20 the working session meeting for the
2200 East Broad Street East Main Street
um development
project um just to let everyone know how
today is going to work um we are going
to let the Architects present something
that they just showed up with this
morning and uh we will listen to what
they have to say about that and then um
the the board and the Architects will
sit around the table and uh and do some
more talking after that so uh we will
start with the Architects or anyone on
that side that wants to present and Cath
oh yeah and let's call the rooll first
okay Mr Scott here Mr hire here Miss
Jones here Madame Tony
yes um and so do we need to swear in
the sure um if the applicants who plan
to speak on this plan if they would
stand up and raise your right hands and
be sworn stating your
name
and Jason hawo please raise your right
hands you Solly sore airm the testimony
you're about to give this morning is the
truth thank you you want me
to yeah so Karen will give us a little
bit of update and then um the applicants
can come forward okay so the applicants
have been kind of forwarding revisions
on it this is not like I just got
something today I want to be clear about
that but we have a newer of it newest
revision this morning I've been getting
updated revisions the latest one was
posted to the website I think yesterday
or the day before um but they did come
in with some um alterations to the
facade and the plan a little bit today
so I just want you to quickly run
through it because what we really want
to do is spend the hour and a half that
we have around the table um it's not
meant to be any kind of a punitive shet
or design session it's meant to be a
working roll up your sleeves and really
like brainstorm and talk about um is
issues and and possible solutions um the
board members and the designers will
probably eventually just go around this
table and audience members are welcome
to just look over but it's just an
opportunity for only the board members
to comment back and forth with the
applicant um we won't come out with a
solution today that's not the idea is
not for the board to design this
building it's just to give some
constructive feedback and criticism for
the next step and when we rarely but
when we do these kind of meetings
they're very productive and we can get
three or four times as much done in one
meeting so that's the purpose of it um
it's not meant to ex be exclusive to um
the audience members you will have an
opportunity to comment at the formal
presentation I'm assuming in November
the first week in November at the ARB
meeting it may very well go to beap
depending on kind of what new variances
or special permits or or parking issues
come out of between now and then um so
there there aren't
Solutions yet and there's not answers
it's a working rollup your sleeve
session I just want to be clear about
that it's not meant to be exclusive um
so why don't the um Scott or whoever
wants to represent the the new design I
would Breeze really quickly through it
but I just want everyone to have the
opportunity to see all the new um images
because it's going to be hard to see
when we're surrounding the table so if
we can just kind of buzz through them
from the previous meeting
um turn you turn on the microphone just
so we can C through
your process with you all you have to
turn it on sorry I thought you said turn
it sorry
uh
um so real quickly we went back we
started looking at just the massing of
of Main Street um what we're diagramming
here is is a noie diagram from Parkview
to Cassidy uh just looking at the
streetcape and the figure ground
diagrams of each of the buildings we
also are looking at the um just the
aesthetic of all of the buildings just
to try to you know we want our building
to fit into the fabric of of
beex um looking at more specifically our
section of of the street we're looking
at both massing from a figure ground
diagram but we're also looking at Rhythm
and just how these pieces and parts are
put put together voids uh you know how
pedestrians move for for instance
through the Gateway um you know we're
we're trying to make sure that our our
plan fits within the the Rhythm and the
fabric of of Vex uh and just going
through through this quickly um so you
know looking at just the overall massing
uh we
were
we so we talked last time a little bit
about creating um a void space a
courtyard um which which we have we have
looked at and we're that's what we're
showing we're you know one side of the
building that so right now that that
courtyard is about 50 ft wide the the
far end of the building is about 110 ft
and uh you know the this corner of the
building we got about 80 feet so we're
we're breaking up the the massing of our
building so that it's not you know as as
massive along uh uh Main Street as you
know people are are thinking it is um
material so we we still have a very
strong uh retail two-story retail uh
component to to the building that that
that you saw kind of the darker
portion above that we still have offices
and then we have the uh multi multi
family housing as
well so here so here's the courtyard
that we're showing it's also the entry
to the office space that you go up um to
that Second Story office space it's also
the entry to for you know uh residents
who are walking um to get up to the the
third story um third story up and these
are just images of just different
portions of the building that you can
see the the retail um Corner this is a
pedestrian access that goes down to
Braden uh or Brien
Road uh the East Elevation um again
we're trying to break up the massing of
that building with uh um you know these
balconies that are slicing through the
the building to create these these
multiple Mass es that work down that
East Elevation trying to create some
depth as well with these balconies as
well as the cutouts um at the windows
we're just you know one of the comments
was it's very flat you know we're
working towards trying to create some
some
some you know some variation in that
elevation as
well uh so the the one that I think you
guys have seen we had a six story um
today so we're still contemplating
whether or not we have a paral six
story uh on the building it's something
that we're working with series C
on um but also uh this version five
story version it changes the massing
from the one that you were looking at so
you know as if if we do a compare and
contrast um I have both versions here
that we can that we can look at as we as
we move
forward uh so here we got the yeah the
plans so the front elevation
obviously in two Dimensions it looks a
lot different than when you're looking
at it thre dimensionally so um we're
trying to we're trying to show depth uh
in that upper elevation and then the
East Elevation on the BR bottom you see
the four mes that we're creating with
the balconies that kind of slice between
those U we do still have the one story
parking garage on East Side it is and
then we have a basement that you can get
in on the west side of the
building
plans uh you can see the entry Plaza
that we've created uh creating that void
so the and and allowing the two masses
on the top and bottom uh to fit more
seamlessly into how the fabric of uh
Main Street is is working
currently um so we do have we did put
the we we pulled the clubhouse to the
third floor um put it out on Main Street
so we have also allowed that roof Paris
to access or The Clubhouse to access the
roof Paris so at at ground level you
have this Courtyard Plaza um that's 50
feet wide as you move up the the mass of
the building um gets wider to about 100
feet uh so that you know it's just
breaking down that mass at at Main
Street okay yeah so I think that's
that's good I just wanted to um I don't
want to wa not waste but I don't spend
the time on
that sorry I should choose my words more
carefully let me just say one thing
quickly
um he had Scott has with him what the uh
elevation from Main Street would look
like if we added the recess on sixth
floor which is only on the front of the
building would not be seen um from
anybody street level or driving by which
is recess that
patios on top of it and there'll be just
a few units there um we're working on
the the everything we're doing is is
uh is costing us money um we're we're
figuring out which is the best
economically um to do but um my my guess
is it will be to add that floor we've
had a dozen calls from vexi residents
somewhere between your all age my age
that are looking to sell a home and stay
in town and rent um and and having that
kind of exposure on some 14 units up
there would would be very cool so we'll
show you a picture of that you have yeah
today you really it's recess so much
that you cannot see it from from Street
or driving the other thing is last week
um important to us hopefully to you um
we passed um School Board um and we have
the Tiff That Pays for the entire
park and that
is lets this project
happen get through these design issues
we're talking about we have listened um
what what's interesting when you listen
and you come to the public meeting where
we're listening to the board and um
we're listening to
U residents um you get a little bit too
much information um and and so we we
have interpreted and we like um the the
courtyard we have created and splitting
up the Main Street Frontage which we
heard was looking like a big commercial
building that nobody was really happy
with we also heard same meeting um that
we didn't see any reason that committee
people on the committee did not see any
reason to create um an entryway facing
Brasa um that we should send of this
thing and so everything we've done has
been based on those two elements the
third thing we heard was that the um
Eastern elevation U was too busy and and
wasn't really in
in in line with how actually would look
at it and so we've we we really improved
that greatly so we're listening we'll
continue to listen um in the end you all
understand um for me I've been doing
this a long time um I'm I'm not really a
proponer of having my bu buildings
designed by committee I've expressed
this to Suzanne um but but we understand
there's expertise here um and and so we
are we are listening um we we have to be
mindful of cost um among the little
things that nobody thinks about um is
that there's sales tax exemptions that
come with these buildings along as long
as some apartments are affordable under
Ami and we have to measure that
along with General affordability of the
apartments at a time that construction
costs are up 35% and interest is up
250% but we we think we're still within
real the reason we're we're promoting
maybe the the extra floor that will show
you um is we think that the revenue
created from that um mitigates the cost
um and and makes the building a little
better return um and and uh so we're
probably going to go in in that
direction but those are Works process
thank
you we're ready okay we're ready um I
laid out Trace paper on my table and
then forgot to bring it so I'm hoping
that you guys have it okay I think the
board members um should go ahead and get
around the table and we'll uh dig in do
you have any particular image that you'd
rather me put up here let's start with
with the Main Street straight on from
the front
possibly
and I can change it at any time is that
closeup or
close
you want to
move move
the
doesn't really work for any of the ACT
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members not very
well all right if you need an image
change on the
screen's got the
big I'm down here it lowers too if
you're you're worried that it's a little
too high for
you all this is being taped which you'll
be able to access for any review on
YouTube but I'm also gonna I'm not
gonna do you have any start um I mean it
definitely is improved in my opinion it
has improved a lot um it's starting to
feel like something that you would
expect to see in Bexley so I think that
makes us all uh much happier so I think
we wanted to I mean this is some work
product that we had behind the scenes
that wasn't shared the first time around
and we thought it was important to at
least bring it back on the table let you
guys see kind of some of the thought
process of why uh we think that the
courty yard piece specifically and the
massing along Main Street is
successful um spe specifically as it
relates to how does that two-story piece
I mean you know it is a large building
and so by putting a two-story facade in
the front with um the commercial and the
uh the retail piece it it responds to
the rest of Main Street in a in a way
that we think is is is successful and so
when you just look at the figure ground
and you look at the proportion of
building as it relates to each element
as it works up and down the street we
think that that that that really is is
moving it in the right direction so um
that's just what these first couple
pieces of paper were is just some of our
work product from
before the north side of the street yeah
south side of the street is almost a
completely different animal than the
North side of the street and when you
try to draw inspiration from the the
South Side you get lost right so we have
we have the office and the retail and
the mix use on this side of the street
that's where we began to find the Rhythm
and the elements we wanted to kind of
incorporate
into
exactly but I think as bradis point out
you know we tried to identify where
these little pocket Parks were happening
along the the Main Street and we really
thought that was an important way to you
know as we got feedback on the corner
entry we thought it would be nice to
kind of draw people in and create that
break of the mass so that's kind of
where that came from is it okay P
absolutely fire away right on it is it
okay fire away it's all yours so the
other one that I think is important is
right here okay this area sure and you
know I think when the Main Street
guidelines were written this was
something that was written in it was
kind of hinted at and then we did Main
Street guidelines 2 and the whole idea
of pocket parks and public space came
became a very important issue at that
time uh along Main Street and because
Main Street is a work in progress you
know those opportunities when they come
up we have to take advantage of them in
my opinion and this space right here is
a really important uh you know space
that you can help us with on your for
you know for what you're going to be
dealing with because you're show I mean
is that something that's going to be
City developed and you're not involved
in any of this particular area or are
you g to be involved because of the
traffic flow and all the yeah Ryan or
Jason you get want address
that is that
the yeah yeah the cic lot right here
yeah this so the foreground of that lot
there is something yes you're showing
some development there and
so specifics there are that that that
Jason um and um the mayor um want the
right turn out
close Okay and the reason they I was
arguing about that because I think the
most ways in and out they helpful they
wanted close because they say it's such
a right turnout it's hidden that people
are walking by and it's kind of
dangerous that also then gives us the
ability to create another pocket park or
whatever you refer to it where that
right turn out is now what that means is
I remember the day last time we were
here you mentioned how you leave from
behind your sepis and you get out of
there at this point getting out of there
will mean driving through our property
right and making a left turn at our West
Road that does not exist right now okay
if you choose to go that way right and
that gives us the opportunity to um do
what we're showing here in that area
Ryan Pearson our planner with Edge who's
right behind you um he also has been
working with the city on how to redesign
the parking lot to do head- in
parking right what we're talking about
is saving the median that's out there
today with the trees in it so maybe it
has parallel parking on this side of the
median a oneway motion and then on the
other side we would go to head and
parking to get some efficiency out
two drive so if I may I told you I was
gonna be quiet but I'm gonna I'm gonna
pipe in here because in preparation for
this meeting I talked to Jason sui for a
while just about this issue yesterday so
I wanted him to give me a heads up we
all know how buildings can change in a
meeting like this um even a minor change
of door can very much affect the traffic
so I wanted him to give me a heads up of
anything that was off limits that would
change it and he said nope you work on
the building we'll figure out the track
traffic the traffic he is very right but
the building includes this idea of the
space to the east of it the FR right
right because I would I mean the way I
see it right now these images are
compelling but to me uh I am reading
this more like what Market District did
and it doesn't really provide enough in
terms of public use if you look at the
new developments at the Northeast end of
Easton which whatever you think about it
you know where they have the brewery and
they've got the pins and all that you
know I was walking through there and I
saw places where I could sit I saw
places where I could enjoy spending time
with with um you know friends and family
and this is just Planters and walkways
so I think we need to you know consider
that as as we're moving forward because
this is something again that Main Street
guidelines too uh land use strategy I
mean there were so many commissions that
talk about the importance of public
space and you have an opportunity here
to give back and in that vein I would
say that this Courtyard is it's feeling
very um kind of New York private right
now like you kind of go into this recess
and there's this great entry W for the
residents of the building which is great
is that going to be really a public
space it's just paved all right the way
you're showing it um it's going to also
be I think there's going to be more
sunlight on it than what the renderings
are showing because it's facing south
this all looks like it's in the
shade uh that's a better one and there
you have the public seating for or the
restaurant seating which is great I
would stay away from creating levels
because that to me just breaks it up
into private areas uh which is I think
important for the restaurant but for the
rest of it how do we make it more public
where people can enjoy that space sit
down uh walk their dogs you know around
let their kids kind of run around I
think that's important and yet I see
what you're doing Edge group's done a
nice job with the uh main entryway into
the building and in terms of massing my
the only other comments uh before I let
anybody else uh talk Pete I'm just is
um you know this this the idea of
stepping back uh this is a nice success
I think the idea of stepping back for
that to get that six story um I think
that needs to step back at its up at the
upper levels just a little bit more it
doesn't take much to get it out of sight
line um and I think you're missing an
opportunity where you could do that in
two locations so if you go to the
plan
um we could go to the
plan and do you have the the one with
the six
story I I have here while getting that
pulled up just one thing to remember the
site Falls
eight to nine feet as you go from east
to west yeah so to to go back to your
Plaza discussion the great transition I
think it plays into a point that Karen
and I discussed yesterday for the Flor
of space as you go vertical you know as
you go go to the West we have elevation
that we need to make up on the building
and some of that comes through the plaza
area hence why those some of those
patios are stepped what you were seeing
and then secondly I think uh what we try
to do I might you tell me if I'm wrong
on this take advantage of the floor
spacing between the East and West
because the retail on the east side
doesn't want the depth as much as a
restaurant on the west side and trying
to get that openness in the building and
what's the reason for that why why have
you decided that the restaurant must be
on the west side rather than it really
comes down into the elevation that plays
a big part of it you can think about the
floor planes as you go up that it makes
as you go across the transition that
Flor space
for volume has highering to begin
with it's just a logical place from the
beginning we put it it's not a question
that Lieutenant wants to be there rather
than here the T were working with on the
other side is very likely to be a two
floor tenant um and be a medical office
that ceing
height
11 versus 14 or 15 or the restaurant the
restaurant and and then the the area and
then I think Jason properly explained
then why that patio sets down as well
the other thing is from from the youth
standpoint though I understand what
you're saying we figure out how to make
everything more congenial but I don't
really think that the restaurant once
pass by with their dogs down there well
I mean it's Urban right it's an urban
location okay yeah one way or another
even if they have to step down a step um
but but uh um you know I I live around
the corner um and I don't know why it is
and
just adoped a mantra being personally
offended when I see things that offend
me um
and I live above kitties bookstore and
it pisses me off every day when people
are bringing their Starbucks and sitting
in the chairs in front of it okay um it
it does you know and yesterday there was
some of wi and's coffee with the cup
there okay so so I I think that the
patio that part of it should be private
to the to the restaurant the rest of it
we can do what you're talking about with
and making it more congenial um I'm just
trying to that's all I'm yeah and that's
all and I'm really getting what you said
on the east side of the building so we
we can literally come back with a with a
a park there that's for people not
planters right um and and because the
space is there so we we don't have
anything all we've tried to do right now
is show that is space we're not
designing that right now um then the
third thing you mentioned that I might
have a problem with I I think that the
sixth floor we have something here
showing I don't know
where is set pretty pretty far back I
don't think we can set any of the other
floors back without losing space that
one we can because it doesn't relate to
the parking that but that's what I'm
getting at
is if you had two sections of six4
instead of one that would allow for more
you have one no it's just one it's just
one row yeah yeah yeah but it's on
either side what do you mean two
sections I mean going to the north
having another one more to the
north the six six Flor I'm saying you
know you know can we can we this is an
elevator but can we can you actually
create more depth somehow by utilizing
this as well as that because I think
it's still too flat I think it still
reads too big what you've done on the
front I think works because you created
these vertical sections with a lot of
space in between the voids if you can
create more of that effect on the sides
I think you could actually make a
successful um transition to a sixth
floor where you're not going to see it
and you also have these great Penthouse
locations that from Brighton is not
going to be visible and M basically from
Main Street and from the West are not
going to be visible so you're there's an
advantage here for you can't AFF it
these really aren't getting much of a
view they getting blocked by that I why
I can't AFF I can't build any more
parking okay okay but this is only from
I'm only talking from an aesthetic point
of view it's not about cost so if
there's an issue with this in terms of
cost then uh maybe there's another
solution we can move on to but Frankie's
also saying you will take another cutout
of the building somewhere else in order
to put more units up on the top so what
you're
doing to the higher construction type
right it changes the cost of the
facility whole building ches it was one
thing to do withont
yeah three here five back here we're
going to do a 20% jump construct that it
it changes the construction type to to a
more expensive construction type and we
can't park
it and then if you cut out the piece
like Bill wants to cut out now also
cutting out part of the
parking okay because in the front we're
not cutting out the parking Gage because
we have the driveway going uh east and
west W and then the garage is to the
north of that right back here right in
the middle of the garage with all due
respect yes your designers from what we
had last time to what we have today yeah
have made an incredible you know effort
and for us to mention these things you
know even though it might be over the
top from what you're expecting to to pay
these ideas will help them to come to
another level like they did for the
first one that you they've done a great
job can and we'll get there thank you
I'm simply saying you for me not to
respond to the things you're talking I
understand it's all for public record it
makes sense yeah yeah I agree what I'm
saying to you is this is really even
though it looks like functions like one
building with one point okay there's a
building in the front and that building
we could make modifications to because
it does not sit on top of the parment
structure okay and so we made those
additionally by one of the biggest
questions by adding 14 units this can be
part the 14 unit
okay we're very close um but but when
you you're going toach anything to it or
start subtracting from the garage when
you're cutting out that becomes another
problem now you know maybe there's a way
that we can get rid of some units to the
back and create what you're I think
that's what he's saying I think he's
saying to displace units and move them
too and move them up well I can't move
them up Scott that cost money okay get
rid of units and and at this point that
saves money but causes us so we're just
GNA talk instead of trying to figure out
the cost we're just going to talk in
very generalities about formal
volumetric moves that then your team can
go back and think about because we no
one had any preconceived notion about
what opening a courtyard might look like
but and just as an illustration that
your team did exactly what I'm
suggesting now they took the general
idea and implement it there might be a
whole another way that doesn't cost you
money that they can figure out but to
break I think the point is to to step it
a little bit and and and in return you
could get a higher volume at the top I
actually think that doing that
indentation on the side of the building
becomes more usable because again as I
go down uh Main Street I mean I don't
sit on the front of Giant Eagle they
have a giant porch there I don't I don't
ever use that
and I don't I think with all the traffic
if you do have kids or whatever that I
think that those indentations on the
side it breaks up a bigger Mass um the
the mass across the front of the
building to me is very similar to what
um you know the building to the east of
you um is so I don't think you're
getting the biggest bang for the buck by
putting it on the front of the building
is if you had done it a small one on
each side um I think talking about the
east side and the west side yeah the
west side of the building basically
there a is a
driveway I understand but if you create
a little indentation there I think that
is a quiet place that someone would want
to go sit and have a a bonfire or
whatever whatever amenity you put in
that little place I think that's a a
very desirable place to sit it also
gives a little bit of relief to the
Alexander on the on the side of you um I
just think you can create something that
people will actually want to use more
than by putting it on the front where
it's just an entry way into a commercial
building if I want to walk my dog I
don't want to go walk my dog on Main
Street you know if I want to go sit
quietly and read a book I think it's
it's the side of the building that gives
you and it's such a big Mass going north
to south that breaking it up that way to
me will feel better so my the last
before uh sorry Pete no yeah I'm
listening um the other the other item
that I think is important is that um in
order to make this building feel like
Main Street um this is not shouldn't be
emphasized it's this that is really the
top of your building and this becomes
the penthouse you know for the fifth
floor and this up here becomes a sixth
floor and in New York you'll find that a
lot of times the the main cornice is
here might have a smaller Cornus you
have a little bit more of a step back
and then this one has a lot of times no
Cornus at all right it's it just kind of
does its own thing I think you need to
emphasize this as because this is great
you might even have a you know have a
smaller one here this is your main
cornice which is almost there but not to
have this huge overhang up here because
all it does it still reads like a
five-story building with this huge
Cornus you pull this down to here now
it's the same size as you know um the
grammar SE and then you can you can
actually do fenestration a little
differently you know it just sets steps
back you use a different color like
you're doing is this meant to be brick
yes so it's this kind of iron spot you
know y nice because I I think this is I
think it's really successful I just
think there's some moves here where you
can emphasize that four floors versus
the five versus the six
so I'd like to comment
suan I can't disagree with you more
particularly on the west east okay um
that is not in play in any way um the I
don't know anybody would want to walk
the dog there there's not a Glade of
grass there and and it's a driveway and
it's it's been position because
of your Jason and our Jason Ryan as the
exit to take the place um of of the
right turnout on the Bexley lot okay so
it's Nether going to be a safe place for
people to be walking or to be you know
having a bonfire or whatever it is
you're saying there um the East
Elevation is where biggest entry now is
going to be to the parking lot okay from
the the parking
parking
again we're getting rid of the the road
going to short brighten that will be
gone okay closed so we're now very
sensitive to where people are coming
into the garage and out of the garage so
there's already a lot going on there in
the way of recesses those are the garage
recesses that we've shown we have a we
show an elevation or whatever of of the
East Side it is now which we think we've
made great Improvement on but it is one
big long thing you're right okay and
maybe we can do stuff about
that single so
step corner unit that's the
best I like this very much that up makes
the building
feel but but to pull together Suzanne's
um comments I actually think
was getting to a solution that addresses
exactly and I don't disagree withan and
the idea that there's some separate
pocket park spaces that are more for
just pedestrians I think that's what
bill was getting at at the corner here
at at right here and so I think you can
get what you're talking about it might
be a little more to the front of the
building but to do some kind of where
the Planters
are
pedri right with
withs removed and with benches and
plantings yeah I mean I like to think of
it from a use perspective like I can
imagine a time when Ben I hope Ben's
okay with me saying this that um maybe
the Beckley Farmers Market becomes here
once a week and that your building has
spaces for people to sit and interact
whether it's a you know a fire pit or
benches or whatever
we want to activate Main Street in this
space I got it so understanding
that dealing
with so whereas we're we're changing the
entry for the garage from the north east
now to the to this site we are we we
can't close off completely going into
our parking lot because of buyer access
and so and then we have the two areas
where you enter the
the E so I don't know how many spaces we
have left but what I'm saying is we're
happy to do whatever is necessary to
activate this entire East Elevation and
create what you're looking for in the
way of of of pedestrian friendly spaces
uh and places for people to sit down
with or without their dogs into cup of
coffee um whatever so um but we have
certain constraints we know we will get
exactly what you want at the southeast
Corner okay of our property the
southwest of the city's property um we
need to look at Li what we can do on the
length of it and where we can possibly
do something understanding that you what
you don't want to do here is lose
parking places either I think we should
let board members all finish
commenting
um well one great I mean architecturally
so we I want to reiterate today you know
our job as this Architectural Review
Board is
to is to review the design discuss
massing in our approach so um you know
six stories was a surprise to see that's
a variance I believe that's a bza
there's other things I totally
understand the construction costs and
things like that that have to be
balanced once you go to six stories in
in wood or not would um but I think your
your approach and your redesign of Main
Street is extremely successful I
definitely understand where uh bills
coming from on on this kind of making it
as public as possible but you know
having a restaurant out we seaing that
makes it public there's an office entry
that's only as public as you can make it
um but I think breaking down that M the
facade is extremely successful and how
you didn't just make it you know a
U-shaped Courtyard you you've actually
broken down the massing you have an
outdoor third story I think deck for the
clubhouse fantastic actually was some
Trace if I kept it or brought it with me
you would have seen that so I'm glad to
see that um because I think that helps
activate that street scap you have cross
street you have a big empty blot who
knows what's gonna go there but this
this connective tissue from the bank uh
because it stops at the bank all the way
up through Main Street is pretty pretty
pretty pretty tough to maintain if if
you don't have these pockets and these
all these the things that we talked
about is public amenities and I think
that's why and I know we focused on the
entry to this parking lot and the
screening for this parking lot but that
connective tissue because it is a main
parking lot that's not going away is
going to be critical so you know to Ryan
and team I think it's is is is really
kind of focusing on that how we can
screen the parking but also make it I
mean that little pocket park next to the
the movie theater by Giant Eagle is
people are sitting in that all the time
it's great it's this little thing it's
not very complicated but it's a way to
kind of activate that a little bit more
than just the planers so I think you
know that's a little bit out outside the
architecture side but I think that's
really critical aspect of how we
continue this connective tissue and
bring people and walking down and
contining to walk down over to the bank
so I think the facade the massing
approach on this this on definitely on
the Main Street side is extremely
successful I totally agree with u Mr H's
comments about the the way you do the
brick details and and stepping and and
help this building step back I think the
challenge for me is still you know
obviously there's a there's a profor
here that you're trying meat there's a
cost of the land and you're trying to
get the density into the site um is
still just this mass of the of the
overall building as it goes back to the
north you're you're going from a five
story you know six-story almost building
to a one story signal Family
Home and I think there's some things
that I would still be interested in I'm
sure you can't drop a whole floor that
kills your density uh but by looking at
opportunity to maybe take a couple units
and add them to the six floor you know I
I know that we made a whole another bar
that's out of it's 20 30% more
construction changes our construction
type but ways to try to work at stepping
the building down and that's massing at
the back I I don't think you should
change your parking I think you have a
parking is a critical aspect to this
project and the success of this project
congratulations on the Tiff I think
that's excellent news um so I think I
just it's still just a very big block
going towards the the North and I I do
appreciate all the efforts and the work
of simplifying that facade I think it's
a much nicer building you know you're
well on your way to kind of getting
those details right but the massing to
me is still a challenge because you're
you're really budding up against I me I
think you could argue to the west where
it's three and a half four story
building um you know you're you're
you're you're you're playing with a
little bit you're at least in some
relationship um though I'm sure the
residents don't feel that way because
it's the scale is much different but
there's a really hard argument on that
north side because of the five stories
directly to the backyard now I was
looking out here before I came in these
trees there's a significant amount of
old growth there that's going to I'm
hoping stay I think that's right at the
property line uh so there's this huge
kind of old growth
buffer no it's fantastic because without
that we have a much different
conversation I think because you're
building up right into these people's
backyards also it can live because
there's that parking lot that stays yes
yeah it's not like the trees that are on
Main Street right now that have no
chance that's right that's right no I
get
that we looked at that that's why they
said first
meeting ask the building farther away no
and I think that's critical because
again you you know you're you're there's
zoning there's all these things that
you're allowed to do on the site based
on the the things that have been put in
place for you but but trying to respect
you know the relationship of what's
around so I really appreciate that
you're not building right up on the
property line there I think that would
be a huge mistake and something that
couldn't but I think there's still a
fairly consistent Mass that's going back
I do appreciate that with the
undulations in plan you actually get to
break up the roof line without having to
do a lot parit work which I think is
better
um but so I think overall the project M
is really really successful in moving in
the right direction um I think the my
only other comment based on what I've
seen today is that parking garage still
as a base of the building I understand
but feels foreign to the brick work
that's happening above so can you guys
talk a little bit about what that the
finish on the parking garage is I know
if you look at the the properties just
here West there's some really you know
paying a lot of close attention to how
they detail that garage big garage yep
yeah I mean so a lot of it would be open
um and so we were talking that you know
between between columns obviously so
there's going to be some walls where we
have entry stairs um but in between
that's going to be open open probably
all the way to the ground with some sort
of it's going to be just a wide open
you're going to see try to make it as
open as we can just now that's an area
that if the city is willing to lose a
few parking
places that we have space there to
create green Pockets yeah okay um and
and so that becomes you know and and our
one other thing our garage is a public
garage by virtue of the Giff okay um
and so it can take the lot behind
it between the
resid building so there's areas there
that when there's a big meeting at City
Hall here or whatever um that people can
flow into our party area because it was
designed for that okay um so but but
that would be a way to based on what you
just asked those areas is break that up
and Frank is it the whole garage or is
it just a certain certain portion of it
well it's it's a public
garage for the
restaurant the office
users and for what's going on here okay
um but it's basically what happens is
there's total between the garage and the
back parking lot how many spaces
300 308 309 308 or 309 someone who lives
in the building will have a designated
spot they will not have a designated but
they will be guaranteed a spot when they
come home from work so there will be
some parking spaces that will be
available to the public some that will
be available to people who are in the
building for business or restaurant or
whatever yes yeah okay so so a lot of
times typically during the day residents
leave business parking comes in evenings
there's a little bit of an overlap but
that's you know there's the calculations
and algorith
what's happened is it's all numbers that
we've had for the last 40 years since Co
don't don't work at okay because because
now you know we do more two-bedroom
apartments today um because people are
working at home and they don't want to
work in the one room they have okay you
know and so everything has changed the
other thing that's changes is you know
there was a time that everybody would
show up for work at whenever 8:30 9:00
whatever was that it's not like anymore
either so so
you can look at that as either if you're
trying to find a space and there's none
you're looking at that is very bad and
if you're trying to find a space there's
50 of them right in front of you that's
very good and you just don't know what
that is right okay yeah I just think
about it from our perspective when we
come to Thursday evening meetings and
we've have a lot of people coming to
them and orange theory is going and the
restaurant's going so it's be space yeah
and and then somebody who comes home and
they are driving through the through the
but also let me explain in consideration
for the Alexander that just made a point
of the fact they don't want people
coming from here into that our lot right
okay you can't get straight into that
lot right right no I'm just I'm just
happening every for everybody that we
accommodate we're hurting somebody else
just simple as that and so in the end
you all have to decide you know what is
going to be best for best well right and
if if that could be a segue into another
um
idea and that
is is it possible that this restaurant
would be more successful if it faced a
public plaza where people could sit
outside and there would be you know more
public you know this sort of pocket use
here where you could have seating
outside look across there's people going
in and out of Brasa um I just don't know
that this corner has any
compelling use I mean retail I get it if
this was retail and this was restaurant
you would go restaurant retail
restaurant okay because and that this
retail would lead you to this this
retail would then lead you from down
here up to this restaurant but to have
this outdoor seating in here for this
restaurant to me would be way more
compelling I mean Cameron Mitchell did
that at Cento he builds a new patio next
to where you know G Michaels um you go
to East and Rio and all these other
places that have you look out over a
public area as you're seated it's more
restful it's more enjoyable to sit with
friends um I just don't know that this
corner is really that compelling for a
restaurant well first of all we've got
most of the outside seating on Maine and
around the corner in the courtyard
secondly the the buildings to the West
it's a private Courtyard in this in that
sense here you're more public like this
this to me is more public it's it is
it's a public
par okay so if you could work with the
city to actually get this rearranged you
could actually make this more of a
restful space just up front even though
the driveway is going to be over here by
Brasa you could this could be more
restful I think this corner is better
for a restaurant
than you know just kind of yeah but this
could also be a
restaurant don't think you could support
to I would I would be I would be more
interested in going to a restaurant that
had these kind of vist right up Main
Street over to the capital lawn as
opposed
to so he earlier that that side of the
building has an 11 foot ceiling and this
side of the building has a 14 foot
ceiling so which is better and the other
thing is Hudson 29 who talk to
right bu
restaurant if he comes to town here um
which of these Corners is on our
building is going to have zero effect on
him right plac will be and and I like
the fact where it is a because the
ceiling's higher and it doesn't change
our building and secondly everything to
the west of it on Main Street is all
food everything okay so it's Moshi Sushi
the tropical smoothie and and a Cameron
Rusty okay and so it has a few different
things why would you Bunch them all up
though why would why wouldn't you stag
have no
idea
as and trash the volume on that ramp
piece to come in the door on this I get
it I get it I mean if if if this was a a
cafe or
something here now let's let's discuss
that because we just talked about that
why not a second restaurant okay I I
don't think I can par a second
restaurant at not okay um at night it
will be the for sure the most amount of
residents will be there at from 7 o' on
um and and a second restaurant is going
to cause a parking problem all over the
okay right now we have about 80
additional spaces above and beyond if
you said there was the parking dwellers
and they had one per unit and they were
parking somewhere in that garage you'd
have an extra space but in order for
this in order for this to be successful
okay this has to be high in retail this
can't
be uh and and no offense to you know
lower retail but it can't be a nail
salon no
we think it's Ohio hell okay okay and we
think it's Ohio heal to take two floors
very possibly and have a a
relatively major facility here yeah but
I mean that's that's not really
retail no it's not but it's jobs for the
city okay but now now you're not taking
advantage of a public Leisure space it's
private the banks and stuff when they
shut down everything around them shuts
down and so that that engagement to the
street into the city into the people
kind of shuts down at night so just
anything that's engaging through the
evening even like um an interesting spot
is like that cohatch space that is up at
East and they have all these amenities
outside outdoor patios and things and
then if people are working late at night
or whatever there's just some active
stuff going on there and that to me that
it's it's worrisome that that corner
ends up being dead every evening can I
weigh on that regarding our history of
zoning we used to have like Community
commercial office commercial on Main
Street and we threw that all out the
window and made it entirely mixed juuse
commercial for that exact
reason this this one this is this is the
face of exting here you've got this
recess that goes all the way back they
can rearrange this you know this surface
parking and get a public space here and
then this and Brassica there's so much
activity that could happen here the
lights are on it's glowing people drive
by oh what's going on there we're going
to pull in and we're going to take
advantage of everything that's here but
if because of this recess this has to be
alive this corner is not I mean you can
link from this right down to Rusty
Bucket and oh you can stop by and maybe
there's retail here or maybe it is Ohio
Health but you can you you can jump that
to get to the other things down here but
to get up here to this base this would
be a huge um move uh for Bexley to have
this become you know more of a
successful pocket park idea but it has
to be active you know until 11 o'clock
at
night okay preo pre
preo no it's never never been you're the
wrong well I mean you could argue that
about the six stories too I'm saying
that beex is changing and it will become
more of an active space on Main Street
at night because that's what that's what
this is for incre density is disagree
with your premise okay I can tell you
that I'll have trouble getting a active
restaurant uh with a low ceiling and I
can't do a high ceiling because then I
lose an entire FL r space I understand
okay um and the restaurant itself can be
very very cool and have its own outside
seating on Main Street and in our
Courtyard um and they're going to do
business wherever they are I can't
really respond to the fact that if if
nobody wants a medical use here which
I've been told just in I live here and I
hear what everybody's talking about and
they like a some medical use Beyond an
Urgent Care Okay so we've done a dozen
deals with Ohio Health over the years
and we went there and they have an
interest in having some really good
presence in Vex we think but you know if
you think there that and and then you
know you can get coffee at at Eagle and
I might mention you know when we did the
Giant Eagle and put that porch Suzanne
that you talked about out front there
was a restaurant upstairs I know okay
people would take their food and go down
there all right you know now they're in
the process of changing it into a
pharmacy and other stuff and I was there
one day with with the president of the
capital and jod um and and concrete
steps look lousy and it wasn't cared for
and everything else and I called the
people of John Eagle and they fixed them
okay but there's not a lot of people
sitting out there even with their
Starbucks there but you have Starbucks
there and you have a Starbucks near me
and we have our the kitties uh where we
are I mean there's plenty of you know
coffee shops around I don't know what
exactly it is we put there but if if
people are saying if you're saying we
should put something there to activate
that corner I'll figure it out okay um
but you know for everybody that's going
to be happy that I figure it out
there'll be three people pissed there's
no medical use there I can't the medical
be on the second
floor y ever well you're an architect
have you done a lot of second floor
medical no try I had a conversation stud
one day when I was complaining about the
being tortured
here how you let the white building go
up she said it was an award winner and
she made him put a third floor up and
Michael Simpson has his sign up there
renting third floor for four years okay
so so I'm you know I'm trying at my old
age to stay in business and not be
homeless
it s it sounds to
me
worried so it sounds to me because we
you know we I'll stay as long as anybody
wants to but I know we do have people
that we're making a lot of progress I'm
moving us to the next thing because it
sounds to me like because Suzanne and I
had this conversation yesterday because
we had lunch together at junto which has
a great Corner exterior space and engage
and it it's so engaging um that's a
great building it is and you know it's
it's crazy you know unfortunately I'm a
businessman they are killing it there on
the first floor okay and the hotel ADR
is about a half of what he thought it
was going to be meaning nobody's up
there okay but everybody wants to go
there that lives in Columbus but they're
not staying overnight right but but my
point for this was was that I I I don't
disagree with you Bill but I think we're
so used to not having that corner
activated that I think it's a lot closer
than we realized to that whole retail
line and I think it it will you
know understanding the sealing height
issue I think the answer is how to
activate the pocket park space and make
that what you your original point
because people are gonna still take
their Brasa and go sit over there but
what I'm hearing is that we can do both
yeah yeah that's what I'm I think we
have to we have to activate both that's
my point move the thing I I I'm agreen
I'll look what I'll do is take a look at
how we can break that space up and maybe
put something really cool in there like
unfortunately you know we don't need
another smoothie store in town I don't
think you know like we couldn't have
support three ice cream places either
you know and you got tropical here and
you have Zena and what they have over
there but if you had some little place
on the corner that a lot of people
wanted to come to to get what they're
doing right on the corner said I get it
at that point I got to get the medical
use to say I'm okay taking a little less
on the first floor I'll take and the
rest on a second and I'll see if I can
make that happen but you know it's like
I'm the landlord not the tenant I
understand no but downtown at Ohio
Health they do have a coffee shop right
in their entrance way but this is it's
crowded all the time that's important
with the city yeah because they have
they have to understand that the success
of this corner uh resides with them as
well they they have to make that happen
with you I'm 100% with you and it
actually is going to get even more
important because we're going to put 300
people in a building here okay and and
those people will be basically a
combination it's very interesting
there'll be people your son's age
getting out of school okay you know and
wanting to stay in Bexley or live in
Bexley while he's working downtown and
there'll be people that are your age
that want to sell their house for this
amount of money because they're sell
good and just be a renter here and so
we're going to have this this Gap in our
in our you know because people my age
but there's there's so many examples
Frank of you know whether it's Italian
Village Short North or whatever my son
lives down there when I go when I drive
there to see him I park at his building
and right next door is a place where we
stand and we throw cornhole or we sit
around a bonfire um at the daily bar and
so we go there and we will just have a
drink with him and visit for an hour or
two and then we come home and and you'll
be able to do that on the third floor of
this building okay on the third floor of
this building building when you visit
your son in this building the third
floor has the activity center with an
outside patio with and we'll put
cornhole there for you but I'm I'm just
saying that's not as engaging as being
able to walk down the street and see my
friend that might just be out there
playing and stop and say hi to him I
think it it it's it's nice to be able to
take the people who are living in the
building and take the community and be
able to let them just come together
naturally and not have to get the
invitation to come play we're going to
do that on the out front we're going to
do that on the corner that where Bill is
is is is redoing this and then we're
going to talk to the city to see if if
Kathy and the mayor and and Council are
willing to lose a few parking spaces and
take that whole east side and make
several little pocket parks there I'm
all in on that okay all in on I get it
and and and if that becomes an activity
area the kind that you're looking for I
think that's great you know and and look
we want this thing to work we want this
to be integral part of the fabric of the
city allowing people that are in their
60s to stay in the city okay and pay
their taxes here and allowing young
people coming back after college to to
live here okay that that's what we're
trying to do here well and and to your
point uh I've had this conversation with
other business owners on Main Street and
that is that with the you know the Boom
in in growth people are starting to turn
their eye towards Bexley and East and
saying you're only two and a half miles
from downtown why isn't there more
development happening over here I can
take the number two bus I can get on the
highway I can take Broad Street Main
Street traffic light and and you're
downtown yeah and that's starting to
shift over here and that's why this has
to be successful which I agree but you
know the thing is that when you're
student of all these things and you look
up and down so I live here i' said it
out NAIA try to have a meal on Monday
night if you don't feel Monday night
like having it Indian food and I eat
Indian food every month but you know
jeis is closed Harvest is closed Zena is
closed okay I mean you know the bucket
doesn't
close the bucket does not close and the
IND restaurant does not close Okay so so
I mean last night Linda had a book event
Cardell Jones was there they end up
going to yeah it is Gonna Change best
food in town is the new fangle kitchen
and she closes at five I so your point
about it changing like
the architecture allows for that to
change over time I mean it's storefront
systems if if the tenant doesn't work
out then over time the tenants change
you have to build a building that will
allow that to occur and I I don't think
the tenant in there is necessarily the
end all we can't control that I mean any
tenant can back out at any time but In
fairness what Bill's saying is this
building and the reason this is having
so much scrutiny that there's people
here listening to a private meeting is
that this is transformational a building
that puts 300 people into your city
paying taxes okay and utilizing services
and walking on the streets and we're
going to allow dogs okay so so not great
big ones but the perception of Bexley is
going to be very different because of
this because of this yes and so I'm all
in to what you're saying all into a
point that if I have to say to Ohio
Health that if they don't want to do my
deal I'll do something else there if you
think that's important that becomes
retail I'll buy it if the city is
willing to do the things you think they
need to do with your tubist to to make
that area exciting so if we can get back
to the architecture for just a second I
mean I think that's important to
discuss but Pete what are you thinking
in terms of the massing you you I'm just
really concerned about you and I you
know I know this building type know
really well so I get to understand I
understand the challenges and cost of
and building over a garage five stories
four versus five four over one versus go
to five uh I've done five over one um it
changes into type three 3B Works um I
just I'm concerned I I appreciate and
I've mentioned it earlier this pulling
the building as far back from the north
as possible I just feel like this is
this this extension into the single
family neighborhood is is is a is a
pretty aggressive density move I
understand why get it it's got to work
on paper and real life too uh I just my
suggestion today would be I mean I don't
see any renderings from the north side
right what are they looking at I'm
guessing it's very similar to the east
and west but You' you not paying any
attention to what that's going to be so
I'd love to see more development on that
and here we're not gonna design it today
you know you saw me sketching I was
thinking about taking the one bar and
putting it over and extending your your
six-story because I think the six-story
step
back makes taller building on Main
Street but it's step back and it's not
going to be seen so I'm not I'm not
offended by that because it lessens the
density and the height mostly at the
North Side um so I would love to see you
continue to talk about that and look at
that um but I understand the things and
the positions you guys take because of
of the reality of construction and the
economics of it but I think you've done
so much thinking along the skin of the
building which is great and this Main
Street breakdown I think this is we
could talk about retail spaces and who
should go where those are great
arguments and everyone I think those are
good strong points but I still worry
that this thing is sitting looming over
these neighbors to the north to the
could part of that could part of that be
materiality as well oh I think there's
definitely moves to do right and I and I
you know I always hate to lose Corner
units a lot of times we'll we'll look at
designing those Corner units as being a
little bit different where they pull
back and there's a little bit more
balcony area so that it starts to help
break the corners down but in the end
you're still doing a fivestory or four
story building over one yeah which is
you know as we were starting this
process we
heard to short
Bri we've met with the houses behind
their and they've been pretty good
they're we think we've taken care of
their biggest issue so I I think you're
advocating for them but but we have not
really had a problem there we've closed
the road and that was no I think that's
great no I think that helps problem yeah
um and it helps them it creates more
traffic everywhere else okay um and and
there's quite a bit of a setback and I
would encourage anybody if you walk out
of here today and just walk right over
there those are very big trees where
also not that it makes a big difference
but we're continuing the wall that's my
Cod that we did by Giant Eagle now
that that's it okay and the rest of it
is the trees um and and I I don't really
think
substantially you know when you talk
about what that facade is going to be
the only way those people are going to
see what our facade is is to walk into
our po parking
okay and and there's four houses back
there um one of the things we addressed
at the first meeting after Bap was we no
longer having a trash compactor at all
we're having I didn't even know they
made this product they're called VIP
compactors and they are in the garage
and they they take the trash all over
the garage from all the shoots from the
places and that's done and then we can
control we're a private sector uh uh
trash compactor company that we call
it's not rumy coming so we can control
the timing that they come and go can I
ask a question about
materiality when when you go from this
you know
Urban uh Main Street look which is it's
it's really heading in the right
direction I think you know with some of
the ideas we talking about but as you
work your way back towards the
residential neighborhoods how do you
make it quieter how do you make the
architecture quieter for the visual and
the uh relation with the the other
buildings around it because what I'm but
what I'm seeing here is I'm seeing the
same thing going you know there's
there's to that residential neighborhood
in terms of materiality well there's a
proportion that there's breaking from
base middle to top of this building but
that's being carried all the way to the
back and and I guess that's part version
better because well it steps back it
changes that but then there's an
argument to say that maybe that steps
and maybe the brick drops one just one
floor I wouldn't I wouldn't step it all
the way back as went through each of the
mass got get quieter for the Neighbors
you know maybe the materiality changes
on the back actually that's if what
you're talking about I mean you step
back and you have you you have more hard
Plank and less brick and you lower it
going down and it's not sticking out so
much I mean you're saying it softens the
material and it you know working wants
to soften up the back yeah well the the
the the Northwest and the north you know
and even the Northeast because there's
no reason to have you know a hot facade
facing the par parking lot toward City I
don't
think that's not where your focus is you
don't want I mean this is upscale
material building again I think you guys
are going to looking at that I mean the
residents are that's why he's one of the
things we are trying to relate to on
simple thing I mean it's just was I
would love too many different take one
unit off I agree that L this we just
made it very simple if there's a outdo
by the way great expense we have more
brick that goes
again I don't know what's right here I
really
don't I just don't know what your
opportunity in theit I would just look
continue to look at it and I think I
think because of the big parking lot
everybody both sides so having these
punch the is that all concrete so the
black get more with
landscap so a little bit more
architectural right now it's
structure look at the neighboring
property windows and things say has to
exactly that especially this the other
side it's kind of back a house so maybe
it's not appropriate
anywhere this this dialogue of mass next
to single family homes is something that
City in this country many in Columbus
are having that challenge exists
everywhere how many have been
unsuccessful that's that's why we want
to be this is first really somewhere SE
was one and now well there were earlier
ones that may not have been as
successful and I've spent some time
driving around kind of Lake projects
here and and almost across the board
it's breaking down and changing material
it's breaking down the massing and
changing to more residential matal
condition on the east west and there's
just different condition it doesn't
necessarily have to be the same so I
think let us look at the continue to
look as a separate study guys
okay got no problem with that no
question my problems now
are which become difficult for you all I
get it is that these kind of buildings
you
know you been the gravity yeah okay I
built gravity for gra okay he's got
triangular
par okay I mean I don't know I mean it
might be fun to rent one but it's not
fun to live in one so you don't do it
twice okay and so unfortunately we're in
a business that we build squares and
rectangles and when we have to deviate
from that a it costs money and B it it
costs money to build you get less rent
because you have less square footage and
the people don't like it you know today
they want big closets and nice bathrooms
you know um and and it's just a
different Paradigm and today after coid
every the our coastal ridge that has
four billion dollars apartment our St
for us said everything everybody wants
bigger more two bedrooms than there used
to be it used to be all ones you know
because people are working at home and
the other reason you need more to
bedrooms today is apartments starting
today and this finishes two years from
now will be 40 to
50 so our kids will be sharing rather
than taking all of a sudden everybody
you know everybody just left
College have roommate and I don't think
that's radically different my
grandaughter is going to Chicago one
three people in a hang out that's
they P the trees y but so
important what more take-home do we have
that we can come back and work with to
show you we're going to work on the
North yeah I think it' be important just
to see it's really this you
know think well on your way this thing I
think we have to do with Landscaping in
conjunction with what the city is willan
to do if you could do renderings of that
area that would be really helpful focus
on that we'll get that to you you know
quickly yeah on the north we want to
take a look at what I'm sorry I was
looking at
that is the the landscape this one this
is the land is see material and seeing
how that's all laid out laid out okay
but I just I'm asking for some break on
trying to do things that are unnatural
for construction bu I reason no and I I
get I get it I get it I just there's
sometimes really
see down even Aerials too would be
helpful you know we don't really have a
lot of Aerials in this package which I
mean I appreciate that you're you're
doing the street views because that's
what we're all going to see but as ARB I
think it would be helpful to be able to
understand the stepping and the massing
by having uh some more Aerials in the
next round yeah an one of guys said like
a
home if we can get a section this way
with trying to get the trees accurate
house and and see I think we one of the
zoning Fact one of the Z that would be
good just to kind of
right relationship to the you know that
90 feet to the proper it's 90 feet to
the property and then there
30 that' be great get these trees
somewhat accurate that that would be
helpful we thought it was important to
Focus front words get a vocabulary
dialog we can build off of so we
absolutely can continue to study this
house isn't impacted by this part nebor
we are 70 feet from the property line
and over 100 feet from houses yeah no
that's with hu huge huge trees that's
why I'm saying to you if you look back
there it's not when we went through the
Grand receipt we refer to now a few
times we had people show up the meetings
particularly the lady behind me where my
best friend Parker McDonald's now
building his house there at the corner
of shood and I I went to college I went
to college with Frank p a rest in peace
he died of Ms one of the great guys she
lived there by herself with your dog and
she came to the meeting and said she'd
never see the library again now she had
a one floor house behind the Cupa Joe
building that was two and a half floors
High and the only way she could see a
library was to stand in the middle of of
cassid okay we had another lady that
lived behind the Starbucks we were going
to cut off her sunlight for forever okay
so in the end they did not let us run
our elevator to our roof so I get to
walk up three flights of stairs to go up
the best Rooftop in beex that we go on
once a year now the you are so I'm
saying to you everybody has a
perspective on on these things and it's
it's it's not easy you know but so so
Frank you think with the there's like
three or four major discussion points
here for architecture on all okay and
and I appreciate very much the
sensitivity the way you're saying it and
that you're listening to me the
construction Guy saying the hardship is
part of it the biggest one of all
hardship is that that you know I'll be
at
at Cho on Saturday night RL Stein the
author coming in I start kindergarten
Laos book
signing at the grammar seat yeah okay
but the chanto is what they did there is
the single coolest place in col the way
you walk in the food's too rich but the
place is UN you walk in that TR area and
of course the patio they did was the
former parking lot the talk about four
cars there yeah the Mercedes and the
Porsches
Lamborghini yeah so that that patio is
so cool you know and and the windows
they used with the the between the patio
area and the other is like pulman car
window you know just everything is so
clear there but that that's one little
building and one little place well and
to your point that's something that I
think Columbus is just discovering
German Village has known as forever
Italian Village is known as forever it
doesn't take much space to create a wow
space that people want to want to be in
yeah but to me the most important thing
that we can do here is Landscaping
because if you look at what's so cool
about chanto we walk into this it's
trellis by by landscape I mean it's
Landscaping but they did that with so
little space I know and that's that's
something that you know designers in
Columbus are becoming more familiar with
is that you can take a little bit of
space which we really have here we don't
have a lot of space but you can make it
into something that is so beautiful that
it draws people in it just activates the
the retail the restaurants everything
well I'm challenging this is my good
friend Ryan
KP single best planners I've worked with
worked with for about 15 years um and I
say that by guy that started business
with Keith Myers m okay and I tell Keith
all the time that
Ryan's we're working with Keith right
now
doing hous Dennison so we're gonna make
that landscape we're gonna knock your
socks off with it as long as the city is
willing to cooperate in terms of what's
done on the parking lot we'll give you a
plan for what
like I'm
in I think they you're losing three
spots well they're they are we are
currently meeting with and and Ryan in
separ
meetings all we're give you a
plan this will Rea when Orange Theory
gets out when there's a meeting at the
sea that gets out when people leaving
from Market District can't get where
they want to go we have a line of cars
that lines up all the way down this road
and the is so short you get three cars
because they have to wait for people
turning at that intersection from
college they don't know if the person in
the straight or left turn lane at the
other side is going straight so they sit
there and they wait and wait and wait
next thing you know the yellow's it's a
yellow light and there's only been three
cars that moved out of that intersection
are they going to change is the city
going to change that light and the way
that it's all work city
city that's the problem you have now the
city of Bexley has juice with the city
Columbus that's something doable adjust
those and that's something I
think yeah particularly losing the right
you're not just the nor side has access
you know every place you go now the
country it's so aggravated like when
when you go to get on the
freway right up here you know you you
have the left turn Lanes most places in
the country when the left turn
line they have a yellow blinking one yes
that if there's no cars coming the other
way you can still go out we don't have
that in Columbus and it and number one
it's great it's anti-pollution you know
people just sitting there for an extra
light doing nothing those are the kind
of things you got to
do so if that had three lanes one going
left one going straight one going right
does that help that at least the right
lane can keep going and this this from
this side this needs to have a green
arrow to go
left because when this just turns green
these people are all waiting for these
cars who don't turn on their turn
signals and then go straight or they go
left and nobody knows and it just it
just stands still the best way to do it
is a stag and let the people let the
people from college heading north do
what they're doing then give them a red
light and then you go a long left long
left long one thing that we try to do
there is two lanes going out won't this
have just a Even's back there not you
can cue it a little differently we
talking about some timing modifications
the signal it should fix itself because
if you're eliminating this and so many
people are coming out this way why would
go just have a right turn lane here so
that at least that traffic can keep
going and I think what we did is that
the second lane so the one furthest to
the north it would go to the left Arrow
only so that you don't have that people
waiting to go straight or left this is
straight and right straight and right so
it should be continuous right away
left the College Avenue heading north at
their light first then you come here and
you have two different Lanes one going
straight this is what it's like from 4
until 6:30 is that this is all backed up
and these people are never going to be
able to get out to turn to go East
that's what happens when we become an
urban I know but but that's why this
it's going to get worse when other
properties across the street
these these two lights are so critical
for moving traffic on Main Street and if
if they don't fix that system yeah it's
it's just going to be a nightmare list I
do think people are GNA figure out that
you can go down through the ramp and out
to the other
to especially after all
this day you
know it's still an issue the city needs
to deal with but I
think I'll just repeat like in my
conversation with Jason that he and
Cathy and the mayor they will figure out
the right Solutions and timing and stuff
based on a good designed a well-designed
building so I I would just like to um
get that the four point make sure that
we
recap I look this is what I'm trying to
make sure I have the four four exact
things I think um so we're looking we're
looking at the Landscaping in the front
east corner well um and kind of a Paca
Park and a more and a Cooperative plan
with the city to work on that East elev
correct but Prim but also a high focus
on the
corner corn connecting and then a whole
landscape land for the south for the
East Elevation and a major pocket par um
in the in the Southeast foreign that's
number one okay um number two I don't
know if this is actually a point but
looking at the Cornus lines and the
detailing of the materials on the
building to hierarch the hierarchy of
materials and I can I add to that that
you know these storefront windows need
to be high quality because this is our
Urban face and then as you work your way
back towards building you want to go to
vinyl windows you know but really this
this area up here you need to
concentrate on good store and possibly
good clad Windows you know to really
give it
that way up
no just our
twal the commercial space interestingly
enough I noticed that on a lot of the
buildings first two floors three Flo I
and I
not a really good look at that
particularly the north elevation and the
west elevation turn there where the more
residential um more residential facing
is to soften
ites to be black North in the west
Corner that would be the time the where
where
you it's
just new
elev turn it a little
bit so we can kind of address where
there's residential also on the west
side it's a different type of
residential completely so I'm not
suggesting but it could be a really
great opportunity to do a pivot point
you know to you don't want to just just
do the north elevation and not make it
go around so it's an opportunity to
address any concerns on the west
elevation as
well
yeah what's the size of those windows
that you're showing on like top
floors
window it can't be white oh right no
white there it is that's what I
was
wide toch
the I think it's a rending it's there
not done and no white vinyl yeah in this
color scheme no white
vinyl and I can guarantee you that's a
quarter a million
dollars really y oh
yeah what manufacturer are you looking
at it doesn't matter doesn't matter it
doesn't
matter
Char number Windows on this project
that'll be a quicker and I don't get any
c difference between white or black yeah
it can't be white they're vinyl
series they white outside only or they
I'm sorry they're intergral color black
on the inside
too what am I missing anything if you go
to six stories you're look at the six
stories Windows requirements Chang right
I think to come back and just show us
what amenities kind of just that's
that's a nice thing to just show what
amenities for the people that live in
the building and for the people that are
kind accepted friends in the
neighborhood thank you
been bu getting better and better I can
share my notes this is also fully
taped no I can
actually I can actually cut and my notes
to you well my my one comment is is
there I don't know where the entry doors
are and that's critical can you lower
the interor it may not make sense to you
to enter further down the street so that
you can get a higher ceiling head in
there that changes potentially your ret
offer the problem with that is if still
try to get the medical piece as part of
it um access from the garage medical
piece is is going to want to be here and
and then the higher part that you're
because of because it falls off no it
does I'm just saying as a as a as a
white b as a corn shell not not right
what I'm saying is I'm not going to get
a medical pie on the second floor
without having them on the first floor
sure so if I'm G to put them there the
place you can get the higher ceiling
will be toward the west not toward the
East and I'm defeating what bill is
talking about which is activating this
right here yeah we can't have a lower
floor plate here than the the public
area I don't
think no but the idea of like a coffee
shop or not anything but a smoothie shop
it's a good idea although I would
support even if it's a
foot as long as you could as long as you
could have an area towards the
storefront that would be at
grade I just don't think it's going to
be successful as a public you know
permeable uh use if we if this floor
plate is lower than where pedestrians I
can't we're not going to do that to
begin with not
applying for half a million dollars in
the state of Ohio to remove the dirt
from the site okay I mean as much as
much as I like people you know sitting
out at Rusty Bucket and and the changing
level you have an opportunity to make it
more urban and more permeable by not
doing that ex and utilizing your
courtyard to do that it's already
natural like that yeah yeah so but my
point was that if you actually had any
small restaurant it'd be over here or a
small coffee shop that doesn't debate
right over
here so but anyhow we'll take a look at
at what we have and see if there's any
possibilities okay any other major
points that I
missed I think this has been really
productive does any other board members
have anything that they wanted to add
or thank you guys for taking this time
apprciate yeah no it's moving forward I
think you know continued exploration of
the north side um
Oran
East awesome Suzanne do you want to
adjourn the
meeting
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