we will call to order the January 11
2024 uh Bexley Architectural Review
board meeting um Kathy can you call the
role miss jser Mr Scott here Mr hire
here Mr Hall here Madam Tony
here uh can we have approval of of the
meeting minutes from our it would be our
special meeting that we had on December
12th did we have those posted they're
done just so that everybody knows that
Elizabeth who does our minutes for us
her grandmother passed away and I think
she's a little behind on yeah so we'll
do them at the next meeting okay we will
do those at the next meeting um uh this
is the time for public comment is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak to the board about any issue that
is not on the agenda tonight if so raise
your
hand seeing nothing okay we uh there's a
couple items that have been removed from
the agenda so I just want to let you
know that application number Bap
23-23 the address is 2200 East Maine it
has been removed from the agenda tonight
and then we have a second application
ARB
23-36 217 North Stanwood and that has
been tabled till February 8th so if you
are here for either of those two
applications we will not be talking
about them
tonight uh so then we will go to um new
business and our first uh application is
number ARB
23-39 and the address is 41 North
Roosevelt the applicant is uh lofter
Christensen the owner is lofter
Christensen and the applicant is seeking
architecture review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness to
replace the porch with a mudroom and to
make facade
modifications is the applicant present
um please come up we'll swear you in and
in the meantime Karen will give us a
little
background yes please whoever wants to
speak about it yeah just uh come up you
push that button yeah okay and then
raise your right hand and state your
name uh Stan do you somly swear or
affirm the testimony you're about to
give this evening is the truth yes thank
you I'm not sure that your microphone is
working can you all hear
him can you speak into that microphone
and see if test oh there you go just you
might have to give it a little tilt up
to your face it it bends a little bit if
that there you go thank you so much good
okay uh Karen will give us a little bit
of background and then we'll ask you to
talk about the project okay Kathy might
have to fill in a little bit this was a
project that was kind of like caught in
progress so um we have you know as we
jokingly say a live model of what um is
being proposed um we decided to go ahead
and bring it before you rather than have
wait for drawings that will need to be
produced for you know for the record and
for the permitting process but um we
kind of felt that if we could talk it
through here uh staff can probably
handle it it's a a transition from a
screened in por which we need to find so
I should have the plans just so on one
second Sor oh you do have the yeah they
were turned in when uh with the
application I
believe so they're uploaded construction
documents with this application yeah
there should be like
a oh there's a floor
plan
you are correct there was a floor
plan um well let me I have to find that
floor plan I think it's in here
somewhere it must have been uploaded
after I I loaded these so I'll have to
go back and there it's at the top yeah
it's called ARB mudroom plans so added
it okay let me do that be while Kathy
fills in any gaps or while the applicant
um but in the meantime I I did call and
ask the applicant about the the question
about the door what's going to happen to
that that it really needs to be um uh
seamed in with the siding or or have a
window put in there not just left with
the with with the roof over it with the
covering over it um I'm happy to work
with the applicant through the rest of
it um depending on what the board says
but do you have anything to fill in yes
this was discovered by code enforcement
and and there are photos in there
showing the previous green porch that
existed so they're turning this into a
mud room but then also I noticed that
there's a door at the back that's
boarded up and I'm guessing they're
going to remove that permanently but
there's still some details attached that
might want to also be
addressed yeah the door is already
framed in there's just plywood there we
just want we just
um haven't done anything else but the
plan was for it to be covered with
siding that matches the rest of the
house and then what about that piece of
roof and the light fixture will that
also be
removed um there was no plan for it but
if it needs to be it can be
yeah I think it should be it' be kind of
awkward just to have that without okay
anything underneath it no
problem
okay is there anything else you want to
explain about the project to the board
then before I let them ask you question
well it's pretty straightforward the
walls are exactly where they were is
just basically going from Windows to a
wall and then the two windows up front
are the small ones are the only thing
that really uh are the only windows in
that room uh the layout the foundation
everything else just remain the same so
basically from All Seasons room to a mud
room um however I do want to note that
it is not a uh it is not a room where
there will be AC like it won't be uh it
won't be air conditioned or heated so
it's not um you know there's no HVAC
going through gotcha okay is there a
board member that would like to go first
and
asking this gentleman any
questions I will
uh is the roof material matching the
house uh the roof was not not touched
the roof was not touched okay and um the
trim around the windows will match
what's on the house existing when you
put the trim on yeah we can MCH we can
MCH that trim y
yeah that's all I
have Mr Hall do you have
anything I do
not Mr rer do you have
anything um I'm not sure which if it's
north south or west but the if as you
end enter the that door into into the
mudroom the wall to the left will there
be a window on that elevation uh no
those are the only two windows right
here is there is it possible that you
could include a window on that side of
the of the room because before you know
you had a it was all glass and not a
full structure so to speak speak um and
now you know you're from the side of the
house you're going to have just you know
one solid wall
and I I guess for 92 inches
that's not such a big deal but I guess
i' ask the design consultant if you have
any concerns over that I don't only
because I thought think as a mudroom you
probably wanted to put lockers or coats
and yeah that's exactly
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right okay that's fine
Mr Scott do you have
anything when this roof looks like it's
a different color from the other photo
and it could just be lighting has the
roof been replaced recently do you know
no the roof was not
touched uh you know it's built I think
the other photo was just a little dated
yeah no it could be sunlighting dating
there's
um you know I'm not a big fan of the
little windows I don't think the headers
the window and the door probably should
have
aligned much you know I think they're
miscal but you know it's built so um I
think this little the massing of course
comes
from the previous footprint so I think
it's I think it's overall it's
fine I appreciate that it stepped back
from the corner of the building so
things that we would have asked if it
was being new construction I think other
than the windows these little windows I
think would would have been done so I
think it's
it is what it
is okay I have nothing uh to add except
um you do understand the process from
here on out that you need to be working
with Karen in order to figure out the
details that would include the trim
around the windows that Mr H higher
talked about and then um submitting full
plans to the city so that uh they can
you can get your permit for completion
yes
okay all right um is there a board
member that will make a motion to um or
do we need findings of fact because we
are I can read them okay thank you
findings findings of fact and decision
of the board for application number ar-
23-39 for property located at 41 North
Roosevelt the architecture review board
finds that the screen Deport conversion
to a mudro is architecture compatible
with the existing structure with the
following conditions that the trim is to
match the existing structure and that
the construction documents are subject
to final design approval by the design
consultant we ask if there's anybody in
the oh I'm sorry is was there anyone
else in the audience that wanted to
speak did you want to speak about this
you're okay um okay so seeing no one
else do you understand the findings of
fact as Kathy just read them yes ma'am
okay is there a board member then that
will make a motion to approve this
application so moved
H second
ster and Kathy will call the roll Mr
Hall yes Mr H yes ster yes Mr Scott yes
Madam Tony yes you are approved thank
you so much thank
you okay our next application is ARB
23-40 their address is 2376 Brentwood
the applicant is Pete Foster the owner
is Tracy Stam the applicant is seeking
architecture review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a new
covered front porch and other
modifications Karen will give us a
littleit a background okay um this
application
um is hold on let me get all these up
here is for the front porch um I I think
it looks really good we just had um we
asked Pete to come in because the
drawings did not have notes on them so
since then he has uploaded today for me
these which should answer some questions
about the column details and
materials Etc um I can also I think he
these are for the board members to we
can pass these um down I'll go ahead and
swear in the applicant thank please
state your name Pete Foster do you saw
Le swear from the testimony you're about
to give this evening is the truth I do
thank yes the hot pink is definitely
uh the hot pink is definitely yeah I
don't know the scanning uh that was done
that print shop didn't quite
uh end up being the colors that I
anticipate so the house isn't going to
be purple I guess it highlights them so
compliments apologize for that um but I
I'll go ahead and let you walk through
the the project it looks
good can you go to the existing
photograph really quick Karen please
it's uh there's one at the front there
you go so um
um I don't know that this porch was
original on this house um it's kind of
an awkward detail that that hip on that
porch actually goes up to a small Ridge
and the water actually flows back to the
vertical wall where the front door is so
it's it's not a great detail to begin
with and a lot of the wood shake back
there is in poor condition so um
homeowner wanted have a more open porch
and a little larger um and
so the design we've done comes across
the face there and uh goes with a lot
more simplistic lean to
roof um we're also going to add a window
above the front door which was just a
large blank
uh facade if you will hidden behind that
porch roof uh the window will
match um the ceiling is now higher in
that space I thought for a while maybe
we would get a little bit more height
but it is still the second floor
um the door the windows out the dining
room on the on the left-and side as you
look at the front of the existing house
will become a pair of French doors onto
the porch and then the windows to the
right uh which is the old living room
but also serves as an office we'd also
get a matching pair of French doors with
some sort of an Engaged railing and a
little Arbor to give that wall some
depth um and then the columns
are Timbers 10-inch Timbers uh with a
detail on the edges um and within the
porch then the idea is to wrap uh some
recess panel detail to give the porch a
little more scale back at the at the
level of the house as you're sitting on
the the
porch okay thank you very much is there
a board member that would like to go
first I'll go first I didn't have any
comments thank you Mr Scott um no I I
appreciate the last minute notes you
know when we approve these it's it's
nice to have um sure in that record
having those I actually thought I had
turned it in in holidays and the color
might have stopped you maybe meally
probably me too but it's awesome I think
it's great uh no I think it's a good
solution I think the porch is great
um I don't have any I think that the
column details are simple um so I think
overall the design is is solid I know
you know that so uh and I think it's
appropriate for the style of house and
the kind of funkiness that's going on I
think it balances it out well so uh I
supportive i' like it thank you Mr
Hall
yeah I think the uh the changes are
definitely appropriate I like the uh I
think it kind of makes it look a lot
nicer than what it currently does it
cleans some things up so I'm in complete
support of it
too Mr H Pete what is the floor material
for the porch concrete just concrete
will it be painted or stained no I think
we're just going to goes I think there's
the idea that maybe we'll do some Aira
rugs out there and give it some softness
but right now it's on level with with
the sidewalk that approaches um so we
just thought we keep the concrete
sidewalk and transition onto concrete as
well and will the Timbers be painted to
be close to the um stucco um yes there
well there's some discussion of a new
paint scheme going on but we haven't
arrived at anything yet it will not be
natural and colorful thank you purple
that's all I have I do have one question
on the because the siding obviously
looks like like a cedar original Cedar
I'm sorry siding is it Cedar original
shake so are you confident it's not a
problem you because you're pulling that
off you're gonna have to match that I
think we'll be okay there was an
addition done to this house and I don't
know how long ago now I can't remember
but there is not Shake on that uh it's
it's it's a I believe it's an 8 inch
siding to match the the exposure of the
shake um but we're going to do our best
to try and match that try to match it
I'm assuming ripping off some of the
ones above the where the new porch is
going probably aren't salvageable
because of the 0 might able to but it
doesn't seem like a c it's not a custo
it doesn't appear like it's a custom
shape no profile I have the exact same
thing on my house and I had some damage
Shake about two years ago and was no
problem finding
it did you have anything else no no okay
I think it looks lovely nice job okay um
we have any findings of fact the
findings of fact and decision of the
board for application number AR
b-2340 for property located at 2376
brenwood the architecture review board
finds that the new covered porch and
Window and Door modifications are
architecturally compatible with the
existing structure and further moves
that a certificate of appropriateness
should be issued in accordance with the
updated plan submitted on January 11th
2024 do you understand the findings of
fact as Kathy read them is there a board
that will make a
motion so moved
Scott second Hall oh I mean is there
anyone in the audience that wants to
speak about this
application that's all right I will read
the role uh Mr Scott yes Mr rer yes Mr
Hall yes Mr H yes Adam Tony yes you are
approved thank you thank you so
much okay our next application is ARB
2341 one the address is 2113 North
Remington the applicant is Tom pendry
the owner is Michelle Hogan the
applicant is seeking architecture review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a third floor Dormer
on the rear or west side of the
house I I'm representative or hang on
I'll have Kathy s you in in a minute
Karen will okay this application is for
a dormer on the rear of the home
um I in the staff report I kind of um
went into a little bit of detail about
the issues that I have with it and I
want to hear the board um the board's
reaction to I at first glance I really
didn't have too much of an issue with it
being as far over to the side because I
think this house is so um misrepresented
in elevation because of the way the
slope goes I don't think it'll really um
be a problem but I do think that the
window is um not the right dimensions
and shape for this and I'm looking for
the
drawing there we that tiny little window
I I understand that the desire to have a
dormer that doesn't have a ton of
Windows if you're using it for is it a
back yes I remember that right um but I
do think the proportion of the typical
Dormer lightness should be maintained by
either paneling it or trimming it out
and at least increasing the size of that
one one window that's in there to match
those of the rest of the
house um typically I would prefer to see
a dormer slightly below the ridge line
um and I think it is over a little from
the
side but I would like to see it two
down that's that's all I have okay can I
S you when please state your name
Raymond Perez you somly swear the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank
you do you want to give us a little bit
more background on the project or you
want to just go right to questions
um no I think it's pretty
straightforward you can go any questions
okay is there a board member that would
like to go
first uh I will I I agree with Miss boor
um it's a pretty simple solution you're
going to use your trim your five quter
board or whatever trim you're using and
you're going to basically frame it out
into three equal panels the center panel
being the window and then the two side
panels either side of it will just be
siding but it will be framed by the one
by trim or the five quarter trim okay
okay and
then you know bring bringing the ridge
down but and then when you turn to the
side you're just going to have siding on
the side of the Dormer correct yes yeah
I don't I don't have any other issues or
questions
questions Mr Hall yeah just to build on
that there's two windows on there's one
on the North and one on the south little
small sort of Square Windows I think if
it takes on the language of those I
think then you pretty much hit a
solution at that point
okay so you just want us to continue
those window designs on the Dormer yeah
with the muttons and everything I I
think the windows need to
match in scale and in style and trim so
are you saying it is you're asking for
three full windows or are you asking for
one real window and two fake ones I
think this well just looking at the plan
I don't think because there's a shower
to one side of this so I don't think so
I think the single singular window is
fine with me just as long as it starts
to match what else is on the house yeah
I'm sorry uh but this this window
according to this this fits here in
other words this scale of a window going
here I agree yeah if that fits there
then I think that's better or something
of that proportion yeah well you could
literally take this where the hand is
right here the bottom and just go and
paste it up here fill in this with
panels but if you I'm not sure
functionally it's it's there will be a
there's a shower and a toilet and one of
those windows would be above a mirror
she's saying panels so two fake
Windows whatever you do with the window
it could be within you know I mean it
wouldn't it's back of the house I
personally don't care if you have if you
go the smaller window up to the board
but at least the panel pattern could be
exactly like this right here there is a
toilet in that Center in the center of
that where the window would be so it
would have to be a a smaller window um
yeah but where's where's the floor level
go back to that elevation yeah I think
that's where where is the floor level is
it down
here you know is it can't be here is it
it's not here because look at this
window so it's you know your floor level
is way down here there's no reason why
you couldn't have a larger window window
there
yeah okay and I agree with that that I
kind of I didn't really understand I
didn't I didn't think a larger window
would fit in there but I think a larger
window is probably definitely the right
answer
okay anything else Mr Hall no
sorry I'm fine with leaving the final
design of that window to the design
consultant as long as it's larger and
more consistent with the rest of the
house what about lowering the ridge line
is that a
requirement because I'm not wasn't clear
what the board consensus was on that it
seems like it's functionally
feasible and I think we need to give a
like a
general um amount of
space that you want whether you want a
foot or whether you want two inches
or do we have a preference on that how
far down off the ridgeel line do you
want it I I would leave that to the
design consultant okay I mean I see him
all the time meeting the ridge line it
doesn't really matter I mean if it was
in the front and it was like you know a
significant Dormer as part of the facing
the street I wouldn't care but I I leave
it up to you guys Ian I mean uh Mr Scott
can chime in on this but I would think
for weather ability you would want to
come down like a couple of shingles at
least because you have to flash it
you're going to want You're Gonna Want
That Ridge to be clean because it's
probably got a vent in it this point
maybe maybe this house this so I think
you're gonna want it to be down eight or
12 inches down but your your floor
height is is here you have the ceiling
height to to do that so I think that's
not going to be a challenge to drop that
a little bit good um I I I don't think I
think your window just doesn't want to
to be square I think you just make it
four inch taller I don't think you copy
this whole big window and then you just
repeat the shape of that in panel to the
right and left and it'll be a nice
proportion to the overall rectangle of
the facade of that little
Dormer and you when you say when you got
say panels so so you'll do a piece of
trim yeah in a a in a square vertical
rectangle similar to see the proportion
of that it's taller than it is wi so do
you want it
the the panels on the side the same
width as the
window be nice well I mean I think the
Dormer from a distance from the
neighbors is the window is not going to
be the important thing in your Dormer
what's going to be important is the
dividing that into three equal yes pan
panels except the center one will have a
window in it yes it may not be the whole
size of that panel but the from a
distance you're going to see those three
equal panels and then those panels don't
have to be solid they can be the siding
inside of the trim you understand yeah I
understand or it could be ASAC yeah so
you could use this material just like
you have it here except you're gonna
have trim board here trim board here
trim board here trim board there yes and
you don't and it which just again if you
look at a larger window just keep that
also eight to 12 inches off the
transition to the lower Ro
you don't like that window to sit too
low
yeah that's all I
had okay I have nothing to add um to
those comments so um Kathy will you read
the findings of fact the findings of
fact and decision of the board for
application number
ar-23
d41 for property located at 213 North
Remington the architecture review board
finds that the third floor Dormer is
architect actually compatible with the
existing structure and further moves to
approve a certificate of appropriateness
with the condition that trim be added to
expand the window with book and panels
subject to final design review by the
design
consultant thank you do you understand
the findings of fact as Kathy read them
yes okay is there a board member that
would like to make a motion so moved
higher second
ster
I will call the role Mr H yes Mr Hall
yes Mr Scott yes M ster yes Adam Tony
yes thank you you are approved thank you
thank
you okay our next application is Bap
23-43 the address is 126 South Park View
the applicant is Jim sorl the owner is
James and Christy clear the applicant is
seeking Architectural Review and a
recommendation of a certificate of
appropriateness to the board of zoning
and planning for an addition to the
house and an attached trellis and
garage I'd like to comment on this one
this was originally submitted as an
architecture review board application
and after speaking with the uh zoning
attorney regarding the structure
proposed um typically an accessory
structure
uh has its own
regulations and when it's attached to
the principal structure it meets the
requirements of the principal
structure uh but by definition it's not
this garage as designed is not an
integral part of the principal structure
so we declared it an accessory structure
and with the size of the accessory
structure proposed it exceeds the size
of what's allowed for this zoning
district for this lot so this is
actually the applicant then filed a z
zoning board application requesting a
variance to allow this to exceed the
9 36 square feet allowed so this would
be a recommendation to the zoning board
for this proposed garage Edition and
it's because of the size of it the the
footprint size of it yes but the
structures are physically attached there
attached by
a covered walkway covered the the
existing garage is being removed there's
two small additions attached to the back
of the house and then that walkway will
extend out and then the garage will be
constructed at that
end would you like elsewh in the
applicant please state your name uh Tony
Hudson do Sly s or from the testimony
you're about to give this evening is the
truth I do thank
you can you give us a a little bit more
background on your project sure um the
intent on this project was can you hear
me
okay yeah just okay as close as you can
um uh the the existing uh garage and
that is a detached garage on the site if
you could go back to the um demo plan
it's probably about first
plan right there this one next no the
previous one sorry right here um as you
can see there there's a detached two-car
garage or three-car garage there uh and
a stone patio and and what we were
trying to accomplish here for our client
is he really had no view of his yard
that garage was right up against the
house he felt and did not they've got a
nice nice siiz lot and really wanted to
be able to open up that lot and uh so
what we looked at doing is uh how can we
move this farther over and and and get
that exposure and and what we came to
the conclusion is let's move it to the
southeast of the property within the
setback and and it was critical for him
to have it covered he wanted a
connection to it um you know my intent
originally was that this was going to
be not a variance but um that was my
hope um I didn't realize that not having
a that having a covered roof roof
structure would not meet the intent of
an addition to the structure so so
getting to the
garage he wanted you know a large a
large garage two for two reasons one is
he's got you know equipment to put in
the in the garage but also up up up
above we were going to do a writing
studio um and then doing that trying to
get trying to get enough space up there
to make it work is how we came up with
the footprint of that of the garage
itself I believe is 26 by
26 well that being said we've also added
a a workout
gym so his intent is to be able to use
this space as a as a home gym go
upstairs take a shower
and write he's an
author um and he spends a lot of time
writing okay thank you is there a board
member that would like to go
first sure um questions so if this
project was a brand new build and the
garage SL fitness center was physically
connected to the house uh through a
covered walkway like this would that be
considered an accessory structure or
part of the main structure accessory
structure would still be considered
access because it's not an intrical part
intrical part would be more direct like
you walk from the door from the garage
right into the house five feet the part
would be not integral but if it was
connected it would be integral I just
thought I should get a legal
interpretation and this is where
no that's just my own understand but
that's a good question we've had these
discussions for 25 years I here we are
oh probably longer but that's how long
Kathy and I have had
discussion
um I think the I
mean square footage aside because it
definitely exceeds the zoning allowance
um the
overall scale of the of the building is
especially in the East
Elevation um where it shows the side of
the garage the kind the back of the
garage and the proportion of the house
Beyond it feels
appropriate
um it feels like the roof's little a
little tall in the wet North elevation
um but I think that's just the the
height of that and I don't know we're at
21 almost 22 feet to the ridge line of
the garage that is that is within zoning
yes I think they can go 25 and actually
the setbacks are all within the setback
requirements for a principal structure
okay
good so I think overall I I like the the
overall design of the project the one
comment I will have is if you go to the
rendering on page
one I feel like the the trellis
extension um you zoom into the lower one
above the garage doors the the trellis
extension kind of above the garage seems
a little fussy you have the brackets and
holding up the beam that should hold up
more brackets that holds up the I would
lean towards El eliminating the bottom
two and just kind of repeating maybe the
the top bees I think there just seems
like a little too much going on there um
I understand why because you're kind of
mimicking some of the other structure
through but I don't think that's as
important uh especially since you break
it uh at the garage where the Gable's
coming down the rake's coming down and
breaks that trellis I think you could
simplify that a little bit and make that
work a little bit nicer um I think you'd
even look at an alternate
if you didn't bring the trellis at all
and you did something like a little shed
a little shed roof or some with some
brackets on it that mimic some of that
maybe that would be an alternate too but
I for in this current design as just
submitted I think it seems a little too
fussy for me but
um and then I think you know personally
the going to the the
Fitness on a day-to-day basis and like
give this is ownership decisions through
a a covered walk but having them to go
through my garage where I could have
just had my covered walk take me
directly into that space would be you
know it could be a cost issue but um
seems
Seems you know maybe silly to me that
you wouldn't just kind of cover continue
to cover and walk towards the back but
as a design option that's not it's more
of a personal uh preference than a a CR
criticism of the design so overall I
think um I appreciate the visuals that
you you've put together um I'm
interested in in seeing further details
um
and because I didn't think I saw them of
exactly how that trellis is getting put
together but I appreciate that you've
have notes
in in your drawing what's the what's the
height of the bottom of the main beam of
the trellis um I don't know if I have it
I want to say it's eight feet is it
eight feet because it looks like it's
just above your door headers so well I
guess the under yeah the UND I guess the
the beams the beams itself are probably
a little over
seven seven and a half possibly the
lower beams and then the the
U trellis pieces that I sit up on top of
that and then there's a then there's a
roof above that I have a detail I I
brought with me if you'd like to look at
it and then can you just talk a little
bit about how the the trillis engages
into the existing house
it's G to well into the garage it'll tie
into the roof kind of hits into the
slope of the roof kind it hits into the
slope of the roof and and up at in the
house it's going to tie into the uh back
entry and that is a uh that roof is
membrane right it's it's going to be a
membrane rough water protection and
you're GNA tuck it under just underneath
the the sopit of the existing house
correct and then there'll be uh box
gutters on each side of the membrane on
each side of the membrane roof have them
on both sides both sides I I'll have a
little slope in the Middle
Ridge go
ahead Mr
rer the drawings and I'm sorry if it's
in the detail my print um but the
drawings indicate that the barrage is
Stone at the bottom correct and it's the
same type of stone same type of stone as
the as the front of the house that that
was the the image we're trying to
portray coming with the homeowner
request it is bringing that Stone from
the front front of the house great with
the stucco and board um detail
above okay and then the the detail on
the the roof I don't know the right word
for it is the roof trim the the the
fascia I guess the where the gutters
connect is that the same
detail that you have on the house it is
great and once again I only have one
copy but I could show you some of the
details well there's some beautiful
detail on the house there is and that's
and that's really important to the
homeowner is to to we want it to feel
like it was part of the original House
original
design okay thank you that's all I
had Mr
Hall yeah that's exactly what I was
picking up on some of the pictures and
everything pick up on this it's a really
beautiful stone detail where it sort of
steps out and the roof comes down and
captures the gutter I'm I'm hopeful that
that can be um carried out through the
stone that's on the
garage um I almost feel like there's not
enough Stone above like the sliding
doors that's over back here in this Den
um or workout area actually is what's
behind it I feel like the whole thing
needs to be just a little higher and I
think it gets back to how the you know
the tie in of the trellis is coming in
and hitting the roof too that all seems
just a little a little messy to me that
and I think it's just part of just not
understanding a little bit how the
details are working out but I think
overall I think as long as the
materialism and and it looks like it
will be it's consistent with the
existing house and there's a um
conscious effort to re imitate those
details and rubs and those sort of
things I I think it's going to be pretty
nice
Mr
hire you can could you hand that uh
package sure to the board this has more
details yeah yes it
does I'm also assuming um and the board
might have have had a chance to look at
them that all these photographs of
details were expressed that intent and
it's hard for me to bring up all the
fotus
that's correct visually uploaded right
that and and and that is
correct like the little Coral at the G
that you see in the front that is only
right there that's one stone it doesn't
go all the way through it's just you if
you see just to the right of the entry
right there uh just up
above yeah that's just a little Coral
out at that detail of that somewhere in
this
packet it's just really hard to do this
with it's it's not blown up yet but
there is a building
section yeah that's that's just a
reduced set because it's a large set of
drawings and I just wanted to have
something with me today
yeah I mean I would just caution you to
you know make sure that um the details
um are worked through with the design
consultant to match the existing house
and that's going to be a lot I mean
there's you have a lot of forms here
that are coming together you know how
can you take the time to make sure that
those details are all really thought out
you know making sure that that happens
and I mean I would just trust that you
would work with our design consultant to
work those
out it'd be nice if we could see them
again um get it up there I'd really like
to uh I'd really like to see those
details because it is such a beautiful
house and I think it deserves you know
being able to express that to the board
if it can come back from Bap after
that's what I mean I would like to see
that we've done that for other houses of
this caliber where we've asked for it to
come back because the details are so
important and even though this H this
addition is never going to be seen by
people driving by your neighbors will
see it you know in the Integrity of the
house I think it's
important
my issue with the design is is really I
don't feel like the column spacing has
been
worked
out um you have a a width for the
trellis and the columns you know the the
walkway but when you get to a corner you
change your spacing because you have to
you you you've spaced your columns out
wider on the long runs but when you get
to the corner you have to change them uh
to be to be tighter spacing if you go to
the let's go to the plan of
the new trellis system okay so here's
your
spacing right but then these two are
close because they're the same they're
the same width as as this as that right
correct right so why didn't you continue
this spacing down this way I didn't need
that's that's six foot it's it's less
than six feet and I just felt like it
was too many com it was too many right
so do you have to put one
here
the whole idea of this is you're not
doing a direct connection you're doing
an L-shaped connection over to the
existing house and therefore why why is
this corner being turned into a square
that's I guess that's my question now is
it because you have to run a beam and
the beam you know you need to run it
over and it to be sitting equally from
one column to the other or one peer to
the other this is something that we deal
with all the time in architecture it's
just I feel like this needs another go
around to to work that out out um
because it feels like okay well the
geometry is forcing me to do this but
when you approach this whole system I
think it's going to look unfinished in
addition you don't have one at the
corner here or an Engaged Pier at the
corner and typically in these
traditional houses you'll see an Engaged
Pier for some kind of covered walkway so
I feel like this just hasn't been
resolved yet um and I'd like to see it
taken to another level
um for the attachment to the
garage if if the if it passes over the
roof like you were saying because it's
up so high does that mean that the
roofing structure below remains in other
words the or the new sh there's going to
be new shingles that are going to be
below when you look up you can see
underneath where they kind of where it
overpasses and you'll see a you'll see
the shingle roof there I I haven't
gotten to that detail yet okay um
because why not just stop the TR is
short why does it have to go all the way
and well the idea was it was
connected structure to the house
therefore I wouldn't be going through
and what if it wasn't connected I mean
if it's
with well at this point it doesn't need
to be but at at the you know the intent
was that it was connected and I wouldn't
be going through
a so you have a new opportunity it
doesn't have to connect yeah I mean I I
you can have the the upper beams can
Canal lever and you get that overhang so
that the membrane roof of your overhang
is still you know there's no gap between
the buildings in other words from a from
a rain point of view it's right you're
you're actually over but you're not
touching the you don't have to tie into
the existing or not the existing but the
new garage it just doesn't doesn't make
sense I've seen trellises where they
just let it they let those uh Rafters
you know just kind of go over but they
don't actually touch and tie in I think
you've got a you're going to have more
issues down the road if you try to tie
those in together for an outside
condition like that why why
bother why bother tying them in plus the
height differential makes me think that
because the trellis system or the the
the loia or the Portico is not really
it's not tied into the same proportions
as the garage and therefore or it feels
like it was it might have been done at a
later date than the garage even though
you're doing them together at the same
time does that make sense it does and I
think that photo and I may not have
changed it originally I did have some
columns there but the way they the way
they would interfere with the with the
overhang and the detail on that overhang
I pulled them off and think if you see
that so they're separate but they're
close well they were yeah I'd have to
pull them roughly you
know 18 inches off the wall why with the
overhang because they're taller they're
taller than the over they're taller than
the overhand yeah so and and so
originally I did look at that you can
see it in this drawing and you can see
how they were intersecting into the roof
yeah and that's why I eliminated them I
think I think I agree I think the
columns are necessary to kind of end the
yeah and and I would be okay with
cutting that roof at that point and
allow that building to kind of engage
into this trellis system so you would
cut back that roof a bit just at just at
this Zone and then it may still over
overtake it up there but I think you
know designing that connection and
having a little bit more P purposeful
than just kind of them butting up or as
you suggested separating them entirely
yeah I would say either one pull pull
the column off a foot or two off and
then let the top Canever over it well
and at that point why do the columns
have to be so tall
I mean why do they have to be eight feet
tall why can't they be seven feet tall
because the when you have when you add
the beam in when you're inside of this
The Columns may be seven the beam's
going to be 10 the pearlins above that
or the rafters above that are going to
be eight you you've got more than 9 feet
clearance or n you know roughly N9 feet
of clearance underneath this thing but
you you know you've pulled it you've
pulled it down more I just feel like
these don't fit with with the house or
with the garage it feels feels like an
afterthought I mean I know what you're
trying to do but the design of it
doesn't jive and and I also don't think
they should be white they're they're
only white for the purpose of they
didn't pop out enough got it that's why
that's why they're shown that way yeah I
understand but but why does it have to
be so tall to me it's very column
there's like the columns are all so
close together is there was there any
consideration made instead of making it
an l-shape of just making it a larger
rectangle so that you didn't have to
walk in a straight lines to get to the
house you could actually walk at a
diagonal through it and then you would
actually have a whole big covered area
that you could put a sofa and things
underneath and to me it takes some of
the fussiness out of it and maybe the
whole thing gets done with eight
columns and it just simplifies the whole
thing that yeah and it doesn't have to
touch the garage or attach to the house
but it just it gets so close that if as
you're walking you get hit with you know
three or four drops of rain at the most
as you're making that path but that
would be that would be used a lot an
outdoor
living I'm saying yeah yeah just just
make a large that I I just think if
adding that much more roof over those
the uh the windows if you go straight
down Karen right
oops right into the into the existing
residence there's three white large
windows
uh it's a it's a trellis with um what's
the roof on it it's a membrane roof but
you don't have to make the roof over the
whole thing right that could be a whole
other level of design where you're just
doing a membrane roof over maybe this L
area and then you have a real pergola or
trellis for the rest of it allows the
light through you could put up those
tents in the summertime that you know
can shade more I mean 's I just think
there needs to be more resolution to
this what are the two additions on the
back of the house are those open those
are enclosed those are enclosed
okay and then you've got an outdoor
patio Beyond those additions are new
correct that's correct because a part of
that I mean what if you just took that
addition over and made it bigger
and yeah lost that whole part of the
walkway
well you also have if if you're pitching
the
the there it is
right if you're pitching the new roof if
it's a membrane roof and you're pitching
it in two directions you're going to
have water running up against the
existing
house well not at the house it would
itend just One Direction so where it's
up against the house so you're going to
do this for part of it and then and then
where it where it into the house correct
so what does that look like you know not
going to see it because it's it's it's
what's your
slope quarter inch per foot quarter inch
per foot yeah so there'll be a
bump between the two
correct
yeah I'm I'm just not convinced of of
the proportions or the
height um I think there's other
solutions to this I I'm I'm not I'm not
convinced that this is this is ready to
uh to get my
approval the I have one more comment you
can go to the East
Elevation looking at this on
the The Stone is coming along the side
of the garage returns and then comes out
where the workout room is below and then
you have this Stone exposed Stone Edge
on the right side correct and then
you're switching to I guess that's
stucco yes and it's going around and
it's dying into that you know pretty
neat little Stone uh fence or wall
that's on the other side I you know
having Stone just having that meat on an
outside corner to me is not very clean I
think if this if you if you want to do
stucco on on that addition it you could
probably end it with where it returns
off the garage back in that corner so
when it goes where the sliding doors are
then that could be the stucco let that
whole back piece be stuck over then it
dies in on an inside corner with the
stone wall on the other side um because
you're going to look at this elevation
you're going to see the stone sitting
out on one Edge and it's not mirrored on
the other right here is this the yeah
stone stuck to that side side but it's
then it goes around the other there you
go then you can see it just goes and
wraps around on the other
corner
either either it should return further
or stop back here or stop back there on
an inside
corner so I think that whole riding
Suite with the uh with the the fitness
area below I think that could all be
stucko you yeah yeah that would be stuck
yeah that that that whole element could
be stucko and I think that would
actually help this elevation a little
bit well it is on the other side isn't
it it is but if you pull that back then
you don't have that outside
yeah see if you look it is stuck on that
side
yeah yeah yep that whole that old Mass
should be stucko yeah or stone or sto
with some Stone details stucko with the
stone
yeah and then the um the the the little
garden wall with the archtop door that
will have some kind of limestone cap to
it
or for to end that and to you know
basically create a cap for that um
working out those details once again
it's something we're we're working with
a company out of
Chicago uh landscape company called
hores shout and uh that's kind of a
little detail they sent me just they
just sent me a drawing and said hey can
you show something like this so I was
just showing that in plan um they're
working on that detail I I I mean I
think that you know for for beautiful
existing houses in Bexley like this we
spend a lot of time talking about the
details because they're so important for
the Integrity of the design and you know
we've we've done reviews of houses of
this caliber that have come back two or
three times in order to get the details
right and I would suggest that you know
we can make a recommendation to beap
this is my opinion but we could make a
recommendation to beap but we would ask
them that we see it again to to get
through those details with
you so it wouldn't for my opinion it
wouldn't slow you down in terms of going
to Bap and getting your approval but we
would we would make the um requests that
it come back here for further review
well at this point with the discussion
that we've had so far I would actually
require that because I I don't want to
be responsible for all these changes
yeah um because they're they're getting
to be pretty significant
so think Bon are there I think the
overall design the bone is there I think
it's just I agree with H that work the
details there's enough to go on to beap
with the recommendation it's only two
more weeks to come right back here for
the final
weie and recap again the requirement and
how far they're over on the footprints
uh 194 square feet the square footage
allowed is
936 square feet and they are at 1130
square feet
but if you look at the neighborhood and
you see the house to the
South and a lot it's not a huge on the
overall size of the yeah it's not
overkill for the size of the
lot but I think the trellis influences
that because it's of its
scale okay uh so I am hearing that we
would like to make a recommendation that
it go to beap but that it come back to
us or would you be okay with that uh
yes so we don't have findings of fact
for that or do I do okay uh the findings
affecting decision of the board for
application number bz ap- 23-39 for
property located at 126 South Park View
the architecture review board finds that
the addition covered walkway and
attached garage are
architectually consistent with the
principal
structure but would
recommend mod the following
modifications that the simplify the
details of the garage West
facade that the details of the garage
mimic that of the house and that there
be stucko on the East End of the north
facade instead of stone and that the
final design be relayed by the
consultant to the zoning
board for their review and
consideration with a remand back to the
architect riew board for final
determination of a certificate of
appropriateness I would only add that
the trellis be
refined uh or the the what are we
calling it The the walk CIA the covered
Loa that the covered Loa be um you know
that the design be
improved
um simpli simplified improved and
details of how it if it's going to
attach how it's going to
attach that's where I had put stucco on
that West End or the East
end well if they remove they put it
stucco then it doesn't wrap around that
corner yeah I think I heard you say
something about that I'd like to add one
thing to this before we move forward is
this condition on the where
the stone and the wall meet yeah I think
it's a drone drawing issue but uh I've
made a note to for Karen to to continue
to look at this the massing of this
structure and the framing here doesn't
seem like it would align this way it
would want to either be consistent or
this would be pulled in a little bit so
but you I think you have the room to
shift the whole mass of that that back
stucco portion but this and this stone
is going to want to be continuous into
this wall so I
think just something to keep on the
radar for As you move forward in
developing the plan is that
this doesn't appear to
work and in the massing it doesn't it's
not going to work there something that
we're going to have a problem with oh
it's it's got to be a Revit thing it
could be well it's well it's yeah Arad
oh or yeah Chief Architect I'm sorry
that was my old system but it's uh yeah
sometimes trying to get these things to
can I get it you're getting your
presentation together but just looking
at this it's something that we're going
to want to pay attention to because that
that they're two different Heights or
two different roofs
and as you develop that they're they're
they're the same and they're in the same
roof
playe this is your structural wall this
is your structural wall they're not
correct correct they they are the the
roof they are in the same plane the the
bearing height on that wall to the right
is
lower I was it's kind of showing my roof
is in the same plane over hangs the same
stepping the building because you
lowered the bearing in that location
that's
correct
and so the important thing is in the
when the building is complete that the
stone is continuous into the
wall and then that the stucco Mass reads
well above that wall where that
transition is going to happen to from
Stone to stucko I don't know how high
that wall is on elevation but there's
going to be some important details there
that need to be worked
out so I don't think you want the stone
to be reset to look like it's recessed
into a stuckle wall
which is what I'm reading in that and
then even on your South elevation
there's a line coming down the roof that
would start to indicate that they're in
two different planes they're not I agree
with you because the other elevation
doesn't show that
but it should hit on it should come from
the stone not from the
stucko the wall oh that might even be
something that you could share or if you
can get it accomplished before the
zoning board meeting that you could
share with them how you show that
there's a line there's a line but the
intent you're saying continuous roof
surface and yeah once again it may just
be when I'm putting when I'm putting
together those things together in in in
Chief if that's not totally lined up
perfectly it'll I understand do that so
the issue is that the pl this the ele
the plane of this stucco in plan is the
same plane as the stone that's
correct so then what what's happening
above the wall is the wall going all the
way up to here at the
building uh once again I hav haven't
detail that fully from
the that's something that's one of these
areas of the details that will be
important as you continue to work
through this I'm only raising it now as
a as a conern of making sure it gets
done right why wouldn't you just offset
the tube yeah that's what I mean a
that's a big roof that has nothing on it
there's no there are no Dormers there's
there's no detail on that
um it's facing your neighbor to the
South is that right not correct yeah I
mean it's an argument that it helps
break up the giant structure so it it
only helps to have two separate Roes
right it would help if this was pushed
back from this yeah if you look at
massing here same I get that intent but
it could this C Mass could shift over
and just sit under the underneath
the right it be a stucko box the the the
farther I move that form over the more
difficult I I I have getting the stair
to work on the inside six
inches that's all you need if if I move
at six inches then one of the issues I
have is the rakes that's not you know
that rake's going to be the rake is
bigger than six inches and so they're
going to be up against each other I mean
I'm not trying to argue here I know
you're those are things that I've looked
at and I've you know run
into understand but designs from the
1920s 19 30s 1940s would never do this
or rarely do this you know there would
be a massing offset it was really in the
70s and 80s when we started to see the
double Gable thing where you had one
side that was flush and then you had the
stepping effect there's I call it like
Suburban Cascades and it's these
Cascades of triangles and you know so
you would actually be keeping more in
character with houses of this period if
you allowed that rake to continue even
if you're using that that rake Dimension
that you have the upper rake Dimension
I'll call it and then setting your roof
below that just below it it would just
be a cleaner detail and it breaks up the
massing unless you wanted to put dormers
on which I think would be probably more
expensive than offsetting
these okay sorry but I thought it
was so we do we want to okay do you want
to do you want the uh findings effect
adjusted then for your last comments yes
okay can you can you tell Kathy to what
she's
um further articulation of the massing
of the
garage
um for stone and stucco alignment
and offsetting the back
mass of the roof Stone and stco
refinement align yeah refinement I think
is better
refinement alignment
refinement seriously alignment and the
wall is
sitting I think keep talking about it
but the wall does sit right under that
to kind of For Better
M but you got a gutter there and stuff
running across it so it's still an ugly
thing to try
to yeah they do it like they didn't we
would be the same way if it was a modern
house just so you know we would be all
over all the
details well yeah I think this shows the
interest in that some of the level of
work and again you have a really nice
starting point for the existing
house and you included the photos which
yeah that was really helpful very
helpful that you gave some detail photos
it helps us understand the property
without driving out there thank
you okay so do you understand the the
findings of fact or do you want Kathy to
read them again I did I just had a
question for I think guess should is
this something then I should be working
with Karen on all these different
details I I'll be writing up the record
of decision um for the beap meeting in
two weeks I'll probably do it tomorrow
then I'll send you a copy and we can go
over everything okay but yes the more
you can get done before Bap the better
and
then but you you don't have to that
they're looking at the variants and then
you'll just be more ready to come right
back here and if they approve you then
you'll be back for our February meeting
so but
I'm when is the uh uh deadline for the
uh
entry for the next meeting for this
meeting you're good you're good you
already meant that okay you've got it
ready for the next meeting great if you
don't you could even give them
conceptual ideas of what you're
proposing to do to address these
concerns okay you're fine for for Bap
for new materials to come back here I
just need them a week
before week before Bap February before
before our meeting is February 8th so
okay February 1 yeah and and I can even
be I just need them the Friday
before February 8th which is the second
second
second so if the board Grant your
variance with the reand back to ARB
that's when your final design will okay
okay uh so do we need a vote then does
somebody want to make that
motion motion
ster second
hire Mr Hall yes H yes Scott yes ster
yes mam Tony yes okay good luck at Bap
and we'll see you back here in February
thank you do you guys want to keep those
drawings or oh you can have them
okay our next application is uh
Bap uh
2335 the address is 524 North
City the applicant is maranella Portal
the owner is uh
524-529 Cassidy AV LLC the applicant is
seeking Architectural Review and a
recommendation of a certificate of
appropriateness to the board of zoning
and planning for a conditional use for
classroom and party space rental and new
signage and I will um just make note
that this signage is in
place so our charge is simply the
signage not the
classroom correct there there are a
conditional use that's being requested
for the use uh the the the business
that's gone in here it occupied the
space prior to getting any approvals
from the building department or board
reviews so we reached out to the
applicant and asked her to submit
applications uh the signage has actually
been scaled back this is what's proposed
on the front it does require variance
due to the size so I would like to at
least get a recommendation from this
board to the zoning board if applicant
is here I don't think the applicant is
here okay and I I did call today and
left her a message that I had her on the
agenda for this evening so so do we want
to hear it if she's not here we can't
hear it we can table it to the end of
the meeting and if she shows up great
but let's table it to the end of the
meeting all right we will table it to
the end of the meeting do we need to
vote on that or can we just say we are
moving it to the backst okay um we'll
move on to the next one then the next
one is a consent agenda item that we all
um reviewed before this meeting and um
gave our approval to it is application
Bap
23-36 the address is 844 mantros the
applicant is Jan wolf and the owner is
Jan Wolf the applicant is Seeking a
architect review and a recommendation of
a certificate of appropriateness to the
board of zoning and planning to replace
the garage which will require a variance
from uh their required setback and so we
all did vote on that and that was a
consent item so um we forgot to
mentioned that at the beginning take an
official vote Yes Yes um and just just
for the sorry for the record um the
applicant has agreed to put a window on
the on the I think that she called it
elevation C and she's very grateful for
putting on this consent because she has
Co so nice Okay is there a board member
that will make a
motion so moved hire second
scottt I call the rooll Mr
rer yes Mr Scott yes Mr H yes Mr Hall
yes Adam Tony
yes okay our last item uh on the agenda
tonight is application Bap
23-38 the address is 919 UCLA the
applicant is Brenda Parker the owner is
uh Stephen gble house and Britney
worthman the applicant is seeking
architecture review and a recommendation
of a certificate of appropriateness to
the board of zoning and planning for an
addition to the front of the house and a
variance from the required side yard
setback and we will have Karen will
start giving us some background and yeah
I don't have a lot of background this is
before the board for the first time um
it seems conceptually appropriate to add
on to the front of this house given
where it is how it's cited um the issue
that I have and I'm I I know from
getting some feedback that some other
board some board members also have the
issue is um what and how the addition is
created to the front what it does to
that Dormer on the top and how it
engages and perhaps it's not the best
form um for that addition and we Brenda
you can come on up and we'll swear you
in and you can talk through um you know
your your process and your decision
making um please state state your name
Brenda Parker you Sly s from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the TR I do thank
you okay uh
so weird development pattern with this
house the rumor has it that there were
two ladies that built these houses they
were sisters and they had their
entrances facing each other um so the
entrance right now is kind of in the
sidey yard on the North side yard
um it's kind of over to the right if you
see that little Portico back there that
is the that used to be the main entrance
and then at some point someone came in
and added an entrance into the dining
room
um so the the owners hate the fact that
they just walk into their dining room so
they wanted kind of a foyer and their
front door collects you know all the
debris the coats the shoes and so they
wanted a place for that and then they
really just wanted the screen porch so
you know we kind of we looked at a lot
of different massing options you know we
did the whole flat that flat rough and
then we did part
Gable um we did full Gable we changed
the Dormers up but so where we landed
was the Gable accentuating the entrance
and the flat roof at the screen portch
to the
side um so we wanted another covered
area Beyond on the foyer so we kind of
have you know the foyer is a Gable and
then the Portico is is a Gable as
well um so that's the thinking and then
if you go back to that site diagram it's
super weird because of the street dead
ends at the
alley so it's like is it an alley or is
it a street but since it's a street
we're supposed to be 10 foot back from
the property line the existing house is
not 10 F feet back it's only six feet
back so when we kind of do that
symmetrical Portico and foyer space uh
we encroach into that 10 foot yard
setb so we're asking for a variance for
that so if it was an alley we would
comply but since it's still a street we
don't comply so it's a city rway and
there's quite a bit of City rway that's
actually yard along the side of this
property yeah yeah a lot of space that
appears to sit further back from the
property line than it actually
does wow that's a strange
situation someone could really come in
and add a whole another house yeah was
and it would be got rid of it yeah you
know but they they have a pretty low
budget for this project and you know
they're just trying to make some
improvements to give it a little bit of
a a little bit more curb appeal and get
the use they
need okay we'll go to board members is
that okay for questions Mr H do you want
to start sure why why not the um why not
having it all you know flat you know
across the front what was the issue
there you know I share a lot of of the
the different ideas I do a lot of
variations and I let the owners kind of
choose the direction that they prefer
and they preferred accentuating the
entrance with the Gable I was fine with
the flat roof it makes my life a lot
easier um
so if uh you know if if that is the you
know the hangup we can come back with
the flat roof design I think they would
be receptive to that if you know the
Gable isn't I mean these South Bexley
houses have so much clumsy
character I I mean some of them that I
walk by you know when I go for walks I
just look at them and say who ever would
have thought of doing something like
that to the front of their house but
they're from the 1940s and the 1930s and
you know like this chimney you know
going up and splitting the eyes of the
uh Dormer um it has it has this Gamel
roof which is it gives it its character
and I just feel like putting a straight
Gable on the front there is taking away
from that Gamel character okay the
Dormer it's that funky single
Dormer again it's clumsy character but
when you put the Gable on you're taking
taking away from that I think you're
taking away from the whole front
character by doing that it doesn't mean
that you can't add on would you
consider making the screen is it screen
porch making that stick out further and
reducing the mud room and having your
porch be um in line with in other words
having your porch be in line with the
front of the screen porch or even set
back even a little bit more reducing the
size of your flat roof it does take away
from the space but do they really need
to have all of that
foyer that's kind of what they're hoping
for so you're saying just to get a
little bit of uh differentation in so
it's not kind of all flat pulling
pushing the foyer wall back a little bit
toset it so for for instance on my house
we have this is where the dining room is
Clumsy uh windows in the front and then
the the porch is actually here like this
oh I see instead of adding this portal
on yeah I that totally makes sense so
it's all under the volume of that simple
rof right but you could even step it
back a little bit more like have a
return here so that you're continuing
some character that looks like it's
working with the uh the dorm that Dormer
that's above it um you know sometimes
just little moves like that can help tie
you in visually because of the the the
step um there's lots of houses in Bexley
that do that where the screen porch
sticks out further than the like a
covered entry but by pushing that back
it also a it reduces the cost B it
reduces the amount of flat roof that you
would have there and it makes that
Dormer more visible the further you push
that back the more visible that clumsy
Dormer will be right can't believe I'm
saying that but you know porch the
screen porch uh you have to go if you
zoom in on that Di
I 10 by 13 11 10 by 14 because the set
it's almost 14 wide and then it's about
10 it's 10 feet deep I believe the
setback that she is encroaching on is
the sidey yard setback not the front
yard setback yeah he's just talking
architect because I think you're saying
do a subtractive entrance rather than
yeah and because I think you know the
gamber on this side of the house is
going to be very this is lovely oh
that's the other side this side it's
even lovely clumsy but lovely and then
but this this Dormer is so funky that
having this here actually helps to give
it more
presence even though I mean when you
walk down the street I'm going to see
that Gamel on the side and then I'm
going to see this sticking out and I'm G
to read all of this together and that's
that's going to be really nice if this
is just recessed so that this really
just continues its character I think you
you you win okay it's just a matter of
you know convincing your client that
your mudroom could be smaller um but
they're winning in so many ways right
that they've reduce the cost of the
addition they're not they're not
interfering with the upper roof window
and they've got their front entry yeah
the way you made the porch a foot or two
deeper in order to get that recess for
the entryway does that change so the
actual porch the screen in porch gets a
little instead of being 10 feet deep
it's 11 or whatever 11
it could be a compromise pulling this
out and this yeah pull this out and push
that back you certainly don't have a
front setback issue and right exactly
it's just a matter of the proportion you
know when you're looking at this what is
the proportion of this screen porch you
know is it sticking out so far that it
really looks like it's getting crammed
in there yeah I mean the traditional
ports Dimension is8 feet right so 10
Feet's even a little bit more generous
than that but you're want to bring bring
it out too much further uhhuh but this
is a really generous but it's really not
a porch either it's really a screened in
room that's a room it's a room I mean it
doesn't it's not in this house design
it's not acting as a porch at
all yeah which is okay it's kind of that
Corky nature of this I mean this this
house is so out of place on the street
um I I it's just it's just sits way back
and it's just like it's one of those
things and again it's neighboring house
too but the neighboring house isn't as
visible as as this corner one um it's
weird so I'm I'm full support of like
pulling some of this house a little bit
closer they connected to the main street
so I think you know I think that's
that's a good idea and I totally agree
with what Mr hire is saying on on the
kind of proportioning of the I was going
to say push the screen porch back or
pull the forer just to offset the two
totally fine with going the other way
um it's just that the more you I mean I
standing plan pulling it more towards
the street but I think the this the
character of this house is very vertical
right you have this Gamel with this
steep roof and then it goes vertical for
a shorter distance and then you're going
to connect something on that takes the
line horizontal so I would say keep it
modest yeah yeah that's how I feel I I
just want to like move move that foyer
wall back
in
okay I had a question about the
foundation and in the existing house
it's some kind of block yeah it's kind
of like that
historic block yeah I'm concerned that
the uh cultured stone that's shown in
the drawing is not appropriate for the
the era or the house and would ask that
that be
changed um my only other comment is I'm
grateful that Mr hire made those
suggestions because you you look at
those Dutch Colonials around Bexley
there if there's an extension it's it's
just a
flat um flat roof across the whole front
of the house maybe with a little bit of
a slope and so a a something that
carries the
line the the the pitch of the gamber
roof would be great I know you don't
have enough room for that probably so a
flat roof rather than this kind of
colonial looking thing would be a lot
more
appropriate how did the rest of you feel
about the stone that was something that
the clients asked to
have can you match the
existing product that's on the existing
house pretty close well that that's okay
if it's close to the existing but when I
read this it seems like it's
um more um Suburban
imitation
and lick them stick them yes yeah it's
hard to kind of see the addition I know
is just traditional concrete block just
smooth on the on the back but my my
question about the culture of stone and
I don't have very much experience with
it because we just don't do culture
Stone it's something we don't yeah yeah
um but can you put it down at grade
level like
that yeah does it it's Stone it's just
two inches thick it's it on it's like
volcanic molded manufacturer specs are
going to say they went it four inches
from grade okay so it's not going to go
down to the dirt right suspend people
most people stick it under the dirt
anyway like Bulch and but you don't want
it to look like a Suburban home in New
Albany you know they or an inexpensive
home and this is a great house it's
weird but it's great and I'm worried
about the quality of that why not brick
they're G landscape it uh we could do we
probably don't want thin bricks so then
we have to no that's fine yeah expensive
so regular brick is better true yeah
regular brick but then you're how do you
frame it you have to you have to Candle
lever your framing so that the the
framing and the Bricker a concrete I
don't think you want a water
table I would be fine you working that
out with detail out with car okay
uh I just I've seen a few houses with
that and I look right I say just match
the existing concrete block and landscap
agreed or if they don't like that do the
brick that's on your chimney or we'll do
the brick yeah that would be even better
that' be great my my last my comment on
materials is the Hardy panel siding be
hard
um if this was a rear and you could
argue that maybe it is the side of the
house not the front
entry that seems more appropriate but on
the front of the house that detail of
the Hardy panel doesn't feel as
appropriate as as as kind
of the right material I think for the
front L room and that might be I'd love
to hear other opinions here today but
yeah so I mean feel it's kind of that
paneled porch look you know like the
side porches that have the panels that's
kind of what we were going for where it
was I get that on the side re it's great
and this is your front entry yeah to me
it doesn't feel like it has enough
quality for that front entry your point
yeah what else do you do I mean well on
my house in vinyl which is what they
have now but it's not going to be a
focus anymore because if you recess your
porch recess it's going to be in Shadow
and whatever peers you're putting on
there that you work out with Karen yeah
will be the things that you notice and
like on my house we just take the
aluminum siding and wrap it in okay it
it's in the background there's no you
know Hardy Board paneling or anything
it's just a it's just siding yeah we can
we can do siding yeah I
I mean it just then it's cohesive with
the rest of the
structure it's perfect if you said the
front of the house was on the back on
the left and this was the back and the
back porch Edition I'd be like great
love it I just don't think it's right
for the front
entry but you're really going to be I
mean that elevation in a sense is going
to be cut in half I mean yeah it's G to
be a lot smaller your area of sighting
is just here and maybe there's a window
there so really the there's not a lot of
s
left even be stuck
out it's just the sighting they're not
going to replace to sighting and it's
terrible sighting and so I'd hate to
continue a terrible product so that it
matches but we if it's
temporary I would be in support of
matching and yeah I would
too because everything is that sighting
right now you you're saving the client
so much money
I have a question about where you are
removing the door on the side um is
there a reason why you aren't putting a
window there it's oh they actually do
want to have a window that matches the
other window I forgot to add it back in
they went back and forth and I don't
think I updated it to the latest
iteration and then you're just matching
the siding underneath and above it yeah
there it is at the bottom yeah but yeah
we'll again true to form this house you
need to make it match this window which
one do you pick don't make it match
don't make it match don't make it match
it's not round you're let's go for that
clumsy character right that's what you
said when I was putting in a window you
said none of your windows match do
whatever you
want though it is close enough to be
mirrored from the other window from the
they're both in the in the living room
so from an interior standpoint it would
be nice it would be nice if you could
get that wider window to fit in that
door but it doesn't look like if the
drawing is correct it might not work but
at least the right edge of the window
opening would be W to be where the door
was that looks like that's symmetrical
because you're so close to being
symmetrical yeah yeah and therefore
don't true over go
the you never see this side of the house
it's it'll make their living room nicer
though to have that extra window in
there but it's kind of sad you're losing
that little bit of weird history that
some crazy people had their does I like
that's an amazing story I think the
other house still has theirs so there's
still a piece left oh
interesting change the door to a window
okay so am I hearing that the board
would like to see this
back I think it's a lot of so can can I
go to ARB and resubmit the AR for next
month oh sorry that's what I meant the
zoning yep so are we doing a remand or
not I'm okay with that yeah
yeah okay okay so so uh Kathy we'll read
the findings of fact findings of fact
decision of the board for application
number bz ap-
23-38 for property located at 9919 L
Clair the architecture review board
moves recommended the board of zoning
and planning for uh review of the zoning
with the following
conditions that the addition to the
front of the house roof be modified to a
flat roof and the for be inset slightly
and the applicant is to use sighting
instead of
panels and that the certificate
appropriateness be remanded back to the
architecture review board for final
approval and also that you're adding a
window where you removed the
door and no um no cultur
done window replace door on the North
facade and
NOS no cultur ST dad in this case it
would be great if you could get at least
the massing done on the drawings before
Bap because we will have to explain all
sure yeah I'll do this probably tomorrow
just since it's fres of my mind awesome
okay I just meant by the
25th okay okay do you understand the
findings effect the way they read I do
okay we will go ahead and and vote on
that then is there a board member that
will make a motion ster so
moved
second
I'll call the rooll Mr Hall yes Mr H yes
Mr Scott yes Mr
joer yes Madam Tony yes okay good luck
at beap and we'll see you back here in
February thank you thank
you if that is it we are adjourned
right adjourned oh my gosh after ring
all those cases and