it was
um
we're like Bobby Halls having Tech
issues
it's actually yeah
are you
are we ready my phone says it's six
o'clock I said six row one but yeah
that's the signs
all right are you ready
we will call to order the April 12 2023
Bexley Architectural Review board
meeting
and we will start with
follow the rules
this drosser
okay
here Mr Scott here Mr hired here
here
yes it is the 13th sorry about that I
think I've written the staff report on
the 12th so I apologize
okay uh we will have approval of minutes
did everyone get a chance to read the
minutes and do you have any updates
I do not
okay will someone make a motion to
approve the news
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second Scott
Ser yes Mr Scott yes Mr higher yes and
yes
um okay so this is the part of the
meeting that you can come and speak to
the board about something that's not on
the agenda tonight so if you're here
about something that's not on the agenda
I would like to come forward
um please raise your hand
and seeing no one the next item then
will be uh
we want to be concerned right okay we
will um we're going to approve three of
the applications that we put on a
consent agenda these have all been
reviewed by the board members and they
have made slight changes in order to get
approval
the first one is application number ARB
22-58 the address is 21 South Parkview
the second is application number
arv23-8 the address is 246 Ashbourne
place and the last one is application
ARB
23-9 the address is 2471 Brighton is
there anyone in the audience that would
like to speak about any of those three
applications
seeing none is there a board member that
will make a motion to approve those
three applications
before you do that I have one question I
think I may need to abstain from the
Brighton Road application
as a neighbor as
is there any I don't need anything okay
great thanks
so moved
second straw sir
foreign
yes
yes yes
okay that takes us to Old business and
the first item of old business is
application number ARB 22-53 the address
is 2010 East Broad Street the applicant
is Brett bullied the owner is the
Catholic Diocese of Columbus the
application was approved for conceptual
design at our last meeting in March uh
with the condition that the applicant
returned to the Architectural Review
Board with design details thank you for
returning happy to be here
we did this where are you in
this house absolutely
do you want to show us walk us through
some of the other day absolutely and I
also want to say I really wish you'd
given us that extra day because my taxes
aren't done yet which it was the 12th
and not the 13th
yeah it's good that's good so
uh Karen are you bringing up the that
the stuff
why don't we start with the last month's
um information the the overall site plan
uh just to reacclimate everybody the the
blown the enlarged Plaza site plan as
well
I happen to print out
copies so we can do that as well to help
sure
I'll share
one more
well why she brings that up uh there's
three items in in here just wanted to
briefly review just to kind of
reacclimate everybody on what went
through last time uh I'm actually going
to do them in reverse order in the
packet the first item is the overall
site plan to help reorient everybody uh
this is the main original School
building the Walter Commons the theater
building is here this is the convocation
center that is currently under
construction Natatorium multi-purpose
building back here and then this is
where the Learning Resource Center will
be oriented and then this is the the new
Plaza that is uh in the in the design
process
the second drawing in there is the
enlarged
um closet drawn I do want to note that
this has been submitted as one of the
conditions was to um the tree and guard
commission we got that in here yesterday
or today I can't recall so that's been
submitted as as was required and the
piece in question if we all remember is
this entrance piece here with the two
Colonnades that are not at the same
height are lining up
and then the last piece that's in the
packet before
um as Karen's getting the other
information up is uh this was the
revised rendering that we had we had
submitted kind of last minute but handed
out last time to show more of a design
intent uh of the direction we were going
there was a preferred option that was
the more All Glass version and it was
the feeling of the commission and board
uh that this was more appropriate and so
this is the version that we have started
to provide and design details
that was perfect this I think Aaron just
got up the new drugs
so these are slightly oriented a little
different so North would be to the right
on this drawing
um you can see one of the main comments
uh that we had received was we had kind
of that initially that uh
little pimple vestibule I'll call it um
we have integrated the vestibule into
the design and so you would go through
that double door and it will lead then
directly diagonally if you follow that
diagonal into the new Learning Resource
Center you will see there is a go back
real quick sorry Karen
um plan North and to the north of the
new entry on the right side I'm sorry is
then the colonnade associated with the
convocation center and those double
doors that go out to the left of the
plan uh are the the existing Colonnade
there were a lot of questions about the
roof plan so we wanted to make sure we
included a roof plan here to help
demonstrate how this is working so uh
you can see the roof of the colonnade uh
on the convocation center and the roof
of the other two Colonnades we have
created a 45 degree kind of turn to
provide a better
um flashing transition for how that roof
will those Colonnade roofs will
transition into the the new gable roof
over top of the new entrance everything
behind that that is just white would be
flat roof areas uh behind uh behind the
Colonnades and behind the new entrance
it would be all tile roofs on the on on
both the um uh the new entrance and
Colonnades
okay next next page please
so we provided um kind of an overall
elevation on the right there so you can
see one of the comments that we know was
brought up was he really wanted to see
where the exact types of those those
colonies were falling so those are
showing at the correct types uh we'll
want to make sure there was some
comments about whether or not it was
accurate in the rendering so again
showing that on the top right there and
pure elevation and then uh elevations
looking towards uh the Walter common on
the far bottom left and towards the new
Convocation Center on the right and how
this new entrance fits into that as well
as kind of a a grade level perspective
looking directly at the new entrance
and then we provided some details on the
next sheet
and so the intent uh of the is to uh
mimic the new entrance on the
convocation center which was mimicking
with some changes the entrance on the
front of the building
um you can see we would have that um
that brickwork at the very top of the
Gable along with that Limestone piece uh
I I'd urge you to actually go out to see
and see that at the site I was actually
just looking at it today it's looking
quite nice uh we will have some kind of
emblem underneath that uh with the
rolock around uh the The Colonnade or
I'm sorry the arch and then the same
little
um Limestone piece at the spring point
of the arch uh along the way and then
there would be the step flashing the we
reference the detail of what's being
installed right now actually that is
still they're still installing the
through wall flashing there but then
there will be step flashing which is
typical for for Mason reconstruction we
also included the the section at the
bottom there to kind of show that's the
new entrance kind of sitting behind one
of the things we have to do because the
current uh fire stair from the back side
of the Walter Commons actually exits
directly into that tunnel that is
exterior space uh you need we need to
integrate that fire stairs apparently
maybe if you actually go back to the
first page
point that out
and so you can see that stair on the
bottom of the plan is actually that
stair coming out of that fire stair so
that I will that will now directly exit
through the exterior
and so those are the details as we
propose them maybe go real quick back to
the next page
and we'll note it's not noted there but
if you look at the the pictures on the
next page of the of the original
Colonnade entrance there's a little
Limestone band at the very base of the
Colonnades those are being included both
at the convocation center and on this
um so we're incorporating that little
detail as well
that's that's the the details in a
nutshell welcome any comments or
questions
thank you
you're a board member that would like to
go first
I will
thank you thank you Brent for the
presentation
um the rendering I'm trying to
understand
and I know this may have been reviewed
last time but the brick in the rendering
that is shown parallel with the uh
science new science wing
is that projected from the face of the
science wing
and what is what is that that is the
current
um
gymnasium wall that is being built on
top oh you're building on top of that
correct and I noticed that there's glass
there now in the science Wing whereas
the review that where we saw the science
building had that open correct that has
been closed I'm going to review that
last time okay as well yeah
so I'm a glass across there now
so I don't know if Karen has that we
have elevations of those bill if you
need to look at those two last time as
well well I I think it's uh an
improvement yes very nice
the details shown in the rendering I
assume the white details will be brick
so at The Gables
the details you just showed us were
brick with a limestone cap but the
rendering looks
looks like it's just all white
Limestone or white aluminum or correct
the intent the intent is to go with the
brick details to match okay what's being
built on the on the convocation and I
assume the the any metal
soffits and you know gutter lines will
be the green correct okay correct just
wanted to get clarification absolutely
that's all I have
said I don't have any questions
that's excited
so the brick details of the Gable and
the brick dentals is matching what's
being currently built correct there's
the reference Arch that of the existing
um is actually quite different but if
it's matching if what you're proposing
it was yeah it was yeah yes I'm sorry
well no is it so if you're proposing
matching other details that you
currently are building then it makes
sense to match that so uh other than
what's already been said yeah I don't
have anything else I think it's great
great
nice progress
I don't have anything additional um I
appreciate you showing us all the
details and stuff that looks good right
so would you like us to put it to a vote
I sure would are you sure I don't know
would you like me
yes please finally put back incision of
the board for application Army 2253 for
the property located at 2 2010 East
Broad Ward finds that thinking because I
mean a lot of situations so that's why
are compatible with an existing
structure
um
noting that the soft drinks and gutters
are to match the existing and first
details and dental their office
cover it of the convocation center
yeah
do you understand yeah do you understand
the findings the facts
um is there a board member that would
like to make Dimensions audience oh is
there anyone in the audience that would
like to speak about this application
before we put it to a vote
saying nothing
so moved
second strausser
yeah okay
Mr higher yes Mr Stratford yes this is
that yes yes thank you all so much thank
you so much
we'll miss a few minutes
I was just uh son now like a half hour
ago I just left a meeting with Matt so
going through the whole family
okay
um
moving on to new business uh our next
application is uh visap number 23-8 the
address is 2691 East Main Street the
applicant is Sarah Montague the owner is
Matt Davis the applicant is Seeking a
recommendation to the board of zoning
and planning for Architectural Review
and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a two-story addition
to the front facade and building and
site modifications
is the applicant present
okay seeing that the applicant is not
present we're going to push them to the
back of the agenda and see if they show
up later is that okay is everybody okay
with that yeah
not a deal
sorry Jason
um
right I mean this is not going to be
that much longer so they have probably
20 minutes together okay uh we're going
to move on to the next application
number ARB 22-70 The Address is 165
North Columbia the applicant is the city
of Bexley the owner is the city of
Bexley and the applicant is seeking
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for
Arbors and Hardscape along Commonwealth
Park Plaza
sir
Brian are you speaking about this one
yes you want to come forward we'll swear
you in and
you have some background that you want
to give or I I don't have much
background I'm just going to give it
over by the first let me I'll throw you
in
I do
great thank you
it is a continuation of the
um
the project that we've been seeing yes
we have seen your little buildings
before but um so do you want to walk us
through just a presentation on this
project yeah and actually I thought I
was not going to be the presenter today
so I'm not sure what's in the deck so if
you wouldn't mind just Cruise Line okay
um
yeah so so some do you have background
or is this sort of first first bite at
seeing it this is our first bite of
seeing this change to the street we've
seen your little building yeah and
approved to move forward awesome so this
is probably a good place to sort of
begin just to kind of share the context
but um mksk has been retained to take
the master planning really to the next
level so this is really focusing on this
Central Plaza piece and some of the
studies uh that they've been done
initially in the original master plan
there was there were two uh pergola
buildings that were really kind of on
the east and west side of this Plaza
area and really what you know through
the course of a few meetings and
um kind of just strategy planning we've
really kind of
tame the scale of those to really end up
with this notion of
um kind of an internal just back to that
um bounced back to that last slide thank
you Karen are you are you navigating the
are you thank you let me know okay
um but so so really the you know when
you look at that Central Plaza which I
know will be in a blow up as we look at
it further on they're really sort of you
know four smaller Pavilions that keep an
open relationship across that new Plaza
space
and uh it really it's really an
embellishment of taking the transition
from uh you know you know from
Commonwealth South to Commonwealth north
um with the Improvement of the
streetscape with brick uh with brick
pavers and then really this you know
kind of granite field in in the very
sort of middle piece that whole middle
area actually is a raised plinth where
the you know we basically allow the the
the roads are coming up to meet that at
a level transition so you know imagine
some good traffic calming that occurs
with that as well as uh setting up for
you know events and potentially the
closure of the streets to uh you know
for events and uh and so forth but yeah
if Karen if you just want to kind of
cruise through the the deck
um
obviously existing conditions here you
start to see some of the transitions
with you know really trying to I think
you know the detailing has been
very deliberate to try to you know
maintain the Bexley
um vocabulary right and you know so
keeping brick the sloped brick curbs
um transition areas where signage that
would announce the plaza really kind of
happening at both sort of the North and
the South ends of the tips of those
islands uh you can see parking Bays that
are you know really sort of living in a
in a brick uh in a brick field and then
currently we're really looking at some
of the pricing options with regard to
Granite curbs or brick curbs once we
sort of are inside that
um pedestrian Zone
this is where you kind of see a little
bit more embellishment of sort of that
Central carpet
um that you know we're seeing Bollard
sort of those two light lines that are
following the road systems are
um bollards with chains uh to kind of
keep a nice openness but to also uh
accentuate the right locations for
pedestrian Crossing
um you know through them and then here
you sort of see the four Pavilions two
on each side
um that are partly enclosed and partly
open as light garden trellis features
um yeah maybe next slide Karen thank you
Gonna Keep rolling
this is where mksk should be speaking to
the great landscape components
Gonna Keep keep rolling through the
package and I mean bounce back to
anything you want to land on
and so these are the these are the
buildings that actually are you know
were approved pre previously and are
going out to bid currently
with sort of with the integrated Island
Transitions and new roadway
relationships here you sort of it's a
this is a good slide to kind of see that
depiction of the kind of uh curb
disappearing to nothing in order to kind
of Reach This elevated
Crossing
not a flattering view of The Pavilions
but you know you kind of you start to
see the the notion of being able to set
up these with some transparency so that
the connection of the eastern part of
the park with the western part of the
park are not obstructed
um and we I think we've been
successful in keeping these to be a more
delicate
um you know kind of setting upon the
park versus what was in the original
master plan
I know you don't know a lot about the
Landscaping but are some of the old
trees being kept or is it all being new
yeah it's a that's a great question I
think um maybe Karen if you bounce back
to the um there there is a kind of
overall
site plan the existing Street trees do
and maybe that's a good one to land on
the existing Street trees are being
removed and being replaced with with new
ones uh the I think and I'll probably
get this wrong but I think they're about
eight to ten existing trees within the
park that are affected by you know the
the moves with the roadway and so forth
um
yeah but but I think like for like and
kind of the intensity of the the
plantings that are being
um brought back Suzanne is you know a
lot you know a lot deeper and
potentially better material
some some of the trees that are actually
being taken out are in Decline
the coordinates have had the packet so
if you have any questions and you want
directly into a certain slides I think
really the tree purple guard information
obviously will be reviewing as soon
right yeah
photos
thank you
all right is the um is the Limestone
coursing for the
the pergola buildings is that
like what we see at the entry to Bexley
the little the little uh stanchions at
the entry to the city is it that kind of
limestone and that actually what we it's
a that's a great it's a great question
we currently have spect is um is a stone
mixture that we actually kind of
recovered from older quarries that we
used on
um
the Parkview house or the Olsens
um and have sources for that stone that
was a little that kind of predated the
quarries that are
um so to to be clear that's more of a
you know turn of the last century
quarried stone that were like the North
Shore Stone it has North it's a little
Browner and Tanner
um and and that's really the Spectrum
we've sort of been looking at for both
The Pavilions at the South as well as as
well as these new pergolas is the um is
the rustication on it a little more
vertical or is it is it deeper or yeah I
would I would say that you know probably
this CAD drawing doesn't do the forcing
Justice well that's why yeah yeah so my
the reason why I bring it up is because
I know that on a several of those little
stanchions or
um ears that they had to redo the stone
um a couple of times because the Masons
didn't lay the coursing you know
horizontally or they had trouble with
the the stone that some of the joints
were were either too thin or too thick
and I assume you have great control over
that we we want to have strong control
over it but the um the Olsen resident
which is the project that's two doors
north of Jeffrey Mansion
um the spec that we're using for this
Stone as well as the mortar as well as
the cut stone which is more of like a
McDermott Sandstone
um would really be replicating kind of
that that old find what's the is it a
butter joint
um it is yeah but it but it had it's
buttered but it is struck
um you know especially kind of on the
the undersides of the upper or a little
you know just to kind of get that you
know a little bit more Shadow line but
still largely buttered is it a buff
color it is
got it and I guess the other question I
have just in general is
and maybe this had been reviewed well
actually two questions it looks like
you're using the central Bexley
um
sloped brick curb on one side where the
cars will be parked but then you switch
to the Granite for the median I assume
because you need a hard vertical at that
point or
that's easier to maintain literally the
mayor and I were just having this
conversation about wouldn't it be better
if it matched and so I think I think
we're hoping that it moves towards it
matching to The Brick yeah yeah on both
sides yes beautiful yeah
the granite just looks very Downtown
Columbus yeah exactly and it's
interesting a lot of I think the
Architects you know we and the mayor and
Elena have really sort of been shaping I
mean mksk does great great work but they
bring with it a certain certain
institutional character to it and I
think really really strong push to keep
the beat the Bexley DNA
um in it so it doesn't have that you
know
Central business district you know of
Columbus feel right which is not a bad
look it's just not Bexley exactly right
yeah and then the other general question
because there is no dumb question right
is why why the medians with the uh with
the smaller trees I know it's a lower
canopy
and it's kind of like what we've done on
Main Street is that the is that the
tie-in or it's it's a great it's it's a
that's a great question yeah what what
are you what would your thoughts be
well I mean just because it's a single
Lane and the parks on either side are
older growth larger trees I just wonder
if the median's gonna look out of place
with those smaller canopy trees to me it
just reminds me of Main Street but I
feel the same way you do so a
recommendation to reconsider that would
be awesome
um well I know I know I know someone
here at City Hall is really likes the
medians but I mean in this location
I don't know I
I don't have any thoughts on what you
would do with that space otherwise but
um you know because if you don't have
them then cars are going to be tempted
to oh there was a spot back there I'm
just going to whip around and
you know right here do a U-turn or a
three-point turn in the middle of the of
the Brick Street and then and I I
personally tend to think that you know
larger deciduous you know shade trees
within medians are amazing right in the
multi-stem
um you know soft veiled you know piece
here that gets some up white I think
feels
um a little more domestic relin it feels
Park like to me so I think that would be
a good
good thing to take to the team and and
get some constructive input but don't
don't you have to think about the long
term and when the larger tree gets
bigger and then you've got all the root
pull on those like that yeah that's not
a very big space and then you're gonna
have the the Brick buckling and Roots
damaging the
the median so I can understand why
they're thinking a small tree makes more
sense I guess I'm just wondering why a
tree at all I agree
I mean why can't we do Shrubbery like
like you know when you when you get to
the Drexel and and Broad intersection
it's beautiful the way that the flowers
are all tiered and the Shrubbery you
know is a backdrop to it beautifully
tiered like an English garden 100 and if
you did something like that here I mean
I think it would be first of all it's
safer because people are going to be
crossing over not everybody's going to
use this beautiful Central Crossing
they're going to get out of their car
and be like oh we have to go over here
to the to the west side but they're
parked on the east side but somebody
might be coming and this was my concern
about the medians on Main Street is
people will go and cross they'll jaywalk
and they're going to be in between trees
and then they're gonna jump out and
that's how I've seen that happen not a
lot so my fears were not
um realized you know to the extent I
thought they would be but in any case
I think it would be a beautiful way to
like in German Village you know at
Schiller Park you have that one brick
walkway
from I walked it today yeah yeah and and
it's just lined with flowers you got the
statue and then you have all those
flowers that lead you up that brick walk
that would be a beautiful way to express
this la
again and why compete with those big
established beautiful trees or some
little
unimpressive truths no nobody's in doubt
that Bexley loves trees and we didn't
have them there you know it's just going
to accentuate the beauty of the trees
that are going to be either side of the
parking you know on either side of this
so that was that's one of my comments
where does that go from here does it go
to tree and garden yeah I'm trying to
trying to invite and put that into the
I'm just trying to figure out how to put
it into the facts of violence
or if I do and request that the garden
commission reconsider the plan and
eliminate the trees yeah in the median I
think that
yeah and I think with your description I
totally for what you're describing and
we have some resources I can pull yeah
just with the team I'll pull together
what I hear you describing with some
visual support just so that it's clear
what what you're I think it could be
amazing you know it's I think the
reductionist aspect of the critique
could could be much stronger it just
feels Urban
and right now
it's good and and this isn't an urban
setting it's it's a park setting
for practical purposes you could have
people crossing through that yeah all
the time so you I don't know if you make
intentional places for people to cross
through or well I think that's that's
kind of in the my comment I think they
are right the little the Ballers and the
chains yes my production would be is you
know the plan signage and I'm saying no
I'm talking about someone who's parked
right here who drops a kid off and he
has to run to the other side he's just
jumping over those plants probably
and it could be really nice to have
Braves in it
yeah that's good that's a great Point
yeah
um but that's gonna happen yeah they're
not going to go down to where the Bowers
are
hard I mean even if they're going up
through the Shrubbery even if there were
no trees they're still gonna go I mean
they're still going to go through
there's like really uh great opportunity
to break up that strawberry and make it
part of the landscape with flowers like
I mean
the pathways right well it does actually
it has it has one that breaks it yeah
you're right you're right you're right
but it's a it's a complete break right
it's a complete break yeah right
yeah everybody's concerned I'm not
really sure how to word that but I can I
you know we'll just say it's too bright
um to consider eliminating the trees and
the medians and
a redesign of
um no seasonal flowers and Pathways but
I'll take that to Eleanor you know yeah
and she'll put it we kind of tree in the
Olive Garden so that's a suggestion
since we're just recommending this right
and it wouldn't come back here for us to
see again correct
I think as long as between Brian as a
designer and Mia's staff can relay this
to mksk to MKS Illinois
okay so I do have a couple questions
um I tend to just a minute ago so give
you a heads up
a plan signage right I'm assuming
there's going to be some
caution sign for pedestrian Crossing in
the middle or uh yeah assuming you're
going to control the
the poll right yeah guarantee that's
going to be the case I don't see that in
this packet yeah maybe you're not there
um
if we if Karen if you would could you go
maybe go back to the plan so at that at
the CR and actually that that bird the
aerial that shows
that that's actually that's pretty
pretty strong in terms of just locating
it but uh so the main pedestrian
Crossing that crosses the street where
those bollards were occurring actually
have signalized pedestrian warning
devices in the strip
um actually they would be
um basically at the base of those
bollards okay flashing
so the sensor is there and then there
would be
um yeah like so it's it's being worked
out we're actually and I I think there's
also consideration for the addition of
stop signs which currently aren't there
right both you know currently you're not
required to stop at either of those
intersections when you're on Columbia
and I think there's investigation with
regard to to adding that and but but I
did I think signing to is clearly a
piece that needs some more development
in the package
um but the critique to date has been to
try to retain signage that's reminiscent
of uh the Bexley Park signage you know
at the ends of the islands to repeat
what's been done in other locations
versus inventing inventing new
but that would be a high level summary
of what sure no that's good um
I've done it I'd like to focusing on the
structures so if you could go to some of
the I guess few
um a couple questions I've done a bunch
of these kind of low bench
uh in a park setting you can go one more
um and a lot of times for in public
spaces we've come back and put
anti-skateboard yeah
little pegs on the benches so that they
don't come up and slide down our benches
there's not a clear run that you kind of
which is nice um
but that's more of a suggestion of
saying it's you know to help deter
because though this all paved and it
isn't that's really conducive to
skateboarding so that's one way to deter
it this is the skateboard conversation
has been a perfect little jump up and
slide Downs
um and it gets all scuffed up as you
know so just a recommendation of you
know I'm just gonna be putting some
deterrence on the end the wings of those
benches that come out
um what is there's not a ton of details
at this level
um I think it all looks great so nice
job uh on the actual
um wood connections right can you just
explain what your thinking is on that
yeah and I think so and it's going to be
yeah and actually I think can you that
we had
that the last some reference images I
think
in a packet I don't know if mksk kept
all the architectural stuff that he
shared but see a ton of big connections
yeah keep going and the elevations are
uh clear on like the kind of way the
woods are getting assembled but it's not
in the hardware so I didn't know right
you were going to celebrate the hardware
or kind of minimize so yes and so and
again you know work in progress but in
general the notion is that we're we
really want to express the steel
connections that are tying into that are
tying the structure together and really
focus on those and you can see that the
you know kind of the steel base that's
tying into what we would imagine to be
potentially a Blue Zone path that's
mimicking some of the detailing in the
landscape the secondary trellis
components that would be atop those
um kind of Outriggers would actually be
you know powder coated steel tubes
um and then you know really the thought
is that the we just have a a flat seamed
copper
copper is perfect yeah
it's great yeah well they're the
electrical outlets and stuff for people
to
plug into right it's been a you know a
great time the topic of conversation I
think I think we're landing at a place
where we're going to do electric and
um and water even sort of the notion for
you know hook up for food trucks you
know if the street gets closed of having
you know both Water and Electric in
those locations to support that kind of
you know event stuff
and is that electric light or is that a
gas light hanging
what's the right answer what would you
like to see
well I'm old school I like gas
but because but it's increasingly
controversial
because it's not green yeah
there's an argument there
I
I'd like to go back to the the metal
Fabrications I understand the aesthetic
but
in terms of you know the green and the
trees and celebrating the trees
does it ever
come across to you that that's kind of
contrary to the sort of natural look
that you know you're in a park setting
why industrialize it if you're in a park
setting I mean the Pavilion down at
Jeffrey Park is just wood there's no
celebration of metal details it feels
very Urban when you do that and what I'm
afraid of is that you know we're with a
lot of the things that I'm seeing you
know that there's a there could be a
tendency to move to more of an urban
look and feel which is not what we're
where we are so I I would think about
maybe even using you know wood pegs yeah
and I mean any anywhere where we need
steel we could certainly you know hide
it with you know bayonet kind of
detailing and plug the holes with you
know with pegs yeah yeah I mean if they
were hidden but I just like the natural
you know connections that's my opinion
now that it's been brought up no I think
that's why I asked I think there's you
know the elevation shows us the the
steel plate and then there's some
multiple locations but I didn't know if
it was going to be like black plates or
if they were going to go yeah but I
would actually recommend also the kind
of a natural connection I think that's
there's an Artistry there that didn't
really yeah more of a Timber a
traditional timber frame type of feel to
it it's nice my inclination my
preference I just need perfect made
constituents to encourage such
so what do you do with the base of the
of the peers then because you've got
you're gonna have water and snow and
yeah I mean often we've done this before
where those same connections are
actually sliced into the timber so that
it's an internal connection that then
can get plugged with
um
with pegs so you don't see any of the
steel and then does the wood actually
get held up from the stone or a little
bit a little bit yeah
but there are ways I could imagine that
there's a blue stone cap that maybe
there's a Sandstone uh foot oh yeah
that's that a lot that you know makes up
that difference from a fabrication yeah
beautiful
I guess all my comments have to do with
making it feel more park-like sure
it's good and overall a question related
to the street and this is more in
general is is the residents on the
street
been part of all these conversations and
understand fully what this is because it
it uh it's a it's a big change if you
drive down the street every day going
home
it may not impede much of your driving
through but I'm assuming this is going
to get crowded a lot it's going to be
used a lot because it's such a nice
thing and I I think you know with some
of the um
resident you know input that we've had
those topics come up right in particular
you know Furnishings like you know some
of the referenced images of you know are
they gonna stay there are they gonna
walk away you know and sure and uh but I
think you know so far the critique from
the team uh with with the city has
suggested that in other places in the
city where you've used some of those
things that they've been fairly secure
but there is the reality the reality
that seasonally some of that stuff will
get picked up and get stored
and you would be like talking about like
the if we did a copper light or
something that that could be
stolen is that what um and yeah probably
Karen you just go back and the picture's
worth a thousand words if you go to the
little uh kind of the page with the
little bistro tables
um the back one you just you were just
there thanks I think 24. yes some of
these pieces right where Adirondack
chairs that may sit in the lawn to the
little bistro tables
um you know and and even to the extent
that I think
um you know the mayor and mksk have
identified some table types that mksk
has used in other parks that are a
little bit more durable and and uh but I
I think that that's a that's a piece
that's in the works uh but a lot a lot
of you know kind of neighbor input with
regard to how that gets managed and
you know managing the attractive
nuisance of
having the furnishings
Suzanne can I ask you a question yeah go
ahead
when I look at the plan
um
that shows it's this one Karen
you know the overhead kind of thing so
you have created a very very inviting
Plaza for people to walk through and
enjoy
and I know they have the are they called
stanchions is what they are called the
these yeah um bollards okay
I I recognize that and I understand now
you're going to do some some kind of
lighting there so that is a little
reassuring but
I'm not a fan of the fact that the road
material changes to plasma material
and I think it was beautiful for when
you're having events
but
I I can't imagine
paying attention to this and not walking
into the street
and it is a regularly used residential
street correct I don't know that
neighborhood that well I don't know how
much is up there
maybe it's immaterial but
I can I I can really see folks just
walking into that with a car coming and
the fact that there's
um
maybe lighting will help
uh it just does not seem safe to me I
you you brought it up when you were
talking about Main Street and the folks
going into those areas and then Crossing
and this to me is worse because there's
no change in it doesn't look like a
street at all if you're walking across
there now I'm not saying I know that
that would be a huge change to the
design and I love the plaza look but it
is not a plaza it is a road
and you've turned it into a plaza where
folks are going to walk out and get hit
by a car
and you know we're seeing that and
planning like um I mean this is
in a similar
ilk right there there have been several
instances where
um
some uh trains have been installed in
urban areas you know and people are
getting hit and killed because they
don't really pay attention
it's marked you can hear it coming but
there's folks don't walk out and don't
pay attention especially kids and this
is a park
so for me that's a a big concern
with signage help for the pedestrians
not for their cars but for the
pedestrians because when I look at this
the color differentiation I'm sure mksk
thought about this in terms of
when if am I if I'm driving on the
street and I see this row of white
bricks in front of me it's like a
crosswalk
the coloration until the neighbors get
used to it
and they're driving by every day
so every day so in the line where the
bollards are I mean it's you're
the bollards aren't enough you think
that the pedestrians should be there
should there should be more warning for
them to look both ways
obviously a stop sign would help that's
probably inevitable with this plan I
would think although interestingly
apparently they're not required but we
think it's advantageous for the things
that you're saying and I think you know
one of the things again just to you know
reiterate you know what the team has
been advocating for with their expertise
um and I appreciate the the critique uh
the you know the road widths are really
um gonna change the feel and you know
we've been out there doing some field
measuring and just you know you know
thinking and you know I've you know two
grandkids three blocks away so it's been
a lot of time in the park
um but the road widths are really
intended to be a traffic calming
component that's that really I think is
going to have a big effect on are you
saying the roads are more narrow and
also yes yeah so with the addition of
Boulevard and Karen you might there's a
there's a section if you could blow into
it I certainly can't read it from you
know from the distance but the sections
I think do a good job of depicting kind
of the reduced Road widths um you know
that really have a traffic calming
affect the I think the bollards which
are trying to control
um where the yeah like right there uh
nope maybe back one
perfect yeah yeah that that it's you
know so I think we've got
um
once you're in that Plaza once you cross
the the Ballard
you're talking one Street then you're in
a safe Zone then you're Crossing another
street with no warning
right be around yes you leave the safe
Zone
you cross the street
now you're in this big beautiful Plaza
and wandering around and there's cars
coming from both directions so
there's nothing to for that next step
right does that make sense
I think I'm following the critique
um yeah like here right you leave here
hanging out the kids are hanging out
here you cross you look both ways
nothing's coming and now you're in the
middle of the plaza you're still walking
and then before you know it you're back
in another Street before you get across
that next battle uh separation
yeah that that section right there is
probably a good one to kind of consider
you know where that transition is
attempting to force you know the
Crossing in a really deliberate location
really right right right there where
your hand is
yeah
and that's that's corresponding with
that brighter pavement
type
and then the indicators that when
somebody comes to that opening
there there's an identification that
there's pedestrian Crossing occurring
yeah I think it's a point if you squeeze
it down so much and make it such a
because
we're going to get through there and
people who live on North Columbia will
just go on Parkview yeah I think they
right and then they're around here
playing I think they'll spoil it yeah I
think those 12-foot Drive aisles are
really going to Trend and the way that
that third dimension also when you
physically are rising in a car to meet
that pedestrian Crossing you know there
there have been a few places around town
that um that they've used as examples
where they've done that and just it is
pretty dramatic when you're in a car and
you feel like you're entering a
pedestrian Zone and it's not it's not
this kind of magical mid-block Crossing
like you get in the city where it's like
gosh you know you're not at a light and
you're not at a street but there's a
Crossing there's there's one on you know
on on Third Street that between between
Broad and and gay that always troubles
me where there's you know but I think
those those mid-block Crossings are
tough so I think
it's it's good critique
but you could have signage before you
even enter the 12 foot wide you know not
at the actual Plaza but way back
where you're turning your car you're
coming into this and there's a sign it
could be a nice sign it could be a
Bexley sign that says you know not
congest not like congested area ahead
but something that's you know public
Plaza ahead or something you know
caution or I don't know I think the
issue is can you control pedestrian is
it easier to control pedestrian or is it
easier to control the vehicle I mean I
can see I could see little kids like
running through playing on these
bollards yeah running right through upon
but there's no I think to Joanne's
comment there's no striping that
indicates the road but again kids don't
follow any of that they're going to want
to hang on these bollards but if there's
if there's a stop sign before you enter
the plaza and again I know you mentioned
that's being discussed maybe at the
intersection before but to me it
it makes more sense to stop the car
before it enters the plaza agreed um on
each side and then yeah they can see the
kids coming and running through and
there's t-ball games here all the time
my kids at places Park so kids don't
care they'll just run through right
um especially with
phones and other things but you know
parents strategy so I think it's
controlling going back it's easier to
control the vehicles than it is the
people right so I I would lean towards
wanting to add a stop sign before you
enter the plaza or how about Ballers
that go up and down you know like after
9 11 we put in all those yeah security
Ballers
there yeah because I really I'm
convinced now because
if you make it brick
because I'm thinking it's a road make
sure people know it's a road and cars
are coming
but maybe a pedestrian's not going to
pay attention to that and what you're
saying is the the driver we have to make
sure the driver knows it's a different
place and then when they hit that Plaza
they know it and I think materiality
elevation they've already done all that
I think the issue is
cobbles
use like speed bumps
like Boston cobbles yeah you can see the
coloration and kind of the hinted at in
or actually it's the same Granite but
there is
um you know different finish to it so
that you get a lighter and a darker and
the darker actually has a bit more
texture to it
um a lot of details to figure out yet
but I think I think there's some
are the is that can you go up one image
to the street view of that that strip
that 12-foot strip in the rendering
there's little diamonds is that just a
brick pattern yeah uh yes it lights no
it's it's actually just a it's a bright
paver okay
I thought it was a fountain like at
Easton
LED lights that kind of like we'll say
who knows
I wish it wouldn't have been desirable
then the cars will slow down and see a
big water
the interesting critique I mean what
what are your what what are your guys
thoughts with regard to Brick the brick
curb inside and out
that's not indicated that way here right
it's indicating a granite curb on the
island how do you do that when it papers
to nothing yeah it would the pitch would
change yeah
yeah I mean I think that would be more
Bexley it'd be softer yeah I'm trying to
soften that's that that's what I want to
see happen with all of this to make it
more Bexley Park like
and again I think that Shrubbery needs
to be as low as possible because if
you're sitting in a very low car and
then shiny child is Crossing in front of
you you need to be able to see it's good
everything so I think all that
Landscaping needs to be diminished to
having nothing at that point
yeah at least like 20 feet back or 15
feet back what's the triangle it's 15
feet Vision Drive of course A different
kind of landscape right Right Flowers
low shrubs ground cover ground cover and
flowers
that's a really good point that
strawberry should not be all the way to
the plaza
Safety First there goes a three-year-old
yeah oh wow
yeah but I think this is all great and
the science I think but you know also
hearing signage is a huge piece of this
that is not solved or presented in this
package well you're going to want to
control that right 100 and steal post to
come to me when all is going to be you
know selected and and you might not want
the um
same slowed down children we have on
Cass City you know it's pretty ugly
sliding uh yeah it's necessary but it's
not attractive right the blinking is
yeah well that's necessary well in the
whole thing yeah the question is do we
is this informational are we looking for
I have no idea my guess is that we were
just looking for an approval of the
structures to move forward
architecturally so and we'll note in the
approval that
um that staff will carry the landscape
suggestion to landscape
um consultant to relate to both the
designers and to the tree of Olive
Garden
maybe the only condition is related to
the base plates on the pillars what we
were talking about the more natural look
well I think in general mksk just needs
to hear from Brian the you know the
comments that it needs to be more
natural and less Urban feeling
and like for instance even the powder
coated steel trellis I yeah can't can't
that be wood could it be wood could it
be engineered wood or something yeah
could you leave that to Karen to work
out the details yeah I would just make
it I mean honestly I would make it a
condition that that that the team the
design team look for more natural
looking details natural connection yeah
it's fine
100 Year test right it could have been
on 100 years ago and you know it could
look as good in 100 Years it'll feel
more green too yeah
and
okay so do we need to put anything to
the boat I think we should vote on the
art scheme and and our verse okay so let
me take a shot at this okay findings and
facts and decision on the board of
application oh can we do code
is there anyone in the audience that
wants to speak about this application
oh
you're right
findings in fact
before application
too honestly believing
22-70 just just 70 sorry
22-70 for the property loading unit uh
the board finds that The Hardscape and
Arbors are appropriate
um with the condition that as the design
development continues natural conditions
connections and details
um
the trellis
with the trellis the structure yeah
throughout construction
development design development it's good
and then staff makes sense to me it
makes sense to me okay as long as it
makes sense to you well I don't know but
it's good it's good to assert it to the
rest of team members and just we'll get
them out of the way and we'll have
really great looking
buildings
okay is there a board member that will
make a motion
so moved
second Scott
we'll call the roll okay Mr Scott yes
yes
Strasser says yes okay Mr higher yes
yeah so you are approved thank you very
much you guys thanks Brian
okay we're going to go back to
application number bzap 23-8 I see that
the
applicants have arrived so the address
is again 2691 East Main Street the
applicant that Sarah Montague and the
owner is Matt Davis the applicant is
Seeking a recommendation to the board of
zoning and planning for Architectural
Review and approval and a certificate of
appropriateness for a two-story addition
to the front facade and building and
site modifications
if you'd like to please if applicable
please come forward we'll swear you in
you know do you want to give any
background
um let's get them sworn in so that I can
since I'm doing everything today yep
that sounds great I can talk about the
zoning issues yeah I think this would be
Jason to give the first report awesome I
can talk about the architecture
okay are you both going to speak yeah
well
yeah that's right I would like her at
the chance
State your names Tim why
do you swear from itself
okay um I don't have a formal report
today I'm just going to kind of walk
through some of the the issues that the
bees app is going to confront that we're
you know interested in
um having you at least consider as you
think through the overall approach here
uh as you have seen in the packet this
is an existing building
um I will not Hazard a guess as to
whether you think it is a quality or not
quality architecture that is for you to
determine what it is is definitely an
artifact of a different time and uh what
the applicant has proposed is to modify
the front of that
and add a two-story addition that brings
the building out closer to the street
um
the addition would actually be more in
conformance with what we typically
consider to be our design guidelines
with regard to citing uh that being said
is removing some uh limited and not
particularly well established now open
space but it is open space at the front
of this building again that's not
typically something that our zoning code
speaks to uh we really are more
encouraging of a facade of uh
streetscape pedestrian scale buildings
that uh that link the street together so
from zoning perspective that isn't a
specific concern that being said I'll
bring up one one thing at the end when
we get to the parking portion
um overall uh as you know we've taken a
number of the guidelines and we've
codified those and going through the
codified guidelines uh they seem to be
in conformance with all of those that
doesn't speak at all to the your
interpretation of the architecture which
is why we're here today but just from a
pure zoning standpoint there aren't any
variances that we note that would be
required they have calculated
specifically on this site their parking
they actually did forgot one thing that
gives them a little bit of a break there
there's actually another two space
reduction for having rear alley access
so they are currently providing eight uh
they're providing 18 spaces and they're
required to have actually 16 spaces
based on uh Arc calculations which could
um allow them potentially and I'm not
saying this has to be decided now today
but certainly the tree and public garden
commission maybe maybe have some
interest in ways that they could
potentially soften the site a little bit
more around the edges just because it's
really a paved edged Edge site which is
not the condition of this applicant
created it's already been like that for
quite some time
um but really they're I mean it's just
it's just 100 paved a lot other than the
front right now and the building surface
so you know again we don't need to get
into all those details today but there
might be some opportunity to um you know
perhaps add little more softening there
is one spot that could and in the Korean
public garden commission I'll deal with
this be um it's a little difficult to
interpret in the code as to whether or
not this meets it or not and that is
typically we have screening along the
main street for any parking areas so
technically that would require some kind
of low wall to be extended
um to what you see on there is the right
of that that being said right now that's
the location of a handicapped space so
and there's an off-ramp from their front
of the building so it could get a little
difficult to do that based on
architecture that again just wanted to
bring it up is something that's sort of
a gray area right now on whether they're
meeting the overall
conditions of the zoning code but other
than that we don't see any problems with
it from a zoning perspective and I'm
happy to answer any questions with
regard to that but I'm really more here
to take your comments and obviously
Karen well too back to the um back to
the bees app if there's anything
specifically concerning to you with
regard to site planning or circulation
or anything like that
I have a question in terms of green you
know or softening does the zoning code
allow for uh Terraces that are green you
know in other words like a roof Terrace
or anything like that does not speak to
it okay
is silent
um I'll speak just for I'm really
getting into over to you to do a
presentation to do your presentation
there's a nice deck that um that you all
have seen
um I hope this is the most recent one I
believe so I think so thank you
um but I'll just give you a little bit
of background we have been um meeting
for a while on this project it's been a
really nice deliberate process with a
lot of thoughtful
um development to try to
pay homage to the building which you
know as Jason said
is significant in some kind of way on on
that street in in that location
um
the
I don't really want to talk about the
architecture there's another way you
presented and if
we can talk about it if you want so but
you can talk about it if you want yeah
let's make sure that the board is aware
of how much interactive design
opportunity there has been that you all
have provided in the city so it's been a
really great process this is not the
first time the first time before you
this is for a recommendation to the
board of zoning and planning at which
time all the issues that Jason touched
on will really be hammered out
um so what we're looking for here is a
recommendation to be Saturday
um if you want me to go to the beginning
and you'll just do is this is the deck
that you want to walk through
um sure yeah I think so yeah you just
direct me what you'd like to do sure so
um
um good evening everyone
um my name is Tim lai with Team
lyogotech
um this is
um a
um cohatch projects that we
have the you know the honor to serve
this client many times around Columbus
site you I know you have seen a cohatch
around Columbus I believe we have
um we have a that is open and then we
have one in Westerville that is under
construction this will be the 10th
location in around central Ohio
um so kohatur's a co-working space that
has obviously a private office
co-working spaces a lot of meetings room
um and they are
um kind of famously open
um their space for free for for any
non-profit and a local neighborhood
organization if they want to have
meetings and things like that there so
they're really proud of their kind of
community
um kind of aspect of their of their
mission
um so when we when when
um this building was being identified as
one of the potential location
um you know we're debating whether we
should kind of take down a building and
kind of start over at one point and uh
because you know the building is
interest interesting for sure but also
it's not really necessarily well built
it's built in in the 60 I think is it
64. uh it's just a really bad bone you
know eight inch concrete block you know
structure uh with a you know four inch
Limestone Mosaic veneer Limestone veneer
over there's no insulation there's no
waterproofing there's nothing uh there
um and and so we're like yeah do we
really want to do that and and uh but
then I think one of the one of the
things that we that cohes really kind of
proud of as as a company as is that they
they always like to go into your
neighborhood and actually you know look
at a building that is underused and
actually try to renovate it and and to
preserve it to some degree
um so we it's not instead of like coming
in and it's just like take down
everything and just start from from from
zero
um you know they really like to find a
way to tie to the history and the the
local kind of the contacts and the
fabric uh if possible so
so we founded a kind of an interesting
challenge because we because the
building is not big enough in terms of
the square footage I think we have a
little bit less than 8 000 square feet
we really need to be at least 12.
thousand square feet uh for it to be
like you know to work as a as a space as
a as the business and so you know we we
were you know trying to basically create
an addition and you know fortunately we
found out that zoning code you know the
the setback is basically there's no
setback requirement for for the front uh
fronting you know Main Street and so we
basically just took the building as much
as we can and part of it also because
you know right now the building is set
back about 30 feet or so from the street
and it's like like some of the building
actually next next door on on both sides
of us and it's not really engaging the
street you know as much it's kind of
like an unused space in front of it like
a plaza space in front of it it's not
really active you don't know what to do
with it so we feel like oh that's a
great way to really add that square
footage in the front and at the same
time kind of create a new face
um for for the building as you can see
the building is a mid-century modern
style
half of the building if you look at the
street front it's one of those building
that is like you know they have some
glass but the glass is not really in the
right place because like when you look
at the building like how this solid wall
right solid stone wall
and so there's no way no they ought to
have it actually is an interesting kind
of uh uh a unit uh block screen
um
which is facing north
um so that's already too much from a
screening standpoint and then this and
then behind it is actually all glass
storefront but that particular space is
only like an eight foot wide kind of
like a Lobby space that nobody use I
don't know if you guys been into into
this building but um but anyway so you
know it's interesting but it's not very
usable it doesn't really it's not
functional
um which is ironic as a modern building
um so when we enter the building we want
to obviously make it you know usable so
we basically add a two-story building
and also right now the building is
actually one and a half story tall
meaning you go in and you go have a
story down to like on a kind of like a
half basement and then you go up half a
story to the Upper Floor so so it's it's
not 80 accessible it's you know it's
really hard to use it's really dark so
when we add the building we obviously do
the do the logical kind of sensible
where is this we start with the first
floor at you know at that the at the
level where actually that front door is
that you see and then we go another
floor so when you look at the addition
obviously you can see we are a bit
taller than what they have now
um so that's one thing that's the first
thing
um but at the same time yeah so this is
a good diagram Karen so so this kind of
shows some of the proportion when we
started looking at the the the massing
of the building so we're we are very
much encouraged by you know Karen and
and the city to to Really create some a
building uh addition that is actually
more open more transparent so that it's
really celebrate what's going on inside
the building instead of like a you know
a more solid wall you know with small
Windows kind of thing so so you know so
we're like okay well let's try to create
a more transparent
um you know kind of facade facing the
street
um and yeah so that that kind of shows
that um structural kind of um kind of
concept um for for the addition so you
can kind of see that but the way that we
articulate the facade is that we kind of
try to kick the first of all the
transparency of the facade actually help
in a way to preserve the um the old the
oversaw so you can kind of see in this
view here you can look through a
building and you can see the Old Brick
the stone wall behind it right so in a
way you kind of preserve it even even
though you're building right in front of
it so the idea that structure actually
where we have a separate structure in
front of the building
um that is not you know I mean part is
because it's out of necessity
um we are adding quite a bit of weight
and that wall that that we have right
now is not gonna hold so we will have to
have a basically separate structure
right in front of the all the existing
front wall of the structure right there
um so so we do the two story
um and then we use the we use the window
the narrow Windows of the existing
building that is about three feet wide
right now on the on the old side of the
building or the existing side building
and actually use it and create
um a solid wall based basically a a
pilot store or like a you know a a space
between the between the windows so so
instead of a window that is three feet
narrow it it becomes the solid and then
the rest is actually glass
um so it's just you know basically open
it up quite a bit
um for the facade
um and and then and so the facade has
this kind of very open but then at the
same time it's it's not all glass
obviously
um so which allows that to create a very
interesting and dynamic composition uh
with that big window opening um that you
know that actually follow the structural
Grid in terms of where the solid wall is
but it have a little bit of movement
um on each side of the of the grid line
of the column grid line to kind of
create this
um not completely stacked you know um
window composition
um
and then in terms of the cladding of the
of the of the main cladding material you
know we we again we want to bring the
the old building into the new edition so
instead of doing a rough kind of Mosaic
veneer Limestone we we kind of go with a
a smooth you know Limestone so this is
what you see here it's I mean Limestone
obviously it's it's been used around you
know Ohio and especially and also in
back sleep you know downtown's alone
historic building that used Limestone
and so we feel like we want to you know
use that material uh in a modern way
um so in a way to kind of you know tie
it back you know to the building but
also you know in a bigger context you
know to the rest of uh of the downtown
Baxley even though this is kind of
towards the edge of back sleep if you
will
um and then the other things that we uh
thought about was
um and this this particular video really
looking at the the transition and I
think that's probably Karen's idea to be
basically do not have the new and
they're all kind of butt against each
other so it so we kind of create a three
three feet kind of Gap in the way out of
glass and and metal panels to kind of
separate the two the the old the old uh
the existing part of the building with
the uh with the with that with that
little you know gasket if you will
um
and then in terms of the um the rest of
it so obviously you what you see here is
in the front has a very kind of
expressive structure if you will
um and and it it really out of a few
different reasons one one of the things
that when we create a you know
um
you know again the all the existing
facade even though it's very you know
solid you know facade it actually have
an interesting depth you know you have a
solid wall and then you have a screen
that is transparent and then you the
storefront kind of resets back a few
feet and so for when we create this new
facade and New Edition we want to kind
of create a similar things except that
this time we want to really kind of
activate and actually make it do more
things so you know by creating this
um kind of a three-dimensional uh almost
like a scaffolding structure of your
framework uh uh you know a structural
steel frame in front of it it achieve a
few things
um you know first of all you know it
kind of create this uh kind of you know
depth of the you know of the building so
it's not simply just a flat you know
front of the building
um so it kind of create a lot of these
shadows and and depth and details and uh
and all that effects that kind of create
visual interest on the street
um and and then obviously the the
byproduct of it is that is that it
create it also create a structure for
that allow us to create a balcony Above
So part of the thing that we just talked
about is that we don't really have a lot
of greenery because the site is very
tight and it's just very very small and
so we want to create we want to find
creative way to create outdoor space for
for the projects that actually is
activating the street front at the same
time so so the balcony obviously is
going to be a little bit higher up but
then it allowed to have some activities
on the on the building on the second
floor
um and then and the lower floor where
the entries is you know it creates kind
of like a cover walkway because of that
so it created a welcoming kind of
experience for people to come in you
know go under the RAM and go you know go
into the entry
um and uh you know and then you know
obviously the the whole idea is really
to kind of move the building closer to
the street front to kind of engage that
um you know for for for
um to create a more uh pedestrian friend
experience in terms of the finish of the
steel so this is something that you know
we want to kind of uh show you guys
um so we've been you know I mean I'm
sure you heard about Colton
um still
um with this kind of rusted colors and
you know we you know we are actually
interested in using core 10 still but
then we don't want to rust it
so one of the reasons well okay so if
you use steel on exteriors you probably
know you have to paint it you have to
you know you have to code it with
something so they won't rust right now
the problem with that is even if you
have a powder coated steel what you'll
notice is that over time you know that
coding it's gonna fail and unless you
have to keep you know maintain it like
in a very uh very that you know a
diligent way
um and and so so we're like okay
if we want if we use the Real Steel and
you know we we can do that we can paint
the whole thing but then it would be a
solid color but it would be more
probably more interesting and also
create a more natural appearance if we
actually use a a 410 steel that has this
kind of miles you know the mild steel
the hot row steel have the streak you
know within kind of a natural you know
finish that with the texture but then we
put a a clear coat as an industrial gray
uh clear coat on that is designed to
call metal
um on it so that you have this kind of a
metallic you know natural metallic gray
uh finish on the on the on the Steel
part now the steel is only very skinny
so it's not a big area obviously but
um but it would create an interesting
finish that kind of complement the
Natural Stone in some way
um so that's kind of the initial ideas
that's why in in some of the rendering
you see some of these um
you see some of his texture on the on
the steel that that you normally don't
see um so that that's kind of the unique
thing
um however
um you know we we were also
you know considering you know you know
whether
um you know material costs and
everything and so so we definitely so so
in other kind of almost like a backup
you know
um approach and more conventional
probably would basically be coding a you
know a kind of metallic paint colors
that you know that is solid it's not so
it doesn't have that natural
um material and so um so
so that's kind of where we're at we
don't know exactly which we're going to
go to be honest
um right now it it kind of depends on
the cost to that
um we we are we're trying to still
getting you know getting the the price
and you know make sure that you know
it's it's within the budgets and
everything so so I guess you know that's
something that I don't I want to hear
from you guys about how you feel about
if you say oh you know that still looks
awful over a lot and okay well then at
least we know but
um but I think it's an interesting and
unique kind of analog characters to them
you know to the building and if we can't
do it you can always paint them
yeah okay
sometimes when you add to it um because
I think Jason mentioned that you know uh
we we actually try many different ways
to soften the site and the building
itself including the addition so you can
see that you know both the website and
then the East Side you can see at least
a strip of green uh plants you know our
size is really tight you know the
building is situated right on the
property line especially on the east
side so on the east side in the new
edition you know we are not even able to
open any you know windows and openings
on the new edition site so you can see
that it's a solid wall so camera maybe
you can you know um put I think it's a
later page that you can see the green
wall that we are trying to present uh
the idea
uh one maybe one little more page
keep going
yes this page so you can see that on you
know the new edition the two-story New
Edition on the east side you know
because of the building code and the
fire uh you know requirement you know we
are not able to open
um any windows and you know doorway so
we are present we are proposing to have
a green wall on that side to just to
enliven the you know the street front
knowing that because we push out a new
addition to the front you know we will
be very visible and we still want the
streetscape to be very welcoming so you
know this is uh you know we we are doing
our best to you know to uh to forget
right and care if you actually go to the
elevation the 2D uh black and white line
drawing elevation
um so uh the other one the other page no
keeps going down one more yeah this one
so you see that that Co there so that's
actually the you know the cohes logo and
so that this really to create a uh a
mesh uh in that shape to let the you
know let the IV to grow on that to
create a Greenery kind of Graphics you
know on that wall I mean that's at least
that's that's the the idea so they'll
turn back into that shape right exactly
yeah
it's probably worth interesting having
you give your comments to vzap on that
as to whether or not you would consider
that a sign because that influences the
interpretation of the code
right yeah exactly so I want to get some
feedback
right
um the idea I mean
cannot have any
like the idea of having some kind of a
mural or we were thinking about our
signage but your point is
so if it was pain it'd be a sign so not
necessarily yeah if it's considered to
be more of a artistic representation
it's a gray area between I I would argue
that in this case it's a little it's the
reputation of their logo so it is a sign
so and to me it would be if it's a plant
or a pain it's still a sign so I would
lean towards not doing that uh plus I
think your rendering doesn't do justice
because I know you're trying to give the
effect of that but it's the it's the
most random your design of the
architecture is so like very deliberate
and precise which I that we'll actually
really like it's it's uh it's very well
done
um and then there's the ID graphic which
doesn't fit so I was very curious of why
and then I saw the CEOs but I understand
that why you have that so that it's very
clear thank you but uh I would lean
towards that being a sign and and
something that uh if it was a green wall
I would much more see it I'd rather see
it more into the the way you've
organized your the existing thin
openings and then you flip that and made
those the solids
um and maybe that pattern continues or
it was much more deliberately kind of
based on the first floor or something
that was more into that orthographic
Channel or not the orthographic video
um orthogonal kind of rate system that
you're pulling from so that would fit
more of what you're doing on everything
else for me uh and and I would probably
not support the big Co I've seen in
addition there's no guarantee that the
green will be there we have Walgreens
with this nice
metal uh grid system and there's nothing
on it the Ivy's been gone
so we would have a CO mesh maybe instead
of plants so it's another reason just to
avoid the co pieces we really did not
spend a lot of time but I mean no I just
really did we kind of Hit the minor
thing right we finished on that so I
personally love the CEO I love that idea
um you know in Interiors now we are
doing all these green Walls and
considering it are putting logos in it
you know Brutus Buckeye running and we
do it in Moss and it takes a little bit
of work to keep them up but it's part of
that biophilia thing that everybody's
going for to take your logo and just
paint it on there I don't think it's
anywhere near as sophisticated as doing
it into
um Greenery that you're
and even just the structure up there the
same way as the
um
the garden down by
um what's it called without the
structures that they trimmed all the out
of it it's the
famous painting down by the library oh
yeah um
and they have all that
the name of it but
um those structures that were put up
before all the greenery grew into them
were very beautiful and so I think if
you do it in a structure if it's there
and as The Greenery grows and it builds
in I think it will it's like Living Art
I love it
I mean you could also
you were talking about the Mosaic of the
existing Limestone panels and you could
do a natural version of that that was on
the new building
so you'd have a mosaic of green that
would flower or do things that would be
a natural mosaic
and maybe a grid you know maybe their
actual
tears of green that extend onto the new
part that are like the Mosaic of the
stone but now they're natural now
they're green
I'm sorry I'm not a follower dude
so on the existing
no on the new wall okay the existing
wall has Limestone right that you
described as Mosaic yeah I'm saying that
on the new wall adjacent you could do a
mosaic that is green
I was saying that it's green
the metal won't form a grid system that
looks like the stone I'm saying that the
natural growth of whatever plants you
choose would form the mosaic
in vertical in some kind of vertical
pattern on that wall it's just an idea
it's more of an installation right
instead of a natural growth that you're
going to do it would be controlled as a
mosaic greens right
um
I
at the coming back
you know if you guys want to see a final
design but I also want to make sure we
cover the building yeah sure yeah and
you could either I mean that was my
second I was going to be a segue into
I mean
if it's okay I'd just like to
um talk about the design of the building
which I'm fine with I I I like it I like
the regulation and the way you've set up
the uh the grid system
but my concern is the materials and in
50 years a limestone veneer like this
uh is not going to be complementary it's
not going to be flattering for this
building
so is there another material even a
composite or something that is a ceramic
or something that is more durable in
terms of resisting
the dirt the pollution because all these
Limestone panels as beautiful as you
have them rendered over time are going
to all look very different
and on top of that you don't want the
green growing into your Limestone
because it will spall and Limestone will
actually get pitted and it will fall
apart
so a ceramic product or you could do
what they did at the Knowlton School of
Architecture which is way out of your
budget is to use a granite or a marble
but it's going to weather much better
than Limestone limestone is a terrible
material for
um this kind of smooth facade that
you're proposing as much as the
rendering looks beautiful in 50 years
it's not going to look like this at all
the grout joints are going to have the
money that would be spent to talk point
this facade would be astronomical and
the corner joints and the soffit
underneath where you have the overhang
which should be a different material the
Limestone will not hold up I work with
limestone a lot and I can tell you that
the quarries today even the quality of
limestone that we're finding
does not hold up and the Masons don't
know how to work with it because you get
a honed finish and what happens is it
gets dirty over time and what do people
do they they do a high pressure wash and
it takes away what we call Bark
Limestone has a natural
um Quality when you cut it out of the
Quarry where it builds a seal coat it's
a natural steel coat that's that nature
builds into it and once you power wash
it or you sandblast it which is what
they used to do in the 70s you take away
that natural coating and now it's
absorbing water and pollution and it
gets destroyed
so I would consider even uh some kind of
um
uh you know I mean a ceramic would be
would be nice or like like a porcelain
type yeah of course a porcelain or even
I mean I hate to say brick but you know
they did brick on the Ohio State Bank at
the entry to Bexley which is a which is
which has a natural
coat and it's painted on top of that
but Limestone as much as the Mosaic
Stone that's existing is is nice this
kind of modern look with limestone is
again over time it's going to it's not
going to look like this and I worry
about that especially
like your round window at the bottom of
that round window you're going to have
all kinds of deterioration and staining
and we don't want to look like you know
some of the Bauhaus buildings that were
never restored right they they look
terrible over time so you can avoid that
by choosing a material that has a
glazing on it
Limestone naturally wants to breathe but
you what you really want for this kind
of look in my opinion is a glazed
material which I would be fine with the
other thing two other things the steel
if you can tell me that it's not going
to rust that it will never rust
that the connections will never rust
then I would be fine but I I doubt that
that's the case in 50 years those bolt
connections and or those rivets or
whatever is going to be used they're
going to rust and I worry about that I I
might even consider doing this in an
engineered wood
you know you want a natural look to the
you could build the peers in a in a
reinforced engineered wood instead of
Steel and you would have more longevity
in terms of the look of the wood it
would weather well
um same thing with the railings if it's
not stainless you're going to have runs
and streaking and all kinds of issues
um but I'd love to see that balcony a
green balcony you know that the where we
don't live far enough South but I could
see Wisteria you know climbing all over
this it'd be lovely as a as a as a
balcony but the concrete also at the
base you're showing it all clean and
pristine where your steps are and the
ramp is but we know here in Bexley and
here in central Ohio Concrete never
stays beautiful
it just doesn't you have to paint it
they even painted it on the Ohio State
Bank the building you know at the entry
to Bexley because it just won't it won't
hold up its pristine look over time so I
would consider doing another material
there as well
again a glazed surface is going to be
better for having that pristine modern
look
stand the test of time
can we go to the site plan the first
second page two just start there
uh and I'm I'm sure this doesn't look
like it's fully resolved um
but the exit on the west side that goes
into looks like a parking space it's
stairs coming down yes uh and then if
you could go to 12 maybe or 13 14 shows
the rendering of that stair so keep
going there's a XT that goes around the
building one more
right there so that entry in the stairs
looks like it's kind of dumping right
out into the parking spot is what it
really looks like and you have the in
your site plan you have that thin strip
to the left of that
parking spot uh or right of the one
that's actually a parking spot that is
hatched uh striped maybe that's going to
be a Ada spot which is great
I would recommend that that
not that area that that step is coming
down to is where you actually build up
that first step is much more of a
platform that you would step up on and
then into the building so it's not
something that somebody will might Park
a motorcycle in front of or it just
feels like that's those steps are
dumping right into a parking space yes
it's not supposed to be but I hear what
you're saying yeah yeah I mean if you
just I mean if you just yeah it makes
sense yeah that makes sense right there
yeah that that doesn't work for me and I
think if you just took that one step and
expanded it and made it a rectangle as
almost that parking space and then
you're almost walking up onto a sidewalk
and then stepping one step into the
building
um would work much more successfully
than this these steps down into a semi
spot
um yeah
um which so yeah the site plan that use
we have in that package that it may not
be the latest one I don't know which
Karen did you see another file that is
just the site plan
um yeah this one
so I think it's similar and as far as
the way that works yeah yeah it's still
it's still kind of dumping into this
what looks like a striped spot so if
someone may pull and be like oh whoops I
can't park here yeah I think well you're
also uh pointing out is that um if we
could turn that in some way because it
came out further there would be less
conflict with the car just to the South
right yeah so I was parked instead of
having that first step up that you have
take that step and expand it and make it
a platform that you would step on almost
like a curb like a sidewalk and then you
walk over instead of like 12 inches just
like four feet or so it goes up the
whole spot nine feet long I feel the
whole spot just about right so then you
can you can articulate that that could
be something that's the architectural
element but uh for some Greenery maybe
but I think the issue is I think the
steps into the right down into the
asphalt is a mistake okay that makes
sense so it might be confusing yeah yeah
yeah I see I see I see okay that's
that's a fair step yeah
is this building the height of what we
are asking the buildings to be on
Main Street it's supposed to be a
minimum of two stories yeah a minimum of
two stores yeah
but most of them like we we forced the
bank to go to three stories uh we
encourage them to do that in that
location yeah yeah right and the reason
why I do one story when when the Main
Street guidelines two committee met we
we talked about breaking Main Street
into several segments of requirements
for Heights and the Zone around Drexel
and Parkview and all that was pushing to
three right sometimes even four in the
discussions but as you work your way
East it naturally the discussion at
first was let's make it all but then it
got modified the two stories was better
at that end of the street yeah and this
is at the edge of Bexley yeah it's it's
fine yeah and the code doesn't really
speak to whether that's better or not
but um certainly it's it's within the
parameters of what the code recommends
so
so I'm going to back up again uh
fantastic submittal thank you very much
it's uh very thorough and it is all of
the renderings are
amazingly helpful uh when I first saw
this it reminded me of the uh joint uh
safety administration building on Broad
Street that had an addition that bbco
did uh where they built this steel
structure off the facade and they light
it up at night and I dropped by it all
the time and I'm and I'm always just so
enamored with the kind of the kind of
investment they put into to allow that
side of the building is what they really
uh improved connection to the parking
lot so uh and this is obviously a very
different sighted building uh scale of
building uh but I like this deal and I
agree with making sure uh Mr Hyde talked
about all these longevity materials and
I know
um I'm familiar with your work and I've
seen a lot of the other projects from
cohortion uh you know they're very it's
quality materials it's you know you're
you're really trying to balance you know
architectural design and and
the renovation of these existing
properties uh with uh with long
longevity materials but I think
Limestone comments are Justified here on
Main Street I'm less concerned about
steel because I think that's maintenance
um and I think you can be honest with
good maintenance just like the The Ivy
growing into a CO on the side of the
building if it's not maintained it falls
apart nothing works so uh I like the
design I like the act the the activation
of the brain the building out to the
street I I feel to me actually it feels
a little short it wants to go a little
more vertical uh based on the proportion
of the existing building but I think
that's because of the existing building
is kind of a story and a half I like the
way you've broken it and
um you know maybe with working with
Karen on the glass kind of three foot
Zone I think that's very successful I
really like the way you've inverted the
openings on the existing to solid versus
the new I think that's very clever uh
and I think it's it's not 100 held where
you're at the door you've kind of pulled
it in but it's if you're following a
system which I'm I very much appreciate
in architectural design
the one comment I have is the second
floor balcony what's the depth I didn't
look real quick is it like five feet
wide it's at least five feet I would say
yes so I think you know this you have
you know in your renderings two little
chairs and looking to the to the West uh
which is very very cool
um it's gonna be probably populated with
more furniture than just two not gonna
spend all that money for just two chairs
right right so I'm assuming it's Cafe
tables to be able to have two seats with
a little desk or workstation maybe it's
a you have enough room for another
running counter along the front but I'm
guessing that's probably not it it's
more something that's a little bit more
flexible yes yeah you're right yeah we
we actually plan to have more counter
space along that long edge of it so it
would still be like a kind of like a
boss seating okay it's not going to be
like a lounging type Cafe sitting type
of more like a a bar seating so my
question to the point is if this was a
bar
and this was the second floor Terrace
right in the end that could turn into
that right in 20 years 15 years this
could be and there could be you know
second floor balcony again it's a nice
way to activate Main Street
um it's it's different uh I do also like
that there's a way to Green up this even
more I think that would be great but
um I get it
um so I don't have any real criticisms
other than what's already been stated on
the building design I think it's very
strong I think it's it's it's it's it's
it's definitely different than the kind
of traditional Bexley architecture but I
think we we go down we don't mandate
design here but we or Aesthetics but we
quality so it's it's really about
getting the quality and I'm pretty
confident that you're going to continue
to work and then we're going to continue
to see the quality
um in the details in in the materials
and and how these things are executed so
uh overall uh Jason related to the move
and some of the things they're doing on
the site plan I think that we are we do
have a very tight site uh they're really
kind of packing a lot of parking I'm a
little concerned if you could go back to
the second page on the site plan there
is a question I had about the is there a
fence that's running between the parking
spaces on the
um the long strip of parking to
between 8 9 and 10 and 11 12 and 13 is
there is that a fence or no no there's a
bunch of circles I don't know what was
that
yeah those are actually right now we
have a a two foot kind of graveling uh
that we're gonna take out okay we're
just gonna do the the wheel stop
basically to keep the car from running
to into each other so I think continuing
to look for opportunities for Greenery
to soften this the overall landscape of
the site so
um you know is that if definitely going
to help the building and I don't think
it's
you know a lot of building Greenery a
facade material I think there's some
dangers with that and you know if it's
not maintained it doesn't actually
doesn't look good at all so I think
being very strategic as you are so far
in your in your green moments and allow
that to kind of soften that but also
play with your architectural design uh I
think will be the most successful but
other than that okay my comments
especially would you mind passing the
materials up to the table so we could
take a closer look
yeah just that one and the limestone
thank you
I'm not familiar with the wired net and
how that holds up and what that looks
like over time if you have any
experience if you use this wire net
material before and what does it look
like after a couple of years this that's
the one piece that I have I'm having
trouble relating to
um it's because
you know can't frankly for me it makes
me think of you know chicken wire and uh
it I'm having a trouble placing it in
our community I guess the rest of it I'm
all all four but having trouble with
that I see so so the reason why we
picked that first of all that is a
bigger
um it's not a chicken wire at all
exactly quite big they're about four and
a half inch wide by two and a half inch
tall like that little uh almond shape
um and the way that it it works is that
they have these uh little
um I have that picture up yeah yeah so
you know exactly so um so they are
actually stainless steel raw so they are
actually weed uh stainless rope okay uh
to us so it obviously is it's not gonna
rust itself okay it's not it'll last
forever now the reason why we did that
in the first place original because the
thing about railing right so
um you know we could have done just like
vertical yeah you know uh I like the
transparency right exactly so we wanted
something that was shot in the building
but not glass yeah we don't want to use
glass because it's hard to keep it clean
and and the idea of that is really that
it's gonna disappear like that's the
whole idea is that you don't really see
that and unless you get really close to
it right so that's kind of the idea of
that of that material thank you for that
explanation it might be an opportunity
too for trailings off plants yeah the
same thing can use for for the green
wall exactly we're going to use the same
thing but we want
I had a question about the back of the
building
um
it looks like you're painting it and
just kind of cleaning it up a little bit
but I wondered if that entrance gets
used a lot but what it wouldn't be nice
to have some of that steel that you did
in the front kind of create some kind of
uh cover over the back so that as you're
coming and going through that back door
that maybe you've got a minute that you
can stand while you're using your key
card or whatever and just add some
little element to the back of the
building right right
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um
that's a good point
um the back I would say
um
it probably will be used
um for the parking at the back people
park at the back there
um we anticipate that actually that a
lot of people are going to be using the
street parking because we calculated
that there's no no one parking on the
street right now like if you go down
there during the day I mean we counted
about like 30 parking space just within
like three minutes walk so so we
anticipate a lot of people are going to
come in the front the back side
um
you know we we can definitely you know
look at if we can edit Awning or
something you know to the back which
obviously is a back facing alley you
know we try to keep it simple and just
you know economical put it faces South
and so you don't want to inhibit the sun
you know pouring into the vestibule
either right right yeah that's that is
true so you know I mean that's a good
point I mean we might think about having
some awning
um add to the back probably the the
window system is aluminum
the new one yes yeah and
um so yeah again with weathering I know
you're putting us is this stucco on the
back facade is it like an applied yes
right now a stucco on the CMU yes just
again be careful with your Sills okay so
that you don't have deterioration yeah I
mean
I don't know how much this plays into
the where this is supposed to go tonight
all these all this discussion where
my thought is that
yeah you're comfortable with the
Positive recommendation to be zap so we
can take it and then all those issues
okay whatever okay and there's enough
question about materials and some
details that I would recommend that it
be remanded back here for the final
design review
which I think is that that's what I
would do yeah I think that's great and
we could go on forever yeah
well it was a wonderful presentation
just wonderful presentation again on
record I would
think they have been you know this
applicant has been to work with and I
also have taken you know the opportunity
well what one of our meetings was one
enough for Arlington but I've gone to a
lot of the cohashes they're really great
and it would be good to go if you have
an opportunity to begin I think it'll be
activate the street it'll be great but I
think you know we should probably cut it
because we have another accident and
um make a motion I can read the findings
of facts
okay
the audience
within the last application okay
so I'm going to make it simple
findings in fact and decision of the
board for application number
Visa 23-8
at 2691 East Main Street
um the board recommends this application
in order to ease up with the condition
that would be remanded back to the
architecture review board for final
design review
do you understand the findings okay
okay when is the visap meeting 26 27th
yeah one of the whatever that April
April 27th week in April yeah Thursday
and so would we see it again in in May
the the May meeting the revised is
materials and things like that it will
depend on how you do with these apps
yeah right we'll see it as soon as you
get through okay
can you can you clarify for some people
be sad what are they exactly voting for
um they have the final review for all of
the empty on Main Street with regard to
the commercial Corridor so they're
probably going to talk a lot more about
the site plan than they do about the art
they really want to talk about the
architecture at all um this that's what
this board does so they'll uh work
through some of those issues I think
though the things brought up today
particularly about the the materials and
the green wall or things that you're
going to want to consider before you
come back to this board so you can
satisfy their concerns
um that being said the Visa may make
some comments on that after we convey
those but I doubt it they'll probably
just really deal with the site plan yeah
recap of what we talked about
and Kathy will lead you through the
zoning issues experiences wouldn't it be
fair for Jason to express these up that
the board was overall very pleased with
the oh yeah for sure yeah go to every
one of their meetings as well so I will
talk about the enthusiasm and the
discussion and as much detail as they
want to hear yeah and there's that's
good suggestions on the way to kind of
arranged on this parking so in the
interim we can give you some some
discussion on that as well
okay
all right thank you I think you need a
motion to um
so moved Scott
and strawser
right Mr dresser yes
Scott yes
Mr Hyde yes yeah okay yes thank you back
then as soon as you get through these
out thank you very much can't wait to
see it
thanks everybody okay thank you Jason
our final application for tonight is
bzap23-7 the address is 784 Chelsea the
app between the Suncraft James Knox the
owner is Christy and Daniel Conway the
applicant is Seeking a recommendation to
the board of zoning and planning for
Architectural Review and approval and a
certificate of appropriateness for a one
foot three inch variance to allow an
open covered porch addition to the front
of the house
his applicant is present
we can swear you both in
hey raise your right hand state your
name James Knox
do you swear from the solvable truth and
nothing but the journey yes
okay so do you want Karen to give some
background or do you want to just
present your project I think you think
you can present it I mean to me it's a
pretty straightforward project we've
worked a lot with Suncraft
um they're very good about making the
changes that we've asked them to I've
had some feedback from board members but
also from myself I would be looking for
some
um design development which I'm happy to
work with the applicant through for
things like columns lining up
appropriately with beans and um I I
think that it was actually
um Tony who said to me something about
the steps being a little narrow which I
I agree we can but I think you should
just go ahead and give my presentation
and we can talk through any conditions
that the boy for Life want me to work
with you
okay
um like I said we're just simply putting
a a new front porch on the front facade
there uh we're extending out from the
bump out area there with the uh
gable roof we're going to extend that
follow that line forward
and put a shed roof to the left of that
um and tie in there going back to the
recessed uh house wall
and um
a couple columns in the corners there in
the front and on the adjacent uh side
to the left
and we'll be railing on the uh left
um portion of the Edition and in the
front portion uh no railings
thank you very much okay is there a
board member that has a question and
would like to go first
well I I would like to just ask a couple
questions you indicate in the plan that
you don't want any railings in that
the parts adjacent to the steps and I
see that the railing that you're showing
in the plan just stops and then there's
what's hold what's holding up the
railing at that point
uh just be uh like a newer post no post
yes
um have you ever considered
taking the steps
all three sides so you could leave the
porch on three sides I wish I had my
pointer here
but if you know you could you could wrap
that I did this on my front porch
because it didn't have that before
because on one side it just dropped off
but I realized when we redid the porch
that if I wrapped my steps all the way
around I could actually leave my front
door and go
in different directions but it also
prevented me from having a drop off so
I'm not I'm not talking about where the
railing is I'm talking about where you
say no railing to extend the steps
around and hit the Hardy Board or cement
board siding and then come around all
the way and wrap and back to that way
and then it makes sense not to have
railings because you have no drop off at
all you just have steps going down on
the three sides
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thank you that's one issue I see right
there you have to pull that out
for a part of that album yeah that's
that flower bed so the drawings don't
indicate
what's happening there I mean are the
steps you you have three steps going up
in your drawing but you're raising the
elevation of the grade at the porch
there's your three yeah you have three
steps in your elevations but the
photograph shows
one two four four five
four
uh we're tearing down the yeah so the
steps are coming out and then yeah we're
carrying it we're tearing out the
existing
yeah we are reducing there okay
you see a four inch Step at the door it
looks like you're going for seven or
eight right dropping it further okay so
yeah then on that side you would not
have much of a drop off but you know you
could you could
you could bring it or you could bring
the steps around and hit the stone wall
um and then you can just wrap it on the
other side it's just an idea I'm just
thinking of a way to extend the steps
make them larger and avoid having the
drop off
even if it's just on the left side and
not necessarily on the right side
because you have a planning bed there so
something to think about
um
if if that's not an option to you I
would recommend taking that railing King
of the plan and the railing that's
stopping at the new post and actually
just turning it into the column
or pulling it at least further in the
the fact that it stops
where it does to me seems a little odd
yeah we could certainly I think add that
little uh move the new post over you
know a few inches and wrap it and tie it
into that column there code wise you're
going to be since you're more than one
step you're going to be required to put
a railing in on your steps
this code requires after greater drop of
one step you need to have an actual
handrail so we need to make sure that
that's yeah more than two steps it needs
a handrail so you're gonna you're gonna
might have to put some sort of handle in
anyway and we're going to want to know
what that is if it's a wrought iron one
that's probably
not the right option so if you're
starting to bring in the same aesthetic
as your guard rail on your porch then
you may start expanding that railing a
little bit more to tie into that
handrail
when you say two steps more than two
steps is that it counts the decking yes
three writers should be total of three
risers that's right
three risers requires a handrail
if you have two you're okay but if you
have three three steps up requires a
handrail by code third step being the
top of the deck okay yeah
so that's something you know obviously
we don't do building code here but I
that I'm concerned that that's something
that you're going to be added we're
gonna that's you're gonna want to
continue that railing around
uh or you know alternately if you did
wrap the steps you'd only need really
one handrail you could just you could
place it wherever you wanted
non-descript right
um the the other is obviously to match
the details the house has beautiful Eve
details they're very simple
but we just got done getting our design
guidelines approved by city council and
I really encourage you to look at those
for matching you know the details of the
existing buildings that you're working
with and
um
the details that are shown in the
drawing do not match what's what's in
the actual house in terms of the way the
rakes and the and the eaves work so I
would just encourage you to work with
um Ms bokor on making sure that those
align with with the existing
and then it shows a little soffit there
at the gutter right there's a little
horizontal detail at the right but the
rig continues on an angle all the way
down right which is a it's a very
um
it's a it's a petite detail but it's
it's part and parcel to the aesthetic of
these no I think it's odds and I think
your the drawings show a little bit more
robust on the gable gable in the rake
where I think we need to it needs to
match yeah you really want to simplify
that yeah and I think that's the intent
from your drawing I think it's just not
exactly accurate you're showing a wider
rate than is really there looks like
it's a four and a half or right and then
the line the diagonal would continue to
the to the front edge of the fascia yeah
so I think that we're we're going to be
very interested in this little front
Gable that's over the porch matches
these the exact details of the house
Beyond which which in your drawing
imagine it does so I think you're there
I think you just need to be very careful
to do that in in the field oh yes well
our our crew will well try to match
everything exactly yeah they're perfect
you're not disrupting any of the
existing siding except where you're
building to the house right because
that's that existing signing has a I
think it's a metal signing with a little
cap on the corner it appears to be
mental was it a cement board
probably asbestos then yeah if it's
cement support it's probably asbestos
yeah so there is something to watch out
for but uh
so it's not I mean I think it's you know
it's it's a larger scale it kind of
um it's a it's like and I know you're
having a little bit of uh board on your
small Gable of the front porch so if you
can closely match that width I think
that would be and it looks like you're
trying to yes so I think that's smart
yeah
yeah that is definitely the intent yeah
I think you want to and that's it's a
very subtle it's not a full drop shadow
kind of lap siding it's a very subtle
look so I think if you could try to
mimic that as much as possible it would
help yes definitely
what are you doing with the
um
uh shingles are you tearing up all the
shingles in the house and doing the
whole house or are you matching the
products you're just going to match the
existing uh on the on the roof there and
that's something you can still get yes
should be able to find that
yeah just architectural shingle yeah
so the
the oh yes that will be there yeah I
wonder
yeah I just wonder if that
okay that's fine no electric work
included
I know there's already
so are you the painter
well the porch lights are you know going
to be existing there on the house and it
says they they were made there's amazing
remain there and so no new ceiling
lights in the in this porch
yeah I like can lights and with a dimmer
almost for your you know be out there in
the evening or night and be able to
control that lighting it's really nice
to have that's something that you should
think about it's not going to be
mandated by us later
yeah that's nice correct yeah
you're not touching it are you ripping
any of that you're not touching any of
that trim around the door oh no
front door
no good
so Karen you know with the design
guidelines with the Box capitals and the
alignment of the beam and it is on
the web yeah
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so what what a lot of what a lot of
framers and I'm I'm not trying to
criticize Suncraft in in any way but
what a lot of framers for porches miss
these days is that the width of the
porch that you're stepping on is a
different width than what the framing is
above you know that's actually actually
skinnier and set back a little bit from
the edge of the framing down below so
that the The Columns and the beams that
are being set in on the deck actually
have the proper alignments you know
running around
but a lot of framers will just assume
that they're going to build their Gable
with the beams at the same exact width
as the the two buys that they're running
for the deck below and that never really
works out and it's it's not traditional
so
just you know be keep that in mind as
you're working through the details with
Ms poker oh yes definitely
um we we try to tie everything in very
neatly
um we don't want our work to look like
in addition we wanted to look like it
was
from the beginning you know intentional
from the beginning great
we've been doing this uh more than 40
years and we've done many many jobs
exactly yeah
yeah I know
okay do we have findings appear yes
and decision of the board for
ease up
23-7
for 784 Chelsea
the board
recommends this application to the board
of zoning and planning for review of
approval of certificate of
appropriateness
so you will be Blended but but we did
ask them to widen the stairs yeah right
what I would say I mean if unless you
want me to spell all that out I would
say work with the design gets on and
find on to test because there's a lot
okay yeah
um so we're not asking them to come back
I'm comfortable with that that's up to
you with everyone comfortable with
working with the applicant and final
design detailing I'm comfortable with it
and I've taken
copious note
yes we'll definitely go over that with
our team and
if there's any changes that we made
they'll be uh included with the uh
permit plans the Apple permit
application okay so do you understand
the findings of act as they were red yes
okay is there a board member that will
make a motion so moved Scott second
Strasser
Ole yep
Mr Scott
yes yes
Mr higher yes
yes okay you are approved so you will
still go to bsab and then you'll be
preparing to get all your details
yeah thanks for being patient tonight
okay and after that we are adjourned