are you ready
welcome we will call to order the
September 14th 2023 Bexley Architectural
Review board meeting
uh Kathy can we call the roll
here
Mr Hyer here
Mr Scott here
Ms Strasser here Madam Tony here
um we have two meetings to do approval
of the minutes
um because the last meeting we were not
able we had some changes to the previous
month's meeting so for
um let's see that would be July of 2023
is there a board member that will move
to approve those meeting minutes
and some minor Corrections about half an
hour ago but they are minor and I would
feel comfortable making a motion to
approve those minutes with the changes I
sent if you're if the rest of the
board's comfortable with that
so that is emotion that is emotion is
there a second second
and Kathy can you call the roll Mr Hall
yes Mr higher yes Mr Strasser yes Mr
Scott yes Madam attorney yes
and then we will have approval of August
of 23 meeting minutes
did everyone get a chance to review
those
I'm I've had some corrections and I
believe that Ms droster had some
corrections but with those Corrections
I'm happy to uh make a motion to approve
I'll second
I will call the Earl Miss trouser yes Mr
Scott yes Mr higher yes Mr Hall yes Adam
and Tony yes
uh okay so this is the time in the
meeting for public comment if you would
like to speak to um the board about
something that is not on the agenda
tonight
um this is your chance to come forward
and speak to the board if you want to
speak about something that is on the
agenda one of the applications that is
on the agenda then we will wait until
that particular case comes before us is
there anything not on the agenda that
you would like to talk to the board
about
okay seeing nothing
um the first thing that we're going to
do then is
um is to go through consent agenda items
so the board has a process where um all
board members review the applications
and anything that we feel is
um good enough to just go ahead and
prove we put on a consent agenda so I'm
going to read all of the names and
addresses for those particular
applications so the first one is
bzap23-8 the address is 2691 East Main
Street the applicant is Sierra Montague
and the owner is Matt Davis
the second consent agenda item is ARB
23-27 the address is 250 South Parkview
the applicant is Derek layer Custom
Homes and remodeling and the owner is
Ronald and Michael Negron
the next application number ARB 23-28
the address is 2684 Fair Avenue
applicant is Amy lauerhouse owner Sarah
tervo
next application number ARB 23-29
address is 240 North cassingham
applicant Amy lower house owner Ryan and
Elizabeth Smith
next application number ARB 23-30 the
address is 446 South Columbia the
applicant is Amy lauerhouse the owner is
Vincent and Jennifer dimascio
and the last one is application fees app
23-30 the address is 202 South Columbia
the applicant is Nathan Sampson the
owner is Bexley next LLC
is there anyone in the audience that is
here to speak about those applications
if so please stand up
okay seeing none then I just need a
board member to make a motion to approve
those consent agenda items
Strasser so moved
Scott second
yes Mr Scott yes Mr higher yes Mr Hall
yes Adam Tony yes thank you
um okay and then one other application
is before the board tonight is anyone
here for
um
bzap23-19 the address is 733 Vernon the
applicant is K uh Brian uh Wernicke and
the owner is Barbara Wernicke are they
in the audience
can you come forward for a second I want
to um just ask you a question about your
application
um and I guess swear I'm in
please raise your right-handed state
your name
do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
okay I wanted to give you this um
opportunity because your application
really has to go to be zap
um and it probably should go there first
because if they don't approve it then
all this time we would spend discussing
the architecture really would be wasted
and we have a very long agenda tonight
so would you prefer to just go to bizap
first or do you want us to discuss your
application and the architecture of it
thing that you go to Beez at first
because
um you really do need their approval
before anything can happen and um and
then I think you would get to us within
two weeks after that so yeah
yeah that's Kathy
good evening
well the board could hear it and but
most likely will not make a
recommendation because the critical part
of this case is the variance so I think
it's a consensus of the board and this
is just typical that we send it to ARB
first but in this case it's probably
best and they're and they believe that
as well that it should go to the zoning
board and you are on that agenda already
as well and the way that I would um
recommend that the board make a motion
is to move this application to the board
of zoning and planning without a
recommendation recommendation and if the
zoning is approved
that it gets remanded back here for
architecture review make remanding
background recommendation
if they choose to approve it so does
that sound okay I just want you to sit
through the whole meeting tonight and
then
find out and then find out nothing was
really going to happen because you
really need to go to bizap first okay
okay so um so we just need someone to
make a motion
um to send it to Beez app without a
recommendation for or against so moved
second Strasser
uh Miss drosser yes Mr Scott yes Mr Hall
yes Mr higher yes Madam Tony yes okay so
hopefully we see you back here next
month okay okay thank you
okay and then the last
um application number ARB 23-21 316
North Columbia that application has been
tabled so if you are in the audience to
talk about that application it is tabled
till next month
so um if you are here for that we will
see you next month
okay that takes us to new business uh
the first order of new business is
application number ARB 23-16 the address
is 2711 Brentwood the applicant is
Andrew Rosenthal the owner is Marley and
Rick Snowden the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for the
demolition of an existing structure and
designed for a new home
we'll have Karen give us a little bit of
background okay
um this application is before us tonight
for the first time
um it is a demolition of an existing
home on the corner of Brentwood in
Roosevelt it's a mid-century modern
house that I had the opportunity to go
through that is
um a great house from a distance but
going through there's a lot of deferred
maintenance
um this is a this is a hearing for both
the Demolition and the proposal of the
new structure so we're going to talk
about both
um the architect Andrew Rosenthal is
here and has put together a really
comprehensive package
um probably more comprehensive than
we've had for this type of a project
um it is a significant project I'm going
to give let him go through the packet so
I'll just do a quick summary
the the
um
the the code has
um a demolition there's a demolition
ordinance that we must go through a
bunch of criteria in order to have a
house
um for the ability for it to be
demolished
um but the main the main uh criteria is
that what is being put in its place is
equal to or greater or better than
what's there
um so I just want to put that out there
first we're probably going to spend a
lot of time on the proposed home for
this particular case and I'm going to
let
um Andrew uh walk through it so
um
the
just briefly the adherence to criteria
for design approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for the new build still
needs to be followed through
um I would just comment that the
architectural design of the new building
is in keeping with character of the
neighborhood the exterior materials are
appropriate I probably should go to some
of these
this is the existing home
there is quite a bit of documentation
that I'm going to let Mr Rosenthal go
through with an outside architect which
we always recommend from acock and
Associates it's actually Mitch acock
that did an evaluation of this home and
um testify to the significance of its
value or um
the value or
um
the Merit of keeping it or not
um
this is pictures of the existing home I
I think Andrew why don't you coming up
and we'll swear you in uh it's a really
great presentation so I hate to jump all
over this the place but I what I really
would like to say is that
um as staff I really do support the
demolition of this existing structure
and I want to point out that two
important highlights of the proposed
structure really make me
um very confident in supporting the new
structure one is that the footprint and
massing of the new structure remains
very similar to the existing home and
doesn't change the character in my
opinion of the street or the
neighborhood and that is also
accomplished through the style of the
new home which page pays really great
homage to and in the opinion of in my
opinion in staff opinion is a modern
Improvement to the original mid-century
modern design I'm not going to go into
all the demolition ordinance because
you've done such an amazing job so I'll
just give the floor to you Kathy will
swear you in and we can go through the
packet you can just kind direct me what
page you want when Kathy can I make a
request before we dive into that it
seems to me for me I would feel more
comfortable if we talked about the
demolition requirements first before
spending a lot of time on the design
that seems to be the cart before the
horse so I think you'll find that that's
the way his presentation is set up I
just don't want to give it all and then
he's done such a great job in the packet
that we'll we'll just go through his
package that's fine with me I I just
don't want to jump to new until we deal
with the demo part first yep
and I'd like to also clarify that this
house that's proposed meets all of the
setback requirements and Zoning codes
excluding the driveway which the
applicant will file that as a separate
case to the zoning board so I just want
to clarify that otherwise that's why
this is on an ARB application okay
please state your name Andrew Rosenthal
do you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth I do thank you
I'm really excited to be here and I have
been dreading this meeting I'm excited
because I grew up in Bexley I live in
Bexley my kids went to Bexley schools
I've been practicing architecture for
30-ish years
and I think it's a really exciting
project for a client we like very much
and we're it's been a lot of fun I've
been dreading this meeting because
somehow Karen tells me I have about 10
minutes to share six months worth of
arguments thoughts ideas
uh you know evolution of the project and
that's hard because there's a lot of
depth to it um but
and then I just spent a minute talking
about that but if we go to maybe the
page with acock being an art piece
um
so the house is 2711 uh Brentwood it was
marketed it's two Parcels it was
marketed as an opportunity for
redevelopment that you know as a real
estate proposition so uh uh Rick and
Marley Snowden bought it uh they didn't
buy it with the idea that they wanted to
build two houses on it they bought it
with the idea that they thought it was a
cool part of Bexley to live in they like
the porches and the sidewalks and it
felt a little more neighbory than where
they currently are
and they liked that it was what I kind
of call a five percent house you know
it's not bexley's full of pretty great
houses but there's a consistency about
them and then there's about some number
I call it five percent that are weird in
some way and that makes it interesting
and so this house that's existing there
is certainly in that five percent
um so their charged us was you tell us
should we do we keep this do we not keep
this uh what are the opportunities and
um so our first step was to decide well
do we have to keep it and I don't mean
legally have to keep it I just mean as
good Architects you know was there
something special about the house that
some of that's the ordinance there's
some overlap between what the
Hippocratic Oath as an architect and
what the city requires so we talked to
Bexley Historical Society uh we've been
spent a lot of time in the house
um what we were able to establish is we
know who it was built for we know when
it was built we don't know who designed
it we don't know who constructed it
um
you know
uh you know we solicited an outside
opinion from Mitch acock Associates and
you know they've been practiced for I
think about 40 years in the
award-winning firm does a lot of
high-end residential and Custom Homes
and historic Renovations and yeah his
assessment you can read it of course but
you know he says in summary my opinion
is the house is this house is not a
contributing structure to the
neighborhood or the city and doesn't
warrant any degree of Conservancy which
again is not to say it's not a perfectly
usable house he's just saying that he
was unable to find anything about the
house that you know made it special uh
so some of the questions that the city
asked you to look at is someone
important lived in the house of
important things happened in the house
was it designed by someone important uh
news we can tell the answers those
questions are no
um
you know the the second tier for us was
you know what's the uh you know the
they're they're they're criteria for the
house was they wanted something that
felt like it participated in the
neighborhood because they are people who
participate in the neighborhood and they
wanted architecture that felt that way
uh they wanted something that reinforced
you know the character of the street
um they wanted something that uh
uh that would allow them to stay there
on their own terms and definitely and
bring you know relatives in indefinitely
so you know Aging in place is sort of a
catchphrase for that although it's more
than that because obviously we're all
one curb away from being in a wheelchair
potentially and so you know they just
wanted to have to design a house or
rework the house in such a way that
would allow them to stay there uh
however long they wanted to
um
which brings me to the house you know
the house I would contend and we say
this in our letter
might not have been designed for this
parcel and I say that because uh you
know it doesn't seem to really know it's
sitting on a corner uh you know if you
if I showed you the house and didn't
give you any context you'd say well it's
you know it's in line with other houses
you kind of think the East End might
look at a lake but really it's 16 feet
from the neighbor's house you know the
the West End you know you would think is
certainly abutting something because
it's largely unfenestrated
um then the house is very shut down you
know to the street which was common in
this era of design a lot of the you know
anyone's at Larry heilman's presentation
at the library talked about you know in
the 60s 50s and 60s a lot of the primary
spaces the houses moved to the back uh
the backyard became the locus of
activity and so houses got more shut
down and this house certainly took that
uh to the end
the
issue with the West End of the house is
first of all it sits Beyond allowable
setbacks so that makes it challenging to
work with
secondly the garage is under it uh which
is why the wall is so blank
um
and so that means the floor plan above
it is stepped which isn't great uh from
terms of usability although you'll see
at the obviously the house we're
proposing also has stairs in it uh the
big difference though is that to get
from this garage to The Living Spaces of
the house you have to go up a flight of
stairs and that's obviously problematic
if the idea is to be able to stay in the
house
so that was a challenge you can't raise
the roof of the garage obviously because
there's space above it um and this clear
space in the garage I checked on the way
here one last time is six foot eight
so that is again a problem for
contemporary vehicles um
so
um
again you know none of which is to say
that the house isn't has Charming
aspects to it you know one exercise we
went through was well fine then cut off
the whole West End of the house just
take that off take the bedrooms that are
up upstairs take the garage rebuild that
but of course you have to work inside a
smaller box that's currently there and
probably if the garage goes there which
you want to do because you don't want to
pave the backyard that means the kitchen
moves with it and the kitchen moves to
that end of the house probably the
primary Living Spaces move with that as
well
and all of a sudden you've taken the
program that's in the East End of the
house which is Kitchen primary Living
Spaces
and move those to the West End a lot so
you've sort of cut off the east or what
current West Third of the house you've
reinvented the East third of the house
and moved it that program to the other
end and so suddenly you know what's
really reusable or desirable uh in terms
of the footprint is it gets small in a
hurry so
that is a very condensed version of the
logic that led to our conclusion that we
thought a new house on the property
would be a better solution than uh
renovating this existing house
so
so there you can see the West End of the
house upper left-hand corner you can see
the
East End of the house the glassy porch
space
you can see the garage underneath the
West End of the house
inside the house you know the or might
sort of write-up of it talks about this
but there's you know it's very linear
house
um
space is in a very linear there's not
for the size of the house there's not a
lot of payoff space there's not a lot of
variety of big spaces and small spaces
there's some charming things uh the
slats the fireplace on the lower left
image get Revisited in the design of the
proposed house the clear story gets
Revisited and designed the proposed
house uh we haven't talked about the
satellite light fixture but if it's not
going in their house it'll go in my
house
and keep going maybe yeah some more of
the existing there's the garage in the
middle bottom
and again the bar I guess maybe one last
the bottom right image I guess to me is
you know part of what's not great about
the house for these people who bought
the process which is you know again
that's the front living space of the
house as it faces the corner of
Roosevelt and Brentwood so that you know
feels very closed down uh I think in the
its era it was marketed as you can
furnish it any way you like the windows
don't limit that but I think you know
for the stones that that felt like the
wrong architectural language
um
for them to live in so
that's existing house you can see it
beyond the required setbacks that dashed
the Line North is up
this is just a study we did that's would
be allowed that's two houses one on each
parcel that's still our buildable areas
inside the setbacks
that's the footprint of the house that
uh we're here to talk about
um and I don't know if it makes sense to
stop and talk at all more answer any
questions about demolition or keep going
I think
talk about your process or the
conclusions and some questions
do you want do you have any questions Mr
Strasser that you want to start with
uh well I'll say I have mixed feelings
you know I went and looked at the house
today and walked the property and
what what concerns me is that
we don't have a lot of houses in Bexley
from this era
it is definitely unique it's always
caught my attention
in that
um because it is so unique and
losing it with uh
which is a lovely house I agree
but I I think I'm not convinced that
it's not architecturally significant
because of the unique character
character the era and
you know the Aesthetics change and some
might may say it's not the prettiest
house but I I to actually disagree with
that I'm not keen with a little I think
maybe an addition on the
East Side
and I see the expert evaluations and I
take them for what they're worth I think
they're reputable
professionals but I I still have a
little concern about another demo so
that's where I'm coming from
is there any other board member that
wants to ask questions about the
demolition
um
Andrew is was it structurally assessed
are there any structural issues with the
house
not the best of my knowledge no I mean
there's a lot as I think Karen alluded
to there's a lot of deferred maintenance
but I don't know that there's there's no
evidence of structural deficiencies now
there's two lots that this house sits on
and those were both purchased by the
owner some time ago and that continues
to be has it ever been converted to one
lot or does it remain two lots that
you're building over it's two I think
it's two parts it's two Parcels I guess
lots and parts two Parcels but they were
never
formally joined to be one parcel
there common ownership they are viewed
as one line okay so technically they're
not but the code allows them to be
reviewed as one law yeah okay
thank you
are we ready to move to
the rest of the presentation come on
continue so um so this drawing I think
is helpful just in terms of sort of the
high level thinking about what the
design aspires to do so what the idea is
is you know to really try to reinforce
the you know the public space The Lawns
that you know run along Brentwood the
turn down to Roosevelt to uh you know
build a house that knows it's on a
corner and there's a funny thing about
their current house which you probably
noticed visiting it which is
you know it doesn't it particularly as
it relates to the backyard again for two
parcels and a big house it's a very
strange idea about private space I mean
you walk into it because it's like well
I pulled in here and that's the driveway
and then the yard kind of keeps going
and it's never clear when I left public
space and entered private space uh and
and I don't bring that up to say that I
mean it wasn't these conversations
weren't like paranoid conversations it
just didn't feel I think to the clients
like good architecture and we felt that
way too so yeah the gesture of the house
obviously is it's an ale and it's trying
to make a sort of private Courtyard
space in the back and try to reinforce
the sort of public fabric on the on the
front facades
um
this is just a masking diagrams that
sort of uh you know illustrate the mass
of the house relative to the adjacent
houses there's a lot of variety here you
know that Street Brentwood going east
has a number of houses built in the same
area some pretty great examples uh you
know the house immediately to the north
is I think a great example of that sort
of era a house has uh and has been very
lovingly restored recently
um but you know and then of course to
the South which is what you're looking
at there you know that's a much more
traditional house and so again trying to
um
put something back that uh also feels
like it's in that five percent of you
know architectural Curiosities but is
also
um a good neighbor in terms of you know
architecture and space making let's
maybe go
connect
dark blue is what's proposed big gray
behind that is what's allowed so again
if we were to put two houses one house
on each parcel
with pitch roofs uh you could build
those two volumes and I think the next
slide shows them as seen from
well that's so this is showing what
we're proposing and I think you've got
one more slide you get yeah so that's
again those are that's built allowable
buildable volume overlaid with what's
proposed
um
and there you can really see the sort of
issue about the you know
sort of leaky backyard
and do you recall I was there today do
you recall what that tree is that you
want to take out that is an oak
it's a big big beautiful yeah it's a big
oak tree yep and
if the house if we ask for a variant to
move the house farther north there's I
think you know you could work around
that tree potentially but it seems like
a problematic ask I think from our
perspective so
so this again is the floor plan of the
house just showing the setbacks
I think we could
skip through that a little bit
so floor plan a house so again you know
one of the operative ideas was this
notion about Bridging the sort of public
ground with the private realm and that
ultimately came down to this design
notion of this one main volume so
there's a main volume to the house if
you've looked through the whole packet
that's you know got this
flat roof and it really Bridges you know
from the public space the private space
of the property so it starts as the roof
of the porch continues South you know
defines the primary living space of the
house and then becomes the back you know
back porch of the house as it sits in
the backyard and that
sort of the primary gesture of the house
and then operating across that east to
west are sort of smaller spaces the
entire East End the house becomes you
know owners spaces owners bedroom owners
bath owners dressing office uh and then
the
the West edge of the house
um the sort of support spaces for the
primary living space in real simple
terms
second floor is two bedrooms and a
library
okay
uh lower level
elevations we could maybe Skip and get
to renderings we'll be maybe more
telling
um
so I guess stop there real quick so this
notion that here you can really see this
is looking North West basically at the
back of the house so
large roof element that sort again sort
of bridges the front porch to the back
porch and this is just some of the sun
studies we did to sort of illustrate or
for ourselves that you know in the
summer you wouldn't need blinds in this
big living space uh because you're going
to get Shadow from the architecture and
then the middle of the winter hopefully
you'll get deep Sun if there is any uh
you know that basically covers the whole
primary living space
um so that's some of the sort of detail
uh and and thinking but there's you know
large covered back area porch with a
fireplace
garages on your left master uh Suite is
on the right
hard to read wall sections in this
so this is the north side of the house
um and so again you know you can see the
bridge roof piece that starts out as the
edge of the front edge of the roof
uh and then there's you know formerly an
idea about
sort of sliding the house apart again
trying to open the house up so this idea
of sort of architectural shutters or
sliding doors not literally but so if
you look at how the entry Portico gets
made you know there's this section of
the wood house that gets pulled over and
you open up the house you get you reveal
that back layer of brick that's behind
it you create a porch that way which was
an important element to the owners
um
and then that second layer of
materiality that brick
really starts to unite two elements that
in our minds are sort of similar so
there's the porch which is obviously
literally a porch and then there's the
dining room which is the front corner of
the house that addresses the
intersection and that's you know not a
porch obviously but we felt porch-like
in the sense that it's you know it's
open you can see into it you can see out
of it uh and it tries to you know
participate a little more in the
life of the street in a way that you
know the previous house did not
and this is on uh Roosevelt looking East
and so dining room's on on the left and
again this sort of notion of pulling the
house apart a little bit and trying to
be you know an invitation to view in and
break up the mass of the house in a way
that feels uh sensitive to the scale of
things in the neighborhood
so that you know edge of the roof is
essentially 19 feet above the first
floor
which would be pretty common bearing
height for pitch roof in a two-story
house in central Bexley
um but obviously without the pitch troop
it stays much lower the
answer to uh roof water is uh tapered
insulation and interior drains
um
for anyone who was wondering about
downspouts and gutters
um
and that will be Matt bellendorf's
challenge to work out in all its detail
garage is on the right and again the
idea about trying to you know again
break up the mass of the garage the
garage is there that's pretty typical of
the houses along Roosevelt here but the
idea was to try to take the mass of the
garage and soften it a little bit
um so that's a translucent garage door
which I think we've seen in other places
in Bexley
so that you get a little bit of light to
that in the evening
and you know that that view you know
obviously you can really see that single
mass of the center of the house that
starts to the left which is the front
porch and goes all the way to the back
which is back porch and then in the
middle is the living space
and this is the backyard so looking into
the primary living space garage is on
your left
uh owners Living Spaces on you know
bedroom stuff is on the right and the
white stuff go piece so there's sort of
only three materials primarily to the
exterior of the house there's brick
Cedar and stucco
um as sort of a way to code
program and again as a sort of way to
break up the house and soften its
overall volume
and to us this was a really important
view again just because I think it's
something that the current house is
remarkable
for how well it doesn't do uh in terms
of you know I don't I think if you give
to someone this floor plan and say you
know locate this on a parcel somewhere
in Bexley I think you're likely to end
up on a corner you know and so that was
important to us um
and
the bedroom wing on the left I didn't
mention this but you know that's got you
know the revisiting of that so we step
the house down because the house to the
east of us is you know basically a
one-story house with family pitch roof
but that clear story element gets
recreated in that we're Revisited in
that
um
that sort of slap wall language gets
used inside the house in a sort of
similar way that it does in the current
instruction
I think there's a lot of information
about materials and specifications that
any of which I'm happy to talk about but
all of which I'm willing to assume
people saw and I will ask questions if
they have them
anything else for me
nice job
okay is there uh anyone in the audience
that would like to speak for or against
this project please raise your hand
okay I see no hands raised is there a
board member that would like to go first
uh eeny meeny miny mo I'm picking Mr
Scott
um
well I think we need to address demo
first
um and it's and it's Merit
um
before we get too far into the house
which obviously has been well thought
out and presented um and I and I do want
to say and commend you for your packet
thank you extremely thorough I think
you've said on the side of the table
enough to know that's what what uh what
really helps us in our decision making
and the process so thank you
um
for me the existing house uh you know is
is is is is part of that five percent
and I'll refer to that a couple times in
my talk here but
um and is unique uh from across the
street I didn't have the pleasure going
into that house but I could I think I
could smell it
it's just because of its age uh and its
lack of Maintenance
um which is kind of irrelevant to to
this I mean
you know finishes and repurposing of of
a good solid core house is not that
expensive and not um
it is really is not a deciding factor
for me uh the issue is what do you end
up with no matter how well you do that
refinishing and it's a and it's a house
that's designed in an area that really
doesn't apply to Lifestyles today
and I think the determining factor for
me on on the demolition
um it isn't necessarily a factor of
historical significance of the house I
think I I by the argument uh in the in
the papers that were submitted but also
in my my review of the house it has
elements that are fantastic uh there are
elements that are complete like weird
things that like you said doesn't feel
like it sits on the corner a lot
um and then for me it comes down to that
evaluation of what is being proposed and
is it better uh and I think it falls
into a very similar
architectural style but in a modern way
and done much more contextual
um so I think I don't have too many
problems with the Demolition uh of of
the existing home because of what's
being proposed uh and looking at all the
different factors uh and in saying that
looking at the design of the house
I actually I'm I'm a pretty big fan I I
like the that you're keeping it in a
similar style to the existing house I
don't know if that was necessary
um but obviously there's some attraction
to that style uh and when done in a good
in a modern way and in the right way uh
it can be very successful a couple
questions I have uh if you could back up
to one of the daytime shots
um and it's you know I think the front
door is very appropriate to the the kind
of the time of the the architectural
design in the period uh I just worry
that that front porch is really
uninviting to sit on
um I feel like the scale is obtute it's
not characteristic of it uh kind of a
Bexley porch or at least it's not a to
me it looks though it's assuming it's
the north side
yeah
this doesn't feel like a good spot to
hang out and watch Neighbors walk by uh
and I think it's there's an
architectural element of the kind of
lowered roof that you have on the
owner's Suite on the left as well as
over the garage that we were I was
surprised that it didn't maybe pull that
into over when they kind of would have
peeled back and accentuated I know you
have the massing of the brick uh being
revealed
um but that brick is also not that
inviting right you've kind of said okay
repealed we revealed it but then it's
pretty much all brick in the little some
light night because for the programming
in the stairs so I understand that but I
just feel like there's there might be an
element or some of that other massing
that might get tied into that I just
feel like that two-story roof is not
going to do much if it's raining you're
still going to maybe you won't get wet
because it usually comes from the
southwest but uh it's just not the
Porsches is kind of an anomaly here that
I think feels like it's not nearly as
well uh effective in its outcome as
maybe even like the rear side of the
house which has a fabulous kind of
backyard feeling and the very
appropriate to the architecture and then
I'm curious I know you're taking a nod
to the existing house in that uh owner
Suite where you're kind of lifting that
and the only roof that sloped in the in
the property uh in your design
um was actually kind of surprising to
see that when I finally kind of spun
around and saw the back
um
is it specifically and I know it's
L-shaped because of the way the the
bedroom lays out is that just
specifically the kind of Nod to the
existing house did you consider that
just being a flat roof and started out
of the flat roof yeah and it uh and
really it was
uh it had to do a little bit you know
part of it was the existing what you
know taking the a cue from what the
existing language that's at the house
there today at that pretty much you know
if you cut a section there it's fairly
similar another was just you know
thinking boy so here in a house where
there's a lot of that you know sectional
changes in terms of what's going on with
you know spaces there's not a lot of
like eight foot cylinder ceiling going
on it felt funny that here in the you
know the owner's bedroom that for some
reason you know we were had sort of
made a less interesting space uh and so
there were some planned things that went
away and that idea of making the volume
of the space feel different than the
others in the house sort of became more
operative uh and I think we liked the
you know for all the sliding apart
sliding apart of things that the design
does uh
I think the idea that well this was a
different gesture felt interesting uh
and uh you know so I think we drew it
and thought I don't know that's going to
go and then after we drew it and started
looking at what you got for spaces we
were pretty excited about it and so I I
you know I would
would totally see it as being as raised
but also flat uh element but you know I
don't think it's it does start to relate
a little bit more to maybe the
neighboring properties and some of those
gear groups but this is so flat I mean
you have very much
long overhanging flat boxes uh that one
just kind of sticks out as an anomaly
but it isn't very well hidden or not
very well exposed and it's not something
that stands out so
um
but that's that's all I had on my list I
think it's uh as a first first look I
think it's uh it's a very interesting
project
Mr hire sure
uh great presentation Andrew thanks for
the drawings this is really a pleasure
to go through them and see all the
diagrams uh the streetscapes
um
is a hard one for me because uh you know
we wrote the design guidelines put them
together and we obviously don't have any
preferences when it comes to
architectural style you've met all the
requirements and so now for me it comes
down to details because in my mind
if we're going to approve something as
Ms Booker stated at the beginning that
has to be better than what was there
previously I'm looking primarily at
materials and details
the style of the house you know the the
planarity of it is you know is the
preference of you and your and your
client
um but there are some things that for me
to say that this is better than what was
there before I would need to really uh
see some material changes in my mind or
at least
you know some different colors
um for instance the black brick I just
it looks great on Brassica it looks
great in Dublin uh I don't know if you
did the work in Dublin but there's
there's some buildings that have that
same brick but for Bexley and
particularly this neighborhood it
doesn't feel like the right material
I mean not the right material but the
right color I'm not saying the brick is
but I'm wondering if we can moderate it
and soften it because it just feels a
little too industrial for this location
um
having said that uh the use of wood is
phenomenal
um but like Mr Scott I also really
started finding myself concentrating on
that
the front entry and you mentioned how
it's like barn doors that have opened up
but to me the barn doors open up and
they're not really revealing anything
you know if you're if you're opening up
a barn door we're just all we're seeing
is a brick wall
and so is there any way that first of
all
um you know some kind of detail you know
I'm thinking of Sauron and I'm thinking
of uh Lois I'm thinking of Architects
that would have put some kind of detail
to accentuate corners or some kind of
detail in metal or in the same material
like wood but just something that brings
it you know with more refinement when
you're opening the curtains to reveal
something
um so that's one of my comments the
other is this the scale you know the
chairs on the front porch give me the
human scale but with most modern designs
you know it's it's hard to find where
the human scale is on the building if I
take those chairs away and I think one
thing that's and that's common in a lot
of modern designs I get that but for
Bexley it's not common Bexley every
building even the mid-century modern
buildings that we have there's something
that draws attention to the human scale
and that's what I think is missing here
but I think there's lots of opportunity
to do that especially around this
um what I would call a Monumental double
height entry uh which is uh the other
thing that's kind of um
to me what really struck me is that most
of the houses on this street and on uh
fair and and other streets uh Bexley
Park is that they don't really do the
double height thing and so this that's
why it struck me and I drive by this
every day this this through this
neighborhood on Roosevelt North to Broad
from South Bexley
and
um I would be more inclined to see I
would like to see
some kind of moderation to that
Monumental double height uh space
especially in light of the existing
building that's there that doesn't do
that
um and the neighboring buildings that
don't do that the neighboring houses
that don't do that maybe the vertical
siding is one of the things that's
drawing the uh or or over emphasizing
the double height in my mind because on
the existing house everything is very
horizontal the brickwork you know the
strip Windows all of that and it's it
and it's continuous you know through the
house even though you have two two
stories that horizontality of it really
binds it together and that's why this
this front elevation to me is so jarring
um because you don't have that anymore
and I get the the you know the emphasis
but I think it's too strong I think it's
too much
um and the other thing that struck me
and I don't know if the existing house
is this way but
many of the spaces that you're facing
the street with are sort of service
spaces or there's it's a bathroom or
it's a laundry room and they're high
windows
and you know Frank Lloyd Wright did this
of course where but he had a lower level
which you know was somehow revealed with
windows down at the at the grade and
then the first floor was raised up
higher like the Hartley house or Hurley
house in Chicago which I'm kind of
seeing a little bit of here and I see it
in the original house uh that's there
but something about that verticality and
the monumentality of that Central
Portico section just it it takes away
from that quality
um that I think would be nice to
accentuate a little bit more in this in
this house with this design
so I mean I would if I'm going to say
that I feel comfortable that this is a
better design or a better house at least
from just an architectural design point
of view
um not necessarily the lifestyle of your
client or
um the the placement of the house on the
lot which is wonderful
um it's really to me about those details
I would like to see more human scale
details that maybe at least at the front
entryway I mean the door
is off to the side so you can't even
really see that door
um and that's really what would be the
only human scale element
um
uh and so maybe a different brick color
would be nice to warm it up and be more
commensurate with your neighbors
um even if it's darker does it have to
be black that's that's what I'm looking
for I guess more variation on and then
the that Central Portico maybe the
central Portico doesn't need to be
two-story you know maybe the barn door
idea could be moderated and then there'd
be a horizontal element above it or
something I know the brick wall is is
driving that horizontality where you
have the high Windows above it but I'm
but those but those I I believe I would
even call them peers like the vertical
wood Piers that are two-story High
um I just don't I just don't I think
this needs another level to say that it
is
um taking the existing house that's
there and making it better on all levels
material uh warmth uh human scale and
yet modern contemporary and you know
fitting for the lifestyle of your client
so those are those are my comments
thank you Mr Hall
I too um would like to commend you on
your submission
um you make you know by putting all
these drawings together and showing all
the different views and exposing and
everything it kind of takes a lot of the
questions away from us and allows us to
study
um the the projects and look at what we
need we should be looking at as far as
the demolition of the existing house
um I agree with basically everything
that's been set up here so far I
um I did spend some time looking at it
myself once twice
um it is
difficult at times to imagine tearing
down homes in this community just
because of what this community is all
about but at the same time there's
you know it is a mid-century modern
house but it's not I don't think it's a
really good mid-century modern house and
I I tend to agree with some of your
comments that it looks like a house that
maybe should have been I didn't really
think about it at the time but should
have been built on a lake or somewhere
else or whatever it's got some nice
elements to it but those are minimal
um but I agree with
um that if we're going to tear it down
then we have to replace it with
something better
um I think this is a very nice modern
structure but I I see things here that
in the details and in the materialism uh
one of the things that you've heard us
kind of talk about this front porch I'm
sitting here trying to think of a house
in Bexley where you don't see the front
door
um and I would yours you don't see the
is it hidden like this yeah we talked
about it a lot there are a lot yeah more
than you think there's there's one on
this the couple right all right sorry
okay I'm gonna have to start paying more
attention as I go up down the streets
but you know I I think as you're coming
down the sidewalk and you're looking at
this house the the entrances
I I I'm not sure everybody would know
where to go and I I'm not sure if that's
you know hiding the door or I agree with
the the black brick is is incredibly
harsh it's incredibly heavy
um that may be intentional
um one of the details I I don't like is
the
um
is the horizontal siding going directly
into the vertical siding right there at
that juncture
um I do think that the house has a tall
feeling to it and the siding going
vertical sort of accentuates that
tallness
um so maybe looking at something that is
a little more horizontal and it's
banding all the way across we see that
in a lot of modern structures it's
something to explore
um I you know it's I think your primary
materials I'm looking at this is wood
next is Brick you got a lot of glass and
then there's this stucco
but then when I get to the
Roosevelt elevation it's almost as if
the stucco is taking it over so I think
on that elevation the stucco comes
across to me is a little heavy
um and I I do appreciate the idea of it
it's sort of being this third material
on just sort of kind of be in there and
sort of filling in the voids but it
comes pretty far forward on the
Roosevelt elevation itself
um
the rear elevation I you know again I
think if
you know the the black brick it just
it's it it's it's just not warm it's not
inviting the wood is very warm and
inviting and even the stucco has that
and then there's this black brick
um and then the questions on I I was
scratching my head over the
um the sloped roof over the master suite
too and really you know what does that
mean it's the only sloped roof on the
whole building
um maybe it's a little bit Whimsical
Whimsical or maybe even paint a little
bit of
um respect to what used to be there I
just think there needs to be a good
story put behind it
um
and I agree with my colleagues here that
it's
it I'm not sure it's better yet I think
it's going to be pretty easy for it to
get better
um just by getting in you know getting
more into the details and and and
studying some things a little bit
further
I
I agree 100 on the front door idea and
the porch it doesn't feel like a really
a usable porch and if that's what the
client wants to be able to have that
interaction with the neighborhood I'm
not sure that that satisfies it I like
some of the ideas that were thrown out
about
um some Mr hires comments about
something more
uh scaled down uh to to bring that into
Focus
and
I suppose I'm still sort of stuck on the
tear down issue I'm I'm concerned about
that
precedent it it's a interesting house it
could certainly be
improved upon it needs a lot of
Maintenance I can imagine living there
no problem when I walked around and
looked inside so it is a
it for me it'll be a shame to do the
demo
um but you know I that's just my opinion
thank you
uh okay will you show the perspective
from the corner please
I think it's great to look at elevations
but I personally think that
almost every time you look at a house it
really is
um more in a perspective like this
uh I I think that you're addressing the
corner is much nicer and knowing that
that's a dining room where there will
probably always be a light on and that
opacity to this to the street I think is
very nice
um I actually love the black brick I
don't know of a black brick building
that I don't love I think it has a
quietness to it where some people might
think it's harsh I actually think it's
much quieter and softer than white brick
um and I think it goes better with wood
the way that you're using it than if we
if you had done a red brick or a yellow
brick or something so I actually I
really like the the black brick I like
the stucco I like the quality of your
materials
um I see the other board members point
about the front door but I think that
could be addressed to give it a little
bit more of a human scale with landscape
type you know whether it's trees or
plants or trellises or something like
that I think that can be addressed with
um with elements like that and lighting
to give it more of a human scale so
um I do think that this is nicer than
the uh
building that's there and I really
really appreciate that you looked at
that and told us
why it doesn't work for you to renovate
it because sometimes we don't get that
from applicants and so I appreciate that
you did take a good hard look at that
and try to reuse it
um before you started drawing this so
um okay so that's all I really have to
say at this point what would you
um like to do would you like to
ask to come back next month would you
like to go to a vote what would you what
would your preference be
well I think back to sort of the
introduction to the discussion you know
it's a it's
I promise you uh if you want to spend a
day we can go back to the office and
look at every iteration of brick every
orientation of siding left side and more
side I mean so you know there's a lot of
process that goes into it I don't I'm
not dismissive of any of the comments
and certainly the things that you know a
lot but I would just say
it is not you know a renderer through a
dark pickup I will say the Brick's not
really black if you look at the it's
it's sort of an iron brick so to me it's
very different than a black brick or
painted brick I mean you got to look at
the cut sheet to see what it really is
but it's it's an iron sort of brick so
it's got It's almost iridescent uh it's
it's got life to it it's not dead uh so
there's you know magnesium I think in it
that when they fire it it gets this sort
of iridescent mirrored sort of look
about it so it's very Lively and active
brick again you know we looked at
multiple multiple bricks you know
clients we went to buildings to look at
bricks
um so same with stucco how much stucco
what color stucco I mean it was you know
it's not uh it is not an intern cranking
out of rendering last week to get
something for ARB um
uh so those uh you know in terms of
detail I guess I hope it was Express the
board
you know the invitation existed exists
for anyone to come see the house in
terms of detailing
the the detailing of the current house
is generally very bad it's very I guess
I would just say it's very average
there's not great craft about the
existing house and in fact there's some
things that you will look at and say I
do not know how that has lasted as long
as it has there's a particular Dormer
condition at the second floor that is
breathtaking I I don't know how it has
lasted as long as it has but
you know I I and I'm sensitive to the
question and we've talked about it you
know the question about scale I mean
again I look at the the West end of this
house really
almost all it sounds I mean with the
possible exception of the Nook that you
walk in for the front door and I think
there's not
a good you know I think I learned from
Mr higher on this board about Windows
and how they relate to people's sizes
and you know those windows don't relate
to a human scale uh on the existing
house any of them really
um and their placement is also sort of
problematic again in terms of you know
human scan we've worked on mid-century
modern houses and actually that don't
have those challenges so it's not I
would not exactly even call this and I
think Mr Aycock also sort of says it's
mid-century modern-ish but it's not
exactly mid-century modern and uh you
know that would be my assessment too so
um
no
no the bedroom windows don't know but
um
so
there's there's not
the two pieces of the project are
conjoined right that's finally it works
they are the demolition does not get
approved until the new design
is approved
um
so again I guess I'm standing here
thinking
um
is there any one element of the
conversation that you want to go back to
a board member and discuss or well the
detail thing was one that I took a note
about I I truly think without a question
this house has proposed is
every bit as well detailed if not more
and there are plenty of houses built in
the 40s 50s 60s that are hard to match
in terms of detailing and I feel very
confident saying that in terms of
contemplation of that and and what the
ultimate execution will be you know that
that doesn't hurt me I you know the the
question about well I opened the slide
the curtains back and what am I getting
I think back to I guess to miss Tony's
point you know I think it's not a
straight shot answer which would again
be typical at my house in most people's
house it's really that roof plan that go
back to that element so really it's
looking up not straight ahead and this
sort of plane of wood that starts at the
street and ends in the backyard and
that's to me really the invitation is
that view and seeing that surface that
you can kind of see in this rendering
but again starts outside and you know is
over the living room and goes all the
way to the back and so that you know if
the question is what have I opened the
curtain to you know I think it's that
um
yeah I think that the entrance if it had
I I'm saying this that this is the
answer but like a hanging light or
something in there that said that's the
front door and brought the scale down
that
it could be
delightful decorative and serve a
purpose of
helping people find their way so yeah
and my comment about the human scale is
not really in reference to the original
house that's there oh I know I know but
I guess back to the conversation about
you know are we replacing what's there
with something better worse or and so I
guess yeah I just wanted to highlight
that you know I
we've definitely talked about it I don't
see a lot of evidence that the previous
architect did
um or got what they wanted for whatever
reason so
um
so I don't you know like I say there's a
lot of
time and energy invested in getting to
where it is today and it and I don't
know that in two weeks or six you know
it's difficult
sitting here to say well
we'll come back we'll do something in
two weeks and we'll come back in a month
and we'll address all those comments I
guess if there's an ability to summarize
what we think the primary things that
there's an interest in seeing additional
study of that would at least Focus the
effort
um
because I think like I say could the
brick be another color yes it could did
we look at other colors yes we did do I
think this is the best option I
definitely do
um
so things like that I guess for me
falling a little bit into the category
and is it typical for Bexley no it's not
it's an all white house typical
correctly no is there an all white house
you know around the corner from this one
that's awesome yes there is and so you
know I I think those sort of five
percent things to me that you have to
allow some room for those these interest
needs to happen and maybe in 20 years
people look at and say what a huge
mistake and we talk about that a lot in
our office and maybe in 20 years people
look at it and say that was a great idea
they don't do that anymore but they
should that was awesome and so uh it's
certainly something we're real sensitive
to
um
so
is there any board member that wants to
give a feel for what they want to see
happen
uh well I mean it's we talk about
materiality we talk about proportion we
talk about you know the double height
and the you know the the human scale
ideas these are all part of our design
guidelines you know what no matter like
I said no matter what the style of the
house and so I'm and we've done this for
other applicants where you know it was
really just a tweaking
and uh they go back after they hear what
we have to say and yeah you know a month
later we review the tweaking and
everybody's happy
because that's important for me in
particular uh when we're talking about a
demo if this was an empty lot you know
maybe the details
um well I mean they'd still be important
to me but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be
the vote wouldn't be necessarily based
on
you know the details because there's a
demo right I mean we've we've had
projects where we've approved the design
and then asked them to come back and
present to us
um you know details that we could
approve separately because the idea of
the project was great we were okay with
that but then it came back again because
we just weren't convinced that the
materiality was right or there needed to
be a detail here or there in this case
because there's a demo involved uh and
this has been done before there's
precedent for this on this board we have
asked for it to come back to find get
those fine-tuning so my my the issues
that I have in terms of fine-tuning are
you know the sort of jarring uh
proportion and and lack of human scale
at the at the front
I you know
that that to me is so important because
it's as you know from being on the sport
it's the street front that's so
important to these to these houses
and I don't feel comfortable voting uh
in favor of this until there's some
refinement to the street front and if
you tell me that that brick is the best
brick your client loves it
um you know uh you know that's something
that's not going to hold me up from the
vote but did you look at maybe different
mortar colors you know that might help
to soften that brick a little bit things
like that so that's what I'm asking for
is you know in the human scale it
elements it I understand you want to
have you know contrast but those things
to me are so important because that is
what vexley is you know even even the
mid-century modern houses like the one
on Bexley park there are human scale
factors in that building despite the
fact that it's a white box and you know
it's Monumental and in so many ways
um or I guess you could say
anti-monumental but I mean this is this
is where I'm going with it that's what I
would like to well and I was just saying
a problem that maybe isn't a problem
because that we think about internally
is
you know no in my opinion no good
architect is going to take where we are
right now and not change anything you
know I mean there's going to be so your
question about uh details as we go I
mean I wouldn't want to have to do the
entire set of construction documents you
know 100 pages of construction diagrams
and not change be holding to every one
of these conditions because I think as
we draw it some of those things will
change so the idea that
is there an opportunity to review
additional details as they get designed
that to me seems great because you know
I would have to do it anyway we have to
come back to Karen if Karen thinks oh
that deviates from what they saw I don't
know that they have a problem with it
but I yeah I understand that we would
end up back here anyway so to agree to
that is just to be honest that that's
going to happen I think anyway because
that's the nature of Designing a house
like this right but again because
there's a demo involved yeah and because
this is a public hearing and because
it's important that we put all this on
record you know because there's a demo
involved I think it needs to come back
that's my opinion
so you can ask for it to be table till
next month
and yes I would say maybe I would
suggest bringing back some samples of
the brick maybe some options yep
um anything that you think would address
the
comments that you heard today and
hopefully it can be quick next next
month
that is what we'd like to do
all right but just make it check it with
the client yes I think we would like to
come back next month and
and uh continue the conversation okay is
there a board member that will make a
motion to table
yes
I'll make a motion the table
second Scott
yes
thank you very much we will see you back
next month yes
great great presentation Andrew thank
you
okay application number bezab 23-23 the
address is 2200 East Main the applicant
is Ryan Pearson and the owners
Continental Real Estate Company
the applicant is seeking preliminary
review to allow demo and Redevelopment
of the vacant Trinity Lutheran apartment
structures at 2160 2188 and 2186 East
Main Street
also a special permit and conditional
use for a new five-story building with a
housing Alternatives and variants for a
new six-story mixed-use building to
provide additional housing restaurant
retail and offices
okay Karen will give us a little bit of
background and then we will have the
applicant come forward
give everybody a chance to um
okay
um I'm gonna read a lot of this which I
don't typically do but I do not want to
miss anything so I'm I'm going to give
my fat report and please pardon me if
I'm I'm actually reading a lot of it
first I want to talk about the process
this project is a very significant
development development and a great
opportunity for the city of Bexley it's
the goal of our city to be open and
transparent and encourage all public
comment and participation
that said there is a process that the
project will go through and has begun
and it's been very deliberately thought
through to produce the best outcome for
everyone for the purpose of this
specific
um process the physical completion of
the project which includes site design
massing variance vehicular use
architecture the project will be before
the architecture review board and the
tree and public garden commission for
recommendations to the board of zoning
and planning the bzap the board of
zoning and planning is the ultimate
decision-making body for the request of
this applicant issues such as tax
abatements tiffs School impacts are
discussed and decided in other City
bodies such as City Council
Community Improvement Corporation and
School Board
I want to give you some background this
application is before the architecture
review board for the first time
the first city-led prep Public
Presentation of this project was just
two weeks ago at the board of zoning and
planning on August 24th as the
background for this ARB hearing here's a
summary which includes the discussion
items at the board of zoning and
planning the hearing was for preliminary
review and a first opportunity for
comments and feedback from the board and
from the public bees up discussion and
purview includes site development
General massing zoning code adherence
adherence to Main Street design
standards which are different than ARB
design guidelines and a request for a
special permit for five stories and they
can have three stories by right
we also looked at vehicular patterns
spoke about vehicular patterns and
parking what was not for discussion at
bzap was the architecture although
inevitably the design and material
Choice style form Etc did come up in
testimony design review is the purview
of this board the architecture review
board
a few elements of design will by their
nature be discussed at all three boards
and commissions these include how
projects interact and how the project
will interact and activate public spaces
and how it interacts with its
neighboring properties
the bzap discussion included these
issues from a site planning perspective
the architectural View Board will
discuss these issues with respect to the
architecture and design of the building
the project will also be heard at the
tree and public gardens commission to
look at the public spaces in the context
of the overall project
the applicant is seeking this is just
for background it's not for discussion
this evening but it's important to
understand that this applicant is
Seeking a special permit which is not
the same as a variance it has a lower
bar
to allow five stories while this is the
decision of bzap there are items within
1254.14 excuse me 1 4 which are the main
street District special permit in the
code that will weigh heavily on the
recommendation of the architecture
review board
I have outlined these below I'll uh
Jason had gone over them in detail at
vzap but I just want to point out that
there are three of these that have
architecture as a main point
so I'm just going to read through him
really quick they're uh one two three
four five six of them the extent to
which the proposed property and site
design conform to the intent of Main
Street design
um
standards that speeds up the extent to
which the proposed development
represents exceptional architectural and
site design so obviously the
architectural design is within the
purview of this board to talk about
evaluate and make a recommendation to
visap
see the extent to which the design helps
to mitigate a substantial impact upon
adjacent single family residential uses
that's not where the site that's not how
it's cited that's the architectural
details of the building
compatibility of architecture and site
design to the surrounding uses and
structures so not site design but the
compatibility of the architecture to all
the surrounding uses so the building
where you see it but how it's treated in
its architectural details is fair game
to talk about at this meeting
not to move the building not to change
its site siding but where it is right
now
the extent to which development creates
meaningful pedestrian and public amenity
spaces the extent to which that the
architecture can contribute to that is
fair game but we are not here to talk
about the the surrounding land use and
the extent to which the development
provides public parking that is not the
purview of this this board that will be
further talked about at the board of
Zone
um considerations the project will be a
mixed-use building that has residential
and commercial retail space this is just
a really exciting opportunity to provide
housing retail development and to
activate the public spaces along Main
Street between Gateway and Bexley Square
there are many aspects of this project
that will undergo evaluation and
discussion and many decision points for
this meeting I strongly encourage
everyone to follow these guidelines to
make the best use of our time this
evening for this discussion the
architectural style material choices in
general
how the building addresses Main Street
Corridor with respect to its
architecture
code does push the building code as it
is and Jason's here and can speak to
this design the design standards for the
Main Street
Corridor pushes the building to the
front through those design standards
that's not what we're here to discuss
we're here to discuss how it is designed
in its details how does the building
activate spaces around the building
through its architecture how does the
architecture and building design
interface with adjacent properties
and discussion of materials and
detailing of the building what we are
not here to discuss in architecture
review board are parking and traffic
patterns tax abatements the use site
design and general massing
sorry bear with me
um
I also wanted to make sure everyone
knows that staff has staff has been that
would be Kathy myself Jason all the
staff has been meeting with the
applicant over the past few weeks and
offered General feedback this project is
in the beginning stages make no mistake
we it doesn't seem whatever project we
work on we are going to have the
perception that we're throwing it out in
the middle of the process it's not this
just started we have met with um with
the applicant
we have talked about the character of a
proposed structure and its relationship
to neighboring properties in terms of
material style design the applicant has
been guided to reevaluate a quality of
design materials and lessen the amount
of different colors and materials this
is from the very first renderings that
we've saw that I had seen many changes
have been suggested that show up in the
latest revisions and admittedly there
are still many design studies that need
to be done the changes to date include a
refinement of the southeast entrance
piece a clear definition of public
spaces revision of the cornice line and
many other changes and studies are
occurring are occurring as early as this
afternoon
simultaneous to this meeting
generally the applicants have been asked
to study design and understand and
interpret it as an urban infill rather
than design characteristics of a
Suburban apartment building
the ARB meeting tonight is an
opportunity for board members and the
public to comment about the architecture
and staff will carry forward the
appropriate suggestions with the
applicant continue to work with the
applicant to create the best design for
our city
sorry about the length and reading it
but I think it's really important that
we're clear what the point is about
tonight's meeting
thank you yeah let's have the applicant
come forward and be sworn in and if you
have a whole team and you want to just
all be sworn in together we can do that
quickly and then whoever wants to do the
presentation can start
Ryan Pearson the Pet Group
I do
good evening I'm Ryan Pearson with the
edge group and I guess I'll start and
briefly go through some sight I don't
want to spend a lot of time on it but I
just want to bring everybody up to speed
on the context and how the building
relates to the site and the surroundings
and Karen if if I started going too long
feel free to just click the slides so
um the the existing conditions map
um we went out and did tree surveys so
that has been submitted that'll be more
of a tree commission
related topic
um but the map does show the
relationship with the site the main
portion of the site to the Alexander
um single family houses to the north and
Northwest there's one lot here along
Parkview that abuts the site gateway to
the Southwest
and Bexley Square over to the east
there is a narrow passageway or
connection up here to Brighton
that would be discussed later at a
different meeting
um
so no you're fine you're fine
generally the site relationship
um there will be a few other photos
coming up
um
the Bexley square and the Alex or the
Bexley Gateway in the Alexander sit
about 10 feet lower than the main
portion of the site so you'll see that
in some of these photos coming from the
parking lot behind the Rusty Bucket area
um along the north property line there's
a pretty good stand of trees that are
off of our site outside of our property
line that we're assuming will remain
um this is a shot looking towards the
connector over to Bryden which that will
remain as is and then once we get into
the discussions about streetscape along
East Main Street
um our plan is to continue a consistent
streetscape as what is in front of the
Gateway
um and then link it up uh once you get
over to the East End of the site by
Bexley square and you'll see some grade
shots
um Karen you can go ahead
go to the next one so
some some great differences because this
is relative to what we can and cannot do
as as far as saving any vegetation out
in the front I know that came up in the
last meeting we have about anywhere from
two feet or three feet of fall on the
East End of the property up to about
seven feet of fall between the sidewalk
and the the Southwest portion of the
property so
um a lot of those existing trees are
already they're plus or minus a foot
above the sidewalk levels
um they would be very difficult to save
those trees over here on the East end of
the building is the the existing traffic
signal to Bexley square and you'll see
some shots later on that that basically
we're closing off or we're proposing to
close off the ride out and extend that
green space across there to help hide
the the parking behind it and make that
a connective tissue piece between this
site and Bexley Square's retail Frontage
and then just more shots along in front
of the Gateway of the streetscape that
we are planning on matching up with
uh here's a few shots along the western
property line
um some shots showing just the proximity
of some of the parking to the Alexander
which at the narrowest point is about
two feet and then the property line
actually sits about five feet off of
that portion of the building
down in this slide you can see
that's if that were the property line
about five feet off the building we are
proposing an additional 10 foot of green
space or setback along that building
before you start the drive
um and then further beyond that it's we
have a 22 foot drive along with another
10 feet to the face of the building
so
a considerable amount of green space and
separation between the two buildings on
the west
um and in this shot if you if you go out
there and do any site visits the
property line almost follows the this
retaining wall on the Eastern side of
that stairwell leading down to the lower
parking lot so you can imagine where
that property line might hit the slope
in here the idea is that this lower
slope it would still need to grade up
and we would need to meet slopes and so
there might be a little bit of a mound
between the two properties in the end
but this basement connection along that
Western Property Line would be about the
same level as the existing Bexley square
or uh best the gateways parking lot
go ahead
um just some additional shots along that
Northern property line there is an area
on the northwest corner so this is a the
north property line through here there's
one adjacent parcel that has a very
clear view towards our site
um these these Evergreens the three
Evergreens right here are basically
right over here as you turn the corner
on the western property line
um which if you look at the planting
plans we're planning on infilling in
this corner we did one of the changes
that has been made since the bezap
meeting is we removed the trash
compactor that was in that northwest
corner and inboarded the trash so it's
coming down through trash Chutes and
Scott can talk about that a little bit
more in detail later go ahead next
um and then just some real quick shots
to Bexley Square's parking lot and the
separation between the two there's an
existing tree Row in here that would be
removed as part of the project and
all of these images here are based on
the proposed concept of the parking lot
that we have in there today but that the
design of that parking lot still needs
to be flushed out with with other you
know the city and and the cic as far as
how that would actually best lay out so
um to be determined
Uh current site plan so as I mentioned
the compactor was removed out of the
northwest corner
um we do have a one-way motion through
this piece so that it's just it controls
traffic to just make a Southward motion
there's a right and right out at the
southwest corner of the property and
that is essentially to be able to get
into the basement parking for retail and
to get our service and trash
um and loading into that that restaurant
piece in the southwest corner
um I think I don't know if I mentioned
but there's about five feet of fall from
maybe six feet of far from this
Southeast Corner down to the Southwest
just along the face of the building
and then it actually goes up another
plus or minus two feet to the existing
parking lot that we're trying to meet
grades uh then it goes into another
maybe a foot or so into the into the
level that we're gonna have our Park
our first level of parking
so in this section here you can see that
we have the basement level of uh parking
that this is the Bexley Square parking
lot grade this will be the um the
Gateway parking lot grade down at the
bottom of the hill
um we're basically trying to show the
relationship the height relationship
mass and relationship of gateway to
Alexander and gateway to the proposed
building
um this section here is running cutting
north-south through the site so we're
looking East
and showing that relationship of what
we're proposing a parking lot
That Remains the same grade as existing
parking lot today along the northern
property line with some buffering and
defense in that area
um and then the basement parking
actually does not extend the full width
or length of the building it it
um cuts off about 60 feet short of the
edge of the building on the North and
then on the south there's a through ramp
system that comes from the signal at
Bexley Square down to that lower level
that gains access to that lower parking
as well or allows people to go out leave
the basement parking go up through the
ramp and get back to the traffic signal
to make a an eastbound motion
next
um
so this slide is really starting to show
the streetscape and if we start picking
up on the spacing and the cues that that
are happening over here at the Gateway
marching those up along our Frontage
um one of the differences we're showing
we have a little bit more space right
here in front of the restaurant piece
um the idea is this right now is being
talked about as being a Hudson 29
additional retail space in the center it
could be one user or two it it does have
a step in the floor grades right now in
this lab
um and then on the Southeast corner of
the building is the lobby that gets you
up to the office levels and up into the
um the residential the clubhouse above
the parking
um
so on this Southeast corner is where
we're we're really paying a lot of
attention to that connective tissue over
to the Bexley square and continuing East
down to the um the existing retail
this is where that write out currently
sits today and as I mentioned there's
about two feet of of gray change between
that drive and the grade that we would
have for our door going into the lobby
which is based on the sidewalk at East
Main Street so there is a series of
stairs on either side here and which
creates kind of a raised planter seat
wall that you'll see in some of the
slides coming up the elevation down
below we're trying to depict the
relationship of the Gateway it's three
stories plus the uh the first story top
cornice pieces or corner pieces
um
our development three stores of
residential over the office over the
restaurant down below and in the
southwest corner because of the Fall
going across the site that is a taller
volume
piece on that ground level which is why
the Hudson or the restaurant space was
was um selected for that corner of the
building is to take advantage of that
volume in that ground floor
um and then you can see over here is the
Bexley square and this is where the the
extension of that green space and the
plaza would happen
next
so here we're starting to get into
that the connection between the two
pieces with the um the extension of the
green space this is that raised seat
wall that I was talking about earlier
um and then this is the
the main entrance into that Lobby space
into the office and in the residential
units behind it and um and and we're
really trying to activate this corner
because we do think that's going to be a
very visible Corner as everybody is
heading west on Main Street and and um
I think
when I get to the tree commission I do
want to talk about you know does it make
sense there are two existing trees on
either side of the sign today that it
might make sense to save those it might
make sense to remove if we're gonna to
save those we would need to remove this
tree because the sidewalk would be at
the back of curb essentially like it is
today
um that it might make some sense to
remove one additional tree and extend
the Planters or do some other things so
I I do think that's fair game to discuss
um go ahead next slide
um just further shots showing that green
space in the Southeast the next one
this Plaza it's trying to show that
relationship
um you we will have people parking at
that first level in the parking lot that
um the plaza extends down to where you
access the garage level again the
clubhouse level you go into the lobby
and and you jump up on this corner
before you get to the garage entrance
um just showing the further extension
that that Plaza into the the garage
entrance here
and then this slide is showing the that
southwest corner and I think some of the
important pieces here so
the retaining wall that
the flat slab of the restaurant uh we
would want patrons to be able to go
straight out onto that that plazas or
the patio space so we do Envision some
some retaining wall maybe there's a
railing on top of it
um still to be determined I think with
final grading
and then yeah along along that Western
Edge if you can go back just real quick
um you can see the grade transitioning
back up in that northwest corner that
that as as the site slopes back up
that's how we would get to that upper
level or that first level of parking so
the basement parking is really stopping
around here uh with that that entrance
and exit into the basement parking
happening behind this one
sorry
the clubhouse so
go okay so that the clubhouse piece I
did miss that piece that the clubhouse
piece is actually sending you over that
entrance to the garage
um just north of the
the lobby space
so you would see that in the floor plans
and then maybe in the next elevations
foreign
so that that Clubhouse piece is sitting
right in this area with the
um
the glass on that second floor and then
the this first floor would be a parking
level
um with plant material hedge
along that entire run
um we are looking at doing upright trees
just because the limited plant beds to
help ground the building these shade
trees would be out in the parking lot
Islands as shown on these elevations
Scott did you want to talk about
elevations or
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um
I think I'll turn it over to Scott with
ph seven to go through the architecture
my name is Scott deisser with ph 7
Architects um so just stepping back real
quick uh the program we have 218
multi-family housing units we have 11
000 square feet of retail 12 000 square
feet of off space and 265 car parking
garage
uh the site circulation parking grades
the density that we were trying to
achieve uh really drove the layout of of
the plan
um so as we look at elevations uh along
Main Street we have mixed use along Main
Street we have retail the what is that
the 11 000 square feet of retail at the
first floor the 12 000 square feet of
office space at the second floor and
then we have three three floors of
multi-family housing above
um along Main Street
uh in this upper elevation
we created a urban streetscape dividing
the elevation into multiple storefronts
giving individual character to uh each
of each of the retail establishments now
we have gone through several iterations
we've worked with Frank and his team and
this was the uh the the scheme that um
uh we as a group were drawn to and we
have since
um gotten feedback on a number of things
so this is what we're going to go
through and then I'm sure we're going to
have a lot of conversation over over
what we're talking about here so
um
we continue that same aesthetic that we
did along Main Street on the other three
elevations uh
uh dividing the elements into smaller
um building components using these
slices uh through the building to to
kind of frame these individual building
components Along on each of the other
elevations
um and as as Ryan was saying you can see
the the base layer of the building is
the parking garage along the west
elevation you just it is two stories
where we have an entry into the basement
uh garage level as well as a ramp up to
the first floor garage level
primary building materials at the retail
office is Brick and aluminum storefront
obviously what we're showing is multiple
brick colors for
um that means that Main Street facade
uh above that so anywhere we have
multi-family so on the east west and
North elevations
um we have brick at the lowest level
that extends up either two or three
stories in some areas
uh we have vertical fiber cement siding
and trim we have fiber cement panels and
trim as well as vinyl windows in all of
the apartments
well you can forward to the next one
next one so this is uh just um looking
East down Main Street
um showing the relative height and
context as it relates to Bexley Gateway
um
yeah so we'll get through these and then
we'll have conversation so uh as as Ryan
was talking about engaging streetscape
is an image at night uh storefronts all
lit up we have
um outdoor seating uh that's associated
with the restaurant
uh so
we really wanted to emphasize the um
the the east corner of of the building
that anchors which is anchored by The
Pedestrian Plaza uh
be according to building roads opening
to that Lobby
um in which residents as well as uh
people working in the office or visiting
the office uses that entry to get up to
that second floor as well
um
we have uh these locally balconies that
are above the the main entry at anchor
this corner that's also part of the uh
three bedroom units that that are there
in the corner
[Music]
um
East Elevation Ryan just went through it
just before so we do have the clubhouse
over top of the garage entry
um
and just another view of what we were
showing in that elevation
so contextually uh we got a bird's eye
view looking Northeast
um you can see how our building relates
to Bexley Square as well as uh you know
we see the Giant Eagle and then Trinity
across across the street as well
relative Heights and and how it's how
it's cited there
and then we also have one looking back
toward Northwest
um
see that's actually Square parking lot
new building and then we've got uh
Bexley Gateway
um
further down the road distance
if we want to go through the plans we
can
um or we can reference some if it's
helpful as we
as we go but one of the things we did do
as Ryan's as Ryan pointed out
we moved all of the trash collection
interior to the building so we have
trash shoots on either side of the
building uh for the apartment complex
um this would go down go to a trash
compactor multiple bins there would be
pulled out and and put into the truck as
the truck goes to the parking lot and
along that Alleyway we also have on the
first floor a separate trash uh
collection area
um
adjacent to the restaurant that will
also be used by the other retail and
office spaces that with its own
compactor and access point uh if you go
down the first floor
um but it it's also off of right right
here
so restaurant has direct access to it
all the other retail and offices would
just be coming in the back and and using
that so we've eliminated the the need
for the compactor
um out in the corner of the site
uh so
this is second floor so again we have
the clubhouse it overlooks The
Pedestrian
um Corridor Plaza that's on the east
side
offices the the 12 12 000 square feet of
office space Here's the main entry uh
into the jump Lobby that takes you up to
Leasing
um
and then
floors three through five is all uh
units that consist of
um
uh one two's and three bedrooms
you
Karen if we if we need to talk about the
lendering plans we can I put these in
here as support information
okay can I just clarify
um just to give some context the trash
trash situation came up it seems like
for those who weren't at the last
hearing it may seem like that's a
strange thing to like get detailed on at
this level but I just wanted to give
everyone the context that the trash
um dumpster area came up as a as an
important point so that that was the the
context of that yeah that's okay I just
it's a weird detail to like jump Ins at
this point for architecture review so I
just wanted to give the context of it
yeah okay okay is there anyone else from
your group that wants to speak about the
project before we go to the public
okay seeing no one okay I am going to
ask that um that we um try to figure out
an organized way to because I think
there's a lot of people that want to
speak
um I would like the um the opponents to
go first
um can I help you sir you keep raising
your hands
okay
um we will have the opponents go first
and we will start with people who live
in the Alexander and we are asking that
you uh limit yourselves to three minutes
because we don't want to be here till
midnight so
um if you can respectfully say your
point in three minutes that would be
awesome and we will have someone running
a timer so I also have a sign-in sheet
on the uh Podium so if you could sign
your name and address as you come in uh
and introduce yourself
um do we need to swear everyone in
that once
[Laughter]
did you put your name on it Andrew
[Laughter]
okay so we will start with the Alexander
if that is okay
um and so if you uh would like to speak
as an opponent of the project please
um just come forward in an orderly
manner
is there anyone here from the Alexander
okay if you would like to speak about
the project in opposition
then please just one at a time come
forward and sign your name on the list
and tell us
um your name do you want to just swear
in the whole audience
yeah let's do everyone who wants to
speak today stand up at one time we're
going to do one swearing-in
just for the Alexander or for everybody
the whole Pro and if you want to Skype
today stand up so we don't have to do
this
address
anyone that wants to speak please stand
up to be sworn in if you are not
swearing in you will not be able to
speak
yeah
okay Kathy will swear you in
French
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okay thank you and so uh just introduce
yourself and then before you leave sign
your name and address
um
I'm Kathy skolnick and
what is your address man I live at the
Alexander 500 South cat Park field unit
207 which means I sit on both parking
lots it's probably the worst unit in the
building
and we knew that when we bought it but
and I'm not against Frank's development
at all
what I am against is
I will lose any Sunshine that comes in
my unit
I'm against having the the road the
access road that will be built right
under my unit
I'm against
the two garage doors that are going to
be
right by my bedroom window
and
I think there's some ways that
these things can be altered
so that they're not
so bad for us and that we won't have to
move
because we really like our unit and we
don't want to move
so that's what I'm asking thank you very
much we appreciate your testimony
the next person that would like to speak
please come forward
well I was starting with the Alexander
but if no one else from the Alexander
wants to speak then please come forward
opponents only right now please
good evening my name is Raul Vance
Bronson I live at 530 South Parkview one
of the Brownstones at the Bexley Gateway
um my property directly faces the west
elevation of the proposed complex and
one of the main issues uh for me is the
skill of the proposed uh development
because it will literally overshadow my
my neighbor's properties because it's
five stories high with minimum to no
setbacks and what I mean with literally
overshadow is that five stories will no
longer allow me to look out of my window
and see the sky when I'm sitting in my
living or dining room morning sunlight
coming into my home will be reduced as
well and I'm one of the lucky ones
because my property is deferest away
from the proposed development indeed my
neighbors at the Alexander will be right
on top of that so our amount of light
and sunshine like my neighbor was
already stating before is going to be
significantly altered by a five-story
development
it will reduce use our value of our
homes it will reduce the quality of our
like lives because of our reduced light
that is coming into our home and I hope
that that will be taken into account by
just working on the scale of this
property compared to the surrounding
residential homes that are there thank
you
thank you very much
uh next person please
you can go ahead and state your name and
address
we are at the eye of the storm if you
will
okay
uh
you know business
is not only about
opportunity as you said it is also about
threat okay I deal with very large
companies very large business
transaction I think we're all aware of
that there's only one problem here
the opportunities is the threat is ours
okay
a lot of what I've heard also in the
previous hearing is kind of a bit unfair
you know these people get unlimited time
we get three minutes okay so there's
really no balance here
a lot of what I've heard from the
development team is either irrelevant or
unsubstantiate
or sometimes plainly ridiculous
okay
it's very nice that which the case is
the back sleep boy I'm not a Bexley boy
but I lived in places like New York
I lived in places like Hong Kong and I
can tell you a lot about what happens
when you change density to the extent
that we're talking about here okay uh so
they are assumption being made here
that are really unsubstantiated
I want to keep young people here
do you know that these are the people
that you want to get sir is there
anything about the architecture that you
want I will definitely do the action
because you definitely
identified very clearly that you are
interested in an impact on adjacent
property our property again I said the
alleyway if this Alleyway becomes a
highway
which would be unheard of given you know
if you think of anyway the rest of
vaccine and you're talking about the
alleyway that goes north up right
borders on bright yes okay there's no
way for us to close ourselves there
we're at the corner and so forth this is
basically going to devastate us going to
kill the value of our property basically
going to be we're going to make it
inhabitable and that and you're saying
you don't want it as a road is that what
you're saying that is correct if if
we're discussion which we are open to
okay because we are not against
development person we took it once we
serve it when Alexander was built we
took it for the second time when the um
you know the supermarket you know was
done we got much greater traffic and so
forth but this is kind of you know the
limit if you make it a pedestrian wall
where the people who walk there if we
walk there every day they are children
there there are people on a bike there
is an elderly couple that use a walk
here
okay so what are we going to do I mean
you're going to keep them out sir I'm
just going to say this is that that is
really and not a thing for this board
this board will not determine what use
that uh driveway gets this board will
determine the look of the architecture
of the building so but you really should
say that for um for bees apps I will and
and and I share but number one this is
opportunity for me again to react we
didn't have this opportunity in the last
hearing but two again if you ask about
impact on adjacent property in our case
it goes Way Beyond the color of bricks
or the shape of this Deco whatever else
this is basically going to destroy our
way of life yeah I I I totally I want to
make one one but this board can only
endless architecture I understand and I
respect that I want to mention just one
more thing that again may not be in your
courtyard maybe in the next I don't know
that but
when you look at traffic patterns a
congestion yeah traffic is definitely
not because there are Health
consequences to that that would also
make this city reliable just to keep it
in mind I'm happy to share it in the
next hearing as well yeah thank you for
your time thank you
it's what I am from the Alexander's last
quick question is density part of your
deal or no
the extent of impacts the results
but I just want to get out of
um
so
yeah
can you tell us your name blank 500
South Parkview unit 302 that's where is
your writing
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yes
um I would say that
everyone is understands that this is
going to be developed
I don't think that is anyone's argument
I think the look of it it appears but I
really can't tell that there's more
brick is that going to be brick that
would be similar to what is at the
Bexley Gateway or is it a completely
different look that's
hard for me to determine in that picture
but I think that obviously is an issue
but I think the thing that everybody is
saying is density this is a tall
building that Towers over anything
in this part of anything in Bexley it
Towers
and I don't understand why on such a
small lot
that architecturally this could be
acceptable it creates the things that
you said are not your
are not your purview uh traffic
Etc but you have to keep that in mind
when you are architecturally looking at
something that is
huge
huge it goes back
um from Main Street
it goes so I'm in the Alexander I don't
know if we have a picture of our
building but our that's the Gateway but
our building is behind that and then we
have a row of Carriage House garages
which
this building will go all the way back
there with a very narrow little parking
area behind it
so it's going to be massive that's that
is when I see the pictures of it it's
massive and and I think that
the actual architecture is not the big
argument it is its size
so I don't know is that your purview
yeah thank you okay thank you
hey I'm James Davis
uh
I'm on 21 88 uh Brighton just behind it
um
I'll I'll be brief uh
I believe Bexley was founded as Country
Estates in a Parkview round which is
right north of this is the oldest part
of Baxley
and
you know low density residential areas
this is a five-story building high
density
uh high traffic which is more in keeping
with the design that you'll find around
OSU or off of Lane uh in UA it's
actually exactly the same there's
nothing distinctive about Bexley or the
design in our neighborhood
um it's pretty uh cookie cutter for the
city and there's nothing distinctive
about it at all
um
I have no problem with the commercial
development
uh
I just don't see the benefit at all to
the current residents
and uh yeah I basically Concur and agree
with everybody else it's far too large
for a residential neighborhood like ours
um
and uh it's completely out of keeping
with the spirit of our neighborhood
which is small and low density
all right I gotta go thank you thank you
6'5 Bryden do I need to sign in
please
I have
the proposed Trinity Redevelopment
project is a blight on our community in
every way zoning ARB tree and garden
public tree excuse me tree and public
garden commission each of these
committees will have and will continue
to hear the objections to this proposal
the sheer size of this project square
feet height that's 75 000 square feet
more than double the number of square
feet of the Alexander and The Gateway
combined
height density all completely
inconsistent with everything Bexley
concerns include traffic and safety
potential influx of students into our
amazing schools but already overstuffed
and a lack of any solid income for our
city
but out of respect for this board I will
focus my comments this evening on
architecture
Bexley residents who are in favor of
development because we are are asking
for new buildings that are compatible
with the surrounding neighborhood the
right size and style the existing
buildings on the site match the scale
setback and architectural style of the
Lutheran Seminary across the street
Bexley has Rich architectural diversity
but the proposed building has no
definable character it might as well be
a Home Depot
the Contemporary facade is ugly
made more offensive by its size and it
looks like it belongs in Upper Arlington
strip mall or on the corner of Broad and
Hamilton in fact it is and I believe the
last person said that to it it is
exactly the same building
in those locations with slightly
different colors
why does Bexley have to settle for a
design that is common unattractive
lacking in creativity and style
Bexley is a unique Community with
beautiful red brick sharp stucco rare
but classy wood siding
on turn of the century victorians
Colonials American Craftsman Tudor and
Georgian architecture mid-century and
even a few Mediterranean revivals
a new building in Bexley should be
equally classy and in keeping with the
unique character of Bexley
many of us bought homes here rather than
Dublin or New Albany because we're not
the mcmansion which this building sort
of resembles
we bought homes on the quiet streets in
appreciation of the lack of density one
finds in the University District or
downtown
we bought homes here pay taxes here
for the beauty the schools and the
safety
I could suggest to build a pocket park
in front of the building instead of
adding retail space that would provide
Green Space for residents and visitors
to enjoy and would help create a more
vibrant and welcoming atmosphere on Main
Street
I could suggest adding a green buffer
behind the garage
so that the people in the neighboring
backyards don't have to look at a giant
concrete structure
but I am not an architect or a designer
I am a doctor who practices medicine in
this community
a mom of two elementary students in fact
the middle of three generations of
Hershey's who live in Bexley all within
two tenths of this proposed two tenths
of a mile of this proposed development
seven years ago when I was eight months
pregnant this board gave me hell over a
proposed addition to my humble abode
because the window style wasn't in
keeping with the architecture of the
home
well this
give him hell
thank you
okay uh Steve Diamond
yes all right is 500 South Parkview
unit 202.
thank you I'll be brief
uh first off I think we should give
credit where credit is due and I just
want to take this opportunity to thank
Mr Cass and Continental for listening to
whether it was the council from a couple
of weeks ago or some of the Alexander
residents that they have made the
decision to remove those trash
compactors on the west side and decided
to keep it inside so I think they
listened to us and they made that change
and we appreciate that very much so
thank you
um I'd also like to say that I
personally don't have any issues with
the architecture per se
except for the fact that I think we need
to do our due diligence and my wife and
I actually drove to Kingsdale where I
believe they are currently building a
unit and they also built the unit on the
corner of Broad and Hamilton
and when I look at those and I'm not an
architect to me they all look very
similar and I know that at the last
meeting there were members that were
sitting here on the board that
referenced the fact that they feel that
they had some concerns on the
architectural design in that it didn't
really have the look in the feel of the
town of Bexley so I would just ask for
you and that when you consider this
building that as I was taught as I'm
learning how to build things myself you
measure twice and cut once once this
building goes up and if it's something
that we're not happy about we can't
knock it down and rebuilt it so just be
very mindful of that when this
architectural building goes up and it
does fit the look and the feel of the
city of Bexley thank you
thank you
hike I'm Allison Steiner I live at 485
Columbia place I guess I should write
that down
okay now we're good
um so yeah I just bought a house in
Bexley in March super pumped about it
really excited about the area I've got a
kid that you probably heard screaming a
little earlier another screaming kid on
the way
um I'm gonna try to keep this again
focused for the purpose of the meeting
for architecture
um but inherently in that it does affect
where we are in Columbia place and I'll
avoid the traffic piece but the density
does play into that right
um and the way that the building is
currently
built I'm an I.T consultant not an
architect sorry but
um you know there's there's no hope to
direct the flow of that into Main Street
because the building is
all
facade Etc in the front
um and again it's five stories so again
the impact of I I don't know how many
units are there right now 87ish or
something like that
oh my goodness I'm number six the 200
plus in this will directly impact us
with the folks that will now be on
Brighton
um I just again
love my husband love my kid they're very
average
um but in a lot of different ways I see
them like running into the street with a
ball not paying attention and with
again I I know this is not focused on
traffic but the density issue inherent
in this and the way that the building is
built will mean that that will be a part
of what I will have to live with every
day irrespective of the value that it
will have on you know depreciative value
of my house but just
that's problematic and not why I bought
a house in Bexley right um and again I'm
not anti-development um I'm not I would
love to eat brunch at Hudson 29 I think
that's great but
um I just what that means for why we
bought a house in Bexley and the type of
neighborhood I wanted to live in
um that that changes inherently with the
density of this project
thank you
you need to swear me in because I didn't
hold my hand up John Roush 500 South
Parkview Avenue 303
the summary
where or from the testimony about to
give the same people is Richard yes can
you show the renderings the area the two
aerial rendering renderings of the
property that are in that yes
yeah there you go right there
um that speaks pretty well to the uh
requirement that the project meet the uh
have the context of the surrounding
buildings
I mean that alone uh shows that it
doesn't
that's all I'll say about
thank you
yeah I raised my hand before my name is
Stephen Rosenthal I live in the
Alexander 500 South Park View
unit 208.
I
have a question
it's an underground parking right
yeah and then there's five stories the
underground parking doesn't count as a
story in the building
and
that's that's what I'd like to know
that's an architectural question we
count that or we don't count
as father the height of the building
because this site falls off but
southeast northwest
90. there's another round level and then
there's uh at grade level restore flows
a bargain level 70 feet in explorable
apartments it was about twice that so
it's not any more than five feet
it's one is a lot of that we're not
ready for it I'm sure I'm the only guy
with someone before this project
s that sounds good
all right
number of flaws
organized
it was the aerial there were the show
bar building uh
if you'll notice um we built the
Alexander can you give him a microphone
and yeah
excuse me yeah
Frank I think we just need to let
everyone talk and then have you do
Revival at the end three feet difference
between the Alexander and the top of
that building yeah okay three feet
did you
Go sir
did you understand what his his point
was
yes but I'm just saying
this underground parking and this five
stories
it says four one four two four three
four and five I wanted
so perhaps the applicant when they speak
can address your question and the
question is noted yes thank you sir
I didn't get sworn in
uh all you latecomers yeah
Edward ornston I'm uh at the Alexander
uh unit 305 and my biggest object oh I'm
sorry
yes I do
if you go back to the picture where it
shows it's from the top I'd never
realized how
the the top view
nope so you can see it through right
there that to me now that looks so
massive to anything in the whole of
Bexley plus it looks to me almost like a
prison
okay I'm not trying to take a thing with
it but it just looks to be a big
rectangle
you know that's it but to me it looks
like you're quoting a prison in the
middle of Bexley
thank you sir
your name and address Nathan
Angela Yak 2240 Brighton Road
um is there a representative from
Capitol University here tonight
no okay
is Sarah faff here
exactly
raise your hand if you're from Wes
Bexley
West Bexley would be from Drexel
Columbia Parkview to Westland
thank you
I understand this is the architecture
review board and that there are certain
elements that you guys cannot discuss I
have some bullet points and we'll just
go through them and you can say pass or
go
first thing
2023 is the year of the parks for Bexley
we are an arboretum it's a museum of
trees that means it has cultural
economic industrial value cutting down
and destroying these does not seem to be
the Bexley way of life
I understand that we're not going to
talk about tiffs we're not going to be
talking about abatements
but I was in Upper Arlington today and
do you know what I saw I saw this same
building at Kingsdale
would you like to see a picture I'm
happy to show it to anybody
okay
here it is now it's the same building
with some changes on the exterior
this building in Kingsdale is a
corporate business area the mall used to
be there across the street there are
some duplexes but in general it is a
four-lane road
what does Main Street have right now two
lanes with a Boulevard
I live on short bride and as I mentioned
and the reason why we moved to this
community before kids was to have the
feel of being in a city
um yet in a suburb close to campus close
to
um the airport close to downtown
the traffic that this is going to create
with the density of this project cannot
be absorbed by Bryden Road the exits
that this building wants to have an
entrance is we were told that Main
Street cannot take that on why are you
going to put it on to burden the Bryden
the Columbia the Park View there was a
study done
you hired a civil engineering company to
do a study and when was that study done
in the summer when Capital was not in
session do you know what else was not
included in the study bride and wrote
hold on this is important please address
the board okay okay
which these are the same characters that
were part of the Giant Eagle project
where Bryden Road Again was not studied
so if you're gonna put in a traffic
report that Bryden Road is an exit for
the new development but you don't study
it that is not being neighborly and also
when the applicant talks about us
collectively that we're having the same
repetitive points that's very
disrespectful and not neighborly thank
you very much for your time and
consideration and in closing the mayor
Continental Frank they do not own Bexley
it is not for sale the Bexley residents
own the city and we have spoken thank
you
thank you
there's nothing we can do about this
thing so I guess it is
available online
come forward
peglay Wyland I live at 471 South Drexel
I'm not going to repeat the same thing
about the scale to me it's completely
out of scale for Baxley this is an urban
scale that would be fine near downtown
in an open space if you bring that into
Bexley what will happen from then on
you'll set a precedent and this will
just keep going up Main Street and it
will destroy Bexley thank you thank you
ma'am
anyone else
good evening board thank you for giving
me the opportunity to speak uh on behalf
of the project my name is Alejandro Diaz
I live at 281 South Parkview
the purpose of the board the charge of
the board is for the preservation of the
Aesthetics and character of new building
design proposals to keep with the spirit
of existing designs I think we can all
agree on that
the architecture plan is anathema
to the existing structures on Main
Street
I moved to Bexley from the East Coast
about 12 years ago
and I chose Bexley much like many of the
individuals here chose Bexley
and paid Bexley prices and pay Bexley
taxes
partially because of the character of
the city
I trusted the city to keep their out of
the bargain to preserve this character
this proposal
breaks with that implied promise
if I wanted to live in a location that
looked like Lane Avenue in Upper
Arlington I would have taken my money to
Lane Avenue in Upper Arlington and
bought in Lane Avenue in Upper Arlington
I chose to buy in Bexley because of how
Bexley looks
I don't want to live in a place that
looks like Upper Arlington I want to
live in a place that looks like Bexley
and finally on a personal note I'm in
armed forces veteran something I think
very few people in this room can they
claim to
I was deployed overseas for five months
yes I'm a bactic person that got
deployed that's rare
and one really doesn't know how much
when Mrs home until it's gone and by God
that I miss this place
so
I implore you to think long and hard
about individuals myself and don't take
this away from me thank you
thank you
next
anyone else
okay I actually think we need to take a
break for a minute because some of the
board members might need to use the
facility so um we're going to adjourn
for about a three or four minute break
for anyone that needs to use the
bathroom and then we will come back with
uh proponent so hang tight
everybody please turn them on
thank you
thank you all for the much needed break
okay we are going to uh move on to
proponents
and um how many proponents do we have
that want to speak for the project
I see Frank
um is there anyone else that wants to
speak for the project
okay hey Kathy can you tell Kathy can
you please explain to everyone out there
that their conversation is bleeding into
here and so we need them to
um okay
um so this we're going to move on to
proponents then and because uh Mr Cass
it appears to be the only uh proponent
I'm going to give him time to try to
answer your questions and
um you know hopefully it's again not too
long but uh we'll ask Mr Cass to go
ahead and speak about the project
okay yes please
how about inside can I move this down
here and speak sure
that way if someone has a question I can
see them in an answer first of all thank
you uh for the opportunity I I actually
had several uh Bexley residents that I
know
call and ask me if they wanted to come
and speak on behalf of the project and I
told them they don't need the abuse and
that I would handle it myself
um I'm going to talk about the
architecture of the building I'm talking
about the relationship of this building
um and what we're trying to do and
working both with with bizap and and
with uh
um staff
um and the kind of things that have gone
on so I'll address a couple of them that
I think you'll be generally happy about
um
the um we're making changes now the the
traffic study was done it came in the
day of the bizap meeting it's as as
they've told a matter of public record
um it said that at Peak traffic there'd
be three cars going out to Bryden
um we don't know what Peak traffic is we
know nobody wants anything to go out to
Bryden
um so we will be happy to close Brighton
it's been open for as long as I've been
alive and not have any traffic go out
there and make a pedestrian only so
we're listening okay
um
some of the things I'm going to tell you
you're going to like some of them you're
not going to like some of them some of
you might actually like me for what I'm
doing most of you won't as I tell people
my mother named me Frank uh for a reason
um
I'm uh um a little upset about the
um
Scott disler is with ph seven they do a
lot of architectural work for us they
did not have anything to do with the
project in on Broad and Hamilton I think
Karen you have a picture of that project
that's the one that looks identical to
this
and it I look as identical as to Karen
as this project looks to the project on
Broad and Hamilton I might add
nope
that's another look we're playing with
for this project Karen
that's that's um okay on the lower right
hand corner
can we blow that one up you can't I
don't know what you came up
that is um the uh Hamilton and Broad
Street project in Whitehall three floor
walk up
um only similarity that I see is that
the top of the roof on the end cap
um certainly doesn't look like the the
project we have with the retail
um that we're uh proposing to put here
on on uh on Main Street
um one of the other ones that some lady
that spoke a little bit ago that had
four kids and moved here
um
that is
um
okay the the one on the upper right hand
corner those are Apartments below that
is retail that's on the Lane Avenue in
North Star the part on the upper part of
that same one is a 12-story building
that's part of that project
um I I just you know buildings
can look alike
um and I I'm not sure what it means the
the Bexley look you want this is not New
Albany I have two boys that live in New
Albany I have a difficulty telling one
house from the other
um that that's a look you know I think
Bexley has most every look and that's
why people like to live here
um so I'm not sure what look we're
looking for here across the road across
Main Street is is Trinity
um that those are traditional buildings
they've been here as long as I have I
started kindergarten at Montrose in 48 I
presumed they were here before that so
we can't make an apartment building look
like Trinity Lutheran Seminary
um there's no similarity between the
uses the time in that which they were
built they're very very different
um we built the Alexander and Gateway
for Larry Rubin the back building has a
height of 67 feet I looked up the plants
our height and you can sort of see it
that that one aerial our height is 70
feet at the back now there's no question
we're higher in the front quite a bit
higher in the front than the Gateway
piece I get that but not every building
in Bexley not every building anywhere in
the world certainly the gentleman that
has lived in Hong Kong and and New York
there's every highest known to mankind
um and and so some building has to be
the tallest in the city and I would
imagine that if this gets built it will
be
for a few years but something will come
up up and down the road that has an
economic uh impact positive one on the
city now the importance of this project
it's very important to Capital
University to sell this piece of
property because they benefit from the
money they will get in selling this
property and we are working with capital
and other projects as we speak because
they need to monetize their property and
make Capital more ingrained in the city
of Bexley possibly one day making Main
Street two-sided uh in the area where
the the Giant Eagle and and and uh um
the the theater and Giuseppe's so who
who knows what will be next
um the negative that I have to say to
you is that
everybody that comes to Bexley decides
where they want to live or where they
can afford to live and not everybody can
live in the same place
when you buy a house or buy a
condominium
and you're within one block of the one
commercial area we actually have here
you are in Jeopardy of having things
next to you you may not love but you did
buy property that you know we bought
somebody mentions yes I'm sorry to
interrupt but I can't I really have to
yeah we told the residents that we're
here to talk about the architecture yes
and I think I feel like we're going Way
Beyond that and In fairness to the
residents and In fairness to the board I
I would really respectfully request that
you focus your comments on the the size
the scale the architecture and it's I
understand it's a little related to the
point you're making but um you know
you'll have an opportunity I assume with
city council and these apps
we don't go to city council I don't
believe but yeah the tangential pieces I
think
well we had a lot of people here today
and so they talked about things that
they're leaving here with Impressions
that may not be the correct impression
so I've just addressed some of that I'm
not sure because this is the bad news
yeah we sold them focus on architecture
design Aesthetics and I personally would
appreciate if you I'll take care of that
so let me get back to where I was which
is the scale of the building and why the
buildings at this scale
um
Bexley does not have
really nice apartments for young people
working people people that might want to
move back to Baxley when they come back
from college the scale of this building
is such that that young folks 23 to 33
before they have a family before their
kids are in a school district
um can be in this city and then when
they have kids if they've enjoyed the
experience of being on Main Street in a
a large building will then be potential
buyers for the buildings the houses
within Bexley that will not lower the
price of Bexley houses but should raise
the price of Bexley houses I think when
when that's understood and you have some
understanding of the scale of the
project yes we're a bit higher than
Gateway yes we're dense
um you know when you look at from that
aerial that it's an figure eight the one
gentleman thought it was a prison
um you know I I I think for the most
part people aren't going to be looking
at it from there this particular
building will have a rooftop amenities
in certain areas it'll have a very very
nice Clubhouse with exercise facilities
within the figure eight there's going to
be a outdoor activities within the
project itself at the front end of the
project that Ryan was showing you on the
the east Southeast corner there will be
a park atmosphere that that does not
exist today when you drive into Bexley
square that will all be part of the come
as the end the entry to this particular
building
um so you know from an architectural
standpoint
we think that it does fit in with Bexley
we admit it's large we admit it's larger
than other buildings in the city and you
know over the years there have been some
large buildings built
um there's a an apartment building on
Cassidy uh North Cassidy that's very
large and very long it's not very high
but it's a very very large building uh
but it's not the location that young
people that would like to be able to
walk to Moshi Sushi walk to the grocery
store go to Giuseppe's you know maybe on
a nice day track to robinos Graeter's
Ice Cream whatever those are kind of
activities that they do get on Lane
Avenue and they've used Lane Avenue
today architecturally speaking as a
negative for a thoroughfare and why be
there all right well this is Main Street
we built our condominium on Main Street
we love living there my wife has the
bookstore on the lower level we
literally walked to dinner 3 three of
the seven nights a week typically
um Monday it's a little harder because
only Cobb is open and we eat there but
anyhow it's uh it's a pleasure to be
able to do that and this is urban living
and this is urban architecture it's not
Victorian architecture that someone
mentions it's not the same architecture
that Trinity has it's not exactly the
same or exactly the same brick as
Gateway I don't think it should be the
exact same brick as Gateway we like the
way this building looks there's multiple
materials but we've also been working
with staff on alternative looks for this
building and we are listening that's the
most important thing I want you all to
understand we are listening we're
providing amenities we're providing a
nice looking building it's a big
building I get that but I will tell you
Capital University is selling this piece
of property
um at a relatively high price and and
it's worth that price it's not this
similar to the price that we were paying
for property in Upper Arlington which is
a a urban suburb you know it was
interesting is we are close to downtown
here we are close to to the airport here
getting young people to live in this
building that can mobile around this
city to get where they need to get they
can walk up and down our streets and
live in a contemporary environment now
we'll make this thing as traditional as
as the architectural committee wants it
will make it as contemporary as they
want it you know I've built hundreds of
buildings and and uh um I think they
look great I think there's better
looking buildings than ours and worse
buildings everybody has different case I
tell you what it's very difficult to
build anything with a committee of 50
people telling you how something ought
to look so we're trying to focus on what
you all want okay and and we're gonna
we're gonna get that for you but we
can't do much about shrinking it we're
you know it's it's four floors of
apartments in the back over two deck two
floors of parking but parking one is
underground the other is is above
um and it's three floors of apartments
above two floors of commercial
um the Bexley schools have indicated
they wanted to move into the second
floor their their uh um superintendent
and administrative offices to create six
more classrooms in the high school just
an estimate again this architecture
these size of Apartments the mix
architecturally between one bedroom and
two bedroom we might have four or five
kids in the Bexley public schools from
this building because of the the the
architecture not design of the space but
the selection of one bedroom to two
bedroom we have for because I had phone
calls the two corners of the building
floors three floor and five where you
see those balconies we've had calls from
adults that would like to sell their
houses Stan Bexley and rent so we have
six three bedroom apartments on the
corners of the front building
okay yeah okay
okay thank you this is all about
architecture the choice of one bedroom
two bedroom three bedroom okay it's all
part of it that's really where I am on
all this stuff I think at this point
it's best to go to the board members and
yeah I'll answer any questions anybody
has whatever and so um is it okay if we
start Mr Hall are you okay
so
okay first of all I don't think
anybody's saying that it has to be
traditional architecture
you talked about trying to match some of
the neighboring buildings and those sort
of things I think this has to be quality
architecture and it has to be unique to
Bexley
and what's been presented tonight and
was presented at bzap two or three weeks
ago this is not unique to Bexley this is
this is what looks like is going in in
Upper Arlington at the Kingsdale site
and I don't view that as uniquely Bexley
um I would suggest that you
um that your team goes into you know
more urbanized areas and look at Urban
infield buildings and see how those kind
of contextually fit in with their
surroundings
um the aerial that was provided tonight
um one of the speakers kind of took the
words out of my mouth I think she kind
of referred to it it looked like we put
a whole you know shotgun to Home Depot
into the site when I looked at it my
thought that it was it was Costco going
into the site the
the the way the the balconies there's
there's just no relief in the elevations
at all if they're just flat elevations
and there's this it's a play on
materials
um even the the um the the projects in
UA the porches are cut into the cut in
you know they're not you just don't have
doors with a railing going across them
um I wonder there's a lot of this into
your courtyard space you know why aren't
we trying to flip that to the outside
and step the building and and really
start to have an impact with massing I I
don't think it needs to be a box if you
start taking these into your Courtyards
and like I said sort of flipping them
around
um I I think there's a lot of work to do
here and I I think you've heard it from
the community you heard it a couple
weeks ago
um this is there's just a lot of work to
do and I'm just gonna I'll stop there
and just say it has to be uniquely
Bexley and it is it is not that this
building you can go out and find it
anywhere anytime in this city so Aaron
can you show that other drawing the the
one you the the one you worked on today
uh with with uh
today
you wanna just show it
I mean I'm not sure what uniquely Bexley
uh the color's not right on that one but
but again at this uniquely Bexley
mint you know and by the way the
balconies they are completely sunk in on
the corner so I'm not sure exactly what
you're saying sir but but this uniquely
Bexley mean you'd like to see something
that you haven't seen anywhere else in
central Ohio is that what you're talking
about because I'm not sure what is
uniquely Bexley you know what I'm
possibly yeah because I don't know what
uniquely means quality Quality quality
design quality architecture that
responds to the context of our Main
Street quality materials you know I'm
not a I'm not you know I'm not a big
personally I'm not a big fan of ifas I
know it's a value material but you know
it's not to me it's not a long lasting
material it needs to be built and look
like a building that it should be there
forever
anything else Mr Hall
okay thank you sure I I have I'd like a
clarification from the applicant uh
you said that
you can't do anything to shrink it and
why is that well we need a certain
amount of of uh density of units
um in in order to
um justify the purchase price the
capital
um insisting on uh making uh the selling
this property for and and uh
um more than anything else that is
um the the first justification for our
density we also were mindful at the
expense of
the character of Bexley well I'm I'm not
sure it's the expense of the character
of Bexley it depends on how we look at
it you know we're getting
um some it's the most important thing
well okay we're getting pushed back on
the size of that building
um you'd you'd mentioned before that Mr
Hall that you're thinking of stepping
things back and whatever
um you know what if we came to you with
a building that had more character
step things back
um had more different softer spaces but
was
four floors higher than this building
again every city finally has a higher
the tallest building I mean the site is
not quite three acres right I guess my
my point is that what's driving this is
the cost to purchase the property has to
be balanced by the density that you want
to put into this property yes in some
elevation uh constraints and in our mind
we have I understand but if you stand
back and look at the character of Bexley
okay it's not always about you know
going in and buying everything on sale
because everything's on sale you buy
three things that you need because
they're on sale you don't buy everything
on sale because they're all on sale and
there's another analogy is you know just
because my body can eat tons of food
doesn't mean that I'm supposed to do
that to stay fit and healthy so the
question is when you're building dense
density the way you're proposing it is
that healthy it might be healthy in a
monetary sense but it's not healthy in
terms of what we are as best that's
that's what I'm trying to get at that
the idea of being able to balance this
has to balance other things it's not
just about the density versus the price
of the property it's about who we are as
a people and sometimes that has to go
into the balance as well
the other things that strike me you know
is is that because you're you're filling
this out
to its extents as much as you can within
the limits of what Main Street allows
you've lost sight of that character for
instance if we go to the I'll just go to
the front elevation of the building
along Main Street
there are so many examples historically
and even modern uh examples where you
know this section alone being five
stories might be acceptable
proportionally this section alone might
be proportional might be acceptable
proportionally for Bexley because you're
taking a square footage area and you're
making it more vertical okay but it's
still a similar square footage in terms
of facade that you're dealing with on
other buildings on Main Street so it has
a scale that we recognize as
commensurate with what we're seeing on
Main Street even though it's up like
this instead of down like that you see
yeah and so why not make this more like
a traditional U chord why not take this
Central section out you know in here put
an arcade across and have a public
garden back there or a private Garden
even with the
um club uh room that was actually at the
back of that green space well what do
you lose with that you lose commercial
space on the ground floor you lose your
office space and then you lose all of
this residential above but again in
terms of the scale and the proportions
of this building to me that makes more
sense I could live with the Main Street
guidelines limit of five stories if this
was your five story and that was your
five story and that was not okay and
maybe this fifth Story would have a roof
like the Alexander where you have an eve
line that's at the fourth floor level
and then the roof starts to go back and
that top level becomes something more
like the Alexander where you have
Dormers or something like that or maybe
you start introducing more of your
rooftop amenities that you were talking
about the other thing that strikes me
about this besides the filling out on
every facade is the focus on this corner
I'm very it's very curious to me that
this is the corner of focus because when
people and enter Bexley they have a
Gateway already they have that turret at
the corner where Moshi Sushi is and that
is your entryway where you emphasize
something special okay this is not the
gateway to Bexley and this is much
bigger than what's on the Alexander I
think it's inappropriate that we
emphasize this corner additionally these
are not really public spaces that you're
creating out here between this building
and the Bexley Plaza and I don't see
anything in here that's actually
park-like or a place where people can
sit and take a break take a breather
um and so this is this to me is an
oddity I also think that the scale of
this and especially with this cornice
um this to me is the most jarring part
of this project even though you're
trying to create a special place on a
balcony like we see at 300 West Spring
Street which is great but to have that
kind of emphasis a sort of a Monumental
corner at that corner to me doesn't make
any sense the other thing about this uh
with the traffic that's coming into
Bexley Plaza I mean I go through this
all the time because my office is over
here above Giuseppe's and when I want to
go west I come I have to come through
here
I go out to uh the exit onto Main Street
and there's the right turn only that
takes me just past the apartments uh the
the old Trinity housing here and I can
get out of there without having to wait
at that light when I want to turn left
onto Main Street in front of Brassica
sometimes I don't get through three
lights
there are three lights I have to wait
before I can get out because people are
leaving from Orange Theory they're
leaving from Brassica they're leaving
from City Hall and so you've taken that
away there is no exit here now it's just
everything's at that light so I you know
that's not architecture but it relates
to my experience and it relates to you
know what we could make as a more of a
public space but we you know having to
still have to deal with another exit of
some kind I would think but that's why
this this corner is a curiosity to me in
fact I would say that this building is a
mid-block building it is not a building
that should be recognized as having a a
corner anchor that's an architectural
you know uh Monumental piece that
happens down at the Gateway up here you
have the opportunity to create your
balconies they can be recessed they can
wrap the corner they can do what you
want but to to call attention to that
seems to be out of place
um so again if you had this as a
five-story building that read uh you
know with a roof line that started at
the fourth floor if you were able to you
know cut this out and make this building
more of a u-court
um even though you're going to have a
courtyard in the back it would also make
the apartments inside more pleasant
because they're not going to be looking
down on cars in a parking uh uh in a
parking lot I don't see any cars what do
you see there's a Podium with activities
okay so they are looking down on a Green
Space yes even better that they would be
able to you know be able to uh see that
through this make this your entryway to
the apartments or you know at this point
walk through to your Clubhouse and then
go to different stairs the other thing
that strikes me about the layout of this
in plan and this is something you know
that we we learned in architecture
school for you know very early on is
that you're only supposed to go so many
feet before you have kind of a public
space in the apartment building itself a
bigger space that has light that comes
in it's totally inhuman to have people
live in spaces where they have to walk
50 60 feet before they get to a door or
An Elevator Shaft or a mechanical you
know area with it's got water water uh
you know like like pop machines or
whatever but you're supposed to break up
that walking distance with things that
are Pleasant like light and open space a
little bit more if you go to the plan
you'll see what I'm talking about
and this is you know a lot of we do talk
about Interiors on some of our projects
because they affect the exterior as well
in terms of where this is going to go
with design as this develops but you get
up to any one of these upper levels okay
here's here's a break
okay what happens here does that what
does that say trash okay there's there's
nothing here that's a break in this long
Corridor and then you get to a stair and
then look at this corridor
I would never I can't imagine people
wanting to live in in a building where
in order to get to my apartment I have
to walk down this kind of corridor there
are buildings all over the world that
are torn down on a regular basis because
people don't want to live in those kind
of
hallway-based apartment buildings it
happens in Chicago it happened in St
Louis years and years ago it happens all
over the world so there's a lot of
development that needs to happen here in
terms of making a livable apartment
building with more light more space and
that's why I asked about the shrinking
because as soon as you start to
introduce these ideas about making a
corridor livable and walkable you're
eliminating some of the space that
you're talking about here that's going
to make money because it's a rental unit
and then if you have a fifth floor
that's basically more or less part of
the roof then you can't have as much
space up there and if you get rid of all
this right here so that this becomes
open to the street and that green space
is open so that your five-story building
is here and your five well it can it
could come in a little bit more
um but now you're getting rid of all of
that so when I say you know if we look
at this in terms of shrinking
uh in a way that is still
you're still talking about making this
uh work because it works for Bexley it's
not just about filling out because it's
going to match the price I paid for this
building let's think about ways where we
can do that where it's just a mindset
right you get back to it and say I am
not getting the spaces that I wanted for
that price but I am getting a livable
building that's right for Bexley
so there's lots of work to be done here
I you know my favorite view of this
building go go back to the perspective
views because I think there's potential
here
um as as you work through all this keep
going back to the corner
um there was uh I haven't maybe I had
that one
okay so on North Cassidy we went around
and around and around with the developer
on you know what happens and how do you
deal with you know the materiality and
you go up to the uh when you go up to
the upper floors and what was finally
developed was something kind of like
what we're seeing here but you know and
you do have a hard cornice line here but
then you go to the upper floors and
you're not stepping back anymore but
this kind of quality right here and I'm
sure Cameron Mitchell will like what I'm
saying but this this has quality to it
okay that right there has quality good
proportion when we talk about good
quality for Bexley and things that are
Bexley it's about materials
good quality materials it's about
proportion it's about human scale it's
about light and it's about comfort and
it's about Green Space all these things
are important to identify with Bexley
I'm not talking about architectural
style
but this has quality right there I would
love to go to this restaurant right here
but the rest of this is just ballooned
out to max out to the street and I think
other things need to come into play that
will help to make sense out of the
purchase price that's all I have
thank you
Mr Scott
um where to start um
so I agree on a lot of what Mr hires
said um
I'm going to start with uh the
elevations and the building Mass can you
go to
um
some of the flight elevations please
how about that one
so when I first looked at the the
building design
um
I felt like there was three or four
designs that were in the 3D model that
were left on when it was rendered like
there was a lot of things going on
uh and and
I was trying to understand the the kind
of
design approach to how the building was
being materialized and and ordered from
base middle to the top
and also in its massing uh and I think
you know we've heard a lot of comments
tonight about the massing of the
building uh and I find that there's
there's little attempts to
to modify the massing of the overall
building
to relate to the context of its
surrounding neighborhoods
um and and I you know there's some been
some comments from about stepping the
building and I think maybe
architecturally the in the in the facade
treatment of materials that the stepping
that happens towards the north side is
changing that that starts to try to
address that but I think it's just
there's this five-story facade that's in
the backyard of homes and I know that
there's it's owned that way and when you
buy property that close you run that
risk and I understand all of that
um but I feel like the the facade is you
know just in some of my notes Here is is
kind of
well it is it feels busy to me it feels
non-hierarchical uh in its materials and
there seems to be way too many materials
going on uh for my type of comfort um to
be able to articulate the building I
think there's a trend and I think we can
see it and I think people have mentioned
it tonight in architecture especially in
high dense you know multi-family that's
especially Podium multi-family where
Architects you know have they do they'll
do a banding they'll do these rectangles
bandings and and and facade material
treatments to kind of break down on
facade but to me it always comes across
fairly playful and and non and really no
direction it's it's it kind of
represents what's being shown here in
the East Elevation uh so I would really
want the architect to kind of re-look at
how these materials are being used and
how we can Define base middle and kind
of capping this building I do appreciate
that the there's some uh articulation to
the parapet and the massing and breaking
down the maskings along the overall I
think that's incredibly important so we
don't have a one big rectangular box or
a piece of butter
um so I think that's helpful I totally
agree about the corners being
articulated and especially the the
southeast corner to me was very
confusing to understand what was trying
to be hierarchical on that there's there
seems to be four or five different moves
being made all at once to kind of make
this corner so
um so important but also then kind of
tilting the glass and pointing back into
the parking lot towards towards Orange
Theory just didn't seem to make any
sense to me
um I also would would love to see
options for trying to open up and one of
those Courtyards maybe to the street to
break down that overall massing along
Main Street it would bring that into
your courtyard even though it's up on
the second floor potentially
um connecting that to the city uh the
streets which I think would be very
helpful for that amenity space uh and
that's connection to the to the fabric
of the community and also overall
massing of the building
um
we'll just say right here um
I do actually appreciate the first is
the second floor uh and and especially
in the later Seminole that we got today
from Ryan uh and the applicant about you
know some of the Landscaping but as the
building is connecting to that
pedestrian scale uh I think that the
quality of materials as Mr hire said on
the Hudson 29 side of the building I
would like to see that repeated uh not
that specific uh material but that kind
of idea of of you know the the kind of
base of the building is being very solid
and and um you know grounding its stuff
well to the the urban fabric uh but I
think you're well on your way to
developing that so I would like to see
that continue
um
but overall I think it's it's it just
feels really busy to me I think there's
there's a couple projects in town I know
we referenced the Berlin Avenue
um there is one project on the west one
on Lane uh and it develops I think by
Crawford flying very large building uh
right on Lane Avenue but on the back uh
there is very small single-family homes
just to the north of that they actually
on on the drive aisle of that back
parking lot which is the access to the
garage actually started stepping down
those units a little bit and having
recess balconies to help drop that
building to kind of help it not be just
a big flat facade
um architectural style we can debate if
it's good or bad but the massing and the
the articulation of that I think was
very successful in how it transitions to
the neighboring properties
um another one I think I would reference
that I wrote down was some of the
multi-family that was done over at uh
the white uh the White Castle Project
that was recently developed those those
multi-family projects are actually
like someone I call them plain they're
very simple in their materials but in
that there's an Elegance to the
proportion and how they put those
together that I think is actually quite
successful now those are built in a much
it was a big offices and a much bigger
Urban fabric there for offices
um but I like that how those work well
within that context so I just feel you
know both of those are in relationship
to the scale of this and how it's
related to the context around it and
then also you know the material of being
just a little too busy very busy at
something and I'm also curious as the
the highest point of the building is is
real in context is really to the lowest
single story retail of the uh Nebraska
on the corner so there's this pretty big
just you know juxtaposed height of that
across the parking lot to the single
story building uh it's a little strange
to me I think that needs to be
continuing to be like that
thank you Miss drosser
I'll be brief I generally agree with the
comments for the keys and bills
the
one of the key pieces of successful
addition or contact with sort of
facilities is that the mass the scale
the materials are appropriate
when I look at the the celebration
I don't believe that changing materials
and moving the wall back here and there
changes the mass of that bill
and I do not believe the mask that
building is appropriate for that site
for our protection
I see a lot of colors I see a lot of you
know a little platelets here and there
but that doesn't thank you that doesn't
change
the scale and mass of the building
and the same thing on the west elevation
and I
greatly appreciate your comments about
stepping down scaling down closer to the
neighborhoods and
Bill's suggestion of some taking
advantage of
not the courtyard inside as much but
maybe the courtyard's on the outside and
opening some park space in there and
that's
um so I agree there's a long way to go I
don't see
how tweaking
the facades and the materials alone will
result in a successful project for that
location
thank you
uh so I I generally agree with all
comments that have been made
um I will say that when the Cassidy
Avenue project came before us
we talked a lot about trying to build
something on the first two floors that
felt like it could have been here a
really long time
and that just had some substance to it
it had great details it's not that
you're building a busy building it's
that you're building something that's
subtly beautiful and we pointed out many
buildings in Bexley that are subtly
beautiful
and I think something like this has to
be chopped up to almost look like a
bunch of smaller buildings in order to
be believable that it you know could
have been here for a while and that it
fits into the the fabric of the rest of
the buildings in Bexley so
I think there's a lot of work to be done
um
I I mostly agree with everything that
everyone has said so
um um is that helpful yeah well it it
helps
um it redefines what we're doing that's
for sure so
um a couple of uh questions in response
to what you're saying so so you you've
all said
um to varying details
um ways that basically you're saying the
Project's too big
um that there's really no other places I
think I think I think most people are
agreeing that in places it is too big
and in places it's like what happens
there Suzanne is when it's in places
it's too big if I'm going to have height
limitations then the Project's too big
because if I remove the front that you'd
suggested uh Miss Trier uh in the middle
there of that of that particular space
right there so that the buildings two
separate ones that we could redesign
um then we're removing the one floor of
office that we no longer have the 12 000
feet we can figure out if that could go
north and south on the west elevation
for instance of the building because
we'd like to the city wants some office
space there okay because the office
workers pay two and a half percent
income tax to the city so you know we
have so many bosses in a project like
this from where the roads come and go
and what the city wants and and for
instance
the first meeting
that we had with the city before we had
any staff meeting set up or whatever or
or
um whatever committee meetings whatever
you call this we were told maybe get rid
of the right turn out from Bexley Square
okay we didn't make that up okay so get
out and and believe it or not as crazy
as this sounds you'll still be able to
get out from your office but you will be
going on our plan you will continue
between the front building and the other
building which happens to have
Apartments over it but it's a straight
shot to get a right turnout onto Main
Street just a little farther away but I
guess what I'm saying to is that that in
the end
um for us to create the kind of density
that the present price dictates us doing
um I I have you know I'm not the
youngest guy in the room here I built 10
000 Apartments
um and I could get into dialogue with
each of you individually about what I
think you're right to tell me today and
the things I don't think you're right
about you and I bill can have that
conversation sometime okay
um the the uh these these four and five
story walk-ups or four and five stories
secure buildings where you get in with a
fob have become something people want so
that they're not like in the White Hall
project they're three floor walk-ups
that you park your car in front of the
building and take your chances you're
going to get in uh you know without
somebody uh uh uh uh there that it could
be a problem so here you got a secure
garage you take an elevator upstairs to
your space you you have a fob for the
elevator it's a more secure building yes
there's long hallways but we've never
had any problem renting those kind of
places at all okay
um but I understand what you're saying
and and interestingly if somebody went
to Kingsdale
um we've just opened this month the
um Senior Living building there and that
building we did a heck of a good job
with wide corridors is that back for
entry doors and so forth now you know
people are paying about
six thousand to seven thousand a month
for uh assisted living or an independent
living place in that building it's a
different building so what I guess I'm
asking you is if the collective group
here your your commission Architectural
Review
um once less building on this property
and if that's all you're looking for and
design integrity and different I you
know do we have the opportunity to look
at this thing take your consent your
your your thoughts into consideration
and maybe have some portions of this
building a little bit higher even than
that is now again every city has some
buildings higher than others you know
um and and uh um if we have less
Apartments here in the end
we're not going to be able to do this
project which will make a lot of people
in this room very happy okay then
Capital will sell it to somebody else
and they'll go through the whole process
too because unless you have this density
you can't pay that price I mean the one
thing we do know I don't know all the
things architecturally you all know I
know you're right about the things
you're saying to me I know I'm right
about how many apartments I need when I
pay seven and a half million dollars for
a piece of property
okay I I know that intrinsically
and I've known that for a long time okay
so that's the conundrum I'm dealing with
so I'm happy and my group is happy to
come back to you with something
interesting more exciting uh not looking
like was it
Costco or Home Depot I can't remember
what I thought it looked like at you
know maybe you need to take a better
look at it I don't think it looks like
either of those but I understand your
point okay so we we can play with all of
these things we can figure out where to
put the office space you know uh it
obviously can't go like this although
we've done some before like that that
maybe it's open on the first two floors
an office here I mean we can get
creative with certain things but I need
to have a certain density or I need to
go back to Capital University and say
David is not going to fly
okay
I I guess I'd like to respond to that I
don't want to sound disrespectful at all
but someone one of my clients often says
to me
don't make your problem my problem
I feel like the price you paid is
probably a problem
but you can't make that the community
problem
we have to have an excellent building on
this site it is such an important
location
but we
we can't let
the cart drive the horse you know and I
understand the economics I understand
what you're saying 100 percent
and it would be a shame if this didn't
come to fruition I agree because it'll
be a great addition to the city
but we can't compromise
to this extent
I I hear you clearly but I also like the
height thing that's not a Architectural
Review Board decision that's a decision
for bizap I believe right so yeah but
they'll get a recommendation for you and
if you like what we come back with here
in a few weeks and it has some higher
elements and it has some open elements
and some green space and some other
things you can recommend hey this is
what we want and then they'll listen and
because the one thing I I agree with
what you're saying but I disagree
because when you say I'm making my
problem your problem everyone in this
room has made their problem my problem
okay and I'm not saying disrespectfully
but the driveway going this way becomes
my pride yeah you understand the
easement I we have going to uh Parts
people comes my problem it is a
challenging site yeah for for the
developer to deal with yeah and for the
neighbors to deal with yeah and my whole
point here is that that
some constraints have to be lifted
that's all maybe one of them's height so
that we can get more relief and more is
relief the right term architecturally to
to get it back you know get more relief
get a little more hike here and nothing
there and and figure out how to make all
that work we're willing to look at that
and if the height was away from the
residents more on yeah I don't know I
it's a big problem to solve but it
clearly it's a big problem the nice part
is we can close the road the bride
so all of that can go away even with our
density we can do that okay you know
um the the I mean there's things we can
you know we handled the trash what we
have haven't handled is a building you
all like to look at or that you think is
appropriate for Baxley right I hear that
okay so we have a couple choices you
know one of them will start tomorrow
when I talk to Capital okay
um and another one will start when we
all sit down and decide you know
listening to what you're all saying I
mean you know we're really good
listeners but we're we're not magicians
can I ask the city
um
in terms of
going on to the next level and Mr Cass
is you know offered that this is going
to be a back-end a back and forth
process
um
how can this board
be publicly involved with you know that
back and forth
and that's why we're attending all these
hearings and so we know what you're
looking for and you know
we can do that we have no problem with
listening and listening to stuff
everybody heard what you all said
tonight one bad suggestion not one right
I just I guess you know there have been
other projects where we had special
sessions that were public
but I mean this is an important property
I'm only saying that in you know in a
public hearing because I think that it
would be helpful I mean there's a
there's three Architects on this board
uh and we have a wonderful architect
who's design consultant but these ideas
and the energy that's created when you
know there's a collaboration
um is I think important for this
property
I think it's a great thought and we've
done it before
I don't think we can sit
oh but you can have executive sessions
or whatever but
they've been they've been a pleasure to
work with and a lot of things that you
pointed out positive like the the new
cornice law you know that was a reaction
to our work sessions already yeah so we
needed this meeting what what the
board's feedback has been has been I
think really productive
um but we need to get to work as soon as
tomorrow and I think we can do those
special meetings
um I'm not convinced that you know
well we don't need to get into design
right now the size of the project
that is something that
okay so at this point we have heard from
all board members we've heard from all
audience members
um do we need to
um table this or I noticed uh bizap did
not table they just basically
ended the meeting so I don't know what
we're how we are supposed to end this is
something that they ask that we they
asked Suzanne that they we meet once
before we go to architectural which was
because of the size of the project so
because of the size of the project you
guys can all do whatever you want to do
I don't believe there's any vote
required today no this was a preliminary
the last one was no action for the Visa
so we could take that same action and
what I will do is
send another notice out for next month's
I'm searched next month well that's what
I was asking do we need a table or was
this a preliminary and this is a bza
application I think we will just simply
take no action the applicant has heard
our uh comments but I will send another
notice out at the end of this month for
next month's meetings make sure we give
proper notice looking at Catherine's
faith and I'm not sure if she agree
took no action
then why are we taking action well we
technically are the recommending boards
so I I don't know we're not ready
application pending though right it's
just a zoning board it's a zoning
application because there's variances
involved so this body recommends on the
zoning applications
okay
so it'll be on the agenda next month
that's what you're saying it's not Rally
table it's a continuing discussion I'll
be on the agenda next month yes so
there's no vote great way to put it
continue it until the October 12th
meeting
and
Mr Hyde wouldn't expect a vote until
you know the applicant is
finished having a conversation here
maybe you with them or whatever but well
especially if we are going to have some
kind of a working session it does make
sense to wait until that is done before
they present them right and that working
session is a public meeting yes
there will be public meetings and
typically as you go through these when
you have these more complicated projects
it's up to the applicant to either table
or just have it on the next agenda in
this since you're not really here for a
formal vote on a recommendation today
they're still just presenting the
project I think
with their consent it can go on to the
next agenda if they're ready I mean if
you know they they need time to massage
and come back you with ideas too
sometimes that takes more than one
meeting yeah so is that okay that we are
not taking a vote tonight yeah the vote
wouldn't be a very positive one at this
point yeah
so I'd like to just asked to a question
it's very hard to hear the conversations
so if there is a work that you call a
working cell does that open to the
public absolutely yes
it will be here and noticed and opened
and the only question was when the
typically what I was saying was the
applicant when you there's an
application pending and it's referred
here for a recommendation the applicant
is has the to some degree the
opportunity to ask the board to have it
on for next month if they're not ready
for next month to maybe request a couple
of months it will come back you will get
notice it will be in a public meeting a
work session would also be public
here you may not it may not be as
interactive with comments because it is
a work session but it would be
absolutely a public meeting yes it's
lots of fun you'll see Pete and I get up
on scaffolding with tracing paper and we
start like yeah
all right
to start with ARB and then go to Visa or
is it the other way around yes
this board makes a recommendation to be
zap to approve or not to prove in the
end it is their choice but they do tend
to listen to what we recommend so yes
ours is a recommendation to them as is
the tree and public gardens commission
as is the tree and public guard
information there's also is a
recommendation
okay are you ready thank you all very
much for coming tonight your input is
greatly appreciated and we hope to see
you back next month and at the working
session if you want to attend so will
that be possible what's the date today
yes it'll be on it'll be on the city's
website October 12th
is the next architecture review board
meeting and I also typically post one of
the notices in the Alexander building I
give it to the concierge
it will be prior yeah if I give I have
to have proper notice and they need time
to the working side really has to do
with staff and us that's not for the
public to be though correct
this discussion is about a working
session with the ARB themselves if
they're if you have a working session
with the ARB and for their feedback
between meetings or at some other date
that would be public and the public it
would be posted noticed and the public
would have the opportunity to come which
is not required I get that so a couple
questions then okay
um we can continue with meetings with
with Karen and yes and so forth are we
permitted to talk when we have something
to show based on comments that you all
made today that have independent
discussions with you or you or whomever
or show you work product
you need to submit that to Karen and
she'll submitted find us and gathers up
my preference would be to have no uh
Public Work sessions it's going to be
hard enough to satisfy five voters plus
staff I'm not interested in 53 voters so
I would defer to Catherine to correct
anything I'm about to say
but in the past and this might
need to be corrected if an applicant in
the interim sends me an updated plan I
blind copy
so that there is not a meeting like
there cannot be interaction back and
forth between board members but I can
blind copy and which is by the way they
never see each other's comments that's
all I ever do is blind copy any email I
send out they can respond to me I can
relay their comments to you that's how
we would prefer to to continue with this
if that's okay with everybody
I think it's professional that way we
trust uh Karen I should I know all of
you do and and by the way we trust very
much what you're telling us today I'm
also telling you I have no idea if we
can execute it the the the only reason
why I brought up the opportunity to do a
working session is because we've seen
some resolution happen that way uh
you know on the Fly between your design
team and you know and and those they
instead of you know having it go around
and around through emails I like that I
like that okay as long as the public
that's listening isn't giving inputs
during that meeting you can't have that
then you end up with a camel instead of
a horse
the public sessions we've had like that
were um there was notice given and it
was it was
um it was uh recorded yeah and I think
we had a couple people at one of them
the couple public came and observed
yeah I'm fine but but what the reason
why we we had them public is because we
can't I can't interact with my other
board members in a session like that
unless it's public that's right that's
right yeah I'm fine I just I just made
the statement that it's fine we would
interact with that with your people our
people that's all fine but we can't have
one person at once you know red brick
and someone would like light brick and
someone does like stucco or ifas someone
doesn't no there was no public comment
so that's my own question so let's let's
make clear when the board is required to
meet in a public meeting you cannot a
majority of your members for cannot meet
outside of a public meeting you know for
a PR for a topic that's going to be on
your agenda right so what a work session
it would be a public meeting a public
meeting does not require you to take
public comment it requires you to allow
the public to attend and typically with
a work session here and at many other
Council meetings it allows you to come
to hear what the conversation what's
being happening but it doesn't mean that
you're going to get to comment on it and
I think that's what Mr Cass is saying
when work sessions tend to not be
productive if that's what's happening
the idea of the work session is that it
is a work session between the members of
the board in public so you see what
they're talking about you can hear the
comments with the the applicant and
their team to discuss items there are no
decisions final decisions that can be
made in a work session that's conducted
that way it would come back for another
meeting a public meeting when the board
would see a final product they would be
together they would vote they could take
at that time public comment as well the
applicant could choose to table ask for
is that they're they're voting on a
recommendation it's not a final decision
but when that happens they can hear your
comments the applicant has some
discretion on whether they and as you
hear the chair ask and do you want to
vote today do you want to move forward
and keep working if the answer is keep
working then that's what will happen
it's on the agenda for next month if
they choose to have a work session they
will set the date of the work session
you will receive notice of that it will
be posted you can attend but you will
not be an interactive participant in
that other than being here yeah
absolutely
probably
thankful absolutely and they will not
make a final decision on a
recommendation other than in a meeting
like this where they will take comments
and they will hear from people so if
there's not going to be a decision
without that and this sport has has
always been very good about all of those
things they listen to everybody on both
sides they take that into consideration
they take what the applicant is doing
into consideration and they make a
decision on a recommendation when I
think there's at least the applicant
agrees that it's the right time and
usually it's a mutual decision that they
both know that they've gotten to the
point where it's time for a decision
yeah
they typically do not know to typically
bzap does not attend any ARB meetings or
ARB work sessions they wait for them to
work out whatever recommendation they're
going to be receive the recommendation
and the materials from them on what
whatever the final
position is
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still needs to be silent recommendation
the well the beat
it's unlikely that the entire meeting
will be delayed and this I kind of leave
to Karen and Kathy but but the bzap is
considering as you've heard today more
things than just architecture so they
typically meet to consider the other
things that they've got to consider with
the applicant and eventually it all sort
of merges together and and they will get
they will not make a decision on
architecture until they receive a
recommendation from ARB but that's as it
relates to architecture they have other
things that they could be making
decisions on
yes
are they going to be hearing and
responding or addressing the comments
that have been brought up YouTube
they can read they can read the minutes
a lot of them will and also sir Karen
Boker attends both of those meetings so
she relays to that board with this board
is she reports to them what's happening
and they do receive a formal
recommendation
and it they will make their decision
also in a public meeting
also with public comments and we we
watched the video or attend in person to
the bzap meetings to hear what's
happening so there's a lot of of
communication and what will come out of
the recommendation from architecture
review board here I will Kathy and I
probably together but I will craft a
record of decision that will be
presented to be zap as well as a verbal
report on everything that was said and
decided and even the process kind of
where we started and where we've gotten
to
thank you
okay thank you all for coming very much
your uh thoughts and
comments are greatly appreciated so
and we are adjourned
it's