one minute
yeah it is Larry it is what I remember
this
we will call to order the May 11th uh
Bexley Architectural Review board
meeting and we will start with roll call
of the members
here
um okay uh next is approval of minutes
which we are going to send this to next
month because the minutes are not
completed and a couple people did not
have a chance to review those so do we
need to make a motion to push that or do
we just make a note
if we get motion to the table
is there a board member that will motion
to table that till next month
second Strasser
okay this is our time for public comment
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about something that is
not on the agenda tonight if you're here
to speak about something that is on the
agenda we will uh do that as we get to
your item so is there anything that
anybody would like to talk about not on
the agenda tonight
seeing nothing okay
um next item is old business so we had
one uh case that was before us for old
business that is being tabled so it is
the application number bzap 23-8 the
address is 2691 East Main Street the
applicant is Sarah Montague and the
owner is Matt Davis and is there
anything in the audience that is here
for that application that is being
tabled till next month
do I need to have a approval for that
Kathy
absolutely I've been a stable back to a
certain date June 8th 2023 yeah we
should have a motion to table it so that
we don't have to send out notice
is there a board member that will make
that motion
so moved strawser
and that's Mr Hallman that second it
Mr Pryor yes
yes yes
our next item is to go through our
consent agenda items we have three
applications make it easier for you to
read them okay there we have three
applications that we have approved as a
board um I think we've had a few tweaks
made to them and the app the applicant
has agreed to make those small tweaks
so those three applications are number
ARB
23-6 the address is 342 North Ardmore
the applicant is Daniel hot the owner is
Daniel hot
the second one is application number ARB
23-11 the address is 63 North Remington
applicant is Amy lowerhouse I'm the
owner is Pam monter
and the last one is application number
bzap 23-10 the address is 2504 bexford
place the applicant is Yvonne riggy and
the owner is Matt and Lindsey Van Meter
is there anyone in the audience that
wants that came to the meeting tonight
to speak about those applications before
we move to approve them
Mr higher art I'm sorry Mr Hellman uh
the only question I have a safe plan
shows any language new law
but it looks like it's driving I'm
presuming that is long because that goes
back to our ground coverage because
which applications applications
I'm sorry
I just want to clarify still before
that it was fun yeah
that is what I recall from my
conversation with Amy but I'll just
double chat
yeah
sure it's legal production great I will
make a note and confirm and just for the
record any I don't feel like I need to
go through them I will if you want me to
but any recommendations on these as
consent
um items were all accepted by the
applicants
right okay are there any other comments
about those three applications
okay seeing then is there a board member
that will make a motion to approve those
three on a consent agenda so moved
second
that was Mr hire as first and Mr Hellman
seconded
um
yes
okay
um next for new business we have
application number ARB 23-10 the address
is 266 South Stanwood
the applicant applicant is Daniel
Beaumont the owner is Paul lamb the
applicant is seeking Architectural
Review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for an addition and
expansion of the existing sun room
and we want to get a little synopsis of
that project from Karen okay
um do you want to swear in do you want
that the applicants to come up first
okay this application let me get it up
here is
um for an expansion
of
um
a sunroom
I just don't know why these take a
little bit longer for them to come up
when
it's on this
so this existing sun sun room and I'm
going to pull up the pictures too
um is where the dotted line is is
already existing with the windows in the
exact same place as they are proposed
here the difference in what's being
proposed is the same excuse me the
change in siding
um and I had a conversation with the
applicant before we talked about perhaps
looking at a way to make this siding a
little bit more I mean even though the
sighting definitely is in need of repair
on what's existing and I'll pull up some
photos in a second
um there is a little bit more character
in what's existing now it's not just
horizontal citing so I suggested that
maybe if this was
um a little bit reworked with some maybe
panels underneath or something that
would dress up the siding a little bit
to give it a little bit more character
um did you guys want to come I don't
know who wants to
who had the baby
okay
um where are you Daniel yes yeah please
come on
his wife had a baby this morning wow
congratulations that's pretty awesome so
he was pretty excited when I told him he
was first Sunday and yeah
please state your name my name is Daniel
Beaumont you saw me swear or from the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth yes thank you
so can you just give us a little bit
more of a explanation of your project
and um
I would just say that there are a few
elevations that are missing and a little
bit of information that's missing we
can't really figure out how the addition
um ties into the existing house like in
the basement and how you you know where
the doors and things like that so if you
could go through and give us a good
explanation of the project and Karen
will pull up any drawings that you want
to reference
so the addition
the bottom of this basement in this the
ceiling joist in the basement will be
the same so what we're gonna have to do
is in the new edition it's a little bit
lower than the existing house so we're
gonna have to raise that a couple of
inches that way we can have a flat flat
floor all the way through but uh in the
basement the ceiling joist is just all
flat
okay you want to pull up the basement
drawing there now there's a ton of
drawings so I'm just uh
you let me know where you want me to
stop I also want to make a note that all
of our images all these photographs are
all sideways and no matter what I did to
my computer I cannot get them turned the
right way I am
I usually am pretty good at fixing that
and putting them on a PDF
and this one I just couldn't get to to
rotate all of them and the entire in
this particular application Oh I thought
it was all every application I looked at
oh did it happen on every application
yeah well I can definitely rotate them
on here now so
um
what do you want me to pull up first
you want Facebook
yeah I think certainly that's what he
was referencing recently basically hold
on I'm having some difficulty with this
today
there we go
is this what you want
yeah so I mean this was just one of my
questions when we look at the basement
plan
how are you getting into that room
so that right now there's an existing
um window like kind of like a
it's like a 30 by 24 inches and we're
gonna cut that Foundation all the way
down
and you're so you're cutting a door in
yeah from the existing from the existing
basement into that new edition okay so
there's a lot of details like that that
aren't drawn on the plan which to get
your permit you're going to have to have
all that information
um
so how about if I send it to a board
member and let somebody start asking
questions and then I'll wrap it up by
the end is that okay is there anyone
that wants to First yeah I'd be happy to
the um
sometimes I think we see intent and a
drawing
but we don't see it in the drawing
and so uh not all together sure I think
in the back uh the uh they're they're
still citing used there's is Will Will
sighting be used in the front or is it
all white well the same panels be
replicated on the side I'm I don't find
maybe I'm missing it what the proposed I
understand it where it is and I
understand it since it is assumed to be
a complete replication of what's there
but I don't see a drawing that tells me
that okay um so we spoke with the owner
um proposed we want to match in the
front the front facing we want to match
this existing Stone of the house like a
wainscoting and the rest of it it would
be a board and bad site
throughout so this plan is kind of not
showing that
it does not
um yeah that's I mean that's that's a
detail
uh that probably maybe not a detail
maybe not a detail maybe it's a right
not detailed right major thing
so I I I I as you could suspect
we can't approve something that isn't on
the drawing
so we don't have a drawing to approve
um we can talk about it but I don't
think we can actually act on it because
there's nothing everybody say well this
is what's going to be done now we can if
if we think we can do that because we
can remand it to Karen uh and she could
handle the details but I don't know if
we're all comfortable doing that
I think this is a good picture for you
to talk about what you want to do yeah
there you go that'd be good
so the front is going to just come out
all the way to where that fence is and
just under that weight
um the windows see the stone by this by
the front door right on the rest of the
side and wrap it around to the whole
front
the whole front of this piece let's
check the bottom up to the windows okay
so like water table of stone or is what
you want to do
and then it just stops in the front yes
and then how does it and they'll leave
that to you how does it get treated
against the siding and by the window
is there a ledge I mean how does that be
a stone cap and then we'd flash it
through that cap
well the stone go to like here yeah is
that what you want to know three foot
off I think just three feet just yeah it
does to the top of the windows
the vertical part doesn't wrap it's
wrapped in effect horizontal
so you're saying that what what's in
this drawing isn't even what you're
proposing at this point
um
spoke about this after I submitted that
originally we were going to do a whole
just forward and Baton
but we weren't sure if that was going to
be approved or not but Ford and Baton is
not what's in the drawings what I see in
the drawings is signing
right
foreign
I think when you get into the details of
how this Stone you know when you
actually have it drawn you're going to
find that there's a lot of complications
because the stone stops level with the
siding the stone that you want to add is
going to project out further than that
and so you're not going to be able to
run it you know smooth from the side of
this existing Stone all the way back and
then under
we'll take that siding out and um just
leave the the new stone existing into
there right but it's gonna the new stone
is going to be thicker and so it's going
to it's going to project out further
than even the stone on the side of that
that's existing well the existing is
already the corner so there they go
around it they're veneers they're not
actual stone it's just a veneer corner
so you're talking about a stick on Stone
right
I think we just need to see the drawings
yeah
and then you have uh the existing
Florida room I'll call it has it's a
slab and the slab is over a crawl space
no there's just a slab it's just a slab
so when you have the new addition are
you going to replicate the visible edge
of that slab
that's a complicated detail we'd want to
see that
um
have you ever thought about just taking
the whole thing down and just doing it
new
um it crossed my mind but price wise it
made sense just to leave it and because
this lab is you know the difference
between the slab and your new joists is
never going to be a happy marriage
you know you're going to have movement
that's going to be differential between
the two
um and you know whatever flooring you
have in your new room that's going to be
continuous across right through the
whole thing
you know you're going to have all kinds
of alignment problems um when you build
it I
I had this on my house and we we tore we
tore this off in order you know to build
an addition but
when we took it out it took it it took
like just a couple hours for them to to
demo it and get it out of there and then
you start with
you know you're building a basement
you're digging down for a basement but
you'd have to shore this existing slab
and its foundation in order to get down
there you're going to have to underpin
right it's going to be accomplished the
costs are going in my mind the costs are
less if you actually just rebuilt
because of all the difficulty of trying
to tie in this existing slab
I mean that's just my opinion but
um I see a lot of complications with
trying to tie on into try trying to tie
in a new basement or just this small
area with joists to an existing slab
whose Foundation goes down so far
um and you have two different
foundations that looks like in your
drawing you have a new foundation wall
that's going to be up against this
existing foundation and the the movement
is going to be there's going to be
differential movement you're going to
have you're going to have to take your
joists over the new foundation and
somehow tie into the existing flooring
um
if I was drawing this I would I would
come back and say the time it's going to
take me to draw all these details
that money you could put into new
windows and you know a whole new uh
section you know replacing this old
section with a new one
so
your basement can be twice as big your
basement will be twice you're Excavating
anyway right you're only why not
excavate that whole area and have a
bigger basement area and you know in the
end with all the costs
um
and the difficulty here I just I can't
see this um
being a long-term solution but again
that's my opinion I I until I see the
drawings and how this all ties together
it's hard for me to
are you doing the drawing sir uh we have
our one of our guys working on it okay
the Strasser is there anything you want
to add I was just wondering what why the
decision to add the stone treatment
um you know the wainscoting or whatever
you want to call it water table
um
what was the
driver to that because it's the front of
the house and the the whole front of the
house is the stone so we kind of wanted
to keep that
um
yeah
um
yeah that it's not a bad idea but I I
would say you know you shouldn't be
married to that idea because I think
I'll really well executed
for that and something
with a
um some interesting detail and well
executed might be even more interesting
than the stone I don't know if that's
expensive to do so but you might find
some savings there
not using Stone instead following a path
like the tear down and put your money in
that instead of the Stone
that's my only thought
yeah I think you have a lot of details
to figure out because also with the way
that stone ends and you're going to have
a little bit of siding and then you're
going to try to cut stone in the way the
siding hits the stone all that gets a
little bit messy so I think this board
would encourage you to do details that
can be really durable and clean and so
don't feel like you have to carry the
stone across the front
um it can look like a porch
so and I think at this point your
drawings really are kind of outdated and
you really need a little bit more detail
to them and I I think you'd be better
off to table it and come back to us next
month to get everything kind of
solidified and get it in writing you
have to have it for the building permit
anyway so
um just get it all all of it done and
then start construction all right and I
know Karen will be open to helping you
and talking to you about ideas
I would agree with Bill and I think the
stone
um
I think we might look a little strange I
would rather you put that money into
Maybe
um doing a single room
and and and doing it as one shot as Bill
suggested I think you're going to be
much much out of here with it and it'll
be cheaper especially at the stones
known as the language of a sun porch I
think more like panels would more than
that right if you came to us and and you
said that I'm just going to add on a new
slab and I'm going to extend this with
the same aesthetic even
I I would say fine but you know the
complication of this and the stone it
just
um
I'll tell you a little a brief story
when we were doing our audition over on
Grandin we were trying to find the um
sanitary line that goes to the alley and
we so we the excavators were coming to
do the found you know to dig the
basement and we thought it was going to
be at the corner of the house so he
started digging down
and at the corner of the house where we
thought it was because of the main stack
that's in the basement
and he couldn't find it
and he said well I'm just going to keep
looking for it so he had his backhoe and
he keeps going
and this is an area that we wanted to be
a crawl space
and uh he finally found it it was
actually in the middle of the house in
the basement it went back to the middle
and then out and so it passed our garage
um and he comes to me and he says I've
already excavated happy half of this you
know why are you making this a crawl
space it's only going to cost you a
little bit more to do the extra little
foundation work and make it part of your
basement
so
you're bringing in a backhoe you're
going to be doing a lot of very
difficult I mean It's Tricky for them to
get it back you know get a backhoe and
carve out right next to an existing
foundation in your basement
um and he's he's there anyway he's doing
all that work how much extra time does
it take for them to you know excavate
Out Underneath where you where your
where your slab is now
and then you get that much more room
down there this new doorway that you
want is going to go into a bigger room
that your client can actually use yeah
yeah
so something to think about
you were reusing Windows you can still
do that just
but try to cut costs where you can but
where you spend your money get get real
value for it yeah okay so if you would
like to table this to next month then um
you just need to request that and
we will have a board member
and do we want a table till June 8th
okay
I believe we table this application
until the June 8th meeting did you
request it is that okay yeah sorry
I'll second that
Kathy can you call the roll
um Mr Hellman yes Mr Strasser yes Mr
hired yes Madam Tony yes okay thank you
so we will see you back here next month
thanks very much and good luck with the
baby
congratulations
let's see a girl I see a little pieces
okay uh next application number bzap
23-11 the address is 2444 Bexley Park
the applicant is Valerie Palace the
owner is Casey king and the applicant is
Seeking a recommendation to the board of
zoning and planning for architecture
review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness to replace the attached
garage with a second floor Edition and
new front copper awning
bye uh Karen you want to give us a
little sure overview and I'm gonna let
um I don't know if you want to talk
about it either Kathy but this is a
really interesting project
um Valerie is taking down what is
arguably and not very great one-story
garage
and wants to replace it with the
two-story garage attached garage
attached garage is it one that's their
attachers correct it is attached that's
what I thought so it is already attached
um but the one that's going to replace
it is going to be two-story
um
have to find the drawings to pull them
up but um
one second
the the trade-off for this I think is
great in that
um
all of that concrete driveway will be
gone
Valerie wants what they want to do is
move the apron to the garage to the
alley which I'll let you walk through
that
um
and
and that will make a ton of green space
in this in this house so what we're
asked what we are asking you guys to do
as a recommendation to the board of
zoning and planning it will need a
variance
um and if it is approved is the
architecture okay and what's it getting
a variance board
um this set the rear step back how about
if I swear you in yeah please state your
name Valerie Heather you saw my swear
from the testimony you're about to give
this evening is the truth
so the existing attached garage
encroaches on the side yard setback so
she's
here well the way the slots planted is
technically the side so the new garage
that they're adding is encroaching on
the rear yard setback which is a greater
setback
but it's positions the structure in a
better place on the overall lot do you
want the plans flip up or what would you
like to reference as you're kind of
walking us through
um
start with the State fan and I can kind
of just do an overview and let me just
kind of go through it that'd be great
tell me which page this side there we go
so you can um this is kind of like an
aerial view and I chose to
to illustrate this as you can see this
heavy put it a lot
um there's lots of trees
um
and unfortunately since there's so many
trees they don't really have any yard
space So currently there's about a
thousand square feet of driveway so
we're shifting that to just be an apron
in front of the garage having so then
they'll be accessing the garage directly
from the alley
apparently the driveway you enter an
approach from the alley but um so then
they can actually have a yard space
um
so we have
um a three-part garage
um
so there's essentially uh a
mother-in-law has moved in with them so
they need more car space and
um the Second Story will function as an
office space for the husband since he
will be overruled by three women in the
house now
seriously I need my own space
um
and
um so we've created a Stairway that's
enclosed and fire rated so then that
stair almost becomes part of the house
square footage
from a resale perspective
um and then you can see that on the
second floor
we have provided
with the second floor Edition
um
it's a closet on the second floor but in
the future that could be turned into a
hall to enter the addition above the
brush
potato one
floor plans
so we
've
um you know it's going to be a
continuation of the stucco and the
detailing on the front Corners the coins
on the back
um and we've tried to
um
you know emulate the articulation of the
um if you can see the existing uh
Windows there's about every type of
window and every type of trim on this
house so we we have tried to
um
match the windows that are facing the
street
um this Cassidy
um and those existing Windows trims are
wood but we're going to be having a
cement board for um longevity
um and then on the front of the home
um as you can see there's no protection
when they get packages so we're
proposing to put a copper awning on the
front with wrought iron brackets
just Illustrated on the elevations
um you can see there's like an existing
pergola that's kind of attached to the
house and that's decaying and since
there is so many trees it really blocks
a lot of light
um so they want that removed so then
they can use that as more of like a
patio space and just have like an
umbrella
in that location
okay all right is there a board member
that would let's go first
again
I guess a couple of things
the addiction in the back of the house
now we would have never approved so
we're getting questions like that I
think number two
um
would be very positive so those are a
little bit stronger uh I'm going to
presuming and trellis for names
right that's going to be removed it's
currently decaying I can't be replaced
because there are interested in very
situations
uh the other gases but like that's a
little bit of a long facade
facility yeah um so the the you know so
currently their kitchen is in that
location and they don't get a lot of
light so the purpose actually really
helping get more light into that space
um so they're really they're they really
don't want to
let's think
there
doesn't stop a lot of money it's a it's
a very very expense and either it was a
patio plan what's going on at this point
um
for the budget for Cherry purposes as
well it is just going to be a patio
um but um it's all currently like a
brick
um
and that's something that you know we
have also I also brought up with the
client and we've talked about that maybe
being uh down the road Edition since
there's not the financials for that
component right now and they wanted to
just kind of see how they the space was
currently yeah
um
facing the alley
um the trees will be removed
facing the alley
so the yeah people can't see the trees
the existing trees to be removed I will
add when this was first
no and when this was first submitted I
did call Valerie and I pointed out that
that was a lot of trees to be removed
because it's very a lot of vegetation
back there so she actually reduced The
Hardscape bringing that in from from the
corners uh when she resubmitted her
application
and that changed the
the tree demo part and
partially she's there's there are some
that will remain at the corner and then
she's also replacing The Hardscape that
goes out to the corner with grass so I
think it's a trade-off we're having less
Hardscape
the other yard is taken over by this
driveway
I guess my only concern is
there's a certain
but as some kind of detailing that does
something to that insect and that's the
area that brings himself and that's
existing right that that's currently
existing
it's falling apart
correct so that section of the house is
existing that section of the house
that's existing they're removing numbers
just because
and
Mr Meyer we're judges they're next
so are there any other two-story garages
on this alley
um there is a two-story garage
um directly on Cassidy and let me see in
here
all right let's look at the site
so I believe on the corner I'm not on
this alley I don't believe but on the
corner of French wood and
all right I'm trying to remember so the
next Street North Street North
backing up to this alley
there's several
um as you're driving down okay and the
and the coat and the code a lot the
zoning code allows because it's a corner
lot
that that's well because it's uh
attached to the house yeah it it needs
to meet the setback requirements and
height requirements of the principal
structure all right
because
right
just
right now I can imagine the house
well it's okay I mean if there's
precedent for it then that's fine I just
find this elevation to be released
in capacity I believe it's
um on the northeast corner
yeah it's a stucco I believe it also has
um
is that the house with the attached
Greenhouse I love that one
it's really Broken City
and it's it's visible from Brentwood
from Cassidy
it's visible from casting him
so I'm not I'm not really in love with
the massing because the garage
feels to me like it's not uh it's not
subservient to the house as much as I
think it should be I mean
I would real I would have liked to have
seen that the ridge come down and that
maybe you used a dormer on the back side
to help alleviate that you get a shaped
ceiling in that top room it wouldn't
affect
you know the floor space it would just
you know pull that down and because
there's lots of open space on the east
west elevation above the windows
and so it doesn't have any character but
if you pulled that down
um and maybe use the maybe the windows
on above the garage door were part of a
shed Dormer or something it would just
have more character it would be
subservient to the house
um and maybe it may be the peak aligns
with the ex you know the the peak of the
connector or something like that I just
I don't like this thing being so tall
and
um
so prominent in terms of the massing of
the house we I mean I we try to
encourage garages to be subservient and
that's the way most of Bexley is
um so that's one thing that I have the
coins I'm I'm not a fan of the coins
because I think that the reason why they
use them at the front of the house is is
to present itself to the street and so
you have a special detail for the main
block of the house that presents itself
when you put it on the back
it's another level of trying to equate
the garage with the main block of the
house and so that kind of that's what
struck me first and then I looked at the
massing and so the two of those things
combined make it feel like
it's trying to do too much of the same
thing as the main block of the house I
would eliminate the coins I don't think
you need them it's on an alley
and uh there's there is not doing
anything for the hierarchy of you know
the massing for the for the house
um and then the light patterns uh
they're kind of all over the place and I
you know the existing house I don't know
if they're all exactly like that yeah
emulate the repetition from the existing
there if you can if you look at the
existing structure yeah there are
um a variety
know you would never want to see
so um yeah yeah I I see that but you
know a lot of them are they're vertical
they're not there's a couple of them
that are square but I don't see anything
horizontal in terms of the light pattern
right there's a school the west
elevation has those doubled Square
lights
meaning that you know the muttons leave
the glass looking like a square but but
I don't see anything horizontal and in
in the the drawings it looks like there
is
so I would try to regulate that so that
you you're like it's just a matter of
the light pattern it's not the size of
the window it's just the light pattern
to make them all more Unified
um
to keep losing my
sheets here
so those those are really my my main
comments I think the awning out front is
lovely
um
it's just really that that
so much space above those windows and
that that extra height and the coins and
the light patterns those are my those
are my concerns
Mr dresser
I I agree with Mr higher that
the house would
seem more
um in character and integrated if that
was pulled down
and it was clearly a garage or more
clear if that was a accessory or
substructure so I don't have anything
yet
the uh on the west elevation it looks
like the garage Eve or the SEC the
two-story garage Mass
that the eaves don't align but on the
East Elevation they do
is that is that just a cad error
West
um it's the let me look at on the plan
here
it protrudes in a different way from the
there's a slightly different detail as
you can see in the site plan
um yeah
but I guess the question is the
horizontal run of that gutter on the on
the west is is it
it looks like it's tying in at the same
elevation as the back of the house
but when you get to the garage on the
west elevation
your your garage Rafters you know the
structure is bumped up
so they don't align
so that tells me that the connector
actually has like two different Eve
Heights one side to the other is that
okay so they would align
right right now we're planning a scissor
trust so then it's like a vaulted
ceiling within that um
Edition I see but
where that gutter is that you're showing
on that west elevation is actually going
to be level with the gutter that's on
the connector
I'm not sure why that's well the
connector actually sticks out right
compared to the new garage right
on the West Side the connector sticks
out farther
than the new garage I see yeah that's
why yeah I see I see it would come down
further and therefore it it looks like
it's more than what the eve would extend
you know the soffit they still don't
look like they would align properly
I mean even if if they had if they were
in plane
but anyway that's that's sort of moot
you know against the point of trying to
pull that
that Ridge down to get rid of that blank
space above your second floor windows
and you can still shape the space but
instead of using scissor trusses you
could use rafters
and then have a shed Dormer to give it
you know just as much character and
that's in that room upstairs
and then you wouldn't have all that kind
of wasted uh blank space above the
windows and it would look I think it
would look better proportioned for the
house I mean the house has a window up
there on the Gable on that West you know
it definitely takes advantage of
the empty space by having that third
floor but here you don't have a third
floor but it looks like it should so
and the light pattern on the rear
elevation you have a center fixed
picture window and then you have looks
like pairs of casement windows
and the picture window has more muttons
in it than the
then the casements I think you just have
too many horizontal
uh Millions yeah just make them align
with the casements yeah yeah I see that
um
so the one thing that you brought up
though was the getting rid of the coins
and I just get a little bit worried that
the structure feels really boring
without them
I mean I totally agree with lowering the
the roof
to get it in line with the connector
link but I get a little bit worried
because that is such a visual that that
side is so visible from the alley and
street that that corner of the house is
going to feel
unless there's a shed dorm room
and it would have a detail that's a
different more informal kind of detail
than the front of the house yeah exactly
and the size of this garage would be
more it would it would help hold that
stucco on its own with the with the shed
Dormer
I think you're right it needs the detail
on the back but a different kind well
yeah so on the front of the house you
have these other details that kind of go
around the windows what if you just did
that to the back of the house that's a
great idea
because I think that would give it a
more detailed information look yeah
that's nice
particularly well
um and and actually because this is on
the uh he's in the west side of the
street the most visible facade is this
Society the river facade that drives is
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thank you the visual following what's
there now uh you wouldn't do much it was
um this is the view and Google Earth I
mean I can see it it would be lovely I
mean it's
right here
I can see it with the suggestions that
were
and then I have one more question is
there any talk of fixing these giant
picture windows that have no lions in
them
no not right now
okay because it's yeah I know they look
very odd on the elevation and but maybe
no one sees them I don't really see them
because there's a fence there and
um it's facing where they let their dogs
out
so it is um
on the opposite side of the yep yep
current edition so
um delete those are pictures you have a
picture of the existing if you just
scoot down
so um it's like looking onto that west
elevation right here and you can't see
them if you're on this if you're on what
is it Bexley Park if you're on that
street park there is um a fence
um that blocks those
large landscape
um even the Second Story it blocks the
Second Story window not the Second Story
um
okay
so so many windows on this house are
they changing any of this landscape that
I'm that's here right here
um all on Cassidy not at this time okay
so that kind of addresses a view of the
purple eyes and even
yeah right now it's that's why I showed
the aerial there's so much there's so
many trees and they may have had a
variance for that fence maybe that's why
the line yeah a lot of that does come
out as you're doing construction just
because you're yeah making room for
things and all that yeah I haven't I
have a feeling it's probably going to be
more impacted like where we're going to
be removing the trees and not facing
Cassidy
um so I have a question then as um as
we're talking about putting those grid
lines on the back does it make sense to
add any kind of a horizontal grid line
or something on the connector link
to try to break up all the
does that replace the pergola by just
putting up a line in the stuff over
there no I think your idea
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with something or maybe on my blog maybe
isn't interested maybe in the middle
abuse but something that
um because I I do think this house
already has a
plane
because it's all it's not over it's all
so I think the longer and taller I guess
that doesn't suggest we take medium away
this is Manning well in in her drawing
in the west elevation it looks like that
belt course stops at the chimney and
then there's a thinner band behind that
is that is that the case Valerie
on the west elevation
the belt course that is you know between
this first and second floor it's it's
the thicker one um yeah there is one
right now and does it stops at the
chimney and then what happens behind
that so there is just like a
it's like just um
I think it's on one of the existing
um so really it's it works like the
coins I mean it's just to accentuate the
front and and the return the front
returns of the house
oh yes you can you can see on the west
elevation you can see um
there's like an attachment if you can
see um oh that photo yep
thank you for the um
there you go oh yeah
Jimmy
and then if we're gonna touch
base right there
it doesn't serve any purpose yeah
well you notice the belt course doesn't
return on the other side of the house it
just stops at the coins yeah
so I don't know that it has to be that
particular detail but you know be nice
to add some horizontal feature that
between the first and second floor but
I think you're just doing a simpler or
not as
not as elaborate version of something
that will articulate the back facade
um
on the garage I don't know that it
necessarily needs to wrap because you've
got this shed roof on one side and
um the other side on both sides
right so there's some there's something
that's blocking the way of where this
horizontal band would be on the side
elevations I would just concentrate on
the Alley you know on the on on that
facade for the articulation
and then there's going to be is where
it's going to then
um like roof like
because I just had to reduce the massing
horizontally
um
so I think that could cause problems to
try to rattle
I think there's probably enough that
yeah needs to come back here
yeah are you okay with that one table
that's all next month and they give you
a chance to yeah
that meeting in June 8th
thank you
yeah I think it's a great great
discussion
okay so I heard you request to be table
to June 8th is there a board member that
will make a motion
um
and she could still does she still go
forward to the zoning board first this
is a bzap application yeah
haven't we done this in the past where
if she makes these tweaks and takes that
to the you could give it up and then
then it comes back to us but if they may
already receive like the site masking to
change
so it would be uh article that would be
a recommendation subject to returning to
every man background because we're
lowering the roof line the fact that
you're approaching into that setback
it's better not worse so it would be my
recommendation that at least you'd
change the massing before bzat because I
think you'll have a better chance of
getting the variance if you show The
Roots lowered yeah I will yeah great
right okay so we'll be tabled until next
month but in between she can move
forward and go to feedstep with the man
back on the final design to the ARB yes
okay
two weeks
okay is there a board member that will
make a motion so moved this roster
second
Mr Hellman second
I'm Kathy can call Miss strawser yes
Mr hire could could we have the finding
of fact do we do finding of facts or no
I'll go ahead and read
the findings of back in decision of the
board for application number
bzap-23-11 for property located at 2444
Bexley Park
the architecture review board
recommends that the proposed
improvements which includes a new
attached garage with second floor space
moved to the board of zoning and
planning with a final for zoning review
with a reman back to the architecture
review board for a certificate of
appropriateness
of that we're asking to lower the roof
line to the connect height of the
connector link and that word is that I
have them all written down we don't
usually what's that spell it out
recommendation right coming back we just
per to address
recommendations discussed at the correct
May 11th meeting right all right and
should you know Valerie might come back
with some other ideas in the meantime
it's just it's a second review here
is there a board member to make a motion
remake the motion yes yes sir
second
I'll call the roll Miss trouser yes Mr
hired yes Mr Hellman yes yes
hey good luck with this app and we'll
see you back in a month thank you
uh okay our last application for the
evening is
bizap23-13 the address is 505 North
Stanberry the applicant is Gary
Alexander the owner is Jonathan and
Elaine Brandt
the applicant is Seeking a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for Architectural Review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for in addition to the
front of the house in addition to the
rare and a new front porch
get these up here first this time
and this is always also a recommendation
yeah this is also a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning
um and I'm gonna really like Gary
talkatively through this
um we talked a little bit today
um basically it's a very
clean house and on house on the street
that has a lot of simple facades and um
my discussion with Gary today and I'm
interested to hear you talk it through
is the
um how much it is dressed up in the
front and
um
I'm going to give it to you to walk
through yourself
please state your name Gary Alexander do
you solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony you're about to give this
evening is the truth I do
the Project's made of three pieces as
Karen said uh there's an addition at the
back that Edition is replacing uh
sunroof that's currently there it's now
designed so the space can be integrated
with the rest of the house there is an
addition on the front and and that
houses a bedroom and an office below the
addition on the front is designed to
come out the same just distance that the
house currently projects into the
setback that's
1.27 feet so it's not a particular day
objection but that's requiring the
variance the last piece is the front
porch and there are a number of houses
on this street that have front porches
um
there's a variety of styles and sort of
qualities to the other front porches and
we are intentionally trying to dress up
the
the front of this house with the porch
we're trying to create both the social
space
um that can animate the street but also
dress up the front of the house so
that's a view of the back of the house
those are images of the proposed so
that's you see the addition in the back
it's just going to match the siding it's
an it's painted aluminum siding on the
majority of the house so
um for
project budget reasons we're going to
use that material in some areas we're
going to salvage a little bit of that
material
um so the back will just blend
completely with the house the addition
on the front
we've dressed up the trims it's a
Windows on the front a little bit so
um it's not just
you know an aluminum surround the
windows so uh you know that's and that's
an existing photo of the front
anything else
so okay is there a board member that
would like to go first
sure
it's great Gary
I I think it's uh
it's it's a it's a nice sort of
uplifting of this Ranch
um
I'm looking at your details they don't
my only suggestion is that the raking
SEMA molding or the OG be more vertical
and not you know stick out at an angle
like you know but have it more vertical
because I think everything else on the
details the raking Corona and the the
whole entablature they're all very you
know it's all planes so yeah if that OG
uh was just more vertical it would it
would help I think it's also very small
which I don't have an issue with but I
think it's kind of leans out too far
that's all and then my other my question
is why not a window in on the the new
side they didn't want a window there
instead of uh because it's just siding
in your in your drawing yeah
I'm and we're looking at bad location
and that that was part of it I I would
agree with you that the um
the elevation might be improved if there
was a window on that side but the room's
not real big so I think we were looking
at that as a bed wall too much window
well the Portico really makes up for you
know the solidity of that return or that
you know the plainness there I the
street presence of this is going to be
incredible
um
Karen do you know what I'm talking about
with the the OG molding at the at the
top just
um
those are my only comments
um
against the existing
structure is violence
no it's it's
good
in the house you can also evaluate with
us to take them down
is important it's probably not real bad
um so I guess you have to look at that
game and that's there uh I am concerned
about the absence of women divided that
that corner is going to be a uh
um especially after expecting this has
been plenty on the front that God had
one relatively inexpensive group that I
would even take the window that you have
the use of that one day
um because you won't be using it there
foreign
we've had a couple of things to wear
they were a design challenge to
make them attractive on the street and I
think this is
well on the window thing I'm not sure
I'm not too worried about it only
because when I look at the other
elevation it's about the same amount of
um openings and and proportionally it
seems similar
um but it almost feels strange to me if
we pop a window on that one elevation
and we don't have anything on the other
feels I mean obviously you can't see
them at the same time but I'm not
worried about it
it's a pretty small space anyway it's
not like it's a 80-foot stretch of
siding and and to address that variance
the average setback is 41.77 which
that's pretty deep compared to most
blocks and this house is setting at 40.5
so the addition
just to make it at the same setback as
the existing structure the enclosed
living space that's what's requiring the
variance then code would allow you to
encroach 10 feet with an open porch
okay it's something already approaching
so you solved
he's encroaching at the same setback as
the existing other half of the front
facade and the relative distance to the
neighboring house I mean they're pretty
tight on on the street so I don't know
how much you're really going to see that
elevation
especially if there's you know
decorative you know ornamental trees and
shrubs yeah yeah that's a good point
that's the driveways yeah oh right the
driveway's there now well this is
helpful look at that yeah
anything else no oh oh I answered one
question what's the material around the
windows on the front of the house the
the trim the trim there there's a crown
there's a profiled crown but we called
out a Boral trim around there
um so it's a it's a synthetic wood
material thank you like Azek or
something like that yeah
and there's nothing on the drawings but
some side lights windows or uh not sorry
light fixtures what's the
uh or we'd inspect by those we have them
on the electrical plan we did not
specify if you want us to
submit that I think that's a detail
you'd probably work out with Karen
because it's in front of the other house
so you said there's a profiled crown
going uh on top of the window surrounds
or is it just a flat board
sure it's it's in it's in the drawings
we submitted but I know we submitted a
lot
um yeah I'll show you the detail
there's a SketchUp model it looks like
it's just a yeah
oh yeah just an OG yeah
your SketchUp also doesn't have a an
apron under this under the window sills
um
and right and not have a another board
underneath the Sill
okay
here's one
so there's the world okay great
yeah that looks great
so when I originally looked at this I
thought it all of the stuff that you're
doing to the front seemed a little heavy
for the scale of the house
um and I realized that when in the
drawings because you draw all the lines
in black on those white columns they
really don't end up being that heavy in
real life because it's just you know
shade and Shadow and stuff that creates
those but
um I'm a I'm still a little concerned
that it feels really heavy for such a
simple house
um and then the other thing about it is
because you've made it so symmetrical
but then you didn't make the windows on
the front symmetrical that kind of
bothers me a little bit was there any
talk of making those the same size
windows well the challenge is the
kitchen's on one side so you have the
counter height on the other side and the
bedroom needs a window to meet the
egress requirement so
um there you go so that's why and and I
kind of like the asymmetry there because
it I just felt like it would be
overwhelming if it was so symmetrical
everything would I just I just I just
kind of like that the chimneys off
center a little bit so that you know we
we can't Center the chimney so
um but you're it's it's very formal I
mean that that's so and I think that
formality impacts the appearance of it
but that was intentionally done
there's there's certainly you know it is
very Monumental but when you look at the
size of the porch and then you look at
the size of the mass of the house
to me they they kind of balance each
other you know it may it may look very
formal and Monumental from the street
but when you actually get this view like
the The View that shows
um
from the side where you're looking up
the driveway you really you can you can
sense more of that massing balance
um in the SketchUp model that SketchUp
model view but
and then the only other comment I had
was on um just a recommendation to put
something over that back patio door if
they're coming and going out of there
then you've got no cover
so
um I didn't know if they had considered
that but we have a lot of people that we
recommend if that's your door you're
coming out in and out of all the time
it's very nice to have something over
and that would give you a little bit of
detail on the back
that's just a recommendation
I feel like it should be in the South
you know if it's cool it I feel like it
should be in uh in Alabama or something
I didn't like it bro
all right is there anything else one
last does the siding go to the ground
it's there's exposed no it does not go
go okay
so the
eye what's pointing to I up on that
drawing it's to our right that's the
transition from the exposed Foundation
to the site so there's about uh six
inches of exposed Foundation oh and all
all perimeter of the house the whole
house
sorry
and is that what's the height of the
um vertical height of the front patio
it's it's two risers up so it's about a
foot okay
so that line kind of continues around it
it does it won't be a perfect match
better that that'll I think helps
support you a little bit just makes it
more part of the house ties it together
better
is there anything else
the um I'm looking at the roof plan Gary
and I see you have two sort of flat roof
because of the new massing and that's
just a membrane that's like a rubber
membrane yeah
um
and then it's just the dimensional
shingle on this over this Portico yes it
is yeah same color as what's existing or
redoing the whole roof they're going to
redo the whole roof so but it would all
match it would all be the same
so is the SketchUp model showing kind of
the colors that you're you're looking at
for well I think they're going to keep
the house blue
and then the roof is just uh we haven't
chose a new color yet we can we can
bring that back to Karen yeah
so with that nice tall window on the
left of the front facade it's a great
place for a little porch swing
it won't hit the window
okay is there anything else
we need findings of packs
and are we adding conditions
from the discussion I don't think so
just whether you do the window or not so
I guess that's the only question well I
think Gary is amenable to you know the
little detail I talked about and and
those are items that Karen and Karen
yeah okay
so the Phoenix effect and decision of
the board for application number
bzap-23-13 for property located at 505
North Stanberry the architecture review
board
Finds Its proposed additions to the
front and rear of the house and the open
front porch Edition are architecture
compatible with the existing structure
and further moves to recommended the bza
for approval of a certificate
appropriateness with modifications
identified
uh
by the board and to be shared by the
staff consultant
foreign
I'm assuming the two conditions or not
conditions but recommendations are the
trim change Mr hire mentioned details is
the window in or out right
I don't feel it's what I don't think
there's agreement on this board that it
needs to be
this is suggestion yeah but we'd
appreciate you to consider it and
see if that would enhance
you think it's needed
I would like the more windows is better
yes right I would like it
and I will certainly I think one of the
do we help your causes we recommend it
uh I don't think you have I think the
the okay we'll get it so we are talking
about that same bedroom where you have
that
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do we have a motion
is there a board member that will make a
market
second from straussian
all right I will call the roll Mr hire
yes Miss dosser yes Mr Hellman yes Madam
Tony yes
thank you all thank you
you saved the day tonight Larry thanks
for coming
thank you
they never are they still never this is
yeah this is great we still defer to