put my yeah
we'll call to order the Architectural
Review Board uh February 8 2024 can we
have a roll call Mr H higher here Mr
Hall here M ster here Miss Jones here
chairman Scott
here has the board had a chance to
review uh
minutes are there any comments that the
board members would like to
add uh I have reviewed them and I had
some comments that uh if incorporated
then then they're then then then I've
reviewed
them that have been Incorporated in that
I sent I believe you sent them to me and
I forwarded them on to Elizabeth okay
okay and I had just one comment did I
get that ran oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
okay um no additional comments can we
have a motion to approve the minutes I
make a motion to approve H second
higher all in favor I I all
opposed minut it's
approved thank you uh we have a little
deviation from our agenda items listed
on the screen um we as the board need to
um take a vote for our renewal of our
chairperson and vice chair uh I would
open up the board for any
discussion no discussion do we have a
motion I'll make a motion to uh have
suzan Tony continue as chair of the
board and Pete Scott continue as Vice
chair I'll second
that I will call the role hire
yes Paul yes ster yes Jones yes chairman
Scott uh I obain yes
okay you accept I
accept uh this is the point in the our
meeting where we have opened up the mic
for public comment uh to any comments
the public would like to address the
board um related to our agenda items
tonight are there anybody that'd like to
speak seeing none we'll move to our old
business uh we have two applications
that have been tabled um to the March 14
2024 ARB meeting Bap
2323 2200 East Main Street applicant
Ryan Pearson and ARB
23-36 217 North Stanwood applicant
Anthony p
now can we make that a motion and vote
on
it to table to the March I'll make a
motion to table those two items till the
March 14th meeting thank you I
second I will call the rooll Mr Hall yes
Mr hire yes Mr Jer yes M Jones yes
chairman Scott yes
thanks next one is
the consent items is that 23 39 yep our
next um item is a consent we have two
consent agenda items um the first one is
Bap
23-39 um and which is also arv
2343 126 South Park View applicant Jim
sorl and the Bap
23-38 919 new Clair applicant Brenda
Parker um just for the record I would
say that these two applications were
here last month they moved to Bap both
were approved for their
variances um both of them did um just
about almost everything that you asked
for um the board members have seen it uh
and accepted the changes and have no any
anything that any board member has told
me that they still want added the
applicant has agreed to so we're
good we just need a motion any final
board
comments uh just add that
um request that the applicants uh work
with the design consultant on final
details to get them
right thank you do we have a
motion I make a motion to approve Hall
second
ster we have roll call Mr H yes Mr Hall
yes Mr ster yes Miss Jones yes chairman
Scott
yes our new business tonight the first
application number is Bap
24-1 address is 2741 East Main Street
applicant is Matthew
loans the applicant is uh seeking
Architectural Review and recommendation
of a certificate of appropriat
to the board in zoning and planning for
modification to an existing building a
patio expansion and new signage for the
a new restaurant is the applicant
present please come
in be sworn in turn that mic
on thank you thank
you please state your name um Matt lonus
do you somly swear from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I do thank you uh one question the
um owner of the business she had a
procedure joh medical procedure so she
couldn't be here this night she is on
the phone is it something that she is
allowed to speak without being sworn in
or is that a no that's a great
question um we've had that come up
before and my recollection is that um s
the council to the city said no okay
perfect no problem so she can listen in
listen in and you can talk to her
perfect um so appreciate everyone
looking uh reviewing our project
uh so she is bringing her business to to
Bexley uh this she has two previous
locations or other locations one in
Clintonville and one in uh Harrison West
I believe uh with that she is um very
committed to the local community she
sources all of her ingredients from from
the areas in which she's in as much as
she can she also gets um in with the
artist to help
decorate the inside and do artwork and
stuff on the inside as well as uh she
does like murals on the outside of her
her establishment which we show on some
of the documents here the current
building is the old Boston Market and uh
the building's a little tired uh so with
uh Kathleen coming in to to back she
like to do a little refresh uh one is to
uh on the outside of the building to
paint everything white uh still with the
uh darker gray band at the bottom uh
there will be a red accent band uh on
the canopy the existing canopy nothing
changes on the outside of the building
well I take that back the the color
changes on the outside of building but
also we we'd like to add three windows
on the east and west sides to um allow
more light in also to get the
pedestrians to be able to see what's
going on there to make the building a
little bit more
approachable the idea of adding a patio
or enlarging the patio one is the
monument sign that's currently there
does not meet the current requirements
for signage so we remove that the
Landscaping is also um a little tired so
uh by increasing the patio it helps her
establishment out of uh outside dining
uh with that her business model is
breakfast to lunch there is no dinner so
she is finished at 3 to 4 o'clock in the
day
um so no late uh dining establishments
or anything like that so with that the
patio is a pretty key component to her
business during uh the warmer months the
railing that you see there is a brand
that she uses or that she keeps standard
with all of her locations or previous
two locations so we'd like to keep that
if possible the signu as well is uh
characteristics of all her other
locations the graphics on the sides of
the building you can see there we have
uh three on the east side and we were
proposing to put some type of
landscaping uh in there to separate
those pieces that is uh done by an
artist a local artist on the west side
is also um a rendering that is done or
artwork that is done by the same artist
she picks up some of those things on the
inside as well
um any questions
from you guys or anything I left out we
are doing new Landscaping Landscaping
plan is part of the package
um does the the murals on the side of
the building count as signage gu the
percentage of allowable signage no it's
uh I would consider that
artwork and we don't charge fees for
artistic improvements so I don't think
it'll be frowned upon by the zoning
board
okay um before we I turn it over to the
board I'd like to offer a chance for
anybody in the public to have standing
on this project if they want to come up
and speak we'd love to hear from
you seeing none uh we'll turn it to the
board Mr roster would you like to start
please sure I'll start I I didn't have
time to drive by today and I couldn't
remember are those all new windows on
the North
are the East and West sides or
something's existing yeah so we're
matching the first set of Windows on the
east and west side are existing and then
the next two or three uh would be new
windows so uh the plan shows the
appropriate I think the rendering is is
old there should be we go to the
architectural there's another
one um might one on each side adding two
more each side great right there's three
currently yeah see yeah and now the the
plan is now four so the
renderings they are correct okay and is
the current window just one big glass P
like that
yeah so we're matching existing material
and
size same on the front the front is
existing yeah we're not touching the
front
now
okay was there any consideration to
change in the type of of instead of just
a big glass pane any consideration to
softening that a little bit yeah we um
the the client is uh leasing the
building uh so um the landlord isn't um
uh doesn't want too many modifications
done to the building um so we're we're
asking for this if this gets approved
she's willing for us to do this
um if if you guys say no she's I think
she's fine with it remaining how it is
so uh so we didn't try to deviate and
want to incur any more costs being that
um no dollars are being given to the
client to update the building I see no
credit no no tenant Improvement budget
zero yeah okay thanks for that
information
J yeah I think you know in general it's
a could be a really nice Improvement to
that part of Bexley um I'm very familiar
with her Harrison West location and um
yeah I mean I I think the design as
presented currently certainly is an
upgrade from what's there currently
thank
you I should have mentioned I'm very
excited so
we're all happy you're we're all happy
she's coming delighted beyond words well
I can tell you that she would would
rather be here than be on the phone um
she's excited to be here as well and she
is very much entrenched into the Arts so
she really likes the idea of a local
artist and I think it fits well with
Bexley so um I think once she gets here
I think you guys will be really happy
with her being part of the new new
backley
so Mr
so remind me of the existing materials
on the outside is it all ephus yeah the
whole building is stco epas um it is uh
they had bands it's kind of like an R
deco style building that's what I Y and
we are trying to figure out ways to make
the banding up top be a little bit more
than just letting it be a blank surface
and it became really difficult when it
comes around to the front with the
signage and what have you it started
become a little bit too busy uh so she
went with more of a um comp palet and
and let the artwork kind of be part of
it so I guess my question comes you're
you're painting the existing canopy and
everything the the coping cap it's Minor
Detail in the big picture here but I'm
I'm wondering what color that is that
would be right now it's a uh have a
brown like a taupe uh okay to match are
you going to paint it that's correct you
are okay it would be red to match the
band as well so you are going to go and
do like what renderings are yes yep no I
I'm I'm excited about this I know my
family is about her coming to the
neighborhood and everything so I think
it's gonna be a nice addition to the
main street thank
you I live two blocks away and I've been
waiting for this day for a long
time and I I hope I don't too much
weight by going there but um I'm really
excited about it I know my family is um
are you aware of the the art gallery
that's um almost opposite main street
from you at the corner of G and Maine
there's a art gallery and on the side of
the building they have copies of
Kandinsky paintings that are lit with
you know sort of overhead um arm lights
so when we when you come into Bexley
from the East side you know they might
not be right aligned with each other but
if there was a way to put lights over
the artwork yeah then you would have
this sort of you know effect of you know
Bexley loves art because we'll have the
kinis on one side and we'll have yours
on the other side funny you mention that
the the east side of the building has
three lights currently there so we
positioned those right below the black
dots those are existing lights and we
put there so we didn't want to change
the light fixtures because we didn't
know if that would be um an issue she is
very very much into
unique uh life fixtures so inside you'll
see there's been quite a few selections
that are unique um so on the outside um
if it's something that we we have
aligned those with with the life
fixtures and um she is she would be
willing to modify those light fixtures
if it was something that the board would
would like to see so well as long as it
can wash the artwork clearly I mean if
it's too tight to the building you you
might not get that but if it stands out
a little bit she just sent me some goose
neck life pictures when parking lot for
for that asking if this would be
appropriate so so that's that's one
comment is you know if you can look at
the um the gallery and what they've done
on G yes I think you might get some
other ideas and uh be able to highlight
that artwork but I'm also wondering if
you could frame the artwork a little
more clearly yeah you have these windows
that you have on the ground floor and
you're adding a couple could you then
continue that shape around your artwork
it wouldn't have to be like all the way
down the building but you know maybe it
gets more sporadic but um that would
help I think eliminate the sort of white
box effect even if it maybe it's maybe
instead of a like a line border maybe
it's just a like a neutral color sure
that forms the rectangle which
definitely we can definitely do that and
then the only other thing I if you can
go to the model views from the street
there's um yeah so like here you have
these three squares you know why not
space these out a little bit more so
they equal what's going on with the
window we were trying to line up at the
end of the canopy oh with the canopy so
it didn't pass by that so we were trying
to get it large enough to where it would
still be legible from well then then
maybe it's a longer rectangle you know
that is a neutral color behind well it
would just be one one yeah is there not
four Windows
though the plane is correct the
architect corre yeah Auto there's four
windows so that's that art is being
pushed past that canopy so the Art's
being pushed past the canopy okay
correct that correct the canop is longer
the canop is longer longer uh oh yeah
measure the the architecture the 2D
drawings are accurate the rendering the
renderer takes I guess exception to
making it their own well you know what I
mean you just even if even if the uh
live love local is they're that they you
want them close together you don't want
to divide them but if you could just
create like uh a neutral background for
them might be darker than the white but
whatever and then the only other comment
I had are these actually inset in the uh
in the ephas are there steps there
they're actually projected out an inch
okay so that was my comment is in the
rendering you don't see that shadow line
right but in reality you're going to see
these two stripes from the shadow line
which really will set off the text of
the of the Catalina's sign on the front
now we're really really excited so happy
to have her here um so that's that's all
I have we can definely pick up those
your
comments uh I agree with all that's been
said um I I the renderings took me back
because it looked very Stark and modern
um and I think the subtle bands and I
think in one of the renderings you do
catch a shadow of the of the
Bands yeah yeah the front the front view
it's the front view so I think that
helps settle because I was I would like
to have seen a little bit off color just
a shade different color just to
accentuate those slightly I don't think
they want to be blue or red I think that
would take away from the facade but but
I think the shadow line will give you
enough effect in reality that'll it'll
work I also agree with potentially this
this this kind of art Gateway into the
from the East side is is interesting uh
and it's great that these two projects
are one is finished and this is moving
forward you know there's already one of
the center artworks has this Frame
around it so you're already one of those
pieces has it it could easily be just
paint on a wall even for the other two
kind of Graphics but a way to kind of
pick up that Rhythm of the windows would
help kind of unify that facade down
there I think it would just help with
help help with that you know if that
light fixture is able to be funky and
change I think I would be supportive of
that because I think it'd be interesting
to have these kind of interesting
exterior light fixtures than just kind
of this modern tube if that's really
what that's representing uh and I also
would worry that it's too close to the
building so you're getting a tight wash
most likely instead of this more of what
you're looking for to kind of accentuate
that artwork in the evening okay one
question is is there any plans for
lighting the patio I know the canopy
will probably have a couple lights in it
the all exterior lighting we were
leaving how is being her being her uh oh
she's not an evening right she's not
open uh so okay so that ever changes
maybe there's an option to um yeah if I
I don't believe there's ever an idea of
having dinner it's always going to be up
to
lunch dinner yeah is there any plans and
I I I haven't been by lately um to do
any sort of Graphics in these large
glass window Bays we have not had any
discussions with any any type of signage
or anything on the actual glass blazing
zero yeah because I think that I mean I
think what you're presenting in the
runers is is creative and interesting
and I think it would work well I think
if if the glass started to get you know
all these different types of 29 cents
this or you know or if it was
interesting art it could be very cool so
just interested to see if you had any
plans for that no is there room inside
to actually have artwork displayed from
the inside well yeah that's that's part
of her her style so yes there will be
um on the the east side above the banket
there will be areas there to hopefully
local artist to to present you know
display their their artwork uh when you
come in on the on the order side on the
west side there is a large board there
that has the menu on it on that wall so
it' be down the East
face oh yeah that right there would be a
location for local artwork but I I mean
I mean in front of these
windows you would display art for the
people driving by to see through the
window we we haven't talked about
anything with the glazing to to make it
we were just leaving that open it's
something that we can definitely look at
and to have it so it could be presented
to the U pedestrians as they're walking
by 100% because it doesn't affect the
glass it's just an object that would be
behind the glass
yes
are there any other board comments I had
a question regarding the signage so the
rendering shows the hollowed out letters
with the bulbs is that the true yeah
style the um there's a cut of the
signage okay that is the the signage
that she has on every building which
matches that okay um rendering and the
color is a rust color and that's what
the band everything will match the the
assign each
color and this is uh our vote tonight is
a uh recommendation to of a certificate
of appropri to the board in zoning and
planning or
modifications um to the existing
building the patio expansion and we've
covered we've talked about the patio
expansion
um do we want to read the findings of
facts or do you have any other final
comments to the board my only comment is
well this be great if it starts a trend
on that end of Main Street where um
outdoor art is really a part of every
building there's an empty lot over there
there you go that'd be
great so the findings of fact and
decision of the board for application
number bz ap- 24-1 for property located
at 2741 East Main Street uh the board
recommends a certificate of
appropriateness
subject to the review and approval by
the board of zoning and planning with
the following conditions that and that
is for
the modifications to the existing
building patio expansion new signage for
this new
restaurant uh subject to proper light
fixtures over the
artwork and artwork to have a background
color a shade off from the facade
color
understand these findings of act I do we
have a motion so
moved second
Hall I'll call the rooll Miss
ster yes Miss Jones yes Mr Hall yes Mr H
higher yes chairman Scott yes motion
approved thank
you
our next application is Bap 24-3 at 690
Veron applicant is Ryan brothers
landscaping Ryan and owner is Sharon
Stanley the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and recommendation
of certificate of appropriateness to the
board in zoning and planning for a new
front porch garage addition and
variances from required setback the
applicant is present can it please be
sworn in please state your name starting
with ma'am Sharon Stanley Pat Ryan do
you somly swear or affirm the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth yes yes thank you okay floor is
yours so Sharon has been in beex for a
long long time loves the community loves
the walking aspect of it she's been
trying to get a front porch now for
about three years uh she would love to
be able to sit out and wave with the
passerbys and right now that porch is
not conducive so we're going to try to
give a little facelift um the house um
when was the last time
you have you how long you been there
I've been there 23 years 23 years and
this is the first time I've wanted well
the last three years that I've wanted to
do something that I was able
to and then in the back we talked about
doing we're doing that too Kathy right
the front and the back oh expansion to
the garage yes yeah so we wanted a
covered space that she can enjoy the
outdoors and it wasn't a real good place
other than doing that with the property
lines being where they they were and the
um the distance between the house and
the garage it wasn't just quite right so
we talked about doing a pavilion you
know a covered pergola basically off the
side of the garage that allow Sharon to
have a covered space to enjoy the
outdoors we'd have a standing seam
roof um concrete that we'd overlay with
decking
and there's a concrete um off the side
of that we have not talked about exactly
what material that's going to be whether
that's a paper or um just broom finish
concrete acid stain that that far we
have not gotten to we've not g that far
excuse
me anything else that's it you like me
to do question
oh we're gonna have a staff report sorry
I'm new to this you made that easier for
me oh sorry um really what um no problem
um it works fine either way um Pat and I
talked um before this and in fact we
have some additional drawings that were
added I think two days ago so if you
haven't seen them I can pull them up um
Pat's been before us uh Ryan brothers
landscaping has been before us quite a
few times beautiful landscape work but
as
um we get into more building we have
worked together to try to refine the
drawing techniques because we really
need to see and we've talked about this
already more of a refined Hardline
drawing so we could see the details of
like the the like like here the how the
post meets you
know the the roof everything um so these
drawings will have to be much more
detailed for construction permits um
after you know talking back and forth
and talking to Kathy and realizing this
is a BAP application that needs to go to
zoning um we decided that um it really
might as well come here first so we can
talk talk through um conceptually
perhaps up to the board move to zoning
to see if that that zoning is okay and
but my staff recommendation would be a
back here with the appropriate drawings
with details which is only two two weeks
later and it would be part of the
process anyway is an extend your time um
but these kind of drawings need to be
more developed for permitting got I'm
happy to see that you're getting into
building as well as Landscaping we need
to develop the drawing as yeah I
understand that yeah I appreciate your
patience and guidance 2K oh no problem
it's a pleasure because you've been
you've done such great work but we have
to kind of keep up with what's expected
and and I've I'm still doing some
background research on the property um
one of the items I wanted to point out
is this addition that shows the floor
plan when you look at that rendering it
shows that porch is perfectly square
floorwise and when you look at this
floor plan it shows a wall projecting
into there that actually is the roof of
the original structure that projects
into that space not a complete wall so
that should actually be square with the
porch yes um I do know there's a
variance required for the sidey yard
setback for this 40 foot wide lot
however
uh Pat has provided me with a dimension
of 32 feet from the sidewalk and I have
a survey that indicates it did be 22
feet from the sidewalk but he literally
sent me a video today with his roller
showing all 32 feet so roll I may have a
problem with the survey so I will be
doing some followup work on that as
well yes that's straight yeah
anything else from staff give you a
second chance thank you second no that's
it I mean my my recommendation would be
to go out with Cathy's research to to
push it on and as a recommendation with
the remand back here with detailed
drawings
okay at this time I'd like to offer
anybody in the audience that has
standing that likes to speak to this
project anybody in the
audience seeing none I'll turn it over
to the board Mr Hall would you like to
start
please I
think
the I don't have any problems with the
garage I think that kind of looks like
it's going to come together pretty well
I agree with the comments about
additional details I'm interested in
seeing those the front porch Edition
with the can we I'm a little concerned
about all the detailing in around where
that that Gable line is coming across
and then we're taking this sort of shed
roof and going into it you know right
now there's a like an ornamental it's
like rot iron yes um element coming down
off of that so I'm a little concerned
one what that's going to look and feel
like underneath and then two how do you
frame all this in and the details around
it um and then also you know you're
going to get a lot of comments about the
columns and how they intersect with the
the horizontal beam coming across
but I I think this piece over here on
the existing building sorry I'm trying
to get it side side there go and how
you're framing into that and and and and
really what that's going to look like
underneath I I'm not certain that that's
all really figured out and then how that
roof line
intersects with everything with the
overhang and getting flashing up in and
underneath all of that that's just
complicated okay and um I think that
really needs to be studied and I guess
you're proposing that I obviously the
one awning is going to come off um over
next to the door there's no awnings oh
the awnings are not there this is an old
piure down for two years okay fair
enough fair enough um so yeah that's my
I I I think the idea is good concept the
concept is good I think that it's just a
matter of how how you're going to wiggle
this thing in there and what's that mean
and is and is that flat shed roof is
that even the right shape for it got it
and and how
does you know and is there another
another roof form that might work better
with everything that's going on
too so you have any suggestions on me
was it be a hip Cricket I don't just
because I'm like you know
it's I think it would be really helpful
to do a roof plan okay
yeah I just think it needs to be
explored I I don't know if I have a
suggestion because I I'd have to really
sit and play with it and you know is it
another Gable that's coming
out we talked about that thought G be a
little busy yeah I a little busy so that
kind of that's what one of the things
that I do like about what's there is it
is minimal maybe that's more flat and
and doesn't slope maybe that's that's a
that's way to explore it and really just
sort of Express the edge of it a little
bit bigger fascia yeah yeah
that might help clean some detailing up
around that edge
too thank are there any before we we do
like a membrane roof is that allowable
as far as Architectural Review it is
okay no objections of
that no we we allow that okay I think if
you do choose to go that way that it's
really I mean it's important anyway but
yeah how you do the trim Works
understood
Mr
hire is is your intent with the railing
that's on the uh South Side to be able
to have you know chairs up against it so
that you just don't the chair doesn't
fall out the back right that's the idea
yes would you I mean okay so the seating
the seating arrangement is you need a
railing there because you're going to
range your chairs on that side and you
don't want them to to go falling off
this off the side initially I wanted
railings along to Define it because I'll
be sitting on this side here without the
porch cover and then in the porch as
well so down this side down this side in
the CL yeah because your neighbors have
those little wing walls that go around
and one's a rod iron the other one's a
wood
detail but here I I really like you're
doing yourself you're getting us hooked
on the model view here you know with
with this being open like that and I
mean I know you don't want the chairs to
fall off but I was thinking why not just
wrap the step all the way
around I mean you wouldn't need a
railing and I know that people would
probably uh their chairs would come off
the back but I did that on my front
porch it's a lot smaller than yours but
it we really enjoy it because we can go
out our front door and then go down the
steps in any direction to go around to
the back of the house go to the front
it's it's really also really nice to put
Plants and you can put plants on itts
yeah so I would consider making the step
wrap all the way around and you won't
need a you won't need a handrail and you
won't need uh a railing now as a
landscaper I have to ask where the
plants go in front of that is that just
poted plants is that just go into lawn
then is that what your no they would go
on the step you could put them on the
step the steps steps down go into the
lawn right got okay or the sidewalk
sidewalk right yeah the sidewalks only
be 36 Ines down the middle so right
steps are just tur into along yeah yeah
plant on the patio or on
the so the board will love this but you
know it'll feel like a greek temple
because you've got the steps going all
the way around and then you can really
have fun with the details on the 11 um
but yeah the details for the the posts
um there's a lot of opportunity there to
do some really you know fun but simple
do you have a material wreck that you
would recommend or expect specifically
for this house and seeing that the
design that we have I have square posts
on my house on grandon and we uh we
actually used uh um one inch or 3/4 inch
thick AAC board on a 4x4 okay and it
holds up incredibly same thing with the
steps you'd recommend that the St the
AAC oh yeah we used AAC for our porch
it's it's their porch material it's
solid polymer M um I recommend it over
the TimberTech the ones that have a sort
of particle board core Bas mix the AAC
is solid polymer and we've had it for
seven years and it's outstanding okay so
yeah it's a clean look and then when you
get to the details up top you can work
with the design consultant I'd love to
see it you know when it comes back for
all these things you're going to be
working out I don't I don't have a
problem with the roof intersection I
like I like the metal roof I like that
better than a than a membrane for sure
especially on the street side um and I
think you can work out that funny
overhang there and it'll disappear
because you'll have a nice ceiling
underneath yeah um so yeah t gr those
are just suggestions and I think you
could really have fun with it look
forward to seeing it next month awesome
thank
you Jones yeah I think I agree with a
lot of um the comments that have already
been said I think um love this standing
seam metal roof I think that's a really
nice touch and seems appropriate with
the existing building um and again yeah
I just think it's about really refining
those details I'm sure Karen has some
great suggestions um and can kind of you
know direct those um some of those
decisions can direct some of those
decisions but in general um yeah I think
it's would be a really nice addition to
the house so looking forward to seeing
it again just in short of a greek temple
but you can turn anything into classical
AR I have a question about the garage
the way you have that what you're
calling a patio could also be considered
an extra Bay for parking so I was
curious if that is low enough where you
could allow that so I mean every
property should have two off street
parking spaces if in fact you have
enough space between the garage and the
rear property line for one space that
can that's considered and then the
garage is also one space so you might
want to think about we were actually
trying to stay away from that because we
didn't think that would be approved so
we actually shortened it from like 12
feet to 10 feet but we're well within
the property line setback would we be
able to extend that out another two feet
to get a car in there sure I mean if if
the size is fine for the size of the
property I wouldn't see why not because
that might be something you you'll
consider doing later on at least you'll
have that uh option great thank you
would be appealing to a buyer in the
future yeah well Vernon is a real rough
Street to park on my car's been hit
twice right so you just got an extra
space but those coverings for cars are
common in on on that side of South
Bexley they're everywhere you know those
old 50s carports everywhere Brandon
Vernon Chelsea guess you're
right yeah I like the scale of the front
porch I like the side it it's great and
I'm happy you're getting the front porch
thank you so congratulations you'll
enjoy it I'm sure yeah but uh subject to
getting back better drawings you know
more refined drawings I'm sure you'll be
fine we'll see you see you next month
that's easy thanks for producing those
in the last few days oh my pleasure yeah
it's good guidance from all of you so I
appreciate it thank you and one thing
you could do and this would be for
anybody listening uh who's modeling
their
design even if you just put up walls for
how far the neighboring houses are you
know adjacent to this it's going to give
you better sense of scale because you
know that wonderful view with all the
Landscaping looks like you're taking
down all your neighbors and it's just
Green Space all
around but I mean even just like a plane
with like even a little roof
intersection or something got it
okay
I forgot about
you
touche which that
in the last one in
the do I not have it in
here yes it's no numbers It's
s for
screenshot is this what you want it's
the
rendering
screenshot oh this
is huh are you on the Auditor's website
I am there were three different photos
on the auditor website you're you're
correct it's revised no I'm on the uh
ARB there it is there's the rendering
ah
so just a note um the Gable and rake
isn't accurately represented unless
you're changing it correct corre you
changing it to it's not accurately
represented hang it off the middle so
the existing houses is a very simple
details right uh and it's pretty it's
found commonly throughout be on the
style of a house
um that should this I think influences
what this is doing because
this this rake is a little bit more
modern in its kind of production home
style uh in this final sighting look but
the the existing hous this is very flat
and the details are very simple so as
you work through the details with the
design consultant you know this is
actually showing fairly simple details
though they're not accurate how you
mount this post this close to the corner
you know there's there's things that are
not represented how construction would
be I get that
um you know this post and the
relationship to the bean and that is
there's things that need to be
continually refined totally get that my
one question though is in the model
you're showing obviously you're calling
out a standing steam room roof which is
I think a texture map representing that
but it looks like the that roof is also
sloping down to pick up this elevation
and that doesn't work right so standing
steam metal roof does not like to bend
that direction so we're sloping that
direction so that needs to be uniform
slope from this corner up to the roof
and it can cut back and forth so I'm
worried that this isn't representing
really a standing seam application which
then leans to if that's true and you
need to want to keep that massing down
you're going to want to go towards a
flatter roof a lower slipped roof uh
which would put you in the membrane um
and that's another discussion that you
need to look think through the details
of that and how you handle that um but I
also agree with the earlier comments the
proportion of this I like I like the
Simplicity of this because I think it
matches the existing house I think that
if you know the landscaping and some of
the uh the Greek architecture references
I think would be
interesting I I I think this space for
me and I get that you're maximizing this
this you know heartscape here to kind of
create the seating but to me a versus B
I'm I'm finding myself in b a lot more
on those few sunny days in Columbus um
so I wonder if there's a little bit of
detail that you could you know I know
you took the awnings off which is I
understand that's great I'm putting an
awning back up once everything's done
well so what that awning is I think
wants to be very simple and if the
standing steam was working it could be a
single thin plane of like metal just
something very simple and not not a
fabric awning I think that would be too
much mass in its view uh but I think
that's could be appropriate over that
window with the seating group could be
quite nice
that's okay
any other further
discussion this is a um going just going
back to the applicant um a
recommendation to the certificate of
appropri to the board of zoning and
planning for new porch the garage
addition and variance uh from the
required setback can we have a findings
a fact subject to return to to aab
working with yeah ring back to us and
then working with the design consultant
yes so the findings of and decision of
the board for application number bc-
24-3 for property located at 690 Vernon
uh regarding a front porch addition and
side bay for the existing detach garage
the board recommends the application go
forward to the board of zoning and
planning with a remand back to ARB for
final determination of the certificate
of
appropriateness do you understand these
funding effects we do do we have any
final comments or adjustments from the
board uh one final comment and this is
something that I think we're going to be
wanting to do at every um ARB meeting is
to um recommend that you look through
the design guidelines which were
approved by city council last year and
it's something that might help you to
come up with some ideas but it's a good
resource in understanding uh this
neighborhood in particular and some of
the commonalities and the beauty of
architecture in South Bexley great we'll
do and that's on the ARB uh it's a link
at the ARB um is it on page it's the
city of Bexley at the ARB page and then
there's a link at the bottom right yeah
link specifically the pages of the
neighborhood okay great it'll just give
you some ideas of how to detail col like
you know around the neighborhood great
but I'll
also be happy to help all right cool
thank
you any any other final
comments do we have a
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yes Mr Hall yes Miss Jones yes Mr hire
yes chairman Scott
yes approved thank you all see you in
the month thank you appreciate it look
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it that concludes our new business uh we
moves this into other business uh
application number ma
23295 which is 2196 East Broad Street
applicant Amanda Hancock owner is Lena
Abner the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and certificate of
appro to replace 22 Le glass windows
with provia vinyl windows in
bronze can we have our staff report
please so this application is before you
it's a it's a minor architectural um
review application which means I
normally do it as a window approval but
it is within um the My perview to bring
things to the board and actually I'm
supposed to bring things to the board
when they things such as um which you've
seen before a lot of slate roofs Cedar
Shake roofs and um let glass windows are
in that category so
that that's actually that's why it's
here because a very special window it's
a beautiful home um and this is a very
historic window to the city of
Bexley historic window to to all kind of
older neighborhoods um so I'm actually
kind of grateful that I have that in the
code because I would rather you guys
help us this one that make the decision
by
myself thank you uh we have the
applicant owner uh can we get them sworn
in
please please State your names starting
with you man' I'm Lana AO you sir please
raise your right hands do you somly
swear from the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth yes yes
thank you thank you well please tell us
what's going on I have old windows they
are broken some of them some of them are
very drafty they are steel and old and
uh I finally have the finances able to
replace them because basically there are
insects it's very cold it's really old
and um I decided to do this project and
I hired appco and there's only seven
windows that are that shape that you
mentioned the rest of the windows are
all square and I have pictures in my
phone if needed
but uh only the two bay windows up there
and the bathroom one is the diamond
shape so they're all steel right now um
with drywall returns so um they're
rusted they're broken they don't latch I
mean they're let water in some of them
don't even close so um they're not like
a lot of Windows that be replaced with
you know that are wood windows so they
are steel so there's no way to match
that the leted glass
we can't do we chose to do an
architectural bronze color on the
outside with a bronze grid um the
manufacturer doesn't even do a diamond
Grid it's just too bulky um so you'd
have to go
to a completely different line that
would
be minimum of 20 to $30,000 more just to
to do that
so
I don't know what pictures that you have
to we have pictures of the color and the
so that's the majority of the windows
there um I have I've created a a PDF
document because all these pictures came
in on separate files so I took um some
time to put them all into one document
for us here so these These are the
pictures that you sent and I have
pictures that I took today I wasn't sure
what pictures you have
but yeah all the windows are like the
picture that was in the previous page
like that besides there are seven uh
large windows that are the diamond shape
but even those are really got it uh I
cannot afford more than that um I'm a
single parent and uh this is what I can
do for now so is that blue uh yes we
painted it when I painted the exterior a
few years ago
but uh the original color was uh Brown
dark brown the house was like tan Brown
something like
that okay thank you uh this is our
opportunity for anyone in the public
would like to speak that has standing on
this
project seeing none I'll turn it over to
the
board M Sher sure uh I
am sympathetic to the expense issue for
sure but those windows on that house are
really important
architecturally and when you in my
opinion just my opinion on the board one
of of many but in my opinion when you
buy a house like that you take on an
obligation to preserve the architectural
Integrity of the
property and sometimes it's difficult
and expensive and I don't know how to
solve that for you but I could not vote
to approve to replace those windows with
a standard window I think there are
other options uh for example one of my
neighbors had be really beautiful
Windows like this but they they're
falling apart so they replace the
windows uh with um uh I think they maybe
they weren't I know they've worked with
appco um this but you can apply lead
frame configuration on the outside after
the window's installed um it works best
when there's also um grid between the
glass that enhances the lead application
they look best that way but they also
look pretty darn good even on a solid
glass window where the lead is applied
on the outside of the
glass um it's a company called um s sdl
and they I I've spoken with them before
and I know they have worked with appco
before pardon me oh yeah yeah yeah there
you go not STL that's the window it's
sgo
sgo so um my thought
is you know embrace the lead look I I
could even give you an address if you
want to see what it looks like it's very
nice um I recognize that it's a budget
issue you know maybe the solution is to
do
some of the windows this year and more
windows you know do the worst Windows
now and then next sometimes we have to
budget out over for that um but
replacing those windows with a standard
window wouldn't not I couldn't approve
that not in that
house so what are you suggesting then
put a window in and have another company
come in and put a
leaded that's one I'm I'm just saying
that's one option I don't know if it's
the best option but it's it's an option
maybe other board members would have
other ideas on other windows that might
I mean I get it that maybe you can't
save these windows I maybe you can't you
can come I mean they're they're rusted
they're steel they not a wood window
that's the problem yeah they're steal I
get it and the Energy Efficiency that
that she's and like I said I'm only one
I can't shove them like it doesn't even
show I get it you have to replace the
windows yeah but we can't approve any
window they don't even make a steel
window with lead glass those aren't even
options anymore yeah it might have to be
maybe for me it's a a wood
window is clad on the outside of course
right because that way you're not
exposed to the weather but then you
apply the lead on the outside if there's
a um LDL between the glass then it looks
really good because it enhances the
depth we've got that and we did that in
a bronze instead of just doing a white
Vine a window we try to make it look as
historic as we can but still get the
efficiency there's a house on Fair that
um I helped what do exactly what you're
talking about it's um it's actually
maybe the same one you're thinking I
don't know it's pretty close this is on
one my neighbors on Brighton and they
did the letter this one was on Fair and
they had pretty much the exact same
windows that you had same problem so
they replace them all with a wood with a
wood window with no grids at all and
then took leaded lead
tape that that even has the The Joint
the weld the Weld and it yeah and you
know the manufacturers warranty with the
glass because all the
reflection have no idea
warranties um but that that there's one
that you could see on Fair to see how
they did it yeah I mean at the end of
the day it's cost for me and if it's not
working it's not working I cannot afford
it so it has to be within the budget and
that's the main thing that I could
afford so what are my options to replace
windows if the city doesn't approve like
what happens if you guys don't
approve I don't replace a Windows and it
stays like
that would you want to address that
question it it could be appealed to the
board of zoning and
planning um the decision this board so
you could always take it to that board
depending on what this board votes yeah
that's that's only we only heard from
one person other board members May
disagree or have other ideas so let you
know let let's continue to hear other
listen everybody because you're jumping
to the conclusion that it's going to be
denied and we're just giving they're
just giving you some ideas but there
might be more yeah I'm sorry this is my
first time it's okay that was just my op
other people I there will be something
like this and and even with Karen
providing locations of where options
might work for you you could even speak
with those residents to see how those
are working out and maybe they are
aren't as expensive as you
think but we're just giving you ideas at
this
point yeah I think you know there's um a
historical appropriateness to be
cons oh it's on can you hear me now okay
I think there's um an historical
appropriateness and context of the home
to be considered I also I think I would
have a difficult time approving um the
current window product that we're
looking at right now with your home I'm
very sensitive to the you know cost um
limitations as well I have two young
kids so it's not you know something that
I think any of us would Overlook but I
you know I I think it comes back to um
what we're really here to do and
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um I think I would have a hard time
approving them as currently shown but I
think you know certainly we should offer
some um different options to consider as
you guys move forward and you know
something that might be Revisited um
down the
line
I am you know I am with you I'm
concerned about your issues with your
you know the windows aren't working for
you
um what I
do want to throw out is that I don't
think you know and I understand budget
issues and I respect that but one of the
things that
about houses that are as beautiful as
yours is is that
to maintain the value of the house and
to maintain the architecture of the
house when you do improvements and if
you have the ability to spend a little
bit more money you're going to get more
money out of the value of the house in
the long run um a lot of people going to
look at something um especially folks
that are design sensitive and then you
know we all have walked in houses that
we've looked at and considered buying
and said why' they do that they could
have just spent a little bit more money
and then I would have paid a little bit
more money when I bought the house but
now I got to tear it out and redo it or
just live with it um I've just done some
quick research here and I think that
this is something that is actually
manufacturer driven um you know the
important features here are the diamonds
in the Mion the the letic glass is is
one but the the the the diamond shaped
moons um even though they're Le it there
are I I just looked like Pella and
Anderson and they have those options
with a um and I I have an issue with the
aluminum or I'm sorry the vinyl windows
on the outside I do think they should
have a a metal feel and maybe a wood
inside to them um you're not going to
replicate an all steel window I I think
that's financially not feasible um but
to put a nice window in that is
responsive to the architecture of the
house and maintains the character of the
house I think would be ultimately be the
goal um Colby um I would recommend that
you I've worked with them in the past
and they are very
customizable and um and and understand
these
situations um so that's they also about
six figures for the windows with kby for
that I I I hear you 100 Grand yeah no I
hear you but I'm gonna go back to my
original statement is that you're you
know if you have these conditions with
drafts and everything then you're paying
for that in your utility bills so you're
going to save money just you know from
that perspective too at some point in
time um but
I'm you know I don't expect you to
replicate a steel window with a leted
glass um um window this you know in in
in it um but I I do think it's um I do
think this board can can push and ask
for Windows that respond appropriately
to the architecture of the house and
this solution just does not do that in
my
opinion Mr hire I mean I would re I
would iterate everything that's been
said uh by the other board members I
just don't know why there couldn't be a
as was mentioned by somebody you know
incremental
replacement you know that you you might
not get every window and every draft
taking care of right away but you could
you know possibly with a better window
than just a vinyl window and something
that's more historic looking maybe it's
like it's a clad um wood door wood wood
window but could you do could you
replace the windows with a with a nicer
window uh where the drafts are the worst
you know do that first I'm just it's
just an option but you know you we're
trying to figure out a way to help you
but this board is here to preserve the
Integrity of the beauty of Bexley that's
what we're here for we're not you know
the zoning board we're not the uh tree
and garden commission we're about the
architecture and so this is important
for us we're trying to come up with a
way where you could because appco has
lots of different products right you
don't just you don't just do I
understand budget's a big concern but I
think lot in historic districts but a
clad window is not historic so they
don't even allow that in the historic
district yeah but we're not a historic
district right I get that I'm just
saying architecturally that's not even
correct because the inside is Plaster
returns so it just didn't really seem to
fit the house with the budget that we we
looked at you know had several I mean
looked at a lot of different options I
understand I I what I I think what I'm
hearing through all of this is that and
this happens to us sometimes we we have
an applicant who has a desperate
situation you know that the air is
getting in and there needs you have to
find a
replacement it may be to your best
advantage to actually have a designer
you know somebody who could I mean it's
and we have one right here with you know
Miss bour for the city of Bey she
doesn't she's not charging you anything
but a designer that can help you design
those
returns you know a window company is
looking at a product and and maybe not
seeing the same things that a designer
is going to see in terms of how the
windows get installed I would suggest
that you table this and come back to the
this board with other options to help
create a compromise that we that we
could a agree with because right now if
you go for the vote it's my sense that
it's going to get denied and you don't
want that so if you could take a little
more time and come back with other
options like other compromises maybe
deciding to replace a few Windows now
and then wait on some of the other ones
the other other compromise that honestly
from my point of view I would say that
you know I would I would say that you
spend the money on the windows that are
facing the street and this is just my
opinion but the windows that are visible
okay in the
wintertime uh from the street you spend
the money on doing really nice windows
for everything that's visible from the
street and then things that are in the
back maybe you do something less
expensive it's just another option and
maybe you do that by doing this over
time um different ways but I I just
think that we would need to see some
more options uh the Windows like from
the street there are large trees so you
really don't see anything my neighbor's
house I show driveway yes you can see
their house much more except in the
winter time visible um it's large yeah I
don't know what type of trees are these
but they are really large and they don't
have leaves falling uh but I don't even
see my house when I drive by um
but the windows in the front are not as
bad as the ones that my children three
different rooms that are really drafty
and they don't even shut you know close
uh it's really cold and you know
so from what I'm hearing do I need to
also have a Bard review if I do just the
broken windows you know go ahead and
replace those how does it work is it
because I have 22 windows or can I just
go and replace and fix those that are
emergency and I need to get done with it
yeah from from a a design point of view
and you know historic preservation point
of view which is what this board is
about you know if if you were able to
design you know to make a diagram on
paper that showed where the worst
windows are on the house and take that
to the design consultant um and then she
can review it with you and then you come
back
March
11th March 14th and maybe there's and
maybe the board would be more minable by
seeing oh well you're just replacing you
know these three or four and they're not
even visible from the street and that
that I'm just suggesting that that might
be a way I'm not saying that they're
gonna we did talk about that about
keeping the diamonds and replacing the
ones that have rectangles and are drafty
in the back because you it's easier to
match the ones with rectangular grids I
just I think putting a vinyl window in
here
is is as a
mistake but I'm just confused because
for 62 years we've been in business we
do them all around that's right brati
does that fat white vinyl window
everywhere with Leed glass is it just
some that you approve and some you don't
or how do you choose which ones get
approved it's pretty clear in the code
that um I anything that's
a a leaded glass window I bring here
it's like in the same category as slate
it's a it's a very historic material
this house is a beautiful historic house
you know if I have a if I have a a house
that has wood windows and the vinyl ones
can absolutely duplicate the a white
painted wood window I wish there was a
moratorium on V but there's not but a
house that has Leed glass windows it's a
if you took out these windows those
windows are what makes this house
beautiful taking away the V value of the
house you're diminishing the property
value I mean we are living in it I won't
take it forever with me when once my
kids graduate high school I'm out you
know it's okay whatever the point of
this board that that's exactly why we
can't let you do it because you bought a
house and backley that is historically
important the Community Values the
history and the quality and the design
you don't appear to Value it because you
just said as long as when I'm done I'm
out of here right you don't really know
what based on what just I said you
cannot inate what I feel like about
historical values I love Bexley I love
the historical everything about it
that's why I live in it is just not
everyone can afford and do everything
that you know to make it everyone's
dreams come true yeah it's not that I
don't value the historical but for me
you know I'm realistic and practical I
have responsibilities and this is what
I'm saying about that it's not really
for me to change everything I wish I
could do everything that's pure asking
but I can't so it's not about that I
don't respect the value I love I love it
here that's why I live here but when you
indicate that you're you're not you're
planning to leave it it sends eventually
yes I mean I'm not going to live by
myself in a big house and and that you
know we're thinking about the long term
you're you're obviously you have to be
more short-term focused because you have
those short-term decisions to make but
we have to worry about the long-term
impact and sometimes when when you take
on a house like this you take on a lot
of responsibility and a lot of it is
financial and it's it's expensive to
maintain some of these special homes and
it it comes with the property you know
it comes with an
obligation and that's why we're we're
worried about replacing the
windows it comes to me like I don't know
if English is not my first language but
it appears that only you can live in B
only if you can afford really fancy
things and spending so
much that's what I'm understanding from
this I I don't think that's true I mean
this this is a very significant house
and and it's pretty large and
unfortunately it's always proportional
to that kind of thing you know there's
all different price ranges of houses in
Beckle and there's all different kinds
of levels of design and
materiality and
expenses you have I live there and I
take care of things obviously I have to
maintain my home and make sure there are
a lot of things that I have to manage to
make sure you know the house is safe
livable you know we have a roof on our
head that we could actually you know
there are a lot of things all of you are
I'm assuming homeowners so you know um
okay so I guess I will come back with
only U I guess I will discuss with you
is it meeting in the office or do I have
phone calls to discuss the windows that
we need to I'm happy to meet you here
I'm happy to meet you at your house to
see the inside I'm happy to I think it'
be important to see the inside too yes
just Windows needing extension Jam I
it's well so will vinyl I mean vinyl
will have to be re be sit in just like
they are now inside the return
so if if we did them and then contacted
that company that you mentioned would
the let it that be an option
too I don't know for sure sorry I'm not
sure because like you said you have a
lot of technical issues you have to work
through I think Karen can help you more
than me I just it was one suggestion
because they're very attractive and they
mimic what you have it might not work
for you like like Mr H higher said maybe
some of the
windows that aren't as visible they're
just the grids between the glass like a
traditional window and Karen can work
through all those options with
you because I I mean we've got a beaded
it's a bronze like beaded glass I do in
Arlington and different areas that look
like the Leed but it's not a Le nobody
makes a leaded window anymore so right
that's why we were pointing out I guess
in the future too um because we do a ton
of work we've always done a lot of work
in here we do there's a lot of lead
glass windows so we can't replace those
anymore unless it's a wood window is
that future moving forward I mean it's
always been like that it just depends
where the house is and what it's what
what they're all individual cases I mean
if if if I'm GNA you know there there
have been smaller houses
in um smaller lots that have had Diamond
Leed glass windows that yes we have
allowed Diamond Replacements of with
wood
or we we have yes allowed but they've
come before board the board like this so
no there's no moratorium we just have to
come up with a solution that maintains
architectural Integrity um of your h of
your home
and value maintain the value of your
home or improve
it I love what you've done with I mean I
love the colors that you've repainted
you know since you bought it I love the
blue I think you've done just some
beautiful things and thank you and look
how that that bottom right that bottom
left picture just focuses on how
important the windows are and this this
just kind of sums it
up yeah as I said I'm you know I'm okay
with not replacing the diamond shaped
ones that are you know maybe viewable
mostly to other people from this street
uh the bay windows that are diamond shap
there was only seven but um the other
ones like the one above the garage is
really that's where my son's room is
there's other one there too so these are
the ones that I want to find a quick
solution because it's just not healthy
they get sick it's really it's really
cold so the challenge and I I'll help
you and with your contractor is to find
a replacement for the ones that are the
rectangular that look like this okay I
mean I I'll I'll keep the to me the you
know I don't have a vote I'm the staff
person but to me the the the world is
you know the the options are endless if
you found the vinyl that matched and
looked good I'm not going to tell you
that's you know completely out of the
question but my goal is to aesthetically
match what's up there on the screen so
that as close as possible as close right
as close never gonna be the same so
would you want to see that many grids in
it whether yes there's my
comment thank you uh 90% of this house
to me is the window the windows of this
house are so strong maybe one of the
strongest I've seen on this board for a
long time uh we have a lot of
discussions about slate roof
uh about um character of details and and
everything and I this house I keep
constantly going back to the windows
especially the diamond ones I'm thrilled
to hear that those aren't the ones that
are in the worst shape because I think
you should fight for those I think
that's that is the the the absolute
appeal to this house it works well with
the details around the windows it works
well with the massing the character all
of it is driven by these windows it is
extremely strong architectural feature
and
replacing those would be I think an
absolute travesty because of of what it
does to the overall character of this
house
and we have volunteered and been asked
by the city to help be a stop Gap to
that not to you personally but in this
in the city so that we don't lose this
character that's been here for so long
so that's kind of our job and what we're
trying to help protect but also we try
to work really hard with you to get you
a project that you can do and afford
that doesn't lose the character that
gives you and I think something that you
can come home to be really excited and
happy that you maybe spend a little bit
more money on or at least work through I
know it's expensive when know are
expensive when we get that right we you
know we're Architects we
so but that's that's that's almost a
deal prer so I'm really happy to hear
that those are in as bad a shape I think
my problem is is is actually less with
the vinyl I would love to aluminum
aluminum clad wood windows it's it's
what this house wants uh and that's a
discussion I think for this board and
I'm not saying anything for anyone else
but I think that's something that you
could argue to me and actually Pro the
appco window that you submitted the look
of it is is good for a vinyl window is
it appropriate for this house uh I would
love not to do that but I get it but
you're you you're you're presenting a 2
by three or 2 by4 I can get that grid
when it's 4 by five so I can get that I
just that changes the character a lot we
chose that because it's in the trendy
now and I see a lot of houses I saw a
house on Park View actually H I think
rep placed with larger living grid so I
like usually modern look so but we can
go back to them but the challenge is
your house isn't modern right it's it's
not a modern house and if you replace
the windows to Modern it actually
doesn't make it a modern house it makes
a old classical house yeah look cheap
yeah and that's the danger of that and
it doesn't mean it's a cheap window it's
actually a good solid product it's just
not appro so we're we're trying to get
balance here and I I I agree with Mr
hire's approach where you maintain it's
not just because it's the front of the
house that's where the the beauty of
those Diamond windows that you cannot
get today it's you could get them uh and
you could get metal windows you could
get hopes windows and you'd have to sell
the house to pay for the windows but you
could do it
um I am Less in a fight with you I guess
if we want to not a fight discussion
with you on the the rear and the side
because you could tell me that was a
loom Cloud window and and with a modern
divided light I be look great I I
believe it looks great I don't think
replacing that with a very similar
looking window in aluminum clad or even
on a vinyl he maybe could convince me
depending on what the look was I think a
knowing one it is it wants to be
aluminum clad but the look would be very
similar so unless because the details on
that window are very simple there's some
other windows in the house that have the
brackets on the outside for the
casements and are beautiful you can't
replace those you're not going to find
that today I think hopes makes those um
maybe they do uh I'm sure they do but to
me those windows are important and they
you can see that all the reflections are
different because they're all individual
planes of glass they're
beautiful it's almost unheard of today
so we get
that but in the end the real character
of that street and and of that of this
house that needs to be maintained as the
diamond
windows so that's my position would be
to to SA those and we will work hard
with you to get the other windows to be
to work and I understand it's drafty
it's cold it's bugs and security and yes
kids and paint and all that other rust
it's it's
tough so it's more than a yes for the
the other rectangular grids just add
more of them in there at a minimum and I
think we we we would for me personally
on this board would like to you to
explore other options of window
manufacturers or at least I know luminum
cloud is a different price point than
vinyl I get that uh a lot I understand
that um but you've heard other boards
comments tonight
so well that's why the idea of doing
some and not all is very appealing
because it might not give you that
immediate satisfaction of like oh it's
done and and but at at a big expense
because you're going to have a window
that's not the quality that's
appropriate for the
house when you go to sell this house
when your kids graduate from high
school you could make a huge profit
because you maintain the architectural
Integrity energy didn't pull away from
it because people and the more rare
these get you know you go a lot of
places and the windows are already gone
and you can't put them back so if you
can save this it's an investment in that
property it it maintains the historic
Integrity it makes it more desirable in
the future because in 20 years when
you're ready to go
that's even more rare and you can't find
it you can't make it nobody can afford
it and you got
it we
done to make a
motion know outcome
is table so we're here for we're here
for they're looking for a vote from us
she did ask for a table no no I said she
could ask we didn't explain we haven't
asked her yet you want to you want to
explain the their position they have you
want me to you'd be great at it okay so
we can take it to a vote which if we
voted no you could not proceed you can
ask us to table the application to next
month which would give you time to work
with staff to figure out an alternate
proposal or can you can come back with
the same proposal or you can come back
with a modified request working with
staff like you saw today some people we
just did a consent we just voted yes we
didn't do another hearing because we had
given comments the applicant worked
through the issues came up with a great
plan and staff said it's all fine and we
looked at the revised plan and we
approved it just by consent took a vote
so if you table it we can talk about it
again um next
month okay yeah I would like to table it
and we discuss more yeah okay great okay
do we need to vote on that I don't think
we do do we um yes we do we do and let's
table to date certain so we don't have
to know oh we don't have to notice this
anyway we tbling it to March March 14th
and who would like to make that motion
I'll make the motion Mr roer second
higher I will call the rooll Mr
Hall yes Mr hire yes Miss Jones yes Miss
tosser yes chairman Scott yes
thank you see you on March 14th okay so
before my sorry I have a question before
March 14 I get in touch with you and can
you have my number because I've called
you yes call me tomorrow and okay she
has a well she can share a lot of
different a lot of information with you
other other ideas other things that have
happened in beex so and she'll work with
you to get to a solution I'll let you in
on a little secret okay I live in German
Village and I yesterday went before the
German Village board on your side of the
podium to replace my windows so I can
show you even how I prepared that packet
okay um and what I had to do because
it's the same thing that's why values
stay high in German Village and Beckley
and up Arlington because we have
this you know and and I I feel your pain
with the cost yeah but I'm line are you
looking
at I'll tell you off record was well I
did go with aluminum clad
are you g to get that approved to them
because we've had yeah I did
yesterday yeah but I had to do a lot of
creative you know yeah retrofitting so
I'll show you I'll share my it's it's
not the same thing yours is a much nicer
house but
um I'm happy to share with you the
process okay well thank you so much for
your time thank you thank you
hi that concludes our agenda do we have
any more items from the
board seeing none or hearing none
meeting
adjourned nice job