of the last
meeting which was the January meeting I
think uh and if so does anybody have any
comments
modifications questions
deletions
additions seeing none do I hear a motion
to approve the minutes of
the January 2024 meeting so move shik
thank you Mr shik is there a
second second thank
youy all in favor of approving the
minute say I I all oppose nay the motion
carries unanimously the minutes are
approved
this is an opportunity for the general
public to make comments about the
operation of the
bcap as opposed to making comments about
a specific case just in general if
anybody is here to uh wishes to make
commentary please raise your hand seeing
no indication of such we'll move on to
the next uh issue which is old business
I don't think we have any old business
that I recall okay thank you on to new
business which involves the first case
of the night which is application bcap
d241 which should tell you when it was
filed probably the first one of the year
and the applicant is Matthew loon the
owner is Gallagher
Ryals the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and a
recommendation of a certificate of
appropriateness to the board of zoning
and planning for modifications to the
existing building as well as a patio
expansion and new signage for the
restaurant
would those who are here on behalf of
this applicant please come
forward and for those of you who are
going to testify not the attorneys but
those who are going to testify please
raise your right hand do you swear or
affirm that any testimony you're about
to give this evening would be the truth
the whole truth and nothing but the
truth I do thank you very much all
right you can enter your appearance I
guess for the record too while we're
here good evening Timothy Madison
Madison and Rosen I'm here on behalf of
catalinas thank you Mr Madison Kathy why
don't you give us a little background on
this application please or she gonna
pass over to me I think um I'll make it
very brief sorry the the report looks
very long that's just because it's in
the uh Main Street District so we went
through the typical checklist right um
the application has gone through the
airb um Karen can tell you about what
happened there uh generally favorable
there's just a few small conditions that
we've added into this report it has yet
to go to tree and public garden so it'll
have to do that um just to verify issues
about streetscape that'll be upcoming
there's not a whole lot to say about the
physical site as most of you are I'm
sure aware all of you I'm sure aware
it's a it was a Boston Market for a lot
of years so it's been a restaurant um
there's no significant changes proposed
for the site same access in the front
same access in the back same amount of
parking spaces um this is a bit unusual
for Main Street in that not only does it
not have any problem meeting the parking
standard it actually would be violation
of having too many parking spaces uh if
not for it being an existing lot so
that's not relevant here um so that's
not even a it's not an issue that
doesn't even take into account the
reductions for on street parking and
Alley access and all that stuff so
there's really nonstarter there um uh
I'll hold any architecture comments the
only other issue um that really is of
any significance is that uh due to the
fact that this is a skinny building in
the front there is a signage limitation
in the Bexley Main Street guidelines
which is what dictates through our code
the signage here which limits it to one
foot per linear foot one square foot per
linear foot because it's such a skinny
building that's long on the side but
skinny on the front that means that
technically they can only have a 25 foot
sign they're proposing a 32.5 square
foot sign so the interesting thing
though if you haven't done um a variance
for a sign in a while is we do actually
have a different set of criteria that
are a little more flexible
um with regard to those and you can see
that um those are included uh where did
I include them um on the last page so
the very last page of the staff report
um basically you can do you can decide
and you see the first one if there is an
exceptional narrowness shallowness shape
or topographic conditions that you think
are unique so um you know that's up to
you of course to apply those that said
um the minimum size of
any side no matter how skinny the
building is 25 so they are actually
limited to the minimum based on this
building which does seem a bit unusual
to me personally um and the the excess
that they're asking for is fairly small
you know just
32.5 and isn't that smaller than the
than the previous sign yeah I believe it
is yeah yeah um and then there are
graphics on the side um those are
considered by the ARB and staff agrees
to be more of Graphics not ual signage
there more um artistic pieces that talk
about the building um the only
significant change on the site is as you
see there is an ex extension of the
outdoor space but you know that's
considered an additive thing uh by the
Main Street guidelines and by our code
it encourages more activated front usage
they've also installed some additional
Landscaping to screen the parking lot
and to screen that front patio um that
being said we'll let the tree and public
garden commission have the final say on
all of that so with that uh we recommend
that uh you can uh include the following
three conditions uh should you choose to
act and that is that the applicant
conforms with the recommendations of the
ARB which are proper light fixtures over
the artwork that artwork is to have a
background color to complement the
building um approval is subject to
review and approval by the tree and
public garden commission and then that
all of the information um is in
conformance with what is submitted today
and I'll turn it over to Karen for any
future further comments yeah um this was
very enthusiastic ically recommended by
The Architects review board um and I
know the applicant has already listened
to the tape or was participating um
virtually at the time but just to kind
of recap it for all of you the the board
um was really enthusiastic particularly
about this elevation which is why I
pulled it up because if you remember we
um I think I came to this board the cand
Kandinsky artwork that's yes corner so
um they um the only conditions really
were that um the down lighting be
installed which I think there are
already electrical boxes right there you
can see them on the on the building so
that they're down lit with um some
appropriate fixtures and that the
background that it be painted on um some
kind of a variation of white or or
whatever color there was a lot of
flexibility um so that it kind of goes
with that whole theme of artwork on the
side of the building which is something
that the ARB would like to see continued
in that area main stream all right so
those were the two conditions they
were very enthusiastic
fantastic Tim tell us a little bit about
what your client wants to do here and
why and why we should approve it um I'm
going to let my client do that all right
um but I will introduce her and I am
also enthusiastically in favor of this
as not only her attorney um but there
someone who found the site for her so
everyone needs to support it please um
but uh we all know that beex needs a
good breakfast lunch restaurant and um
and I think this is a great solution so
this is Kathleen hi and she is she can
speak much better about her product uh
product and project than I can Kathleen
give me your full name because it's not
on the record here it's Kathleen day
with a K my nickname's Catalina um my
first name's an though I go by Kathleen
all right fair enough all right I first
of all thank you all so much you guys
are even more enthusiastic than
Clintonville was so I'm just grilled um
I also wanted to just say Catal is all
about history and community so we're
going to play on that with the art and
some interior art but um I think I'm
here just to mainly ask for the patio
variants Catalina is known for my patio
people love to linger there in the
Summers and spring especially even
winter now um so I'm just asking to
expand the patio and the Landscaping as
for the drawings correct that what we're
mainly talking
about right and is is the kitchen going
to remain in the back it tell us how the
layout is I see it here but it's hard
for me to decipher all the kitchen stuff
yeah the kitchen's in the back the
layout changes a little bit there's not
going to be a kitchen out front like
there currently is there's going to be
more seating um I'm fast casual so a
similar setup but um order at the
counter is that your answer your
question
yep and how many employees do you have
at one time say Peak peak
hours um obviously my projections you
know if they're accurate uh I'd say peak
in the summer at just this location yes
um
20 okay so are you okay with parking for
your employees oh I see why you're
asking the question 20 would never I
have a lot of part-time employees so I
would say maximum at one time would be
eight okay um and a lot of people walk
or bike and um I think the the employees
are never really an issue and I have
options if they are um I also have
parking Sundays and Saturdays are the
busiest days and I uh on Sunday I can
park at the
Florest next door so I'll probably have
my employees parked there oh At The
Florist yeah okay gotcha but I
personally that we will figure it out
because I want plenty parking for the uh
the customers but with that much parking
I think we'll be fine it's more parking
than my other
location I mean when you think about the
short not the short North but the
Harrison Place location that's a smaller
lot correct as is Clintonville
hu um out of curiosity how many spots do
you have in
Clintonville in Clintonville um so I
share it with two other tenants I
technically have 10.5 I
believe yeah academic question yeah yeah
yeah is there anybody in the audience
that is here
to uh voice a an opinion Pro or con this
application I don't see the indication
of
such
um are the conditions that were
mentioned uh acceptable to you the
conditions to the well Tim I ask you
that question is it more of a legal
question yeah the answer is yes okay
good all right um any other questions or
comments from members of the
board I just a clerical thing I didn't
see the what Jason was talking about on
the staff report oh the did not make it
on there oh it was printed out in front
of us thank you I'm sorry I was looking
on just make sure it gets uploaded to
the yeah yes the PDF yeah
okay
I'll just say we're really excited to
have this here so um it looks great I
think it'll be a great addition to it
and I I Kathy kind of took the question
I had before I even got the chance to
answer it or ask it I mean um about the
signage I I remembered the Boston Market
sign being very large so I think this
all look wonderful so thank you just to
mention also about the sign
the poll sign is coming down oh okay um
it's non-conforming the Boston Market
sign oh that's great so that will be
gone which so it'll just be the building
sign yeah okay nice that's great yeah um
if uh you decide to move forward uh we'd
request two separate motions then one
for the variance one for the certificate
of appropri I would think we probably
should break it up like that you know
and really I was just doing some math
here that the width of the sign is
really
only let's see 16 point something feet
it's not right that wide a sign you're
getting penalized a little bit because
of the 16.25 height of it I think but uh
I mean it's certainly a uh already I
don't know how long you've been in
business but the sign is pretty well
known you know it's definitely you
good all right um let's break it Dan and
Kathy if you could give us the first
finding of fact conclusions of
law the findings of fact and decision of
the board for application number bz ap-
24-1 for property located at 2741 East
Main Street upon consideration of the
application proposed variance and
evidence testimony before it the board
finds the applicant has proven that the
criteria to Grant an area variance inex
section 1226 11c have been met in a 7.5
foot variance from beex code section
12605 to ow a 32.5 squ foot
sign
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and well I'll leave the other items yeah
let's do that one okay shall be shall be
granted as submitted uh in the plans
reviewed at the February 22nd 2024 bcap
meeting okay does that meet with your
understanding and your consent it does
all right
do I hear a motion to accept the
findings of fact and conclusions of law
so move shik Mr shik thank you sir
second Kingler thank you Mr
Clinger Kathy please call the role Miss
Dorne yes Mr Kingler yes Mr schik yes
chairman behal I vote Yes and the
variance is granted and the second
findings and fact please the board the
findings and faing decision of the board
for application number bz ap- 24-1 for
property located at 2741 East Main
Street uh restaurant known as
Catalina's the board finds after review
of the plans and consideration of the
application and evidence and testimony
given and recommendations of the
architecture review board the board
finds that a certificate of
appropriateness should be issued for
2741 East Main Street in substantial
conformance with the rendering and pl
submitted to the board and subject to
the following conditions that
the background colors of the artwork
have a background to complement the
building and that the proper light
fixtures over the
artwork are reviewed by staff prior to
installation and that the landscape plan
is further subject to review and
approval by the tree and public garden
commission okay I think you covered it
all that acceptable you
it is question when is that the next
meeting uh February 20th I I'm sorry
March third Wednesday in
March so that is March 20th do I hear a
motion to approve the findings of fact
conclusions of law with regard to the
certificate of
appropriateness I move to Kingler Mr
Kingler thank you sir second second
Dorne Miss Dorne thank you
um Kathy please call the role Mr schik
yes Miss Dorne yes Mr Kingler yes
chairman behof I vote Yes certificate is
granted good luck this is a great
project I think all of Bexley is quite
excited about this so and I I hope you
do well I think excited thank you thanks
for the nice uh job of fixing that place
up too looks very
good all right the next
case is
application bc-
24-2 involving 861 Chelsea the applicant
is Victoria Elliott who also happens to
be the owner you want to come forward
Miss Elliot the applicant is Seeking a
variance from uh for a one foot variance
from the fence height limit for a 1 foot
retaining wall and a six- foot fence on
the Alley property line in the rear of
the facility correct correct all right
if you'd raise your right hand you swear
or affirm that testimony you give to the
board this evening will be the truth the
whole truth and nothing but the truth
they do thank you very much all right
Kathy this one's yours probably it is
tell us a little bit about it so this
property is in the R6 zoning District um
the lot has a six foot high fence in the
rear yard and the grade along the rear
of this property actually slopes down at
the the last four feet up to the or down
to the alley um the code indicates that
artificially raising the height of a lot
line by or gr on the lot line by the use
of mounding retaining walls or similar
means shall be included with the 72inch
maximum height restriction on fences so
when that retaining wall is one foot
plus with a six foot fence on top of
that in order to align that new fence
with the existing fence along the sidey
yard so that would have to be included
in with the retaining wall taking that
to a 7 foot
height um the applicant has provided uh
photographs of other similar situations
along this alley right
um also the
uh a six foot Pence can be placed in the
same location as the proposed retaining
wall and fence and not be required to be
angled where the fence meets the garage
the applicant may want to to visit
review the proposed location and further
consider to locate the fence further
from the side of the garage to provide a
place for the trash cans to be serviced
off the alley um as well as better
visibility for Alley traffic otherwise
they would have to place those cans
probably in front of the door they're on
the other side of the garage actually
okay yeah pad for the can there okay
great uh and if the board finds it
appropriate to Grant a one foot variance
toex Cod section 12 6403
any consideration related to the Final
Fence location should be addressed as a
conditional required staff
review
okay you the ARB didn't weigh in on this
one did they nope things I have nothing
for you okay I'm getting used to it
don't
worry
hey all right so Miss Elliot tell us
what you're generally trying to
accomplish here here so we get a feel
for what you want to do as as the
homeowner yeah so we uh just recently
moved and we're big uh raised bed
gardeners and so when I uh put an offer
on the house from Colorado I was shocked
when we got to the living room and
realized the backyard was a lot smaller
um so when we toured the alley I was
hoping to build our push our fence out a
little bit like our neighbors have sorry
sorry she has been sworn in yes she has
okay I'm Mighty sorry go ahead sorry can
you hear her oh sorry I can speak louder
so we were just hoping to push the fence
out a little bit in the back so we could
have more room to build garden beds in
our backyard and not encroach on all of
the backyards SP or most of that space
cool so that's the real goal to just
it's not a big distance to push it out
but really just to be able to have a
little bit more room in the back for the
beds and it really looks like what
you're proposing is pretty much in in
line with what's already back there in
other properties along that same
Alleyway yeah the fence actually behind
us even if we kept the our fence at the
exact same height so what we're
proposing we can actually see their
fence stick out far above our fence
which might be from their property line
but it's it would be less so than what
the other neighbors have actually
done so is the the goal in putting the
retaining wall is to make that whole um
land level with the rest of the yard so
I think it was the four foot slope down
you said Kathy so no the four foot
distance where the existing fences to
the alley okay and there's a foot it
slopes down approximately a foot so so
she's leveling it to be even okay yeah
exact and then just to keep the fence
the same the fence along the sidey yard
is actually like my guess is like one of
the original F really old it's a really
old fence on the side there where like
the bottom red line is and so it's
actually a little less than six feet um
so that was a little bit of a Grace
we're going to try to match it up with
the same height as that one so instead
of it having to slope down in the back
um the goal is really to keep the fence
exactly the same all along the sides in
the back and due to that fact she may
not require the whole 12
inch you know variance but I just
figured I'd you know put it at that
point so anything less than that is
still fine yeah and I could I mean when
I tried to measure how far the grade was
from the bottom of the fence to the
alley I estimated about a foot but that
inch or two that we may knock off the
fence might be in that grade a bit right
so I am also want to make sure that I'm
clear on as you exit the garage
there that you have some sight lines in
case kids are run down the alley or and
so is is this angle that I'm looking at
in this picture on the right is that
lost that angle the angle of the fence
uhuh so I we Kathy and I talked about
that a little bit and that like I don't
know exactly what like you can see the
angle of the garage pad like the
concrete pad there and I could mimic
that line the line that's there along
the fence right now is really
exaggerated from the um from the current
like garage Pad but I think whatever you
all feel would be the best like as far
as vision goes um but we can definitely
create more of an angle um most of my
neighbors there do not have an angle or
they're very like a small angle um so I
and I haven't asked them like how their
vision is when they're backing out but
um yeah but I would be open to whatever
you all felt like was the the
best well our consideration in these
kinds of situations is
really to help you because you don't
want to run some kid over when you're
getting out of your garage either right
I mean absolutely you don't want to more
than we don't want you to right probably
yeah
but anything you do that creates a
little bit of a
vision angle there will be I think
helpful as opposed to a 90 degree where
your car has to get literally out into
the alley before you can see anything
down here right right that makes sense
I would
certainly encourage you to do that
whether it needs to be a a condition of
of this I don't know
but we've tried to do that in some other
situations where we have people have the
fence built right up to their driveway
and then their sidewalk right yeah and
they're coming out of their driveway and
here's a six- foot fence and these kids
go are going to school and you know we
we got to think about how we can make
life better for everybody right
including you and so I I would
be you know in favor of instituting some
kind of an angle there that gives you a
little bit better Vision
perfect Kathy I have a question did we
look at the house that she has in the
picture that 850 is that one we
did possibly not if there is an
existing situation and they install
events it's not included in with that
but in this case she's modifying the lot
so we do have to include it in sure I
was just curious because it looks like
they come up to the edge but I was
wondering if maybe they have more of a g
you know a cement pad by their garage so
it's a little bigger coming out so I was
I was just curious to kind of learn from
what we did
before is also wider than the door so
they've got a little bit of space so
that fence is set back a little bit okay
because it looks like there might be
some distance between yeah here and
there right some and I think our the
landscaper we've been talking with has
talked said the same thing like
basically the distance of the uh the
paper block or I'm not sure the lingo
for that but yes that they would put the
fence similar to that that's
true we don't we don't have a setback on
alleys we do not I mean typ typically
the rear yard property line is
approximately 6 in off that alley
pavement and I mean staff's more than
happy to meet the applicant on site and
work with them if with you know site
issues just one caution uh wherever your
curb stop is for your water I don't know
if you've seen that but the curb the
water stopped shut off your house like
mine's in the rear alley so we held our
fence back because they have tools that
are approximately the handles are like
18 inches wide to get in there and turn
it oh so you need to hold your you need
to hold your fence back or or do
something or hold it up so they can
stick their tool all the way down in
there and turn it off because if you
ever have a watermain breake in your
house or they need to get to that okay
so and it's probably somewhere it's
probably somewhere where that basketball
hoop is right in there okay
so that's a very good point just think
about that good to know
yes all right is there anybody in the
audience that's here uh to comment on
this case one way or the other I don't
see any
indication
um I think
that what I'd like to do maybe is uh
condition this on the
applicant uh uh dealing with the vision
situation in with the and I don't know
you're not involved with this one I
would have to be with you is there a
minimum
or maximum distance that you recommend
you know when you're pulling out how far
down should they be able to see before
they're actually I mean that's a a good
frame for me to I know I mean I I think
they should be able to see at least you
know five to 10 feet okay Beyond where
they are now that angle I don't know I'd
have to do some trigonometry here uh to
uh figure that out but uh but something
where you have a little bit more than
the 90°
and uh I think you're just as involved
or in making that work for you so if I
were you I would just work with the with
the uh uh department and come up with
something that works for you but also uh
is is uh on the safe side okay okay
would that just be meeting back with
Kathy okay yeah you don't have to come
back to us no okay we
We Trust Kathy I'm a little hesitant to
place an exact condition on this um
we'll meet on site I don't want to put a
measurement on it okay yeah I mean I I
come up with that number off the top of
my head right so it's got I don't have
any uh
mathematical yeah I might be able to but
I'm not gonna hoist my capability level
on his Elliot here it's hard too because
we have a because I was gonna say we we
currently use it the garage for our car
um but if we did we also have the backup
camera which I feel like has a like I
I'm hesitant to try to figure that out
of my own too right you know works so
well but and a lot of times people that
have that much of a approach off the
garage will actually parallel park along
the
alley neigh do that well all right I I
hear what you're saying it's a it's a
little bit too ethereal to be a
condition I I agree with that but so why
don't we just say that you're going to
run your ultimate plan by the building
and Zoning director from a standpoint of
safety and and visibility
perfect that work for everybody board
okay all right with that uh Kathy will
you read the findings of fact
conclusions the law the findings of fact
and decision of the board for
application number
vz- 24-2 for property located at 861
Chelsea
upon consideration of the application
proposed variance and evidence and
testimony before it the board finds the
applicant has proven the criteria to
Grant area variance in beic COD section
12261 c have been met and a one- foot
variance from beic Cod section 12 64.3 a
to allow a 1 foot retaining wall and a
six- foot fence along the rear property
line with the following conditions that
the applicant work with staff on
appropriate safe sight line beautiful
all right is that acceptable to you
absolutely all right thank you thank you
uh do I hear I'm
sorry well you can walk whenever we're
gonna vote whether you're there or not
so yeah great U does H do I hear a
motion to approve the finding of fact
conclusions of law so
moved second thank you m dor Kathy
please call the Mr Kingler yes Miss
Dorne yes Mr shik yes yes chairman beh I
vote Yes also good luck that's good
project welcome to Bexley thank you
appreciate
it all right
the final case is case bcap
24-3 and it involves 690 Vernon the
applicant is Ryan brothers landscaping
and the owner is Sharon Stanley the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and a recommendation for a
certificate of appropriate witness for a
new front porch garage Edition and
variances from the required
setback Mr Ryan yes would you raise your
right hand please do you swear or affirm
the testimony you're going to give this
evening will be the truth the whole
truth and nothing but the truth I do
thank you sir all right Kathy give us a
little background here from the staff's
perspective please uh this lot is 40
foot by 135 feet and the r six zoning
standard L size is 50 ft by 120 ft this
application was before the ARB who did
not have a problem with the overall
design but due to the lack of details
they proposed a recommendation to
proceed to bza with a remand back to the
airb for final design review should the
variance be
granted staff has questions regarding
the setback from the property line of
the existing principal structure
mortgage survey found and the property
file conflicted with the measurements
taken in the field we have since
obtained boundary survey and it ruled
out the need for a variance from the
front property line uh the code allows
an open porch to encroach 10 feet into
the front yard setback the proposed open
porch will only encroach six feet Mexico
section 12529 further requires a 6
point6 6.5 foot setback I
got and from the side property line the
existing principal structure is six feet
from the side property line and this
porch is a continuation of that side
setback so it would require a 6in
variance for the proposed front
porch uh the applicant is also seeking
design review and approval to allow an
attached pergola off the garage with the
seating area underneath the updated
survey also showed the detach garage to
be 2.9 feet from the north side property
line mexic code section 12
52.1
15 uh
GA requires accessory structures to be 3
ft from the side property line the
addition is not an encroachment on the
required set back it is simply an
expansion of a non-conforming structure
the residential district requires two
off street parking spaces for a dwelling
unit the existing garage currently
provides one parking space and there is
an 18 by10 driveway between the alley
and the garage which provides the
additional parking space I suggested
that the applicant might want to
construct the covered porch off the side
of the garage in such a manner that it
could also be used as additional covered
parking the overall building loot
coverage total loot coverage incl
including Hardscape meets code if the
board finds it appropriate to allow for
the expansion of the non-conforming
garage in accordance with bexo Section
12525 GA and for the addition of the
open porch to CR 6 Ines into the 6.5
foot required sidey
setback the board should consider a
remand back to the architecture review
board for final review of design details
if they are not yet revealed and I will
defer to Karen to address those details
okay thank you very much
Karen um as you can see from the
drawings the the idea of the
architecture was there but not the
details for example how the posts meet
the the eaves and the column details so
the architecture review board would like
for them to come back to them for final
design
review okay pending zoning
approval okay
so Pat tell us a little bit about what
your why you're thinking about doing it
this particular way and then we G have
some questions for you so Sharon's been
trying to get this done off and on for
about three or four years she had the
idea of it she's lived there I think for
about 20 years and the house needs a
facelift I mean it's um you know it's
it's dated as you can see in the
pictures so you know she talked about
doing like a three seasons room and that
kind of fell apart so we just she wants
to be able to sit out front wave the
neighbors wants more of like a a front
presence so we that's why we did that in
the back you know she wanted a covered
space to sit out you know um and when
it's allowable in central Ohio and that
was really kind of the only obvious
place that we thought that it would it
could go if you tried to put it in
between the house and the garage it kind
of looked jumbled no matter if we did a
hip roof or attach it to the you know
the back of the house so that's that's
where he landed and then Kathy you know
we were going to do it short of a car
space because we didn't know that's was
allowable in um on Vernon and then we
talked about moving it out so actually
get two cars you know one in the garage
one covered like kind of like a dual
purpose whether she's using it or now
you know maybe the winter time she Parks
underneath there and the summertime she
you know does
not and would she get back there I mean
looks like she got to go reg grass to
get there that was going to be like a
crushed Limestone so we could extend
that you know like and that was kind of
our thought is off the off she's going
to have to have a new driveway put in
um eventually we'll if we get this we'll
do the building permit for that one um
and it would just be for same for same
but on the side of that where we had
kind of a walkway you know we could
easily do that in like a a gold dust or
you number nine Limestone to make it
look like the rest of it but not
concrete and my point was is she does
have the two required off- street
parking spaces however she might want to
consider modification so that she could
actually use that as covered perking not
required but it's a good
idea and where does the fence come in
along here so the fence will be they
have a chain Ling fence and we're going
to just pull that down and put up a new
one that's going to be four feet I
believe it was the in in the drawings it
show six but I don't think this is EAS
so like I'm looking at this yes picture
so does the fence like come where the
fence is like basically it's going to
come to the
driveway um I don't know if we have an
existing picture up there I was just
curious because it seems like it would
cut off the right entrance to the and
she's interested in like a sliding gate
too oh that way if she does get like the
you know second parking spot like yeah
that's yeah that's good idea put some
casters on it and horizontal slide it
okay I was just curious sure yeah valid
question I I don't think we have that in
that rendering
um yeah but that is part of the part of
the thought
process
so the
um really the garage is already too
close to the sidey yard and you're not
getting any closer with this you're
you're adding something to the other
side of the garage right correct and
with regard to the house the house is
already six feet away from the sidey so
it's I guess we'd have to tear the whole
house down and move it six inches you
know or we could just give you a very so
you're you're staying right on the same
line as the house though right yes okay
so
and there's no front
yard problem yeah we had a mortgage
survey that showed it was 20 feet and he
literally sent me a video showing his
with wheel all the way to the face of
the house that showed 32 feet and that
front property line is two feet behind
the sidewalk so after making a few phone
calls we got a copy of the boundary
survey which did show 30 feet oh did it
okay I doubt whether a surveyor would
make that big an error you know unless
this pen wasn't working or something it
was old old or maybe the surveyor was
old the surveyor the
surveyor we'll never
know is there anybody here uh Pro or con
this
matter thank you um does everybody feel
like they've got a feel for the
situation any questions or comments
about
it you okay with going back to the yes
uh absolutely I me that's yeah board
with more
details all
right okay so do we need two finding on
this one as well would you like me to
combine
it I think we combine this one okay yeah
because it's a remand back all right so
the findings of decision of the board
for application number bz ap- 24-3 for
property located at 690 Vernon upon
consideration of the application
proposed variance at evidence and
testimony before it the board finds the
applicant has proven that the criteria
to Grant an area variance at be code
section 12 2611 C have been met and a
six variance from beas code section 12
52.0
n b to allow an open porch
addition and and an
expand
and in accordance with 12 52.1 15ga to
allow an addition to the detached garage
to allow the expansion of a
non-conforming structure shall be
granted uh with the condition that the
certificate of appropri return to the
architecture review board for review and
final determination of all improvements
and modifications shall be in compliance
with the certificate of appropriateness
approved by the ARB subject to design
details being submitted
okay P that work for you yes it is all
right do I hear a motion to approve the
findings of fact conclusions of
law so moved Mr
Clinger second please second second Miss
Dorne Kathy please call the role Miss
Dorne yes Mr Kingler yes Mr schik I
abstain
chairman Vall I vote Yes which is the
last vote you needed to successfully get
your variance and certificate so
congratulations it's a nice liquid
project and I appreciate the owner
refurbing this house it really does need
an uplift and she's doing a nice job
yeah it look nice yeah it will thank you
all appreciate it have a good
night
last
thanks
uh is there any other old business
before the board this evening there is
not thank thank you for coming because
we really would have had to
cancel yeah thank you yes thank
you yeah no no that's okay I just
so it was just bizarre everyone was out
of town so thank you guys for we
appreciate you're coming too and uh
anyway to get going yes yeah yeah yeah
absolutely pancake
balls all right if there's no further
business we'll adjourn the meeting until
next time