all
right time is it
603 someone's late
yes all right let's call uh order
the October 2023 meeting of the Bexley
Board of zoning and
planning and
uh M Kathy will you call the role Please
Mr Turner here Mr LaVine here Mr Marsh
here Mr schik here Mr King here chairman
Beall I'm here also thank you very
much do we we have minutes this time I
can't remember did we get minutes
I think she wasn't quite finished and I
I didn't see an email in the last day or
two we'll probably have to catch up on
those one of these meetings I think
we're a month or two behind so well if
we let's say try to make a concerted
effort to uh to get that done uh we will
catch up next time we meet and she gets
an extra week because our normal
November meeting falls on Thanksgiving
picking it back a week to the 30th right
want to note your count so does
everybody know that the next meeting is
November 30th as opposed to the 23rd or
whatever unless you want to come in on
Thanksgiving you know right
exactly all right
uh is there there is an opportunity for
the public to make comments at every
board meeting meeting and if anybody
wants to comment on the general board
Business Without reference to a
particular case of course you're let me
know and we you could come forward and
make comments but I see no indication of
that so we go to Old
business which uh has the first case b
z-23 d23 involving 2200 East Main Street
has been tabled by the applicant as I
understand it
and do you want just an little update
okay I won't take long because no please
coup items we did just so you know if
you didn't weren't following that we had
a um a public Workshop which the board
members literally sat around and talked
through design issues there was no
public comment I think we made a ton of
progress the newest version of the plan
is on that is on the website under that
Workshop which was 17th maybe I can't
remember you'll see it if you go 17 yes
and I'm expecting updated plans and
elevations all that good stuff any
minute now to come to the November 9th
ARB and then they'll be to you after
that I do anticipate just to give you a
heads up that they'll be probably an
extra story in the front so it might be
ably it might be it may be coming for a
variance instead of just a special um
permit which might be beneficial to
breaking down the mass in the back and
covered that in the notice that was sent
out just in so they know they have that
option still so an extra story so it's
gonna be seven in the front no oh okay I
thought that came in before with
six the very first thing and then what
but what came in front of you wasn't
yeah okay um so I will continue to post
the latest updates on the online
whenever I get them and I did get a
um rendition of let say south and east
uh views which were significantly
different than what we'd seen in Prior
meetings it looks much better yeah it
looks much better yeah it looks much
better from the street the the breakup
of the uh masses is is better I know
there's some talk about whether there
should be a gap somewhere in the second
building the building for this away from
Main Street but it actually looked
pretty good to me uh so I don't know but
well I just want to give you an update
but we probably discuss it right I agree
okay
so we'll take that up next month or
whenever it comes before us so the next
case is bcap 23-19 involving 733 Vernon
and uh the applicant is Byron wori and
the owner is Barbara wariki the
applicant is seeking approval from bepp
for variance to allow a screened garden
house one and a half fet from the north
property line if approved the ARB
request that this application be
remanded back to ARB for design review
we never heard from them oh this was the
one we this is I drove by it actually at
again to take a look at it but yeah
that's the one where they had this
wooden Contraption built pictures we
never got any new information I think
Kathy called them to and I've reached
out to him a couple times and we can't
hear it if we don't have anything new to
right review
well but the next applicant is you
remember this case I don't know if you
you were here too yeah I think we could
give them at least give them one month
okay I mean I think that's reasonable I
mean if they're not responding in by
next month I mean then yeah then we can
yeah dismiss okay if they're tabled for
a year it automatically is gone yeah
yeah um so so do we do I hear a motion
to table this matter till the November
30th
meeting second Turner thank you all in
favor of the tabling say I I all opposed
the matter passes and the matter is
tabled on to new business the next case
is bz ap-
23-33 involving 131 South Roosevelt the
applicant is Brian Mars
and the owner is Ray
deliv the app the applicant is seeking
approval uh for Architectural Review and
a certificate of appropriateness on and
an 8 foot variance I didn't mean to say
or it's and an 8ot variance from the
sidey yard setback to enclose an
existing porch and add a one-story
addition to the rear of the residence
and I'd like to note that that 8 foot
variance on the agenda that that's an
error the notice that went out was for a
variance but it's a 1 foot 6 inch
variance to the required 8 foot sidey
yard setb I see okay 1 foot 6 inch to
the required so in other words only six
and a half feet instead of eight feet
got it is uh the applicant here please
come forward
sir and if you would give us your name
Brian marsich Brian do you swear or
affirm that any testimony you give to
the panel this evening will be the truth
the whole truth and nothing but the
truth I do thank you very much Kathy
refresh our recollection on this one or
I don't know we've not seen this one
before have we you have not this uh
property is located in the R6 zoning
District a standard lot size is50 by 120
this lot is 50 by
131 and the existing principal structure
is located 9 feet 6 inches from the
South Side property line except for an
existing open porch which
is
yes s feet six inches or it's six feet
six
inches okay eight what is the question
from the side yard it's a six six foot
six correct yeah six foot six the
existing distance from the sidey yard to
that existing PCH open yeah the open
porch is six feet 6 inches from the
Southside property line the lot this
cover coverage for structures is limited
to 35% with the proposed additions the
building footprint coverage will be at
29.8% the proposed addition to the rear
of the principal structure would include
the existing footprint of the open porch
and it extends 18 18 feet into the rear
yard at the same side yard setback as
the porch the addition would provide a
first floor bedroom and bath the design
also includes a new uh 7 and 1 half foot
X 12T open porch on the North End of the
addition this property has an existing
AC condenser unit located at the rear of
the principal structure towards the
North End of the house the applicant May
be working around the existing
mechanical equipment and why the
addition is more to one end of the house
and also trying to tying the addition
into the existing roof line of this
porch uh there is also would be an
overall distance of 15 feet between the
addition and the neighboring properties
house okay um this uh was approved by
consent agenda item for the airb and
with no um no changes requested
okay or recommended I should say sorry
Ryan tell us why why you're suggesting
that you do it this way uh well again
you know the existing porch uh the owner
he's an aging gentleman needs uh to
update his house so he can live on the
first
floor um the idea was to enclose that
porch at one point and then essentially
just extrude that roof line on back uh
using that Dimension is pretty effective
in plan and it also you know it
preserves most of the backyard or as
potentially as much as of the backyard
as possible uh where when you go around
the corner where the new sort of covered
porch is um you know to be be able to
use that existing line and Tuck
everything to the South as much as
possible U makes for the best rear yard
as
possible and so by enclosing it then
comes non-conform existing
non-conforming is that right expansion
of existing
non-conforming your work six foot6 now
and you're going to stay 6 foot6 all the
way down the line
correct all right has anybody talked to
the neighbor to the
South I did informally uh just one day
out of the site and they didn't they had
nothing against the architecture or that
uh they're completely fine with it that
that existing privacy
fence is right on the line and and so
you know they're used to seeing the
porch there they have they had no no
comments no one showed up that there
okay I have not received any
correspondence and they would have
gotten notice of course yes and there's
a sign in the front yard as well and
read it
I really like it I mean it moves it
moves the porch being right on that side
to around the back and seems like a good
you know seems like an improvement
overall yeah planwise it moves the porch
like you said around and it's right off
the kitchen dining and we're gonna blow
out that back portion of the house so
you end up with a open concept you know
in the back really it's creating more
privacy for the next door neighbor
yes yeah I know the the record won't see
me shaking my head so I gotta say the
same as Brian so nice I like it
thanks well any questions is there
anybody in the audience that is for
against this matter that has
standing I don't see any indication of
such and any questions for members of
the board or comments or
thoughts should we call the
question all right Kathy will you please
read findings of fact and conclusions of
law the findings and fact and decision
of the board for application number bz
ap- 23-33 for property located at 131
South Roosevelt upon consideration of
the application proposed variance and
evidence and testimony before the board
finds the applicant has proven that the
criteria to Grant an area variance in
beic COD section 12261 c have been met
and a 1 foot 6 inch variance from beic
Cod section 12 52.0 n R6
zoning to allow a one-story addition and
modifications to the existing structure
as
submitted the board further finds that a
certificate of
appropriateness should be
issued as submitted and in accordance
with the
recommendation from the Architectural
Review Board for 131 South
Roosevelt all right Ryan is that meet
your specs perfect members of the board
any additions or modifications if not I
would entertain a motion to approve the
findings of fact and conclusions of law
please so mooved shik thank you Mr shik
second Turner thank you Mr
Turner Kathy please call the role Mr
Marsh yes Mr Levine
yes Mr Turner yes Mr schik yes Mr King
yes chairman beh I vote Yes also the uh
certificate appr appropriateness is
issued and the variance is granted good
luck and it's looks like a good project
all right thank you very
much now the next case is offensive case
B-
23-34 involving 311 Westland but unless
somebody that I know has recently moved
to Westland Avenue I don't see anybody
else
here I did get a call earlier this week
from the contractor wanting to know if
they had to appear and I said well I
don't know anything about your case but
everybody has to appear no um
um no he's the owner uh yeah but he
comes to these things lukart does yeah I
know I was looking for his number I was
going to text him to see if he realized
the person who called me was Matt
dandorf
oh okay wow I'm wondering if they saw
2200 East M on the agenda and so I'll in
a couple hours yeah I'm checking to see
if I have his
number here I might have Matt's number
too
possibly
I did talk to him a couple times because
I we were maybe that's it one of those
famous Corner lots that you wonder where
the front yard is but yeah right it's
exactly confirmed confirmed by Catherine
right there oh good oh did he
okay let's let's tell them we already
voted on we should just all sit here
with our arms
folded we to
say
yeah he's looking for a parking spot oh
aren't too many out there tonight
Sweating Bullets no
doubt you should just pull in Ben
spot don't we
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I
do in Mr luk heart's defense I think he
thought that 2200 was going to be heard
this evening before yeah I well I I
talked to dorf he said I have to be here
till 6:30 you guys had four I was the
last today I guess so okay uh so the
applicant is Seeking a variance from
Mexico section 12642 which limits front
yard fences to 42 inch fences uh with a
special permit in height to allow a 5
foot high black aluminum fence in the
front yard that's along wesland Avenue
and behind the existing landscape the
applicant is also seeking a special
permit in accordance with code section
12643 which limits fences in the sidey
yard as it faces a public Street to 48
inch in height to allow a 5 foot black
aluminum fence to be installed inside
the existing landscape along Park Hill
Drive this corner lot is a regular
shaped it is roughly 137 by 115 in the
R3 zoning District the property is made
up of two combined lots that are
different sizes this property from what
I have found in the property file is
planted to Westland Avenue as the front
yard in accordance with the last known
interpretation
verified in the property file the South
Side yard South yard is used as a rear
yard being that the house and driveway
take up the northwest corner of the
property the applicant would like the
fence in the South yard area and a
portion of the front East
yard uh typically there are landscape
plans that are required with special
permit or variants for a front or side
yard fence however the majority of the
fence will be located behind an existing
tree line that wraps around the corner
of wesland and Park Hill Drive it may
not be as dense as the North End end of
the East tree line but should provide
adequate screening if the board finds it
appropriate to Grant a variance to allow
a 5 foot high black aluminum fence as
proposed it should require the existing
landscape to be
maintained um and provide adequate
screening and any additional Landscaping
which would be located on private
property staff would recommend that the
landscape consultant work with the
applicant or any additional on any
additional plannings that may be NE
necessary but this is a very dense tree
line so are
the stars trees and the slats the fence
um the actually the red is where the
fence would be back behind Okay all the
trees yes and there's um honeysuckles
along the what would be the South going
to the west and then along the west side
and there's
Pines um along the front of the Westland
Park part and everything along Westland
correct those are the stars yes
yes
okay and there's other bushes and um
grasses and stuff along the front of
Westland as well is this essentially a
dog necessity or what it yes so we we
would prefer to keep our German short
hair that's a runner in the yard and
stuff like that yes so he can make the
four-footer he can make the four footer
he can't make the five footer Cann make
the five correct or at least he hasn't
tried
yet I mean is that the primary reason
you're going for five as opposed to four
I mean I I would like to have a little
bit more security as far as long there
and stuff like that but then also mainly
for the dog and things like that is
another reason so for both what's it
usually allowed 48 inches or is it 48
inches uh without a a variance anything
over 48 to 72 requires a special permit
but it also requires Board review and
there's other criteria but being that
this is a basically metal fence it's not
really creating a solid barrier so it's
a little bit different evence you don't
have you don't have a picture of what
the fence is going to look like d there
was sent in with the
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um it's aluminum um probably six inch
slat with a top Rail and then a another
six inch down another Rail and stuff and
the rest is like to pick it
the
is it accurate to say that it's not
visible from the street no I don't no
everything
is covering from the Landscaping
things as much as I try to look at your
house he's my neighbor he's across the
street so
yes where do you live
Patrick right on Park Drive okay do
South yes right there okay so gotta the
honeysuckle what does that do in the
winter time does that die back where
everything's visible it it's more
visible but it's not I mean there's a
lot of brush there's I'm not brush but
there lot of branches and stuff like
that I mean so I mean I always have some
it's a little less than but it's still
it's deciduous but it's not yes right it
doesn't lose all it leaves for quite a
while I don't know
why when we
that's people through this this is
exactly
we
uhuh
right so it's not a wooden fence it's an
iron
fence
right yeah it's it's Square Tubing along
the top I mean it's I don't know most of
the aluminum ones that I've seen around
here have been and I don't have the
spikes on the top just because I don't
want a dog call to get caught on it and
stuff like that so it's I had a six-
foot fence and a German sh hair pointer
who jumped my six foot fence yes I'm
glad GL to hear you yeah I wanted to
it's a solid top Rail and then a six
inches down roughly there's another
solid rail with the pickets you know
going down then a bottom
rail well there's no question that this
lot is quite
unusual yeah the garage you can see on
the other side which is the other one um
to my North is it it goes side entry uh
mine is a side entry but the one is off
of Westland and their garage is just is
past the front of my house okay and then
they have a block wall that comes out
even past that that makes you
know you know a little bit so they have
a little bit more fence and or block
wall that comes out a little further
than where I'd be coming to so as well
yeah will the tree commission review
this no isn't honeysuckle
invasive yeah yeah it's rough but we
keep we've I have to trim them on a
regular basis and stuff because they do
they go go pretty quick but we've
replaced a lot of them with like the
Pines it used to go all the way around
the front of our house and stuff we've
replaced those with pines and things
like that the corner we've replaced it
with some grasses and some other bushes
and things like that on the corner and
stuff so and there's no side city
sidewalks around no sidewalks huh
typically if this was in a right of way
and there were sidewalks they would get
notification from code enforcement you
know overhanging sidewalks yeah no I'm
not questioning that I'm just
questioning if if tree and garden would
allow an invasive plant to be planted
that's all I I mean if he's planting new
plants and they're invasive plants would
the tree and garden commission allowed
to happen yeah it's it's private
property and I mean I'm sure you
couldn't just simply choose to plant
something like that but when it's
existing there's usually some leeway or
I don't know if it's NE I would not
choose to plant them let's put that way
right yeah I mean anything we've
replaced it's been with a pine or an
evergreen or something that's a little
bit more you know but we do you said you
get they become a big if you don't
maintain them you have to control them
yeah no that is on private property and
it's existing only have public
commission look at this if you don't and
that's why I pull up to show you how
dense the
street
right if you felt the right away was too
yeah I'm not questioning any of that I'm
questioning the actual type of plant I I
I thought you were planting Honeys all
way real they were already there yeah
they already yeah I thought you were
coming in and planting them that's why I
was they already existing you go to
Columbus Country Club you took about
eight million honeysuckles out you know
you couldn't see anything before now you
can see the whole golf course you it's
like
whoa all I got okay is there anybody in
the audience Pro or con this application
I see no indication of such
again because I see virtually nothing
except two lovely people that are here
to make sure that we operate in a a
board
fashion
uh any questions from other questions
from members of the board or comments
or I think this is a pretty unusual lot
and a pretty unusual
setup plus I I think the choice of
fencing is
appropriate it's my opinion for what
that's worth I um just from a procedural
question does Mr King have to recuse
himself since he's next door neighbor
that's up to him to decide I think I
will yeah I mean I just you could
abstain yeah from voting no
okay okay don't want to come I'd be
interested in asking Mr King just as a
neighbor do you have any problem with
this
no I mean I again I as
I look out my front with the front
windows of our home
into belue carts which I you know don't
do all the time you'll be happy to know
no it's all right it's your
front your front windows I get it you
really can't see anything or um all
right that's cool Kathy can we have
findings of fact conclusions of law
please the findings of fact and decision
of the board for application number bc-
23-34 for property located at 311
Westland Avenue upon consideration of
the application proposed variance and
evidence and testimony before it the
board finds the applicant has proven
that the criteria to Grant an area
variance in beic COD section 12261 c
have been met and an 18inch variance
from beex code section 12 64.0 2 to
allow a 5 foot fence in the front yard
and a special permit in accordance with
bexi code section 12 64.0 3 to allow 5ot
black aluminum fence along the sidey
yard as submitted be approved subject to
the landscape consultant reviewing the
East property line uh to confirm
adequate
screening
okay Mr lcard is that okay with you yes
okay
um should we do the variance separately
from the special permit request or can
we do them both at once do you
think I don't see why we can't do them
both at once in this situation I don't
think he'd want one without the other
right right all right do I have a motion
to approve the findings of fact
conclusions of log Grant a variance and
a special permit for this
fencing do I have a
second second Turner Mr Turner thank
you Kathy please call the role Mr
schik yes Mr King abstain Mr Marsh yes
Mr LaVine yes Mr Turner yes and chairman
Beall I vote Yes also the Varian is
granted and the special permit as well
good luck thank you is like a good
project I apologize I was late I just
thought you had more on the agenda I was
told I was last on the line so but thank
you you might want to double check your
contractor though you know yes he was
going to be here but he didn't show so
that's all right we'll let you can let
him know
that yes I will thank you all right do
we have any other new business before
the board anybody need to bring anything
up no Kathy anything Karen
anything all
right I would entertain a motion to
adjourn